https://www.techpowerup.com/350049/steam-machine-performance-benchmark-leak-signals-approaching-launch>saving up to get the Steam Machine to replace my crappy old Acer laptop from 2023>benchmarks start to come out>CPU is weaker than my laptop's(7840HS)>GPU is weaker than my laptop's(4060m)Wait, what? I thought based on the price ($1000+) that this was going to be a powerful or at least midrange system. Even with all the memory fuckery I'm pretty $1000 will get you a stronger laptop than this, let alone a desktop prebuilt
gaming laptop users are not people, it's okay to do anything you want to them
They should make a workstation version for uh rendering.
It's the Ouya all over again.
Yeah I've been saying this for a while that Steam Machine should have came out during RDNA3 launch but now it's too late.
>>741280651It's a piece of shit only defended by rabid valve fanboysRDNA3 in 2026 lmao, no DLSS or FSR4 with poor RT performance on top of that. Oh and 8GB VRAM.
>>741280916It has FSR4 valve and amd both confirmed it
>steam controller 1flop>steam link (stink)flop>'eck'lop>steam controller 2flop>Gabecube...
>>741280724Are laptopfags the steam machine's target audience? I thought it was console users
>>741280939>>741280916Doopity doo poo whoo
>>741280651What's the target demographic for the steam machine?
>>741280989normgroids who dont know any better and fortnite playing kids
>>741280989Steam Fanboys. Same audience as Deck. You can get a better PC or handheld.
>>741280989NuMale oofy-doofys who need something discrete to put under the telly so wife doesn't take away their husband points.
>>741280959who can say? unless valve actually told us the target audience (for example, in an interview) we can only speculate
>>741280651Why is this being treated so differently from any other pre-built pc? That's all it is. If it doesn't have the specs you like then skip it. The fanboyism around it is likewise weird as hell. Stop dragging consolewarfaggotry into pc gaming you chode gobblers.
>>741280989Genuinely this >>741281145Normalfags that don't use steam (or have only a small library of games) are not going to be interested, especially given the all-but-confirmed high price. The casual market will have zero interest. Only fanboys that already own thousands of games on Steam anyway will purchase the Machine. The Deck at least had its own corner of the market before its insulting price hike recently, but the Machine is a complete joke. It'll still sell out the moment orders go live as there's a fleet of fanboys ready to purchase it regardless of the price.
But where's muh steam frame?
>>741280651>an intel i5 from 2021 beats this piece of shitHOLY DOA
>>741281332>price hike recentlyisn't it basically EOS at this point?i like my deck but it's five years old, it lags emulating unicorn overlord on switch for fuck's sake
>>741281376Isn't the Steam Frame in a veryu similar situation when you compare it to the much cheaper Quest 3($300)?
>>741281407Yeah which makes the $300 price increase absolutely baffling. Just discontinue the product by that point, not like they have much stock anyway.
>>741280989people who dock the steam deck all the time
>>741281404>an intel i5retard, i5 is very broad
>>741281463>from 2021
>>741280651Humiliation ritual
>>741281446were you planning to buy one or something?who is complaining about the price of a device they wouldn't buy anywayi don't see why you wouldn't raise the price, your only buyers are guys like collectors anyway afaik
>>741281415Not a valve fanboy but the Quest 3 has the exact same issue that consoles have: it's cheap because they fuck you in some other ways. Also, the steam frame is made for PCVR unlike the Quest, they're extremely different devices, which pisses me off because I wanted Piano vision on my frame but the mixed reality, finger tracking and passthrough of the frame are apparently dogshit
>>741281463An i5 11400, the bottom of the pitThere, you happy you stupid nigger?
>>741281505five year old top end chips have crushed mid-range for a very long time. since at least core duo era
>>741281609very good retard, now you are using your words correctly.keep doing that and you won't get called a retard next time
>>741281527Nah I'm just saying that since the prices are astronomically high, the only people going to purchase a Deck (post-price increase) or the Machine are blind fanboys that would buy regardless of the pricetag. They're both objectively poor value, better-spec handhelds already exists for around the same price of the outdated Deck today, the Machine will be no different as Valve clearly cannot price these competitively anymore.
The spiked prices on storage/memory fucked it, it was meant to be slightly more powerful on paper than the deck, but able to have more robust cooling and make optimization saves elsewhere. Instead it's now WAY over $1000 and barely stronger than the deck. Just crazy.
>>741281376Soon they still need to work on PEX.
>>741281463>>741281669>moronic anon can't keep up with the context right in the OP>ignores anon mentioned the year in his post>which already clearly implies the generation>still calls others retardsfuck off you lobotomized dimwit
>>741281756Even Deck makes no sense now. it's $800 for zen2/rdna2 chipset thats already obsolete.
>>741281585The Quest 3 OS is horrible but not much of a factor if you just use it for PCVR. The local wireless streaming id scary good. Also it's extremely easy to jailbreak, but I appreciate that's not something normies will do
>>741280651T_zels comment sums it up
>>741281816you didn't understand at all.>but i have an i7!! this means it's good!>i5 is bad!this behavior is retarded.something like "budget 2021 i5" is fine. "2021 i5" is retarded.is that simple enough for your pea brain?
>>741281446Ok, entertain me. What would the benefit of discontinuing the product be?If they sell the product at a price you find too high: You won't buy it.If they discontinue to product: you can't buy it.End result is identical. You will not have the product. Yet there are only obvious downsides to the second option because now you can't buy it even if you want to, no matter how much money you are willing to spend. All you can do is hope someone is selling it second hand.
>>741281145yeah a "better" handheld like the neogeo was "better" than the gameboy
>>741280651
>>741281756>it was meant to be slightly more powerful on paper than the deckIt's supposed to be like 6 times as fast, it's not "slightly" more powerful.
>>741282210See >>741282191
>>741282176steam deck is a old piece of shit its like people still going "yeah dude get a psp/vita for emulation".
>>741282042wtf are you talking about?the context is already in the OP, anyone can figure out he meant 11th gen equivalent based on those geekbench result scores.What, do you need to be spoonfed everything like a fucking retard?How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?Although anon is wrong about it being worse than the 11400, it's very marginally better. Still terrible spec for a 2026 prebuilt>>741282067You're right, fanboys will still buy it anyway so might as well keep selling it at a terrible value.
>>741281693yeah if they had lowered prices instead, i could see more people buying it. it's not actually a bad handheld even today. just not worth the same price i paid at launch.i should also point out that it's actually very expensive and difficult to build something in as small a form factor as the steam machine. i have a custom mitx pc with a 3090 and a very small case, you would be shocked how high component prices get when you need them to be very small. i think a lot of guys comparing pc prices are looking at prices for full size towers. if you want a small form factor, you pay a premium. so i think that there will be people who buy the steam machine. actually, i wouldn't be surprised if - if you wanted this form fractor - if 1000 was a pretty decent price for what they are offering.
>>741282282do you know the first thing about cpus?
trolling asidethere were probably going for a $700 price point. You just have to look at the Deck price increase which uses both older hardware and is cheaper. so an $300 increase is an optimistic guess.it's easily going to be stronger than a shitty chastised 4060m, but not much more than that.
>>741282471That doesn't even answer the question, so I ask again: What is the advantage that you perceive in discontinuing?Lets ignore all outside factors, what is the advantage to you personally?
Will we ever see new tech companies come in and replace the existing ones that have abandoned the consumer market?
>>741280651Somehow the only thing good valve has made is steam. Everything else they make is so shitty.
>>741282471The OP refers to the Ryzen 7 7840HS which is actually a fairly powerful laptop spec, it outperforms the desktop 5800X3D in benchmarks
>>741281756>>741281879Valve should never have gotten into hardware in the first place. They tried this before and it was a disaster. Just because proton is miles better now should not have lead to them to make new hardware. The Deck was almost onto something but the (new) Machine is a bad product even conceptually. I hope they learn a lesson to not bother trying to ever release another Steam Machine product again. Steam Controller, Deck 2 (if RAM prices ever unfuck themselves), and Steam Frame are all reasonable products but the Steam Machine is just beyond stupid.PC gamers will just buy/build a PC, Valve are so bad at releasing anything in a timely manner (anyone remember Valve Time?) that the Machine was always going to be multiple generations behind, and now it's getting fucked in the ass by the RAM crisis too. It's a bad concept to begin with, PC gamers play on PC to avoid the concessions that consoles have, and normalfags still don't want it because it is a PC running "icky" Linux on it so they'll be even less familiar with it.The only market for this is the fanboys, genuinely.
>>741282602half lifeportalleft 4 dead
>>741282543>Lets ignore all outside factors, what is the advantage to you personally?more memory back on the market that isn't being wasted on outdated products.
>>741280651>Steam Machine scoring 7,316 points in the multicore test and 2,334 in the single-core test. Ok, but what about the framerates? Synthetic scores are pretty much useless dick measuring.
>>741280651>>GPU is weaker than my laptop's(4060m)You sure about that?
>>741282685the r7 9800x3d isn't even doubling the performance of an r5 7600 which is this thing's vidya performance
>>741282462>"yeah dude get a psp/vita for emulation".to be fair that is the right move to do if you can get them for cheapthe vita can do upwards of ps1 natively with the psp compat layer shenanigans and on actual emulation basically runs everything up to the n64 without problemsfor anything past that, just use another device
>>741280989Youtube tech channels making videos about it.GNU+Linux transexuals who have over 20k hours in tf2Redditors and Xshitter users who boot up an emulated ROM of a Nintendo game(bonus points for Pokemon), take a screenshot of it running the title screen and then farm likes.
>>741282757The SM uses the laptop 7600(underclocked and with a further reduced TDP), you're comparing it to the desktop part
>>741282602>Somehow the only thing good valve has made is a DRM solution that killed physical PC game ownership in the west.No anon, buying shovelware for pennies doesn't make steam good, you should have pirated instead of giving up your physical ownership rights.
>>741282674Steam Deck has only 16GB of LPDDR5 memory and it is a low volume product, the impact this would have is so negligible it wouldn't even show up in statistics under a microscope. There's a reason memory price fluctuations affect it so much more than many other products.
>>741282904steam is incredibly easy to remove especially compared to console drm and more convenient and less intrusive than drm physical had back then
>>741282921sure let's just waste material on e-waste
>>741282609>anyone remember Valve Time?It grew so exponentially that it is now eternal.
>>741283040You don't have to buy e-waste. The production halts the moment nobody is buying it.
>>741282471>anon continues his hallucinationsi spelled it out very simply but even that was not enough.let me try again:>"budget 2021 cpu" good>"intel i5" retardedyou should be able to understand it if i make it this simple, right? maybe i should make a food analogy for you, maybe you'd understand that.it is like if you were to say, "she is such a bad cook, i can even buy better food on uber eats!"
>>741283167how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
you can buy a machine with a 9th gen i9 with a 2070 for like $400 you don't need a steam machine
>>741280916I don't use any of those featuresWhy do you?
>>741283204I usually skip breakfast and have an early lunch
>>741283040You're focusing on something completely irrelevant now. E-waste is a systemic problem with electronic devices and Steam Deck is on the lowest possible end of the issue - actually, it's not part of the issue at all because it's an open system with spare parts for repair available and no hardware DRM to necessitate replacement with new model.The original LCD Steam Deck which had poor design has been discontinue for a while and that was the closest you could argue to it being e-waste given that the motherboard was unreliable and had relatively limited lifespan.
>>741280651they should have released it a year ago for $500. too late now
>>741282890It's still vastly more powerful, even 10% slower you fucking retard.
>>741283284It's outdated spec with mostly non-upgradeable components, how is that not e-waste?There are laptops with better upgradeability/modularity than the Deck.
>>741283235yeah the great thing about intel shitting the bed is their cpus are on fire sale now.
>>741282191Bleak
>>741280651>Gabecube is close to launch that spec leak is happening>Still no HL-X annoucementit's over
>>741283495It's literally just a fucking computer you tech illiterate Luddite. You can use it for whatever the fuck you want from gaming to running an entertainment system in a car to running a web server. The hardware performance is more than adequate for millions of possible use cases without upgrades even if it doesn't fit your personal gaming preferences. You can upgrade the SSD space and also RAM if you really need to.
>>741283774It is too weak for current-gen games and cannot be upgraded.
>>741280989People who want a media PC with a console like experience. I've been using my steam deck as a media PC more or less, since I don't travel as much as I thought I was going to when I bought it (I work in construction). It works fine for it, and I like steamOS, but it's a bit lackluster for TV use so a dedicated steam PC would be nice. If I didn't already have most of the parts needed for a media PC roughly equivalent to the Cleveland steam box already I would be interested in it. The only thing it really lacks is a disc drive for movies, and it'd be smaller than anything I could build.
>>741283774Anon, it's weaker than shitbox laptops from the very early 2020s.If it came with a screen and all that jazz it would be acceptable for a 2022 launch at most.But RDNA 3, 8GB VRAM, for over a grand? This is a straight up scam.
>>741280989I already have 4 gaming capable pc's, but I need 5 and have significant funds in steam and the Steam Deck has been sufficient as a mobile gaming pc. Hoping it comes bundled with a steam controller. If not, I'll probably pick up a frame then so I can do local 2-player VR with the index.
>>741283883we were talking about the deck not the machine lol
>>741283883stay on topic retard
>>741283808I don't give a fuck. Not playing "current-gen games" whatever that even means doesn't make something e-waste. Apple laptops can't play those either. Neither can the latest ultrabooks. Nor can my phone. (although I will admit most phones are dangerously close to being e-waste due to their locked down nature and poor software support, mine included).>>741283883You're confused, we were discussing why Steam Deck should be discontinued. Nothing to do with the Steam Machine. And ultimately I don't care about your performance/price preferences and sensitivity in that case either. It's irrelevant to everything I'm trying to make a point about.
>>741282757don't use these AI slop "benchmark" sites
>>741282807>My 5800x3d is slightly better than what the steam machine hasIt's definitely not going to be using desktop PC levels of power but that's still a pretty decent starting point
VALVESISTERS???? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?????????????I THOUGHT LORD GABEN-SAMA WAS GOING TO KILL THOSE FILTHY CONSOLE PEASANTS WITH HIS GABEBOX???????????????
>>741284048The 4060 M notebook GPU is VASTLY less powerful than a 7600. Doesn't matter what benchmark you use RETARD
>>741284037>Apple laptops can't play those eitherApple laptops are not devices that are purpose-built for gaming (although they are e-waste too), the Deck is meant to be a gaming handheld but its specs are abysmal for current gen. It is e-waste because you cannot upgrade it. Given just a few more years, you'll trash it. It's the same reason smartphones are almost always e-waste as well, the fact you are aware this is true of smartphones but can't admit it for the Deck baffles me. The Deck is hardware-locked (soldered chip); non-upgradeable; e-waste.
>>741281415No 3S was $300 which is a retrofit quest 2. The quest 3 is $600 after they rose the price and you're going to spend another $100-$150 for a headstrap and wifi router. So $700-$750
>>741284349>the Deck is meant to be a gaming handheld but its specs are abysmal for current genJust like the Switch 1 and 2
>>741284417>and wifi router.Don't forget to add a desk and groceries and a parking spot.
>>741284563Agree, which makes it even wilder how much Valve is ripping off consumers with the new pricetag. Switch 2 is cheaper and higher spec.
>>741280651Even faggots who do casual gaming have more powerful laptops than this piece of shit, embarrassing moment for Valve. Should've just made the Deck 2.
>>741284660switch 2 has one of the shittiest screens of the decade, it has a pithy 20wh battery capacity and an armshit cpu that's complete fucking ewaste since it runs at 1ghzand it's locked down to just be a console where you don't actually own itcompare the deck to actual handhelds that match it in those other specs and it's fair, you're not getting a better value with an oled screen out of anyone else
>>741280651Imagine wasting any money on VALVE of all companies. Dude just pirate. Gabe is just gonna buy more yachts so it's fucking pointless
>>741284792>just pirate this computerOkay, tyrone
>>741280916And none of that would have mattered if it was launched last year and aggressively priced like the Steam Deck was, but obviously it's not going to be, Valve missed their chance. It's too little too late, for too much.
>>741284349Steam Deck is a general purpose computer. Yes, it's designed to play video games, but there is no hardware DRM in place to prevent you from using it for purposes that go beyond video games such is the case for say the PS5 or Switch 2. You fundamentally don't understand what e-waste is. E-waste is devices that are designed to be disposable and become useless beyond short term. The Steam Deck is just a computer. Not only are there thousands of computer games that it can play, but it has use cases well beyond gaming.I am still using an IBM laptop manufactured in 2006 for a niche purpose for which it works, but according to you it's e-waste because it lacks performance to play the latest AAAA slop.The reason I admit that smart phones are slop is because they are locked to the OS that they come with and in most cases it's exceedingly difficult to replace it with something more useful. In many cases the hardware DRM will brick functionality of the device (Sony phones, for example) if you try to unlock the bootloader. It has nothing to do with the performance of the phones. If my phone is stuck on Android 7 and none of the stuff I need to use runs on Android 7, I literally can't use the phone. It's e-waste because it's unusuable, not because it doesn't play the latest gacha slop.
>>741284792Why should I care what a private individual that's not me does with their money?
>>741284939If you care about e-waste you're better off buying a 3-5 year old Optiplex and putting a GPU in it and making your own Steam Machine.
>>741284939You are trying to educate a zoomer who is begging for attention on the internet.Respect to you but it's never going to work
>>741284786if Switch 2 was hacked I'd be more interested, yeah.But this is beside the point that the spec of the Deck is a joke for the price they're now asking for it. It's an almost 5-year old product itself and based on RDNA 2 architecture. It is literally 2 generations behind at a ripoff price. Valve should pull it from the market out of principle of not ripping off consumers with this e-waste product, but they don't care as they know fanboys will eat it up anyway even at nearly a thousand dollars(!)>>741284939It is a computer that is already too weak for its primary purpose. Even verified games for it can run like asswipe. It's like the Switch all over again only now with an insulting pricetag attached and no exclusive games/features to sweeten the deal. There are better-spec handhelds you can get for around the same price they're charging for the Deck today. You should unironically build your own handheld or hybrid system if you actually gave a shit about what you're trying to preach here.
>>741285174Keep your shitty e-waste Dell shit to yourself, marketer.
>>741285243Keep your shitty e-waste Deck to yourself, marketer.
>>741285259Nobody is saying you should buy one kek.You are seething about it unprompted.
>>741285292You clearly bought one and are coping hard right now
>>741284291>notebookSiiiiiir
>>741285361kek okay You clearly know a lot about me
>>741285209You literally don't understand computers on the most basic level. The primary purpose of a computer is whatever the fuck you want to do with it. Price tags aren't an insult when they are too high for you to afford either. Simply buy something that you can afford and which provides you the performance that you're looking for instead of trying to cope and seethe about something outside of your price range being e-waste without understanding what the term stands for.
How powerful is the Steam machine compared to other consoles (Xbox, PS5 Pro)?
>>741285443>The primary purpose of a computer is whatever the fuck you want to do with itand what people want to do with the Deck is....?
>>741285449>How powerful is the Steam machine compared to other consolesMuch more powerful than a Switch 2.Not as powerful as a PS5.Maybe around Xbox S levels, dunno for sure.
>>741285506How exactly do you expect me to divine what every single person in the world might want to do with a Steam Deck? Some people play video games, some people use emulators, some run servers, some browse the web.
>laptops are le badwhat with this meme?
>>741285603Decktards getting desparate
>>741285603*Gaming laptops are badFixed the meme for you
>>741285595Your mental gymnastics astound me.
>>741285449better than switch 2 & xbox series s, worse than ps5 & xbox series x.
>>741285686Since when is using a computer for computer purposes mental gymnastics you fucking retard?
>>741280651>crappy old laptop>2023>4060
>>741285745The Deck is obviously something people purchase primarily to play games, don't play dumb with me.
>>741285603the vast majority of them are bad for the same reason as phones. bad software, locked down hardware, poor cooling solutions. you get a device that should operate 100% at paper but in reality its 50-60% due to throttling & pc bottleneck.
>>741285671>*Gaming laptops are badHello, from 2008It must be nice there
>>741285443Anon, I agree with your point but noone is buying a steamcube for general computing. Yeah it might end up being a nice central media center in 7-10 years but that's just a bonus after years of gaming.
>>741285243Who the fuck am I shilling for by telling you to buy a used office PC, are you mentally challenged? Why would you even assume Valve will have higher quality components compared to Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS and other generic PC OEMs?
>>741285793see above (You)laptops are a meme because they compromise both hardware & software to save money.
>>741285603>laptops are le badPortability is a much bigger compromise than most people assume. Just do something else for entertainment the 2% of the year you are away from home insetad of babysitting another device.
>>741285787It doesn't matter. It's still a computer regardless of why you choose to purchase it. You could choose to purchase it just to flop your dick on it and that wouldn't change the fact that it's a perfectly normal computer.>>741285821The argument is over being e-waste. A device that is still useful categorically cannot be e-waste. Also we are discussing Steam Deck not Steam Cube.
>>741285792>>741285884You could legit build a Framework laptop with better specs than the Deck right now, and that's even taking into account how overpriced Framework products are. I only bring up that brand as they're spec-upgradeable, unlike the Deck itself.
>>741285967Framework doesn't ship worldwide its like Deck where they only offer it in certain regions and block the rest.
>>741286034what an odd rebuttal
>>741280651The design is so boring that they have to use ping pong as decoration lmao
>>741286063>I only bring up that brand as they're spec-upgradeableand that brand is only viable for north america and not everyone lives in north america
>>741286089No?they ship to most of eu afaik
>>741286063A PC is supposed to be a region free device but Deck and Framework are basically region locked with their shipping and bios.
>>741281127You can't play Fartnite on this tho
>>741285506Ukrainians use it to control drones to drop grenades on paramedics in the donbass
>>741286124and its expensive in europe just like Dell.>Dell's "budget" $699 XPS 13 Wildcat Lake laptop costs 1,049 Euros in Europe
>>741286187I already pointed out their shit is expensive, but so is the Deck now
>>741285793>gaming laptops are good nownice meme
>>741285965Well the argument still works for the Steam Deck. I would argue it's even more true.>The argument is over being e-wasteYes it is. You need people to realize their old phone still can do stuff. E-waste is not whether something is still useful, it's whether or not something ends up in a landfill. And yes, millions of perfectly working phones and PCs end up in a landfill. Because noone is doing anything to inform the end customer of all the things they can still do with their old phone.I use one of mine as a dashcam, and another for music for when I go out for a walk in case I get mugged. For the next one I want to experiment using it as a security camera. Most people don't do that.
>>741285875>Why would you even assume Valve will have higher quality components compared to Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS and other generic PC OEMs?Because Dell literally sells you non-standard non-compliant garbage so you can never replace or fix anything yourself.This is all public knowledge. You have to go out of your way to find Dell stuff that's not absolute shit.
Since we're here i looking at this AMD Ryzen 9 8945HX, RAM 32 ГБ, SSD 1024 ГБ, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Is this good for $1900?
>>741286273My coworker the other day was complaining how he can't use his phone because his OS was no longer supported by the apps that he needed. You can't upgrade phone OS, not easily anyway. It's really difficult to get any meaningful use out of old phones because they are so heavily locked down with DRM and have very poor software support. Even my flagship Sony phone didn't receive any software updates after about a year. Doesn't help that half of the buttons stopped working on it and the software constantly crashed since it was new.
>>741286337Most OEMs have some sort of non-standard components and layout. But they are cheap when you buy them used, Optiplex was just an example. Even if you somehow get one with a standard ATX motherboard, the case headers are going to be some sort of proprietary garbage. Ages ago I had to DIY a Thinkcentre case to put standard components in, it took a lot of dremeling and soldering, it looked similar to pic related.
>>741286443Its going to be loud
in this gaming market you really don't need a powerful pc yet the steam machine is fine for most games pay up incel
>>741286560Oh, I know. Thankfully, I always preferred headphones
>>741286513>and the software constantly crashed since it was new.Now that does sound as e-waste indeed. I don't know what phone your coworker used but if it was android he has a huge ass FOSS scene to play with and find something to do. Hell just the fact your phone is also a glorified 64/128GB drive is reason enough to keep it around.
>>741280651If this turd was upgradeable I could see it having a niche usecase for people that are obsessed with saving space on their bookshelf. As it is now, it's basically a pc console that is already underpowered at launch and probably overpriced. They should have thrown the stupid tiny form factor idea into the trash and allowed room for user upgrades. They didn't though because they'll make more money if you buy the gabecube 2 instead.
>>741286132If you really want one you can go through a third party middleman shipper.
>>741285361The steam deck is awesome. You're probably brazilian/indian and mad that you can't buy one or that they are too expensive for you to buy from 3rd party.
>>741287406I live in the UK and I have used one, I just think it's a bad product at that new price and a questionnable product with the old price.
>>741280651>>741280724I bought a gaming laptop for travel. For work, I am traveling basically at least once a month, sometimes two, and I spend days in a hotel with nothing to do in the evening or weekends.I spent roughly $1300 on a gaming laptop and from my understanding it is probably like 50-60% better than a steam machine, and this steam machine is nowhere near as portable as a laptop. Yes, gaming laptops are mostly a meme, but in reality when I am set up in a hotel it is nice to have something that can actually play modern games at an acceptable FPS. That is why I can understand owning a gaming laptop. With this though, am I supposed to plug it into the hotel's TV? My laptop needs a cooling pad to play games, but I can still work on it without one. I still take it to meetings and use it there.
>>741286529OEM Desktop/PC/Laptops are dogshit and are only good for commercial resale for larger organizations that need to field a lot of systems. I do like the laptop format, but those are long-term perishable and almost always have hardware failures. I don't think I have a single laptop purchased after 2008 that has lasted more than 4 years.OEM systems are constantly undergoing yearly hardware revisions for proprietary parts and I've seen them do some absolutely insane shit when launching a new system. Curious to see where Valve's weak point will be with all the new hardware.
this cube is cute and i wanted one for my living room, but with the price to performance ratio this hting will be doa,i have a high range pc already with bazzite and a steam controller so idc
>>741287458Just because you live there doesn't mean you're not a thirdie. I'd argue that it's even more likely you're a thirdie, considering your opinions and malicious undertone (the mark of a savage). I agree that the new pricing is bad and I wouldn't buy one at the current price points.
>>741287406>You're probably brazilian/indianUh, and this is relevant why exactly?
>>741286916>They didn't though because they'll make more money if you buy the gabecube 2 insteadAnon they released 2 pieces of hardware in 10 years. There are a lot of valid complaints but "you will have to upgrade eventually" is among the bottom of the list.
When is it coming out?
>>741287458>I live in the UKFor now
>>741280989Tech illiterate millennial and xillennial manchildren who are still mentally stuck in 2000s and they think buying this overpriced shitbox will make them feel like a kid/teen playing Half Life for the first time again.
>>741288113>Tech illiterate millennialNone such!
>>741287754My friend got tired of waiting for the Steam Machine and got a Dell XPS workstation with a 3060 and it's almost 100% proprietary, I don't like it but it's a matter of price. Once businesses start getting rid of these PCs you can get them for very good prices and when you consider that you're buying used you should just get what's the best value for money. I've purchased used PCs from Facebook marketplace too and I've seen some of the most ghetto shit people are capable of doing (zip tied CPU coolers etc.). As for laptops, I know thinkpads are worshipped on /g/ but I've had the best luck with HP EliteBook laptops, all the ones I've owned were tanks.
>>741280651It will all boil down to pricing
>>741287952I hit the nail on the head, I see. From my anecdotal experience, it's because of sour grapes. Steam hardware products are not available in either of those countries, and people from those countries are ALWAYS shitting on the deck. Usually followed by personal attacks and other random malicious interactions. Just and observation, not an assumption.
>>741288432Modern Elitebooks have firmware issues they refuse to fix, PCIE ASPM is just straight up disabled in all newer models
>>741280651The CPU seems to be less powerful than the one in my mid-range non-gayming laptop.And guess what? It doesn't matter.CPU performance just isn't that important in modern gayming.This thing is good enough for a console-like experience.
>>741288476Nigga this shits gonna be 1000 bucks minimum valve isnt microsoft or sony they cannot take loses.
>>741288765Not my problem lmao
>>741288624The last one I had had an 8th gen i5 in it, I think PCIe ASPM was disabled by default but could be forced with a grub argument. OEMs would rather sacrifice some battery life than risk extra RMAs due to drivers hanging and blue screens because of power management bugs.
>>741288765>they cannot take loses.Yes they can this is not their main line of business. However, I do doubt they will.
Given the size and form factor, I figured they were limiting the draw on it. But wtf with the results?
>>741282757And then you end up irl
>>741288893No, they can't. They don't make any products where taking a loss is a viable business model. The steam controller is pretty much the only thing they can theoretically take a loss on.
>>741288893Its their only line of business. Hardware sales are a risk every time with them.
>>741289027>>741289049Steam sells games, not hardware. And it's a 100% private company. This is just one of Gaben's passtimes for all we know. Not everything has to return profit. Most of the shit the fat guy does both in Steam and outside doesn't.
I can’t wait for that fat fuck’s cult to try and justify spending over a thousand bucks on this thing.
>>741287663>and from my understanding it is probably like 50-60% better than a steam machineYour understanding is basically 0
>>741287663>I bought a gaming laptop>My laptop needs a cooling pad to play gamesYou did not fall for just one meme, but two
>>741289172>Steam sells games, not hardware.
>>741288765Valve can not take losses but not for the reasons you think. If valve sold the computer at a loss, they would be scalped for everything but gaming.
>>741289267Not him but I have a 4060 laptop that I got new on black Friday for $650.I told everyone on /v and everyone just laughed.It works great.
>>741289429That's the best argument you can do? Steam is a game storefront first and foremost. Most of the money comes from the 30% cut and monetization of their few first party games.
I'm disappointed it looks like they're pushing the Machine before the Frame. The Machine is dead before it releases.
>>741289267Well, the Steam machine has 8gbs of VRAM and my laptop has 12gbs... and my laptop has 32gbs of RAM as opposed to the steam machine's 16 gbs.So, actually, I think in plenty of AAA games I might literally get 40-50% more frames.>>741289382>Completely ignores the fact that I am traveling for work constantlyIf I was at home or taking a vacation then a gaming laptop would be a total meme. If there are 30 days in a month and 14 of them I am literally on planes, trains, or in hotels I need something to do and the Steam Deck is outdated and old and if I was only interested in indie games I'd just bring a Switch 2.Besides, my statement about the cooling pad was to be realistic. No one can play AAA games on their gaming laptops while on a train. The heat is too much. You LITERALLY cannot use a steam machine outside of some kind of room with electricity, a TV, etc. However, when set up in a hotel (as i would use it) the laptop is more powerful, easier to set up, easier to take down, and still operates as a work machine when not charging.
>>741289553Traveling for work is a meme
It's not a real product, it's a vanity item for retarded steamies to waste money on so they can brag to other steamies on reddit. At least the dick deck had an actual use case, this thing is just a fucking door stop.
>>741289487>they would be scalped for everything but gaming.Anon you can buy a shitty mini-PC that does everything the gabecube does except gaming (if even that) for a third of the price.
>>741289172You don't understand how "loss leaders" work. If Steam sold their hardware at a loss, they would also have to make sure that their hardware was locked down to only run their software with DRM (which it is not). Failing to do so will cause people to buy hardware for unrelated applications which is just a lot of lost money for no gain. A private corporation can't piss away money for nothing any more than a public one can, that will eventually lead to bankruptcy. Sony, for example, can sell their products at a loss because they have powerful DRM that prevents you from using their hardware outside of specific use cases and circumventing it is not reliable (for example the PS5 has exploits to get around the DRM for only version 4 software at the newest I think).
>>741289610I know, right? I miss Covid. I did the same work now but I didn't have to get on a plane and sat in my room with no pants responding to emails.
>>741289538try again clown
>>741280989I want a gaming mini pc for my small workspace where a midsized tower gaming pc would look obnoxious.
>>741289628And you are assuming this is a loss leader instead of Gaben wanting to do something else instead of buying another yatch and bottom of mariana trench certified submarine.
>>741289623Oh I didn't know steam machines are already selling. My bad
>>741287968>eventuallyDude the hardware is already dated. It's weird seeing people like you championing locked down hardware>>741288056
>>741289553>So, actually, I think in plenty of AAA games I might literally get 40-50% more frames.You're completely brain dead. VRAM doesn't affect how many frames you get. If you get 160 FPS with 2GB of VRAM and you're not hitting the limit then you'll also get 160 FPS with 24GB of VRAM with no other changes.Also you might actually have less effective VRAM if you use Windows because Windows doesn't have anything like dmemcg-booster yet.
>>741289919Yeah, I forgot, modern games are running off of 2gbs of VRAM.
>>741289879>Dude the hardware is already datedI know. I'm not buying one, for that very reason. Just saying shitty HW is a valid complaint, claiming they do it so you will buy the GabeCube Pro (which will also be outdated on release) in a few years is not.
>>741290017I already stated the obvious fact that are retarded, you don't need to confirm it.
does it really have a rx7600? baseg if tru
>>741290207Cut down mobile 7600 yes
>>741290136You're earnestly trying to argue that modern AAA stuff isn't going as far as to put 32 gbs of RAM and 12gbs of VRAM in the recommended specs now. I mean, there is more to it than that. My 40-50% figure is coming from my old laptop which had 8gbs of VRAM and 16gbs of RAM and a CPU that was a little less powerful than the steam machine one. Essentially my laptop was slightly less powerful than the steam machine and I saw a massive improvement in performance with the new one. Even if you suck Linux Dick and assume it is gonna add a magical 25% extra headroom (it won't in games) it is still noticeably weaker than my current laptop for a price that is still too expensive for a casual purchase.
>>741284291>mobile GPU is slower compared to a desktop oneno shit, but you shouldn't use that site regardless if you're actually comparing shit
peen on 'chine
>>741288979>talks about 4060 M (laptop part)>posts 4060 (desktop version)These are not even remotely the same except for the misleading name.
>>741290550In reality they're both the laptop variant, so the gap is even wider
>>741290326No, you don't understand. I am not making the following statement: "Your laptop with 12GB of VRAM is just as powerful as your laptop with 8GB of VRAM." I am exactly making the statement: "VRAM makes 0 difference to frame rate all other things being equal (which they aren't in your case) if VRAM limit isn't being hit." Do you understand? You can have 1GB of VRAM or you can have 64GB of VRAM and you'll get the exact same frame rate if the limit isn't hit. If the limit is hit on one configuration then you could be comparing a 8GB of card to a 9GB of card and the difference wouldn't be 40-50%, it would be absolutely fucked unplayable stutterfest on one of them.
>>741289382sex
>>741290550Yes they are the 4060 is 10% apart at worst.Look it up
>>741290550The mobile 7600 (which is the steam machine’s gpu) also loses to the 4060 mobile though. The steam machine’s one is missing CU’s as well lol.
>>741290550Its the same die, all that changes is power limit. Some laptop vendors have been shipping systems with the same power limit as discrete 4060s.
>>741289508>It works great.Great type of measurement bro
>>741290885You won't find anything better at that price point that has a monitor keyboard sound.
>>741288432My final laptop was an hp Pavillion. I loved that thing. Laptops are great for balancing gaming and life since they have limitations and dont take up a lot of space. With all the slopple-a games out i kinda want to get a laptop again and go back to casual pc ownership since everything sucks now. The price of pc hardware is so nuts man, and getting locked out of using hardware on the most recent windows OS is just crazy. The next system will probably be Linux based though.
>>741292302I've got a 3 year old laptop with a Ryzen 7840U and no dedicated GPU, but the 680M is surprisingly capable still, new games are playable at 1080p low, old ones from the PS4 generation run significantly better, even RDR2 does 1080p 60 no problem. The best thing about PC gaming is that if you let go of the consoomerist urge to play everything at ultra settings you can get a lot done even on an older/cheaper machine.
i just want cheap ram and ssds bros...
>>741283809Pretty much my situation. I was looking at putting together an ITX build to replace the Deck as my living room PC when this was announced. It should come out just in time for work travel to ramp up again too.
>>741280724what about people who just game on a laptop but it's not a gaming laptop specifically
>>741293782Heed my advice, ITX and mini PCs are a meme, they are overpriced and you're always going to be constrained by the small volume and limited cooling.If aesthetics and space under the TV are a concern the best option is to simply put a regular desktop somewhere else and run a long HDMI cable.If I couldn't do that I was also considering simply not using a case and stuffing the parts in the media cabinet.
>>741293996I have nothing against laptops themselves (hell I have 2), I just don't like the way it is increasingly being considered the default "powerful" computing device for the average person instead of desktops.If you have an actual use for one, because of work, constant travel, what have you, they are great.If you spend 98% of the year in the same house, there is almost no reason not to have a desktop instead. More powerful, easier to upgrade through the years, etc. The only case I can think of is if you really only use a PC for minor office use, standard browsing, and youtube, and even then I would much prefer a relatively big tablet with a wireless KBM instead.
>huge market for people interested in PC gaming who cannot afford spending half the price of a used car in order to participate>ignore that>contribute to problem further with bad product
Why do people keep pretending they know the price for this? Given the specs we have seen in the past you could basically make a Steam machine for 600-700 minus the small form factor case. A company buying in bulk should be able to make it for less and sell it for that.
>>741294425I got one years ago for university, and now it's my main piece because I'm poor lol
>>741294657You forgot it saying "staem" somewhere is worth a few benjamins to some people.
>>741294425>increasingly being considered the default "powerful" computing device for the average person instead of desktops.I'm not exaggerating here, I haven't personally seen a desktop PC outside of an enterprise setting in over 10 years
>>741294612>señor hilter>riBerlol
>>741294657>16gb ddr5 ram is $180-200>1tb ssd’s are $120>cpu probably the cheapest component at $90>custom itx motherboard probably $150>psu probably some shit chinkshit $50>cut down mobile 7600 $180 minimum best case scenario this shit would be $800, at that price point it wouldn’t be horrible
>>741280989
>>741294081That was pretty much what was holding me up, I wasn't confident that what I'd put together wouldn't overheat in its space. Or it'd be too loud. Not much room for trial and error when you're ordering parts. When the Steam Machine was announced, the interviews indicated those were the exact sort of considerations they were making in its thermal design and power draw, so I dropped the ITX idea since I assumed the Machine would be available shortly after. I'm still waiting on it, it's just taken a lot longer than I expected.
>pic related mfw waiting for Valve to announce the price like a shy girl about to explain her bodycount.
>>741295280Unfortunately it's too little too late. A second hand 12-th gen Core i7 or Zen 3 office PC you could slap a 9060 XT 16GB in will give you much better performance for less money, but you will simply have to stash it somewhere.Obviously the Steam Machine will have some convenient features like HDMI CEC and waking up via the bluetooth controller, but those are nice to haves not deal breakers.
>>741294081>If I couldn't do that I was also considering simply not using a case and stuffing the parts in the media cabinet.I kind of did this with my newest setup except that I 3D printed my own case by making modifications to an ITX case that I found online and then buying a PCIE 16x bridge that was long enough for my usecase, 50 black screws, a cheap USB 3.2 header and a cheap power button online.The chassi ain't really that pretty since it's essentially just 10 pieces of heat resistant plastic that I snapped and screwed together that has a honeycomb design that essentially just makes it look like it's made out of 90% air. It turned out to be about the same size as a release model PS4 (A lot thicker, smaller in both X and Y but about the same capacity in Liters).The best part of this approach was that I could essentially custom make my own chassi to the point where there is no extra space in the box for anything else while both the MB/CPU and the GFX has open access to fresh air while I use the modular PSU to sort of drag air out between the two where my two SSDs sit.The worst part is that this thing is pretty fucking fragile since the plastic itself will survive a fall but with the extra weight of the components this thing is going to shatter like glass if it ever falls off my table, it's also kind of ugly since it's obviously 3D printed with meshing artifacts that makes it glaringly obvious that I printed it at a low resolution just to make it as rigid as possible.
>>741295571>chassilol
>>741295571I'm too lazy for that, if I had to put the PC in pic related I'd simply remove the back panel and the shelf behind one of the doors, and there'd be plenty of space for regular ATX-sized components. That said I did end up drilling a hole in the wall to run an HDMI cable, and I have autistic cable management under my desk so you can't even tell that I have a desktop PC in the room.
>>741295510>features like HDMI CEC and waking up via the bluetooth controllerI've learned to love features like that thanks to the Deck. And don't forget instant sleep/wake. Absolute gamechanger.
>>741296319Technically you could replicate the same functionality with an external CEC dongle, but it's way too much hassle unless someone makes a tool you can just install and it configures everything automagically. >And don't forget instant sleep/wakeThat's just linux though
>>741292907Same, except for I got a 7640U.CPU wise it's like 10x as powerful as a PS4, GPU wise it's about the same but so far the 760M has been able to play everything I've thrown at it as long as I'm willing to play at 30fps 720p for the heaviest stuff. It can even play Wilds and DD2 at lowest setting 30fps 720p but I have been kind of itching to buy a 7840U MB since I have a framework laptop so everything would just be a drop in replacement for about 400 bucks. Half the price of anything that is even comparable in performance.I could also just 3D print a case for my old MB in give it away to a friend whos only got a cheap chromebook as his only PC at the moment.
>>741292907Normies and predditors getting into pc gaming was already driving up costs of gpu's on top of crypto mining. I have a friend that is the exact stereotype of the redditor bald onions guy with a beard, who built a fairly top of the line pc last year, with 5080 and i9, but doesn't even play games on it. Fucking consumerism man. AI has been the final nail in the coffen for prices. I could be ok with 1080 if prices never go down. There are better things to spend money on than this hobby in 2026
>>741296696You're right it's a 780M actually, 680M was the previous generation. It's a shame that USB 4 / Thunderbolt eGPUs are such a meme, otherwise these laptops could be legit gaming machines for a while yet. >>741296812Gotta be honest with you I've got a PS5 too and it's collecting dust most of the time, I play a lot more on my desktop PC and laptop, so I guess I'm a consoomer too.
>leak*yawn* it's all so tiresome
>>741299269The performance was a known value from the beginning, leaked Geekbench scores are pointless by themselves, the valuable information is that there are pre-release units in the hands of people. All that's left is the price and release date, but it should be out "soon"
>>741280989At the price point it's selling at, literally nobody. Dead on arrival retardation. This is the last steam machine all over again.
>>741280989>it's probably only available through order>people who can order it have a steam account>people who have steam accounts have gaming pcs>for most low end PC poors, the steam machine isn't much of an upgradei don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with this 8gb vram trash. love the controller though.
>>741300515>people who have steam accounts have gaming pcslol
>>741282462steam deck is still great for games that are actually worth playing old shit and indie shit
>>741280939STOP THE COUNT
based on the form factor, can this thing even be upgraded? one of the hallmarks of PC gaming is that you can just buy a better GPU one day, but this thing looks like it could only handle external GPUs if anything.
>>741301892SSD and Ram are upgradable.
>>741302406yeah just looked it up>cpu and gpu are soldered to the motherboardLMFAO, jesus christ what a blunder this turd is
>>741284886>Valve missed their chance.This is the second (third?) time they try this, it's always on the price and hardware not being worth it.In theory it performs better than a PC at the same specs but it matters little for the price, anyone interested is just gonna buy a PC.Consoles "fix" that by doing specific deals with lower priced components and by selling at a loss at first but valve can't do that for some reason so it ends up even more expensive, it's a fools errand and they just don't understand why.
>>741302473is this your first time seeing a mini pc?
>>741280989Gullible freetards.
>>741280651basically the point of the steam deck and the steam machine is the to act like consoles with consistent hardware targets. yeah its probably weaker and uses old hardware but it usese the same hardware all around to make optimization easy.that being said more than raw power the price of the thing is probably more of a deciding factor to its success. the shit will not sell well if it is not affordable.
>>741301892This is practically a laptop without the screen and keyboard.It's not upgradable and it won't run the CPU or GPU at full power
>>7413005158gb isent going away.My guess is the Ai shortage will get so bad that everyone will end up back to using it.Everything except the 6090 will probably end up with 8gb of vram and some new meme tech that will totally make it seem like 100gb
>based on the hardware of the Steam Machine's GPU put expected performance around the level of an AMD Radeon RX 7600But my RTX 2080 which I bought in 2019 is better than it. I sort of want it but I have no reason to buy one.
>>741304313Ah yes mental illness called consumerism.
>>741302797The first time it failed because Steam OS 2 was garbage, other than that there was supposed to be a big range of hardware from low to high end for every price point. Even Steam OS 3 wasn't all that great when the Deck launched, but the software is mature now, the problem is that RAM and SSD prices are simply insane.It's like the whole idea of a steam machine is cursed.Another way Valve missed their chance was to release a tiny steam deck APU powered mini-PC alongside the Deck for an even lower price as a gateway into Steam OS.Such a device could play indie and old games locally then stream demanding titles from your desktop all while still having the benefits of SteamOS like HDMI CEC support etc.
>>741304497Or get this instead of buying another stupid boat you open a factory and make your own ram.But fuck no that would be pointless right?Ai proped up by government will probably kill gaming.
>>741304475It's more that I was hoping it would be an upgrade to my 7 year old PC, it's not. Or worth the money to have as a back up PC if an expensive component on my current PC dies, which it probably won't be. Guess I'll wait for next gen hardware to upgrade my PC.
>>741304796Waiting won't save you.They are planing on killing local hardware completely and moving everyone to the cloud.Your next pc will be an android terminal
>>741304987Then I won't have a next PC. Fine by me. I still have a x97 and x67 in the attic that works if my current one breaks.
>>741304734Even with his money it's not that easy. I'm pretty sure ASML is booked years in advance for the machines, all the other ancillary shit is probably booked for planned data centres, they don't have the IP for the chips so they'll have to start from scratch or license etc. And even if he somehow is okay with investing all that money he'll probably sell to the AI companies because why not, the profit margins are insane and he'll be raking in more dough than selling the Deck/Machine ever will. >>741304987That's never happening, cloud gaming is a fundamentally flawed idea.
>>741280989Console people. The same people who would own a PS5 pro and maybe a 10+ year old non-gaming laptop. The gabecube was never meant for PC first people to begin with.
>>741295571I want to see how it looks, post pics
>>741295201Those are consumer prices not wholesale to manufacturers.
>>741305117If the only point is making money Steam would become an insurance company tomorrow or something equally gay.You either adapt your industry to survive or let it die.My solution would be to license arm like apple did and then buy the equipment and make my own factory.Despite what everyone thinks there are new far better lithography machine coming out soon and they are for sale under strict conditions.And btw they will finally kill x86 and traditional CPUs.
>>741305451See and thats the problem, even if the manufacture cost ends up being 900ish hundred dollars valve just CANT bring themselves to sell at a little loss at first like every console company to make an install base.Imagine if the manufacturers total cost is 700 dollars then selling this for 700 or even 750 would probably sell quite well, at 600 it would sell like hotcakes.Instead they grab the manufacture cost and slap in enough to make a good profit for each and as a result it dies before it even comes out.
>>741305660It got too delayed anyway at this point it's 3y old hardware
>>741285793>paying twice as much to run games half a well>dogshit cooling that sounds like a vacuum cleaner weather you are playing a game or checking your email>still hits 100c and thermal throttles>cheapest shittiest panels they could findHell the things are hardly even portable since barely anyone makes 14" gayming laptops,they are all 17" hulking monstrosities.
>>741305518Look I wish they did get more serious about hardware, but it's probably not happening, and certainly not anytime soon. Regarding the switch to ARM this is practically inevitable for the next Steam Deck and if they ever decide to release a cheap mini-PC version of the Deck. If Valve had no interest in ARM they wouldn't be bothering to develop FEX-Emu. Also it's been a long time and AMD still doesn't have a low-power APU that's like 2x faster than the one in the Deck.If Valve decides to go with an Apple-style chip with an ultra-wide memory bus and on-die memory it will BTFO every other handheld.
>>741306107Turns out instead of a gay bot you can buy this and print at 1nm
The PC Master Race Movement isn’t about performance, it’s about compliance. Don’t you want to be cool online? You need to donate to Lord Gaben. We explicitly banned gaming laptops in 2009 so Lord Gaben’s hardware is the only entry-level hardware you’re allowed to have. For just $999, you can have the privilege of being in the world’s most prestigious gaming club. Don’t you want to be a part of The Movement?
>>741305660>See and thats the problem, even if the manufacture cost ends up being 900ish hundred dollars valve just CANT bring themselves to sell at a little loss at first like every console company to make an install base.NTA but why should they? The gabecube doesn't exist to make an install base, they've already got one.
>>741280651Why did you think a $1000 Steam box was going to offer powerful or midrange performance? Do you know what kind of PC $1000 buys in 2026?
>>741280651https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/18366190?baseline=18386598The Steam Machine is weaker than a $599 Mac mini.
>>741306570>NTA but why should they?To actually move the product and consolidate themselves as an option instead of a dodgy circlejerk experiment where the user has no trust in them.>they've already got one.It doesn't, STEAM has one, not the steam hardware which has gone through some awful moments and sales, and the majority of the steam userbase is just PC builders or people with fuck you money who are instantly put off by a more expensive shitty console they can't upgrade, they got a PC to avoid that exact same thing.
>>741306687But can you run games on that?
>>741280959My guess would be they're targeting consoles, since the main target they showed throughout their ads was hooking it to a tv and having everything work with the steam controller and maybe kde's big screen mode, they probably aim for a console-like device.
>>741306462Insane false flag, I have a PC because its objectively the best.Simple as, this little dogshit thing is gonna fail like their other attempts because pc chads don't give a shit, they go for the best quality at the best pricekeep grabbing retarded google image pics tho, newfag
>>741306348Assuming you can even buy one even if you had the money, and it takes a lot of other ancillary machines and materials like wafers, ultra purified water, chemicals etc. Also from what I understand even with the most advanced lithography machines you still need an ultra experienced fab wizard to babysit the process and troubleshoot things when there's a problem. Just look at the Chinese, even with all their resources they're still barely a blip on the semiconductor marketplace, single digits market share for DRAM and NAND.
>>741280825No it's steam box all over again but this will actually sell
>>741306796>To actually move the product and consolidate themselves as an option instead of a dodgy circlejerk experiment where the user has no trust in them.You say that like it wont move already. The Steam Deck sold out fast even after several price hikes. You highly underestimate how much expendable income most 30+something males have. I'm not even saying "you're poor" or anything like that, its that people are willing to part with far more money then you understand. >It doesn't, STEAM has one,One in the same as the gabecube is literally just a fucking PC like any other.
>>741306828Yes, using CrossOver (made by the same company that develops Proton for running Steam on Linux).
>>741307036Steam deck came out 4 years ago on a different economy and a handheld is a completely different market compared to a quasi home console at almost 3 times the price of the cheapest steam deck.Steam deck people wanted a steam deck 2, not this, and all this negative discussion and valve reluctance to show the price should immediately tell you where this is headed.Again, not the first time they try this, valve hardware has been the equivalent of throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks and the only real success so far has been the steamdeck.
>>741306863YOU are a newfag. Did you borrow your talking points from a YouTuber?
>>741307036these males are not even buying 80 dollar games, they can barely afford rentthe industry got too greedy
>>741304734making a fab isn't gabe level money, it's elon level moneyeven for memory>>741305117ASML basically just got booked for god knows how long for elon's fabseems like he's actually serious about italso, ASML only has a monopoly on EUV machines, on lower-resolution machines which are used for everything but the first 10-15 layers of a processor, where other companies like canon and nikon dominate
>>741307389YOU may not be able to afford these things but understand Steam is a GLOBAL marketplace. Not everyone is as cash strapped as you and your peers. You need to think on a global scale.
>>741306883He can buy one and it comes with maintenance and people that will set you up with everything I've looked at the contract.Also the next generation is actually supposed to actually use the same tech you see in internet fiberoptics.A friend of mine is actually helping build one of these factories right now in Europe the Taiwan meme won't be necessary in 10y and he said they have been embargoed out from this new generation.Also I'm told 30y of work went into this tech and China won't be able too copy anything or catch up for decades.
>>741304734Gabe is not only too poor to make his own fab, the only company on Earth making the neccesary machines has all their capacity used up for several years.
>>741280651>GPU is weaker than my laptop's(4060m)>mNo it most certainly is not lmao
none of this shit is worth discussing because they STILL HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED THE FUCKING PRICE
>>741307850New factory's will appear all over the place in the next 10y.2 in Poland 4 in Germany 6 to 8 in the USA It's going to be almost 100% autonomous so it's moving back.Rare earths are no longer needed
>>741307921Yes it is
>>741307921See >>741290806The ACTUAL Steam Machine benchmarks which are coming out(not inferred based on the 7600M) are also well behind the 4060 mobile
>>741280989brand loyalists
>>741283235>you can buy a machine with a 9th gen i9 with a 2070 for like $400Maybe without the RAM as even bad DDR4 sticks are like $200.
>>741280651>crappy old Acer laptop from 2023>3 year old laptop>oldI'm playing Marvel Rivals on my 2011 alienware laptop on low settings
>>741289508shhhhthey're retarded. let them be retarded
>>741312313The plastic on modern laptops is so brittle that they practically fall apart after 3 years of use.Do not question it, just consume. Planned obsolescence is just tinfoil schizo babbles
>>741280651Due to current market conditions an entry i level Gaming PC is extremely expensive and not worth the price.
>>741305660>valve just CANT bring themselves to sell at a little lossExcept it probably does, a team designed this machine, a lot of work went into production yet the price of it will probably be just a little bit over the price of the components in today's prices, that money ain't going to cover the cost of it's creation in total. Same can be said for any prebuilt machine. However most consoles still benefit from you buying them because they can rape you with online subscription while the Steam Machine will not have that.
>The Steam Machine is an embarrassing failure just like the dense butt hurt Steamies who keep defending it!Wow, what a surprise!I'm so glad that I'm not a Steamie!>>741312313What's the specs of your Alienware gaming laptop?
>>741280939let's see all your wins timmy :)
>>741280989people who can't afford a gaming pc or laptop but don't want to buy a steam deck or regular console
>>741280989I was thinking of getting it to be a semi-portable render farm since it's so small
>>741280651This is the current market price for a DIY PC with same specs as the Steam Machine. If Valve sells it for 1k they are actually giving value because it would be a much smaller machine than what you can build yourself.
>>741280959They show the target audience in their trailer
>>741313408>The Steam Machine suddenly has a R5 7600xnot even close retard, the 7600x has like 80% better peformance multicore.
>>741280916how old are you? why do you talk like a 13yo faggot in 1996?
>>741314260I imagine but that was the closest analogue I could find domestically. I actually built a Steam Machine analogue before the current market conditions and before the Tarrifs for my Media Center for much less than you can get today and it's actually great. I'm running Bazzite which is awesome. The big difference is the CPU which I'm using an AMD 7500F which isn't as powerful as the 7600X but it still comparable performance and was much cheaper than the 7600X back then.
>>741289382whore fatigue
>>741314606>I'm using an AMD 7500F which isn't as powerful as the 7600X7500f is just lower binned 7600x without iGPU and clocks a little bit lower by default.You can probably make it more powerful than out of the box 7600x by undervolt + pbo.
>>741314260It's a 7600X chip with mobile clocks and TDP. AMD laptop GPUs are much weaker in relation to their desktop counterparts compared to Nvidia
>>741307486why do you keep projecting this onto me, I can afford it, I choose not to because it makes no sense, I already have a PC and a steam library for it, I have no need for itconsole fags have their consoles and are not about to drop 1k for thissteamdeck people dont get any of the benefits that made steamdeck actually a good product, theyre not gonna line up to buy thisif your average american male cant afford it then there's no market, it's that simple, valve doesn't even have the framework to sell the steamdeck outside of select countries, where the fuck is the market?just gonna pray that 10 million chinese just buy it day 1?These are some insane mental gymnastics just to defend a badly thought out product that repeats many of the mistakes of their previous failed hardware.
>>741315401Probably but for what I use it for it's more than enough. It's able to run Zelda TotK at 60fps 1080p after applying a 60fps mod. I had it set up before the Switch 2 was a thing. I also applied an Xbox controller mod to have the keys match the Xbox controller I use. It's very cool.
>>741280989There's no target demographic with the possible price Gabecube is going to end up having. They must sell at a (big) loss or cancel it straight up, because right now this is a machine that only select few would actually want to have with the rest throwing their money away at an overpriced potato instead of buying/building a proper PC for the same price.
>>741280651>I thought based on the price ($1000+) that this was going to be a powerful or at least midrange system.It is, and your laptop is also a midrange system. Except this one is a lot quieter and doesn't look like ass.
>>741280651I was going to buy one for a friend but it's just too much if it's over $1000. Think I'll wait and evaluate my option. Hell, I might just wait a few years till the ram crisis gets less shit.
>>741280651Better off building your own mini PC for bazzite
buying one (and a frame) on release just to put in my living room and use once a monthmust suck being poor and having to get all worked up about things you cant even afford haha
>>741316229>willing to drop like 500 bucks on a friendDon't be that desperate anon that's kinda creepy
>>741280651I'll buy it if it's under $800, but since that is almost impossible now, I'll probably just build something instead.
>>741316494You don't even own a house, Rodrigo.
>>741316229It's too much even at $800 for the tech is packed. If it was originally going to be around the price of "slightly more than a PS5" I'd have grabbed one, but that's not clearly been the case for months now.
>>741280651That's awesome that your one and only hope of obtaining a decent gaming pc was squashed. Here's to many more years of poorfag retards with gaming laptops being gatekept
>>741316619I've known the guy since elementary school. He can't ever get one on his own cause he's on SSI for being autistic. He's also the only friend I really trust. Every other friend I've had has back stabbed me in some way. This was going to be me giving him thanks. But well, I don't feel like spending more than $1000 or more than $1200. It's just not worth it in this climate. Probably gonna just stack XMR instead. If I do get him one, it'll be later. Fucking ram crisis. I was looking forward to playing fun pc games with him too.
I want one for the form factor, but at this point I'd rather RDNA4 since fuck FSR4's performance hit on RDNA3.
>>741303180TRUKE
>>741322658What wete people expecting? It's using a completely different type of scaling older cards aren't good at
>1200 minimum>Weaker than the PS5Thanks
i just want my steam frame. fuck wires and fuck facebook
>>741326814You dont need facebook for meta quest
>>741327129steam cultist just wants to go from one overpriced drm to another
>>741287663Gaming laptops are good for that specific overlap of usage. I used one when I went to college.As long as you're okay with being married to a power outlet and suffering heating issues they're fine.
>>741327891>heating issuesAre you from 2010? Did you just wake up from a coma? How's retirement doing?
Looks like it will be more powerful than the base PS5 which is all I need not sure why you are all autistically screeching.
>>741330915Well the problem is that it was promised as something more powerful at an affordable price. When it's neither of course people are going to bitch.
>>741280989No one, Valve are actual retards. Making the same mistake AGAIN, on a massive company scale is quite fucking insane
>>741331091...but it will be more powerful?retard-kun
>>741331269>more powerful at an affordable price1000$ and only being a little more powerful isn't really a good deal.
>>741280651You've had the specs sheet available for years, are you retarded?
What the fuck is Valve waiting for with this thing? Prices aren't getting any cheaper and people aren't getting any wealthier.
>>741331269Just get a 5070 or 9070 and cram them into your pc.
>>741331462They know people will be pissed and just want to silently sell off the few stock they have
>>741280989i mean, my guess would be people using it as a connection to their main rig, i.e. streaming from an office pc to the living room, or for smaller/older games and emulation. not the most useless thing on earth i guess, but not a solid replacment for just an old pc or whatever else instead
>$100 controller>$1000 deck>likely $1400 console>likely $900 vr headsetpricing across the board is kinda nuts
>>741294081Or you could just get an HTPC case and low profile cooler to still use ATX, like that prototype steam machine
>>741280651You complete retard trying to trade a crappy 2023 hardware with another crappy 2023 hardware. How did you survive until now?
Boy the shills are really panicking. It really must be about to drop.You lost, timmy :^)
>>741331441no, we haven't you stupid retarded niggerfaggot. All we know is how many cores and what to expect from the GPU.
>>741335012cultists think like this
>>741335549>ad hominemI accept your concession.
Why isn't this thing out yet? It was already outdated tech the moment it was announced, by the time it actually comes out it's going to be ancient and obsolete.
>>741280651>Even with all the memory fuckery I'm pretty $1000 will get you a stronger laptop than this, let alone a desktop prebuiltyeah it's a $600 computer. prices went up.
How does one become fanboy of a digital distribution platform? Valve hasn't been relevant in game development since 2008.
>>741338109>How does one become fanboy of a digital distribution platform?Once they own your game library you cant turn back on them
>>741280651Everyone with a brain was already saying that. At time of announcement a $600 used gaming laptop blew its specs out of the water
>>741313009>people who can't afford a gaming pcyou will most likely be able to get a pre build of the same level for cheaper. Value is not a key selling point of the steam machine
I dont understand what audience this thing could possibly have. On the surface it's a small PC that's promising an easy console-like experience but the type of people who'd want that over a regular PC are the same ones who all play the same big popular games that dont work on linux (fortnite, Rivals, CoD etc)
>>741280651don't care, still buying
>>741339782Rivals works on Linux.
>>741280989Steamie cultists, they'll still buy the cube with its abysmal specs even for $2,000.
>>741338540Like nintendo where you can't access the game files, instead you have a permission to play license with each one attached with a unique ID that allows them to ban you.
