>increase gameplay convenience>soul levels dropPost your examples
there was something soulful about trying to forage for items and getting repeatedly hit down by bugs and bullfangos in old monhun. Now you just press a button as you run by.
The time limit being so generous that it might as well not even be there in Dead Rising 3, and being completely gone in 4.
Wait, nu-pokemon really just made shops and pokemon centers into a soulless all in one pitstop?
>>741311070nupokemon is dead until it proves otherwise
>>741311195pokemon games are containers for autism modsnintendo's only job is to release the framework
Merging that shit in gen 5 was perfectly fine. This gas station nonsense is not.
Do tendies REALLY chimp out because they don't have at least 6 different loading screens + travel time to pad out their gameplay?
>>741311070yup
>>741311325>Merging that shit in gen 5 was perfectly fine.No, it was not.
>>741311070The pokemarts have been merged with pokecenters since gen 5.In gen 9 they're pitstops becuause you ride around on a motorbike pokemon
>>741307832That's the entirety of pokemon. By the time you get to SV the game is so watered down by """quality of life""" """""improvements""""" that it barely feels like you're playing the game anymore.>Trainers outside gyms are completely optional, they will not challenge you autonomously and you never need them to level your pokemon nor do you need the money because:>Rarely have to buy items because they litter the ground, you will have more potions and pokeballs than you ever know what to do with by just walking around>Exp share is overtuned and exp candies are handed out freely so you barely have to tend to your party and they will level too fast, giving you quicker access to better moves and evolutions>Most pokemon have same-y movepools with more coverage than you know what to do with, never caught with your pants down>Don't have to commit to a team or anything, can access the PC from anywhere in the menu>Don't have to account for how your team would interact with the overworld, they dumped HMs long agoI could keep going but you get the idea. Pokemon produces such garbage anymore
>>741307832Just like real life
Who cares?Still buying pokemon winds and waves
>>741314375how is that my problem?
>>741312390>>Trainers outside gyms are completely optional, they will not challenge you autonomouslyWhen I played SV this greatly upset me. Then I found out most pokemon fans actually LIKED the change.
I think Animal Crossing is the prime example of this. New Horizons STRIPPED so many features. They replaced characters with menus.
>>741311487A game that has zero friction is unironically not as interesting as one that has some. With Pokémon a huge part of the appeal for kid me WAS the setting and how it felt like a believable world. Merging all these together might've been seen as a gameplay convenience nu Ga,efreal, but it makes the world feel more player-centric and fake. It's kind of like how Bethesda games have evolved over time to remove any and all friction and became way less interesting as a result as their modern games are completely braindead.Gamefreak is pretty much the Japanese Bethesda, so that tracks.
>>741312390I already knew battles basically play themselves when friendliness is piss easy to raise and makes Pokémon stronger and tougher, but you're telling me you don't even have to fight trainers anymore? Who still likes this shit?!
>>741312390Most of these are improvements btw.
>>741315649Just play Showdown nigga
>>741307832I unironically miss save points in games, especially JRPGs, there was something magical in going though a long journey, reaching a new place and saving your game before turning the console off.
>>741315737No
>>741315747I miss point of no return messages before the final boss or final sequence of the game...
>>741315828You and all the other fags need to nut up and play pvp instead of pretending to in a singleplayer jrpg.
>>741316016Stop projecting
>>741316084>p-projectingEat shit
>>741316224No
>>741311585Yes it was. Seethe harder.
>>741307832It is harder to make a previously 2D franchise into 3D while making it look good, especially since the games themselves do not benefit at all from 3D in gameplay, it is quite literally a hollow decision
>>741312390>they dumped HMs long agoImagine hating this, the only good change they've ever made.
>>741307832>original game has limited storage space>remake has unlimited storage space>remake is now too easyFuck
>>741316417you could do a lot with 3D terrain in the games but instead they chose to dumb it down.
>>741307832learn to formulate cohesive thoughts retard
>>741311585Why notDo you enjoy the extra 15 seconds of walking in out between the stores
>>741312390>>Don't have to account for how your team would interact with the overworld, they dumped HMs long agoThat one is good tho. HM being meh moves AND taking a slot was retarded.
>>741312390they have raped out so many RPG elements over the decades.poison not ticking on the world map anymore, npc healers everywhere, shitty overworld encounters that are easily avoidable>>741314527they call any sort of battles grinding.>>741316727kys
>>741312390Are we really pretending to miss HMs now? Needing to waste slots on them or use a HM slave was one of the biggest complaints about early Pokemon. Literally no one thought it was a good idea back then.
>>741316727>Gives your pokemon a way to interact with the overworld and participate in your adventure more than being battle bots>Means you must plan for traversal in your journey, as you would if (You) were traveling the wilderness on footAs they were, HMs were not an ideal implementation, but I believe they could've done better than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's a good mechanic for immersion and team building, lends well to dungeon design (which coincidentally HMs were removed at the same time they removed dungeons LOL). Changing it to just calling up random pokemon or delegating everything to your consumer grade rotom or this ugly fucking bike pokemon would not have been my first choice.>Keep HMs as they were, but allow you to overwrite them without needing a move deleter, making it less strangling>Keep HMs as a passive ability innate to pokemon who have the potential to learn the move>Rework HMs to be a class of moves rather than a designated move, such as being able to cut a tree with cut, slash, x-scissor, etc (PLZA did something similar)
Matchmaking and fast travel in MMOs.
>>741317350Pretending to like HMs is the biggest sign of a zoomer pretending to be an oldfag. No one liked HMs
>>741311070Interiors in general are an endangered species in Pokemon, usually aside from the player's house and a couple of story-relevant interiors there's fucking nothing you can enter nowadays.
>>741317568Xenoblade2 has field skills that are passive abilities that are stuck to your selectable units.The fix was really that simple. >>741317697kys
>>741311487Do you chimp out because stores and hospitals are two different buildings IRL?
>>741317089Do you enjoy the extra 3 minutes of walking to the station? It should just be in the main menu
>>741307832I'm not the type of person who likes to randomly shit on Pokemon or anything but I thought the bottom screencap was from a Roblox tycoon or something at first glance lmao. I do actually think the building itself would have aura if it was at night and the shaders looked good
>>741318498Not particularly. The game doesn't exactly have good lighting or art direction.
>>741317738Pokemon is not the only one who made this change. Really soulless and it takes away part of the role playing.
>>741307832at least the pokecenter clerk in SV was cute
>>741312390I hated how gen V had healers in some routes who heal your team. It made it a lot easier.
>>741312390modern pokemon also gives you nature IV and EV max items as well as EXP boosters for like 1 million so you don't even need to use a mon to get to a perfect level 100 comp mon
>>741317350>poison not ticking on the world map anymore, npc healers everywhere, shitty overworld encounters that are easily avoidableGen IV changed the otherworld poison so that your Pokemon are cured of it when they have only 1 hp left instead of them just fainting from it.
idk why I keep having high expectations for this franchise, champions doesn't even have different battle formats like triple or battle royal
>>741317568>consumer grade rotomI hate how they turned Rotom into a smartphone.
>>741319328Blame Ishihara, it's his favorite Pokemon and he has some of the most seniority sway in the franchise, and since Pokemon was looking to be increasingly contemporary to current times, that meant they needed the obvious Pokemon to integrate into smart technology, and they already had Rotom, a mon who can possess technology for its benefit.
>>741319170That a good thing, and comp is played in Champions now anyways.
>>741307832>>741311070Pokemon Colosseum (3rd gen) did this and it was fine.It's about the execution, not the idea.
>>741319208There is a reason why I supported Palworld in the lawsuit (mentally). And also why I hope Digimon makes another good (if Digimon Time Stranger was good I've only played the demo so far).
>>741319429You know what would've been even more fitting than a rare trickster ghost that intentionally fucks with people and their electronics
>>741319579They can't use it for the anime.
>>741311487Games are supposed to have a level of immersion and an attempt to act like the simulated world is real. Putting your hospital in your walmart and slimming them down to just be two counters next to each other does neither and instead damages both
>>741319579Problem with that is Porygon and its evolutions were shadowbanned from the anime due to the permanent historical stain of Electric Soldier Porygon (something that goes beyond Pokemon itself in case you forgot, it completely reshaped Japanese television as a whole), meaning their primary vehicle for advertising to toddlers couldn't actually use their designated smartphone mon if they chose Porygon.
>>741319579The episode he appeared in felt like proto-Digimon. I've also recognized the Evangelion references. Porygon unit 00, Zerogoki used by Jessies team, Jessie has Rei Ayanami's voice and Rei pilotes Eva unite 00 which is called Zerogoki in japanese and Porygon 01, Shogoki.
>>741319639>aaiiiee we have to blacklist this pokemon forever because of an animation mistake 15+ years ago (at the time) caused by pikachu even though we proceeded to give it two evolutionsNot really a good excuse
>>741307832grand exchange in runescape/any remote trading option in vidya
>>741319797It is, though. Japanese television, to this day, still warns you to not sit too close to the screen like a fucking retard and forces shows to be mindful of flashing light effects, all because of Pokemon's fuckup.That's an ultimate shame on their part, and because of it they refuse to let Porygon return to the anime in any capacity out of fear of controversy from reminding japs of that fateful broadcast, even if they do give it attention elsewhere.
>>741319328why the FUCK would I bother with some starting area shitrat when I have a >100spa meta beast with adjustable typings in my pocket?that never made sense to me.
>>741320031so we're waiting on the japanese pokeboomers to die off
>>741320151Indefinitely actually, because media preservation means the episode is still out there, meaning they'll never be allowed to forget and move on.
>>741319656/v/ will say this in one post then later praise trash like Phantasy Star Online in the next. I personally have no love for JRPGs, but I would like to know where the line is drawn.
>>741320031>to this day, still warns you to not sit too close to the screen like a fucking retard and forces shows to be mindful of flashing light effects,I thought that wasn't a thing anymore for a long time? I've seen it a lot in early 00s anime especially the very otaku kind of anime.
>>741320031Japan still gets butthurt when other countries joke about the incident. They banned a Simpsons episode where they travel to Japan and have seizures from watching TV
>>741320383The ban was long ago and maybe the incident was the reason for that but something else like making fun of the emperor?
>>741320227Pioneer2 is a space ship and the medical center and shops are in different parts of it.You probably dont get where the line is drawn because you are retarded.
>>741320031What I also find idiotic is that they refuse to air episodes like the team plasma two parter and the whiscash earthquake episode even ages after the fact
>>741320227Not only do you have shit taste, you're comparing a game from decades ago to what's supposed to be a modern title. PSO was limited by the technology of the time, not by dev laziness/incompetence, and even then it managed to have separate areas for shopping, healing, and accepting quests. And the relatively small hub even made sense in- universe, since you were on a ship that was under emergency lockdown.
>>741318263>an rpg shouldn't have roleplaying
>>741311070Because in setting it's a region with a large amount of wilderness where most travel is done via a motorbike-like mounted Pokemon. In the next game they're in buildings again and in the upcoming ones they're in wooden stalls, again to suit the region
>>741311325It was gas station nonsense before, this is just theme park attraction counter shit. I mean it fits the region's aesthetics, the whole place might as well be a reject theme park.
>>741321864Then the separate buildings are also roleplaying
>>741317851Retarded analogy. If games had realistically scaled towns where you had to spend half an hour just to trek from a hospital to a department store, you'd absolutely throw a shitfit.
>>741307832The lack of load screen is great I just wish it didn't look like a gas station
>>741307832>Actual people running the place in this economy>No bullet proof glass>Overhang for the homeless to sleepThey're doing it wrong.
>>741307832Maplestory after they replaced the boat rides with instant fast travel
>>741307832Dota>courier is free>upgrade is free>every player gets his own>you get free town portal scrolls refills>gets its own separate inventory slot>wards are free
Savepoints vs Autosave
I played Blue and Emerald as a kid.I DID NOT play gen 2.I want to play one pokeman game this summer.HG/SS, gen4 or gen5?
>>741319126There were some heal spots in Gen I dungeons but that's because those were long and difficult.
>>741311195MY HERO!and that fucking cucked charmander blaze
>>741311487>screeches the faggot chimping outno self awareness>>741312390>That's the entirety of pokemon. By the time you get to SV the game is so watered down by """quality of life""" """""improvements""""" that it barely feels like you're playing the game anymore.this whole sentiment is mon hun starting at gens, and especially world onward.I fucking hate what that IP became. Depresses me.
>>741330816HGSS > BW2 (but you have to play BW first) > BW > Platinum > DP
>>741321864separate buildings are roleplaying
>>741307832The fate of nearly all MMOs and Gacha games. Any interesting ideas eventually get streamlined and smoothed out to making grinding as easy as possible for the daily players.
>>741317568>As they were, HMs were not an ideal implementation, but I believe they could've done better than throwing the baby out with the bathwaterZA brought the concept back by having hazards you need certain types of pokemon to clear in the overworld, like needing a water type to clear out sludge blocking your path.
>>741317697Everyone liked the ones like Surf and Waterfall that didn't suck as moves, the problem was the average HM being a power 30 move with no useful secondary effects.
>>741307832I don't think the convenience add has anything to do with it gamefreak is just retarded and incompetent. the new unified look could have been fine if it was more stylized like a retro gas station or anything with flair instead of looking like a mall kiosk
>>741319429>it's his favorite Pokemonthen he should hate Rotomdex/phone, it completely ruined his favored pokemon as a concept. Rotom was cool before Sun/Moon.
>>741320251nah, its still a thing, hell mahou shoujo anime STILL have to tone down the brightness on transformation sequences because of this shit.
>>741307832Gen 5 wins like always
>Palsnoy seething thread
>>741319506what? no they didn't>phenac shop is a separate building>pyrite doesn't even have a pokecenter, you need to use the inn or healing machine at the stadium>agate is separate>the Under has no pokecenter again>gateon port in xd is also separatewhat they DID do was sprinkle healing stations everywhere
>>741312390When pokemon started making games for people who hate jrpgs it died.
>>741307832are any of the 3d pokemon games good or should i just play the 2d/2.5d ones
>>741317568I actually like that they used Koraidon/Miraidon for field traversal in SV. Not for the sake of replacing HM / field move functionality, but because it kept the box legendary in the player's face and as an obvious part of the story throughout the whole game. In most every other core game, characters start hyping the legendary partway through the game, you finally see & fight them near the end and save the world, and now it's just another mon in your PC.
>>741334154Mostly stick to the GB-DS ones. Legends Arceus is alright if you want something a little different. It focuses on catching and the combat has some different systems.
>>741334154>are any of the 3d pokemon games goodno
>>741317525I think people romanticize the fantasy of using your team to interact with the world until it collides with the reality of having to compromise your movesets with shit moves and needing to carry a water and flying type at all times
>>741334548ya it sucks playing the game
>>741317525Feels like zoomers parroting pretentious youtube essays
>>741315747I liked the save cone in Grandia. For something like the first 25~ ones, it has a hints menu, and the last one (still on disc 1) says "thanks for reading with me, bye" and all further saves don't have a Hint option.
>>741335539For me, I've just played pokemon extensively and come to my own conclusions. I've written my own essays around /v/ and /vp/ about various aspects of pokemon that could be overall summed up as the sanding down of everything the Tajiri era established with every subsequent gen.Vidya essays are gay and lame since they're just 2 hours of a verbal playthrough. The only pokemon stuff I watch is weird shit about obscure features and the like, e.g. rare death messages in PMD.
>>741335865Fuck off back to pol, HMs are objectively bad
>>741335913I don't post there so I don't know what that has to do with pokemon, but see >>741317568
>>741307832there was never a single point of time where pokemon was anything other than conveniencemaxxed slop for toddlers
>>741336042The originals were pretty inconvenient all things considered. Even half of the point of the game is to catch a lot of pokemon, but the PC boxes would have to be switched manually if one got full before you could continue catching anything. The bag space is really strict as well
>>741336042>says this about a game with random encountersYou know how much conveniencefags hate this, right?
>>741336259>>741336350Play more games instead of being obsessed with this baby trash adapting to current day babies.
>>741307832for all of it's flaws, absolutely no one complained about Gen 6 Poké Centres, being AIO is not a problem
>>741336381I guess there's no enemies that permanently lower the level of your party members but you don't have to be inherently biased senpai
>>741336381kek, confirmed for being a nu-"gamer" who plays moviegames
>>741312390>pokemon has the combat potential to be the best JRPG series ever made>campaigns are pure slopmost tragic thing in videogames
>>741307832Monster Hunter
>>741307832>Turned the Pokecenter into a bartering centerDunno, kinda comfy for me
>>741310827You still have to sit still to fish and mine, not having to go through a 5 second animation everytime you forage for a herb is a good change, especially when you have to do it three times in a row and none of the animals are even aggro'd
>>741336985it would be a welcome change if you even had to really gather materials in these games anymore. once the farm is up and running you're basically set for everything that doesn't come out of a monster, like dash and pale extract. but dash juices got giga nerfed so you only really have to sweat pale extracts.
