>hard at first but becomes more rewarding the longer you play
>>741307953One of the best imho
oh wow I can finally play some dogshit overrated hipster games how rewarding haha 5 star rating for kowloon's gate am I right sis?? oh wait the chuds can play it too now
>>741307953I need someone to make a gooner gacha where your dailies are flashcard reviews
>>741307953great at helping you recall, not great at much else
>>741308814i'm surprised there isn't a plugin for this yet>get a pull for every x reviews per day>luck increases with consecutive review days until you get a good pull>if you pull you're waifu, she can offer positive feedback and show her boobies while you do the reviewsit's a gold mine
>>741309361yeah man it's not like using language requires you to remember what the words mean
i need forgetting the words I learned like 4 months ago its over
>>741307953Thats not even a game
>>741307953like my penis haha:D
>>741309731it is
>>741307953this is a lie. it actually gets harder and more time consuming. eventually you will accept that you WILL NEVER learn Japanese.
>>741310227im 9 months in and i have already read 4 volumes of nagatoro and chainsaw man in japanese
Neopets?
>>741310456nice desu ne
>>741309361Yeah almost like it's a study tool and not meant to be your main exposure to your target language.
>>741310227The trick is to just read more and stop wasting time with flash cards.
>>741310456how many women you fuck? stupid ho
>>741307953Seeing this logo gives me PTSD of having to study in college
I have an easier time memorizing words doing just about anything else other than this shit, I really don't get it
>>741307953For me I couldn't fucking stand anki after a few months. The reviews piled up until I was doing like 200 a day and it was taking entirely too much time to go through them. Completely took the fun out of learning.
>>741307953>game is unbeatable
>>741314168Tranki is for copers too scared to immerse
>>741314168>>741314274>>741314526flashcards is a proven method to help with remembering stuff. You can choose to not use it but you will learn slower than an anki chad.
>>741313963you are supposed to do both lil bro
>>741311085it won't help you understand stuff like 私として, or 工夫. it's a huge caveat
I often forget that this site is 99% lazy retards who can't even learn a language. Imagine LARPing as someone with interests and hobbies when you can't even put in a minimal amount of effort.
>>741315813>私として>私How in the hell am i supposed to know what kanji sounds like without furigana??
>>741314274>200 reviews a daythat's like 20 minutes. light work. just do them on the pooper
>>741315953>minimalIt's a whole extra job
>>741307953I honest to god think I'm too autistic to use Anki. It's literally a flashcard; just a post-it note saying "hey, 中出し means friend". How am I supposed to find this useful? I'd rather read the word in-context until I remember it than look at flashcards. It just doesn't work at all for me.
>>741307953>Daily runs are too short at the start of the game>Daily runs take forever later in the game>Punished even harder if you miss your dailies
>>741316364without anki:>what does "中出し" mean. i'll look it up in the dictionary>ok i know what it means now. i'll be able to recognize it next time>*1 week passes without encountering "中出し"*>*word is forgotten*>repeat process ad infinitumwith anki:>add "中出し" to deck>spend 1 minute total over the next month clicking "good">now have the card memorized
>>741307953>>hard at first but becomes more rewarding the longer you playThe opposite for me
>>741315813>工夫Immersion won't help you with that either because I'm pretty sure I haven't seen that word (outside of my flash cards) since I mined it from Yokai Watch 3 five years ago.
>>741307953extensive/intensive reading > flashcard retardation
>>741307953Ankidroid is a pile of crap. That shit never import anything. I can't believe this crap has a good review on play store and appstore. I'm very sure they pay Indians to make reviews.
>haven't done my anki in like a monthi'm scared to open it
>>741316963sometimes sunk cost fallacy can be a good thing
>just watch thousands of anime>use dictionaries>use ocr>use text hooks>perfectly understand everything>no grinding required, only pure enjoyment
>>741309682>i need forgetting the words I learned like 4 months ago its over諦めなさい
>>741307953I never tried language learning yet, but anki is the current meta for boards studying in medical school and I'm completely shell shocked, I never want to see that fucking grey window open on desktop ever again. Unironic existential horror every morning when I woke up and checked how many reviews I had to do.
>>741317085>no grinding required, only pure enjoymentonly the first few months are hard, after you get through a core deck and read a grammar guide it really is just immersing in media you like
>>741317085that's also grinding but 100% worsedo you really think having to look up words in a dictionary every 30 seconds is not grindingand you will have to do it far more often than spaced repetition users
I don't know about hard but it is far, far too tedious. I've never been able to keep on this for long before getting bored. The pace is glacial and I don't know how to help it. I'd rather just read and watch things I like, and anything I don't know I put on google to find out how to read it or ask ai why it works the way it does
>>741316806I literally just heard it in the audiobook I was listening to. It's not that rare.
>>741317638what book?
>>741317246When does the mining start?
>>741317727nta but i mined that from Gundam
>>741317291If you engage in something around your current level then you shouldn’t have to look stuff up constantly.Reading native material also makes it easier to try and figure meanings out on your own, based on context of what you do understand, and it sure as hell feels more rewarding and is more engaging for your brain than sitting in front of a fucking flashcard app all the time.Any language learner is better served picking up a graded reader or whatever instead.
>>741317803when you are reading/playing/watching, i mine every word i dont know which is probably not the right way to do it but its helped so far
>Install anki with the recommended deck>a week later>completely forget about it>repeat every few monthsHow do I avoid this?
>>741317727I couldn't tell you, honestly. I downloaded a bunch of these at semi-random and I'm just listening while I game, only half paying attention. When I finish one I start the next. I like these because they have good quality audio and no music or other distractions so it seems like ideal listening practice. Might have been book 1 of KonoSuba but I'm not 100%.
>>741317978Just do it instead of forgetting about it. I know you want an easy answer, but that's the truth.
>>741317978just don't forget
>>741317978not for you clearly, you cant half ass it
Thoughts on WaniKani? Some of the mnemonics are retarded, but sometimes they're so retarded, I remember them because of it.
>>741316806>>741317890>こうやってよぉ、材料が少ないところでも、工夫次第で、いくらでもうまいもんは、つくれるもんよ。I mined it from Chrono Cross. A cook is saying this. I think it's a good sentence for this word.
>>741318254Use jpdb.io instead. You should aim to learn the most common vocab first, and simply work your way out from there, it will make it vastly easier to immerse in content if you know like 70% of the words already.
>>741307953>only uses anki>can't readANKI DRONE. Don't be one
>>741315978I don't know, how are you supposed to pronounce "archaic" without someone telling you first?
>>741317978For me its trying to learn japanese for a week but then getting so burnt out by my failure to understand anything when i attempt to immerse in 'easy' stuff or stuff that im interested in that i quit for months until i do it again. idk how you get over that initial period of low comprehension and it hurts. also japs talk way too fast
>>741318254Their site is free to use to search for kanji to learn radicals and mnemonics, which is nice, but I wouldn’t pay for their service. I did many years ago but if you really wanna go that route just get Anki instead. It’s not that hard to set up and you don’t have to pay.
>>741315953Africans in Somalia can learn French, Spanish, and EnglishThere is literally no excuse for anons
>>741318254Kinda pointless to pay for flashcards I think, but it's true some of the descriptions are bizarre enough that you might remember it so I appreciated that
if Anki is a video game, so is fantasy football.
>>741318352comfy
>>741318572mattbros...
>>741316715>see 中出し in context>girl is tentacle raped cummed inside her womb>oh, ok, I guess it means to get cummed inside, now every time I see the word I'll be able to remember this girl getting cummed inside>see 中出し in my deck, preceded by and followed by 100 other flashcards>no context>can't remember it>no memoriesflashcards are gay, just read pornography, images next to text and used in context help you remember things better.
>>741318512Graded readers like another anon said. That's a great first baby step. I had the same feeling of being overwhelmed and immediately giving up the first time I tried cracking open a visual novel and going >wait, what the fuck is all this? >absolutely none of this was in my anki deck...But part of that was also the anki deck I was using was absolute garbage and taught me lots of business terms that were completely useless to a fresh beginner.
>>741318572まったく、小学生は最高だぜ!!
Just look at this wordlist and find the Japanese word for every one of thesehttps://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Basic_English_combined_wordlistThen you will understand Basic JapaneseIt's that simple.
>>741318715hentai maxxing and anki is both is the correct way
>>741318730are there any particulalry good/recommended graded readers
>>741318554Kek, they learn the absolute bare minimum they need to survive, which is not actually that much, especially in a cucked liberal country that will bend over backwards to cater to them, not even remotely comparable to what anons want to learn Japanese for.
>>741318730I recommend reading a VN that lets you have both ENG and JP text at the same time. I think the Grisaia Phantom Trigger VNs do this.
>>741318962Learning Japanese through hentai is fun
>>741318967https://tadoku.org/japanese/en/free-books-en/This is the shit I used, I don't know if there's better out there or not. I just started at the lowest level and read all of them and went up to the next level after I had finished everything in the previous level. https://tadoku.org/japanese/book-search/?level=l0 Start here I guess.
>>741318967Nta but I’d recommend the Tadoku volumes. They are really designed just for extensive reading, i.e. you’re not supposed to look anything up, as long as you get the gist of the text you just keep reading. But I did intensive reading of them as well. They go from Level 0 to 5, 0 being the easiest. Each volume contains like 5 or so books. Mostly fiction like classic Japanese and Chinese folk tales or mythological stories, etc, but also some factual stuff about Japanese culture.The volumes are well done in that a lot of the same grammar and vocab and kanji appear in each book in a smart way and the ramp up in difficulty from level to level feels smooth.There are physical versions of the books to buy but I believe the digital versions of all of them are free to download on their site. If not Annas archive or z-lib has them.
I'm almost done with my 1.5k anki deck and grammar guide, am I just supposed to pick a game/manga/anime and grind that shit and start a mining deck from that or something?I just realized that I don't really have any specific media in mind that I wan to watch/play in japaneseI guess I will pick some random VN or ps1 jrpg or something, any suggestions?>inb4 then why did you start studying JP in the first place retardI mean I thought that I had all those cool options and untranslated games and shit but now that I'm here I simply can't choose something
>>741319174true
>>741320078try playing a game you like and are already familiar with in Japanese. that way you have an idea of what's going on already to help with reading comprehension
>>741320078FF7Gyakuten SaibanBiohazard
>>741315813Yeah almost like it's a study tool and not meant to be your main exposure to your target language.
>>741320078よつばを読め
>>741316806>>741317890I remembered the 2nd kanji from pic related and what do you know, the first kanji has that as a radical too.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8A%9F%E5%A4%AB
>>741319569Also I’d recommend hiding the furigana while reading because it’s real easy to start relying on it instead of looking at the kanji.
been playing monster hunter story as my first japanese game
>>741316715nta but I memorized kanji and words much better when in context rather than through Anki. The only words I could remember through Anki are otona for adult and 1~4-tsu. Though for the latter I remembered them better when thinking of them contextually like "Futatsuiwa" or "Mitsubishi".The biggest flaw for me is that I don't really care for anime or manga so there isn't a real motive for me to learn, as much as I'd love to. There are some untranslated stuff I'd like to consume, but not enough to motivate me.
>>741320630IMO, the best way to learn a language is the same way the natives learned it, which naturally is impossible, but you can still try to approximate it to the greatest extent possible. Everyone learns their language spoken first, only later do they start learning kanji. Learning kanji first is backwards from natives. That's why I think there is no shame in using furigana early on. Especially since there is no shortage of furigana-less works in Japanese. Enjoy furigana when you can.
>>741308814Fucking genius!
LN recs? Just finished 偽物語 (上) and want to branch out to something else before continuing with the next one
>>741309361Well, that's its only purpose, it's not meant to be great at anything else, you don't eat cake expecting it to improve your handwriting, do you?
>>741308814The 4chan captcha should be in japaneseThat would teach me real quick
>>741321264運命の夜
Why do I remember shit from Duo so much better than Anki? Yeah I know Duo is shit, but I remember that shit. With Anki, just staring at a set of lines gives nothing.
anti ankitards must have been dropped or something
>>741321264First five books of Boogiepop were alright. Felt like it peaked with the first book, though. Itai no Itai no, Tonde Yuke was great if you like horror.
>>741321329Is that this one? https://bookwalker.jp/de30fba53f-1049-4ee9-9317-46ab3b82a162/think I'm a bit outside the target demo>>741321539Thanks I'll give the first one a try then
>>741314168People often ignore how important it is to actually care about your preferred method and pretend like brute forcing language learning is gonna be effective. You're probably better off playing a game you really like in your target language than forcing yourself to review flashcards
>>741321127Definitely no shame and I think furigana is great but my interest in Japanese is pretty much entirely reading based so maybe it’s different for me. I just find it takes longer for me to properly memorise kanji and their readings if I don’t hide the furigana first when I read a sentence for the first time. But I use it constantly when I do need help recalling or looking things up.
>>741321350I know this is a dumb question. I'm just trying to figure out what's the mechanical difference here that imprints one thing in my brain over the other.
Fuck japs.
>>741308814Renshuu is basically an improved flashcard review website/app with an extremely basic gacha and level system in it.
>>741321996That's the idea.
>read-only niggers
>>741320078>I guess I will pick some random VN or ps1 jrpg or something, any suggestions?Just pick anything you find interesting rather than something considered to be "easy", it's better that way since playing something you're interested keeps you engaged and motivated. In terms of VNs, just be sure not to pick any "chuuniges" or any VN made by rail-soft, they're hard to read even for natives. For actual games, avoid picking games that have a lot of complex mechanics that require you to spend a lot of time reading in-game tutorials on how they work. One thing to keep in mind is, no matter what you pick, it's gonna be excruciatingly painful and slow to read through, you're gonna essentially be slowly reading things through the dictionary due to all the unknown words, that's just how it is when you're just starting. Just keep in mind things get progressively easier as long as you keep torturing yourself...
>>741307953>If you don't know the way you are meant to play the entire game becomes a giant chore where you don't have any fun>If you do the game is way more enjoyable and takes tenth of the timeIt's absurd how this applies to education in general too
>>741307953Kinda shit game, I beat it though.
>>741307953>more rewarding the longer you playNo. It's just boring, but at least it only takes a couple minutes each day now.>>741310227You haven't done it long enough to talk about that.>>741323156>beat it
>>741323156>>741323494i dont know why my graph has so much orange shit, i think i might be retarded or something
>>741321264死神を食べた少女
>>741321918Because you are a dumdum that didn't make their own cards so you are actually learning in duolingo while memorizing out of context data in anki rather than using it to memorize things you learned somewhere else
>>741307953>Game punishes you with a losing streak the worse you playThere will come a day when I don't confuse 당초에 and 평소에 for no reason, remember what 벌어지다 and 벗어나다 and 불어나다 mean for longer than two weeks, memorize the difference betwen 불쑥, 벌떡, 문득, 갑자기, 느닷없이, 뜬금없이, 번쩍, 불현듯, 뚝, 새삼, 깜빡, 깜짝 and 언뜻, and don't fucking mix up 긍성 and 성금, but it is not this day.
>>741324102So for a dummy like me, you're saying to read/play something and make my own deck along the way? That way I'm engaged in actually using the cards? Makes sense to me.
>>741307953>make the cards yourselfI always give up at this step. I don't want to customize fucking flash cards, I want to start learning.
>>741324278Grab a premade deck then add cards from whatever extra thing you'r reading or listening to or learning from.
>went 16/19 on mature cards todayFuck my retard life
>>741324208>willingly falling for the korean memewoman mind broken by k-pop and dramas or heritage learner, which one are you?
>>741324208ん?これは日本語スレだぞ?!その豚字を見せるな
>>741324208>불쑥, 벌떡, 문득, 갑자기, 느닷없이, 뜬금없이, 번쩍, 불현듯, 뚝, 새삼, 깜빡, 깜짝 and 언뜻, and don't fucking mix up 긍성 and 성금, but it is not this day.>doesn't even know the difference between 문어체 and 구어체tranki users are the biggest retards I've ever seen. Drop that shit and immerse. You're completely wasting your time.
>>741323675Same I keep forgetting like 70 cards every time
>>741323156>>741323494>>741323675>>741325556fuck i think i might be retarded
>>741326187start writing them down
>>741307953How do japanese read handwritten shit sometimes, I swear some of them write radicals in the most abstract way possible, it feels worse than reading something written by a doctor.
>>741324250Yeah flashcards are purely a memorization tool, when you make a card for something and bring it up you try to remember the meaning you distilled yourself in the process of creation and what brought it up rather than two lines of text
Please do NOT learn Japanese, I want to feel specialI will continue to shit on you for not knowing moonrunes though (enjoy your trannylations cucks lolololololol 草生えるわwww)
>>741307953i thought art was going to be like this but im nearly 3 years in and it hasn't becomes more fun or rewarding at all
>>741307953Time waster and gives you fake confidence. Appeals to the Duolingo crowd. t. Bilingual
>>741325336I am going to use the tool for memorizing things in order to memorize a thing, yes
>>741327072Language is not memorization. >>741327053this guy gets it
>>741326893steve is based
>>741327168Yes it is. Arguing against it is like arguing that "money can't buy happiness". It sure isn't as easy when you don't memorize your words.
>>741327462Kid, what languages do you know? How many women have you fucked with your second languages? Sit down and take notes from people smarter than you instead of embarrassing yourself
>>741327053>>741327168holy retards
>>741327053being bilingual because your parents speak another language doesnt count we're talking about one you learn by yourself
>>741321127Learning new words once you know the kanji becomes trivial Like you can wonder why bunbougu means stationery or you can think about it as 文房具 sentence tassel tools and map them to so many other words using bun, bou, and gu to mean sentence, tassels, or tools
>>741327053I think it's good for two thingsa. getting some kind of base at the start because immersion is a giant pain in the ass otherwiseb. mining (within reason)grindmonkeying giant decks is retarded
>woah-oh, we're halfway there>woah-oh, livin' on a prayer
>>741327638I don't wonder why stationery is stationery in English, I don't see why I should care in Japanese either.
>>741327541Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it...
>>741327630I started learning when I was 25.
>>741327672If you have nothing else, it’s a good alternative to doing nothing I suppose. Nowadays it’s probably easier to find a Japanese person to speak to online. When I studied, I lived in an area with no Japanese people and archaic social networking.
>>741327545good luck out there tranny. 2 more reps and you can transition to identifying as knowing the language
>>741327750But you do know what a station is and you do know what the -ery suffix does in words like finery or confectionery, so you don't need to brute force the sound "stationery" with no context in order to remember itMeanwhile when you're first starting learning Japanese you have no idea what is what, and trying to map sound to sound is a hell of a lot more work than mapping it to kanji, you might think the bun in bunbougu is the same one as in bunya or tabun or you could just know the sentence bun kanji and have a free association for every bun related word
I've got this new spaced repetition method where you have to recall the definitions of words, best part is they get sorted by frequency and you get grammar review at the same time.It's called READING!
>>741328192And when you encounter a word you dont know you search it up.. aka anki
Learning japanese i was surprised by how similiar it is to my mother tongue(albanian). We share a lot lot sayings and metaphorical use of verbs.
>>741328192why would i want them sorted by frequency and not by difficulty? i fail to see how seeing the same words 90% of the time will allow me to quickly memorize the words that may appear in the remaining 10%
>>741328192Tranki trannies are scared of ambiguity
>>741315813learning the language as a whole is a lot easier when you know the direct translation for the 2000 most popular words.it's not gonna teach you the language, but when someone asks 今何時ですか? and you know they said "right now + when + question?" then it helps your extrapolation and further learning.
>the ultimate step progression guide to immersion >(1) precure/kamen rider (month 1)>(2) slice of life or romcom manga or erotic doujinshi (month 2-5)>(2.5 optional) dlsite asmr>(3) slice of life or romcom anime (months 2-5)>(4) visual novels or videogames (month 6-year 2)>(5) light novels (year 1-year 3)>(6) everything above but without ocr tools, instant lookup dictionaries, and external subtitle crutches (year3+)>(7) news reports and opinion articles(month 6+)>[8] actual literature(year 2+)>[8.5 optional] talking to japs(month 6+, year 1+ if to strangers and not like a tutor or teaching environment)>[×9×] scientific papers(year 4+)>[×9.5×] legal documentation(year 5+)>§ 10 § archaic japanese(year 10+)>∆@@@∆ chinese If you can get to 6 on the list, you're gonna make it. This is assuming midwit IQ and like min 4 hours of free time per day everyday. You don't need to go above 8 unless you want to live or work in japan, and I mean actual corpo jobs, not like konbini or construction shit.
>>741328945nobody is reading nhk news in 6 months
>>741315978>Steal Chinese characters because buddah seems cool>translate them with new made up characters to match local mouth sounds.>use the Chinese characters anyway>women invent another alphabet on top just for fun>use all 3 in daily life as well as randomly throwing in English words just because :>)
>>741328945you have to be a neet without adhd to do all that
>>741328824>someone asks 今何時ですか?have sex
>>741329201>women invent another alphabet on top just for funYou know this is just completely made up right? What book is it that claims this bs? Genki right? I remember when they taught us this in class but it isn't actually true at all.
>>741328945this is retardedjust read whatever you like (just look shit up if needed)
>>741329349I dont remember where I read it, but from memory the monks made some alphabet that's dead now, than language became katakana, and then court women made hirigana for fun.
does AI actually help with learning? if yes, in what way
>>741315813Holy NGMI
>>741330181I find chatgpt very helpful for explaining the difference between similar words.
>>741330181When you reach the output stage it can correct your grammar
>>741330964Anyone practice speaking to chatgpt for practice if you dont wanna pay for italki? Im not at the output level but talks pretty fast even if I ask it to slow down.
>learn the hiragana>learn the katakana>ankicards to memorize each kananow what
>>741331437watch anime, k-on is good for beginners
The crushing realization that even when you know every Japanese word you still won't know Japanese
can i get a hot japanese wife as a n american from learning japanese? if the answer is no ithen m afraid the effort isnt worth it
>>741307953using anki to learn is like playing guitar hero to learn how to play a guitar.
>>741331798no it's like using fingering flashcards to learn guitar actually :)
So what's the TL;DR of actually learning Japanese? Try to get up to 2,000 words under your belt, then start immersing and looking up new shit until you're able to understand most sentences? VNs and JRPGs would be best right? Because chat backlogs, and because most don't have real-time cutscenes? I was thinking about switching my Tomodachi Life living the dream to Japanese since it's all just nouns and simple phrases with furigana. Is that any good?
People seriously use this shit wrong. You're supposed to cycle things you ALREADY learned.
>>741331543Well yeah, language is more than just words. Learning every word is pointless anyway. No native speaker of any language knows every single word.
this board really is full of retards huh
>>741332118Ideally you would be immersing from the start, just with simple stuff. You can learn hiragana/katakana real quick that way.
>>741307953>if at first you're not good at something, give up how do I break free from this when it was instilled by my dad? i remember trying to learn how to draw or speak german and literally threw out my pencils and study materials after I failed his "tests" (to see if I had potential) and would beat the shit out of my mom as punishment coincidentally, he also has zero hobbies or interests. i don't want to end up like him.
>>741332183You still need to know the tens of thousands of vocab natives built up over many years
I'm curious, does anyone do Heisig anymore, or am I just that old?Either i'm misremembering or it's really been that long but i actually hate kids' games and books that only have kana; I need my kanjis, probably because i'm used to reading actual novels
>>741332118You want to start "immersing" right away, if you memorize words out of context you won't really know them. I started with song lyrics since those are fun and easy even as a beginner. Then I moved on to manga, VNs and video games. I have tried some anime with japanese subs and books for children but that shit is hard.
>>741307953Almost every video game in existence?
>2k words>grammar guide>start reading LNs>become over reliant on yomitan and too lazy too mineImproved alot with grammar but my vocab is at a standstill, maybe picked up a few words. Cant be assed to actually do anki reviews, but there is really no other way unless you are exposed to the same word literally hundreds of times.
>>741333324I also hate mining because instead of just watching the content it feels like im hunting for words and that got me tired.I just downloaded a huge core deck and suspend useless cards like ”ashtray”
>>741332423Serious answer desu just learn to enjoy the incremental improvements. Throughout the journey you will encounter shit that would have seemed like chingchong gibberish a year ago, or even a week ago, but you'll know it as if it was your native language. You'll reflect on your past self and laugh at how retarded you were, not to mention the plebs out there who refused to try. It feels pretty good
>>741333324just bind the mine button to A or something and click it whenever you open yomitan
>>741332760People do KKLC now if they want to learn writing
>>741332262first day on /v/?
mehlanguages aren't spamming words/flashcards and memorizing them lolthis is midwit tier you are meant to listen to natural language holistically, i.e tv series, people talking irlyour brain will naturally pick up words that occur, and will become permanent long term knowledge when they occur a certain amountbecause you consume it naturally and dynamically you will automatically get attuned to how grammar and the language itself flowsit takes around 3-4 months to become conversational at any language if you consume it naturallyif you also read a lot, you can become fluent in around 1 year marknative level around 3-4 years
>>741334020>uhhh actually you don't need to remember words>just spend 100000 hours listening to the language and you'll become fluentwhy dont you people understand that the praise for anki is based solely on the fact that it is time-effective. yes, i could probably learn the language more or less passively if i could spend five years of my life doing nothing but engaging with my TL - but normal people cannot do that. that's why they optimize their studying time by only studying the things they are about to forget (i.e. using spaced repetition). but yeah man keep talking about>hurf durf children don't need flashcardsand ignore the fact that it takes a dozen years of pure immersion for a child to become eloquent
>>741334248>t. dekinai anki user
>>741334248>>741334347>japanese don't use flashcaアック!
>>741318254There are Anki cards for Kanji that are free. Sure you don't get a big explanation on meaning but for purely memorizing them it's the better option.
>>741308814Just add a picture of some big titty cartoon bitch on the answer for each question
>>741334752japanese dont learn englishthey study for english examsbig differenceno wonder anki anons are illiterate
>>741335716They also study for their nihongo exams. It's a huge culture of studyfags which is why the language is so fucking hard to learn, you are learning a language for nerds, studying is not optional if you don't want to be treated like a retard.
>>741309361That's a huge benefit though. Like a massive one.
>>741315978it's about the grammar, not the rune, retardo>>741320184immersion is a meme. your best bet is to hope to find an explanation or a paraphrase>>741321127the best way is to have someone next to you who can explain everything come across and tells you how to phrase what you want to say.
>>741323494How in the fuck can your graph looks like this? Did you just speedran everything in 3-4 years then proceeded to keep doing dailies for the next 6?>>741323675What in the shitting fuck? I guess you disabled new cards for long period of times or this is a splitted deck like tango.>>741325556>>741326187>400 reviews a day This might be your problem, 10+ new cards a day is counter productive. I'd claim 90% of ngmi or anki quitters are because of too many reviews.I use like 3 decks, the core6k, tango and a personal one mining anime openings. 100-150 a day is the right spot if you spend several hours a day in immersion.
Also I swear japan just make up words for their song lyrics, this is the nippon sangoku opening and 2/3rd of that shit I've never heard once in my life and most of these words are archaic usage on top of it.At least understanding the op makes it 5 times more audible kino I cant lie.
>>741307953Tried this over a decade ago and it doesn't work.I memorized like 500 words or something and then I noticed I forgot lots of them as I was introduced more, and bored of it.Better learn how to speak first, then read and write in Japanese.
>>741325336>>For me, it's the 5th from left.
Just use the memory palace, anons.
>>741338009>犇めく>didn't get assigned reading of うしめく>didn't spawn a number of animal kanji x3 derived words with varying, nuanced meanings similar to 犇めくAnd this is why Japanese is bullshit. We needed words like 羴めく(ひつじめく, verb, to crowd in a blind, thoughtless, sheeplike manner) or 鱻めく (さかなめく, verb, to crowd silently and with uncanny coordination) or 猋めく (いぬめく, verb, to clamor boisterously and joyously).
>>741337625>How in the fuck can your graph looks like this?Nta, but im pretty sure it's the neet with like 50,000 mature cards. He's just autistic and has unlimited free time
>>741340873even native speakers need to do this lolor you will forget words in time, especially rare words
>>741341019True, but I don't think natives know 14k+ kanji
>>741307953literally the oppositemy reps take fucking forever
>>741341174my Japanese friend sometimes can't read common kanjis lolI think he knows around 500-1000 at most
>>741341242https://streamable.com/1l1om0
>>741318387>jpdb.ioThis is pretty cool, I'm gonna try moving my anki deck in there. I have started it from scratch recently anyway, there are like only ~40 words in it right now.
>>741339023It's a little less bullshit when you understand that ひしひし is the sound of two things being pressed tightly together and めく is a suffix used to turn onomatopoeias into verbs.
>>741341648I imported mine like 3 years ago and never looked back.
>>741341781What advantage does this have over Anki?
how do you play Crosswords as a japanese?
>>741341685there is nothing bullshit about japaneseeverything follows a rule lolit is same as english and any other language
>>741341860No, not everything. Kanji readings can often be arbitrary. There's no rule that governs how they should be read, due to how the written system was introduced to Japan.
>>741341242that lives in usa or japan?
>>741341832>sentence examples for everything>click on the kanji in a vocab to see other vocab using that kanji>click on a reading to see other words that use the same reading>check how common a given word is in anime vs. news vs. books vs. etc.>review priority algorithm is more gradated, reviews aren't chunked into days, it's more like minutes or somethingThere's more shit I'm forgetting probably. It's just really good, I can't think of any reason to use anki over this unless it's incredibly important that you have anime screenshots to go with your reviews or something. You could even add those if you want, but you will have to subscribe to the patreon to unlock the feature to add images to cards.
>>741341961is Japanesewent to some D tier university there, so is technically even uni graduate yes they unironically rank unis lol, best is S tier the amount of Kanji you see important in daily life is not that many, and imagine reading books
>>741342074>and imagine reading booksYou aren't supposed to brag about being illiterate.
>>741342040Apart from having access to their database, Anki can do all of that if you pair it with Yomitan. Anki also has the FSRS algorithm built into it, which is far superior to the old schedulers.
>>741342074>I'm illiterate I can tell lmao
>>741342226midwit>>741342131most japanese people don't read books, easily 90%+last time they read something is either highschool or university
>>741342305>most japanese people don't read books,Neither do most burgers, they're all still retards. Sorry you're friends with a retard, I guess.
>calling everyone tards>is posting on /v/sasuga anon, show them your high iq
>>741309741lol
I play games in Japanese on the regular by now but I'll never get good at reading names, it's all the annoying parts of kanji as a system without the part that actually makes it work. I've been playing Judgment recently as my first untranslated Gotoku game and keeping the names straight is way harder than understanding the plot and dialogue.Having your name be written 服部 and the reading being Hattori is a crime I can only barely forgive by it being famous enough a name to probably be recognizable by sight once you know it.
>>741341551>https://streamable.com/1l1om0kekhow does this have no repliesis everyone dekinai here
>>741308814Actually a great idea.
>>741317638Fruits of Grisaia【天音】マキナにはいつも教えてることなんだけど、大切なのは“工夫”をしないこと。
>>741341854
>>741342617everyone has same names in japan even in kanjiyou get used to itit is all satou, yamada etc etcif it is uncommon name the japanese also can't write without the person telling you how the kanji is written
>>741307953My memory is too bad to learn with this. I can only learn by immersion and writing
>>741342635Check the archive, it's old shit, I remember seeing this exact link before. I also don't know who this streamer is and don't really care, vtubers are cancer.
>>741338009Have you never seen 白濁液?
>>741318715>see nakadashi in context >nice it means getting cummed inside>create card that includes the context you remembered it fromnext time>see scene you remember>oh yeah that ones nakadashi????
>>741342617I agree, the worst part of reading the Boogipop LNs was absolutely just keeping people's names straight, it was so bad I started writing them down in a list to refer back to as I read. They also only tell you how the name is pronounced the very first time you see it, after that you're expected to just remember it somehow.
Dragging this over here since the thread died instantly>>741342394>Sonny Boy>acting like this Anime had any meaning to itHoo-boy. I'm not even going to bother to help someone this far gone.
>>741334826Its not the same, I already know whats to come part of the excitement is not knowing what comes next
>>741342635Oh wow, vtuber can't read "lake." Somebody stop the presses.
>>741308814I need monster catching/raising game where monsters are named after nouns and verbs and commands used in target language have multiplier
>>741332118flashcards are not really language learning, you do not "store"/process words in memory that waythat said using Anki is still helpful and will speed up your learning, but if you are spending more than 30min on Anki, feel like you've done your daily learning quota after those minutes and don't do any reading then Anki is downright detrimental, it will just high-jack your "I've done my (boring) daily work and now I'm done". procrastination mechanicyou will make a lot more progress forcing yourself to read/listen to stuff if this is how you work psychologically
>>741343135she doesn't say lake kek
>>741343270anti anki brigade is hereanki makes learning 10x faster
This shit requires too much focus, literally impossible.
>>741343273Yes, she can't read it so she defaults to "sea," though ironically, lake is just water + sea in Japanese.
>>741343135why can't she read itdo japanese people really struggle with kanji? is this a hard kanji?
>>741341860actually most westoids struggle with japanese because english is a bullshit mutt language with no rules, so people never learn basic grammar concepts on a intrinsic levelapparently this is why germans and spics have a far easier time too
>>741343483No, it's not a hard kanji, nor is it particularly uncommon. My guess is that she's just an airhead.
Since when do pokemon have kanji?
After a half year of learning I realized that unless I was literally in Japan and summoned by this shit language 24/7 I will never make it.
>>741307953>game lacked thematic nuance and didnt challenge me as a player
Nips being somewhat bad at their own language is not that uncommon. I've seen one streamer (big Granblue streamer) not being able to read 暗澹and another not being able to read 河童.
>>741343526Since Black and White I believe.
>>741343526gen 5
>>741343526Since GB
reminder to all anonsjapanese need to study kanji till end of highschoolno, not literature or anythingliterally just pure japanese/kanji
>>741343557Also sometimes you just blank out and when you see the reading it's like "Oh yeah duh of course", happens to people all the time with other native languages and gets a lot more common if you know more than one.
>>741343557暗澹 is pretty obscure, but 河童 is inexcusable.
>>741343621>河童most foreigners know thisKappa maki is popular in the west
>>741343621here's the context btw
>>741343730Oh, it was a quiz asking for 河童の川流れ? lolKind of embarrassing, but I can't blame him as much. I suck at Wheel of Fortune, and I'd call myself somewhat well-read.
do you use ore, watashi or boku?
>>741343839wagahai
>>741343819I think he only needed to remember the first kanji for 河童 to clear it. Also there's 妖怪 in the hint.
>>741343839oresama
>>741343839washi
>>741307953>Studying an hour a day will take you 4 years to only reach B2 Japanese as a native English speakerFuck that shit
>>741343839Watashi IRL, but ore online. I hate the people who use boku and the way you come off when you say it.
>>741343897boku irks me as well, not sure why
>Only halfway through 폴란드인에 위한 한국어 3 after 3 yearsI'm half a year behind. How do I motivate myself to learn grammar?
>>741343839朕
>>741307953Once it gets to the point where you're using it to procrastinate on other stuff, it's pretty fun.>>741343839ファゴトーサン personally.
>>741343925朕ポ!
>>741343839Actual Japanese people switch depending on the situation just like you switch verb endings depending on the situation. Japanese is highly contextual.
>>741343839某
>>741343943this is so wrong lolit is like a starter pokemonthere is no changing later on
>大使>大便hehehehe
>>741343943Unless that context is "time to work my shitass convenience store dayjob" not really.
>maleinfinite options>femalewatashi
Gonna second what >>741344000 said. You tend to have a default one for your casual speech and a "polite" one for your job.
>>741344002female can also use their name as a pronoun
>>741344000Nice trips. My understanding is "boku" when the situation calls for humbleness (talking to my boss at work, maybe just at work in general), "watashi" in a classroom setting, "ore" with my friends and family.
>>741344038If they're 8, yeah.
>>741344038FUCKING PRONOUNS
>anon meets a cute jpgirl >-san, -chan or just name>you have 3 seconds to choose or you will look weird
>>741344057Or slightly retarded, which is cute
>>741344094How into me is she?
>>741344094You will probably get charged with honorific rape for anything other than "san" in 2026 unless you are a turbo chad.
>>741343839As someone that worked in a Japanese office, I drifted towards 僕. Every day there was a morning meeting where you stated what you were doing/where you were going that day>section leader, male, used either 私, both わたし and 私>females of all ages used わたし>males, both younger and older onces tended to use 僕, sometimes 私>that's if they used it at all, no need to say pronouns when it's understood that you're talking about yourself
>>741344135you can't know, japanese girls always act nice>>741344146depends, partially trueI know many jp dudes that are average just -chan any new girl they meet lol
>>741344094-sama so I can infuse my power with the collective cringing that happens within earshot.
>>741344246>僕I do hear boku very often in the streets/outside where people are just being friendlyidk why anons think it is offputting or what other japanese people thinkI never really formally studied japanese though, just picked up from living there 私, is too formal imo, sounds weird on guys especially if it isn't keigo mode
>>741344363use dono then
>>741307953Umm mortal kombat
拙者
>>741344384Because most textbooks teach that 私 is formal/neutral and that 僕 is something young boys say (they say 俺)
>card was a leech
>>741344543
>>741344473mfw my 30yo japanese friend uses 俺 and お前
>>741344684Because that's probably in private or with friends.
Ever come up with a mnemonic so retarded you instantly know you'll never forget it?>yeah 無い is Bill Nye burning inside of a brazen bull screaming "I'm Bill Nye let me out! Let me out!" and you don't because his show is kinda nothing>never going to forget that one, send itCounterpoint: coming up with a mnemonic so fucking forgettable and abysmal you look forward to having to learn the word again in 3 days.
>>741344785This. Also, just to throw on another anecdote: by far the most common pronoun I see on futaba is "ore". >>741344839>needing a mnemonic for what is probably in the top 5 most commonly used words in the languageStop wasting time with gay bullshit like that and just study more words, god damn.
>>741344896It was the first example that came to mind, settle down.
>>741309361Learning languages needs many different skills. Memorizing vocabulary is just one.
>>741344896>orebecause everyone online tries to act cool and smugthis is why I am ore main irl also
>>741344473僕 is something young boys(girls) say
>>741343839>informal/casualオレ>formal自分
>>741345190and pedos
>>741345535JIBUN WO
>driving car with girl>she puts on a Vocaloid song>I see the name on the screen and phoneticslly spell put the katakana with perfect pronunciation >"what does it mean?">idkfuck have I been learning all this time?
>>741345850>katakanaIt must have been a strange pronunciation of an English word.
>>741345956Why the fuck is there kanji for baseball but they needed loan words for "asia" and "indoors".
>>741346109>asia東洋>indoors屋内
>>741345850>>741346109>>741346234are you troubled?
Replaying sekiro in full JP really made me appreciate the writing more. The effect from butterfly switching from 倅どの to 狼 is not at all the same in a language without the given-name autism of Japanese. Ditto for taking the elevator to senpou and the idol addresses you with 御仁、そこの御仁, or owl switching from retainer-parody speech たくらむなど滅相も。to Kuro to plain gruff 謀よ。to (You). Reading anything native is still really slow with the amount of vocabulary there is, even in simple seeming material.
>>741346335>what is stylistic choiceswait until you read dialogue from someone that is supposed to have a really distorted voice, you will have an aneurysm seeing the kanji and hiragana on the dialogue get constantly swapped out with katakana randomly
>>741346494>that is supposed to have a really distorted voice,You reminded me, this shit was fun trying to decipher.
>>741318512Well stop trying to immerse yourself on week 1, no shit it won't work if you try to play it on nightmare difficulty modeLearn your kana, take as long as you like, don't fall for retarded "YOU GOTTA BE DONE WITH THIS IN A WEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!" garbageLearn your grammar, take as long as you likeDo some Anki, doesn't need to be some 300 a day shit, do 50 if you're lazy, take as long as you likeOnce you have a good amount, then start immersion, it will be much easier with all the foundation you've built from the above thingsLanguage learning is not a competition. You don't have a deadline. Take it at a leisurely pace and you won't burn out. Don't listen to retards going "but -I- started with the hard part first and did fine???"
>>741346904>no shit it won't work if you try to play it on nightmare difficulty modeIt's not that it won't work, it's that few people can pass that filter.If you are one of those autismos that can handle standing there like a retard going through the dictionary and conjugation sheet word-by-word like a lunatic, and taking like 30 minutes for a single dialogue box, you WILL get fluent in like 10 months.Almost nobody has the screws loose enough to pull it off however.
What are your guys' thoughts on using non-native content for learning and immersion? I'm at the point where it feels like a waste to not consume media in Japanese in order to have it also serve as language practice, but as a result I've exclusively played Japanese games for the last three years. There's stuff like Silksong or BG3 that I would like to play but not if it's gonna teach me a bunch of wrong or unnatural language.
>>741347750I'd judge by the standard of >is this western media very popular in Japan?If so, the localization must not be that bad, go for it. If it's niche, maybe avoid it. For example, from what I've seen, Japanese seem to fucking love Skyrim, which has made me curious about trying it out in Japanese. No clue about BG3, but seeing how seemingly woke it is it wouldn't surprise me if there was fuckery in the localization.
>>741347750You'll learn more efficiently if you know the source well enough to remember lines from it. Otherwise I would avoid non-native material until you're advanced enough to identify bad translations.
>>741347917>is this western media very popular in Japan?>If so, the localization must not be that badI don't know how true it is but supposedly the Harry Potter books have a terrible translation despite being hugely popular.
>>741347980Harry Potter is just bad to begin with. Are you sure it's the books that are popular in Japan and not just the movies? I remember there being lots of Japanese fanart of Hermione back in the day.
>>741347917Skyrim VR seems like it would be pretty funny as a means of immersion.
>>741347980>>741348047Another important question is: when we say "bad" do we mean that it's not faithful to the source material or do we mean that it's stilted, unnatural Japanese? If it's the former, who cares? If it's the latter, then yeah, that's bad for a learner. My assumption is that in order for something to be popular, it NEEDS to be written so that it sounds natural to natives, otherwise it can only have a niche audience. In English, for example, weeb media often has stilted translations that only weebs are willing to forgive that limits the mass marketability severely. But something like Ghibli will get a way more natural sounding translation (regardless of how accurate it is to the source). In summary, if normies like it it's probably fine.
>>741347750At the current point in time I struggle the point in even consuming non-native-japanese media in the first place so this is not an issue for me.However for the few westoid stuff that was still decent (pre-2016 stuff) I would still just consoom in westoidese, the TLs of the few ones I tried were so fucking dogshit even current AI generated slop is better.
>>741334020>you are meant to listen to natural language holisticallythat's how you end up a half-literate mute who chokes in front of peopleyou're supposed to use the language and come up with strategies to cover holes in your knowledgeand language is self-reinforcing, so mistakes are amplified>>741348448as long as it's translated by natives it should be fine. just remember that you can't just lift any word or expression (e.g. esoteric shit like お見知りおきを) and weave it into a conversation expecting natives to listen to you with a straight face
>>741347750Silksong barely has any text in it so it doesn't really matter for that. BG3 is fully almost voiced in english with no other option however
>>741348347>Another important question is: when we say "bad" do we mean that it's not faithful to the source material or do we mean that it's stilted, unnatural Japanese?It's always the latter, even if english doesn't have enough depth to properly convert japanese 1:1, japanese can easily convey anything you want from english without any nuance loss.At the very least it seems to just be translator incompetence rather than malice like it is in the west, they likely just get paid peanuts and don't care/just use MTL like here.There's like a single exception, the JP dub of spongebob seasons 1-3 and bits of s4, for whatever goddamn reason that is almost fucking flawless, and the only small nitpicks you can get from it is some jokes had to get localized due to dialogue timing issues, and it really shows, if they were allowed to add or remove a few seconds here and there in the scenes it may possibly be the only EN to JP flawless translation around, but concessions had to be made (and it may fuck with comedic timing anyway).I have no fucking idea why spongebob and ONLY spongebob s1-3 of all things has such amounts of effort put into the translation and dub.
>>741307953Everytime I play this game I do it straight for a month until I have 500 due cards in one day and I just give up
>>741348961If you got 500 cards due it's cause you're doing too many new a day. Keep it to 10 new unless you wanna spend over 30 minutes every day
>>741348961You gotta think of it as a background skill, not something you actively grind. You just let the vocab accrue 10-20 (depending on how many hours you work) a day until you've got enough to start actually reading/watching stuff and THAT'S the stuff you blitz.Don't get too motivated with flash cards, it's just a means to an end, more important to concentrate on what you want to use it for (videogames).
>>741348756>that's how you end up a half-literate mute who chokes in front of peoplethat's how i am in english as well though, bit presumptuous of myself to assume i can get more fluent in a second language than in my native one
>>741334020Nigga if this was true I would've become fluent in japanese after decades of hearing it in anime and games already.But yes reading is obviously more important and should be done alongside flashcards
>>741329787>than language became katakanaHow the fuck are you drawing katakana with a bush. Katakana have to evolved later from hiragana
>>741347750>he doesn't use the ultimate weeb gaeshi jutsu of playing native Engish games in their JP translations
>>741343924Thats korean
>>741350453And?
>>741343483Maybe she can't read it, but vtubers also very often play the "I'm so useless and vulnerable, I can't do things without your help my dear viewers", so difficult to say if it's genuine or not.
>>741343924Try not being Poolish
>>741345956>encounter a katakana word I don't immediately understand>it's german
>>741350781>カリウム>レントゲン>ゲレンデ
>>741308120>Still fucking RAPED over Kowloon's Gate from 5 days agoKek what a bitch.
>>741307953should I enable FSRS?
>>741351486If you want an idea of the level of fanfiction and giving up outright to make shit up that Hillslop is renowned for, just have a look right here. To expect anything resembling quality from him and his patreon scam is laughable at best.https://racing-lagoon.fandom.com/wiki/Loading_screen_poems
>>741350517너도 나처럼 고통받아야 해.
Honest question, just how much time it takes daily to even start learning? Kana is whatever, but daily anki grind + grammar seems to take hours... Not to mention you need to spend some time on listening/reading as well
>>741351883I spent like 30-60min per day. Been lazy and just doing anki and renshuu so I'm like N5 after one and a half a year.Need to finally start with immersion but where do I find time for that, I have so many hobbies.
>>741351593Wrong reply?I was talking about the guy from a few days ago who had a mental break over "performative" translation enjoyers and proceeded to attack everybody about it for 48 hours like a schizo.
>>741351883Literally depends entirely on how fast you want to be>10k words at 1h of Anki vocab a day will take ~9 months >if you want to do 30min of Anki a day you're now looking at 18 months >being fluent requires ~2000 hours of active comprehensible input immersion >if you can do 2h a day it will take you almost 3 years>if you can do 1h a day you're looking at twice that >you can supplement it with passive immersion where you'll be listening to Japanese in the background for up to 6-8 hours a day while doing something else >however passive immersion hours count only as 1/6 of active immersion hours >but it's better than nothing and also builds other skills
>>741351883About an hour on the kanji grind if you're taking it seriously. You'll make progress on 15-20 minutes if you're unmotivated and want to keep it easy, as long as you're not trying to read those VNs asap.Grammar, usually another hour, or 10 minutes, depends on the lesson, but just do that whenever.>reading/listeningWell I wouldn't view that as a grind or practice, at that point you're just reading and listening to stuff, watch some bullshit on niconico that looks interesting, play some games, whatever. If you're viewing "immersion" as a grind that kind of misses the whole point of learning a language.That said the first like 150 hours are pretty painful, keep to easy slow kiddy shit.
>>741352248>>10k words at 1h of Anki vocab a day will take ~9 months That's 40 words a day. Pretty much impossible I was at like 1k after 9 months
>>741307953I hate it as much as the first day I ever laid my eyes on it. Still refuse to lose my streak tho.
>>741352440I'm doing 25 new words a day + 25 recall cards for those new words, takes me ~40 mins and I'm at 5k words 7 months in (1k loan words excluded), you're definitely doing something wrong
>>741352440>1k after 9 months. That's 270 days. You did 4 words a day.Which I mean hey, you got there.I was a 20 a day andy, but 40 doesn't seem that bad, especially since Anki decks are a bit bloated with verb conjugations counting as different words when they really shouldn't, and then a lot of compound stuff that's a no brainer unless there's a weird one-off reading. Loan words that are just 90% free. Still 90 minutes-2 hours but you know, that's not NEET territory.
>I'm a heckin' japanophile but I hate cramming and studyingwell bitch I've got some bad news.
>>741315813A. Yes it willB. Why do ypu retarda always rely on the assumption that if you use Anki you don't read/watch/listen/speak anything else? Just admit you were too lazy to study and gave up two weeks in.
>>741307953If you follow instructions, it should be easy at first because you didn't do 100 flashcards on your first day. And if you follow instructions, you prune out the difficult cards so it's just a matter of reviewing the easy ones that you might have remembered anyway without Anki.
>>741348793>There's like a single exception, the JP dub of spongebob seasons 1-3Where do you watch it? A while back I was trying to find jp spongebob but i couldn't find it anywhere. Netflix and Youtube just had the newer seasoms.
>>741352989The leech card recommended settings are a bit insane for that, I agree. What the hell were they smoking.
>>741351593What is the fucking point! What is the fucking point of being a FAN-translator! You can get paid to write fan-fiction. Why taint the hobby space!
>>741307953Djt thread
>>741308814>>741309405>having to study to conquer different waifus>used mainly by students who feel they can't study otherwiseThat would bring in the big bucks.
>>741309405There is a casino addon for anki already desuhttps://ankiweb.net/shared/info/606177837
>>741310227>it actually gets harder and more time consumingGood, I hate being bored
>>741348347>In English, for example, weeb media often has stilted translations that only weebs are willing to forgiveMaybe in fanTLs but those are niche by their very nature. Mainstream I don't see this point of view at all. Maybe during NES era if you disregard the bigger issue of the dialouge being fanfiction. There are stilted translations where you can tell someone got bored but those are sandwiched between tons of other bullshit.
>>741317291I must be stupid because I have to look up words literally every sentence. And I just feel like I absorbed nothing more than the bare minimum from my grammar guides. It's discouraging because I'm doing a manga that's apparently "baby bitch easy" but there's never a sentence where I don't have to look stuff up, meanwhile everyone else is like "Oh guys I just finished Kaishi and I feel like I'm falling behind because I have to look stuff up every 30 seconds >_<"Like WTF have I done wrong?
I like duolingo because it gives me positive feedback and I don't have to make the lessons myself
>>741320078its an absolutely horrible game for mining but in terms of spoken dialogue i find ff7 rebirth fantastictheres a fucking amazing spread of accents for both men and women across party members and npcs and they slur their words sometimes too so its not like its entirely theatrical and "perfect"if you do all the content youll find yourself a lot better at listening by the end of the game even if you didnt understand some partsyou should get really good at reading first before you do more listening thoughi know prolific djt people now recommend doing 50/50 listening but i wasted two years doing that making very little progress, just become really good at reading firstspend the bulk of your time reading novels and just listen to podcasts anime youtube videos etc whenever you can
>>741354401If you are literal you are probably translating things and letting them leave your head instead of translating them and associating translation to Japanese text
>>741347750Japanese translations are usually fine for immersion purposes but do not model your speech or writing after them in any way. They'll very often rely too heavily on pronouns or English fantasy jargon rather than the native words. A prolific example of this is Harry Potter, beloved in Japan, but specifically ill-fitting as immersion material.
>>741354804The recommended method is doing only listening until you can actually understand what's being said while at the same time studying vocab, that way you can bring the two together when you start reading, any other method results you in having to tackle 2-3 different things while reading instead of just 1
>>741355621im no linguist but i dispute that on the basis that its better to safely tackle 2-3 things in less time than 1 thing over a long period of time where you feel like all the progress is invisibleour brains enjoy feedback on what we are doing and as soon as i was a comfortable reader i found myself a much better listener tooi also dispute that its 2-3 thingsreading writing speaking and listening are all seperate skills but they do feed into each other
>>741307953instead of learning kanji you learn the sentences with the kanji. its not a good way to actually memorize kanji. if you truly want to learn to write you have to do it by hand and think how kanji are being written.
>>741354401I had the same issue, in short dont get too granular with lookups, limit lookups to one per sentence, prioritise nouns and verbs. Youll make it. Also stop comparing yourself to other people, everyone learns at a different rate because of dozens of factors
>>741353139nta but the easiest bet is private trackers
Why is the this thread x10 better than the ones on trash, int, and jp?
>>741351883Depends entirely on your goals and how much exposure to Nipponese you've had previously. If you only want to learn to read, you can easily learn the core kanji plus a ton of vocabulary in a year with just an hour of studying a day.
>>741356953Last time I checked it's because it's full of fags that make the fact that they know Japanese (badly) their personality and they shit on people that are actually trying to learn.
>>741356953jp's brains have entirely melted into a fine soup, I don't know.Otherwise it's because people here want to use nihongo for something, namely videogames, not just to know it. There's an incentive to actually try to learn the language.
>>741356953general threads always lead to pointless gossip and ritualposting, no exceptions
>>741356953Nobody is using a tripcode, for a start.
I see absolutely no reason to study japanese at this point, their cultural relevance is shrinking rapidly and LLM powered translation tools keep improving at a breakneck pace, including abliterated locally hosted ones.
>>741356953Dunno about the other threads but /jp/ pretty much entirely migrated to 8, all that's left here is literal bots and a few VN autists.
>>741307953>more rewardingAnki only gets more and more miserable the longer you do it.
>>741356953most people on this board are already bilingual and being bilingual is not treated as something special unlike jp learners who have no other personality traits and think being able to speak another language makes them greater than everyone else
>>741318387>>741341648>>741341781Regarding JPDB, is it a true replacement for Anki? Are there any drawbacks? Can I still mine from Yomitan?Also, how can I find the "common" words? Assuming that I'm still using Yomitan to mine, I have a Yomitan plugin that shows me word frequency already, but which threshold for frequency should I be using for frequent language? 10k and below? 20k and below? I really have no idea.
>>741307953>Game traps you in a cycle of thinking you're being productive and improving but you're actually not
>multitudes of ways to read each character>multiple counting systems>3 writing systems, the two 'small' ones are a 100 characters each>still a jumbled phonetic speech system with endless characters sharing the same soundswhat a botched atrocity of a language japonaise is. Is Mandarin this bad?
>>741357497Skill issue? I was struggling more when I was just starting out and figuring out the readings and meanings, now I can almost suspend new cards as I see them because I can tell what they mean and how they're read based on previous words
>>741352669>you're definitely doing something wrongWell, then go ahead and tell me what I'm doing wrong. I'm at 5 words a day because 10 or so just causes the number of cards to review grow up uncontrollably and I feel like I'm not retaining any new words. All the cards are approaching 100% difficulty too.
>>741358173The things that make Japanese stupid and hard are the same things that make it fun and soulful.
>>741357535>most people on this board are already bilingualoh yeah i keep forgetting that this board is mostly jeets, thanks for the reminder
>>741356953beginner threads always deteriorate into a rumination sty for the ones that fail to improve and end up permastuck. same shit with the /beg/ general on /ic/.
>>741358173English is a highly irregular language. Japanese is hard because it's an Asian language and has linguistic concepts completely foreign to European languages.
>>741358173in mandarin characters have 1 reading, rarely 2they only use moonrunes in normal lifetheir latin alphabet transliteration is only for documenting pronunciation
>>741352440That's when Anki is at it's most fun. It gets a little boring when you're not overloading your brain with common stuff.
>>741358173I dont think i could ever handle mandarin because my eyes gloss over all those charactersKana breaking up the monotony of kanji clumps helps so much with readability if you are a filthy monolingual gaijin
>>741358173>>multitudes of ways to read each charactera literal forced meme by westoidsjust learn words individually and suddenly it's exponentially easier>multiple counting systemshardly any different from saying 4k or 3.6b or 41%, you get the point with just the signifier>3 writing systems, the two 'small' ones are a 100 characters eachagain, just westoids being retarded on purpose, especially when learning radicals up to 6-7 strokes makes memorizing and identifying kanji piss easy>still a jumbled phonetic speech system with endless characters sharing the same soundstones are a thing retardwhy are westoids so stupid?
>>741352248>this is how monolingualets look at language learningit's not all raw numbers you fucking sperg. passive learning with proper immersion skyrocketboosts learning. you'll only get it if you learned a new language before shitty translators became extremely commonplace and you had to wing your shitty language ability and infer a lot of the blanks through real application instead of study.
>>741358173>multitudes of ways to read each characterif you're anglo you have no right to complain about this
>>741358704If you think you know Japanese before you reach the 2000h figure you're experiencing the Dunning–Kruger effect
>>741358173Once you learn こ learning ご is extremely easy unless you are doing something really retarded
>>741358813The effect for reference
>>741358173>multitudes of ways to read each characterImagine how non-native English speakers feel trying to figure out how to pronounce entirely distinct phonics like:>tough>thought>throughつまり出来る
>>741358675You're only scraping the tip of the iceberg. You have no idea how similar the other western languages are to each other. The retards who learn spanish and italian and french do the dumbest most ineffective meme shit and get away with it because the languages are so similar. Then if they get hard skill checked when they try to take it to japanese. Even the US government got BTFO trying to teach its soldiers Japanese using classroom meme methods
>>741358173All of these are exaggerations but to answer your question no mandarin is easier to learn
>>741358813That's only like 6 months of immersing.
>>741358982Nah those are minuscule adjustments compared to the possible spectrum of readings, compare that to kanji where you can see 大人気 and not know if its daininki or otonage(nai) until you read the rest of the sentence
I remember trying Anki for a couple months before realizing there's very little japanese media I'd want to consume.nowadays 99% of my japanese consumption is Sumo, and all you need to know is oshi-dashi and HAKKEYOINAKATA NAKATA NAKA-TA
>>741359208One pronunciation of minute is 10,000x more common than the other. Same shit here
>>741358935yes we all know what dunning kruger is faggotalso it's quite often people calling out others on it are well deep in it themselvesnot accusing you of anything though ;)
>>741359273Have sex, loser
>>741359174Even if you have 11 hours free every day for active immersion (most people don't have even 2), your attention and energy will collapse halfway in and the rest won't count as full immersion anyway
The smart people are learning Mandarin right now.Imagine wasting your time with Japanese after your 15 yo weeb teenage phase.
>>741307953I got filtered by the grind of making decks
>>741359374why would I
german anons, please recommend me some very, very easy german books to use for anki
is this "immersion" meme the "bone smashing" of weebs?
>>741359306Again, you're slightly adjusting one sound vs reading completely different words while looking at the same characters
>>741359409>learning languages for moneylolI don't want to ever go to china. I want to go to Japan and parts of Europe.
>>741359476what's that
>>741359409And then theres you learning nothing
>>741359306True. I've literally never heard anyone say the "my-newt" pronunciation in real life, only in movies and shows. Obviously it comes up the most in books. In spoken language that specific meaning just doesn't come up very often though.
>>741359362I don't think dunning-kruger is something you can get deep into. It's not a fallacy.
>>741359547An irrelevant reference to Clavicular (a retarded e-celeb) allegedly (haven't investigated if that's real or not) smashing his face with a hammer to get a better bone structure.
>>741359409>5 years living in Korea >got good at Korean>couple years studying Japanese in the anglosphere>got decent at Japanese>fell for the Mandarin meme>studied it every day for 10 hours a day for 4 months in jail through a Korean-Chinese dictionary>got out>spend 3 months in China, 3 months in Malaysia so far>Both places suck>In Malaysia all of the girls I date are Korean and Japanese>no intention of ever going back to china or malaysia ever again>but about to triple down on chinese and go to taiwan because sunk cost fallacy
>>741359476tranki is the bone smashing meme because it's forced and unnatural. immersion is "just go to the gym bro and cold approach" of language learning
>>741359847Neither works, just be born Japanese?
>>741359847flash card is a proven method to work and is used in all different type of fields
>>741359476no, immersion is just a fancy way of saying "actually use the fucking language you fucking monkey", and using stuff is the easiest way to learn it
>>741359958>>741359983Immersion (and "just go to the gym bro and cold approach") worked for me through first hand experience and no shills shouting about studies will ever make me care about tranki
>>741354705Don't use Duolingo.In fact, any app that doesn't offer a lifetime subscription is highly suspect. Because it means they have a financial incentive to keep you dependent on the app.I switched to Bunpro (for grammar/vocab) and Wanikani (for learning Kanji) and it's been much more enjoyable. I'm kinda half assing it so I'm still only like halfway through Bunpro's N5 after about 8 months, but I feel like I'm learning way more than "Sushi and Green Tea".The only thing Duolingo is useful for is drilling Hiragana and Katakana.I need to really knuckle down and start doing the immersion step though.
>>741360365Bunpro is better than duo but it also has a sub for the better practice content. Although if you're learning elementary Japanese (which you are until N3) you're better off getting Genki 1 and 2 and the associated workbooks.
You guys know how Japanese school children learn kanji in class?>say the onyomi >say the kunyomi>draw out the kanji in proper stroke order while counting out loud>write it down a few times>and then write it 20+ times in a drill book for homeworkI wonder how it works for them
>>741360708young brains with more neuroplasticity can absorb it easier
>>741360708No need to learn this way if you're not a native schoolboy.
>>741360708They end up hating it.
>>741360708This >>741360760But also that kind of drill can work if you are living there and growing up in that environment constantly being blasted with common kanji
>>741360760>neuroplasticitycomplete meme
>>741361019retard
>>741360708No they don't. They learn it through immersion. All of the shit they do in Japanese class is a pointless larp. Look at the results of their English class,
>>741357961i did it in parallel with anki and i didnt like it for a few reasons (mostly gui complaints that they had no settings to fix or turn off)as far as im concerned you should spend your time mining your own curated deck since you will be looking stuff up anywaytheir decks arent substitutes for real vocab miningif you have time to do both its probably the best of both worlds but i have a hard limit of 30 mins for flashcards every daypreferably 20 mins if my review load is lower
>>741361070Thanks for the (you) but you didn't have to sign your post
>>741360760As much as this will sound like a tinfoil hatter schizo meme, you can trigger your brain to enter high neuroplasticity mode again with as little as a week of a fasting diet of basically eating only once a day plus consistent raw cold water with nothing on it (not even mineral water) during the day, and having zero food intake outside your food hour, not even coffee or tea as that counts as food for the body.It tricks the brain into thinking you are on a high-predator low-food (but not a starving panic) environment and forces you to LEARN fast as shit, depending on your genetic lottery you will enter survival-neuroplasticity-mode in as little as 72h but for most people it's the full week.Unironically give it a go, you will be shocked at the results.
>>741361179That's exactly how they do it at least that's what I observed at my child's school. As for English, it's the same shit as any other subject. They don't treat it like a language, it's just another exercise in repetition so they can pass entrance exams.
>>741360365My friend added me to their family plan which is the only reason I am trying it I'm already on section 4 of 6 after a few months so I might as well finish it then move on
>>741360601It's got a lifetime subscription option that gets discounted around the end of the year most of the time. Same with Wanikani.I ended up buying both and it's less stressful when the subscription clock isn't ticking down. Some weeks I take it easy and only do a big block of reviews once a day, other weeks I'm adding new shit to the stack daily and doing reviews every 3 hours.>>741360708That shit becomes drastically less effective as you get older.Kids brains are basically sponges which is why they can brute force langauge aquisition like that. When your native language is already locked in (usually by your teenage years) it becomes way harder to add more to the mental stack.
>>741361481They go through the motions of doing the repetitive exercises, just like in English, but they only know Japanese because they immerse in Japanese and they don't know English because they don't immerse in English
I've kind of given up on Anki, only dailies I ever do is writing practice. Reading has seemingly jumped me 10x further ahead
>>741361481My friend bribed his son with a copy of Xenoblade Chronicles 3 provided he got high marks, one time I visited their house and he'd literally taken over their entire table with these sorts of rep cards and drills for every subject. I was floored, the drilling was insane.
>>741307953>>741309975>>741360708>>741360601kill urself off-topic spammer
>>741342797Only 精液.I might only skim without paying much attention to my jp doujin at the point sperm is mentionned.
>>741338009i knew half of these from pokemon legends arceus but theres a lot of old fashioned stuff or unusual words in that game because of the setting
「運動不足」最高の言葉w
What's the difference between 気合い and やる気?
>>741362967You'll hear 気合いを入れる (get fired up) more than you will by itself. やる気 is literally the will(spirit) to do something. At least that's how I remember them
>>741363421Thanks!
alright lads i'm getting back to Anki you've inspired me. i did half of picrel while doing 60 days in jail years ago but i've forgotten most of it
>>741307953I was on 20 new cards for 6 months with consistent ~80% retention, my daily reps slowly creeped up to 170 reviews per day. I was burning out and spending up to 6 hours trying to finish them. It almost ruined all my momentum. I had to switch to 10 cards per day just to keep it stable at ~150 cards, it's still fucking awful and I cant put up the focus to do it all in one go anymore but at least it's not getting any worse. I'm at the point where really I should be spending as much time reading as possible, not wasting half my day pulling my attention back and forth to anki unable to be productive. Honestly fuck anki desu.
>>741364996>6 hours trying to finish themliterally how. Anyways reading and listening with anki is the best way. You should spend at most 30 minutes per day on anki and the rest reading or listening
>>741364996>6 hours a day on trankiThe absolute state of dekinai's
>>741364996I did 20 a day for 6 months when I first started, but I have no idea how it's taking you 6 hours. I think you're being a bit too honest without your reviews
>>741364495Why were you in jail? Also is Genki actually useful? Seems like snake oil compared to 15 mins of Anki per day + 2 hours of immersion
>>741365850Textbooks are useless. Read Yokubi back to front three times as you immerse in your first book/manga/VN and after that refer to DOJG when unsure on specific points. Don't be a dekinai
>>741365951You don't need the DoJG anymore. AI can explain and teach grammar almost perfectly.
>>741365850I was in jail for sucking dick in public. I'm Russia. They sent me to jail and me suck dick in jail instead.
>>741365850i was a retarded druggie, that was like 9 years ago though
>>741364996Its always retards like you who dont know how to study and end up grinding flash cards when you're past needing do and ending up with decks that take a long fucking time to review who end up burning out and then thinking flash cards suck.There's a point where you rely less on flash cards and more on reading actual media. Its not at N5, its not at N4, and you're able to just barely being able to do it at N3. Then you supplement flash cards for new words and phrases you come across but you're not supposed to still be grinding flashcards you made when you could barely read hiragana, you're not going to forget words like 食べる、知る、勉強、e t
>>741365850Genki is better than 90% of the shit zoomers are trying to use to learn Japanese these days since theyre allergic to studying off of anything that isnt digital and on their phone.Finishing genki will bring you up to the start of N3 though, its for beginners. So if you're reading at an N3 level it wont be helpful
>>741364996Anyone telling you to do more than 10+ new cards a day is a /djt/ tranny ngmi who cannot speak a word of japanese despite dedicating 12 hours a day of their NEETdom to the language in the last 15 years.Do 5 to 10 new cards a day, watch anime, go on jp twitter, listen to songs with lyrics shown, you'll have fun instanty./djt/nigger will legitimately brag about having mined 18k cards and claiming 30 cards a day is easy but you check their general and it's a bunch of faggots who cant construct one japanese sentence without deepL to assist them.
>>741365850Ideally you use genki together with anki. Genki for grammar practice and anki for remembering vocabularyWatching anime for 2 hours is not immersion, you're just lazy
>>741367079kek basedyou put into words how i feel about themwhiny bitches is what they are
>>741367206>Watching anime for 2 hours is not immersion, you're just lazyare you dumb bruvthats like the definition of immersionits only lazy if you dont mine or read anything else at all
djt is dead. it was taken over by the most mentally insane spammer to ever post on 4chan and the mods won't do anything about him
>>741367532Immersion would be living in Japan and having to speak and listen to the language in your daily life. I hate to be the one to tell all you fat NEETs this, this watching anime will not teach you Japanese. It will also DEFINITELY not teach you colloquial Japanese nor how normal Japanese people sound speaking Japanese
>>741367079Isn't being able to read and listen more important than writing and speaking early on?
>>741367654https://learnjapanese.moe/animejp/
>>741367206>Watching anime for 2 hours is not immersion, you're just lazyTruly spoken like a filthy EOP.Probably like half of Europe learn english by watching american tv shows and movies, then they learn to speak it properly with online games.
>>741365850>>741365951>I dont need to study out of a workbook when I can just grind an anki deck I downloaded and watch anime, which I was already doing and didnt learn Japanese from itHehMany retards just like yourselves who never learned Japanese
>>741367732Blog post full of cope from a tranny who doesnt know japanese>>741367789Half of Europe natively speak languages that are barely different from English to begin with
>>741368056nice goalpost shiftconcession accepted
>>741367789are you fucking retarded? most countries in europe teach english in school starting in 3rd or even 2nd grade all the way through high school
>I don't need to make a real effort to learn Japanese, I can just watch anime to "immerse" myself!You cant learn Japanese.
>>741368205>>741368189>>741368056>>741367969>>741367654Cool it with the spam lil pup
>>741368167Remember me a year from now when you know no more Japanese than you do now, which is already very little.
>>741367969>watch anime, which I was already doing and didnt learn Japanese from itNormally that's because EOPs use subs.Some even watch dubs. Obviously if you turn off the subtitles and force yourself to pay attention to words, you'll pick up a lot more.
>>741365951>>741365850Why are zoomers so adamantly opposed to opening a textbook?
>>741367206He never specifically mentioned anime, most learners read visual novels or manga instead.It's more important to remain motivated by consuming compelling content than it is to maximize efficiency.
>>741368056>Half of Europe natively speak languages that are barely different from English to begin withOnly somewhat true in the case of french and they still cannot speak english for shit, one of the lowest english fluency in europe.Tell that to a spaniard or a portuguese lmao, their language as nothing to do with english but using the same alphabet. Danes, finns and nordics just cheat by having a good educational system teaching proper kids english at a very young age, their language is completely different as well.
>>741367594You jinxed it, now he's shown up to derail the thread
>>741368343No way bruh, uncs gone senile Goofy ahh grandpaw still talkin bout books n shitGet yo old ahh to bed
>>741368602Genuinely, does "ahh" comes from negroes being incapable of pronouncing ass?
>>741368449It is pathetic for someone to waste hours upon hours trying to stop people from learning a language but it is what it is.
>>741368316Yeah because clearly the way to learn a language is to watch media where you dont understand what is being said vs watching it with subtitles so you know what is being saidYou're not a toddler, your language acquisition doesnt work like that anymore. Even moreso if you're above the age of 28.Japanese is a very different language from English, from the grammar to idioms to prepositions, ect. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen people get confused by phrases like 猫の手も借りたい or 鼻が高い or どうかしているみたい
>>741367594
>>741368441>Tell that to a spaniard or a portuguese lmao, their language as nothing to do with english but using the same alphabet.>Danes, finns and nordics just cheat by having a good educational system teaching proper kids english at a very young age, their language is completely different as well.Complete lies
>>741368441>Spanish has nothing to do with EnglishAnon....
>>741368705Yes
>>741368668I'm not trying to stop someone from learning Japanese. I'm trying to tell them how to actually learn it. Didn't expect that telling people watching anime wont teach them Japanese would cause so much butthurt but I probably should have figured
>>741368662No, it's part of a wider cultural shift. Ebonics has become somewhat synonymous with normie zoomer lingo and normie zoomer online slang and it's merged together to create a lot of "deliberately wrong" phonetic spellings, where the ebonic accent would slur "ass" into sound like "ahh".Also, zoomers invent their own words to circumvent increasingly strict censorships on every major platform. This is why they often say "unalived" and "sewerslide" instead of "suicide". It's gotten so bad that a lot of these alternative terms are now replacing the actual words in speech too. I'm not joking, look this up.So no, nothing to do with spelling, and everything to do with rotting culture.t. zoomer
>>741369027>>741368662You're both wrong, it comes from tiktok being overzealous with its profanity filtering so people would write "ahh" instead ass.
>>741361627I find Oshimi's stuff pretty pleasant to read because of succinct the writing is. The exact opposite would be something like MW or just old manga in general.
>>741369087That's true for other words (which I did mention, by the way), but "ahh" is actually counter-cultural. Even ten, fifteen years ago, you can see rappers saying it like that even in slow interviews because they consider it part of their dialect. It took a while to hit the mainstream, granted.
>>741368770Not only these are factually correct but you're so fucking ignorant you don't even have argument to claim otherwise.Give me the similitudes between finnish and english bitch ass.>>741368773Yes, spanish is a latinic language which had no connection in history with the germanic language spoken by celts and saxons which evolved into english by being mixed with northern french. Spanish is closer to arabic than english lmao.
>>741369330Take your meds or something idk these are wild takes
>>741369330Stop replying to the troll. Scroll up, it's one guy pretending to be three people. Save your breath
>>741369440alrightbump limit reached anyway
do i need to learn kanji through something like RTK or can i just jump straight into a vocab deck like kaishi 1.5k?
>>741370582Jumping straight into a vocab deck is a good way to burn out but do whatever you want
>>741370910so i should do rtk?
>>741370969Dunno what RTK isWhat I did personally back in the day was work out of genki and every chapter I would add the new vocab to my anki deck
>>741370582Dont bother with RTKThreads about to die but in short you learn kanji readings by learning vocabularyRTK is designed for people who want to learn the stroke order for the kankan exam or for people who have a clinically horrible visual memory and need to understand kanji by their radicals (the symbols that make up the whole kanji shape)Go with kaishi
>>741370969I did RTK and it's the best decision I made regarding my Japanese study, but use Kanji Koohii and read the comments and invent your own keywords if something feels off in the RTK one
>>741360760When I was teen I tried to learn kana by writing it down and it took me literally 3 weeks to learn like 15 characters. Shit doesn't work.Then as a 30yo I played djt kana game and learned all of hiragana and katakana in the same time span.It's not matter of neuralplasticity. Different things work for different people.
>>741371201>Different things work for different peopleI wish more people in the JP learning community understood this, it's why the DJT sites host tons of alternative resources even where there's tons of overlap. You have to cast a wide net.
