Are you ready to play the game, filled with botters, inflated gold, RMT and written by people who hate you?
no play space station 14 for FREE for 10 hours a day hahaha AHAHAHAHA you will never have my time or money and youre gonna get FIRED for making a game NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY
you need to be a real piece of shit to play mmo's in 2026. i mean, just to fit in with the community
>Season of Discovery>got hailed as "classic plus" when it was first announced>started off okay but quickly nosedived into retail shit and ended up closer to Cataclysm game design than anything>all the shills did a 180 and started claiming that it was just a testing ground for "the REAL classic plus"this is what will happen with any future "classic+" project
>>741296480>shills shill it during the pre-release and launch as the greatest thing ever to happen to the game>shit it once the honeymoon period is over and the consensus has turned against the gamethe wow shills have been doing this with every release for over a decade so of course classic+ will follow this
>Written by people who hate youI'm not a migger or a neo nazi larper
>>741296480This. SoD proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that nuBlizz has no fucking idea what made vanilla unique and beloved, because they stripped away almost every single distinctly "vanilla" thing about the game.>no more slow and steady leveling; 150% exp boost and Incursions so you can go 1-60 in just 3-4 days>no more specialized class design with distinct strengths and weaknesses; now everything is homogenized and everyone can do everything>no more janky itemization; everything is now super streamlined and every new raid is a total gear reset>player power increased so high that questing poses no threat whatsoever and you can even solo dungeons on most classes>dungeon currency that lets you buy full raid tier sets without ever setting foot in a raidpretty much retail: vanilla editionAnd yet, blizzdrones ate it right up and even raved about how it was "the best version of classic to ever exist". Just further proof that Classic is overrun with retail tourists.
>paying to play classic+>which is not vanilla>with sharding/phasingnot doing that shit either
>>741296853As private servers showed, no sharding/layering means every zone is an overcrowded mess and questing/farming is near impossible, without cranking up mob respawn timers to absurd levels.
I will probably give it a try, I've tried tbca and mopc, sod, private servers etc.
>>741296131>written by people who hate you?Also played by people who hate you. People are so hostile in this game. Community fucking sucks and i say this as a minmaxer top 1% dps logs player. Back when i still played anyway. Quit at BFA.
>>741296808>said forever ago you dont want a "classic+" because the devs are incapable of making it >people thought they were going to get more classic tier content and not just retail lite
Why would I care about botters, inflated gold and RMT in MMO when it is part of MMO for decades?Why would I care about inflated gold in non full loot drop MMO without real economy?
>>741296480SoD really showed that to blizzard classic+ just means retail-
>>741296480I had fun with early and late SoD, but they definitely fucked it up.
>>741296608writers hate all wow players in general. Bitches gloat on twitter how they love making wow players upset.Probably got hired for cosby room too not likely anyone thought they were usefull beyond that
>>741296271hullrotter spotted in the wild
>>741297508Yeah, phase 1 and 2 were okay, but phase 3 is where it all went to shit and totally stopped feeling like vanilla at all. It only got worse from there.
>>741296808you mean the world buffs, all warrior dps raids, uniqueness of classes is meaningless because all that matters is best heal, best tank, and best dps.
>>741297802>but what about the top 1% of minmaxer tryhards??nobody is forcing you to play that way
>>741296480This goes for every single piece of wow content to be honest, be it an individual retail patch (yoooo dude yeah this shit is ass but next patch will save the game), a retail expansion(yooo dude yeah this expac was tranny garbage but did you see the trailer bro it will save the game) a classic server (yoo bro vanilla was always overrated TBC is the real classic and will save the game), even classic servers of the same type (yooo dude the first classic was ruined by fomo streamers and Chinese bots, a fresh start will save the game)It’s almost like nothing in wow is actually good
>>741297405because content is gated behind upgrade acquisition which either relies on long grind or buying gold to skip it. Inflation prices out normal players and forces to either pay up with $ or suffer.
>>741296131The biggest problem with Classic+ is going to be class distribution. Everyone and their granny will roll a warrior or rogue.
>>741296853I will pay for no GM and bots.
Kill blizzfaggots
>>741297918I'm heavily assuming that there's going to be gigantic balance changes to make everything viable, especially to the hybrid classes, while also nerfing the extremely dominating classes/specs.
>>741297879that is the standard meta in the game now because it is the best. Nobody runs naxx with 15 hunters or melee strength gear priests.
SoD was crap and whatever they got planned for Classic+ must be HORRENDOUS if they saw Turtle and Ascension as credible threats to it’s success that had to be destroyed.Anyone still paying a sub for this is a buck broken cuck.
>>741298059the question is where do you stop the balance changes. Because another problem is Paladin vs. Shaman balance. Do you give Horde Paladins via Belves? Do you give Alliance Shamans via dwarves?
i played turtle wow for a month like a year ago and its crazy how much they outclassed Blizzard. If you have any delusions about Blizzard putting out a decent product let alone an amasing one go jump off a cliff without a parachute
>>741298259what SoD did was just give shaman's most powerful buffs to alliance and Paladin's most powerful buffs to horde
>Bro just play a version of the game made by and played by the exact same people who made WoW shitOh man I can't wait to try the new Quel'thelas they added it it loo[SKULL]WTS FAST LEVEL 70 KARAZHAN TRASH BOOST /W NOW [SKULL]LF2M WARRIOR TANKS EMERALD DREAM RAID LEGENDARY RESERVED POST LOGS AND JOIN DISCORD
>>741298408>LF2M WARRIOR TANKS EMERALD DREAM RAID LEGENDARY RESERVED POST LOGS AND JOIN DISCORDYOU ARE DOING 5% LESS DPS THAN THE DPS YOU SHOULD BE DOING WITH YOUR GEAR SO KICK HIM OR I LEAVE (this comes from a guy not doing mechanics every damn time)
>>741298267you need to be over 18 to post on this website
I’m pretty sure these people love me thoughSure they hate YOU but so does everyone
>>741296131Of course i am, i just need that nostalgia injected right into my veins and give Blizzard money.
>>741298059which is a total misstep because the beauty of classic class balancing is in the niche performance of specs. paladin tank sucks, but it's good for farming undead. elemental shaman sucks pve but it's very good in pvp and so on. I hate what SoD did to classes. just total pure retoilet design.
>>741298408>doesn't know how to use chat filters>thinks he is entitled to a spot in any pug he wants, and gets to dictate the loot rules despite not being the one organizing the groupYep, that's a modern dadgamer right there.
>>741296943Player overcrowding is sovl
>>741298773>plays uncslop>complains about uncs
>>741298773>Bro it's just like vanilla trust bro just filter 90% of the players bro
>>741298267Yeah, hopefully they learn something from turtle and acension, I played 300+ hours on turtle as a prot warrior, it was pretty chill. my homie even kept getting free gear for playing healer.
>>741298773>organize it>retards start saying "i'll join if you save X item for me"
>>741296943>overcrowded messgood i'm playing a mmorpg not a moba
>>741296131>phasing almost certainly still inshant be playing
>>741299186>no phasing>every single zone is flooded with players and questing is impossibleshant be playing in that scenario, either
>>741299429you dont like mmorpgssorry to break the news for you
>>741297912But the WoW was all about getting gear from raids and while some epics and blues were very good you don't need them to buy them for raids. With current level of skill in video games you don't even need consumables
OSRS mogs nu-WoW so hard it's unreal, which is especially embarrassing considering it's a bot-infested browser game that's designed for drug-addicted, Finnish NEETs
>>741298117>that is the standard meta in the game now because it is the best.No one forces you to do that. You can always find dudebros group. Or make your own dudebros group.
>>741296480SoD was pretty fun overall, issue was the lack of developers along with MC/Gnomer being shit phases
>>741299429>i NEED to remove the other PLAYERS so I can SPEEDRUN to RAIDLOGGING as fast as possible in my MULTIPLAYER RPG
>>741298767but then you have Warrior who is basically a demi god past a certain point. If Classic+ is meant to survive long long term certain classes must be balanced better. There's a reason people say TBC was the golden era of class balance for early wow.
>>741299082>>741298816>>741296853Larper tourists
>>741299569Why is it always retardins who cry the loudest about the hybrid tax?Never see priests or shamans or druids make a huge stink about having to heal or throw some buffs around.
>>741296808Good luck coming up with an iteration of classic+ that at least 33,3% of the current classic community would find acceptable.Even if Blizzard had the talent to make it the best it could ever be, the majority would still cry that it missed the mark.Classic is beloved because it's stagnant as fuck and it's the same shit played ad nauseam by jaded fucks who will chase their teenage nostalgia to the day they die.
>>741299569>paying monthly sub to raidlog 2 hours a weekI did that and the game isn't good that way.
>>741299645Nah. The game wasn't designed for big numbers or the same location. The problem is that WoW is really popular and well know so you have insane numbers on servers.
>>741299832why are you projecting now
>>741296131>Are you ready to play the game, filled with botters, inflated gold, RMT and written by people who hate you?did they announce fresh servers again or something?
Yep! Sorry I won't be playing Evermold
>>741299832most fun i got in wow was making 3 raids to raid ironforge in sunday and sometimes crashing the server (which still happened at wotlk)sorry not everyone started playing with pandaria like the furry you are
>>741299947???Just don't do raids. You lost me anon. Join retard group so you will wipe for 4 hours every day.
>>741299489The wow playerbase was never satisfied with taking anyone who could clear. They always wanted the strongest players possible to get carried. And loot from raiding is RNG. You can waste time hoping to get an item drop or buy a BoE from auction house. And after that you also have to buy enchants and consumables if you plan to play anything competitive.
>>741300069>Just don't do raids.no interest in doing uninstanced content when world looks like >>741299973
>>741300060Speaking in larp right now
Classic+ isn't being made for people who played actual Vanilla WoW, it's for solved game "Classic" playing retards who can't be appeased because they think they're HARDCORE GAMERZ for playing a version of a game that is roughly two decades old and people know the ins and outs of, and love datamined content instead of actually playing the game.
>>741300278Correct, it's being made for the people who played Classic, not actual Vanilla.
>>741300195sorry i dont talk twitter so i got no idea what you said
>>741296271did troon group 2 finally wrestle control away from troon group 1?
>>741299973>femtauren layeringThis reminds me of an encounter I had on Grobbulus, the only RPPVP realm, in the first few months of Classic. I was leveling in Ashenvale when I came across two tauren standing at a crossroads on the road to Astranaar. One was a female druid, and the other was a male warrior; with his weapon and shield drawn, the warrior gave the impression of being the druid's bodyguard.This is more or less turned out to be the case, as the druid was the guild leader of Grobbulus's tauren-only RP guild, and the warrior was escorting her to the staging ground for a prearranged battle between themselves and an Alliance guild. The issue was that they were on the wrong layer, and for whatever reason other guild members weren't able to phase into their layer through them. I happened to be the first person who walked past, and they, in-character, talked me into being a beacon that phased players to the correct layer for the battle. I didn't (and still don't) understand how layering works, but whatever it was they wanted me to do, it worked. I had to stick around and watch the battle, but it was an interesting break from leveling so I couldn't complain.RIP Grobbulus. I hate what it became later in its life, parastitized by e-celebs. Most of my fondest memories of Classic were from its first year.
>>741296808don't forget the mega server nonsense
>>741296131>paying monthly for a blizzard productwhy would I do that
>>741300940yeah I was on grob since day 1 and entire guilds of tryhards transfering over in search of a smaller pond killed the community. like 80% of the realm was rude literally whos by naxx patch.
no im playing ascension
>>741301206Red pill me about ascension
>dungeon grind to max level in 2 days>raidlog 1 hour a weekAnyone paying $15 a month to play this slop is braindead
It's impressive that Blizzard didn't find (never tried) any solution but layering. 22 fucking years. And it still chocking on world bosses on servers with pvp. Wtf? EVE online devs managed this shit and their game can handle shit tons of players in one system before time dilation hits. The only future technology that can fix EVE's giant battles is dynamic server meshing from Star Citizen. WoW isn't EVE. It's smaller yet they didn't really improve anything. Blizzard is $75 billion worth company for god's sake.
>>741299945Classic+ is very straightforward. It's in the name.Classic (as in Vanilla) PLUS more content (more dungeons, raids, profession content and fleshing out the under-developed and unfinished areas) and maybe some moderate rebalancing to address a lot of the broken shit that was in Vanilla (like trying to make the many worthless talent trees viable without changing the original intent of that tree).But that's basically it. Nothing more than that. ANYTHING more than that is taking the game in Retail+ territory because it's more than anyone asked for and what the name implies.No one asked for all these wild fucking changes for Classic+, and certainly no one asked them to violate the spirit of Vanilla by trivializing everything except raids.
>>741301954the modern client is just total shit. nostalrius could crank hundreds of players in one area without crashing because 1.12 was actually geared towards stuff like that. modern wow client can barely handle +30 people in same space.
>>741299945>Classic (as in Vanilla) PLUS more content (more dungeons, raids, profession content and fleshing out the under-developed and unfinished areas)Nobody will touch them if they don't give power
>>741296131blizzdrones will drink diarrhea if it comes from blizzard
I think its pretty obvious Blizzard wants their own version of OSRS but I just don't see that model working in a game like WoW.
>>741302560The games are completely different, it's impossible
>>741302017Everyone says they love slow ass vanilla leveling until you look and see most people get filtered before they ever hit level 30, level 20 even.Trivializing questing is the only way to make the game palatable for most people. They aren’t going to waste resources making new raid content only 1% of players will ever see when most wont even see the inside of Naxx.
>>741302681I mean I get WHY they want to try it, OSRS is immensely popular particularly among the 'older' (30+) gaming crowd which is becoming a larger and larger piece of the pie. There's a lot of gamers who want to play an mmo but modern WoW is so insanely complicated and sweaty that its just not appealing to older gamers that have lives. OSRS is simple and easy to understand, and you can hop on for a few mins and make progress.
The AQ opening event is MMO kino and Blizz hasn't come close to releasing anything equal to or better than it since. Change my mind.
>>741302998Osrs has 24 skills and wow has 1.
>There's literally a "mana regeneration" stat called "Spirit" in Vanilla>SoD dev's solution to paladin mana problem is that they get an ability that restores 5% mana every time they use it and a rune that gives them another 5% mana every time they attack.I hate nuBlizz so much. The whole point behind the Seal and Judgement system was that it would give you a window of Spirit mana replenishment. They couldn't have at least tried to find ways for paladins to benefit more from Spirit? They had to go straight to the "you regain mana by doing the shit you were going to do anyway, mana basically isn't a mechanic anymore" Retail bullshit?
>>741303236Are you referring to attack spams?
>>741303350IIRC They gave up on spirit in wrath and admitted it was always a stat that no one wanted. Trying to expand on it in their eyes would probably just be meaningless.Not sure if any of the devs back then are still around, however.
>>741299608ST phase was worse than Gnomer, dumbass.
>>741303406NoWow can't do osrs because they are completely different
>>741302687>Everyone says they love slow ass vanilla leveling until you look and see most people get filtered before they ever hit level 30, level 20 even.>Trivializing questing is the only way to make the game palatable for most people.Okay, not everyone needs to play Classic+. Retail is waiting right there for you, buddy. You can hit max level in a few hours by all accounts.>They aren’t going to waste resources making new raid content only 1% of players will ever see when most wont even see the inside of Naxx.Acting like fucking raid content is the only content that matters is the cancer that lead to the current state of Retail.
I just want to chill with people while questing together in the world. That was always the best part of wow for me.I used to get joy of just chilling and power leveling friends through dungeons, but that became an autistic grind for some people and now blizzard has banned/nerfed it.Everyone follows a guide and rushes to max level so they can get a dopamine rush when they get a super special BIS item and then raid-log.
>>741303610Osrs is a boring ass single player game. Back to your one star retirement home unc
>people complaining about accelerated leveling and such in SoD>when every single one of the 'additions' to SoD across the phases existed in vanilla
Classic+ should reduce XP gained in dungeons by 90%, add multiple new zones and quest hubs across the entire world for every level range, new dungeons for all level rangesAlso heavily nerf warriors and rogues just so all the pserver sweaties have meltdowns because they can't run 32 warriors in naxx anymore.
>>741303626Raid content is the only thing that matters to wowfags>hit 60 and raidlog>lol PvP afk jump in av until hwl
>>741302560Blizzard would have to drop everything they learned working on diablo and like, return to the primordial soup of MUDs that OSRS is pulling from. Completely different gameplay grammar.
>>741303462It's not exactly like they gave spirit a fighting chance. Old Blizz also made a bunch of dumb decisions, and one of those was continually ignoring spirit and adding in new mana regeneration mechanics that supplanted spirit instead of iterating on the mechanic that already existed.But none of it was as bad as "you get 5% total mana for attacking"
>>741303857but playing AV is the only fun pvp i knownot afkingwell at least before Av was turned to shit with reinforcements
>>741303857>He unironically ranked as horde
Friendly reminder that everything everyone hates about retail WoW was popularized by TBC and Wrath :)
>>741303857>Raid content is the only thing that matters to wowfagsRaid content is the only thing that matters to the paypigs that stuck with WoW and WoW-clones decades into their shit era.
>>741303821Also PvP gear should only be usable in battlegrounds.
>>741303940>Drek or kek! XD>Each side ignores each other and bumrushes the pve boss to end the game in 5 minutes
>>741299848retardins don't even have pvp, at least the other hybrids can blow people the fuck up without abusing some buggy ass talent that doesn't work on half the servers.
>>741302560This. OSRS looks like garbage, but beneath its surface it's a well-oiled machine that actually learned from the failures of RS2 and RS3; furthermore, community polling and Jagex's willingness to listen to community feedback (from players, content creators, etc.) make it much more likely that mistakes are identified and rectified before they have too much of an effect on the game's integrity. In fact, this process is currently happening with the game's fourth raid, which will likely have its rewards returned prior to release as a result. It's not perfect, but OSRS keeps chugging along.WoW is the exact opposite experience. It's a much more aesthetically appealing package, but that appeal belies how shallow its design philosophy is. Not only is it design dated, but Blizzard itself has neither the humility to respect community feedback, nor the initiative to identify and address WoW's existing and emergent flaws. We witnessed this process play out in Classic with the prevalence of boosting, RMT, and GDKPs. In a perfect world, I think it'd be possible to refine WoW's strengths while mitigating or even eliminating its weaknesses, but I have absolutely no faith in Blizzard to do it - nor the WoW community itself.
>>741304093>4 guildies + me sit in the first bunker>Wipe initial horde rushers and backcap >Cause a turtle and watch the endless seethe in chat
>>741303821>Classic+ should reduce XP gained in dungeons by 90%...
The true Classic+ experience is running your own server and playing with a team of bots.
>>741303462they killed spirit in the crib because of balancing. in vanilla beta it affected proc chance and was primary stat for rogues due to poisons.
>>741304218If someone manages to get a single player repack of ascension bronzebeard or coa going I will never need to touch anything else WoW related ever again.
>>741304213Yes, trannies and bots running scarlet monastery for 15 levels is not what vanilla is about.
>>741303821>Classic+ should reduce XP gained in dungeons by 90%,and put bunch of quests in there that give lots of exp and require multiple runs.
>>741304367Good luck getting a dungeon group for anything when your only options are>get lucky and get one or two pieces of gear for the price of gimping your XP by 90%>get nothing while gimping your XP by 90%The XP / quests are a consolation prize that's designed to incentivize players to actually fucking queue for an activity that's inconvenient and out-of-the-way. If you take that away, people are simply going to ignore dungeons unless they're like Wailing Caverns and have a quest that guarantees an extremely good reward.There are other, better ways to combat boosting or locking yourself in a dungeon for 8 hours.
>>741304671>gimping your XPnon issue if the game is enjoyable at every level, which wow classic largely is.
>>741304671>Good luck getting a dungeon group for anythingI have this thing called 'friends' that enjoy hanging out playing games, anon.
Oh boy I cant wait!>everything has one or two mechanics>trying to join anything is like going through a job interview>logs required for literally anything and everything>all channels SPAMMED with boosts or LFM logs required>every patch being unplayable for the first 24 to 48hrs due to bugs>a patch eventually launching in such a broken state the server is forced to run a perma buff to offset it (yes this happened in SoD)>everyone acting like you need full pre-bis and full bis to clear the one to two mechanic fights meanwhile you can kill it naked with a grey weapon equipped>everyone acting like a speedrunner>everyone having TTV in their namethe easier the content the more nigger these people act, classic is more gatekept then retail and retail is a motherfucking e-sport
They should change all raids in C+ to be 20 man only.
>>741305246have you tried making a guild with your friends instead of crying because other people have standards?or are you just a socially awkward autist that wants everything handed to xim on a silver platter because you can't put any effort in
>>741305246>everything has one or two mechanicsThis is fine, what's important is that the whole instance is fun and interesting, not that the boss has his own big, bouncy funhouse to fight in with 10 phases and 50 unique mechanics and you basically beat him by doing minigames. If there's an actual problem with Vanilla, it's that they made the instance content generally too easy and it needs to be made harder.The other shit gets shit from Vanilla and the Classic rerun mixed up, and otherwise just has typical MMO bullshit.
>>741305293>They should change all raids in C+ to be 20 man only.
>>741302687that's because level 30+ is content drought which the now killed twow attempted to fix
>>741305754no anon, we NEED every boss to have 16 instant death mechanics with big flashing signs that say don't stand in the big red circle because you need to stand in the yellow circle to grab the blue ball that counters the purple squares but only 3 guys can do it and you need 8 other guys to press the gumpshit orbs at the exact picosecond that the boss uses his xanthurianiconium devastation attack
>I love Classic WoW for the comfy chungus adventure leveling experience!>Now time to join an SM Cleave Group for the next 10 levels
>>741305754>that the whole instance is fun and interestingSo just play anotehr games?Cause every single raid or dungeon in wow is just endelss trashwank.
>>741305984>level 1-10mostly dogshit because no abilitys>level 10-30mostly gold, peak vanilla. well-polished zones whose quest chains inform each other and feed into dungies.>level 30-40first real slog of the game, the push to plate/mail armor and big mount. you will need to grind for XP or money.>level 40-50some nice parts, but mostly a slog. you will rest your head on your hand and adopt a flat :I-shaped expression.>level 50-60the second real slog of the game. all the zones are wasteland hellscape and you live in dungies to farm prebis (lfm brd arena speedruns)>level 60this is where you stop playing entirely because there's nothing left to do but farm gold/mats
>>741296131Trannh game
>>741296808and if you point out any of the ways in which SoD was anti-Classic they resort to shit like>literally no one agrees on what classic+ should be dude, if you ask 100 people they will all want something differentwhich is retarded because if you ask people who ACTUALLY enjoy Classic they will align on 90% of things that should go into Classic+
>>741296131I don't think I can handle the bots one more time.
>>741307332>people who ACTUALLY enjoy ClassicName them.
>>741296808Confirmed not having played SoD.
>>741307596>anonymous website>"name them"you are brown kys
It'll be evident that it'll be slop when they formally announce it and it'll probably end up being retail pandering anyway.
>>741307332>people who ACTUALLY enjoy ClassicDads?Botters?Parsetrannies?
>>741296808>>741296131I just want Vanilla but rebalanced. A Season of Balance if you will.Imagine stuff like SPriest or Boomkin where they can actually cast spells but not immediately run out of mana in 20 seconds. I don't want major changes, I want the shit we already had access to fixed so people can actually play stuff. Nothing is stopping them from slapping a mana reduction cost to balance spells on chicken form, moving insect swarm into balance, or making stupid shit like a 5 talent cost "increases Moonfire's initial crit chance by 2%"Make it so you can only use 1 2 hour buff in current raids and all the old raids you can lolcow 50 world buffs and destroy them for memes if you want or carry your less than ideal geared alts through, world buffs are objectively the most miserable part of classic, which is why it was great barely worrying about them in Vanilla proper.
>>741297879The community will always play what works and is strong. There is no world where people of at least middling, for lack of a better word "skill" level aren't copying the meta. Even complete shitters chase the meta.
>>741302687>Everyone says they love slow ass vanilla leveling until you look and see most people get filtered before they ever hit level 30, level 20 even.Fuck them and fuck you.
>>741299848>Never see priests or shamans or druids make a huge stinkBut you do. Why lie. None of the designated """hybrid""" classes was ever happy about being relegated to cuck duty.
>>741305374normal people have careers&kids by now.Time ist the most valuable thing they have and playing an old game is a bottom tier value proposition.The best one can still do is play retail for 1-2 weeks together on a xpac release before its back to everyone taking care of real live.
>>741300278The people who played vanilla either stopped and never looked back, or stayed mazed and played and loved Classic, too.
>>741299848>Never see Druids make a huge stinkWeren't Druids relegated to literal outside MC buff bots in Classic because they were so useless.
>>741304184>gets himself and his 4 mates reported by 76 people and timed out for 2 weeks
>>741308037nah. im sick of experiencing the same content from 25 years ago over and over. i need new shit thats in the spirit of vanilla. not retail.
>>741308619Define "the spirit of vanilla"
>>741308037Most sane poster itt. That's a great start for classic+, then they can add more stuff with horizontal play, fuck naxx though, the stats are too absurd
Blizzard needs to release a realm that starts at level 60 with all fresh characters in full t3 bis, with permanently active world buffs and full consumables that can't fall offIt's what the community truly wants after all
>>741308364>player agency>RPG mechanicsIn WoW?
>>741308806this but everyone starts at level 1 with nothing and also all world buffs are disabled and the game is rebalanced based on that
>>741308914The community was shitting and pissing when Blizzard added WCB to alliance even though it's obtainable as sweat already
>>741304117>retardins don't even have pvp, at least the other hybrids can blow people the fuck up without abusing some buggy ass talent that doesn't work on half the servers.I wish I had that reckbomb clip nuking the Naxx-geared Rogue from 100-0 right now.Ret pallies were fine in PvP, really every class has something it can do. But again, the modern mentality in WoW is if you can't 100-0 everyone at every time with full consumables, or win every WSG 3-0 then your class/spec is SHIT.
>>741308497I seen to remember something about having to spend hours farming Manual Crowd Pummelers from Gnomeregan just to stay competitive in DPS. Must have been miserable.
>>741309492>Farm Manual Crowd Pummelers and a level 40 blue lw helm you're never allowed to unequip and play the most cancerous unfun retard playstyle imagineable just to do half the dps of a warrior in bluesuhnnngggghhhh my comfy classic sovl...
>>741308037Didnt season of mastery already do this? At the very least I remember season of mastery made the grind for stuff like raid mats and consumes much easier.
For me? Retail.
>>741309759SoM didn't rebalance players, only increased raid difficulty while also disabling buffs.This made players even more reliant on meta chasing than ever before and contributed heavily to the season being a failure.
>>741306978>Cause every single raid or dungeon in wow is just endelss trashwank.The whole point is that the trash is interesting to fight instead of being AoE fodder.
You are mentally ill if you still play any version of WoW anywhere.You know that, though.
>look at hardcore realms>everyone carrying petri flask since level 20
>>741306978>So just play anotehr games?No. For a second, WoW instances were more about resource management, buffs, debuffs and crowd control, and the "trash" mobs you fought were genuinely challenging instead of being fodder for AoE spam. This is the gameplay I want. Slow, deliberate gameplay based around resource management, buffs, debuffs and crowd control against individually difficult enemies in an instance where the WHOLE instance is challenging and engaging. NOT AoE fodder mobs leading up to the big bouncy funhouse boss room.
>>741310116Don't forget refusing to leave the capital cities without every world buff!
>>741310116Well duh. Nobody who plays HC actually wants to play HC.
>>741310214>"trash" mobs you fought were genuinely challenging instead of being fodder for AoE spam.Happened twice: in TBC and in Cata.
>>741309984>fun and interesting>trash Pick one. Nobody wants to do 20 mechanics and cc trash that takes 10 minutes a pull just so they can get a chance at a 0.1% upgrade gacha
>>741310348Yes, the difficulty of the trash mobs in TBC and the very, very earliest version of Cata before Blizzard caved to spammer complaints is the sort of mob difficulty I want.
>>741310214Have you heard of mythic+ retail with affixes? Might be your cup of tea
>>741310116I’m not convinced people play on those for any reason other than ebin clipfarming.
>>741310352You do not need to frontload mobs with a bunch of gimmicks to make them interesting. They just need to be tough.And you should be playing for fun.
>>741310116I thought the flask of petrification couldn't be used until level 50
>>741296131serious why not just make WOW 2 with a classic design in mind?
>>741310587Cool, nuking trash out of existence is more fun than whatever the fuck snake oil you're trying to sell.
>>741310507Mythic+ is more attack spam bullshit and anyone who has tried to sell me on it has been deeply dishonest>UHHH AKCHUALLY WE DO USE CROWD CONTROLS ALL THE TIMEAs fucking interrupts, I found out.
>>741310687Play Retail then. It's a version of the game that already exists and was made just for people like you. We don't need two Retails.
>>741310587>Make the dungeon even more of a slog to get your unoptimized t1No thank you
>>741296131Nah, never played WoW before. I was a kid at the time with no credit card to buy a sub. I just played Runescape 2.
>>741310116hardcore in WoW is just the streamers looking for EPIC RIP RAGE CLIPS to post on youtube shorts and tiktok
>>741310352God I miss planning out CC when running dungeons back in 2005Things were so much more fun back then. We played the game and had fun doing whatever, instead of treating everything as some kind of checklist and consulting some eceleb's spreadsheet on the 0.0015% dps increase of using glorp shitto's sword vs the dilation station mace
>>741297405you will care anon, when you want to come to raid with your guild prepared and it costs a hundred fucking gold for 2 hours of a spell power buff for a 4 hour raid night, you will care
>>741305246The person who made the post in your image is the person being directly described by >>741308364It is insane projection, I don't even know where to start.It's the viewpoint from someone who only cares about raids, bing bing wahoo endgame, only max level max season points matters, max cheevos instant gratification now now now. And based on literally nothing, he is assuming that because older MMOs had slower leveling, that people only liked it because it means people could "get ahead" and reach that endgame state faster. Like he is viewing the 1-60 adventure as a gatekeeping timesink trial, not the core fucking game. I would bet my life savings that most if not all of those replies glazing this easily refuted dogshit are all him samefagging.
>>741310846hilarious he just dropped off the face of the earth after you told him to just play retail instead of trying to make the base game retail
>>741301206>Ascension Does he know?
>>741297918how about forced class distribution, similar to forced faction distribution
>>741303821this but also>inverse stack scaling: the more of the same classes you have in a raid the less effective they are - to prevent stacking the same class in the raid>add random dungeon finder>add flex raid size with dynamically scaling boss hp and mechanic (10 - 40)>increase loot drop count to 5-10x per boss, depending on player count>disable all addon functionality, no exception>ban gdkp>one megaserver per region>remove old raids and only create new ones>mentioning or referencing "discord" is a bannable offense, organizing a group MUST happen in game, no exception>change all soul bound items to account bound
>>741300823troon group 1 attempted to upload malware through the ss14 launcher which lead to people raiding troon group 1 and deposing them, which lead to troon group 2 taking power and now going equally insane and making speeches about the power they hold over their playersdon't play ss14also anyone playing Blizzard games in current year is a fucking retard>censorship>layering>no world chat>can't replicate the zeitgeist of 2005 internet by calling each other retarded faggot niggers constantly>playing with a bunch of antisocial retards who get offended by absolutely everything and refuse to communicate in game>playing with a bunch of antisocial retards who follow guides for absolutely everything and use a trillion addons and macros to the point that the game basically plays itself>it's still WoW so the entire game is doing the same 4 quests over and over again until you hit level cap and then you get to enjoy raidlogging forever
its time to move on. blizzard is not capable of making good changes to classic and the game does not lend itself to the osrs-style of perpetual content additions.keep playing your og>tbc>wotlk freshes or find something else to do with your time (you wont)
>>741314468>>add random dungeon finder>>add flex raid size with dynamically scaling boss hp and mechanic (10 - 40)you lost me
You don't actually want to play WoW.You want to play WoW as if it was still the early 2000's.
>>741314976sounds like you don't have any actual friends
>>741297051can i pay you?
>>741315172who the fuck plays an mmo to play exclusively with their friends?
>>741315104>Shadowlands writing was so bad and destroyed every facet of the Warcraft setting so meticulously that they're now in the process of retconning the entire expansion to "The jailer was just having a schizo moment"
>>741315304>he doesn't have a core friend group of guys he's been raiding with since 2005ngmi
>>741315436I can only imagine the sounds coming from the padded cells at the local asylum in the wing dedicated to people who have been raiding in WoW for over 20 fucking years. I bet the map for every single raid is drawn all over the walls in human shit
i got wow, probably around the end of 2005-2006. i was around 11 or whatever. got the 200 discs, and downloaded them for probably 5 hours. kept looking at that fold out box art they came in, excitement, wonder, etc. download complete. obviously my family pc and network could barely run this, but i launch it and see the login, and the music my soundcard could barely play. i was hooked without even playing, it says to create an account and that this is a subscription based game. i didn't know what that meant, and asked my mom to help set my account up. she spent the 60 bucks or whatever for the game, and now the game wants her to give them 10 dollars a month. needless to say it was a few weeks or crying and whining, negotiating how I can pay ten bucks a months for it. it works, i log in. holy shit this is amazing, look at everyone and what they do, "read". choose night elf, druid. name 'dashrisper', thinking how awesome this is as it loads for 7 minutes. wonder if something is wrong after 10. around 12 minutes it loads in, I was so amazed, awe struck just by the screen. nothing moved around me, but I was used to runescape, so i thought nothing of it. in fact I thought it was like runescape so I clicked to move. Error #132.
>>741297918Lol no everyone will go Paladin because we all know they're going to make Ret broken as fuck.
>>741299608The absolute worst was those fucking incursions. Especially when they first launched and were bugged to bajesus and back. A bunch of people made several thousands in gold just from the exploits.
>>741296480SoD was great at first, but Blizz being Blizz they naturally found so many ways to fuck it up.
>>741296480>Hunters nerfed like 50 different times>Still managed to be broken as all hell the entirety of SODPrecisely why I have no hopes for a Classic+
>>741308037half the specs in the game being useless trash is what they mean by "unique design"later expansions gave classes unique abilities and that's called homogenization because mages being the only caster that can do aoe or single target damage while having the best utility is what games are really about
>>741297263Well yeah no shit the people playing at the top 1% are going to be assholes.
>>741319064it used to only be like 1/10th of top players, now everyone is an asshole
>>741319298people who fuck up on 20 year old content deserve to be ridiculed and treated like shit
>>741296943Nothing is worth making everyone you meet irrelevant for hundreds of hours. Best way to hemmorage all your players.Not that leveling is good.
>yet another human male ret paladin powerfantasy funserverNo.
>>741297405>Image from like 2012.Are you the original artist? We need /eog/ back.EVE is so good with a corporation.
>>741308037this is all i ever wanted as well. there are a lot of reasons why vanilla was good, but the fact that blizz completely sucked at class design is not one of them. i don't know about you guys but i was there a decade ago on the wow forums reading the justifications that existed for the class imbalances.>hybrids have a damage tax this is intentional. if you can do more than one thing its unfair to pure classes. (every single raid has 25 warriors in it which are factually hybrids by virtue of being able to tank but we ignore this)>its literally impossible to balance druid and shaman mana regen because what if they used their good regen to heal??? we cant possibly figure this out sorry. no we wont buff mana spring totem yes it will permanently remain weaker than the paladin equivalent, its called a tradeoff. tradeoff for what? dont worry about it.>some specs are just worse at pvp and this is intentional. no we wont implement any kind of spec swapping system. it will ruin other players' fun and immersion if you are allowed to play the entire game with one character without paying an enormous fucking tax constantlyJust reading the shit they said made my head spin back then. Granted it was kinda the wild west of MMO development still but the idea that you would just leave classes dysfunctional for years at a time never made any sense to me, but I think they were developing it from a "what makes sense in the setting of our game" mindset for a really, really long time rather than caring much about "balance" bullshit. A blessing and a curse really.
i would rather flush 15 dollars down the toilet than play anything made by nu-blizzardi pity the poor fuckers who didn't have their itch cured by shartolands
man, I was playing Vanilla WoW back in middle school. I'll never forget the feeling of wonder, amazement and adventure when I made my first starting character (Night Elf Hunter) and had my mind blown by how big the world appeared to be. I felt that same magic when I made new characters and experienced totally different starting zones and faction/race storylinesI'll never forget the feeling of a localized server with a rich, vibrant community where all the top raiders and PvPers knew each other. or when you saw some dude decked out in the craziest gear in Orgrimmar or Undercity. and man, the original Opening of Ahn'Qiraj was fucking insane. back then, even getting blue gear was considered a great achievement. purple was almost unthinkable unless you were a top player. the best guilds had you fill out fucking job applications lolthere's no way WoW can recapture that. the internet is too far gone and you can't hold people accountable if transfers are so abundant. plus we're in this weird post-irony age where people seem to have trouble being genuineinitial WoW was truly magical. a 12/10 experience
>>741296131You forgot the boosts, nobody levels anymore. They pay to skip the game.
>>741296480who is pushing this shill narrative? its so retarded and wrongsod started bad and got good in the later phases. anyone who says otherwise is a casual nigger and did not play it at all
Im all for the support classes getting some more tools in their kit for damage but they have to give up something in return.Paladins want to dps like a Warrior/Rogue? Cool, but you have to give up Cleanse (you get baseline Purify and have to spec Holy to get Cleanse), Freedom is nerfed (duration + mana cost) and Divine Shield has innate 50% damage reduction in addition to attack speed reduction + cooldown increased.You do not get to have your insane support kit in addition to Warrior/Rogue tier damage.
>>741320296>he actually liked retail-this is how i know classic+ will be a flop
>>741297051>mopcMists of pandaria classic? Really? hahaha when did wow players realise they were being robbed? I tried dragonfly but it wasnt hooking me in, how do classic players deal with the same quests and everything else from almost 20 years ago?
>>741320331why are armchair MMO devs all possessed by guldan>you want power? then you must sacrifice... EVERYTHING
>>741299429It's not hard to tag mobs.
>>741299532It doesn't match WoW PvP. They should make a third person action game.
>>741320427That's how balance was kept. No class could do everything because the game was based on class interdependence>warrior gets merkd by bosses because he cannot heal/dispel but can tank and or deal damage>paladin can survive forever but cannot kill shit or tank effectively>the 2 classes together are a powerhouseYou want your Warrior to have victory rush and 2 charges that dispel roots and second wind and all the things, go play retail
>>741320523OSRS PvP mogs WoW PvP hard actually lmao.
>>741320610>That's how balance was keptA lie, which you know.
>>741296271>youre gonna get FIRED for making a game NO ONE WANTS TO PLAYthe 1 manager and 2 interns working on classic will get fired, watch out
>>741320639>Click move.It's odd that you think that.
>>741320331Warrior literally had better support than Paladin in Vanilla. Demo shout, sunder armor, thunderclap and battle shout, all while having the best scaling in the game bar none thanks to how rage worked AND being the only available tank in the game AND being top tier DPS.
>>741320610what balance? 25 warriors per raid? hybrid dps fossilized or kept in your guild's museum case because blizz gave each spec one relevant helpful buff? there was no balance kept whatsoever, it was a total shitshow. i agree things should be interdependent but you have to turn away from the spirit of guldan, stop letting his whispers corrupt you my old friend.
>>741320161The warrior situation made it perfecty clear that they were just playing favorites.>hybrid tax for thee but not me>also the best overall class in the gameI never wanted dumb shit like retardins being top damage dealer but the constant fucking in the ass hybrids received for no good reason was obnoxious.Some pure classes were fucked too just because, like hunters doing negative DPS (because they have a threat reset/wipe protection every 30s and we just can't nerf that) and rogues being useless third class citizens (because we don't want our warrior babies to feel insecure).
>ummm you can only join my group if you already have <x item that drops from here>>ummm you can join my group but <item you want is already reserved>
>>741320882>>741320914even rogues were just cumrags for warriors who outdamaged them in half the gear>keep iea up you little bitch
SoD was a good for 1 whole weekend but by the time the warlock tank shit was figured out it was over (ngl kara crypts sounded kind of neat too)
>>741308364Leveling isn't good. You can do everything leveling does (e.g., questing and power) with just equipment, without massively segregating players and obsoleting 90% of the world. Players don't want to feel irrelevant, making miniscule amounts of gold in a forced, dumbed down tutorial for hundreds of hours. See >>741319713.
>>741321051yeah and i cant imagine how fucked it felt playing a rogue and having every single warrior in the raid constantly breathing down your neck trying to roll on leather pieces. every guild i was in always had a couple high dps rogues doing reasonably well so i got the impression it was ok to be them, but warrior was still the god king of sweaty dps just because of how stupid rage was.
>>741321337they also share t3 tokens with warriors>no bro we need to first gear up 8 warriors for 4hm>also all our furies need offtank sets
>>741303610WoW has a bunch of professions. Don't pretend as if it's not an RPG or doesn't have an economy.
>>741320713wrong>>741320914you didnt play vanillawarriors need to be decked out to reach that level. they also compete with eachother, going months without upgrades. sweats will always gravitate to whats the most effective method of clearing raids. whats funny is if you took raiding out of the game, warrior would be by far and away the worst class
>>741321738>wrongI mean I know you are wrong, I already said so. Dunno why you repeat it back to me also. Vanilla had no balancing. Vanilla had 3.5 finished classes and a bunch of buff bot hanger-ons that didn't get done in time.
>>741321826just stop, you are wrong and you know it
>>741321738>you didnt play vanillayeah ill step into the holodeck real quick and upload my memory core of the obligatory haha so funny guy playing "mc raiders" and force muting everyone in teamspeak at the beginning of every single fucking raid just to prove the authenticity of my takes. what are you even saying here, warriors weren't the most played dps class because they needed gear? did you forget that everyone who plays MMOs knows that and just secretly thinks "nah, id win" and does it anyway? i agree warriors had a pretty shitty kit all things considered, literally zero out of combat utility (people joking about how your movement skill was charge and intercept on critters for example) but if some kind of balance happened then i would hope those things would be addressed as well.
>>741321042dude, the new raid dropped yesterday in retail, new heroic groups were asking for mythic achievement in order to be invitedretail is literally hell
>>741297918Doubt it man. If SOD was any indication they will make warrior dogshit because "warrior is the best class in the game!" because they do the most dps in the top 1% of performing guilds and are dogshit everywhere else and are useless in pvp outside of putting MS and hamstring on shit
>>741322072ok pinkydon the dress
Test fuck jannies
>>741303219Kino as fuck except you can barely enjoy it because everyone and their grandparents are there and that doesn't even account for all the mobs that spawn. You could have a god tier computer and it'd still be unplayable
>>741296271are you Serbian, by chance?
>>741322264why should a group take slackers?
>>741321154If you didn't do crypts or scarlet enclave, you missed out
so when is warmane being brought down? It's only a matter of time at this point
>>741304141I've yet to do OSRS because my brother owns my account. I did a bunch of RS3 and got sick at the lore changes when I stopped in 2013 and got the Max Cape in 2024.But WoW? I felt it after Siege of Zandalar shoved the Naga and N'zoth stuff and killed the faction war aspect again, and I hated Shadowlands lore that when I got benched for Raid, I just quit.Attempting TWW for Undermine made me disgusted with the lore rape and marvel slop that it was. Because obviously what I want from my UltraGigaJew Capitalist faction was a fucking workers revolt and making Undermine the raid. I never finished the raid because I was so bored and disappointed that I just wanna make my own game with Goblins done right and sexy.
>>741296131MMOs died in 2012cynical cash-grabs from retarded addicts are what's left
>>741296131>Are you ready to play the game, filled with botters, inflated gold, RMT and written by people who hate you?forgot the most disgusting part: >and coded by microsoft jeets
Dunno bout all that but check out this hilarious griefing video from the last FRESH.Shit had me ROLLINGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrVJcgQC6yI
>>741315360You gotta understand that they will never at anypoint kill retail, when it deserves to die for the fucking nightmare it has become. It's a corpse that cannot die as they graft unfitting tranny/marvel/liberal ideals to create a gender affirming tree of flesh that only wishes to die as they attempt to make it bloom transflag cherry petals and are sad it only bleeds. "Next time" they state, looking to sew the cutting room floor of Wrath onto their weeping "willow" they identify as a Cherry Blossom/Oak hybrid cross that identifies as a Redwood.
>>741325073The sad part is that WoW is probably one of Microsoft's few profitable vidya franchises, so they can't kill it.
>>741299608It amazes me how badly they fucked up and straight up fucked over everyone with how the MC difficulty worked.Everyone went apeshit for the .5 tier pieces, and almost all of it was fucking worthless or not good enough for H3, the set alone wasnt even good enough for H2.
>>741322467I'm talking about the event as a whole. From the scepter grind to the actual opening. The amount of degenerate behavior that took place during it's run on classic was nothing short of awe inspiring.>Chilling in caves for hours with the guild watching movies while murdering bugs>Everyone trying to come up with new macros/keybinds to tag bugs even faster than before>Colluding with the opposite faction's rogues to gank the opposition>Endless tug of war turf wars for control of hive regal>That one server where the horde held Anachronos captive by keeping him in combat for the full 10 hours to prevent the Alliance guild from getting their scepter after they mass reported one of the horde scepter targets in an attempt to screw them out of it
>>741326571On my server the whole Kalimdor instance just crashed and kept crashing after server restarts.
>>741296480devs were the caricature of people who are making classic+ as a revenge fantasy for healing hybrids because they couldnt DPS in vanilla wow. meanwhile hybrids were top tier in pvp and leveling. People talk a lot of shit but classic wow was one of the most balanced versions of the game for its progression while leveling and open world PvP.
Troll pussy, that is all
>>741326992Silithus was pretty laggy at the start of the 10 hour war on Skeram as I recall but it leveled out not long after. It's a shame that Blizzard decided not to put more effort into fixing their server side issues and just decided it'd be easier to just focus on doing smaller scale content instead.
>>741296131>expecting ANYTHING good from nublizzhahaha
>>741327457I played on turtle and in their quest to make hybrids "viable damage dealers in PvE", they completely destroyed any semblance of PvP balance. The server was terrorized by paladins and shamans who two shot you and druids who had more pressure than rogue and required a raid team to kill.Vanilla 1.12 has pretty solid PvP balance with some outliers like warriors/warlocks/hunters scaling a bit too much with naxx gear and paladins just defaulting team fights to alliance victory.
>>741321668Wow leveling is fast, RuneScape is slowQuests in RuneScape require certain skill levelsWow does notWow everyone rushes to the endRuneScape people just level at their own pace They are not the same, you can't change it into something it isn't
>>741315104They need to MADE IN HEAVEN the entire fucking setting and bring it back to Warcraft 3 if they want to have anything remotely salvageable.And then they need to get their shit straight. Hire a new team and sit them down with some old sword and sorcery novels and try to get them into entirely different mindset about where the setting should go.Also, these people shouldn't have massive chips on their shoulders about various social issues that would cause them to fuck up the lore because its tangentially similar to something in real life. For instance, don't put the resident Christianity hater in charge of the lore for the Holy Light, because experience hath shown that he will rape it endlessly for the crime of having some aesthetic similarities to the Christian religion.
>>741296131>written by people who hate youBut I'm so likeable!
>>741327940 i get your point, but being pedantic what anon said is true. wow has professions and has an economy. it has rpg( trannys). its just osrs is far 'deeper' than wow could ever be
>>741327927SoD was exactly the same with the 3 hybrids (sham pal druid) being hilariously op, able to self sustain whilst destroying you in 2 globals. Completely fucking retarded. Like yeah a warrior can global you but he needs support or pop expensive consumables to negate the many cc's in the game. I've seen skilled mages in greens fuck with epic geared warriors solo all day.You can never get through to the mongoloids that want to hyper balance the game because to them the game literally only exists within the vacuum of wowlogs and if your class isn't heckin parsing near the top its dogshit. They really should just play retail like its tailor made for them. Classic+ needs to retain some semblance of class identity that's inextricably linked with class interdependency which inherintly requires a level of imbalance between the classes.
>>741327858What does it say about old Blizz that the popularity of female Draenei seems to have taken them completely by surprise?They created a race of cute monster girls with the most pronounced hourglass figures who both titmog and assmog every other female in the game and their posture and animation is such that they're both pushing their assets out and constantly waving them around. And Blizzard didn't seem to have any confidence in them and didn't include them in any of the advertising of TBC and most people didn't even know what a female Draenei even looked like until they encountered them in-game. Instead, Blizzard seemed to have bet everything on the Blood Elf females providing all the sex appeal and the Draenei females being consigned to "female Tauren" status.
>>741328642blood elves have the sex appeal of a cleaning mop
>>741328532TBC does class balance well enough imo classic+ should just be that>Warriorno more janky fury/prot dual wield tanking bullshit. make sword/board viable, uncap thunderclap hit count and make it generate actual threat. make the class not work against itself (you get tankier in vanilla = you get less rage and generate less threat. fix this shit). make stances just small buffs that don't lock you out of pressing buttons unless you are in the right stance>Paladinbrought primarily for utility, of which are very expensive unless you are Holy. ret is middle of the pack dps and not a joke, provides hp and mana sustain (like spriest) to raid. able to tank effectively trash but not bosses>Druidalong with warrior, the 2 boss tanks (for faction balance). middle of the pack dps along with paladin, spriest and shaman. brings the same buffs like kitty/boomkin crit so you actually want one of each spec in a raid>Shamanno silly tank spec like sod. they can off tank trash but that's it. i'm in 2 minds about lust/hero for both factions but as an alliance andy i dont really give a fuck at the end of the dayyou get the ideaalso, no more Warriors wearing leather. plate only, i dont care how you do this (maybe a talent that makes it so you always want plate or just fucking fix itemization).
>>741307054Tourist larper mindset >>741308583Never been banned in wow before, major skill issue
>>741328532The warrior PvP issues could have been solved by giving them a limited root/slow break a la rogue and maybe some kind of second wind talent and removing or severely nerfing free action potions which to be fair were cancer.Another RETARDED thing those vanilla+ private servers do is giving a normalized, all CC removal PvP trinket to all classes.>warlocks now trinket out stun and lose their only natural counter, rogue>rogue is now a total laughingstock and gets raped by everybody
>>741320345Take a break for a couple weeks-months or even years, then tackle it again and again until you contemplate playing hc. I play mopc because that was an expansion I missed due to still being young and poor. I also have a friend to play with sometimes, makes doing the same zones more interesting when you have a nice class combo.
>>741328946TBC also introduced putrid shit like SL/SL warlock, ice lance/water elemental, stunherald, caster hybrids running OOM before killing anyone and healers doing the same damage as those caster hybrids because of their welfare spell power on healer gear.
>>7413070541-40 is kino because it has a lot of class related quests as well as accessible dungeons with great quests rewards. classic+ needs a lot more of this, especially class quests for abilities and gear.>level 40-50i agree with this and its because you're basically at the end of the scarlet questline (and defias if you are alliance which ends in theramore around the mid 30s) and thrust into STV/Badlands with nothing but neutral questlines tied to booty bay factions. a lot of people say this is where the tutorial part of the game ends and its about the halfway point to 60 (level 45) but it's kind of where shit falls off the rails a bit>level 50-60>the second real slog of the game. all the zones are wasteland hellscape and you live in dungies to farm prebis (lfm brd arena speedruns)there aren't enough quests in western plaguelands and felwood, it's that simple really. they expect you to bounce between them with some dungeon grinding but there's only sunken temple to run and you cannot do the last boss at 50, you really should be 55. same with brd, not exactly possible with a fresh 50 group. it just needs more quests and more dungeons to do
>>741296131If I'm payin'I ain't playin'simple 'as
>>741329272i dont think it's an issue because that's what having a priest/shaman/paladin is for, to be a force multiplier for you and for them, you are the attack dog they unleash on people. warriors don't have to be able to do everything imo
>>741329594I agree with you but warriors have never stopped crying about being kited so tossing them a bone while removing their ability to cheese fights with free action potions is a good idea.
its pretty obvious from the suggestions ITT that most people that want classic+ just want to be the #1 fury warrior in the world buffs meta again.
>>741329753lol true, bad warriors will always piss and moan about getting kited to death. it is frustrating, i agree, but that's the price you pay for being able to 2 shot clothies at end game (with support). it's an mmo at the end of the day, make friends with a holy paladin and stomp bg's (i'm not ENTIRELY against something to help warriors solo tho)
>>741329942>t. dress donning paladin that was "forced" to heal in vanilla
Turtle/Ascension trannies can seethe all you like, you WILL be playing Classic+. It will be like that screenshot of the Modern Warfare 2 boycott Steam group where every member was playing the game.
>>741330062you incels are all the same. you want a 30 warrior raid group
>>741330151>picks paladin at the class selection screen>AAAAAAHHH I CANT DEE PEE ESS SAVE ME AGGRENDstay 40 yards away from me at all times (or whatever the flash of light max range is) and shut up. pinkies unfortunately have to be seen, but should never be heard
>>741330151As a diehard Fury Warrior main, I absolutely do not want 30 Warrior raid groups lmao. That shit was cancer. They should still be #1 DPS though, as God intended. Maybe not by as wide of a margin so they aren't stacked as much.
>>741296480>>started off okay but quickly nosedived into retail shit and ended up closer to Cataclysm game design than anythingI laughed when they added literal Cata characters into the new content
>>741330284TBC did it better
>>741330026The biggest PvP balance issues actually come from paladins.>trivialize PvE which results in alliance gearing up faster>COMPLETELY mog shamans into ground as a support class which results in alliance premades winning 99% of the times>turn the best scaling classes, warrior and warlock into unstoppable and unkillable terminators>braindead easy to play compared to shamans who need to always nervously tiptoe around getting intercepted in the frontlines and instantly killed while paladins support from the backline and don't give a shit about rogues opening on them either
>>741299945>Good luck coming up with an iteration of classic+ that at least 33,3% of the current classic community would find acceptable.Why would you appeal to the current classic community? Was vanilla wow appealing to the current classic community? Personally I'd appeal to the 99.9999% of the global population NOT playing wow. Kinda makes more sense business wise.
>>741330284#1 dps should be rogue since that's the only thing they bring to raids
>>741330358Yes to some extent giving non stacking utility that you actually wanted was a good thing however you were still incentivized to stack the strongest classes which were Hunters/Locks/Mages and giga geared Fury. It's just that with the reduced raid size you couldn't get away with half of the 40 people being one class.
>>741330446God forbid they put more into the raid than Mario Party mechanics, that actually requires the usage of class design
>>741330446>the class that can 100-0 you in a stunlock chain and has invisibility should do the most damageabsolutely fucking not. they can get some love in the utility department and that's it.
>>741330497They want the game to be such that you bring the player rather than the class. Which classic and tbc did not accomplish.
>>741296131Still better than private troon servers.
>>741330360Yeah the issue in pvp has always been well played Holy Paladins, I will agree. And can you imagine if you gave them actual Warrior tier damage and how disgusting that would be?To be fair, a lot of them play ret and are just a liability. Shaman also is capable of retard levels of damage (elemental, enhance is a meme). You are overstating blessing of salvation especially when horde get lust, it kind of evens out with alliance getting a marginal edge.
>>741330497the only place which "requires" rogues is the bwl suppression room but even that shit can be just cheesed with paladins turning on righteous fury and spamming consecration>>741330498first, they can't 100-0 anybody in 1.12 and are a mid tier pvp class at bestsecond, none of that matters in pvp where rogues bring nothing other than damage while warriors double up as tanks and provide battle shout
>>741297051>>741315173hnf...
>>741330728you can easily get any class to at least 50% then reset with blind and do it all over again. it's a joke how busted the class is and only rogues will tell you it isn't because they're faggotswarriors are tanks in pvp? nigga you get poisons, stealth, saps, blinds, cc out the ass, just fuck off. ok you can have expose armor, that's it
>>741296131Lol who cares? Classic wow is ruled by streamers, so the most important thing is them getting paid by blizzard to shill classic+, and the classic cucks will eat it up like they always do.
>>741330610There's no bloodlust in vanilla, only windfury totem which is completely mogged by blessings and even the it just results in warriors instantly ripping aggro and dying until late stage raiding with thunderfury and furyprot tanking.Alliance absolutely has a massive advantage.
>>741296480I loved SoD (minus most of the ST patch), looking forward to SoD+A shame tank rogue was never made fun, though
>>741330861why are you chimping out about pvp in the first place when we were talking about raiding?if you want to go down that route though, warrior is also an absolute top tier and vital class in pvpthey're sss tier in both pvp and pve, truly a hero classalso only shitters complain about rogue, which is a pretty mediocre 1v1 class in 1.12 and doesn't see much use in group pvp either
>>741300940That sounds like a pretty cool IC interaction.>Hey, we seem to have dipped out of our proper reality, would you help us to get back, you seem to have no issues walking between the layers of it>Sure, no problem
>>741296131you forgot the pride parades
you fags realize you killed wow right?now say, good.
>>741303350Spirit is a dogshit stat that does not work with the combat or after-casting regeneration restrictions. Having to get three separate stats (mp5, spirit, % of mana regenerated in combat) just to be able to generate your main combat resource, while warriors and rogues don't need to get anything to do that is insanity.
>>741320296phase 1 was the only time SoD was even remotely enjoyable, tranny.
>>741320331You would have to also nerf shaman otherwise paladin is forever doomed to get owned by rank 1 purge spam forever
>>741331235Endgame warriors literally don't even have a resource bar anymore and use skills every gcd at will because of the retarded rage gen mechanics.
>>741331235Classes should never have got their own unique resources, everyone should use mana
>>741322264the funny part is the people who set these insane requirements all bought their ahead of the curve achievements etcsame happens in arena, before random arenas and random RBGs fresh teams would require you to link last seasons gladiator achievement to even start playing with them at 0 rating lol
>>741331316The moment a shaman gets into range to purge anything, he's instantly intercepted and quartered by 3 different warriors.
>>741331235I'm aware that spirit is kind of a crap stat.I'm complaining that instead of doing more to fix spirit and make it useful for classes other than priests, the nuBlizz devs added in fucking these fucking Retail-brained "you get mana back from doing attacks you were going to do anyway" mechanics in SoD.Spirit is literally supposed to be the mana regeneration stat. Buff it, add talents or abilities that help mana-starved classes benefit from it more before diving head-first into fucking Retail+ mechanics. Jesus Christ.
i mean fags, not as in faggots. but as the faggots who do all this shit to research shit and optimize. which i dont care about, mainly. cuz i dont care if someone spends more time on a game, and is better. but you loud fags make it such a point that it kills what we normal fags do. av, dungeons, grouping, etc. it aint coming back, it wont come back, and it is from you niggers, no one else.
>>741331409Sounds more like jews gatekeeping entry to raids so they can sell runs for the cheevo. Disgusting.
>>741331486>dont intercept and dogpile the shaman>if you leave him alone for 2 seconds he chain lightnings your team and instagibs your healer
>>741324929wew loleven in real vanilla we knew not to join raids or groups with randoms while rank grinding
>>741331686>wholesome chungus jesus shaman just flies over your frontline to burst healersEven then a single improved counterspell l/death coil would send him to the graveyard.They're a good roaming and 1v1 class but teamfights ain't it.
>>741296808Don't forget that awful PvP events.>Ashenvale is just faction zerging>can get exalted with Warsong Gulch without playing a single Warsong Gulch>just fly to Splintertree/Astranaar every 3 hours for a free 300+ rep, then leave>leave Stranglethorn Vale every couple of hours while the zone becomes unplayable for 30 minutes>promote cross faction collusion and having the biggest zerg pile of current overpowered class to farm coins>actually forgot to mitigate graveyard camping upon release>fly or sail into the zone at the wrong time and your own faction guards kill youGive with one hand, slap you with the other.
>>741331932faction zerging and people who played longer got mounts specifically for the zone lol and as players became more geared the bosses basically instantly went down but you had to tag them to get credit so new or late players basically couldn't partcipate and once people got their rep they fucked off so new players ended up in outnumbered ashenvales over and over just losing nonstopthe nu blizzard devs are retarded
>>741296131Compfags and minmaxxers will ruin it the same way they ruined current WoW. not the bitters rmt, or inflation.
>>741308037>I want my class to be OP in pvp
>>741333129Those two can't exist without the latter, retard.All of them bot, RMT, and boost/get boosted.
>>741308037This just sounds like TBC
>>741308364This is applicable to basically every videogame nowadays since videogames are mainstream now.The actual long term fans of the genre/franchise are always referred to as weird/stupid/assholes/gatekeepers by the wider community, because those fans get upset when the games change to appeal to a broader audience. It's also the reason no videogame can fucking keep their shit together for more than like a year anymore, because they have these drastically different viewpoints and opinions from people who want vastly different things. Helldivers 2, Arc Raiders, New World, all had the community hugely split between "tryhards" (AKA people who liked the game for what it was and wanted certain aspects of the genre from it) and the tourist fucks who played for an hour a week. Exactly what's happening with Retail/Classic (and in this very fucking thread)
>>741324929>WCB HORDE ONLY
>>741308364they do need to beef up the overworld questing opportunities from 25 to 50, especially the 30 to 40 section
>>741320296P1 was peak SoD you retarded faggot.P3 and P4 sucked. P5 wasnt much better since BWL literally didnt work properly for weeks, and people were gassed by P6.
>>741333950there's no way in hell BWL didn't fall over like bowling pins without a big numbers buff. i quit SoD shortly after the 40 cap. did one gnomer and lost interest. i'll also go on the record that the first phase was the best time i'd had in mmos in years.how did it go from there?
>>741296131fuck blizzard
>>741296131Turtle died for this shit
>>741296131>want to buy midnight and resub because I unironically miss playing stormbringer shaman >remember all of the time I spent grinding M+ keys and raid was boring and awfulI just want to like the game why can't they make fun contentdelves where good but not good enough
>>741334113>buff casters>add a stupidly broken legendary trinket for casters>browns still sit at the top of the meterssasuga, shenna
>>741333950BWL was fine, it just too easy with how gassed up players were from the new MC gear.>>741334101AQ was fine, but the gimmick didn't really effect anything. Naxx had a retarded gimmick that ruined the tier. Scarlet Enclave had a terrible launch, but once they balanced the raid it was pretty great. Getting Ashbringer on a Warrior felt amazing, best legendary they've ever made.
>>741296480i enjoyed the first phase, but i agree that a lot of their ideas just power crept the game
>>741308037If this is all they do, I have no interest. Oh boy, Vanilla again but now I can bring a ret paladin to the raid. Who gives a fuck?
classic can only succeed if you make leveling 3x as long to filter shills and parsers
>>741334572getting rid of world buffs and capping consumables ala TBC will get rid of parsefaggotry
>>741296808>no more slow and steady leveling; 150% exp boost and Incursions so you can go 1-60 in just 3-4 daysThey only did this at the end because it was a seasonal server.>no more specialized class design with distinct strengths and weaknesses; now everything is homogenized and everyone can do everythingBlatantly wrong. You still wanted certain classes and specs for certain things, its just everyone performed better overall.>no more janky itemization; everything is now super streamlined and every new raid is a total gear resetAbsolutely fucking wrong. SoD itemization was still completely wack, this time everything warped around maintaining multiple different set bonuses from different tiers. Some specs were still using ZG sets in Naxx. It stayed that way until the last phase.>player power increased so high that questing poses no threat whatsoever and you can even solo dungeons on most classesAgain, only happened in the last phases when they put runes on vendors in the start zones>dungeon currency that lets you buy full raid tier sets without ever setting foot in a raidWell after they were relevant, Tier 2 was the highest you could buy and this after Naxx came out.All that said, I agree with you that the devs have ZERO FUCKING CHANCE of making the Classic+ people want. SoD, while fun, definitely was not it, and the devs had no fucking clue what they were doing.
>>741331235>while warriors and rogues don't need to get anything to do that is insanity.I mean, the entire point of mana vs non-mana resources is that the mana classes were supposed to be more powerful than the non-mana classes, but they would eventually gas out and get over-run. So your casters/shamans/paladins/whatever would out DPS the rogues/warriors at the start, but after 'x' amount of time they'd fall behind and the roles would reverse. Unfortunately Tigole and Furor's retarded asses happened and everything got fucked up, which really is the same thing you could say for most of early WoW's major "peak retard" moments.
WotLK was peak class design and Classic+ should just base all of it's gameplay off of Wrath.
>tank a spellcleave on pally>mages and locks still can't fucking wait for me to just touch the mob first and die>get ignored by groups wanting paladin on my bear>fuck it grab rogue, dps war, hunter littering lfg>find shaman healer for wf>absolute brostompwhy are melee players so much more chill than casters
>>741296131I've been waiting for vanilla plus for like 4 years, it better be good, but i fucking doubt it, they probably threw it together in a few months after raping turtle wow
>>741296480>>got hailed as "classic plus" when it was first announcedNo it didnt, you weren't there or are lying, no one said thisIt was always seen as a testing grounds for vanilla+
>>741335298Casters are naturally complete pussy bitches, and you also have people who rolled the "meta" classes for heroics, so they feel entitled to it. People outgear heroics now anyway, so the melee cleave groups are way more fun.
>>741296480Nothing but the usual bullshit and disappointment from Blizzard, no surprise.>get told there will be awesome new PvP events>very first phase Ashenvale event sounds awesome, turns out to be basically just a watered down AV and which side can zerg rush each boss quicker>Phase 2 Bloodmoon thing is an interesting concept but very poorly executed>Phase 3 is just Bloodmoon again with different vendor rewards>Phase 4 BRM event is just a dumpster fire, everyone just camps the entrance from Searing GorgeI don't even want to imagine how badly they will screw up Classic plus
>>741327457You really read the dumbest shit on here huh
>>741335401heroics are all easy and nerfed anyway, you won't ever play the buggy stupid versions of them where patrols respawn every 15 seconds in durnholde or the script breaks in bm spawning double waves or whatever stupid shit real retail players had to suffer through in the worst expansion ever for quality control
>>741336127the 360 degree cleaves guaranteeing non plate melee couldn't participate was my favorite
