Rank them
>>7413192972>3=1
people say 2 is a straight upgrade over 1, but it is really just more of the same so it didn't have as big an impact to me. I remember most of the stages and bosses in 1. plus the dlc in 2 was disappointing, whereas the first games dlc culminated into a cool finale.1 > 2I haven't played 3.
>>7413192972>1Not playing 3 until they fix Kusarigama, Hatchets, Tonfa and Splitstaff
>>741319297You already did
>>7413192972=1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3I went back to retroactively play Nioh 1 alot more and prefer its more focused combat over 2 BUT most the weapons are boring tech demos. That said the movement speed you can get along with how tight and focused the pure combat is elevates it over Nioh 2 in alot of ways. Nioh 2 is a better game overall. I have nothing good to say about 3.
>>741319326FPBP. 3 can still pull ahead of 1 if the DLC is good though.
>>7413192973=2 >1
>>7413192971 has the most soul but i enjoyed 2 a lot still. 3 needs a lot of work and not giving us stance versions of weapons that had them in the previous games but adding ninja weapons was a retarded change
>>7413192971>3>2Maybe 3 will beat 1 if the DLC is good enough
3 > 2 > 1>inb4 shit tastearts proficiency just feels too good
2>1>>>>>>3
>>7413192972>1>3
Lotta 2babs in here. Tell me how 2 was your first without telling me 2 was your first
Projection or stupidity? You decide.
>>741319297All worse than dark souls 2
>>7413192973 = 2 > 1
3>2>1DLC with new weapons will put 3 in a new stratosphere above 2. 2 has better boss design but 3 has more fun gameplaydont get me wrong, i miss canceling stuff with yokai abilities, but the cum gauge feels really good to use, and shifting ninjutsu to a meter you build up makes it way more natural to wave into gameplay, feels like the skill ceiling is higher with 3 considering 4 weapons + ninjutsu + spells + cancels, etc.
>>741323914
stop liking evil yokai
>>741319326Yeah pretty much this. 2 really was the peak.
>>741324232>shifting ninjutsu to a meter you build up makes it way more natural to wave into gameplayIt's just a dumbed down version of Marici's Grace and not worth sacrificing easily accessible Ninjutsu buff items.
>>741324360what about yokai that are not evil?
They're both improvements on 1. 3 has problems, some of which can get resolved via the DLC retroactively adding new weapons and reworking systems like they did for the previous games. It's currently hard to rank, but 2>3>1 if they do a good job with patches.
>>741324487>easily accessible ninjutsu buff itemsstuff like tiger running, poison buff, etc are all still available through onmyo, and are just as readily accessible, its a non issue. its just more comfortable for regular ninja gameplay since they are hotkeyed instead of having to cycle through 4 menus, and you can build for other stuff and supplement with them instead of needing to build for a grace to use them regularly
>>741324492those are ok
>>7413245312 is a downgrade outside of general weapon additions.
>>7413192977/1000/9.Nioh 2 > 3 > 1 for illiterates.
>>741324735It is absolutely an issue.
>>741326134you can slot like 7 fucking spells, what are you bringing that you cant slot poison buff or tiger running? even if you slot the 4 elementals you still have 3 extra slots for buffsthey gutted substitution in 3 anyways, so its not like you're running that, elem weapon buff is better than poison/para since it stacks confusion and frees up a slot, strength and carnage dont stack, you have like 2 free slots in any scenario even when trying to be meta as fuckif the complaint is "waaaah i cant slot 28 different items at once" then fuck off retard, it doesnt matter
Until you can parry yokai, Nioh 2 remains peak.
>>741326420the dlcs will fix that
>>741324531they dont need to add new weapons. they just need to bring back the weapons they forced into ninja stance unless thats what you meant
What's the cope going to be when the DLCs for 3 don't add any new weapons?
>>741326683retardthey always need to add new weaponsthey always have, and its the single largest addition to gameplay they can make because of how much it improves the combat every single timetonfa and odachi were crazy on releasesame with cestus and splitstaffi'm sure whatever we're getting in 3's dlc will be the same
2=1>3 Ninjafags need not reply. CHADoh is a SAMURAI game.
>>741319297I got 1 on release and thought it was pretty shit. Got halfway through, but I beat most bosses in one attempt and although there was weapon variety, most weapons were mere re-skins of that weapon type. Nioh 1 is like a poverty-stricken From game.
>>741326989lower your tone, it's mmo bloodborne.
>>741326783ok but what could they even add at this point?
>>741326420>make human-only parries>human enemies are so easy or annoying that using parries cheeses themagain, just make it like fist's parry where it works on all enemies but you dont get a guaranteed cutscene followup
wow
woow
>>741327118wo long had a fantastic whip weapon, and i'm craving a second longer odachi style sword with a different movesetthe chinese longsword in wo long had a big focus on charged attacks and parries, which could be cool
>>7413192973 > 2 > 1I love the combat in the games but I really, really disliked the linear mission structure of them. I did not need an open world (I would have taken some less levels with some more paths), but I do think the open world was fun enough that I put it above the others.I will say though, 3 is easier than 2 and 1 and that is a mark against it. 3 is not perfect and I can understand why someone would like 2 over it, I just remember having to do that one mission at the half flooded temple like 10 times because they reuse the layouts so much.
>>741327467I hate how these games handle weapons with an emphasis on charge attacks. Greatswords in RotR sucked too.
nioh 3 was supposed to bring in a larger audience and make the series more popular. Did it fulfill its job?
>>741327118they literally have naginata in Rise of the Ronin
>nioh 3 apparently killed the general in /vg/Why though?
>>741326420I had no idea the kusarigama had a yokai parry>500 hours in nioh 2
>>741327857No DLC yet
>>741319297masterpieces all of em’, can’t wait for Wo Long 2 (Too Long LMAO) and Nioh3 DLC. LEZZZ GOOO!
>>741327857That general was never permanent. It pops up when a new entry releases, stays up for a little while, then goes away.
>>7413192972>1 never played 3 but I doubt the open world is beneficial so I will rank it last.
>>741327756It was the fastest selling one so far
>>741328203my question still remains, if vtubers didn't play it then it was all for naught
>>741328427I mean some v-tubers did play it, but I don't follow streamers so I don't know who.
>>741327920nta but its a mod
>>741327756idk why people are so concerned with sales as if team ninja is going to go under any day or that they'll never make another action game ever again because the new one sold badly.Only Rise of the Ronin is their first real flop. SoP didn't sell too well either but they were contracted by SE to make it so it's not really a big impact on them (especially when the art direction wasn't appealing to the normal crowd, thanks to SE)/
>if vtubers didn't play it then it was all for naught
>>7413192972>1>3I dont like the open world format and they got too far from the principles established in 1. Still a good game, but after the dlcs i dont think i will ever play it again.
>>741327857there was some schizo there that drove everyone away. happened to wowcg too. many such cases
>>741328427https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGGUeGNwgzw>cant make it past the first level without being hard filteredthey contribute fucking nothing
>>741319326This. The sad thing is 3 could've been much better. The DLC might fix it, but I feel like it won't surpass 2.
>>741328669Why lie like this when anyone can look at the threads and see it's not true?
>>7413192972>1>3 for nowBut it's still too early to rank 3 before DLCs and end game mode.End game dungeons are my favourite part of Team Ninja games, it will be a deciding factor for me.
>>7413288363 will always be inferior to me because there's no way it can fix core issues like the fucked up skill progression.Well, it could be fixed, but they obviously won't do what's needed.
>>741328730their low skill ceiling and their viewership is what I was getting at, if large normiebait like them didn't play it then what chance does the game really have. Vtubers are always playing the latest games to content farm
I don't care if it unbalanced, parry yokai is kino
>>741327857People simply ran out of things to talk about. Nioh is much like MadWorld in that it's really only fun in short bursts. It's not like Skyrim where you can practically set up a means to practically live in the game.
>>741327810this is just the spear and odachi put together
>>741329117yokai parries could work in a game with unblockable attacks, which nioh has. But they didnt implement it because...?
>>741329168Personally I wouldn't mind a naginata weapon in nioh
2 > 3 > 11 has its novelties though.
>>741329292Tbf the burst counter is a yokai parry, but still.
did they ever fix the fps issues for nioh 3? it will never pull ahead of the others if they dont
>>741329472It's pretty rare to get noticeable performance improvements in Team Ninja games.
>>741329168the odachi is just a big katana, so what?spear, odachi and naginata are all in RotRnioh 3 shit the bed
>>741327385>>741327445surely it's on purpose
>>7413192972 is a complete casul redditification of 1
>>741331508what does redditifcation mean?
>>741319326this but 1>3
>>741327857Take the pill and go to a slower board, when in trouble talk about your work waifus till next update
>>741327284this
>>741327756I think it did. But at the same time, 3 is more of a side grade from 1 and 2.
Is nioh 2’s 120 fps setting still broken after all this time?
>>7413192972=strangers of paradise>1Can't rate 3 without its dlc
>>741335414Fist weapons are so fucking peak in both nioh and sop
>>7413192971 > 2 > 3as shrimple as that
He deserve another game
>>741328730How is vtubers pretending to be retarded until it becomes actual retardation?
>>741326420Royal guard mechanic in nioh2 is better than one button parry
>>741337681But is this including all DLC? Not so shrimple anymore.
>>741337712if square enix was smart they would
>>741337712One can only hope we'll get a FF2 SOP
>>741337712Play Jack's Card!
>>7413192971 > 2 > 3
>>741327857nioh general had not been up for years before nioh 3 released so it did not kill anything infact it revitalized a long dead general for quite some time
>>741338923giant toad means giant toad
>>741339673No shit, I never knew.
2>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>33 single-handedly killed my interest in Team ninja. If they can fuck up a Nioh game, then they are a lost cause. The engine in 3 is bad. Atmosphere plays a big role in Nioh's charm. 3's lighting is horrendous. The game is also less responsive, with many input not registering.Design wise, going open field was a huge mistake. Not only is running around just boring, but mobs don't scale up, so if you like challenge and go to an area under leveled, you'll level up and make the other areas (which the devs assumed you were going to explore first) extremely boring to go through. Samurai points being gate kept means that you need to re-spec them whenever you want to change weapons. Heck by the end of the game you only have enough to fully unlock half the weapons. Adding a universal parry also shows that they were just chasing trends. Nioh 1 and 2 had weapon specific parries, most of them were situational, but pulling them off felt very rewarding. The cum meter is another example of a bad idea that sounded nice on paper. It incentivizes skill spamming. Let's not talk about the lack of new armors and the censoring of the old one. Let's not talk about Ninja mode trivializing the game. Let's not talk about Ninja weapons becoming dogshit to use. Let's not talk about the story and characters having much less charm than the previous entries. This is fist specific but these motherfuckers thought that making Ocean Zephyr, the flip dodge, a hold action sounded like a good idea. If that doesn't tell you how out of touch they are then I don't know what will.
any risers in the chat?
>>741339673liar
>>741339983>The game is also less responsive, with many input not registering.From the demo, I feel like the time queue for combos has been shortened. In 2, I can delay the light -> heavy or heavy -> light combo a bit, but in 3, I just can't. If I try to delay, I'll just do a normal light and a normal heavy after that. It's weird. In a way, you could say that it's more "responsive," but I feel like having the choice to delay a combo is better.
>>7413192973 > 2 > 1The open world is an actual non issue and doesn't detract from the game anywhere close to as much as I would have expected and 3 has the tightest and most robust combat system to date taking all the improvements they've done since 2 in their other games and adding them in.
>>741340298reporting in
>>741331508I'll give it to them. They actually made yokai pools matter again in Nioh 3 and at least without fully gearing out, it can actually be a bit more difficult to get their ki down especially in dark realm form.
>>741337712I think the best we can hope for is a game that almost 1:1 to steals it's mechanics. Even then it still wouldn't feel as good because part of the appeal of the class system is that it's specifically using FF classes
>>741339983>Adding a universal parry also shows that they were just chasing trendsUhh hey retard, literally every ARPG they've made other than Nioh has a parry. And the one in Niohs is completely whatever. The game is not designed around it, it can't be because of ninja. It's not like wo long or something where parrying reduces the enemies ki, t just makes your blocking stronger if you can time it with the attacks and at a higher level it can also keep arts proficiency rolling between punishes. The mechanic is NOWHERE NEAR as strong as actual dedicated parry/counter moves that have been in the other games. You're such a brainless retard that goes>durr parry?! parry bad! without actually looking out what it does and how it works in the context of the game and that says a lot about the rest of your claims about nioh 3 being bad. Absolute fucking mongoloid. Glad TN will never listen to a retard like you.
>>741340298ROTR is the only Nioh like TN has made that I never played.
>>741342892kino
>>741340298rotr was incredible. although I don't know if I'll ever replay it.
>>741332721It insists upon itself.
>>741329145Nioh is fun both in short term and long term. Skyrim isn't fun for either timeframe
>>741340298I liked it.
>>7413192971 > 2 > 3. 1 because it I liked Wirriam as a protagonist and Edward Kelly and John Dee as villains. It was unique in that aspect. 2 is mechanically superior but it's just another game set in the Sengoku period which we have a gorillion of. 3 because it did not have the same charm as either Nioh or Nioh 2.
I've been here in real life, the whole china town of Yokohama is pretty slummy
Why are there no proper kimono outfits in nioh 2…….
>>741319297Story1>2>3Gameplay2>3>1Fun2>1>3
>>7413192971>2>>>32 was already bloated with shitty gimmicks like burst counters and soul cores, but 3 feels like a parody made by those ki pulse/stances/loot complainers plus the story, world and enemies are meh.
>>7413192972 > 3 > 1 > SoP > Wo Long > Ronin
>>741348718This but move 1 to after wo longI don't dislike nioh 1 by any means but it feels very barebones compared to the rest of the games, did not play ronin because its historicalslop and TN's biggest strength is fantasy creature design
>>741329352>1 has its novelties thoughElaborate.
>>741319326Fpbp as always, gem of a series
>>741328526Interesting. Only mod I used is the randomizer but that works intermittently.
>>741348915Nta but I think 1 had the best cutscenes and narrative. Also encounter design in general felt a lot more hostile. Like devs hated the player. So many encounters took place in tiny cramped rooms where you get tag teamed
While 3 seemingly has the most developed combat mechanics, it falters in encounter design and in difficulty. The many reused enemies simply don't have the tools to deal with all the new tricks you can pull on them.If the encounters aren't pushing you to fully use your moveset then what's the point? 3 feels like a half step that tried too much for the time and budget they had.
>>741319574>haven't played 3.Don't bother. Games went downhill after one.
>>741349368Sop has the best balance of both combat and challenging non cheap enemy design especially bosses
>>741349368Yeah that's my biggest issue. It's pretty fun to comboslop your way through the game but too many older enemies feel like a cakewalk thanks to the jump alone
>>741349545>challenging non cheap enemy designI am still assmad over that scorpion boss that pins you to a wall and you either succeed the DPS check or eat shit and die. Ended up switching to Dragoon just so I could cheese it with the jumpSick music though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QEttcw0X0Q
Am I the only one who prefers 1 over 2? 1 felt more memorable and had a good cast of characters, 2 just one big blur with nothing standing out, though new mobs are pretty gud. Wish it was possible to port the entirety of 1 into 2.
>>741349857Nah, 1 is the best IMO
>>7413192973 > dog shit > cat piss > 2 > 1Yes, I fucking hate ki pulsing and stance switching, how could you tell?They serve no purpose over than make you feel like you're playing a flute during a boss fight, with all the unnecessary button presses. I've no idea why every souls clone is trying to reinvent the wheel, the DS3/BB/ER formula is already perfect, just take it, From had already done all the R&D for you, why make this nonsense.
>>741349857I like 1 but 2 has some really good arcsTokichiro arc and final dlc were very memorable to me
>>741350050I never finished DLCs for 2, are they actually good?
>>741350026Ki pulse and fluxing are cancel tech of nioh retard
>>741349857Nioh 1 has very poor enemy variety (it's mostly just dwellers, skeletons and yokis all the way through, and then namahage everywhere in the DLC), and the level design is very repetitive, especially the castle levels which are just blocky rooms over and over, kind of like in a low budget JRPG. The game is also oddly tuned, both you and the enemies deal too much damage, so you either 2 shot that yoki or he 2 shots you, meaning the combo system rarely gets to shine.Nioh 2 is much more polished, it plays the same on the base level, has all the same moves and weapon styles, but expanded in many ways, and the enemy variety and level design are much better. The first mission alone has more yokai types than the entirety of Nioh 1. And they fixed the excessive damage issue, so breaking ki now actually matters, because enemies don't die to a single high stance combo.
>>741350026this is why 3 is bad it catered to non nioh players
>>741350080>Never finish dlcMan missing so muchNioh2 has the best endgame loop on higher difficulty which I don't you can start without dlcsReal nioh2 begins once you reach dream of the demon difficulty
>>741350153You mention repetitive castle levels from Nioh 1, but 2 actually suffered much more in that regard, half the campaign was about exploring shitty jap castles (wooden forts by european standards)
>>741350237Visually yes but level design in 2 are very good
>>741350237Yes, It's still Sengoku, so there will be castles duh, but they're much better designed, the castles in 1 (like the one where you fight the ninja girl and the burning one) are literally just square rooms copypasted over and over, like a JRPG dungeon. The spider castle was neat though.
>>7413192971>2>3I enjoyed william's story the most. 2 is too disjointed and spans over the course of too many decades. 3 is just banal nonsense. gameplaywise I enjoy first game's simplicity the most. I didn't like 2's skill tree changes and burst counter feels too prescribed. 3's ninja mode, nuf said.
Nioh 1 does have some good levels in it. The Ocean Roars Again comes to mind.
Does 3 have weird camera "jitter" for everyone? Even capped at 60fps when walking around it feels like the game is stuttering, but if I enable a frametime overlay it's completely smooth. 2 and SoP run fine for me and don't do that.
>>741350405Gotta be baiting with this one, it's one of the most hated levels, being a dark stage with insta-death holes in the floor everywhere.
Why hasn't anyone ported the campaign from 1 into 2? Is it impossible?
>>741350478Probably some fucky mouse input implementation. Don't be a faggot and buy a controller, anon.
>>741350532I'm playing on a 360 pad
>>741350501I don't think these games are modding friendly. They're built on obscure in-house engines and everything is pre-baked/pre-compiled. So the most you can do is some asset swaps for titty mods.
>>741350482Environmental hazards are actually more interesting than boring square rooms since you have to pay attention to your positioning. Other encounters like the ones on the rooftops and the way the level overlaps with itself is good too.
>>741349368Every Nioh is the same game with different (more) bells on, but the bells aren't necessarily improving things, in some cases they undermine the core gameplay, and at this point there are so many bells it's difficult to see what the game even wants to be. There is a philosophy of More Toys Better and you have all of the toys all of the time, so a Nioh 3 player character now has all of the extensive moveset of a Nioh weapon with a big tree of skills and 3 different stances, but they also have 3 other weapons across 2 different forms plus 8 pages of buffs and consumables, spells and ninjutsu, 2 different guardian spirits with 4 different skills, a super mode meter and spirit incarnations and a universal counter move and 8 different parries and there is no gameplay focus whatsoever, just pages and pages of toysHaving options A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J and K all at the same time must sound really cool on paper but then you remember you also have L and M which are just better and they're also always available simultaneously because nobody has successfully balanced any of this shit. RPG choices are supposed to direct players into particular playstyles but Nioh doesn't actually do this, instead it just throws the whole toybox at you in the hope that it would be too much of a mess for you to figure it out
>>741350478Game's performance is shot due to terrible coding of the overworld
>>741319326I can agree with this.
>>741350405Iga Escape and Siege of Osaka are also really cool. I think Nioh 1 and 2 both have fantastic level design.
>>741319297Nioh1: Fun/10Nioh2: Fun/10Nioh3: Fun/10So overall, Fun/10.
>>741353137based fun haver
>>7413192972 > 1 > 33 was so shit, small wonder it was forgotten so quick
shit/dont play sequels to shit games/dont play sequels to shit games
>>741350026>the DS3/BB/ER formula is already perfectIt genuinely stinks
>>741353924You don't play games, you just shitpost about them.
>>741353137This. Genuinely the most fun ARPGs I've played. I can boot any of them up and then just have a romp in any of the ng+ dreams while trying to style with the 1kat. I went back to nioh 2 recently after burning out on 3 and am trying to figure out the ki pulse cancel with talismans
So it looks like the average consensus around the internet is 2 > 1 > 3. Nioh 3's reception is mostly positive, but also largely divided as while many people praise the new gameplay systems, others (mainly veterans of this series) are off put by the open field structure, the division of weapons towards Ninja mod, and/or the performance issues.
>>741329117Oden..
>>741327284>>741335414They fucked up opportunist's input so much for me that I just deflect with fists in 3.
>>741326989Idk where people get the idea that these games are anything but superior to Fromsoft games in literally every way.If FS studied nioh games like a college course and upgraded their design methods with theirs, souls games and soulslikes in general would evolve into proper DMC comparative action games over night. Video games would be more or less saved.
>>741327118Kanobo.A dagger or pair of daggers could be godlike.Could make a firearm based weapon, like a revolver paired with a katana.
>>741355785You'd be making a player version of that introductory bakumatsu boss fight. Not the worst idea for a new weapon, but then we'd be up to 4 different kat weapons. 1kat, 2kat, big kat, and gunkat.
>>741353137kek yeah every TN game just mogs every action game out there.
>>741319297>1no character creation, therefore instant INTO THE TRASH>2godly>3decent but needs DLC to match 2
Is Nioh 3 only going to have 4 difficulty levels unlike the usual 5 these games have what with it only getting 2 DLC packs?
>>741338974>infact it revitalized a long dead general for quite some timeIt barely lasted a month you dumb faggot.
>>741356908Just utilize the Stone of Penance they added a few updates ago
>>741327857just start a team ninja general on /vm/ all the games have coop so theyre MP
7/10, 8/10, 6/10
>>741355983>up to 4Fuck it. I'd be happy if they made literally another 1kat but with a different moveset.
>>741350026>I fucking hate ki pulsing and stance switchingsounds like you hate nioh then
>>741356849>not liking william
>>741350026>I fucking hate ki pulsing and stance switching, how could you tell?You type like a fag and your reaction pic is a hack
>>741319326Reasonable. Although we gotta wait for the DLCs of 3 before we can pass the final judgement.
>>741360258I think there's a lot they can do to really elevate nioh 3 in the dlcs. Especially if they fix encounter designs, ai and rework enemy attacks.
>>741319297Nioh: 9/10Nioh 2: 10/10Nioh 3: 9/10 but will likely go higher with the DLC.1 is just a really great start with gameplay that never gets old, high difficulty, fantastic boss fights, and some great characters.2 is about as close as I've seen to a perfect game. God tier action, amazing RPG mechanics/stat autism that give basically infinite content, great levels, good story and characters, great DLC.Nioh 3 is only worse than 2 in the content and story department. The content will probably be addressed with DLC adding difficulties and levels, but the story is quite poor. However, I think this game simply has the best feeling combat of any game. It only has a few changes and additions to Nioh 2, but whatever they did, the simple feeling of hitting an enemy with a weapon in this game feels so incredibly good.
>>741360834More like Kinoh
>>741346271Did you visit the port opening memorial hall while you were at Yokohama? I went there because of Ronin. Being inside there literally feels like being transported back to late 19th century Japan. Very nice place that you can explore freely, or accept one of the kind volunteers' offers for a free tour.
>>741346271>>741361145I need to finish Ronin. Incredibly fun combat but I kinda burned out on the open world shit
>>741350026Gigachad
>>741360834Even now Nioh 1 stands out really well due to how lean the combat is compared to the other entries. Stances just feel great.
>>7413192973>=2>=13 slightly higher because of tm cancel, juggling, frost moon, universal deflect and the sheer amount of expression with the ability to flip between stylesthey all have their pros and cons mostly when it comes to the rpg and progression systems in new gamethe main con of 3 that is objectively shit is weapons being style exclusive, for now(cope), and yokai skills being a consumable with dogshit wind up whereas in 2 they were instant and integral to stringing combos, in 3 i almost never use them. While GS skills sort of replace yokai skills, its just 2 skills fixed to each GS and I only use the fun skill because I find the summon boring.Magic in 3 is shitty because of the passives where you have to choose between versatility or faster cast speed. I never bother rebuffing mid fight because its too slow and not having magic/nin self buffs insta cast like in 1 always felt bad, but even compared to 2 at least you could have versatility effect and fast cast speed.Ultimately have to wait for all the DLCs.
Don't understand why Nioh 3 fanboys are this delusional thinking DLCs are going to rework and fix the game. At most we're going to get a new open world area with a new weapon, probably the length of that mini zone between act 2 and 3.
>>741361683>tm cancelThis cancel is disgustingly op. I think I prefer the ki pulse cancel in 2 though since that makes consumables way more viable in combat whereas the tm cancel just cancels literally any move at any point (also the burst break cancel is fun too). There's just too much to experiment with. I'd like to see what people come up with once it gets a bit more interest with dlcs.
>>741339983Correct.
>>741361870Nobody said they want the DLC to rework the game. All it needs is new levels to go through and more difficulties to grind higher level gear.
>>741361870No one is looking for a massive rework. More content would work fine but my main concern is currently a lack of challenge or substantial RPG progression across cycles. In every other Nioh the DLCs addressed this.
>>741350153Nioh 1 has the strongest encounter design in the series and it's a big part of why it really ass rapes beginners. Nioh 2, as a SEQUEL, with mechanics that make the game easier, has much weaker encounter design as at a baseline it is easier but for veterans, it becomes 5x easier, and for veterans that quickly learn how to abuse yokai skills it becomes like 20x easier. Nioh 3s encounters are somehow EVEN weaker with enemeies that are not scaled properly
>>741319297Nioh 2 still the best
>>741361870>this schizo againI know Nioh 3 raped your mother but you need to stop letting it live rent free in your head.
>>741362069The problem is that this isn't structured like the other Niohs it's completely different so their approach to DLCs will also be completely different. I do want the game to get better obviously but I don't have any hope
>>741362075>Nioh 1 has the strongest encounter design in the seriesAh yes, yokis and dwellers + humans in every single base campaign map, amazing design. You're probably the same kind of retard that says From pealed at Demon's Souls lmao
>>741362187That's fine imo. We already have 2 games with an underworld if I wanted that. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller instances of gameplay with modifiers kinda like rifts in sop. Also a reason to actually take my time in the open field on ng+ onwards.
>>741362242>From pealed at Demon's Souls lmaoFrom peaked with their non souls stuff. Souls as a series has generally shitty gameplay
>>741362242>duhhhh encounter design is how many different enemies there are durrrrrrrrrr>points out an example of fantastic encounter design and pretends it's badoh sweet summer child
Before Nioh 3 when people looking for souls-likes to play asked about Nioh, the responses were often "don't bother it's bullshit hard and for autists".But after Nioh 3, the responses are "Nioh is piss easy, it's okay if you're looking for a chill open world game, but there's no substance"Team Ninja assassinated their best IP just like this
>>741362548Good, tryhard autists that don't know the difference between difficulty and fun deserve nothing. Nioh was never good because it was hard, it was good because it was good.
>>741362548Team Ninja should make a Zelda-like next.
>>741362548Why make shit up?
>>741362548Can't wait for the Relink expansion bro.
>>741362545Nioh 1 encounter design is genuinely great. Combat encounter arenas/rooms being small really helps.
>>741362627See /r/soulslikes. E.g. here's a thread from just a few days ago, everyone says that STELLAR BLADE of all things has much better bosses than Nioh 3https://old.reddit.com/r/soulslikes/comments/1u5zror/nioh_3_or_stellar_blade/
Nioh 3 forced me to learn the switchglaive because kusarigama is boring dogshit now. is there any other weapon that comes close to how fun the latter was in the previous games?
>>741362890>reddit>stellar bladelmao
>>741362548reminds me of monhun wilds, where even game journos were calling it easy
>>741362890Nigger when the fuck has Nioh ever been known for good boss design? Stellar Blade DOES have better boss fights than any Nioh game.
>>741362890Fantastic bait
>>741362803nioh 1 also constantly has you fight multiple enemies at once, instead of making it easy to leash and pull 1 at a time and humans are a serious threat. 2 made people forget a lot of things which is further obscured/forgotten because of the amount of people who started with 2 and never touched 1. I don't hate the series for the direction it's gone but I think it is sad how the COMMUNITY has forgotten just how good nioh 1 is, it's only major fault being some of the unbalanced strats they weren't prepared for players to do and late game builds invalidating the major difficulties more than any other game
>>741363029>Stellar Blade DOES have better boss fights than any Nioh game.Stellar blade is garbage anon
>>741363226Troon
>>741363273Stellar blade is literally a troon game. Even more so since nobody actually discusses the shitty simon says gameplay and only choose to talk about the outfits you can dress up your eve in. It's AGP: the game.
>>741362936kusorigama has always been a boring weapon idk what to tell you
>>741363029Nioh 2 had some neat ones, like the one winged demon samurai, the boar demon samurai, the two faced statue, uhhhh the stabby female demon boss in the DLCThe gimmicky ones like the owl and the crab sucked dick though, and there were also too many of "just a dude with infinite poise"
>>741363379Magara naotaka alone is better than the entire tranny blade lineup
>>741363357Yep, definitely a tranny. You mentally ill freaks are literally incapable of being subtle with your falseflagging.>>741363379Nioh 2 definitely has the best of the TN games but the boss design even then has never been a highlight of TN's games. It's always been the combat system itself. The bosses have always ranged from outright bad to ok with the few rare exceptions being good. It's never been this series' strong suit.
>>741355074Dude, true. It's really obnoxious to use now.
>>741363029This fag was trying to tell people in another TN thread that Stellar Blade is a fantastic action game when it's LITERALLY just baby mode sekiro with dial up combos. If this wasn't modern /v/ i'd more easily believe it's bait but i've seen too many genuine retards on here for that to be the most likely scenario.
>>741363623Go back to seething about Nioh 3, schizo.
>>741363442Naotaka is just low stance dodge slop, watch this masterpiece:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTmocsy5SKcHarder than Malenia btw, if you miss a parry during the shadow clone combo (e.g. at 3:43) you die instantly
>>741363693>ongbal>simon says parryslopLmao
>>741363476>Nioh 2 definitely has the best of the TN games but the boss design even then has never been a highlight of TN's gamesTN literally has the best bosses. Like if you're serious about Stellar Blade, a parryslop game with extremely fair and generous telegraphs, then you're nothing but a fucking retard.
>>741363693>(e.g. at 3:43)Wow this really is just sekiro with tits.
>>741363809>incomprehensible schizobabble
>>741363693>if you miss a parry during the shadow clone combo (e.g. at 3:43) you die instantlyyou realize that means everyone is bottlenecked into learning it, right? no room for player/skill expression, just practice the one thing that works
>>741363913>just practice the one thing that worksThat's the whole game thoughbeit
you folded your hand too early. obvious bait is obvious
>>7413192972 > 3 > 1No idea how the series survived past 1dog shit game. 2 is as close to perfection as you can get.
>>741326420Fuck sakes now Im gonna reinstall. Nioh 2 is so fucking good
>>741327118Nunchucks
>>741363983zoomzoom
>>741363991You uninstalled?
>>741363913So what's the alternative? Just do whatever and roflstomp the boss? Nioh 2 kinda played like this if you did every side mission and overleveled, which led to me not enjoying it that much
>>741328526>CheatingOh ok
>>741363913>the boss doesn't let you dab on it while it's unable to do anythingThat's not a good thing. Bosses should partially force the player to play by their rules otherwise there's literally no difference between a boss and a regular enemy. Nigger you're literally describing the biggest weakness with TN boss design and why SB's are better.
>>741364149You can do just fine in any nioh severly underlevelled if you know your weapon and moves. You described two shitty extremes
>>741351078I can't tell what's going on in that vid
>>741364232The two combat systems are completely different. Stellar Blade is color coded simon says so every boss is you learning when to press what button without any further engagement. Nioh combat system gives the player much more freedom and bosses usually feel like stronger enemies except for some gimmick enemies. Each game series leans into its respective combat system for the bosses. It just so happens that stellar blade combat just kidna sucks.
>>741364149well you brought up Malenia, who people have a number of counters just for her waterfowl dance>just do whatever and roflstomp the boss?>>741364232you mean like the knockdown build that you can use on every boss, including Scarlet?
>>741363913>no room for player/skill expressionDumb meme complaint.
>>741364373>Stellar Blade is color coded simon says so every boss is you learning when to press what button without any further engagement. Always love when troons expose that they haven't played the game by lying and saying the combat is purely reactive. It makes it so fucking easy to dismiss your tranny opinions as worthless.
>>741364414>Dumb meme complaint.Soulsfag comment
>>741363693This looks like Khazan but shitty
The games are at least popular enough to draw all kinds of autistic posters
>>741364373stop engaging with him, he's very obviously baiting at this point. He has nothing of substance to say or argue
>>741364135My laptop hardrive penisu so small, mostly full of PS2 games. I have about 400 hours on the PS5 version but my wife has been using the TV a lot
>>741364635>samefagging after his tranny bait got exposedlmao. Love how consistently it gets proven that the only people that seethe about Stellar Blade are troons.
>>741364676>PS2 games.Oh yeah? Which ones?
>>741364605Khazan lost, the dev team was disbanded. Get over it.
>>741364467All your points got invalidated the second you posted your epic clip of ongbal fishing for parries for 5 minutes >>741363693Go away tranny
>>741364635It's the same tranny who kept making ng4 vs sb threads a while back.
>>741364751Godhand, FF12, Chaindive, Urban Reign, Final Fight Streetwise, Nightmare of Druaga, bunch more. Finna kick the wife off the tv tonight fuck this
I think it's pretty crazy that Nioh 3 gives you a skill that lets you cancel your animations into style shift and hardly anyone talks about it or showcases how crazy that really is. It's not quite as good as job switching in SoP but's still really strong
>>741364976Very cool. I'm finishing up AC Zero and will be playing 3rd gen armored core. Urban Reign is a ton of fun
>>741365046Because it's a dumb tacked on gimmick that has no place in Nioh?
>>741365046Most people are more focused on the talisman cancel because it blends into your combos much more seamlessly. Most combo vids you can see people using it because the quick item bar keeps flashing.
>>741365046Most of the people here seems less interested in how the gameplay systems work and more so how much the game caters to their masochistic interest.
>>741365046literally anyone with a brain left nioh 3
>>741365148So you would agree with yokai abilities cancelling your abilities too? and being able to use ki pulse to cancel item animations? We can just agree that Nioh 1 is the best?>>741365153I forgot about that. It is better but man I don't really have the tism to practice it
https://youtu.be/bnpKMP1-8Ig?si=2UgPNNdObEB-Vaqb&t=83382 is so kino
>>741365046>>741365296Also very fun if you don't combine burst break + style shift so you can just cancel with burst break indefinitely while staying as ninja/samurai. Or even use the talisman cancel >>741365153I've played around with the burst break cancel a bunch and you can do some really hilarious DMC tier shit with just remaining in the air as a ninja. I think an equally interesting mechanic is the skill that lets you ki pulse after guardian an attack. Mainly because it lets you instantly do a frost moon attack. Given the properties of mid stance frost moon that means you can just guard an initial attack in an enemy chain and immediately attack them from midstance while deflecting their next attack.
>>741319326Yeah...Yeah thats pretty accurate actually
>>741365296>Godhand.webm
>>741365412>that lets you ki pulse after guardian an attack. Mainly because it lets you instantly do a frost moon attack.yes it's strong on it's own but learning to do it into frost moon for a free hit is great, especially using low stance to reposition. mid stance is really hard to use as a guard but it does feel good when you get it
>>741365682I already dumped 100 hours into 3 + 20 hours into the demo before that so I'm a little burned out but really looking forward to coming back when the first dlc drops. There's so much to explore in the combat system.
2 then 1 then 3. 2 is a 10. 1 is a 9.9. And 3 is a 9.8
Couldn't get into Nioh 1, tried many many times, I must have like 80 hours across both PS4 and PC, but never finished it once. So I ignored the series until earlier this year when I started playing Nioh 2, currently 300 hours into it and still having an amazing time. Just recently got my first high refresh rate screen too so I'm now playing it at 120fps and it got even better.One of the best games I've ever played. Makes me want to try 1 again once I'm done to see if it'll finally click now.
>>7413660981 has a lot of minor annoyances that pile up to kill the experience, like wall bounces.
>>741366098My anecdote is that 1 was my last game in the series (started with 2, beat 3, then 1) and I loved it just as much as the others.
>>741319574>but it is really just more of the sameYeah definitely. Plays the exact same. Yep. Definitely.
>>741365148>that has no place in Nioh?Retards really just say random shit that has literally no meaning.
>>741366651No it does have meaning but if he truly believes what he says, then he would have to agree that 2 does the same thing. Part of the reason 2 is considered easier is yokai skills giving the player the ability to cancel animations into something that costs no stamina and has hyper armor. This is strong by default but even better when you use something like phantom to have a free dodge you can use any moment. This means that any time you commit to a big move at the wrong time you can cancel it and get out of jail for free. This means that whenever you're low on ki you can rely on yokai skills to attack while your ki regenerates. So in general, players can play a lot looser and with less strategy because they can cancel them and recover ki. The same arguably applies here too. The mode switch animation isn't instant but it is pretty fast so you can get out of bad attack commits and you can switch to ninja mode too which has pretty fast ki recovery.
>>741366651An emphasis on animation canceling and combo shit is fucking gay.
>>741366098Nioh 1's first mission is bullshit, esp the first Yoki who will one shot you while you deal no damage to him. Feels very bad, but what you're supposed to do is switch to high stance and slash at its horns which will instantly knock him down.Basically, main 1kat and spam the high stance combo (Morning Moon IIRC, basically light into heavy, also the kick deletes likes 50% of the enemy's ki instantly, both were nerfed in 2) against any yokai, and the game is ez. Farm revenants for the Warrior of the West set, it's all purple pieces and revenants will drop upgraded ones throughout the entire campaign, so you never need to engage with the shitty gear system.The DLC's though... very difficult, I just spammed living weapon 2bh (you can top it up by crashing amrita), no idea how to beat some of those bosses like Maria or Date Masamune otherwise, seems impossible without farming NG+ gear or using cheese strats like thatNioh 2 is much better tuned, yes, but I'm still glad I finished 1
>>741367229Combo slop has always been in nioh. Combat system had a lot of depth for players to explore, min max and fuck around with since day 1.https://fxtwitter.com/srqsrq1057218/status/2025205665841775059
>>741367229Nah, Team Ninja has been doing this since NG1 and it's fun.
>>741367421I didn't really have a problem with difficulty from what I played, it just didn't grab me with the mechanics for some reason. Maybe it was my weapon choice. If anything I feel like 2 is a bit too easy because of all the shit you can do, but it feels so good to do all that shit that I don't care.I'm using Switchglaive and Fists in 2, and along with yokai abilities it just feels amazing to play, it's really engaging. 1 felt more limited to me. But again, could just be my own fault, I remember sitting on upgrade points when playing 1 but in 2 I'm always eyeing some upgrade and the moment I get a point it's spent immediately, I got way more into the skill trees and shit.
>>741367498I don't care how long glitches to abuse have been in. They're gay and I look down upon the people that use them.>>741367635Ninja Gaiden isn't Nioh.
>>741368139you type like an unc thats been here 20 years
>>741368036>FistsUnironically didn't beat the game. Fists were a DLC weapon and the AI doesn't know what to do, you can chainstunlock every human boss and they have no counter.
>>7413192972>3>1
>>741368139>glitches>it's just a normal game mechanic The stance + pulse system alone encourages experimentation where the logical conclusion is essentially endless aggression from the player. If you want to just roll between enemy attacks and hit them once or twice to just roll again there's an entire series where all you do is that.
What is wrong with /v/ lately. I've noticed this across several different threads, just really bad bait that isn't even funny. It's low tier trolling and I can't tell if it's "genuine" trolling by 14 year olds who are on 4chan for the first time or if it's people who are just trying to bait replies to keep a thread going. Not like this never happens in /v/ but recently it seems like there's a massive uptick in posts like this in threads that aren't the typical outrage thread.
God Nioh threads are awful now. I hope you guys have found a decent place to discuss these games outside of /v/ and Steam.
>>741367421luv Nobunagger
>>741368336all of these series discussions are just self fellatio over whose better at what slop, whether its fromsoft or team ninja, honestly im team stellar blade at this point, uniting over the waifus is at least something
>>741368302Shit like item/emote cancels are 100% glitches.
>>741368336>I hope you guys have found a decent place to discuss these games outside of /v/ and Steam.Unfortunately not.
>>7413680362 is easier overall but 1 is the easiest if you just abuse living weapon so it balances out
>>741368502When did I ever mention emote or item cancels? Those are Nioh 2. I was referring to Nioh 1.
>release bad game catering to people that don't like nioh>be surprised when discussion around it is bad
>>741368597>>release bad game catering to people that don't like nioh(you)
>>741368223Bitch I don't care, the game is easy, the AI can't do shit against my 78% melee damage bonus on poisoned enemy stacked with confusion and versatility no matter the weapon I use. Then I call the snake when the boss is in ki depleted mode and it melts him.Two feathers in and I already won the fight, and it feels great every time.
>>741368478It's mostly spill over from Souls threads where the fans shit on each other for enjoying different games in the series. Life cycle of a Nioh thread is>Bait OP for responses>200 or so posts of shit flinging between series as a whole>Souls fans get bored and fuck off>100 or so posts from Nioh fans actrually discussing the mechanics>>741368597Bait
>>741368336There are 2 Nioh discords, one from /r/Nioh and another more edgy one (they told me that poofer is bad lmao, they actually chased him off the server). I think the edgy discord is the bigger of the two.
>>741368572Dodge and sheath cancels are glitches too.
>>741368657>>741368687Tell me why Nioh never had this problem before 3. Nioh 2 released with dogshit performance(that got patched) no DLCs and was still seen in a positive light.
>>741368520Again could be my fault but I remember living weapon being very boring too, super limited moveset, feels like a western game power up rather than a devil trigger. Not that Yokai Form is any better, I never use that one either, but burst counters and yokai abilities are awesome.
>>741368809>Tell me why Nioh never had this problem before 3Discussion around Nioh has always been bad on /v/.
>>741368731Exclude any glitch you want and my point still stands
>>741368809Because Nioh 2 was 6 years ago and this board keeps getting worse.
>>741368809Nioh 2 was already out for a year on PS4 and built up good faith with the console crowd.
>>741368985What point? The one that had nothing to do with what I said?
>>741368669Yea the game is easy because of what that anon said, you're using what amounts to pay to win weapons
>>741319297there's Nioh 2, and then there's everything else(every action rpg ever made)
>>741362548Nioh 1 and 2 also are easy games though
>>741368809>Tell me why Nioh never had this problem before 3You're trying to isolate this issue to the games themselves when there are bigger meta reasons for why /v/ becomes a bigger shithole literally year after year, more young people enter the board, more zoomers who know less and parrot more. Literally has nothing to do with the games themselves and just the general state of things becoming worse across the board.
>>741369118That nioh has always had an emphasis on combo slop
>>741368825it is boring but it helped bad players cheese the game. you can just equip the kusa and spin to win living weapon 99% of boss encounters
>>741369276I remember my first playthrough of 1 and getting shitted on by Umi Bozu 30 times.
>>741369151The DLC itself is easy. The difficulty that is only unlocked when you have that DLC is easy. The bosses I fight with the Switchglaive are easy too. The game is easy.I'm not saying this as criticism, I'd understand the reaction if I was shitting on the game, but I'm not. This isn't Elden Ring, there are actual game mechanics to discuss here, weapons aren't just interchangeable difficulty toggles.
>>741365090I kneel. God bless bro
>>741349857>Am I the only one who prefers 1 over 2?Nioh 1 is still the best one. The only reason it doesn't sound like that is because Nioh 2 dick suckers spam Nioh threads saying its the best.
>>741369496Only with glitches.You're obviously not a Conqueror so it's time to stop talking.
>>741350153>Nioh 1 has very poor enemy varietyNigger, Nioh 2 is riddled with Gakis, the lamest and most boring enemy in the series.
>>741369920>Only with glitches.Again, wrong. It's fine if you just odachi high stance spammed but still wrong.
>>741369963>the lamest and most boring enemy in the series.That'll be the jailer oni from 3
2 is easily the best, they perfected everything they had built in 1. The only downside is how much bullshit is transplanted from 1 that is never explained like armor and characters
>>741369869>nioh 1 is the best. the only reason you hear otherwise is because other people like nioh 2fuckin deep bro
>>741370212Lmao
>>741370212You're in an echo chamber of your own making.
>>741349857>>741369869SOUL
>>741368809Probably because previous Nioh releases didn't arrive on PC simultaneously with the PlayStation version. I heard from a past thread that Nioh discussions were mostly comfy before the PC versions were released.
>>7413498571 is the best but i can see how the rpg mechanics might be too extreme for some which is why they toned them down in nioh 2. like how you're restricted on weapon combos in nioh 1 due to stat allocations and scaling but nioh 2 lets you modify those things so you can make any weapon work with pretty much any build
The truth is nioh 3 is just not good. Deflect and ninja style suck. Gimmick ninja style but no onmyo style. Stupid censored armor. System requirements are higher than 1 and 2, this prevent some from playing with a smooth experience and some from playing entirely.
2 is better than 1 in gameplay but 1 has better story, and they fucked up the endgame of 2 by making the abyss require way of the nioh which is fucking retardedSo it'd say2 = 1 > 3I couldn't really get into 3 and I don't know why. The monster women are hot.
>>741370619But is scaling much more important in 1? You can modify it in 2 but the difference is so minute that it would not stop me in any way if you couldn't. Remodel is just a bonus to me, I pick exclusively based on moveset.
>>741370705I think I would like the style switching more if they ditched Samurai entirely and made you switch between Ninja and Onmyo and made the entire game play VERY differently from the past two, with level design more focused on supporting all the new unique mechanics.People have expressed interest in a magic-focused "soulslike" in a while and this could be a big selling point for them.
>>741370705uhhh no the game is good mmyep you just got filtered mhm im a real fan
>>741370353yes thats called speaking you fucking retard
>>741319297Reminder that 3 isn't finished yet
you fags will actually make me install Nioh 1 again goddamn it
>>741319574https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG3dokqloV4Tamamo sexo, Nioh 2 did not have her, blatant downgrade.
2 is the best but 1 is great
>>741370705Wrong, deflecting is by far the best addition to the game and the biggest reason why 3 is better than 2.
Can’t believe anyone says nioh 1 is good when half of its bosses are cancerous living weapon spammers.
>>741370754yeah, i used the weapons i liked anyways but one was clearly weaker and it showed by the time i was pushing into way of the nioh
>>741371198I screamed when I first fought her and she did a flying swallow like move.
>>741360546They just need to turn up enemy aggression. The way encounters are laid out now it feels like one of those arkham games where you're always in a one on one
>>741371127>no barefoot okatsu in nioh 2it truly was a downgrade
>>741370705You have to be a mindless fucking retard to complain about deflect of all things>no onmyo styleOnmyo was never interesting. If you want to do cool magic shit go play Wo Long (it's a good game).
>>741371409You say that like the player doesn't have access to LW themselves. The game is clearly signposting for you to fight fire with fire. It's thematic. It's poetry. It's KI-NOH
>>741370985>yes thats called speaking you fucking retardYou have no good arguments, you just spam what amounts to 'I like Nioh 2' for years on end.
>>741371618>it feels like one of those arkham games where you're always in a one on onearkham games literally and I mean LITERALLY do the opposite. But yes I understand your point and you're mostly correct. The only time they'll ever force you to fight more than one enemies is if it's literlaly the most basic ones that are no real threat.
>>741370705AhemPlease don't use my screenshots if you're going to shit on kinoh 3. Thank you
>>741370705>>741371998stop posting IRL photos of me on image boards
>>741371847kek, you call >>741369869 a good argument? you are deranged
>>741368336>now
>>741370018Love it when retards run out of arguments and go straight to projecting.
>>741371287Deflect sucks and actively makes the combat worse.
footjobs from that female monster from nioh 2 dlc
>>741372863You're cringe and gay
>>741372863Okay go in depth on how it makes combat worse.
>>741368809Are you forgetting that literally every Nioh thread on /v/ for the past several years always opened with something like>lol this game sux, dark souls for people who like button mashers>lol dark souls sux, nioh is dark souls for people who like pressing more than one buttonThen every time the thread would devolve into soulsfags and niohfags posting cherry picked .webms and flinging shit at each other.Every thread that just wanted to discuss Nioh without a bait OP died after 100 posts.3's release didn't magically change that.
>>741373184you invalidated your post by posting a frog, to the point i'm almost convinced you're signposting that this is bait
>>741373096Blocking used to be the safer defensive option at a higher ki cost. Now it's always better than dodging AND increases your offense AND fucked up classic moves like Backwave/Tempest.Just Guards are cool in other games, but not Nioh.
>>741372445How many more fucking years are you going to spam 'Nioh 2 is the best' in Nioh threads. That's the problem, that's creating an echo chamber. You're nothing more than a parrot who mastered a single sentence. See you in 2030 saying the same line.
>>741367421>DateShoot him in the face with an arrow when he casts spells in LW then Iai/SotC loop his back. If hes outside LW then Backwave > High stance light > pre shift > Iai his front through him causing a backhit then loop him>MariaBait her lightwaves and spam anything on her back during this opening. Iai loops dont work she is the only NPC to have her own rules. But again she had only a few moves and will spam lightwaves nonstop for easy punishes.
>>741373237Fuck you, frogs are cool
>>741372776Like the guy getting upset about combos in nioh? Yea
>>741373308>Now it's always better than dodgingObjectively wrong. Deflect does not push your gameplan forward, it just makes blocking better. Blocking (and by extension deflect) doesn't give you offense, it just stops you from taking damage. Nioh 3 is not designed around deflect, like something like sekiro or wo long both mechanically and when it comes to the designs. It can't be this way because of ninja mode. The enemies are design around giving the players openings via movement and dodging. If you sit there in the enemies face focusing on deflect/block and then swing swing then you are missing out on a LOT of opportunities to deal damage. SO many enemies and especially bosses have HUGE openings if you dodge behind them or even to the side. Deflect is good but it does not suddenly make sitting in front of the enemy waiting to time your block better than actually maneuvering around the enemy. If you truly believe that sitting there is better than moving then you fundamentally misunderstand Nioh. There is also still an argument to be made for normal blocking too because of the skill that lets you ki pulse after blocking, recovering a lot of ki, but also giving you access to ki pulse specific weapon skills or frost moon abilities.
>>741373856>Blocking (and by extension deflect) doesn't give you offenseIt builds your cum gauge which directly gives you way more offensive power.If you didn't even know that, well, you're better off not saying anything.
>>741373856wrong
>>741373856This. Deflect exists as a counter balance for ninja mode and just opens up gameplay options, it's better than base dodge was.
>>741373856Lmao
>>741319297Honestly 1 is slightly above 3 for me, just because Wiriamu story is nice. But yeah, 2 is the best one despite how I enjoyed some aerial stuff in 3
Man I forgot I have Wo Long on Ps5, I gotta get to that. Played it for like 2 hours a few years ago and that just turned into another 50 hour Nioh 2 bender
>>741374195>It builds your cum gauge which directly gives you way more offensive power.and if the gauge is full? then what? you still need to create opportunities to use it. The art prof gauge fills so fast without even relying on deflect. I DO use deflect to fill the gauge but in more specific situations like vs a yokai boss when their ki is very close to being depleted and I want arts prof filled to squeeze the most out of a ki break combo but otherwise, you'll get about the same amount of gauge by squeezing damage between hits when possible. Deflect is still good in plenty of situations but that's for it's defensive value, not it's offensive value i.e. if an opponent is throwing out multiple fast attacks that don't give an opportunity to hit, you could dodge it and it would be easier to do so but you would lose more ki and might have to back further out of the enemy while deflecting would keep you close. This is not a universal rule and more enemy dependent but Nioh gives every mechanic a place to shine and that's okay.
>>741374635If you think I'm going to read anything else from you after that ignorant display you've got another thing coming.
>>741374748filtered by kinoh 3, filtered by text on the internet. Pic related is for you
>>741373325me? not much, but the others who your tiny mind cannot conceive as being other people? forever
>reduced the amount of unique weapon/armor effects>removed several guardian spirit effects and offered no equivalent to them elsewhere>reduced emphasis on positioning in combat (less ganks, less small rooms as arenas, no boss arenas permanently covered in environmental hazards, less bosses highly vulnerable from specific angles) >but muh yokai abilities (which actually just break combat) and muh new weapons (which all suck except fists btw)sorry nioh 2 tards but it wasn’t really an improvement
>>741374972So it's another round of spamming 'Nioh 2 is the best' for years on end again.
>>741375095u forgot that they nerfed yokai and how burst counter gives the player massive advantages simply for the enemy doing a specific attack and red ki giving the player an additional massive grapple attack on yokai now
>>741374635You can tell he's just a 2fag that's seething about every way that 3 is different.>>741374748kek that anon raped you.
>>7413192972 > 3 > 1
>>741373856>Deflect does not push your gameplan forwardI use Odachis so it definitely does for me. Pushes the enemies right onto the ground
3=1 > 2
So when do we think the first expansion for 3 will drop? There's a few upcoming releases that I'm looking forward to so I hope they choose a good window. Early September might be a good spot.
Reminder that Nioh 2 took a long time to get to where it is now. I remember when some of the weapon types straight up sucked with the scaling. I bought Nioh 3 and put like 4 hours into it before stopping. Ill come back to it in a few months
>>741375771Nioh 2 at release was pretty boring compared to Nioh 1 with DLCs. It was extremely limited and they heavily nerfed movement so it played very slow and evade cancels weren't as fun. I actually hated N2 at launch.
>>7413192971>2>3
>>741373856>There is also still an argument to be made for normal blocking too because of the skill that lets you ki pulse after blockingIsn't that Divine Weapon only? I think it creates a cool balance between choosing Divine for weapons with good ki pulse skills or Corruption to take advantage of Soul Core matching.Or am I stupid?
>>741376779This is about Nioh 3. You can equip a skill that lets you ki pulse from block and just in case you haven't played 3 yet, they add a new skill management system where you find skills in the world that add passive effects that you can just equip at a shrine, it's not RNG loot, it's not something that's a part of gear. They either add a flat passive bonus or they give you cool passive skills like this.
Downloaded Nioh 1 again but immediately uninstalled it after seeing the button mappings that would fuck me up going back to the others. At least 3 lets you map it like 2, but 1 has to be the only game I'm playing.
>>741377004Yeah I haven't yet, that sound really cool. Waiting on all the DLCs and hopefully a few performance improvements.
>>741373382How tf do i pronounce this???
>>741319297playing a fresh character through the game and man i forgot how aggravating the 3rd dlc (The First Samurai) is for Nioh 2, it feels like every enemy has insane tracking and will literally start a linear attack only to curve 120 degrees and follow your dodgethe other two dlcs weren't nearly as annoying imo
>>741377134I got you
>>7413192973: 8/10 Ninja mode saves it. You can skip the rhythm game bullshit entirely. Learning curve is retarded because you have a bunch of options which are completely non-viable. Once you get the hang of it most of the difficulty disappears.1: not sure I even tried this2: 3/10 Fucking terrible. Regular enemies become like bosses if you even get past the first few areas.
are nioh 3 armors actually censored?
>>741375341Don't bother replying to him anymore. He doesn't understand basic game mechanics.>>741378319Some are, yes, and a ton are outright missing.
>>741378538>Some are, yes,Any examples?
>>741375923>they heavily nerfed movementI hate tards who play nioh 1 with speed buffs on everything.Take your ADHD medication.
>>741378319Fuku is the only thing I see people complain about getting censored, but you can probably chalk that up to Japanese men not wanting to look at 40 something year old hags who had children.
>>7413192972 > 1 >>>>> 3My expectations for 3 were on the floor and I was still disappointed
>>741378571Fuku's is the most obvious.
>>741362623Retard
>>741378958Any player armours though?
>>741380186Onmyo Hunting got the same treatment. It's a recolor of Fuku's.
>>741380757Weird to go for that one specifically
>>741345681>set in the Sengoku period which we have a gorillion ofName ten
>>741349857There's a real autistic and annoying faggot here who always talk about how much he loves Nioh 1 and hates 2. Maybe it's you, I don't know, he samefag a lot
>>741381849>he samefags a lotSo bsaically you're just blanket assuming every single person who holds a single opinion is the same person like that guy in a Wo Long 2 thread yesterday assumed everyone that likes Nioh 3 is the same person.
>>741382038If he talks like him, and regurgitate his same arguments then yes I'm going to think it's the same person
>>741382038Pretty reasonable assumption to make, seeing as both of those opinions are so retarded there can't be more than a few people who hold them
>>741382491>>741382523Man 2 fags really are the most insecure faggots around. For how confidently you love to say 2 is the best you sure don't seem to actually have confidence in defending that stance.
>>741381612Nobunaga no YabōNobunaga's AmbitionNobunaga's Ambition IINobunaga's Ambition: Lord of DarknessNobunaga no Yabō: HaōdenNobunaga no Yabō: TenshōkiNobunaga no Yabō: ShōseirokuNobunaga no Yabō: ReppūdenNobunaga no Yabō: RanseikiNobunaga no Yabō: Sōtenroku
>>741382038It's a very prevalent and retarded mindset, unfortunately. Retards like >>741362159 use it to deflect criticism away from their pet games.
>>741382491Good arguments are good arguments.
>>741324735>stuff like tiger running, poison buff, etc are all still available through onmyo, and are just as readily accessible, its a non issue.There should be a skill that makes it so that you can treat them like onmyo spells in terms of recharging them. Limited paralysis/poison buff feels bad to use.
>>741382491>>741382523So yes everyone who disagrees with me is one person. How fragile you faggots are. Grow a spine, pussies.
these TN threads have been horrible ever since nioh 3 dropped people attack/defend it so hard let's just forget about it please
>>741383224Tourist larper, TNfags have always been a bunch of shitflinging third worlders, this is nothing new.
>>741326747I'd rather they reworked ninja and gave each weapon an extra moveset than have new weapons
>>741382736I-I...
>>741383224>let's just forget about it pleaseAlready happened since discussion dried up after 2 weeks and the sales stopped.
>>7413192971>2>wo longbought 3 but haven't played it yet because i know once i start i'll invest months into it like the prior 2 games
>>741383096Uh don't you know that if you repeat point over and over it means I can call you out as a samefag schizo and automatically win?
>>741326747i'm predicting that the first dlc is only going to be a switch that makes the "open world" be in constant demon form with ramped up new enemies and maybe a new zonei just can't imagine them working hard on the dlc since the game itself feels cheap
>>741383224I'd say it was about 2, maybe 3 years ago where the nioh and TN threads got REALLY bad. Like there have always been soulsfags shitting up threads but that changed a few years ago where people just generally shit on it.
>>741383537>i just can't imagine them working hard on the dlc since the game itself feels cheapGenuinely how stupid do you have to be to say and believe something like this? There's nothing cheap about Nioh 3
>>741383652He gets his opinions from /v/.
Going back to them I realized both nioh 1 and 2 kind of suck without the DLC. I think legit there are zero really good bosses in nioh 1’s base game. Nioh 2 maybe otakemaru, that’s it. The DLCs hard carry both games and I think on their own they’re like 4/10 games. Nioh 3 is not amazing but I’d probably give it closer to a 6/10.
>>741383652the horrible story? the lazy weapon reworks with ninja mode? the worse char creator? the fact that the open world has so few enemies? like i said they're just going to give us "new" stronger monsters from past nioh games and call it a daygame is literally nioh 2.5 and no it wasn't like this going from 1 to 2
>>741383189There is 1 paralysis tonfa and 1 poison weapon in Nioh 3. Keep them and upgrade them.
>>741383998This is bait. Nioh 3 feels like much more of a change from 2 than 2 did from 1.
>>741383951if nioh is a 4/10 what in god's name would a 10/10 look like to you
>>741384183Yeah, a bad one.
>>741384276>instant goalpost movingGood job openly admitting that your opinions are worthless since not even you actually believe them
>>741384210dark souls 2 (original, not scholar of the first sin)
>>741384356Different anon, retard.
>>741384365true, scholar is an 11/10
>>741383998Dude are you really going to pretend that TN games have good stories and Nioh 3 is the exception?> the lazy weapon reworks with ninja mode?How is that lazy at all? are you retarded? A lot of those weapons have different base movesets and new moves altogether and the concept itself is the opposite of lazy. How would it have not been lazier to just not have ninja mode and instead just copy paste every weapon from Nioh 2 into here? You are a full blown retard to think that is the case>the fact that the open world has so few enemies?How about the fact that the open world exists at all? Because there's nothing lazy about constructing these worlds. It would've been lazy to just do the same structure they've been doing for every one of their games outside of RotRNioh 3 is a genuine sequel. Unlike Nioh 2 which just took most of the stuff from the first game and just added new mechanics on top. Nioh 2 was called 1.5 back in the day. You have to be the lowest of the low iq gorilla nigger to think nioh 3 is lazy when it changes so much and puts effort into them, when their mission structure has been proven to be successful for them. When Nioh 2 sold more than Nioh 1. It would've been the easiest thing to rehash ALL of it but they didn't because unlike some other devs they actually try to genuinely improve upon, rework, and innovate upon their games.
>>741383951nioh 1 good bosses (base game):>hino enma>tachibana>nue>joro gumo>yuki-onna>ogress>ishidanioh 2 good bosses (base game)-enenra-naotaka-kasha-ryomen sukuna-shibata-shuten doji-kashin koji-nagamasa-yatsu no kami-otakemaru
>>741384365I don't agree with you but you're not a lunatic like >>741384494
>>741384621It's impressive how much worse SOTFS is from base 2.
>innovate>make it open worldkek
>>741384497Yes, making one stance for Ninja weapons as opposed to three is lazy. Why do you even have to be told something so obvious?
>>741384660Iron Keep was the final straw for me, the bugged enemy detection is just too much shit to be worth playing a lesser version of a game I'd already beaten 4 times when it came out.I don't give a SHIT about Aldia or his lore, everything about his lore in vanilla kind of pisses me off, because it reads like Dark Souls 1 fanfiction.2 was okay, I still remember my bell tower ring days fondly, before the balance patch and the meta set in, when I could powerstance dual caestus and beat down lightning spammers with glee, but anyone who goes "OHHHH BUT THE LORE OF ALDIA HE'S LIKE THE [zanzibarting continues]" is a chump and a dweeb and he ain't my nigga.
>>741385357Genuinely the stupidest thing I've read all day.
>>741319326I never played 3, but this feels spiritually true.
>>741385559?Three stances is one of the cornerstones of the franchise and instead of a fully fleshed out new mode we get some lame basic bitch shit. It's the very definition of lazy, especially when all those weapons previously did have three stances.
I just fired up 3 after dumping it months ago and damn, this game is genuinely so shit. i can't believe this is what Nioh turned into.
>>741386165You and me both, reinstalled after Wo Long 2 announcement and I did a random battle scroll where I button mashed everything then did a bit of Bakumatsu and uninstalled which is fucking crazy since I loved Rotr and was really hyped for act 3.I just can't stomach braindead games anymore, at least make the gameplay fun like if I play NG2 on acolyte(easiest one) it's still kinda fun because you feel like an unstoppable ninja in Nioh 3 I just switch to ninja mash XXXXX a random skill and it feels bad
>>741384596I agree, for the most part (big yokai bosses in nioh 1 are trash, nagamasa is boring, kashin koji is unremarkable outside of his cloning which is just tedious more than interesting)I don’t think the base game bosses for either game are mostly bad, just not REALLY good like the DLC ones are. When you look at stuff like masamune or eboshi the base game bosses feel horribly simple, easy, and repetitive by comparison.I was being harsh with the 4/10 rating but what I was trying to get at was like I wouldn’t replay nioh 2 just to fight sukuna or naotaka again.
>>741386165>>741386435Very organic
>>741386497we need more super bosses that will push your shit in. only having tachibana and toshimitsu in the games is not enough, dlc included
>>741386497nta shibata's a great fight, sometimes boot up the game just to fight him again. the ishida/white tiger track fits him really well. too bad his sub mission thats supposed to just bring you to his boss fight quickly has a lot of tedious enemies in the way first and doesnt even play the white tiger theme, instead it plays onryoki's theme. agree with you though that the dlc fights blow the base game ones out of the water. yorimitsu's probably the best human boss in the game
>>741384924many such cases
>>741364149>>741364232>good boss design is when it doesn't fit the combat design at all
>>741389994>cat poster>complete retardEvery time
>>7413192972 is heads and shoulders above the others, so I hope wo long 2 can produce a similar miracle
>>741390224>a good test of skill is when the game forces you to do only 2% of what the player is normally capable of doing
>>741390335Wo Long 1 was garbage so the only place to go is up.
>>741390404it's true
>>741390382I refer to my previous post.
2>1>Dogshit>Horse Shit>3
>>741363693This reminds me of when Ongbal released a video like "Nioh 3 Bloodedge Demon No damage (HARDEST DEMO BOSS)" and it was just him spamming ninja dodge with the ninjutsu that makes you ignore an instance of damage. The supposed parry god couldn't match up to Nioh 3 even though it's supposed to be easier.
>>741390404it was better than nioh so that isn't saying much
>>741390748lollmao even
>>741390748
2fags are the dark arisen fags of nioh
>>741378319No, they are just missing a bunch of old sets and the new ones are all boring samurai outfits. Actually, they de-censored one of the old outfits, the Shinobi outfit, by adding breast physics to it when it didn't have them in 2.
>>741390501>dogshit about horse shitAnon please horse shit is much better than dogshit
>>741361145nope sounds neat
2 = 3 > SoP > 1 > ROTR > Wo long
>>741378319only hot nioh 3 armor from what I remember is the starter ninja one since it comes with shiny hot pants
I wish wo long was good, I remember thinking it would ditch the rpgslop when details were first given out
>>741390853>>741391057My biggest issue with Team Ninja games since 2 has always been how dog shit the actual armour selection is for how good the character creator is.
>>741371409I don't mind human bosses having hyperarmor, in fact I think it makes them better
>>741390501B-b-b-based.
>>741391157The armor in Rise of the Ronin was one of it's strongest points.
>>741391120Yeah it would have been better if it removed the RPG shit or if it went further with it, the half assed middle ground was just the worst of both worlds.
>>741391284Which makes me more mad at how much of a downgrade Nioh 3 is in both it's character creator and armour selection.
>>741391189>game all about combos and crazy moves>”hmmm how would you like to…not do any of that?”yeah, it makes them better!
>>741391284The custom outfit system in Ronin made me realise what I wish Team Ninja would stop doing: refine and perfect a feature for one of their action games and then never use it again in the next one.>Jack's game has amazing class system and unbelievable build variety>Never used again>Wo Long has really improved and well functioning CPU companion system to the point where you don't feel like playing the whole game solo>Never used again>Ronin has maybe the best outfit customization system ever seen in a game>Never used againThey do take and carry forward some things they learn, but so often they leave behind great features.
>>741391284>>741391547I've not actually played Ronin, what made it's armor customization good?
>>741391638you can layer clothes like a longcoat over a kimono and you can tweak details of most tops
>>741391638You can take individual pieces from armor items and mix/match them with others. Like taking the shirt from one set, or just the jacket from another set, or just the neck tie, and basically getting really detailed options instead of just "head/torso/legs".It's an amazing fashion game and in particular I love the westaboo fashion only made possible by that specific era, i.e. western clothing brought over and mixed into Japanese styles.
>>741391806>>741391846Yeah that sounds cool. Would have been a nice feature to carry over into Nioh 3. I can only asume the reason they don't carry over the different features that >>741391547 mentions is probably to maintain each game having a unique identity.
>>741391806>>741391846Yea it was cool. My character went from a rural bumpkin samurai to a refined killer for hire.
all this talk of rotr's fashion reminds me when nioh 3 launched some retard insisted that 3 had better transmog and that rotr was boring and mostly color swaps lol
>>741392465Nioh 3 might legit be the worst game TN have done yet when it comes to armour and armour customization. Outside of what >>741390853 said the armour in 3 sucks fucking dick. I really hope the DLC adds a fuck ton more varied sets that aren't just 20 different samurai armours.
>>741392465kek I remember that too, don't know how nioh 3 gathered some serious fanboys>>741392581at least they let you transmog ninja and samurai armor together after a patch
100% nioh 3 a month or so ago.Played 1 on release. Just picked up Nioh 2 a week ago based on /v/ suggestions.Personally finding nioh 3 in the ninja form the funnest the games been at. But the level design and fighting complexity of 2 edges it as the better game. There's going to be a few bullshit encounters, a lot of scary monster in the closet esque encounters. That being said, tons of /v/iggers made 2 out to be so difficult and if you don't like it you suck and got filtered!Maybe it's because I played it last but it's the game I died the least in, by far. Maybe 15 deaths. I'm at the last act of the game now
>>7413192971 is the best one. Good balance of atmosphere and action, neat levels and pacing, and a couple of solid characters.2 ruined most of these things.
i made a new hiddy :3
All 3 of them are excellent, some of you autists get too picky sometimes.
>>741393792>autists are autisticwaow
3 is a disaster.
>>741393709>blonde, white womanbro just use the maria skin at that point
>>741393709i will never forgive TN for murdering one of the best char creatorsliterally everything is worse in wolong/rotr/nioh 3
>>741393926I seriously have no idea why the character creator peaked in 2 and then just gets worse and worse every new game they make.
>>741355449I don't know where you can get such a shit take.
>>741393926whats wrong with nioh 3 and rotr's character creators? i remember liking the new hairstyles and underwear in nioh 3's demo.
>>741393926I didn't like it much in Wo Long but I think either they made it better or I got better at using it. Nioh 2's cc is so great because it's extremely easy to make something that looks good. But in 3 I also managed to make something I like, just with a lot more effort.
>>741394441It just gets harder to make shit that looks good where as in Nioh 2 you could slap anything together and come out with a good looking character.
I honestly don't understand what the newer games are supposedly doing visually that justifies them being so much more demanding. 2 looks just fine, should have stayed in that level of graphical fidelity.
