>Sony employees don’t understand the decision to kill Destiny 2 and not greenlight Destiny 3>There’s a desire of revenge from the tops as they blame Bungie for the failure of their 14 GaaS projects
>Literal who says "Trust me bro"
>they blame Bungie for the failure of their 14 GaaS projectsWeren't Bungie the advisors on PlayStation's GaaS strategy?So it is there fault and Sony is justified in revenge.
>>741311518It’s the same insider that has been saying everything about Xbox and Bungie
>>741311436Wouldn't surprise me considering most higher ups in companies are retarded, and basically either got their job through nepotism or failing upwards.I would ask why Sony don't just funnel resources into Destiny as it's clearly a game people like, but then that just brings me back to "execs are retarded".
>>741311436$4 billion.
Should have happened much sooner
>>741311436It is "revenge" for making them lose billions.
>>741311723Yeah, Ryan, Hulst, and Bungie pretty much game up with the entire gaas "strategy" that Sony committed to. Ryan and Hulst wanted to go all in on gaas, and Bungie was the "expert" who advised the 14 projects on what they should do to be successful.
>>741311956And rising! Even if they cut bungle down to 400 employees, that's still $100 million per year in costs.
They bought Bungie thinking they had live service expertise without realizing it was really just Actiblizz tard wrangling them to be successful against their will. Meanwhile the moment Actiblizz started talking to Microsoft about acquisition they jettisoned Bungie to be poisoned bait for Sony. It's incredibly rare for a company to just throw away IP ownership even if they have zero plans for it, so Sony really should've been wary after seeing a successful company wash their hands of Destiny.
>>741312469lmfao, but thats crazy good play on actiblizz but xbox is also completely fucked right now. I need someone to fuck with nintendo too
Sony could've had a real hit with the GaaS stuff if they went through with the TLOU multiplayer game. Whoever canned that was an absolute retard. It's a setting perfect for extraction shooters, with gameplay and movement mechanics that would've made everyone drop Arc Raiders.
>>741311747NTA, but does this guy have a history of accurately leaking info? I know he's a journalist, but that doesn't mean a thing.Even someone like Tassi has a history of being correct in his insider info. Can the same be said for this frog?
>>741312063Why are the higher ups at Sony so fucking out of touch and incompetent? Buying Bungie was a fucking horrendous idea. At the time, the market was already flooded with a metric ton of Live Service Games, they were already overwhelmingly hated, and 95% of them failed. If Sony did literally 1 fucking Google search before deciding to buy Bungie, they would have found so many articles saying that Bungie keeps making less and less money with every expansion.
>>741311436Didn't bungie swagger in and poke their fingers into literally all of the ongoing gaas projects though? I remember reading something about that happening.
>>741311436I hope it's true as I hate Bungie too
>Sony knows Bungie scammed them hard so now they're raping them Not sure if based or cringe
>>741312785>thats crazy good play on actiblizzYou don't end up on the Epstein list for being bad at business
>>741312917>gameplay and movement mechanics that would've made everyone drop Arc RaidersHow would all that melee and stealth shit work in MP though. Uncharted MP was pretty niche
>>741311436I mean, Sony would have had really good 2025 financials if Bungie wasn't a giant albatross around their neck.
>>741316146If they thought they could get away with sending assassins after Pete Parsons, they would've done it already.
>>741312469Actiblizz is a dumpster fire as well. None of these companies are worth a piece of dried up dog shit sizzling on a summer sidewalk.I wish nothing but failure to MS and Sony.>but but Nintendo I hope Pokémon finally fails as all of the morons drinking it's kool-aid realize how shit the games have been the past 20 years.
Total Bungie rape and destruction.
>>741311723Definetly possible. They were bought for $3.6 billion not just for their games but for their "Live service Experience". They might be 100% justified in blaming the people who were in control the entire time.
>There’s a desire of revenge from the tops as they blame Bungie for the failure of their 14 GaaS projectsThat's literally what happened they bought bungie because they were experts at milking the goyim with Destiny.All of their GaaS failures fall squarely on bungie for failing to properly advise them
>>741312536>PS4 generation>legendary
>>741311747Again, literally who?
>Sony acquires Bungie to help with their gaas projects>the projects fail>Destiny 2 starts failing>Marathon launches and failsIt must be revenge!
>>741313739They bought them mostly in response to MS buying Activision and Call of Duty and wanted an escape plan should MS remove COD on playstation.They spent millions to bribe lawyers about it and how 50% of their revenues depended on COD.But yea it was still an insanely retarded move to pay that much for Bungie when it was already dying
>omg look a nobody said something on twitter!!!!BAN twitter screencap threads.
>>741317315Yes it was garbage and that time it literally had no games but people were fanatically rushing to buy PS4s. Which is probably why the PS5 is not selling unless you are a ball&gun subhuman + the price hike.
>>741312785Nintendo has done a good job carving out their own ecosystem, they're basically untouchable so long as the hordes of millenial manchildren don't die off
>shooting themselves in the foot as petty revenge against a company THEY bought for their own retarded games failingAre Japs really like this? Or is this Sony America doing it?
>>741311436>Sony's leadership reportedly blames Bungie for a number of issues with their GaaS strategyThen it's not revenge, is accountability.
>>741316997Only because Bobby is no longer in charge
>>741311436What the heck...
>>741318195This is probably just sie
>>741318195Who knows? The SIE headquarters is still in California with Hulst still technically in charge of game development even if Nishino is the CEO.
>>741311436They own Bungie. Couldn’t they just order them not to stop working on Destiny? This is actually looking like an exit scam.
>>741313929yeah they shut down tlou2 multiplayer
>>741318195Japanese people haven’t been calling the shots at SIE in a long time.
>>741311436You can always tell when a journo's source is some nobody that's at least 5 links away from any management decisions. Some Technical Assistant has been gossiping over the company Discord and they're treating their baseless ideas as news.
>>741313725>>741317328Why the cope?
Revenge is good
>>741317315It was. 120 million units and over 2 billion games sold. In terms of profits, it was Playstation's best generation.
what if Bungie leadership were a deep undercover agent for microsoft all this time from since the Halo days
>>741311956more than that, 3.6b for the acquisition, 1.6b for employee retention that didnt workthats 5.2b before operating costs, dev budgets and marketing budgets, and money lost from the games bungie made sony shitcan
>>741321081too damn implausible for the time scale. bungie leadership is just *stupid*
Do it. Rape 50% of bungie and your training is complete...
>>741312063Did bungie also advised to commit to DEI and use vomit bright colors for the UI?
>>741312917That only works if the game is popular and people want to be part of that "experience". TLoU2 bombed huge with the audience that would be into it.
>>741312158that would result ~$10M per employee as an integrated operating cost, including the dumb HR bitch and project managersutterly deranged behavior on the part of Sony to spend this muchthere aren't enough whales in the world to sustain even half that
>>741312063>HulstBut hulst is still managing their first party games though and he's the one behind concord. They should of fired his ass when concord failed and not keep him around.
>>741320557Anon, just explain, this isn't a gotcha.Literally who?
>>741311436Were we too harsh on Bungie?Were they actually the shield between us and a number of gachashit/gaas games?
>>741321506the whole point of these services was each of these companies baiting one another into spending to muchit's like the Cold War, the US bankrupted the Soviet Union by pretending to develop a bunch of shit that would never exist or only work in very limited cases.Both companies realized spending a bunch of money was retarded but ended up doing it anyway while reacting to one another trying to fool each other. The most wasteful and utterly retarded game of chicken in modern capitalism. and we, Gamers, lost.
>>741311518This would be on the lower end of petty faggotry from Shitny, to be fair. I could totally see them doing it.Reminder, this is the same company that pulled out an extra 10 gorillion sales the moment the Switch outsold the PS2, a console that had its final sales over 13 years ago. A multibillion dollar corpo doesn't somehow miscount for 13 years straight, let alone not know about 10 gorillion more sales.They're not only full of woke pozzed faggot agendas, but the staff and especially owners are deeply bitter and vindictive.
Reminder that they scraped the TLOU2 multiplayer mode on Bungie's advice.
>>741311436Not surprising. They have to blame someone for their financial failures and no company would ever blame the executives actually responsible for it.
Do you want Sony to do the Phil Spencer "Just keep working and keep trying :) . We'll give you all the time and space you need" method? That shit doesn't work. This is why PlayStation constantly puts out award winning games, why people covet their exclusives and why PlayStation is MUCH more highly desired than Xbox shit is.If you fuck up, you GET fucked up.
based bungie sabotaging their corpo overlords
Sony asked Bungie to go around and assess the viability of the in-development live service games, and Bungie correctly determined that most of them wouldn’t sell and even of the one that might, they would require more people to maintain than the studios had. Now Sony’s shooting the messenger because they still ran full steam ahead at live service despite the warnings and shit the bed. Funny that one of the only smart decisions they made post-acquisition is what will do Bungie in.
>>741321592>>741311747
>>741311436So where does all the money go? It certainly doesn’t end up in our local economies.
Gee I wonder why
>>741323136The fact that no one who played for free bought the game is so funny
>>741313739The higher ups aren't gamers. They're money people.All they have to hear is a similarity to Fortnite and that's all they need.
>>741311723Yup Bungie is also partly responsible cause they're the ones who convinced Sony to buy firewalk studios and go all in on Concord so their monumental flop goes deep
>>741323035sex slaves, drugs, and bribes mostly
>>741321287Learn English before posting.
>Ryan forced out in shame>Bungie getting guttedHulst is next. Then, maybe PlayStation as a brand can survive. Maybe.
>>741323947The dutch faggot was already demoted due the Concord trainwreck.
>>741323032Saying what, who is he?
>>741312785Nintendo is cunning and cautious about acquisitions, probably won't happen in the same way
>>741318195There are no japs. SIE is an american company in every sense.
>>741322101>Reminder, this is the same company that pulled out an extra 10 gorillion sales the moment the Switch outsold the PS2No, they started when the DS started to beat the original final 141m sales numbers for the PS2.
Japan Studio is dead tho there's no going back to soulful mid-budget commercial flops after this
>>741313739Buying bungo would be fine, if it was for the price reflecting what it is - a studio with 1 successful running live service, like 2 small projects in incubation, and a brand name. Bil tops
>>741321139Ouch. Sony should have spent that money on gold instead.
>>741324050They should have fired him. He is still in charge of managing first party titles, it's why they are still going ahead with horizon zero dawn hunters gathering.
>>741323387>Accounting for concord, bungie has cost snoy a minimum of 6 billion dollars.
Keep everyone at Marathon. Fire everyone on Destiny.Don't infect Marathon with those bastards.
>>741324114He’s the French Jewson Schreir
>>741312063Sounds like a planned cash out, stupid japs suits will pay to white masters
>>741324630but then how will I know when to laugh at the millenial cringe gay dress I mean, cape wearing quiping robot anon?
>>741317315Bloodborne!!
>>741312785probably will never happen, nintendo has infinite free money thanks to the retards who buy their absolute dogshit
>>741324782anon, SIE hasn't been japanese in like a decade
>>741311723More than that, they also told ND to not release their Factions game with the reason being "you don't know what it takes to keep a service game alive"Now here's the funny thing. BOTH Bungie AND ND were making Extraction Shooter live service games. How funny that Bungie said ND should drop theirs. I'm sure it was out of genuine consideration and not just cutting off the competition.
>>741318195I think it's good that they're culling american studios whatever the reason
>>741324832yeah because the wii u and welcome tour sold so well
>>741324831Bloodborne is shit. Never listen to asians.
>>741324630Oh don't worry, Bungie is getting shut down before the end of the year anyways
>>741313929Bungie swaggered in and immediately made it blatantly obvious they have no fucking expertise whatsover and have been coasting on the "Bungie" brand for decades. The projects they were supposed to save got cancelled right after.Imagine asking advice from the retards vaulting entired finished singleplayer campaigns and maps, the retards that had to soft relaunch the only gaas they made after 3 years when they were calling it a 10 year game
>>741323035What money
>>741312785Bobby always wins
>>741311436This was Microsoft corporate sabotage and I'm being totally serious. The truth will probably never be exposed though.
>>741324832You don't have to out yourself as a faggot, anon.
>>741316997And guess what owners of actiblizz dgaf because tjey sold alreadyBobby won
>>741311436Sony didn't think it was a bit "odd" that not even Microsoft, the company that was buying everything, passed on Bungie? You would think that would be an obvious red flag. lol
>>741311436>its Bungie's faultThis makes Sony look insanely weak now. I don't know how anybody can still support their boneheaded decisions. I doubt most are. All three console makers in the game today are sucking massive cocks at this shit.
>>741324152If it was gonna happen anytime soon it would have been Retro after Prime 4, but they seem to have gone on a hiring spree instead.
>>741312536>a legendary PS4 Generation>Dude Raider>Whorizon>Last of Lesbian>God of Cringe
>>741311723I'll never forgive that company for killing off Factions just because they didn't want to ruin their game with live service. What happened to putting a the occasional map pack and some outfit items?
>>741323136>>741323186idk why they keep making paid gaas games, overwatch was an exception not the rule
>>741312917>the game I imagined in my head wouldbe so good!Yea yeah, you'd be saying the same shit about marathon had it got cancelled. Shouldn't you be busy hyping up an MMO before launch?
>>741325324PS5's Concordian Saga is so bad that having a few moviegames now looks legendary.
>>741311436The fact that Herman Hulst is still employed as a major executive in the entertainment industry is why they won't be able to turn things around. His career should have been over after Concord. You'd have to be ridiculously out-of-touch to meet the devs, look at the character designs and writing, and think that this was going to be a Star Wars-level IP.>He was probably looking at Disney Star Wars.Understanding that Disney Star Wars was riding off of the momentum of what came before is literally his job. He's supposed to be smarter than 99.999% of the public on this. That's why he makes the 0.001% big bucks.
How much money has Sony wasted on failed live service games now?
>>741325173>defense force on standby every time lmao
>>741312063having that many GaaS in development at once was a retarded idea to begin with, I can't believe those fuckers get paid 8 figures to shit out retarded ideas like that
>>741324832Unfortunately people need looking after. Such things as asia need to be barred from entry into your country. There are some exceptions, but it's not worth most people ruined by the rest.
>>741325758At least $3.6 billion
>>741311723Remember Concord was led and created by Ex-Bungie devs, including the lead for Destiny 2
>>741311436the gaming industry was invaded by greedy jews, passionless woman and diversity hires. Let them die in their own filth. I'll play Pragmata and Echoes of Aincrad while they spend 10 years making sony woke movie game slop no one buys.
>>741326358Concord could be great and i;ll never know, because of the nigger.If there's a problem, it's niggers.
>>741322227Throwing shit you bought in the garbage doesn't work either. Ironically, Phil Spencer tried that too>If you fuck up, you GET fucked up.Exactly, so grab the company by the balls and start twisting. Sony is their fucking publisher and owner, so they should start acting it. Dictate what they should do AND BY WHEN, send some enforcers down to monitor, the hands-off treatment is over
>>741326475at least try man, lazy no effort shitposts are boring
>>741320449Stop spreading this misinformation. Bungie didn’t have that kind of power. All Bungie did was put things into perspective for Naughty Dog. Naturally, they got spooked by the prospect of GaaS, so Sony decided to cut its losses early.
>>741326361It wouldn't be so bad if they spent 2 years tops on those garbage walking sims, but they often spend 6-8 years and hundreds of millions on shit that absolutely does not show the time and money spent on itBloodborne and Dark Souls 3 were made in 3 years. Elden Ring took 5 but recovered all the money in 2 weeks. Call it soulslop and whatnot but you can't say they're not amazing, complete games
>>741326593Your existence depends upon the pity of others. Whatever addition you try to add to anything it is only annoyance. Niggers are the problem. You are a nigger. Your side is who you are. You are on the side of rape etc all the disgusting problems niggers are. You want more for such scum, you think you get more by saying right is wrong.You don't deserve to be here. Same for any other nigger.
>>741326871you mean they shittalked a game that was very far along, leading to it being canned?
>>741311436Good, Bungie fucked Sony hard so it is only fair they get fucked in return.
Sony has Destiny and Helldivers, theyre fucking retarded for not going all in on these two alone
>>741326008Only those with an iq lower than 80 get paid more than 6 figures, this is literal fact.
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>>741311436>destiny shit itself>marathon was dead on arrival>consultancy work spawned concordthe only crazy thing here is that they didn't rape bungie harder.
>>741311436>comically underperform for years and years>but if you get hit with layoffs for it it's some elaborate "revenge" plotdelusional.
>>741311436>>741311723>Bungie is sacrificing itself to take down Sony
>>741327391I swear to God, this image gets funnier and funnier every month it goes.
>>741327391Does Sony even own HD2? I thought they were just publishers or something like that, since the studio itself is still relatively independent.
I kind of like how unliked by homosexuals Marathon is. I think it's more important for something to be good than to be rich. There isn't much that is good. And even less that doesn't have things that negate the rest.Maybe the key for quality is to ignore the rapists etc cowards. Bad people. Just entirely disregard them. Make for a higher standard. By that bring it about and leave the bad out.marathon could be a long term investment. However long it lasts without catering to the bad guys.
>>741324415Or even just have donated it to the poor.
>>741327636It's just parody shit. It's not worth anything.
>>741311723no wonder Sony wants to cut their balls off lmao
>waaah muh bungie muh destinyThis whole story is so fucking lame to me, This is what you fags get for invested so much into a live service. go play a real fucking game, losers. pick up one of the games Capcom released this year or something. we're in the golden age of single player action games and you're wasting your time with a dying MMO from a decade ago.
>>741327391I'd sacrifice all (except MLB) to revive Sony's old AA catalog
>>741311436The whole western entertainment industry has devolved into woke companies having pissing matches with other woke companies for creating things that don't sell while engaging in the same self-destructive practices themselves. Just nothing but heel vs. heel feuds all up and down the card.That's what happens when people who are allergic to accountability get promoted. You get an IRL Injustice League where all of the bad guys are blaming each other for their constant failures.
>>741327724As a franchise sure, but as a game it's literally bigger than anything Sony has ever made when it comes to multiplayer/live-service games
>>741311436$4+ billion is pretty good motive for revenge.Imagine if Sony had spent even a fraction of that buying exclusivity rights for /ourgame/ STELLAR BLADE: BLOOD RAIN
>>741311436based, and deserved
>>741328062Nah.
>>741327391Come gather around people, wherever you roam~
>>741324114there is no named person, two journalists now have claimed to have a source at Sony/Bungie, that's all there is.
>>741327776destiny is not an MMO
>>741327991thank god they didn't
>>741326972there will always be games we enjoy, but it is rough to see the console space completely die off in such a sad and pathetic way.
>>741327991then we wouldn't be talking about it for very long
>>741327991>stellar bladeLmao, they hate sexy women in games anon. Why the hell would they do that? To get more money that they are allergic too?
>>741312536>Legendary PS4 generation
>>741318195Snoy California killed GR2 and gutted Japan Studio out of pure petty hatred for Japan. They really are that stupid and childish.
>>741311723>Weren't Bungie the advisors on PlayStation's GaaS strategyyou're conflating 2 separate things. Bungie WERE the GaaS supervisors but the fact that they were supervising anything at all came from Jim Ryan era PlayStation who wanted those 14 GaaS titles, and he peaced out before the strategy started falling apart. So basically this is Sony setting up Bungie to fail. Yes concord was a wound entirely self inflicted by sony corporate and now they're fishing for a scapegoat.thats not to say bungie isnt blameless, they clearly lacked the credentials they sold themselves on and their CEO and upper management fucked off with golden parachutes.
>>741311436Good, they deserve it. And to the reddit fags that will claim >"waaaa, devs don't decide anything! They're all just autonomous drones forced to work at the whims of corporate!!"You sound ridiculous. Of course the tranny devs have an impact on making games dumb and woke. Look at the devs and look at the games, this ain't hard
>>741311436I don't trust twitter niggers that randomly spew shit everywhere but he's right about two things:>Killing off Destiny was entirely Bungie's idea>Bungie was pivotal in all of Sony's shitty faggot ass live service projects going tits up but not entirely their fault. I know for a fact that Concord was well into development and what we saw/got was already set in stone before Jim Ryan put Bungie in charge.Don't forget that the reason why Bungie's been able to do literally everything they've done so far was because the rules of acquisition outlined during the purchase gave Bungie carte blanche power to overturn SIE. That's why they were able to fire 90% of staff (before Christmas) and replace them with jeets despite Sony giving them tens of millions of dollars for employee retainment, suffering zero consequences for disobeying a direct order.
>>741312785The NoA branch and Retro have been trying their hardest to fuck Nintendo
>>741312917>Sony could've had a real hit with the GaaS stuff if they went through with the TLOU multiplayer game.>Whoever canned that was an absolute retard.Bungie
>>741329037At this point I'm convinced someone powerful is seriously invested in sabotaging western AAA video games industry. Think of a 4chan schizo but with billions of dollars
>>741311436Bungie has no one to blame but themselves
>>741317502The thing is that Destiny 2 was still alive and healthy before Bungie got bought out. Then they decided to starve the game of any future updates in favor of Marathon. Notice how the game went right back to its previous concurrent bracket as soon as Destiny 2 finally got a new update, even if it was the last one.
>>741311436>Destiny 2 is literally dead and everyone hates all the new updates>don't understand the decision made at the top to discontinue D2Are they trying to bait retards into buying Destiny 3?
>>741311436kek, deserved
>>741325864Calling you a faggot is universal, faggot
What is with all the "x news" shitposts lately?
>>741324984That almost definitely isn't happening. They'll be given one more chance.My bet is that Sony is going to tell them "Destiny 3 or something equally as appealing to Halo fans or you're gone". And they probably won't be given $200M+ and 7+ years to get it done.
>>741329302>>741328128
>>741320308>Couldn’t they just order them not to stop working on Destiny?They literally can't because Sony, under Jim Ryan's control, gave Bungie special snowflake status that basically says Bungie still gets to act 100% independently from SIE or PS Studios. Pic related, it's from the official PR statement from 2022 but I'm sure even the legal documents say something along the same lines.Notice how Sony still hasn't done anything to punish Bungie despite the fact that they've done nothing but completely fuck their gaming division over forever while Bungie's executives have gotten fat from suckling off the Playstation teet for free? Instead Sony had to kill off or otherwise heavily downscale all of its other developers to try and offset the costs associated with being Bungie's parent company. It's like a cuckoo bird shoving all the other chicks out of the nest as the hapless warbler is unable to do anything but continue feeding it.
>>741327081I didn't bother to read this but you clearly didn't understand what I meant.baka man
>>741329461what's your favourite nintendo game lmao, I will be judging you no question, but I'm curious what kind of a loser you are
>>741323947>Ryan forced out in shameNo he wasn't, he gave himself a seven-figure salary with bonuses for years before taking the golden parachute out the window.
>>741328680This reminds me of the rumors that AC Shadows was intentionally sabotaged by internally poor decisions.I love human nature. We're going to get insane, retarded shit like this until we destroy ourselves (because of insane, retarded shit
>>741329772The lesson that should be taken away from Jim Ryan is that somebody who cares more about soccer than videogames shouldn't be making major decisions related to the videogame industry.
>>741329842elden ring :)
>>741317315>>741325324>>741328623PC gaming didn't catch on with the mainstream back in 2014, so for most people it was either a PS4, a Wii U with low third-party/first-party support, or the Xbox that told everyone it had mandatory NSA spyware and an inability to play used games.
>>741328680Nah. The Last Guardian was shit.if they really hate japan like i do they would have stopped ghost of pigeon
>>741329772The legal docs say Sony acquires 100% of Bungie's shares, so Sony owns them. The only thing that could have been in the legalese would be some kind of 'Sony can't install its own execs at Bungie' or 'Bungie execs only have to report to the top boss of Sony at worst' language, but it's very thin milky.
>>741324904>>741325375This is the biggest thing that the entire industry is ignoring Factions 2 was 80% done, Naughty Dog spent ~7 years on it from 2016-2023. It still has an extremely dedicated fanbase. These dudes literally told ND "it wouldn't retain players" I can guarantee you Factions has more players than Marathon
>>741329919The evil people would destroy themselves and make an exit a lot quicker and with a lot less damage if you didn't have other evil people perpetually bailing them out with tax dollars. Ubisoft is literally the worst offender in the industry when it comes to leeching off of the taxpayer.That's why these people never get fired. In a high tax society, political capital is more important than customer satisfaction.
I'm going to play some Marathon. See you fags later.
>>741329919>AC Shadows was intentionally sabotaged by internally poor decisionsNo, it was sabotaged by the fact that 95% of Ubisoft is DEI women hires and they unanimously voted to make NIGGERMAN the star of the game. Also the game was being made when Blackrock was still handing out free gibs to companies that went all in on diversity shit, which is why NIGGERMAN is depicted pounding the shit out of Nobunaga's sister and there's a tranny jap blacksmith inventor in fucking Edo.
>>741330050>the year is 2066>anon lay on his death bed >the holoscreen in the hospital reports "MARATHON MAKES ITS FIRST DOLLAR">anon says with his dying breath "chuds.....lost....." >BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
>>741330337Yes, it's probably Hanlon's Razor because that's a much more likely reason.But I choose to believe it's intentional sabotage, because it's funnier to me.
>>741326008>The more we throw, the greater the chance of success!!
>>741326361Calling anything slop while bragging about playing a fucking SAO game. Damn bro.......
>hire bungie to oversee GaaS projects>they fucking suck at it and everything fails >fire them for incompetence >"revenge"
>>741311436Could be true, idk, but people were spamming the gaming showcases' chats, bitter that they ended Destiny 2 and didn't get a 3, so it could also just be pathetic fanboys.
>>741313739>>741323315i think this kinda stuff happens disproportionately now because the money guys really just detest games and actively don't want to understand them. they'd rather spend more time on their yacht than research the player sentiment on bungie or god forbid pick up a controller themselvesthe industry didn't really have the same issue a couple of decades ago because the money men were people like brian fargo, which is to say they liked games and treated it as a hobby that they also bankrolled
>>741321964Difference here is that the F-15 actually works
Does SIE care about its public image at all?They've been going through the ringer lately with the Bungie shit and the new Girlboss of War, and if this is true that they are a bunch of petty children that makes it even worse
>>741324959Shazam lost.
>>741331212I think Sony gives a lot of freedom to their studios and we are now seeing the consequences of that, and I think we are now seeing some push back which is why the Destiny 2 team got gutted.
>>741311436Holy shit is that literally who saying literally what on twitter?!?!?! Quick, to the /v/ mobile to post this information!
>>741329249Well they WILL blame chuds.
>>741326008It wouldn't be a terrible idea for such a massive company to have 5-10 liveservice games in development The problem is that they entrusted those projects to Reddit. That's as much of a "gamble" as asking Tyrone to keep an eye on your marijuana and Glock while you're out of town for the month.
>>741331452>It wouldn't be a terrible idea for such a massive company to have 5-10 liveservice games in developmentno, that is a terrible idea fundamentally. you cannot expect your fanbase to pay for 10 different services at once that are basically all the same and all have massive overhead and expect to make a profit, it does not work like that, people will just stick with what they have
>>741331617If you give each studio roughly $100M and five years and even one of them sees success that's comparable to a major gacha title, you've made your money back. When you've got the greatest creative minds backed up by the most talented artists, writers, and engineers in the industry, it's not unreasonable to expect at least a few of these endeavors to succeed. And then you've got a base that you can work off of when designing your next round of games.The problem is that their studios are not headed up by the greatest creative minds, and increasingly, they're not backed up by the most talented artists, writers, and engineers, either.
>>741313739>Why are the higher ups at Sony so fucking out of touch and incompetent?The reason why Sony is at the top of their game in the first place was because decades ago they gave their engineers (i.e. the nerds who cared about making a good product) the power to dictate what happened in the company at the management level. Then at some point somewhere after the PS3 management clawed back all the power from engineers and Sony just became like every other megacorporation run by people who have no care for the product.>they would have found so many articles saying that Bungie keeps making less and less money with every expansionEvery company that is doing well gets sold, any company that is getting worse gets sold cheap. Any company that doesn't get sold is poison. If Bungie's public performance was poor, we can only assume that the 3.6b paid for Bungie was a steal.>>741330224>I can guarantee you Factions has more players than MarathonI loved Factions. But I have to say that I've never met another person who played Last of Us mention Factions. All the hype for Last of Us had nothing to do with Factions, which arguably was the best part about the game. Nobody knows what the fuck I'm talking about when I talk about Factions.It feels so fucking crazy that Factions was an accident afterthought, was legitimately good, and nobody cares about it. But I can understand why they would shitcan it because I'm almost certain all their research would show nobody who played Last of Us knows what the fuck Factions even was. It still feels disgusting that no executives knew what kind of treasure they had in Factions.
>>741332071it's not just that, its the whole gaas thing where the people playing the games are expected to keep paying for them for years, what you're saying makes more sense for one-off titles or singleplayer things, but asking people to continuously pay for multiple games at once makes no sense
>>741332258It's just like venture capital, you don't make multiple live services with the expectation people will play them all, you just blast a shotgun approach and hope one catches on because even stinkers like Fallout 76 are outrageously profitable.
>>741332258The line that GaaS have reached saturation is cope. There are new players successfully entering the arena all the time.
>>741312469Sony fumbled KPop Demon Hunters, they're retarded
>>741311436WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>741329037Bungie convinced them to buy the Concord studio (which was made by ex-Bungie devs)
>>741316146And this guy got away scot free. He got the money, bailed out and Sony can't do shit to him because the Bungie acquistion was clean.
For the price Sony paid for Bungie they could have fund>Gravity Rush 3>Legend of Dragoon 2>Ape Escape 4>Bloodborne 2>Sly Cooper 4>Ico 2
>>741327391>It's literally all dogshit save GT>playing GT when you could just play an actual simulator or an actual arcade racing game in 2026 thoughpoor sonybros, it wasn't supposed to be this way huh?
>>741331212The problem is that after all of these closures and shutdowns going on SIE is now 100% located in California.
>>741328709>>741311723>>741311436so like always effeminated men try to steal everything, avoid accountability and always use as much cruelty as they are allowed to use in a coward way
>>741327391it's such a pathetic image, like making a grand tour of your prize horse stables to reveal a barren field riddled with rotting horse corpses dented from being beaten so often
>>741331280The way that Sony needs to crack down on the studios is to curate who gets hired. Your subsidiaries and partners should be fairly autonomous. That's the most efficient way to do things, and you shouldn't need to babysit someone who has a word like "director" in his job title.But that'll require Sony to have leadership that's willing and able to handle that curation, including breaking up the longhouse and the gay cabal.
>>741316395Let the Goyim deal in the the real world
>>741327119IIRC, ND had no idea that they would need a big support crew to keep it running and pushing out content
>>741332550>Inflates Bungie’s value>Sells it to Sony>Gets the bag and buys several cars>Resigns from the company while having generational wealth from the acquisition>Sony is burning because they spent billions in GAAS with no profit.Honestly, sounds based in a certain point of view.
>>741326871>All Bungie did was put things into perspective for Naughty DogDid they though? Factions and Marathon were set to be the same genre. That means one would cannibalize the other. Considering how inept Bungie are(art theft incident, the amount of time they took to develop Marathon, the lack of content, the law suit in regards to content they deleted from Destiny 2 being plagiarized) they sure don't seem like good people at putting things into perspective. In fact it seems more like they did it so they wouldn't have any competition.
Man I really though Ubi would be the first big dev to fold but I don't mind seeing the raped corpse of Bungie finally get buried
>>741333147no that was bungie's speculation
>>741332595Now imagine all the games they could have made without those 14 flops they wanted made so badly
>>741332595Don't forget a new Wild Arms. Kaneko approached Sony wanting to make one and they said no to him.
>>741311436The perfect revenge is to shutdown Bungie completely
>>741333505Gotcha. Not that I care, I would never have played any of them anyways. The disaster this gen of Sony has been fun to watch though I must admit.
>>741331212>Does SIE care about its public image at all?They don't care because the media will run interference to mitigate the damage or just outright not report on it.
>>741332595You'll get a reference in mid 3D platformer and you'll be happy
>>741327391>last of us is dead>Destiny is dead>ghost of series might be dead>uncharted is dead>fairgame$ changed it's name>concord is dead>marathon is dyingwhen the fuck was this image made?
>>741326008Yeah. From doing mostly singleplayer games to go all in on big budget live service shit, a dozen of them in fact. The workflow whiplash among the SIE rank and file must've been insane.
>>741311436Why would Sylvain lie about these things
>Buy Bungie for Destiny by an absurd amount of money>"We don't wanna do Destiny anymore lmao"
>>741335187>>Buy Bungie for DestinyThey didn't
>>741335616Then what the fuck did they buy it for?
>>741335695Live Service ”Expertise"
It's up.
>>741311436>failure of their 14 GaaS projectsso it's actually incompetence but that would make the fired people unemployable so they made up a cute story about 'revenge'.lel
>>741332131> Factions, which arguably was the best part about the game. Looking back a lot of my favorite multiplayer experiences came from single player games. Factions was so much fun. And it had an insane amount quality to it as well.Uncharted, Fall of Cybertron, Assassin's Creed, Crysis, etc. You rarely if ever get fun MP side modes that build off the regular game anymore.
if revenge is the reason they would kill destiny and fire half of bungie, why havent they fired hulst and axed all of the horizon games that keep flopping?
>>741335859but is sony still axing 50% of bungie?
>>741335940every AAA game needs to be a multiplayer game with a built in storefront or a linear movie game nowadays.
>>741325173uhoh tendie melty
>>741317315>>PS4 generationit was perfect
>>741335695"Live service expertise"Destiny 2 was just meant to be a cashflow booster as Bungie finishes the two live services it had in production and goes all in on either one of them or something brand new for sony. All while they help all the other sony studios that had live services stuck in development hell.I mean, bungie definitely knows how to make a live service, they are definitely not just coasting off their name. Their first attempt definitely didn't go like shit so they had to relaunch it as a sequel mere 3 years later, no sir. Definitely.I mean, they were already 3 years into development of this multiplayer-only single-gamemode game, how much longer could it take?Then marathon consumed the other game's team. Then it started feasting on the destiny 2 team. It took 4 more years after the acquisition to come out, and now it is where it is.
>>741335998if they have any brain yes
>>741336298You're stupid. Shutup.
>>741311436>how do we spin it into snoy le bad
>>741325262Because Nintendo doesn't buy companies. They headhunt during co-development. Why spend a fuck ton of money for IPs you don't need (you're fucking Nintendo you already have more IPs than you know what to do with) and real estate you also don't need when you can just offer more money to specific people?Meanwhile, western devs layoff actual talented developers the second a game goes gold and wonders why their subsequent games turn out dogshit.
>>741336298I'm not sure axing 50% is enoughmaybe 70% since they do have 1k workers
>scammed the fuck out of sony>blames it all on thembased bungie
>>741311436The fact that Herman Hulst isn't radioactive at Sony sends the clearest message to the entire industry about where they are.Be the strongest advocate for the purest incarnation of everything that's destroying the western AAA industry and literally the biggest flop in media history? Spearhead the efforts to displace Sony's fanatical fanbase in order to cater to people who don't even play videogames? It's okay, you'll just be shuffled around to a different powerful leadership position. It's clearly safer to be the problem than to be the guy who actually wants to turn things around.
>>741335940I remember when everyone complained about "tacked on multiplayer". Good timesGames were made in 2 to 4 years with full singleplayer campaigns, and they could just functioning multiplayer as a freebie to boost value proposition.Nowadays it takes them 6 years to make a multiplayer only game with a single gamemode and fuckall content.
>>741311436I don't really care about who the blame belongs to or who's stabbing who in the back, I'm just happy that the battle royale/extraction/hero shooter industry is collapsing in on itself. What a fucking blight it's been. I'd take the brown and bloom era over this incestuous fuckfest.
>>741336369Snoy is bad. Killed Killzone, Wipeout & Getaway. Japanese are a bad people.
>>741329569Snowclones from headlines from some JP website
>>741336497>The fact that Herman Hulst isn't radioactive at Sony sends the clearest message to the entire industry about where they are.who's going to replace him? they got no one betterreminder that he's has been the president during the most profitable era of playstation's entire existence
>>741311436>im threading carefully broyeah by divulging internal affairs of a huge corporation on one of the most popular internet platforms on earth, really skirting on the edge right there bro! you're so hardcore! should visit LE DEEP WEB and order an assassination later! watch out for onion links hehe WOOPS!
>>741335986>axed all of the horizon games that keep flopping?are you fucking retarded?
>>741332406objectively speaking the vidya market has reached a new plateau with western AAA falling apart due to activism and corporate greed but yeah you have to offer something people want
>>741336669Anyone who knows anything about videogames and the process of game development. I'd hope that they'd have a few of those working at Sony.If you took some random dock worker, he'd have the common sense to not give a dime or his endorsement to Concord. That's how unqualified Herman Hulst is. And it's extremely important that you send a message to both the people inside the company and the customers about what Sony is going to be about going forward. If it's not safe for Herman Hulst to champion crap that has no market outside of a couple thousand lunatics on Blue Sky and Resetera, it's definitely not safe for you.
>>741337282A dock worker wouldn't have the business knowledge and connections to make sony billions upon billions every year
>>741327391>emerging IPs>all gaas shit>all flopYou can't make this shit up
>>741336603SIE hasnt been japanese in a decade
>>741311436They could have just told them to make real games.
>>741338317Anyone who would bet on Concord is unqualified to call himself an expert on the videogame business. Hulst has no idea what customers want, or worse, knows but wants to replace the customer base with his fictional modern audience. He fails at step 1 of being a businessman.>connectionsThe cabal that's controlling the western entertainment industry needs to be broken up by outsiders and malcontents if the industry is going to survive. The last thing that the industry needs right now is familiar faces following familiar processes.
>>741312917the TLoU GaaS got dropped because Naughty Dog didn't want to devote the resources to maintaining a GaaS game, and they didn't trust anyone else to run it. You'd think they'd have realized this sooner, but hey, they're Naughty Dog. They're fucking retarded now.
>>741329130Nope. All Bungie did was show Naughty Dog the runnings costs for a GaaS and Druckmann had a panic attack. Guys like him hate paying for stuff and he was planning an epic space lesbian game and didn't want the anchor of a successful game to distract him.
>>741338605Samefag here.The videogame industry of 2030 should be completely unrecognizable to people who've spent their careers in the videogame industry of the late 2010s and early 2020s. Different bosses, almost a completely inverted ethos, none of the old rules apply. Devs who can't adapt to an industry that's oriented towards the people who play videogames need to find themselves without a place in it. Herman Hulst is going to be the guy who tries to keep the status quo going.
>>741339039Why didn't ND just make the initial game and then pawn it off to another studio to make all the live service shit?
>>741339367Man do i miss 30 nerdy guys making a game that they all play and test afterwards, talking out cool things they could add
>>741325417There's no comparison. Marathon looked like utter trash from the concept images for the announcement. It had exactly that "zoomercore" art style just like Hyenas. Whoever didn't see its failure coming from a mile away was a fucking dumbass.Meanwhile, TLOU1 already had some success with the Factions mode, and that was a fairly basic tacked-on multiplayer. They just fucked it all up with the sequel.
>>741311436>There’s a desire of revenge from the tops as they blame Bungie for the failure of their 14 GaaS projectsA mere taste of the buffet of bullshit costumers have endured from this idiocy.Reap the bitter wine of your harvest.
>>741311436>retarded execs getting emotional because they made a retarded decision to purchase a retarded company that produces retarded games
>14 GaaS projectsSeriously WHAT THE FUCK were they thinking. Even if one succeeded they're literally making games that compete with their own games. Was it hubris or just plain retardation?
>>741311723Just so we're clear, SNOY is paying for all their evil deeds.
>>741340889As if you needed to ask
>>741340889>Was it hubris or just plain retardation?Why not both?
>>7413408892019-2021 convinced execs and analysts with MBA degrees that explosive COVID growth would be permanent. Then COVID ended, people started going outside again and it all fell apart.
>>741333448Nta this is like blaming the cashier for the bill. Bungie can't shittalk a game out if existance when it's the other studio's call whether to make it or not. Sony-ND already had Bungie's financials in hand, they already knew Destiny was expensive as fuck, it was loosing money even with a CCU many times that of what ND could have expected for a niche side project.
>>741340889>Was it hubris or just plain retardation?They killed their japanese studio, killed senran kagura 7 (their fault for sticking with sony) , then moved their headquarters to california. It's either and both, the only thing that kept these fools afloat was the fact that their consoles worked as multimedia centers due to them owning the patents of optical storage devices. But now everyone is going digital for better or worse (mostly worse), so their fuckups resonate harder now that they can't farm passive income from othey companies using CD/DVS/BLURAY.
>>741311436>i dindunothin we all flawless talented kind people its the boss that hates me So tiring to deal with communists
>>741317315You have to remember that was the generation where the Wii U and Xbone weren't "threats" at all, so Playstation just won by default. Of course snoys would think that's a good thing.
>>741340889Fortnite made companies BLIND. Reminds me of when uncharted 2 online became popular, gow tried the same with gow ascension and even nu tomb raider added one.But the thing is snoy refuses to bring way cheaper projects like Ratchet, Jak or Sky back despite those being easy money, probably because they can't face scan one ugly nepobaby It's like with Sega losing billions on Hyenas instead of using that money on some new Valkyrie Chronicles
Why didn't Sony just make a gacha?
>>741311436>spends 3.6 billion dollars to acquire Bungie>does nothing to get money back>mad at BungieSony execs are cryptids
>>741344007They already pull the platform fees for gachas. Why bother making one?
Kek Sony is burning right before our eyes
>>741344007but they did
>>741344007gran turismo 7 already exists
>>741339613>Man do i miss 30 nerdy guys making a game that they all play and test afterwards, talking out cool things they could addthat's not kosher anymore.
>>741327391how about just making good games?
>>741344558Didn't FGO come to an end like six months ago with some hilariously shitty ending?
>>741347743No? Why would they kill the game when it's still printing money? When gacha game story reaching an ending they just write a new one.
>>741336298I hope they don't fire anyone and triple down on Marathon.
Paul Tassi is the biggest bitch "Insider" ever. He doesnt even play the game which makes it even funnier
>>741311436That guy looks like he licks mens assholes.
>>741311723>buy studio for GaaS>meddle in everything>veto any important decisions they tried to make>basically remove any power they actually had to change anything>try to blame everything on them anyway despite taking away all rights they had to change thingsUsed to work with retards like that. They were really surprised I quit as if I was locked into that job for life.
>>741311436Revenge specifically by Druckmann for Bungie's recommendation of cancellation of the TLOU online game (thus wasting like 5 years of Naughty Dog's time)
>>741311436meanwhile I did nothing
>>741336513This increase in dev time is so criminal. They're taking longer to make worse games, with "better" details but worse art direction and lighting, and somehow less content. Instead of using that extra horse power on physics or anything cool we keep trying to make rocks and walls look prettier. We still can't even consistently get good hair.
>>741339039>the runnings costs for a GaaSWhich is stupid when they could just release it as a normal multiplayer game with an expansion pack or two down the line like the old days.
>>741341989>gow ascensionI remember enjoying that mp mode.>losing billions on HyenasThey could have made so individual games with that money. It's insane that these companies won't dish out chump change for smaller games, but will happily throw away billions on junk.
>>741349417it's the norm now. accountability is dead so these people behave accordingly
>>741351197i'm not paying more than $10 for GTAIV. they have taken enough from me in terms of patience and my attention.
make Bloodborne 2 or dieActually just did, it's not like anyone at snoy is competent enough for it. Bur. snoy HQ for what I care
>>741330003>>741336225>>741321053Underaged fucking retard
>>741351459>make Bloodborne 2 or dieThis. I see all this as karma for neglecting their actually valuable IPs while chasing GaaS slop.
>>741351197>with "better" detailsif only
>>741351657I never played this because I quit Asylum mid playthrough, but damn this looks good. You can tell the devs actually loved making this game.
>>741349580Dog DRUCKMANN is the fucking CEO you dumb faggot. HE cancelled it
>>741341989>Hyenas instead of using that money on some new Valkyrie ChroniclesValkyria Chronicles 4 exists, it wasn't made by Creative Assembly and all of them lost money despite being ok games. It has nothing to do with that, people were pissed at Creative Assembly retards because they were working on that piece of shit Hyenas without Sega knowing for most of it's life instead of working on Medieval 3 Total War, 40K Total War or Alien Isolation 2, which were actual profitable. Sega not knowing so far into is why heads started rolling and they layed off 240 people at CA alone, plus more at Sega Europe. All this live service slop is a moneysink black hole but executives and companies would rather gamble and have a massive hit than actually focus on their core business, it's insane.
>>741351657It took them 4 years to make this game. Today's devs would take 6-7. With the brain virus that's taken over the industry I think they legitimately wouldn't be able to make this.
>>741352076They can't. They don't even know how to remake a game with better graphics
>>741317315It was for the shareholders.
>>741353664FOR THE HOARD
>>741311436Reminder that shitendo is cutting even more, shitch poo sales collapsed over 90% and no software is selling
>>741311436What would axing one of the only profitable (I'm assuming D2 is profitable) projects accomplish
>>741327391What's the context of this image? All these game IPs suck balls
>>741327391
>>741332595>>Bloodborne 2they literally couldn't have
>>741353664>>741353754#4ThePayers
>>741313739>Why are the higher ups at Sony so fucking out of touch and incompetent?They're Japanese
>>741358948Japanese that were coerced (forced) to acquiesce and buy into the "Western" anti-consumer agenda.
>>741354370It's fucking amazing to me how consoles are going down the absolute shitter and yet this is the same timeline where Nvidia is halting PC hardware progression. It's so obvious that there's an agenda in place where they want to get rid of consumer freedom (and it's core = PC platform) and they're using Ai as an excuse but it's really interesting how there's a deadlock right now because even the normies are catching onto the sanitized first party slop titles that are just a vehicle for culture war propaganda.
>>741317160If Sony brought Bungie on, specifically for their work on live service garbage, then Sony deserves equal blame. Like hiring a hitman.
destiny 2 has been done for a long time thoit was the right call to stop wasting resources on itnow they just need to sunset marathon and we'll be good
>>741311436Destiny 2 was a fucking rock solid game until the troons game in and fucking ruined everything just like they did with all the other studios>Destiny 2 launches in a bad state with less content then D1>Destiny 2 eventually surpasses this problem with content>Destiny 2 releases more and more content with zero issues and even wins yearly best community awards at the game awards>DEI & troons start to infest studios like a plague and Bungie is one of them>troon skins, flags, and story telling starts happening>men bad or fags and women good and strong>game quality begins to plummet>patches launch unplayable>expansions launch unplayable with shit contentIts fucking WILD has fast these people make things go to shit, think about how many good things that have been around twenty plus years that these people destroyed in less then a year and its even crazier that some companies are STILL trying to work with these fucking people.
>>741359862the troons were already there back in d1 retardd2 was never good or better in any way
