Did they go too far with the nerf? It's still really good against other players or NPC invaders, but for PvE it feels rather weak to me, and the bleed build up sucks.
>>741273469it would be fair with the previous range, but with current bleed/damage levels. Its a tier C weapon currently with the DLC stuff.,
>>741273469Yes. It was never as good as the nagakiba (all of the katanas suck compared to it) and most of the DLC stuff is far more broken than even release RoB.
>>741273469Japanese devs just can't help themselves when it comes to making their homeland weapons the most broken shit ever in their gamesI still think it's funny they made a regular ass katana longer than the LONGsword
>>741273469I tried a bleed build with a katana but I couldn't get used to not staggering opponents. It was fine I guess but it makes normal enemies feel like they can actually do damage to you, easier to just stun lock them with a greatsword
>>741273469That nerf felt really personal, but I don't blame them when it was all anyone ran for the longest time
It's still an exceedingly strong ARC weapon, just not the end of all anymore.
>>741273469take the hybrid arc blood infused weapon pill
>>741273469I can't comment on Elden Ring but I sure do make a point to seek it out in Nightreign.
>>741273469Nah, it's still pretty good.To get the most out of RoB, you need to understand that any points you put into it beyond minimum STR and DEX + 45 Arcane is a complete waste, so you can use your remaining levels to either get some Faith for buffs, Mind to spam the L2 more often, or Vigor + Endurance to become tankier.The only real problem is it consuming too much FP, which isn't much of a problem in PVP, but in PVE it can get pretty annoying.An Occult Great Katana with Repeating Thrust has similar reqs, and deals a ton of damage + bleed with the skill, while only consuming a fraction of the FP RoB uses.
>>741276542>I still think it's funny they made a regular ass katana longer than the LONGswordActually when you look at its category the issue is not that the katana is too long but that the longsword is misplaced.Straight swords are meant to be arming swords, whereas greatswords are meant to be the actual longswords and the lighter colossals are meant to be the actual greatswords.The katana isn't too long relative to other weapons, it's the longsword that should fucking not be shorter than a bastard sword, by definition.
>>741273469>Did they go too far with the nerf?Yes and no.No, in that the actual issue was more blood builds stacking too many boni, so with that in mind the weapon was brought back down to earthYes, in that the weapon itself wasn't the issue (again, blood builds in general) so if you're not making a dedicated build it's now too weak.
>>741278539Love that latency. FS really knows how to do it.
>>741273469The nerf was overkill, as it is now it's just a shittier more FP inefficient double slash. The main issue people had with rivers of blood was the fact it built up a lot of bleed against players rolling and compounded with the range you got a cancer stick.
>>741273469im not the only one who wants to lick it right?
I was always more of a Chaos Blade guy because of the range. Is that in Elden Ring?
>>741273469just use bleed chicken wing charged r2s.>>741276549that's what ashes are for. unsheathe, impaling thrust or chilling mist are your friend.
>>741283128when will you learn that japs make games for japan, their netcode works perfectly fine for a country that isn't that big and has a very good consumer internet infrastructure
>>741273469Eleanora's Poleblade was always better, at least for PvE, but PvP trannies are what they are.
>>741276682It was river of blood and moonvail for every fucking build for the longest time. Of course they nerfed that shit
>>741276549>I couldn't get used to not staggering opponentsUnsheathe is just square off for katanas and just as busted.
>>741273469Just be a real man and use Great Stars. Extra points for powerstancing them.
https://youtu.be/JnLAQi45dOw?is=oXxssoopapbBtfYQ
>>741273469Let me solo her is a pussy ass butch using the RoB weapon art and dual-wield katana moveset as the world's biggest crutch. The fact he had all corners sucking him off while using such easy braindead meta bullshit was my true realisation the Internet was dead.
>>741287197I'm more mad about his dumbass pothead fashion. Fucker couldn't even be creative.
This shit mogs RoB so bad it's comical, even moreso if you had a second Bleed Twinblade and used jumping attacks while looking for that absolute kneebuster of an AoW
>>741287197the powerstance katana moveset sucks.
>>741285428>no madness chaos blade that everyone cires aboutone job miyahacki
>>741276682>game where the bosses have obscene amounts of health>people use bleed builds to chunk off health>this is bad for some reason
how come you never see stuff like kanabo, windmill shuriken or tessen in these games?
>>741278638the character is garbage without RoB too you literally feel worthless without it
>>741287981We don't need more made-up chink weapons when they can't even get Flails right.
I still think someone fucked up the translation with this weapon, because "Corpse Piler" sounds like the name for a weapon while "Rivers of Blood" describes the actual animation of the weapon's skill.
>>741288040Slap Chilling Mist on your starter Katana and get good at using the guardpoints in Suncatcher's sheathe/unsheathe and Executor becomes GOATed
>>741287197kek, hilarious comment.
>>741288171Wish Suncatcher would inherit the traits of the primary weapon Executor uses. Yes I know both unsheath and sheath count as guardpoints too, but I can't always predict when my perfect guarding will lead to a stancebreak.
>>741273667What even is the downside of (long) katanas now that durability has been scrapped?
>>741288603none
>>741288603it's gay.
>>741288710But that's a good thing?t. gay
>>741288603Melds very poorly with 95% of the cool armor sets in the game.
>>741288792depends on if you consider a torn asshole and a shit covered dick a boon or not
>>741288929Both are graett. gay
>>741289013>graetI guess spelling is hard when your asshole is leaking all over the place
>>741288603it weighs 7 units, which compared to other katanas isn't much of a downside. uchi is 5.5 and rob/moonveil is 6.5.
>>741288168Well it's not like the jap names are secret>shizanketsugacorpse mountain blood river>shishiruiruipiles of corpsesso the localization didn't really switch anythingI kinda agree that corpse piler feels more like a weapon than a skill, but it's a fuck up rather than a mix up
>>741282891They probably go by old DnD historical errors
>>741289268It's kind of hilarious that dnd is the "victorian scholars" of the 20th century.
>>741273469Is there any point to Serpentbone Blade's Ash?
>>741289407Double slash delivers much more status than r1s.
>>741289571The heavy though
>>741288168If you want to break down the name 屍山血河 is a 4 kanji compound word which if broken down is 屍 corpse 山 mountain 血 blood 河 river although it's not your typical kanji for river. All together it would be "a mountain of corpses and rivers of blood" which describes the aftermath of some brutal battle and you can see the english name just takes half of it and makes it a name. The skill 死屍累々 is another 4 kanji compound that basically means a lot of dead bodies or a pile of corpses, so corpse piler is the name. There's no real mistake with it but if it sounds better the other way it's just the way the language is.
>>741290378Higher than r2 tooProbably only with fp though
looking back this weapon was edgekino.
>>741273469ROB was never even the best bleed katana.It was always a noobtrap.
>>741288910It's crazy that out of all the ugly and random armor sets in the game, they never put in some 'heavy samurai' set to go with the nagakiba or great katanas.Literally could have just ripped some shit from Sekiro, no one would complained.
>>741276549Unsheathe R2 does 30 stance damage, for reference a Lions Claw on a colossal weapon does 38-42 depending on the weaponAnd Unsheathe has good range on a regular katana, nevermind Nagakiba
>>741282891It is funny that the Milady is basically the first actual longsword in any Fromsoft game since the Penetrator sword in Demon's Souls.
>>741286835From the moment I found that weapon with my first character, it stayed with me. I was one of the earlier ones who recognized Great Stars greatness. Stuffed it with the Golden Land AoW upon discovery and never looked back.
>>741286835based.
>>741291471I actually remember there being greatsword movesets where the two handed r1s felt pretty longsword-likeI wanna it was in ds2? The flamberge? Maybe some black knight weapon? I don't quite remember.Still nothing like milady though, that's for sure. The old greatsword r1s were basically just flourishes that didn't actually fit the actual moves, while they actually chained the whole moveset together for the new lgs
>>741293053The Mirrah Greatsword.That moveset pops up for the Hollowslayer in DS3, and the Knight's Greatsword in Elden Ring.My complaint is that it's only the two handed R1s that look good.
I use Milady on my female DEX Knight, am I npc coded?
>>741273469"Man Rivers of Blood is overpowered, how can people use that shit," I say spamming my little Reduvia blood beam.
>>741293659What ash of war?
>>741293659>DEX instead of QualityThat makes you an even bigger faggot than playing as a woman.
>>741273469>It's still really good against other playerslelit's one of the worst weapons in pvp
>buy game day 1>play with hoarfrost stomp and mimic tears>NOO you can't have fun that way!!>meganerf bothI had to finish the game playing in offline mode so the game didn't updated.
>>741286525Eleonora is better for PVP after the DLC if you combine the running attack talisman and the 2H damage one.
>>741294304Quality really ain't what it used to be.If you're really going to split stats, then split STR/casting stat of your choice.
>>741296076and never touch L2 because you're begging to get shredded by projectiles with how long that animation lasts.
>>741273469>all the OP shitter weapons are weebsticksER should've been Sekiro 2
>>741296068I'm still mad about Flame of the Redmane's nerf. .
>>741296483>Elden Ring should've been liquid shitThank God it wasn't
>>741296346The L2 is alright because it has hyper armor, but you have to be careful on when to use it. It's best to spam running R2s, and then throw a L2 when you think someone is going to try trading against your running attack spam.
>>741288603The downside is half the moveset (or more) of any katana is pure dogshit, with excessively slow and ostentatious swings, unless you are using the one-handed R1 swings only, they're pretty fucking ass
>>741294304Quality was only ever good in DaS3 and no other souls game if you're being honest and not pretending to be restarted
>>741298286I mean if you're doing a purist Milday run and don't want to fuck with Statuses, Quality is the best infusion.
>>741298845Quality is dogshit until you have at least 80 levels in both STR and DEX, which you won't before level 200.
>>741298845Heavy if you are two handing and rollslopping, Keen if you are using a shield.
>>741298845>if you're doing a purist Milday run and don't want to fuck with Statuses, Quality is the best infusion.yeah anon we call purposely picking horrible options that gimp your character "challenge runs" and they're not fun, they're used for jewtuber content
>>741298167i never see anyone talking about this either: katanas have one of the worst movesets of all weapon typesthe range sucks (other than naga which is really top tier)the recovery frames are awfulthe swipes are SLOWand worst of all: it takes so much fucking stamina to swingi never used them before nightreign and i refuse to pick them up anymore unless its the naga or its a good stat-stick for the run
>>741303458Most good katanas are good because they make for good L2 sticks.No one using the Moonveil is doing so because they love the moveset, but because it's special Unsheathe is really strong. Same with RoB and it's special Double Slash.The Nagakiba and Malenia sword are as long as spears and either come with broken skills or can be given many really good ones.But the Uchigatana? Snake Katana?Why bother?
>>741293421Couple more weapons had it in ds2, I think ds3 might have had an extra one with the same R1s.
>>741303227Pure damage Milady is strong though. Just use the combo talismans + twinblade talisman, then dual wield them. You'll easily be dealing 5k+ damage on each jump L1+L1.
>>741304456true, milady is one of the best and most versatile to build aroundbut if you dont build it with a status effect and wingstance you're gimping the weapon
>>741273469They get what they fucking deserve. Elden Ring PVP is essentially the worst because invasions only work if one picks the most spammy, biggest aoe AoW and because of that rivers of blood dominated.This shit used to get me so mad I'd start screaming "RIVERS OF BLOOD, LAKES OF BLOOD, OCEAN OF BLOOD! FOLDED TEN THOUSAND TIME" in a mock Japanese voice whenever they spammed it because that's how imagined those weeb ass faggots.God I hate Katana users in souls games
>>741306256Wing Stance is more for the aura farming than the actual utility.
>>741288603The standard moveset is kinda ass outside of the pokes.The MVs simply aren't there, the R1 chain is slow as hell, the R2 is also comically slow, has terrible stance damage and unless it's one of those rare Katanas with a poking R2 it has horrible range as well, the powerstance moveset has visual flair but it's also completely dogshit outside of the crouching R1 since again, it's too fucking slow even for most PVE purposes.Outside of the innate Bleed giving them Occult infusion privileges Katanas are the quintessential ash of war sticks for mages and dexfags, and the worst part is the damage isn't even that great in most cases, now that both RoB (and Moonveil) got kneecapped they're almost entirely carried by Unsheathe and some other gimmick like Nagakiba+Blood Blade.
This is the most slept on PVP weapon currently in Elden Ring. I never ever see anyone else use it but I can perpetually juggle people with its AoW.
>>741288603People know your just compensating for something else. Kinda like colossal weapon users.
>>741288603Durability was always a cope "Weakness" and From Software knew it. It was always an excuse so that nippon steel would prove superior to European arms.
>>741306256Status and wing stance are a bad combo. Status decreases raw damage, so wing stance will deal no damage. Wing Stance doesn't have good multihit so it's bad at building up status.
>>741288603They're pretty fucking slow compared to Longswords and their movesets aren't as good, but you get status and a bit more range to compensate, or a lot in the Washing Pole's case.
>>741288603None, but long katanas have been powercreeped by the new great Katana weapon class.
>>741307542its because>rememberance weapon, other choice is the BIS staff/seal combo for this game, no one picks faith-bonkstick #35>scales off strength but not as well as others, scales poorly off faith but the aow only scales off faith and not strength>not buffed by shard of alexander other than the waveuncommon weapons are always more of a mental play because people don't have timings memorized like with rivers or moonveil
>>741309126Metyr's tail is overrated, inferior to just carrying PoDS and GOS. >Oh no this weapon doesn't scale off strength so good It's a Strength/int/faith weapon for those builds and if you're going to use it you're going to just invest the bare minimum strength for it anyway. Its AR is boosted by the Faith/INT rating to a decent extent. The point though is the WA utility wise is powerful. By simply predicting where a player will panic roll you can just juggle the fuck out of them.
>>741308532i did a run with frost milady wingstance and had 0 issues building up with the l2-r1 and doing ~3-4k with the l2-r2good stance damage, frost proc staggers as well, buffed my spellblade spell damage or i reset with fire and do it againi've never calculated it but i really can't imagine a bleed build does less damage than either pure-str or pure-dex milady once you account for the bleed procif you mean for pvp, sure maybe it isn't completely optimal, light greatswords are also a common pick so people know how to fight them these days
>>741307542It's because of the weird stat reqs.The skill is nuts against other players.
>>741309505oh i wasnt shitting on it, just saying why the average pvp-tard doesnt pick iti really enjoy fighting people with uncommon weapons, makes the game fun>Metyr's tail is overrated, inferior to just carrying PoDS and GOSehhhh yes and no for me personally, like from stat perspective yes but that half-second waiting for weapon swap to cast the correct spell, and the extra mental of having to make sure you've got what you need before committing to the animation made it not worth it for me on my fth/int pure caster build, its just too convenient, maybe if i put more hours into the build i'd feel like it wasn't needed, having to swap also fucks up a few fth/int combos that i like
>>741273469It was undoubtedly too good, but its nerf was more severe because status build-up isn't affected by downscaling in multiplayer. In other words, a password phantom could L2 in your general direction and bleed you out instantly within a huge, safe, AoE cone. It deserved the nerf, really.Moonveil is still fucking broken.
>>741278539>soulless bugman build>Twitch chat overlap pops up on screenAh, that explains it...
>>741288603Katana have multiple flaws:>awkward, diagonal swings>mediocre frame data>no innate horizontal hitboxes except crouching / rolling R1>no innate hyper armorBecause of these flaws, they're weak to pressure in both PvE or PvP. The 1H R1 and 2H running R2 carry the katana's moveset, honestly.
>>741307542It's one of those weapons that has escaped detection by the unwashed masses due to its placement in the game. Its requirements are also strange. In reality, it's very good.The weapon that really confuses me is Wing of Astel. It's one of the most annoying weapons in the game within a popular weapon class, has low requirements, is good in ganks, and only requires giving Ranni the fingerslayer blade, but it's incredibly scarce. The only logical explanation is that Moonveil is so broken that it basically cannibalized the weapon for casuals.
>>741273469DEXfags deserve NOTHING
>>741311706It's scarce because it's too fucking ugly, even it is broken as fuck hardly anyone would use it because the damage to their ego is way too high
>>741311253The best move katanas have is the 1h R2, the 1h running R2 is also alright. A hand axe in the offhand covers up their weaknesses quite well. I used an Occult Forked Axe alongside my Rivers of Blood build in PVP to great success.
>>741288532thats fine, the executor katana has high crit damage while your other katana at least builds up status with your crit. You can just switch weapons to chooseIdk about deep of night, but executor is a very strong character even before RoB. Not to mention some amazing relicsFrost+bleed is an awesome start
>>741311706>it's requirements are also strangeWell the redditors deny Int/fai builds because of "It HAS to be a 125 meta otherwise everyone can do everything" retardation. Then they scoff at all the int/fai shit under performing at that range.I may get a dip in invasion consistency for being SL 221, but I still get consistent Arena.
thoughts on dual wielding straight swords?
>>741312267It's gay but effective, the powerstancing moveset is very good even it looks a bit goofy.
>>741311880>It's uglyOrganic weapons always look better on characters in rough armor or cloth.Why would you wear fancy shiny armor if you're going to use Falling Star Beast Jaw, Bloodfiend arm or one of the big wooden clubs?
>>741312267PvE, fine but boringPvP, the old hotness for retards that's countered by the new hotness for retards
>>741312267They're good, but they kinda make me wish I was dual wielding curved swords or thrusting swords instead.
>>741312351Nigga I am NOT using a fucking dragonfly wing as a weapon, even the chicken drumstick is more believable
Godskin Peeler is a better bleeder in all modes
>>741312637More like FORESKIN PEELER LMAO
>>741312267The L1 chain swings both weapons at the same time so it’s good. That’s the key for good powerstanced sets, if your powerstance doesn’t have synchronized attacks then it’s shit.
>>741312351Leda's armor + dual beast jaw looks cool as fuck and is also optimal for crouch L1 spam. It's actually one of the most fun builds in the game.
>>741291471The Loyce Greatsword in DS2 was basically a longsword too. You even held it like one.
>>741312637Eh, it's pretty great but not really.The thing that sets RoB apart even after the nerf is that it has bleed+fire, Godskin Peeler is just a DEX weapon that also forces you to either two hand it or powerstance if you want to get something out of it, and if you really wanna get into that there's better options for both.Not to mention, RoB is a specific option for ARC builds, Godskin is a DEX weapon so there's not much overlap at all, ARC builds have to go out of their way to make the Peeler compete with RoB because it doesn't have innate bleed so you're forced to choose between a Bleed infusion for the status or Occult for raw damage but no bleed, RoB on the other hand just fucking werks and if you really want a twinblade there's Eleonora's Poleblade with its broken as fuck ash of war AND bleed+fire.
The most slept-on katanaThe dragonscale one is bad, sorry
>>741313004Eleonora’s was better before the DLC but now, Godskin Peeler alongside Sacred Bloody Flesh, Seppuku, and LoB Exultation is the best bleed combo you can do. The competitors are Bleed Milady and Bleed Estoc, though Bleed Estoc is only busted in PvP while PvE it’s heavily surpassed by the other two. Sacred bloody flesh is bugged right now, as in a bug that’s not even accessed through an exploit to take advantage of it it’s just like that with standard use, so expect a patch either before TE or with its release.
>>741313023It's not really slept-on, its problem is that it's just a bog standard INT katana with a unique ash of war that is more suited for rollcatching in PVP than anything, it's the reverse Moonveil in that it's good for PVP but kinda bad for PVE because the ash of war isn't designed for the job.Should have been a light greatsword honestly since there's already two INT katanas and the entire weapon class outside of RoB already favors INT builds, we really didn't need a third unique INT Katana.
>>741273469For me it's her
>>741311706The Wing of Astel definitely has gotten some love among speedrunners and the like. Its just awkwardly placed.
>>741309505>Metyr's tail is overrated, inferior to just carrying PoDS and GOS.Fuck off, I absolutely will sacrifice some power to minimize the amount of weapon suffling I must do.I WILL use black witch/sanctum over twilight/wisdom dragonI WILL use crystal chime over court sorcerer/izalith/whatever the best chime even is
I hate Rellana’s Swords because it has 4 stats it scales with and the powerstanced light greatsword set sucks so it’s just an ash stick. No im not using a paired weapon with a shield, that’s blasphemous. Milady and Leda’s are 5x better.
>>741313254It's not an int katana, it fits a specific build that From seems proud of in ER, which is the "Demi-human" build. Prioritizing using the bare minimum int with the demi-human staff to cast the lowest Int requirement spells while shoving everything else into dex.It's a Dex weapon that grants strong magic damage.But nobody wants to play a "mage larper" just like how all the ludicrous lighting support for pure dex wasn't favored over just being a high fai lighting encant user.
>>741312267i loved watching ds3 pvpniggers run these and shitting all over them with my unoptimized buildssame way i love shitting on thrusting sword/lighting greese/iconshield users in elden rightkill all metafaggots
>>741313778>man admits he is not based enough to wield the best weapon in the gamemany are saying this
>>741313887If the weapon requires me not not have 60 vigor, it’s bad. Instant D tier.
>>741313918you can have 60vig and be completely fine with fth/int
>>741309505>Metyr's tail is overrated, inferior to just carrying PoDS and GOS.That sucks so much, though. Having to constantly swap them feels like putting your balls in a vice.
>>741314021But it scales with C on Str/Dex too. It’s literally C all across the board.
>>741312267Strong but the moveset is ugly. That double stab has negative aura.
>>741313887The two-handed moveset for Light Greatswords is so much more fun and stylish than the dual-wield moveset. That being said I still love Rellana's Tooofpicks
>>741313802meta is the most boring way to play any game.
>>741312267Frieren taught me that dual wieldingsimilar swords is dumb so I can’t support them in good faith anymore.
>>741276682>>741273469I kind of respect that sort of nerfing for a single player game. Rather than waste time trying to balance it perfectly, if there's something that's clearly overpowered just nuke it to shit
>>741273469if you just want to completely stomp the game just use the blasphamous blade, it's easier to get and 10x stronger
>>741314072yeah you just ignore that and build fth/int>>741314143i liked both, i ran a cold milady as my secondary with my relly cosplay, worked well so i could use Carian Sovereignty
These were good. Same with the throwable cirques, but the ones dropped by the hornsent fucking suck.
>>741313778It isn't perfect, but really the whole point of the weapon is to spam the ash of war. What is fun is getting a second milady and hard swapping between Magic + Flame Art Milady and Rellana's Twinblades.
>>741273469For me it's the Erdsteel Dagger, incredibly busted weapon that lets you spec into 80 faith and therefore also casting miracles which I guess is why it's slept upon since Ancient Dragon Lightning Strike exists.I wish the smithscript weapons scaled like it, which iirc they did and then they got nerfed to the ground.
>>741313778>Standard LGS moveset with magic damage when two handed>Powerstance has both Magic and Fire damage>Powerstance L1 uses a wholly separate straight sword moveset>Stance AoW that scales enormously with the cameo>Can choose either an INT scaling R1 followup or a FTH scaling R2 followup so you can build off either stat for damage if you want to specializeGirella's swords are much more than an ash stick
>>741314489>What is fun is getting a second milady and hard swapping between Magic + Flame Art Milady and Rellana's Twinblades.
>>741314072Letter scalings don't mean much. What that means is that the physical damage half of the swords gets a C scaling through STR/DEX. But the magic and fire damage both also get C scalings through INT and FTH, respectively. The whole weapon isn't evenly boosted by leveling any one stat. If you just get the minimum STR+DEX and dump everything else into INT+FTH, you'll be golden all the same. Because those two stats increase the weapon's elemental damages.
>>741314521The L1 straight sword set is only good for PvP. The powerstanced set is lame on light greatswords, unless it's the death light twin axes any powerstance where the weapons don't swing in sync with each other are bad. This is why powerstanced katanas, hammers, thrusting swords, etc. suck but powerstanced colossals, curved swords, and straight swords are good. Also the ashes from the sword of night and flame are more useful than Rellana's.
>>741314072>>741314676i really dont like jewtubers but this guy's video is actually quite good on the topichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDO0TEWRjCw
>>741273469Remove bleed and frost from the games entirely
>>741314829>remove funim so happy miyazaki never listened to you retards and gave us elden kino
>>741314829they need to do something more interesting.
>>741314773>Also the ashes from the sword of night and flame are more useful than Rellana's.completely disagree for pvp, rellana's still to this day dumpsters so many people, the magic r1 is good long range punish and the fire r2 is a great punishment for over-aggressive playersin comparison SoNF magic r1 is easily avoided because its just baby-azur and the fire r2 can be rolled and opens you up for an easy backstab
>>741314035In my case though I have way more sorceries than encants. So runs on my machine.
>>741314492This thing absolutely shreds with Holy infusion + sacred blade ash, the triple dip you get off Faith hits like a bomb
>>741273469Dex is just unplayable unless you use katanasEvery other dex weapon is garbage
>>741315380keen backhand blades are really fun for a dex build, both pvp and pve
>>741315380No, bleed is just busted
Whenever I do invasions in this game it feels like the yellows specifically have like every weapon for their build maxxed out. Last time I went in this guy in Castle Sol had every projectile spam spell in the book, giant sleep pots, Astel's wing sword, Radahn's sword, a and a carian thrusting shield which was the only way I could beat him because I just kicked it, riposted him, then sword danced. But FUCK, I never ever see anyone play like this until I do invasions. Is this stuff you guys do too? I thought we all just used the first right and left hand slot 99% of the time, and then maybe had an ash stick or another catalyst in the 2nd slot. I see this all the time, too. The host had a full blasphemous blade build going on too but he sucked dick and just spammed the ash.>>741315380Pure dex is amazing you just need to use the good weapons. And I could name a lot of them, I just don't feel like it. But backhand blades and a lot of powerstanced curved swords are great. Powerstancing Bandit Curved Swords is better than Sellswords in DS3.
>>741273469post your weird/unoptimized but fun builds, im itching to do another 100% clear but ive done all the stock-standard builds
>Lance>GreatshieldWe MonHun now
If you used bleed items you did not beat the game.If you used backstabs you did not beat the game.If you used parries you did not beat the game.If you used armor you did not beat the game.If you used summons you did not beat the game.If you leveled vigor over 35 you did not beat the game.If you used spells you did not beat the game.If you used critical hits you did not beat the game.If you used torrent in boss fights you did not beat the game.
>>741315425The normal ass bog standard rapier folds everything that looks at it funny, let alone a keen one.
>>741315464Sweatlords wont even have them all equipped they get pretty quick with menu swapping
>>741315543For me?
hard swapping is a blight upon the franchise.
>>741315464are you on console or pc or seamless pvp?part of it is the only people left playing this are quite good these days, and yes i usually have 2-3 weapons and a crit dagger for every buildi purposefully do not weapon hardswap, i think its fucking gay and should be removed from all these games, you should be forced to level END if you want to carry extra weapons and "menuing" should not be the pvp-meta gate that it is, its not fun or engaging and takes you out of the worldthat said it is sadly the most optimal way to play and a lot of people do it
>>741315671For me it was Cuckoo's, it sort of kind of matches the metal of the Lance weapon
>>741315659It's weird seeing yellow sweats just clearing dungeons with the host though. Like yeah I "get" sweating in fight clubs or first step, but usually you'd see a red or arenafag doing that. I mean blues used to do it in DS1 and 2 but that was back when being a blue had a different meaning.>>741315756Playstation, two characters with one at 150 and another at 180.
>>741315882>playstationyeah that's kinda the issue, the actual sweat autists all play there because both pc and seamless have a good number of cheaterspersonally i prefer dealing with the off cheater and just leaving instead of playing with thrusting-sword/hard-swapper #4566
>>741315503>unoptimized but fun buildsI just go up to reqs for all the weapons/spells I like to use and then fill up vig/min/endI can fit most shit in by 22/18/36/36/17 and it hits decently enough.
>>741306571>This shit used to get me so mad I'd start screaming "RIVERS OF BLOOD, LAKES OF BLOOD, OCEAN OF BLOOD! FOLDED TEN THOUSAND TIME" in a mock Japanese voice whenever they spammed it because that's how imagined those weeb ass faggots.>>God I hate Katana users in souls gamesbased
>>741314465There is literally nothing more satisfying than chaining a dodge into Blind Spot and getting behind an enemy and having them whiff their entire chain as you get a full combo or a charged R2 behind them. Well, there is, but I use them both in the same builds lmao.
>>741316492I never used this one but the Bloody Helice was also fun. The death knight axes have a slightly delayed blinkbolt dash but it's really fun as well.
>>741315503VIT gouge.Start as Wretch and level nothing but Vigor and Endurance, wear heavy armor and use any weapons you can wield infused with Cold.It's surprisingly effective while still feeling distinct enough from normal builds to be fun.
nerf perfect block.
>>741316748They have a higher chance of buffing it than anything since it's a lot more generous in Nightreign when playing as Executor (they're not gonna do anything to it though). It's not that strong in PvP unless you're doing the ganking but there's far better options to be a ganker.
>>741314804I find this guy's voice oddly adorable and the little cat profile pic just makes me imagine it's the lil' guy telling me all this.
>>741315503The most fun I've had outside of PvP is a pure tank build. You'll have to research how to minmax it yourself, though. I've typed up the full build before and it takes fucking forever to explain everything.
>>741315240Yeah it's incredibly versatile, you can either use sacred blade for holy or flaming strike with flame art for fire (the scaling is the exact same and the only difference is the element), which means you will never struggle against an enemy with too high resistances, it just covers the entire run.
even with the nerfs it still made malania piss easy if you had a decent bleed build, maybe your build and stats just suck
>kilij>not called kilij
>Things covered in blood cause bleeding.>There is fire from burning blood that causes bleeding even though burns cauterize. ???
>>741319293It's magical fire called bloodflame, I hope that helps.
>>741319293It's cool, it's edgy, it's radical. Like frozen lightning.
>>741319472Yes but why would it make YOU bleed?
>>741273469I played with it after the nerf, having never used it before the nerf and found that it still absolutely trivialized the game. Shit like Malenia is still something you can mash l2 with and not even have to learn the fight.
>>741315380This. It's crazy how much Team Ninja puts From Software out to pasture with regards to dex weaponry. The whip from Wo Long is pure sex.
The Strength/Arcane weapons are way more broken
>>741321804Anti-coagulant.
>>741319293IRL Cauterization requires quite a bit of precision to use properly (without severe injury), and the wound isn't instantly healed. It's just a last resort type of deal.
>>741311775DEX fags get nothing. Especially with the 1.5x buff to STR when you 2 Hand, basically every DEX weapon except the Guardian's Swordspear is better with a Heavy infusion
>>741273469Is Sword Lance still good?
>>741329620Its still the best yeah
>>741273469i never touched it until after the nerf and it's ridiculously overpowered. it's only held back by the fact that it's located in the end-game.
Idk why, but i have never used curved swords in these games. Something about using them just feels gay. Great curved swords are fine. Its just curved swords
>>741329793All weapons can be enjoyed in NG+, the only thing stopping people is autism.
>>741329925no its the piss-poor balancing where everything is way too easy for even the most retarded end-game build
>>741330056You don't upgrade it to 25+. Upgrades matter more than stats, it's completely fair that way.
Red pill me on int/arc
>>741331414If the boss has an aurafarm walking start the big bubbles can be stacked to one shot it. They're very FP efficient for your damage.
>>741331414Underrated because of requirement autism. It only has bubbles as the true dedicated spells that have an int/arc requirement, however because the maternal staff, technically all finger sorceries are int/arc despite lacking an arc requirement themselves (people seethe at this solely because finger spells lack an arc requirement for some reason).If lower level builds Albi staff is superior, but Maternal is backloaded coded and surpasses it at higher levels and then of course the damage boost to finger spells the Maternal Staff provides. The Maternal staff also has far higher bleeding boost than Albi meaning blood thorns are better on it.Basically you get the bubbles which are Hamea canons with a bitter hit rate, you get access to bleeding options and if you want to go higher level it is the dedicated finger sorcery build.
>>741331873Oh yeah, it's also don't forget albinauric weapons with sleep grease as an option that outright surpass St. Trina sword int builds.Basically it works, autists pretend it doesn't but it does.
>>741331414worst build but you can beat game rl1 so it doesnt matter
