Why did it fail?
first was having your spokeman be a textbook image of a sex offender.
>>741280073It turns out that everyone in these threads was right about devs controlling their intellectual property
The Mold strain wasn't virulent enough. >>741280073
third estate has no power
>>741280073it didn't
>>741280073Haha! PirateSoftware was right all along!
>>741280502Copium
>>741280073freeman always loses
>>741280901keep seething mutt
>>741280953Because you have to pay for things and not get them for free!
>>741280073Whats the matter? Not gonna fight back because you don't have an argument?
>>741280073people dont play shit games and it just so happens a lot of shit games are also live service and have also shut downno one is missing out by not being able to play The Crew
>>741280073It's over chuds. We lost. Should we surrender ourselves to the slop?
>>741281048Its your fault for being a retard!
>>741280073Unironically because the faces of the movement are a bunch of weirdos and embarrassing bunch. They should have hired an actor to pose as their leader to gain massive following online, this is politics and your image matter as much as your message, maybe even more.Reminder that women voted for Trudeau because they found him attractive, couldn't even cite a single policy they actually supported.
>>741281195Gaming is for kids anyway, Go touch grass!
>>741280863>>741280901>>741280983>>741281023>>741281172>>741281302Take your meds, schizo...
>>741280073Because the EU is a boomer-dominated beaurocratic hellscape that seeks no change, only control.
>>741280073Implementing it as a legal obligation would need intellectual property rights to be completely reworked but you people are objectively too stupid to understand thatYou need to learn to pursue your goals in a smarter wayHonestly I think it actually worked since companies are devising a code of conduct, meaning there's gonna be less careless eos nukes. However the sky goal is simply unreachable, you need to change publisher and developer culture not push for laws you don't understand
>>741280502Suuuure, the parliament will 100% amend unrelated legislation to include a complete rework of IP rights
>>741280073Because it fell for the "EU is wholesome chungus pro-consumer!" meme
>>741280073Ridiculous demand to begin with. Some of these games did not do well and couldn't afford to keep the servers up while the others were naturally retired due to being over a decade old.
>>741280073video game loby won
no point in kneecapping (very profitable) companies over trivial shit
>>741284061Copy right is intentionally constructed in an incredibly stupid way, there is no intelligent way to pursue a real rework without actively tearing everything down or aggressively amending it.Even just the fact that you were retarded enough to say the words "Intellectual Property Rights", which is a collective term for a bunch of random licenses that is meant to intentionally confuse how the layman interprets the privileges and legalities of copyrights, patents and trademarks should be a sign that you have no real ability to influence culture in this matter.IP is neither intellectual work, nor is it property nor is it a right.
>>741280073Nobody actually cared and the EU identified that it was just some stupid internet fad and politely ushered them out.
It didnt, theres more to come after this, just because the commission talks didnt go 100% as planned doesnt mean the movement is suddenly dead in the water.
Because of that closed door meeting the EU had with companies like Ubisoft, EA etc. You had to know it was over when that happened.
>>741285267Lol chang is mad
>>741285439Chang being somehow mad in spite of the fact that he is capable of gradually subsuming the entire western sphere of culture simply by owning the copy rights, having a stake in the companies that own those copy rights or putting pressure on larger western publishers that hold those copy rights, while having no similar issues.Copy right when not using the GPL is cuckoldry.
>>741280073It was written up and championed by people with no understanding of copyright law or the basics of game development.It overreached like mad, warping from a completely reasonable ask (games with phone home DRM should patch out the check when the auth server shuts down) to absolute nuttery. When told that his final proposal was insane, would annihilate copyright for code, and would be a ridiculous burden on the market that no liberal body would approve, his response was "NUH UH"This was an excellent example of GIGO in politics.
Anyone else really fucking Ross?
>>741285267Oh shut the fuck upI'm as socialist as they come but while we still live in a capitalist society we need copyright to exist if we want any video games at all.
>>741280978At least my parents are alive
>>741284124They won't, but they might amend in some SKG-inspired nothingburger. If they will, it will certainly be closer to California's Protect Our Games Act than to what anons here envision.
>>741281195God, I wish I were a woman...
I don't know why is everyone coping here. There's EXACTLY one reason it failed: forcing developers and publishers to allow you to have private servers is a big and radical ask. That's it.
>>741286165It was annoying to watch because there were elements of it Pirate Software was being a disingenuous shill about while Ross was genuinely kind of a low IQ autist in terms of understanding copyright law and what he could realistically achieve. Watching him show up to court in a literal cum covered gooning shirt was hilarious and based though.
>>741280463Except numbers.Time for Europeans to show some gamer rage in the streets.
>>741280073
>>741286803not what it asked for
>>741287171Not directly, but it's clear that's what the supporters wanted.
>>741280073Sorry friendo, should have had more mone...i mean better arguments :^)
>>741287171It is, but you'd have to have a basic understanding of technology to understand why
>>741287241How the fuck us lobbying even legal when the very concept goes against democracy?>Yes i will look into this new law>But this group funding my new yacht doesn't like it so oops sorry better luck next time How is this any fucking different from taking a bribe?
>>741280073Because mankind lost WW2, and we are now living a world where evil rules.
>>741287646>How the fuck us lobbying even legal when the very concept goes against democracy?Anon-Lobbying is any situation where constituents talk to their representatives.A bribe, surprisingly, is just called a bribe.
>>741280073Because you didn't sign Change petion org!!
>>741287646A bribe, is typically, when you give money to a politician, which they can use for any purpose whatsoever, and the politician does whatever you wanted him to do for that money. That's usually illegal. Lobbying usually doesn't involve this exact scenario, but rather something more seemingly reasonable
>>741280073>>741280226ThisThere were multiple people and posts explaining why this was stupid and wouldn't work, the tranny spammers knew they were right so started screaming about shills and corpos (despite the troons supporting woke corporations)
>>741287646>the very concept goes against democracyWe don't live in a democracy. There is a set of narrow rules for actual democracy, written by the Ancient Greeks who spend literal millenia trying every possible combination.None of those rules are applied in any western country.We are as much of a democracy as chinkland is communist.
>>741287646That isn't what lobbying is you low IQ retard
>>741288015>There is a set of narrow rules for actual democracyWhat are these rules? Unironically, where can I read about it?
>>741280073ubisoft ceo deserves terminal cancer
>>7412846201. There is no "naturally retired" for games. Their natural lifespan is forever, just like movies, books and music.2. Keeping servers online perpetually was never a demand, allowing people to host their own servers or providing an offline mode was.
>>741288015>>741287646First: No, lobbying is not against democracy. It's fundamental to it. Lobbying is voters talking to the person they voted into office to tell them what they want and what their interests are. It is the "representative" part of representative democracy.Second: shut your "ackshually we are a republic" ass up. Take a fucking civics course you dumb motherfucker. We are (were) a liberal representative democracy. We don't need to have every citizen cast their vote in the round like Athens to be a democracy you autistic fuck.
>>741286803There's actually a bigger ask. It prevents companies from selling the rights to maintaining a game's service to private equity, selling those rights to their competitors so that they can shut it down or just shutting it down themselves to force people to agree to new license terms or buy a new thing. This already happens in the enterprise software industry (Autodesk killing Softimage, various professional software killing support for their lifetime license agreements) and occasionally happens with smarthome and other internet connected devices that suddenly have paywalls.it's a big potential bargaining chip and a potential payout when liquidation happens and someone wants something to just stop being a problem for their bottom line.>>741287198Because that's the form of longterm support that people were most familiar with roughly 17 years ago when companies decided to stop doing it to avoid cannibalizing their future profits when competing with their older games and mods to their older games that they didn't retain the rights to.>>741287646You unfortunately can't get rid of it without forcing politicians to be orphaned eunuchs who can't hold property and are executed every 4 years. Obviously this is the optimal solution, but good luck getting politicians to vote for it.>>741287986Yeah, regulatory capture is worse.
i thought euros were based and pro consumerswhy are they like this?
>>741286252>>741285267>>741284061None of this has anything to do with copyright at all. This is entirely a matter of consumer protection. You can't scam people and say it's okay because you own some IP. Those are unrelated matters.
>>741288223Republics are required to follow a ratified constitution by definition and the USA doesn't do that, because it wanted to boost copyright law at the expense of ignoring the part of the constitution that allows congress to pass copyright laws.
>>741288223>Lobbying is voters talking to the person they votedNo it's not. It's (((people))) leveraging money in a system where you are not supposed to be able to do that. Democracy is supposed to be one person equals one vote. Lobbying is an attempt to circumvent that with money.
>>741288308>you can't scam peopleGreat news! No one got scammed. That's not a thing that happened.
>>741280073Communism doesn't work.
>>741288424>Lyinginb4 YOU SIGNED THE EULA THAT'S YOUR FAULT
>>741288395>lobbying is a basic function of democracy? I have no knowledge of civics? Corruption is its own separate thing?>NO IT'S THE JEWS NO ONE TALKS TO A POLITICIAN EVER AGAINdumbass
>>741288223>Lobbying is voters talking to the person they voted into office to tell them what they want and what their interests are.L M A Oeveryone knows the faces of the kike oligarchs and their lobbyist crews, shove it up your ass
>>741288494sounds like a he said-she said to metell me good sir, whom was scammed and how?I'm quite skeptical of your claim
>>741288285We are but stealing rights isn't pro-consumer and even the commies in the EU thought this was retarded
>>741288002>B-but you’re going against your own interests if you don’t side with me!!It’s like they’re reading off a script
>>741280073one side has billions of dollarsthe other doesn't
>>741288223Soneone here actually understands how politics works>>741288545Your no u's aren't working
>>741280073the only thing this garbage petition needed to address was to make it illegal for companies to sue you for hosting private servers if they pull the plugeverything else championed was retarded and parroted by idiots who have no idea how backend software development works
>>741280073It was obvious it was gonna fail once it went through The power of lobbying is on another level
>>741288598>stealing rightswhy are you so disingenuous?
>>741280073I imagine it's due to lobbying
It didn't fail. Cope harder, nigger shill.
SKG was fundamentally challenging the concept of software licensingObviously not something that was ever going to be supported. If youre a retarded freak like Ross looking at it only through the lens of games you wouldnt see the massive impact that requiring software licenses to have a bunch of caveats for end of life/indefinite support
>>741280073Customers should be responsible for their own decisions in buying software
You lost and you're gonna keep losing. And you will always be brown.
>>741280073>hey government, we want to make it even easier for russians to pirate games and set up their own paid servers>hey The People, sorry but we need to defend the intellectual property of our companies, come back with a different proposal or talk to parliament
>>741288545>person thinks lobbying is some kind of private corruption audience>in reality lobbying is any individual or group of citizens asking for time to talk with a representative>tell person that they're wrong about what lobbying is>they think I'm saying that huge lobbyist groups don't engage in corruption, because they're gigantic babies incapable of learning anything so the fact that their definition of lobbying is wrong can't be fixed
>>741288825>>741288878>SKGroid calling someone BrownYour gacha is going to die, and no one literally cares except your sanctimonious cult who don’t even play the games they want to preserve.
>>741288825>>741288878retard
Ubijeets out in full force today.
>>741289029skiggers are litterally just penniless brownoids who want to pirate stuff more easily, they are annoyed that they can't pirate online drm games, and thought they could lobby the EU to let them pirate stuff
UbiGODS won thoughbeit
Damn its really funny how people are willing to toss aside their rights to uphold software they bought to function. Regardless of the case, if people ain't gonna change shit then people might as well start teaching piracy en masse to counteract it. People are going to want games so if they can't keep them functioning "legally" after they pay for it, then why pay for it at all?
>>741289078I'm a paid anti-skg shill and I love my job. I get paid $30 an hour to make shitposts and ruin your online discourse. It's super easy, I could automate it with AI if I wanted to but its honestly fun coming up with new and creative ways to insult you and derail your conversations. There isn't anything you can do about it either. :)))
>>741289123Regulation is a reduction in real natural rights in favor of fake euro tranny """right"""
>>741289179thisfuck the eu, vlad or xi can have them
>>741289123>do what I say or I'm going to steal>you're going to steal anyways, we're just gunna protect our companies that actually create jobs and participate in the economy >ok you asked for it, I'm gunna steal now>ok bye
>OH NO we can‘t play our live service online slop anymore!!!There isn’t a single good game this initiative would have saved.
>>741280073Unelected bureocrats convinced the people to give them power by letting the people elect someone to their daycare.
>>741289163Didn't read lol
>>741289272The EU doesn't even do that, they are openly anti-democracy
>>741289318Is that why you went to them with your gay little petition?
>>741289123You're the one against the right to own property though, bootlicker
>>741288308This. I genuinely wonder what combination of shills, contrarians and trolls we have here. You pay for a sinleplayer game that requires always online for some reason and then they just disable it a few years later. If I don't have the game anymore, then they don't get to have my money anymore. I did not pay for a subscription, I paid for a permanent licence. Even your typical predatory adhesion contracts, which EULAs technically are, have clauses for compensation in such cases.The Comission itself never provided a reason for denial, they literally just wrote "we can't recommend". Not a single mention of IP, copyright etc.. All these anons spouting bullshit. Lobbyists got to them, simple as.
>>741289371No that's why I don't the American leftists you never trust the EU, they wanted to pretend it was some utopian society when it's a bunch of rich leftist assholes
>>741289431You did not pay for a "permanent" license lmao, it literally states it can be revoked at any time for any reason
>>741287646>Muh democracylol
>>741288968>Saying no to free marketing from a demographic that is becoming increasingly difficult to sell to legitimately anywayCaring about pirates means that you have a shit product or you are shit at selling things.
>>741280216>only handsome men are allowed to do anythingcucked and gay
>>741289431The EU commission realizes changing how software licensing works is nonsense and will upend the entire industry, just for you Ross to play a shitty live service gameAnd no, most perpetual licenses do not have compensation for end of life.
>>741288054>>741287849I have had an actual US Senator tell me that Lobbyists are "Friends who are educated about important topics, they go out to dinner with you, pay for it, and give your family presents"But yeah, those things totally don't qualify as bribes because they aren't physical cash.God I hate this website
>>741289431>Lobbyists got to them, simple asthe sad truth right herefunny how ubisoft can barelly keep itself afloat but is able to promise some old fucks a couple millions on their next campaignubi cannot go under soon enough
>>741289431cool storythat's not what SKG was askling for
>>741289431>>741289123Notice how this SKG shill keeps making the same posts over and over again but doesn't make a single argument>it's funny to me that people disagree>I wonder how people disagreeHe never says how he's right or how anyone else is wrong, it just constant gaslighting
>>741289601Anon you could have spared yourself this embarrassment with simple literacy. See >>741288992Thank you for proving my point you gigantic baby.
>>741289601>I have had an actual friendThats called a personal anecdote anon and it's not an argument, and it still isn't what lobbying is
>>741289431Finally a non-shill, non-bot post. It was the lobbyists, plain and simple. In the west we are no longer in charge of our governments, they exist purely to enforce the will of corporations and Israel. A few years ago I would've called that statement a schizo /pol/ meme, but turns out it's actually true.
>>741287646they don't literally give them moneybut they do spend a disproportionate amount of time talking to them, help finance campaigns and offer a favor via their network for a cushy post-political job
>>741289601Gifts are considered gifts legally and there are regulations around how much can be given/receivedThey dont qualify as bribes because the amount is low enough and there isnt a direct link between vote x and get y
>>741280073corrupt bureaucrats
>>741288992>>741289681NTA, if it's not a private corruption audience then why the closed doors and off the record meeting instead of a transparent one?
>>741287646>How is this any fucking different from taking a bribe?Ignore everybody else giving you some "uhm, ackshually" Reddit response about how it's legally distinct from bribery. Morally and functionally it is exactly the same thing as bribery. Neoliberalism exists to give the control of government solely into the hands of corporations. We no longer have any kind of worker representation in government thanks to decades of propaganda and legal dismantling of anti-trust enforcement and restrictions on banks and campaign funding.
>>741290052It isn't bribes if you do it through shell companies and charities.
>>741287646>troons actually tricked retards here into thinking lobbying is weird or even bad
>>741290052>lobbying is the same as bribery>how?>I don't knowIf you hate neoliberalism then end mass immigration
>>741290153If they're lobbying in opposition to something I like then they are bad and evil.
>>741290226>umm if you hate corruption why haven't you snapped your fingers and ended the brown horde invasion?You retards aren't even trying.
i don't play shitty games so i've never had this problem
>>741280073post hand
>>741290352shockingly retarded post. well done.
>>741281334don't reply to the obvious troll
>>741289994No anon, you're not supposed to ask such questions. They have nothing to hide, that's why those concerned citizens demand YOUR meetings be transparent so they can talk about you in isolation. Because they're the good guys.
>>741290226>how?Do things that benefit politicians to get what you want, circumventing the regular democratic process because you have the funds and influence. Now shut up and fuck off, Jew.
>>741290352How DARE you not getting ripped off
>>741290352So this is the new narrative of anti-SKG huh? "This won't affect me if it isn't live service?" Except that was never exclusively what this was about. Any game can have serverside content they can shut off permanently, at any time, and make your game non-functional.
>>741290478I asked how lobbying and bribery is the same thing>no uCommunism was founded by a jew. Try answering the question this time
>>741290469What's really crazy is how these shill narrative haven't even changed or adapted. They really are just doing the gay jewish tactic or repeating the same thing every thread ad nauseum, get BTFO by basic facts or questions and then by the next thread, none of that ever happened and it was actually them that totally owned you and then start again right at the the top of the list. It's all so tiresome.
>>741290591>lose argument>t-this is your narrativeYou're a desperate gaslighting faggot
>>741280073Name one single good game that this intiative will save, you can't.
>>741290591>Any game can have serverside content they can shut off permanently, at any time, and make your game non-functional.like i said, i don't play shitty games, so i don't have this problem. you guys need to STOP BUYING BAD GAMES FROM COMPANIES THAT TREAT YOU LIKE SHIT
>>741289569Unfortunate but it is the truth, the dude has the face of annoying orange. The initiative never had the chance
>>741287646Take the authoritarianism pill. It's easier to convince one leader than the majority of the [Insert your lower and upper house here or congress in case of US] + the head of state.
>>741289670He did it again here >>741290618>what's really crazy to me is how people disagree
>>741290695I've literally seen your argument posted in every SKG thread now. You corporate shills are working overtime even after the bill failed. You must be scared of it having traction with consumers even now.
>>741288285We are in general but individual politicians and administrators can still be bribed. This is why we will have to do a cleanup of the EU comission since they are clearly compromised.>inb4 corpo shills start seethingI am European and i have the power. You can seethe as much as you like but i am doing this for free. Lets see who will last longer. Someone that has to pay shills and lobby groups or someone fueled by pure autism.
>>741289569halo effect, read about it
>>741280073https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o
>>741290707Why wouldn't you want litigation that prevents them from TREATING you like shit so they don't even have that option?
>>741290790>still no argumentYou SKG shills are getting desperate
>>741284061what we need are laws protecting people's digital ownershit rights - otherwise you own nothing, you pay for air and then companies just disable your access for any/no reason
>>74129078334C
>>741289569At least 50% of his disgenic appearance is a decision he makes
>>741290793The power to elect "your" European Parliament, right?
>>741290591the last time i got into an SKG thread, simply saying that better games should be made to justify SKG to begin with got you guys mad. be fucking seriousnobody's yearning to ever bring back any of the woke western flops this decade
>>741290618>tiresomeThat's the point. Their goal is to keep screaming their retardation until they can pretend it's the commonly accepted truth. That's the reason for the barrage of SKG FAILED!!! threads. When enough people point out the issue has been transferred to parliament instead, they kill the thread and try again.
>>741290860You fucking mongoloid. How do you "SHILL" consumer rights? Who is gaining money from this side of the argument? That's literally backwards.
>>741290793You don't have autism just because you're a trannyThe EU was always corrupt, if you cared you'd be out dealing with mass immigration or something else important not crying because a fad pushed by an American has ended
>>741290774Don't reply to me, retard. Nobody is falling for these posts because you've been doing the same tactic for years. You're not even attempting to engage in real discourse.
>>741290923>still no argumentThis is why you lost bootlicker, getting angry won't change that
>>741290857because people who finance bad companies deserve what they get.
>>741290895See, this is the kind of gaslighting I expect from corporate america.>"PROTECTIONS?? PFFT. YOU DON'T WANT THIS, CONSUMER! DON'T YOU HAAAAATE WOKE GAMES???"
>>741290895>nobody's yearning to ever bring back any of the woke western flops this decadeThat doesnt justify corporations just yanking it away and pretending it never happened, retard.
>>741288223>foreign corpo alliance bribing officials is GOODAnon... you are supposed to lick the boot, not deepthroat it.
>>741290968ACKtually, the vast majority of troons are autistic males
>>741291025THE BOOTS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE. YOU ARE SHILLING FOR CORPOS. THERE ARE NO BOOTS ON THE SIDE LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR RIGHTS
>>741290923>>741290985>no uOh I didn't even know this was the same tranny spamming lolAre you the only one left pushing this now?
>>741290774I notice how you pointedly avoided addressing the posts asking why corporate lobbies have to be private and off record. Now why would that be?
because its a bunch of pissbabies whining about something that just annoys everyone else
>>741291052if they're yanking games no one cares then who's really losing?"Nooooo I can't play Concord or Suicide Squad KTJL"it's just a silver lining
>>741291074Only 30% of troons have autism>>741291110But you are bootlicking for the EU, bootlicker. You can't bootlick for a corporation
>>741291149>pissbabiesDo shills really think they blend in saying this?
>>741288285As always: because judeoanglos (here the US via the ESA) can't tolerate Europe not being maximum shit.
>>741280073Because the EU consists of unelected kikes, and has nothing to do with Europe. Its sole purpose is the erosion of European industry and power, and the destruction of its homogeneity. This silly little thing was a convenient distraction, and the demoralization and vexation it causes in the white-nerd is beneficial to EU. On top of this, fantastic opportunity for unelected EU jews to take bribes from gaming companies.
>>741291110THE EU DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE "RIGHTS" OF ITS SUBJECTS LMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>741288857SureAnd if you design a product to break and/or throttle, you should be charged with fraudBoth can and should be true
>>741291207>But you are bootlicking for the EUThe fuck are you TALKING ABOUT? This isn't about promoting EU in any shape or form. It's hoping that corporations are forced to make things better through legal pathways. Jesus, you have no logic skills at all.
>>741291038>>741291052terrible games shouldn't be made, let alone preserved
>>741290857because one day I might be the one who gets to treat others like shit
>>741291218The SKG shills?
>>741291289This would preserve good and bad games. All games should be preserved and then we'll have the power to pick through the ones that are worthwhile. You shouldn't have corporations deciding what you can play in the future AT ALL. That should be YOUR RIGHT.
>>741291264Oh absolutely, I have no idea why video game developers get away with it
>>741291191>if they're yanking games no one cares then who's really losing?Why do they get a free pass to just yank purchased and sold games away in the first place? If you're not a corporate stooge, answer the question.
>>741291325>no uYou kikes can't even damage control when you out yourselves.
>>741288285>>741291257The EU is not Europe or the Europeans. The EU is a clique of unelected jewish bureaucrats with a lot of powerless yapheads from various European governments (sent there so as to not meddle in domestic affairs; to be rendered impotent, but well paid)
>>741291276Yet you're the one who lost the argument bootlicker. And this thread is literally about the EU shooting this down.This is why you always lose, learn how politics works before you start screeching like a retard
>Japs are also against this
>>741280073it was very un-libertarian
>>741291412>Take it to parliament and amend the DFA>NOOO YOU LOSTFunny how you're the one talking about politics
>>741291390*the powerless yapheads take the fall for anything the unelected jews do. And only the unelected jews have any power in the EU
>>741291387>no uJews invented communism, bootlicker. Trying to talk like you're from 4chan isn't fooling anyone
Shills are mass reporting pro-SKG posts on twitter lmao, they must be really upset this decision came too late to stop SKG and it already has Parliament support.
I wish terrible things on the kind of person who trolls and opposes rights for a laugh, just because you sense you can get a cheap fight online. You people are absolutely fatherless.
>>741291383was there a good reason to keep Concord and Marathon up?SKG is a lot better in an alternate reality where the games are actually worth preserving despite having online features
>>741291463Yes you lost bootlicker. That's why you're seethingGamers wonSKG shills lost
>>741291490>Trying to talk like you're from 4chan isn't fooling anyoneAnd calling people pissbabies immediately outs you as a tourist.
>>741280073I heard it was a huge success and even EA Ubisoft bent the knee?
>>741291528>>741291524Why do trannies make things up when they lose? Estrogen pills?
>>741291585Being a tranny is what outed you as a discordtroon tho
>>741291543>was there a good reason toThe quality of the product is completely irrelevant.I'll give you one last chance to answer the question and prove you're not a corporate stooge. Why do they get a free pass to just yank purchased and sold games away in the first place?
>>741280073It literally hasn't, stop doomposting faggot
It should've been called "let us save games" and not "stop killing games"Making hosting a private server legal.
>>741280226Only really young people are retarded enough to believe greedy jewish corporations have a birthright that gives them power to fuck over the people over and over selling the same game over and over and over at full price to the person who already bought it.
>>741280073Communism's appeal lies in moral intuitions about fairness and ending exploitation. Yet it systematically fails to deliver prosperity or liberty because it misdiagnoses coordination in complex societies. Mixed economies with rule of law, property rights, competition, and targeted safety nets have empirically better outcomes for human welfare. Understanding these patterns requires examining incentives, evidence from history, and economics—not just intentions.
>>741291602Not a success, but people knew that the Commission was gonna be cocksuckers and so they planned ahead and got the support the MEPs so now the Commission doesn't matter.>this is what shills are trying to pretend is a loss
you guys that are in favor of these changes really need to make a comprehensive list of good games that people can't play anymore because they took the servers offline. make an image that you can post in every thread and actually get people mad that they can't legally play certain good titles anymore. nobody cares otherwise. it's crazy to me that people still don't understand that you need to piss people off about a past they can't have anymore in order to make them want a different future
>>741291676>the quality of the product is completely irrelevantsonion you just yearn for goyslop now
>>741291550>YOU LOST!!!!Ross explained the politics better than you. Let that sink in.
>>741291607>>741291670>if I say tranny enough, I'll fit inIf I was your employer I would dock your pay with how much you suck at shilling.
Reddit only chuds are against SKG
>>741291543>>741291191>>741291775And there we go.One question, three chances, avoids acknowledging the corporate overreach every single time.Corporate stooge officially confirmed.
>>741291771>if you can't find past good live service games that could be saved then you shouldn't care about owning products you paid for with your own moneyThis retarded narrative has run its course and it just sounds more retarded with each passing day.
>>741288223>shut your "ackshually we are a republic" ass upYou're misunderstanding the argument. The idea of the "we are a republic, not a democracy" is that if we were a democracy, it would mean that the founding fathers intended for us to have general elections with universal suffrage. However, being a republic does not require there to be elections, and if we were not a democracy, it means we can just remove the elections or restrict them and it would be still like how founding fathers intended.TO SUMMARIZE:What you're claiming: we're a republic and a democracyThe current state: we're a republic and a democracy (at least de facto)What we're claiming: we were intended to be a republic, but not necessarily a democratic one. Today we're a republic and a democracy. But we want to get rid of democracy, and it's not a violation of the will of the founding fathers, because they intended the country to be a republic, but not necessarily a democracy. Also we do know that being a republic and being a democracy isn't mutually exclusive.
>>741291861>lose argument>no u>calls everyone a corporationI'm glad these SKGtrannies lost
>>741291771thanks for putting this perspective i had into these words. it always struck me odd that SKG is seemingly for games that should've never had online features to begin with.
>>741291890giving concrete examples about shit you can't have anymore is far more effective than asking people to engage in hypotheticals about games that may or may not shut down in the future that they may or may not buy. i'm trying to help you stupid faggots
>>741289431That's not what I'm against, I'm against applying this idea to multiplayer games.
>>741291890live service games aren't products. they are closer to licenses and subscriptionsyou can't even own a copy of league of legends or the average gachaslop
>>741291771anon the popular support part was done ages agothey didn't need games, they needed a villain
>>741292110I think we should just do what we want and leave the midwits on the side of the road. I don't think we need their help.
>>741292117He's not going to make an actual argument, he's a shill that makes the same post over and over again, see >>741289670
>>741291771>you guys that are in favor of these changes really need to make a comprehensive list of good games ... on /v/?Did your mother drop you as a baby?Repeatedly?Any vidya list you could make will result in the thread being 99.9999% retards & contrarians criticizing your taste and saying they are glad those games are gone. Literally doesn't matter the games, even ones not concerned by SKG.
>>741291890That's not what he said at all...
>>741292192>>741292110Thats great because we aren't going to help you low IQ bootlickersLearn what intellectual property is then go get blown out by the EU again
>>741292168>muh licensedon't care
>>741292053>gets exposed>WAAAH YOU LOST!!!!Kek and now the corporate stooge is mad!
>>741292261I'm not saying that's what he said. I'm saying the retarded narrative he was mentioning is retarded independent of his context for bringing it up. I think he understood that based on his reply.
>>741292117>I'm against applying this idea to multiplayer games.Let me host my own server like CS let you.It's that simple, and it's only when the publisher no longer will support any servers.
>>741292337>no uThis is why the EU laughed at you trannies
holy shit you guys actually can't name any good games that would be saved by this
>>741292272>we...did you just admit to being a midwit? lol>then go get blown out by the EU againsee>>741288878Things are literally going ahead as if nothing changed.
When will you learn, no petition, no matter who runs the petitioning system, will ever produce ANY result. To get the TRUE power you need to be the one who decides the agenda of the legislature. In parliamentary systems, that usually the Speaker + the Prime Minister, on the basis that the PM appoints other Ministers, who together all form the Government. The Government then introduces laws into the national legislature, the Speaker, who is hopefully aligned with the Government, puts it on the legislative calendar, and the Parliament votes on it along party lines.The Parliament is just a fucking ratification chamber, the PM personally determines which laws pass, because he or his friends (Ministers) introduce them, and his followers (MPs from the same party) just blindly vote for it.
>>741292470Any game with a master server. AVP2 had one, but fans stepped in to make a new one when it died, thankfully.
>>741292470i doubt today's devs are capable of making games worthy of SKG's protection anywaySKG as it is is seemingly for a dying game design
>>741292470see>>741291383
>>741292470Every single game, retard.
>>741292810Every single good game is still playable regardless of SKG, what do you mean?
>>741288223>No, lobbying is not against democracy>using money to outweigh actual votes is not against democracythe absolute state of americans
>>741292470https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list>All of those games are SHIT so I win this time :)You don't get to decide what games I like gayboy
>>741291543>SKG is a lot better in an alternate reality where the games are actually worth preserving despite having online featuresOr this reality to prevent actual good games to get made in the future that aleo rely on a central server>inb4 if they get made that way then they arent goodSouls games are already one step away from relying on a central server, and dont you dare pretend that 90% of /v/ wont be buying it regardless if it wasSouls games online features are already set up almost exactly like The CrewI care about this initiative because I dont want a future where games or series I like end up going this way, it doesn't matter if all the games that are currently the problem are dogshit
>>741291383the games are so bad they would yank it anywaynot a single soul is asking gearbox to bring back the saints row reboot, neither is forspoken being asked to be put back in storebe fucking realistic
>>741293013>the games are so bad they would yank it anywayThat's not their choice to make, cuckold
>>741280073why is it the idea of making a game with peer to peer or do literally anything to make it playable such a "terrible" thing that causes people to come out of the woodwork and say dumb shit?
>>741292869Not the games I like, retard
>>741293001the reality is every other game with online is bad anywayif this was about movies, no one is gonna bring back zegler snow white, or literally anything disney touched since 2010
>>741292972>>741293108Stop liking shitty gamesSkill issue
>>741293095the devs are responsible for making the games as such, ask them to not bother integrating any form of online multiplayer unless that aspect can be easily maintained by the players at their own will
>>741293013>>741293171>those games deserved to die anyway!Every time with corporate shills
SKG will not succeed for the simple reason that what it's trying to do is unprecedented. Never in history of any consumer software there was a need to make it keep working in any way after the company who made it goes bankrupt. Yet, that's what SKG is trying to do, forcing the devs to develop some solution (either from the start or only after the decision to sunset the game is made) to ensure that the game is playable after the support ends.
>>741292470
>>741293132>>741293171Nope all the games I like are good and deserved to be playable even if the companies suck. You're wrong and like dogshit games.Gonna keep pushing for SKG deal with it corpo cock sleves
>>741293202the corporate shills wanted those woke flops to succeed to begin withSKG is fighting for woke scraps, it honestly looks more pathetic the more you actually look at the video game industry as it isI agree with SKG, but the problem is literally no game except The Crew has ever been used to defend this movement
>>741293198>>741293235>people come out of the woodwork and say the dumbest shit
>cheering at the prospect of not owning anything and failing to do anything about itwhat?why are people happy about this exactly?
>>741292117Live service games were explicitly excluded from the proposition.>>741292196Corpo shill calling a consumer aware of just how much he is being fucked over a shill. That ESA paycheck isn't worth what little soul you have left.
>>741293256SKG isn't retroactive
>>741293312>literally no game except The Crew has ever been used to defend this movementsee >>741292972
>>741293132Every OTHER game, so you agree there are some that should be saved?Would the next Souls game, a series that receives universal praise even on /v/, be bad by default for relying on a central server? Youre also not even adressing the possible outcome of future GOOD singleplayer games relying on a central server for no good reason
>>741293336And how is forcing devs to keep the games playable forever going to help with digital ownership? That's an entirely different matter
>>741293235well, it is the dev's responsibility to make their game playable in the very sense of the word. whatever makes LAN parties possible used to be a good way to do that but all of them decided nowadays they're either above that or they don't know it at all
>>741293361I dont give a shitThey did us dirty with this gameWhat the fuck capcom
>>741293235>consumer rights protections don't existRetard
>>741293395>how is being able to use the thing you purchased owning things
>>741293379not enough games worth to justify it
>>741293336what's so difficult about understanding that I simply do not believe that:1. You're ought to be able to play the game in a way that the developer/publisher doesn't want you to2. You're ought to be able to play the game when the developer/publisher doesn't want you to3. You're ought to be able to host your own servers when the developer/publisher doesn't want you to?It has nothing to do with ownership for me, it has everything to do with the fact that the developer/publisher has the right to determine how their product is used.
>>741293336Communism losing is always cause for celebration.
>>741293395>Forcing devs to keep servers on foreverPoint to where that's asked for in any of the material for SKG
>>741287849I can't imagine shilling like this without getting paid, hopefully this anon is actually benefitting from this and not just a neckbeard virgin who got propagandized into protecting his masters.
>>741293543Who are you quoting? Certainly not me
>>741293463So youre fine with losing games you personally like forever because you don't think those few make saving all of them worth it?Still not adressing the rest of my posts about possible future games btwGuess thats on me for trying to effortpost with a shitposter
>>741293395>keep the games playable foreverI hope you fags keep dying on this hill. It will reveal to everybody just how retarded your side is and it will ensure SKG keeps winning.
>>741293395>forcing devs to keep the games playable forever
>>741293395>the humble peer 2 peer:devs can afford hd models and pronouns but not a way to play online locally?
>>741293587Let me guess, you also believe in conspiracy "theories" about Jews?
did it fail?
>>741291753>Commission was gonna be cocksuckersAny EU citizen with even fleeting knowledge of Ursula von der Leyen knew that Commission is gonna do jack shitThank God the actual members of the Parliament stood fast and joined the initiative
>>741287646I've got another one for you: what's the difference between a popular democratic figure, and a populist demagogue? Nothing. Democracy is a sham intended to
>>741280216an ugly bastard is currently the us president so that ain't it. mold man just didn't have the money to compete with jewbisoft.
>>741293472So you're against modding on principle then?
>>741293590>who are you quoting> >>741293395>forcing devs to keep the games playable forever you cant even read your own posts
>>741293627nobody likes wokeslop, let alone personallythere's barely any good games where the online is good that is within the eligible timescope of SKG
>>741288825Here's how Bernie can still win!
>>741293361Doesn't change the fact SKG would have protected good games.
>>741293725I didn't say anything about any servers though?
>>741293690*intended to turn your anger towards other people rather than the leaders, by promising you another chance to "change leaders" in a few years, so you remain passive and keep hoping for a change that will never happen
>>741293660nope>>741288825>>741288878https://youtu.be/CgoODQFrPgw?si=9ejtygAbZYLjndbN
REMINDERTHE CORPORATE SHILLS ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE THAT WE LOST AND WE SHOULD FORGET ABOUT THIS WHOLE ISSUETHEY ARE BEING WAY MORE OBNOXIOUS THAN USUAL BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAIDNONE OF THIS EU COMMISION SHIT MATTERS, WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPENTHE REAL BATTLE WILL BE WHEN THE PARLIAMENT IS AMENDING EXISTING LAWSIGNORE CORPORATE SHILLS, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TALKING ABOUT SKG ANYMORE
>>741293748>Good game>Current yearSuch as?
>>741293736>have majority MEP support>somehow can't winRetard.
I just can't wait for the consequences of SKG. US will ignore, but EU will adopt with minor changes like forced gender identities to protect the consumer. SKGers will accept no blame for this when it comes also.
>>741293472I purchased the product, I get to use the product, if the companies won't allow me to use my product after they inevitably shelf it(they will)with 0 way for me to use said product, I WILL CALL THEM GARBAGE.We HAD this, they took it away because people would rather play their favorite games than NEW THING.I SERIOUSLY HATE how we are going backwards in technology just so they can sell us skins and mods and everything else under the sun and then shutter it to do it again with another game.Like for fucks sakes, you have nothing but dozens upon dozens of examples of older games and somehow newer games come out without textchat, without lan capabilities, closed environment so you can't mod so they can sell skins, and this isn't even mentioning the fucking general UI or gameplay aspect that they CONSISTENTLY FAIL to keep basic fucking features.
>>741293710Obviously if the devs don't want you to mod it, then I would be against it. Although I wouldn't necessarily support legal action from the devs against the modders if it's kinda disproportionate, in the sense that if the mods do not tarnish or modify the reputation of the game, do not reduce the revenue for devs/publisher, etc, then I feel like legal action would be excessive
>>741292470Name a good game that doesn't need to be saved by this.
>>741293761>neoantisemitismlameyou only hate jews now because it's popular to, you're not a real antisemite
>>741280073Because they changed the name
>>741293648>locallythis shit was already figured out 25+ years agoWith a thousandth of the resourcesAnd a thousandth of the headcountAnd a thousandth of the available networking documentationPublishers are just being intentionally obtuse
>>741293818>N-NOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT!If it would have protected a good game in the past, it would protect good games in the future. What about this is so hard for you to understand? There is no actual rule that every game post 2026 is going to suck. This is just a cope so you can pretend it's good that we have less rights than we should.
>>741293876Name a good game that's already fully playable forever that would benefit in any way from this
>the EU commission is the EU parliament
>>741293872But the courts are retarded and people have been sued for "damages" done by bad reputation, you are actually just a retard who wants less rights for yourself
>>741293927So you can't actually name one
>>741293736>applying judeo-angloamerican principles of how politics work onto EU
>>741280073Politicians don't care about the will of the people and democracy is shit even if you manage to get an unreasonable amount of signatures.
>>741287646Bribing and corruptions are concepts of the evil and backwards "East Europeans and Turd Worlders". We in the west are so progressive and fair with our lobbying system.
>literally asking the government for more babysitting>ummm ackshually it's for the interest of the peoplelmao yuros are delusional
>>741293824I would be willing to bet it won't win. But first we have to determine what is considered winning because we don't know what specific law are they going to try to pass, they may pass an SKG law that only requires the devs to communicate to the buyers that it's a live service and may be shut down at any time - we need to decide if that's considered "SKG winning" or not, and similar other situations.
>>741293876literally any good singleplayer offline gameSKG doesn't affect emulation
>>741293979>You don't have a list of all future games coming out? I guess that means I win :^)
>>741280073As a game dev, why should I support this?God forbid one of my older games becomes unplayable on newer hardware, am I going to be forced to work on patches to get them playable again? What about discontinued online services?
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>>741293759Oh so you acknowledge that there is a feasible technical argument for making games playable after servers are shut off but STILL claim that not destroying a product has nothing to do with digital ownership?Your argument went from inability to read to having no cognitive function at all, well done.
>>741294004>don't use your government for what is was meant for>instead shut the fuck up and take the corporate cock in your ass like a good little goybrilliantcongratulations, you're such a big boy free thinker
All of you retarded niggers aren't getting to the main problem. How do we punish Ross?
>>741289994>actually factually illiterate anongood for you!
>>741294004>ask for completely reasonable thing that was easily done in the past>get told i'm delusionalit's crazy how simply having a lan option is "delusional", it's only because they want everything completely locked down that they don't allow these options
Didn't fail, said they weren't going to introduce new legislation but SKG potentially falls under existing legislation which they can amend to cover the gapsQuit parroting game journos that have a vested financial interest in being doomniggers about consumer rights
>>741294090>weNYPA, niggerfaggot
>>741293974What do courts have to do with this, I'm saying that I would consider it to be a morally bad thing to try to sue a modder who didn't do shit to the reputation of the game, but nonetheless if the developer/publisher doesn't want you to mod, I would be against it
>>741294036Short of it is, no you wouldn't be responsible for any of that. You end support for your game, you leave it in a state that is deemed "reasonably" playable at the time you stop support.
>>741293660Yup. Turns out botting a petition isn't enough to get laws changed, just like chopping off your dick doesn't make you a female.
>>741294086you could already play your dead games offline if you were smart enoughguess this proves yuros really are dumb
>>741294132If you have any self-respect, you would agree with me that he needs to be punished for wasting everyone's time.
>>741291936yeah bro the founding fathers only believed the landed male gentry should get a vote not like athens that had univeral suffrage OH FUCKING WAIT NO IT DIDN'T
>>741280073>Why did it fail?A certain group of people.
>>741294020>because we don't know what specific law are they going to try to passWe actually do.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Fairness_ActIt's this law that once it gets passed that they plan to amend and add SKG stuff to. Even if they can't add SKG specific stuff into it (even though they have majority support already), the law will be vague enough to where they can create lawsuits appealing to the normal DFA law.
>>741289994Asking unironically: is there anything unusual about the Commission meeting behind closed doors with industry members? I don't see it as anything bad if that's something they regularly do in the process of drafting bills or in the process of any other work. Why is this being brought up?
>>741293824>>741293981I'm feeling the Bern! Match me!
>>741294093>can't answer the questionDamn, that was easy.
>>741287646Lobbying isnt legal, but whenever they are busted they'll just pay a low "i'm sorry" fee and are free to lobby for another year.
>>741294004Why would I not want the government to babysit the elite who have power wielding that power over us? It is my individual rights I want to protect, not the power of the corporations who run the world and own basically every comppany to fuck me in the ass. To them, freedom is how hard they can fuck the citizens without lube.
>>741286252Shalom.
>>741294152Yes, clearly you would accept anything the "developers" say even if it is worse for you. I don't see how this isn't obvious to you, but I guess that's because you're just shitposting and not actually "arguing" anything.
>>741294291If there is nothing unusual then they can be transparent and show everybody what they're discussing. The government has nothing to hide, right?
>>741294273I meant that we don't know what specific SKG-related text they're planning to add because (I assume) the DFA by itself doesn't have any SKG-inspired provisions in it, and the issue that talked about in my previous post can't be through the text of DFA (I assume)
>>741294291>>741289994two points:this anon is not arguing that that one meeting was corrupt, they're saying lobbying as a concept is corruptthat's retarded, because by definition you walking up to your congressman and talking about what you want is lobbyingSecond, no it's generally not strange for members of a regulatory body to attend an industry convention nor is it weird for the convention to be invite-only. Whether or not bribes happened at the convention is a completely separate thing.
>>741280216People won't like it but this is it, especially the fact he wasn't "proper" during his speech at the EU.They're the most retarded vain people on Earth, so they wouldn't take it seriously and just throw it away to do less work.
>>741280073>Gamers: "Stop killing games, we'll pay you and even run them ourselves">Industry: "No, I'd rather have you pirate them"How does that even work?Isn't everyone losing in this situation?
>>741289994>lobbying means talking to your rep not corruption, they're two different words>if that's the definition why did someone have a meeting off the recordThat makes no sense and you're stupid.Hey how did you find out about this off the record meeting?>the official recordlmao
>>741294441Some people will always have more influence than others. The concept is not democratic.
>>741294353because the government will overreach and implement shit like ID verification where you have to scan your face? or did you forget that EU already did that
>>741294536most (the majority of the West) of the "Industry" hates gamers to begin with and never bothers making games worth pirating
>>741294409I mean meetings can be closed door purely because there's no requirement of any kind for them to be open. I assume the Commission wouldn't do additional work to make sure it's open if there's no such a requirement, even if they have nothing to hide
>>741294025>>741293941holy shit you guys actually can't name any good games that doesn't need to be saved by this
>/v/ is suddenly full of corporate bootlickerssad
>>741280073glad to see this fail, i remember supporters of it were harassing everyone who said anything negative of it
>>741294536They want those games to disappear so you are forced to purchase new thing, companies HATE seeing their new game fail to reach the same numbers as their older games.
>>741294551>communicating with the person you've appointed as your representative is not democraticYou're a dipshit.What you're trying to say is that corruption and bribery are bad.Lobbying organizations do a whole lot of bribery and corrupt shit.That doesn't change what lobbying is.It's like calling Baseball gambling because sports books exist. Gambling certainly happens around Baseball, but the Baseball itself isn't the gambling.
>>741280073>make reality follow my delusions, government>you are a neet and are not entitled to the labour of others for free, anonSimple as.
I hope any new legislation that SKG passes is as punitive as possible.It's what corporations justly deserve for their lobbying.I'm sincerely praying for anyone against this to burn in eternal hellfire.
>>741294530Being proper is mere illusion. Behind closed doors all these politicians are drug and sex addicts, pedophiles and whiny retards. They have caught Macron and Starmer doing cocaine. They maintain decorum just as an illusion to pretend they aren't corrupt and evil degenerates.
>>741294719where have you been kiddo?Commission declined to propose anything, petition's done, go home.
>>741294663not having any government meddling is freedom albeit. This applies both ways where you take a game that a shit dev forces you to play online and you make it offline and they can't do shit about it. You don't need daddy parliament to enforce that
>>741294784That's wrong, they still have another avenue to try, but they won't succeed there either
>>741294580Not just a government thing. Right now I am locked out of my Twitter account until I let the Epstein list trillionare scan my biometrics.
>>741294685I see generally how this might be the case, but wouldn't kill games also kill all the good will of those willing to go through the whole rigamarole of setting up a private server while at the same time not affect the sales of consoomers that would've bought the new product anyway?
>>741294541>Hey how did you find out about this off the record meeting?Because they have schedules of the meeting occurring on openlobby.eu and who attended but not the details of the meeting.
>>741294689>non sequiturLiterally kill yourself.
>>741294830>they still have another avenue to tryWhat, begging parliament to propose legislation anyway?If that were viable the petition wouldn't have been necessary.If the political will were there the commission wouldn't have gone "you kids are cute now go play"
>>741294605>the law conveniently allows closed door meetings so it's not weird they aren't transparent with them>additional work to make sure it's openYou've completely entered ridiculous territory.
>>741294832It would have to incentivize players that the new thing is worth purchasing then. Oh no what a terrible reality.
>>741294835So you found out about this off the record meeting by looking up the public official record of the meeting.Got it.You are a very smart and rational person who is really on to something.>>741294890You don't know what a non sequitur is.
>>741294536This is what I don't understand.The company could even KEEP SELLING THE GAME after they shut down servers for it. They'd keep racking up the money from sales, while not even needing to keep the servers up themselves. How is this not a win for them? Surely additional sales will outweigh the cost of simply implementing an end of life plan early into the development.
>>741294832They have to develop the game WHILE ON A LOCAL NETWORK, it's literally a step they can just turn off, they can literally just have the server not call into an empty void but they chose to do so because FUCK YOU.
>>741294979>So you found out about this off the record meeting by looking up the public official record of the meetingNon-sequitur, retard.
I sincerely hope SKG gets told to fuck off everywhere just for the sheer amount of assrage it would cause
>>741294979Stop posting glowie. You are being too obvious now.
>>741294905>What, begging parliament to propose legislation anyway?They want a MEP to propose an amendment to the Digital Fairness Act, which will be proposed to the European Parliament by the European Commission this year>If that were viable the petition wouldn't have been necessaryI think they came up with this strategy only after the petition was created>If the political will were there the commission wouldn't have gone "you kids are cute now go play"Perhaps, I don't know about that. Either way, I don't believe they'll succeed in passing the amendment
>>741295034I'm sure that's the only reason :)
>>741295021>They have to develop the game WHILE ON A LOCAL NETWORKThat's not really how it's done anymore, no.Development is usually done on a VPN and/or a web-based platform attached to a data center.
>>741295034>I hope bad things so people get madYou are 100% brown and you will die brown.
>>741294829Obviously megacorporations have no coercive power whatsoever. Mafia are also a myth and shit.
>>741294979That tranny doesn't even know what lobbying is
>>741295085>they want an MEP to propose an amendment....So yes, begging Parliament to enact legislation despite the commission throwing out the petition.That's not an avenue, anon. That's the SKG "organization" desperately trying to still exist, probably because they've got some retard donors giving them cash.
>>741295148What does that have to do with that post?SKG shills can't make a single argument
>>741280073im laughing big time at all the retards who want to revive their dead shit games
>>741280073Of all very important issues afflicting modern society to lobby about, zoomers pick some eceleb's pet project to keep concord alive for perpetuity. Or rather, it was picked for them.
>>741294663>muh amerimutts don't care about consumer rights and promoting communism like us Europeons!>y-you say SKG failed ....? i-i-it must have been those americans living in Europe!
>>741280073Turns out civic inniciatives can't compete with the power of lobbying.
>>741294924How is it ridiculous? The additional work in question is writing the records, finding a place, etc.>the law conveniently allows closed door meetingsI don't see anything unusual about invite-only meetings. Don't even the committees of the parliaments of countries have hearings with lobbying groups, associations, etc. when they're working on amendments to a bill? Admittedly, these might be public and not private, but it's not that hard to imagine that the Commission might have similar rules, since they're the one who write the laws before their introduction to the EU parliament, just without the "public" part because the Commission is not a legislature after all.
>>741295059>zigger pretends he's pro-Western Valueslol
>>741295095>>741295105This world is going to shit anyway, may as well get some entertainment out of itNow seethe for my enjoyment :)
>>741280073Lobbying money beats the people voice
>>741295250You think this is the first time this has happened?This is the transition from phase 2 to phase 3 where it just becomes a bunch of angry kids being radicalized
>>741280073It will go on without the comission.
>>741295352The EU was never Democratic in the first placeIts going to be funny now that trannies have discovered the term "lobbying" though
>>741287646Lobbying SHOULDN'T be legal. It's entire fucking concept is taking money and funding policy movement. This is DIRECTLY overriding your voting and representation.Lobbying is corporations paying law-makers and government to get their needs met even if they step on yours.THAT'S LOBBYING.And the reason they get away with it is because the average person is too fucking RETARDED to realize this and come together with their community to throw these mother fuckers into a gas chamber.YES, MOST LOBBYING IS JEWISH. IT'S A FUCKING ZIONIST CONTROLLED MOVEMENT. BOTH DEMS AND REPS ARE ZIONIST CONTROLLED.THEY DON'T EVEN FUCKING HIDE IT.
>>741295459Wait till' they figure out that it's not happening in some random boardroom of corpos, but directly in the parliment itself.
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>>741295205I don't know, I honestly thought from the start, the moment I've heard that they have this idea, that it's a more serious and more likely to succeed approach than a petition, because petitions ultimately always get ignored, while participating in a legislature is a much more serious move. There are some concerns that I've seen on other websites and in some previous SKG threads that because of article 294 of TFEU (it's pretty short, you can check it out), passing an amendment won't be simple at all if the European Commission disagrees with the amendment. I struggle to understand this article, I don't know if it's true or not
>>741295540>Lobbying SHOULDN'T be legalwait until you hear what the whole SKG thing is lol
>>741295324>I don't see anything unusual about invite-only meetingsOnly someone with a bottom line hinging on this convenience would actually believe this. Because if you're not a corrupt official or lobbyist, you're bottom line would be transparency and the truth.
>>741287646Anon figures out we live in a corporatocracy
>>741295679You stupid faggot. Lobbying itself is a primarily corporate tool for overriding public representation and voting. It literally takes democracy and drowns it in a bucket full of water out back.SKG started because people want to be able to play games past their expiration date. Not see them permanently shut down. You think this is traditional lobbying? Dumbass. It's definitely not, neither in practice or in principle.This is nothing like what corporations are doing to the retard masses every year at all. For one, it's actually real representation of most people. It's not representing purely corporate interest. That's what lobbying fucking is.
>>741295798>>741287646The funniest part of all of this is that lobbying isn't even the big corruption vehicle anymore. It doesn't need to be after Citizens United allowed unlimited campaign donations by corporations into SuperPACs that literally have no oversight.You're tilting at a windmill while a dragon has been burning the countryside for twenty years
>>741295915>Lobbying itself is a primarily corporate tool for overriding public representation and votingNo.Lobbying is any individual or organization asking to speak with a representative.I don't give a shit about how much corruption you think happens within lobbying (and frankly it's peanuts compared to campaign finance, that shit was cracked open long ago), that's what the fucking word means.SKG is a lobbying organization you dumb motherfucker.
>>741295915The intent of the lobby group doesn't change what it is, while I do agree a technocracy free from corporate and public lobbying is ideal, it's not for the reasons you think it is.
>>741295943That was just the next logical leap after corporations gained personhood. That was the real stumble.
why do people think that the European Union isn't democratic? it's completely democratic: the EU parliament is elected by the people directly, the president of the EU commission is chosen by the European council and then confirmed by the EU parliament. The European council consists of heads of government (or heads of state) of EU member states. I don't know how the rest of the members of the EU commission are appointed, but even if the president personally picked every one of them, it would be sufficiently democratic
>>741296031God people like you are the reason Judges are allowed to let criminals rape a new victim every week. >Hey! Leave the multibillion dollar company alone! They're technically NOT committing crime! They're just beholden to investors! They HAVE to be evil! So it's okay! FUCKING KILL YOURSELF.
>>741293818Stop moving the goalpost, you disingenuous fuckwad.
>>741294642>list an old game this would have saved>"SKG ISN'T RETROACTIVE">don't know a list of future games>"I KNEW IT YOU CAN'T LIST ANYTHING"disingenuous prick
>>741296304who are you quoting?I'm literally just telling you that you're wrong about what a word means.Stop having a tantrum about it.Just because corruption is real doesn't mean your dumb ass knows how it works.
>>741296257also, the council of the EU (different thing from the European council) consists of ministers from all member states, specifically one of the same type of minister from each member state. The type of minister is chosen based on what they're voting on probably
>>741296249Thank boomers for that one. They're primarily the most represented generation in government today and it's no wonder everything is absolutely fucking cucked and ruined.Literally the worst fucking people on the planet. And it's not even close.
>>741296257The EU is intentionally designed to be arcane and never taught to the masses, because we all know what happens when "das Volk" gets its way.
>>741296382You can't tell your ass from your fucking face, faggot. Shut your fucking mouth and get that corporate cock out of it.
>>741296398>The EU is intentionally designed to be arcaneIs it though, it's like a parliamentary republic, but with various retardations. They should've made it like a regular parliamentary republic à la Germany desu
>>741291713>>741280073The actual issue is that the people with the movement clearly had no understanding of policy and basically handled the project with the same feature creep as some retarded patreon project. They were against industries with professional lobbyists with actual legal arguments and drafted competence and didn't have the funds or even the mind to try and make a serious effort in acquiring enough funds to actually get some sort of velocity on the project.Their actual policies were halfbaked and when up against actual lawyers basically collapsed instantly. Popular movements have accomplished policy before but it's hard when the ringleader is a r/antiwork tier humanoid autist that insists on doing things their way constantly.Someone in 4 years will probably try it again and putter out the same way because vidyagamers categorically struggle at soulcrushing policy work the same way most creatives have low work drive and most hardworkers are germantier drones. Shits hard and even harder when you don't have money or try to acquire enough money
>>741296436Anon I'm definitely further left than you.The difference between you and I is that I know what words mean and I'm not a gigantic weeping vagina.
>>741296436SKG is literally bootlicking though?
>>741296529Not if you're in the know know
>>741296436No suprise the communist has a pic of one of his fellow bootlickers
>>741296467Actually, this is the actual issue: >>741288650
>>741296467>People in charge of deciding what happens are old and senile>This doesn't get rectified, for some reason.Humanity is actually fucked if there isn't a hard age limit for holding positions of power. If you're in your 50s maybe you should fucking retire and get the fuck out of the way before you cause any damage to youth with your ignorant ass.But then again these people didn't get there without pulling the ladder up behind them, so you know.
>>741293095Paid shills will say whatever they can to disrupt. That's why we keep fighting the same>OH WOW, so you guys think the game developer should keep servers running FOREVER, for FREE, release all their source codes and be held accountable for everything that happens on fan hosted servers?!kind of lies we've fought since day one.
>>741295540>it's not blasphemous, they said>it's just donald trump as a doctor, they said
SKG antis think asbestos poisoning is okay, by the way.
>>741296529They're resorting to no u now that they've lost. They always do
>>741296467
>>741296556>CommunistYou use that word, but I don't think you know what it means.
>>741296529>little guy vs the big corpo is the bootlicker because he's not fighting like a manFucking listen to yourself.
>>741296563>If you're in your 50sWhy, someone has to represent old people too. I would put the age limit at 75 or 80 instead.
>>741296563who are you quotingthat anon didn't say the EU reps are old and retardedhe said Ross is retarded
>>741296643>>741296635>>741296613>>741296594Trannies are having a meltdownStill not a single segment though
>>741296708>segmentDid your jeet English translation software fuck up trying to say 'argument'?
>>741296673Okay thanks for the chuckle.
When did this board become so contrarian?If this was 10 years ago /v/ would've fully supported Stop Killing Games and the contrarian trolls would've been ousted.
>>741296643The European Union is a "little guy"? You bootlickers are hilarious
>>741296643if it was the little guy they would've played their old dead games regardless of what anyone sayslmaoing@you when you try to paint this government power grab as "the little guy"
>>741296778We always disagreed with you normies
>>741296792Nope the little guy is getting the EU to give equal footing with the corpo. For some reason, you think the little guy has to fight corpos on his own.
>>741296692>Green texting is quotingHow fucking new are you holy shit.>>741296778Because 4chan itself, no matter the board, now has actual fucking bots infesting it. There will always be a contrarian to prevent cohesive honest discussion. It's by design because the elite need distraction to get away with what they do.Actually think about it for a second. It's 2026. Do you honestly think everyone posting here is an actual human with critical thought?Of course not, dude.
>>741296857>government power grabOnly a seething corpo mad they don't have an iron grip on the government would say shit like this.
>>741296643The actual "Little Guy" here are the custom server developers who would be inevitably fucked by government legislation dictating what they can do.
>>741296908>green texting is quotingYes.That is what green text is for.
>>741296864>WeFuck off, faggot. There is no 'we'.
>>741296879The EU, which steals taxes from all of Europe is going to help the little guy by forcing indie developers to hand over their intellectual property?How is the EU the little guy anon? It's run by a billionaire
>>741296931>I'm the little guy, I'm the little guy, give me more power, I need more attention!
>look up lobbying around the Digital Fairness Acthttps://www.openlobby.eu/initiative/digital-fairness-act>industry has 3 times as many meetings as SKG>these are just the public ones>this is totally fair
>>741296778>everyone who disagrees with me is a troll or a botFuck off, you're like redditors or a twitterfags at this point
>>741280073Legal Chads dunked so hard on skg broke the damn basket. Legal Chads won. Stop killing games fags lost.
>>741296960Actually there is tranny, we don't support normies and you will never be a woman
>>741297047We've definitely reached a point where we should have no uncertainty at what the guillotine was invented for.
>>741296931more like a seasoned "little guy" that knows the government isn't your friend and a monkey's paw on every request. What's wrong with just playing your old game offline instead of asking for legislation to force people to do it?
>>741297054Ironically this bill would have killed games so it's good that /v/ won and troons lost
>>741296951fucking kek>>741296998>forcing indie developers to hand over their intellectual propertylol
>>741297054>Legal chads won! Booyeah!!! Up high, goyim.
>>741297130EU goodWoke corporations goodGamers bad
>All of this fucking corporate boot-licking
>>741297164Tranny isn't even trying anymoreFirst they lost to the EUNow they've lost to /v/
>>741297250yeah it's fucking insane that people think governments are gonna be their friends if they bootlick enough lol
>>741297250>no uYou can't bootlick for a corporation though, the bootlickers support the EUAnd Larry Fink is a billionaire who pushes woke culture and supports the EU you gaslighting tranny
>>741297047>SKG is one of twenty lobbyists asking to talk to this politician>HEY! HOW COME THEY ONLY GET ONE TWENTIETH OF THE TIME!?Grim indeed.You kids are fucking stupid.
>>741289601The senator's right. To get it out of the way, lobbyists are allowed to give "gifts" and pay for dinners that are under set limits and that are recorded online for public viewing. You can go see them right now, they often like italian places.But the more concrete issue, the issue that the senator was likely emphasizing in his own mind, is the word educated.A senator, and Congress as a whole, has a brain problem. Yes, really, and not in the way you think. Congress has gutted their own ability to do research and policy over the past decades. Congressional interns quit instantly after the minimum time often because the job sucks. Even freshman congressmen are leaving at surprising rates in the modern day. So congressmen are tasked with knowing biotech, AI, union rights, foreign policy, construction, and a dozen other fields that they literally cannot know. So why do senators like lobbyists? Could it be because they give them $150 steak dinners? Probably. Could it be because they're intentionally charming people? Also probable. Is it because they give them premade policy that saves them time and more importantly acts as a replacement for a hollowed out policy shop? This is the most dangerous answer because it makes the issue not solvable through more regulation and more scrutiny. After all if you do that the policies would just get worse rather than better because then there'd be no one making anything, often for worse overall. So what's the actual answer? Make senators be able to make their own policy by giving their staff the actual capabilities to do so rather than ignoring the issue and being shocked when affluent actors exploit the issue by making their own policy with their better funded policy shopsBut /v/ wouldn't like that now would they?
>>741297338
>>741296778>why isn't /v/ a hivemind like reddit
>>741297340Oh yeah bro it's every man for himself with those lobbyists, those other 19 guys aren't unified at all.
>>741297370>my anecdote is right>no argument thoughWhat a waste of a post you stupid faggot
>>741297443>what do you mean 1 guy wants one thing and 19 guys want the other? They can't do that! That's not democracy! Democracy is when I get what I want! You can't oppose my ideas in good faith! That's in bad faith!
>>741297396So leftists are wasting taxpayers money?What does this have to do with that post, tranny? See >>741297338
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>>741297534>You can't oppose my ideas in good faith!
>>741280073No games worth playing are being killed.
>>741293810im glad i saved this pic for time and again it proves to be true
>>741290867How is it any different than paying for an experience like seeing a movie in a theater? You can't say that just because a guy makes a movie and screens it in theaters, he's legally obligated to do a home video release on blu-ray, that's insane.
>>741280073Tackled the symptom instead of the cause
>>741280073The will of millions of citizens <<<<<<< The politicians having one meeting with some jewsSame as it ever was.
>>741297697There truly only is one solution.A final solution.
>>741297697>was my policy ask shortsighted and ultimately harmful?>should I maybe take the arguments that defeated it into consideration and craft a more complete proposal?>No. It's the Jews' fault somehow.The thought process would be funny if it hadn't literally caused genocides
>>741296957>implying
>>741297746>1 presentkek
>>741296257bit of a problem when you consider how little a mandate a head of government can actually have
>>741297445Learn to read you retarded faggot it'd probably help you
>>741297789yes, when you green text someone with >implying you are quoting the subtext of their post, the thing they are implyingwhat about this aren't you grasping?
>>741297593Clearly the solution is more government
>>741297807What do you mean?
>>741290696its not just about saving games, its about letting people experience the artistic merit of games in the long term. one to hundreds of people work on a single game, from art and music to the rest. to not be able to experience it, even if its technically poor or whatever, is asinine. its no better than making any other thing just to have it destroyed, all your work gone for no reason.
>>741297746>declaring jews are same as jewswhy does this need a vote?
>>741297883>Trying to get more consumer right is "more government"This is fucking retarded and always will be. By that logic you want less government right? Then give up more of your rights. Fucking dipshits.
>>741293810You remind me of Q-anon.
>>741297593nta but that image is so goddamned stupid it's wild that someone would think they were making a point in the first place and even worse that someone saved and posted it here.
>>741297787You mean like the one Kikes are committing on Palestinians right now?>Open your borders to victims of oppression because you're kind>They genocide you over the course of their stay because they never saw your welcoming of them as kindness, but as weakness>Proceed to have your children raped and killed by the IDFJews don't need people to call for hate towards them. They already do a damn good job at making it happen through their own actions and atrocities.
>>741298124Ok, boomer.
>>741298050>This is fucking retarded and always will be. By that logic you want less government right? Then give up more of your rightsNTA but I want more rights: the rights to mantain and distribute dead games, which the government currently outlaws trough IP, copyright, and patents.You, of course, support this because you are a slave.I do not, because I want more rights, and more rights means less government.
>>741298126>Like the one in Palestine Yes, like that one.>I hate JewsI could tell.Video games.
>>741293810>NONE OF THIS EU COMMISION SHIT MATTERS, WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPENNo, you didn't, until Ross made a video about it less than a week ago. I specifically remember SKG shills on /v/ telling me that there's no way the petition was gonna not result in anything, although that happened when the SKG just got hyped
I get that some people are trolling for fun, but it is crazy that there are so many bots trying to deny this. Ownership is an important battleground, and these companies realize that pushing their industries outside the realm of ownership will inflate their bottom line immensely.Ross already covered the commission denial in a video. The DFA seems like a great avenue, but if it is true that a unanimous council decision can remove an amendment from parliment, then I think we are done here.The EU council is in a mode of trying to attract more businesses. They have stated as such. They are less interested in protecting consumer rights.
>>741298124What do you expect? This is a rejected millennial board where everyone just bickers about things from 10 years ago it's not like they went to law school or anything
>>741298280They're automated bots. Their formula for replying is very clearly that of a shill, too. Anyone can tell they're not human.
>>741297995it simply becomes farcical because the more discretion added to single representatives makes them unrepresentativeit's a meme
>>741298206What the fuck are you talking about?
Interrupting your off-topic /pol/ screeching about Jews, Palestine and Israel, but no the directive did not fail at all, you can figure this yourself from the official response https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/document/download/75d642bc-6ff5-4713-b1cf-14f4aaf15869_en?filename=C_2026_4110_EN.pdfTl;dr they're amending SKG to the end-of-year for 2026 report on the DCD (Digital Content Directive), they're closely monitoring similar gamer's-rights initiatives across the globe, they're aware that the east is moving towards offline versions of service games after they've sunsetted, they don't think they should step in right this second if the industry can iron itself out. They're placing an undue amount of focus on the rights of the IP holders but ultimately hold that IP holder means IP holder and they can do whatever they like with their IP, including sunset it or run it into the ground, but a reminder that refunds for violation of contracts both social and on-paper exist and that the EU does want them to change habits for consumer friendliness. Ubisoft seems to have their tongue in the EU's ear since they also bought the bad-faith argument that "publishers will be financially burdened by being forced to comply with sunsetting rules," but this is one line of text out of a few pages.So, basically, look more to the end of this year on that DCD report for more SKG news. Nothing's actually lost, they're just not introducing new legislation for it at this time. Broadly they've found SKG to be the spirit-of-the-law for existing initiatives and laws already.
We gave up ownership for the convenience of digital. We cannot reverse this. Im not sure the tradeoff is all bad. We get things like game updates and whatnot now. But ultimately it makes every game require a "tether" (even physical), and there will be times when nobody exists to be tethered to.Ultimately there have far more cases when you have lost all your digital movies over games. Everybody who purchased from Playstation Movies and Xbox 360 movies is just SOL (RIP my copy of Bad Girls From Mars), not everything transfers over when services shut down and get "rolled". Like when Ultraviolet shut down and you needed a Vudu account. And nobody cared then. And they won't over children's toys.
>>741298289>Resorts to blatant samefaggingGo outside. It's time to take a breather.
>>741297275I don't expect the person bagging my food at the grocery store to be my "friend" nor do I want my accountant to be my "friend". I want them to do their fucking job. What retarded framing is this where we all have to sing with bongo drums in a circle for it not to count as bootlicking. Framing it as something about "friends" is like making a toddler choose a lawsuit by showing them the friendly puppet and the evil puppet
>>741298206Hey retard, I can already maintain and distribute dead games without some legislation telling me what to do.
>>741280073It did? What happened exactly?
>>741298469Your solution to protect your "consumer rights" from an issue the government created with IP law, is more governmentYou are retarded, you will get even less consumer rights as the government regulates moreWith less or no IP law the issue of killing games WOULD NOT EXIST as everyone would be able to redistribute games in a working state, which right now is illegalFurthermore >>741297593>the government is clearly robbing me blind? Well they should rob blind other people too!No you dumb retard, they should stop robbing YOU blind, you dumb fucking slave. That's what you should be asking.
Man the corpo shills are really desperate
>>741298576EU responded to the petition, no law was proposed and nothing serious was done or promised by the EU
>>741298553Illegally, with the servers being able to be shut down if you are found out.Which is why games are getting killed, if you were right, this issue would not exist.
>>741298714I don't care what the government thinks about it nor has that ever affected how I go about game preservation. I absolutely do not want a government stepping in and saying how games should be preserved, this is just plainly obvious to anyone who actually cares.
>>741298631You never explained how having other consumer rights is "more government" though, but since they are give all of them all up. You won't.>Well they should rob blind other people too!When the fuck did SKG say to rob corpos blind You're literally just making shit up.
>>741298791> I absolutely do not want a government stepping in and saying how games should be preservedThen we agree
>>741298649Maybe they are too busy with Russia for now? After the war end, they will surely go back to this issue.
SKG is some bullshit being peddled by tech-libertarians who believe creators shouldn't have rights to decide what happens with the media/software they themselves create.I'm glad this shit turned out to be a nothingburger in the end.
>>741298831>You never explained how having other consumer rights is "more government"Because I'm saying the opposite, that consumer rights are achieved trough less governmentI don't see why I would explain the opposite of my argument>When the fuck did SKG say to rob corpos blind You're literally just making shit up.I linked the image, which was about taxation, not SKG, before I said this.Look at the linked image, and a new world of context will open up to you.
>>741298050Yeah? The more government there is the less freedom there is, you can see this exact relationship happening right now in the internet. Make the government responsible for random shit like game preservation and you'll keep further eroding freedom and rights.
>>741298649Did they also shut the whole thing down completely?Could their action be temporary, revisited or ask for a secondary response?I didn't expect a law proposal for the very first time around.
>>741298971>SKG>libertariansHow can you be so fucking dumb? If it was libertarians, SKG would be an anti IP movement, not a "more regulations daddy" movement.
>>741280073>Corporations use a bare minimum of their muscles and it's dead.You thought you had a chance lmao
>>741299161>bare minimum of their musclesThey already spent way more on lobbying than it would have cost to simply give SKG what they wanted. And they're gonna keep bleeding money too.
>>741298971>Consumer rights are some bullshit being peddled by anti-corporations who believe people shouldn't have rights to decide what happens with the products they themselves buy.>I'm glad this shit turned out to be a nothingburger in the end
>>741299008I mean I don't think European Citizens' Initiative petitions require anything other than the European Commission formally responding to the petition, so most likely they're done with it. If you want to read the response, here's the press release: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_1369 and here's the full response: https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/document/download/75d642bc-6ff5-4713-b1cf-14f4aaf15869_enYou can also just read some news article insteadAnyway, Stop Killing Games now wants to try another tactic. There's a law coming up called Digital Fairness Act, which itself has nothing to do with the SKG, but they want to try to convince the members of the European Parliament to introduce an amendment into that law to incorporate some Stop Killing Games measures into that law.
>>741284124It's not unrelated at all. The Digital Fairness Act is exactly meant to tackle the question of digital ownership and the imbalances in power between the supplier and consumer in the digital space.And they don't have to rework IP rights. The whole IP rights discussion is a red-herring. And a massive one at that. Books are intellectual property as well. Is it an incursion of book publishers' intellectual property rights that they cannot demand consumers take their purchased books and run them through a paper shredder when the publishers start printing the next sequel to the series? No! Of course it's not.The only problem with IP rights is where the IP rights of an unrelated third party, e.g. a middleware publisher - fuck with a publisher's ability to provide a proper sunset plan by allowing community access to server binaries.Guess what? SKG never demanded server binaries. They would've been perfectly fine even with just the protocol specifications so the communtiy could enlist FLOSS developers to use those specifications to clean-room engineer their own server implementations if need be...
>>741280983no you daft cunt, you're supposed to pay for things you have no ownership or any control over.
someone bake new one
>>741299430>This serious legal implication of our demand is a red herring It's not and that being the official position from Ross is a large part of why SKG has no real seat at the table.You are unserious people making unserious demands.
>>741280073Because even always loses
>>741299430>Is it an incursion of book publishers' intellectual property rights that they cannot demand consumers take their purchased books and run them through a paper shredder when the publishers start printing the next sequel to the series?Books don't have multiplayer servers which need to be hosted, updated, paid for and maintained by the publishers.
>Supposedly the idea of putting SKG stuff into an amendment to the Digital Fairness Act already has majority parliament supportHow much you wanna bet that these parliament members will coincidentally be invited to dinner with (((industry representatives))) to "civilly discuss" the proposed amendment?
>>741299283Thanks for the sources and the detailed post anon. I'll give them a read.I wonder if this response can be repealed by members or if this initiative can be repeated to show a continued importance in the question. I don't think people wouldn't be willing to vote again.
>>741299817No need, if some anons are right, because of the rules in art. 293 of TFEU, the EU Commission can just express a negative opinion regarding the amendment, then the passage of the amendment will require a majority vote of the EU Parliament AND a unanimous vote in the Council of the EU. I don't know if they're right though
>>741299817That support is cope from the SKG org trying to still exist and get paid
>>741299993 (me)article *294
>>741288239> It prevents companies from> selling the rights to maintaining a game's service to private equityNo it doesn't. Server software don't have to be given out under a no-strings MIT or GPL license. They can use a closed license that keeps control with the publisher and limits what the community is allowed to do with the license. Same as what publishers already do for the games themselves.Which means they can still sell the intellectual property to private equity and then if private equity decides to take the game back into active maintenance, it very well isn't end-of-life anymore -- now is it? So there would also no longer be a need for servers to continue to be given to the community.> selling those rights to their competitors so that they can shut it downNo it doesn't. Same reason as above. They are free to sell the property to any other party. Including their competitors. Of course, that does also mean a transfer of liabilities to go with it. Meaning their competitor would at that point become responsible to ensure gamers can keep playing the related game, or said competitor becomes responsible for the fallout of refusing to do so.> just shutting it down themselves to force people to agree to new license terms or buy a new thingYes. It does do that. And that's a good thing. Because *that* actually is a dickbag move from the playbook of planned obsolescence and you deserve having your front teeth kicked in with a steel-tipped boot if you try to pull that one over on honest consumers.
>we'll keep hearing "news" from SKG for years to come from shills who need to justify its existence nowgrim
>>741288825> We call upon you to present a concrete legislative proposal to address the concerns raised.Well that's that then. The EU Parliament's biggest power they have over the Commission is that they can demand from them the drafting of a new bill, and then the Commission must obey.They cannot refuse.
>>741299283>>741299860 (me) I gave a quick read to the provided documents.>First, it will initiate an exchange with the video game industry and consumer representatives with the aim to draw up an industry code of conduct on managing video games' ‘end of life'. I'm not sure I understand the issues about this failing. Isn't this a good, albeit suboptimal direction? A law proposal would have been the best, but starting a discussion is atleast something this could move forward with.If anything, EU citizens could voice displeasure in how these primary and secondary measures are inadequate and the law proposal has to be revisited.Also, the whole segments on IP rights are seemingly retarded, like the commission was bribed instead of making an actual research into the history and the effect of copyright and how it connects to the customers specifically. I don't remember having to tackle IP rights simply for keeping a game disc on my shelf and being able to play it whenever I want.
>>741300369Keep reading the thread>>741298474
>>741296467This so much. Plus the In addition, the petition had completely unrealistic goals from the beginning, for example, the requirement to maintain your own game servers. This goes against all intellectual property rights and would definitely have been used as an example in other IP cases (other than videogames). The petition should have been drafted more precisely and included more realistic goals; companies must announce the closure of servers well in advance (at least 6 months), servers must be maintained for at least a year from the game's release + half a year from the closure announcement, game publishers should always explain in more detail what renting a license means, i.e. what you get when you pay for the game, etc.
>>741300674>This goes against all intellectual property rights and would definitely have been used as an example in other IP cases (other than videogames).God I fucking WISH
>>741300458I think most people unironically expected the European Commission to announce a plan to write a law or something along the lines. So they're disappointed, and the code of conduct is perceived by many to be a voluntary thing that corporations won't necessarily have to follow, although I don't know the details.
>>741289506>it literally states it can be revoked at any time for any reasonEU Directive 1993/13 on unfair contract terms states in its annex a non-exhaustive list of of terms that are always deemed unfair and may not bind the consumer. Among those are any term that has the object or effect of attempting to make an agreement binding on the consumer while continued performance of the contract is subject only to the will of the trader (which is legally defined in the directive as also encompassing the trader's representatives - i.e. the game publisher in this case).This literally means if a publisher puts into their EULA that they reserve the right to end the license at any time for any reason, it voids any terms that aim to make the EULA a binding contract. Which means NOTHING in the EULA binds the consumer anymore, INCLUDING the attempt by the publisher to reserve the right to terminate the license at their will.Instead, one reverts to the basic perpetual usage right that comes with the ownership of a copy of a creative work, as is common in the model of Civil Law on which the legal system of most EU member states is built.
>>741300674>The petition should have been drafted more precisely and included more realistic goals; companies must announce the closure of servers well in advance (at least 6 months), servers must be maintained for at least a year from the game's release + half a year from the closure announcement, game publishers should always explain in more detail what renting a license means, i.e. what you get when you pay for the game, etc.They made it vague on purpose so that every retard could project whatever they wanted onto SKG and convince themselves it was going to happen.I've seen people in these threads who believe part of SKG's purpose is to stop publishers from ever de-listing a game from a storefront at all. When that was never supposed to be what it was about.
>>741289506>>741301171 (cont.)And just to make this very clear: because nothing in the EULA binds the consumer at that point anymore, also the term which states the copy of the software is licensed and not sold, no longer binds the consumer. Which technically means you can do whatever the fuck you want with it at that point, and anyone trying to mess with that would actually run afoul of YOUR property rights at that point.
