Young people cannot get into Final Fantasy. Many people have tried FFXVI and FFVIIR as their first games and dropped them. Why can't FF connect with young people?
stop posting screenshots from other websites because you are afraid of confrontation and don’t want to say something to that person yourself
>>741325052Why didn't you include this normalfag faggots top 25?
>>741325389Only 8 of those are good. Grim...
>>741325052I'm 42 and I hate FF. I remember it back in the 90s and didn't enjoy it then either, same reason I won't play that expedition 33.Turn based games are for faggots.
>>741325052i started with 7 Remake Integrade, played the OG and thought the remake was betterand before you start the denial, i love retro games and turn based combat
>>741325389the most Western codded kid ever
>>741325792if everything said here is true, it is imperative that you leave this board forever and never return
>>741325736Expedition 33 mogs FFIf E33 is the only turn-based you ever play you'll miss out on nothing
>>741325052>Why can't FF connect with young people?Square-Enix have never made a good game. Everything they've ever done has been built on the strong foundations of SquareSoft. It's the only reason they've lasted as long as they have.
I've never played a final fantasy game, resident evil is a series I have played however and it's such a fucking mess, had I not played the early resident evil games and had I not had two decades of knowledge I probably would've never touched the series, it's just gotten so messy with all the sequels and remakes and whatnot, someone on the outside who doesn't have a clue of what's going on will have to look up guides and stuff just to get orientated which in itself kinda ruins the experience
Trash game will forever stay trash
>>741325052Echoes of the Fallen DLC was peak, 10/10.Rising Tide DLC was okay, 8/10.Main game was shit from an ass, 5/10.Overall I give XVI a 6/10
>>741325874>t.
>>741325052FF7R is pretty good but the plot is retarded and the game itself is actually a sequel to the original FF7 and requires some knowledge of the original game to "get" what this entry is doing.That's what makes FF7R generally retarded it SHOULDVE been just a regular remake to get the younger generation on board with the FF franchise but the FF7R is actually made more for older fans who already played the original FF13 is shitFF15 is shitFF16 is barely FF The only actual modern real FF entry is fucking 14 and thats an MMO that people arent going to want to sink 1000 hours into
turd based suicide
>>741325916I feel like resident evil is not a franchise that should be a franchise releasing games yearly or something. The games are very convencional, samey graphics, same story, enemies, etc.Like, im surprised people have endured them for so long. I remember playing RE7 not long ago, liked it, completely avoided RE8, played REmake 4 but i havent played requiem or not even close to interested to Veronica. I feel like i needa couple of years to miss resident evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpEd2yK8KzQ
>>741326097it was 3 years between re4 and requiem
>>741325052>Young people cannot get into Final Fantasy.Good. I'm not selling games so this is a net positive for me, especially with XIV being the sissy ghetto for the few that do try to get into it
Because it's made for the FF fanbase. Not for a young fanbase. And FF has not tried to connect with the young fanbase in a while. Worse, japan has an bad population crash and flight of young people going on also, the vaxxx injured sterile people. So I think the problem lies there.
Maybe the reason is that now people like videogames like Fortnite or Minecraft, without a long story and purely online.
FF7 is the only FF game I've played to completion. It was alright. I played like 99% of XII but the boss rush/tower at the end made me lose interest. I've got IX sitting on my backlog.Should I replay XII and actually finish it this time? Its been years so I don't remember much of it. Or should I go for IX?
for a ""horrible"" remake v sure loves to spam about it in the catalog every weekinb4 what's a valid criticism of ff7r
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>>741326325>Or should I go for IX?maybe play 12 lil bro...
>>741326325Ill be honest, you didnt miss much, theres no real climx at the end.However, i do believe the zodiac edition of FFXII gameplaywise is pretty decent, so at most it works.Just play 6, 9 or 10, they are decent entry levels FFs. If you couldnt get into those, i doubt the franchise will do it for you
>>741326394>However, i do believe the zodiac edition of FFXII gameplaywise is pretty decent, so at most it works.kys. tza completely ruins the balance in every aspect of the game. play the original or you didn't beat it
>>741326459I played the original, the board was overwhelming and aimless, i prefer teh more streamlined zodiac edition
>>741326325For me XII is the best, but it's only 8/10 for me.If you got bored the first time chances are you will get bored the second time.I tried IX but got completely bored by the time I got to the ice cave.Overall I think FF is just impossible to play now. All the remakes have a fast-forward hotkeyed onto the controller so they're basically unavoidable. It's like the publisher is saying "yeah the gameplay is boring as shit, sorry about that, go ahead and fast forward through it. Also if you want cheats they're a few clicks away too."
>>741325052>didn't waste 10 hours on it like 7 remake7r was actually pretty shit for most of the game but the last 1/4 of it was actually great all of a suddenhaven't played rebirth yet though
>>741325052That guy has a Heart of Stone
>>741326561>It's like the publisher is saying "yeah the gameplay is boring as shit, sorry about that, go ahead and fast forward through it.they just know zoomer attention spans could never
>>741325052FF is quite dull compared to most JRPG worlds
>>741326681Yeah but they shot themselves in the foot, it won them zero zoomer customers, and it just makes the OG fans uncomfortable
>>741325389I liked some of these games. I wont tell you which ones though.
>>741325389Oh good lord. Imagine having Resident Evil Requiem even in your top 100 games. I love Resident Evil and have been playing it since the first game on PS1 but Requiem is not that good. Its a very ok or fine game.
>>741326748correct. they're a retarded company that's been trying to kill itself since the dawn of the millennium. the most merciful thing we can do is just let it die
Roblox
>>74132505216 might be one of the single most boring games I've ever played. I wish I had enough sense as this guy to drop it. I trudged through to the ending and it wasn't worth it. The third fucking time Jill got kidnapped was enough to make me put the game down for a month.
FF16 is a truly bad game. I regret buying it just because the demo was decent. It really peaks there. I can see why zoomers can't get into the series when all of the entries over the past 20+ years have been different degrees of shit.
>>741326765ok fine, it's elden ring, nier automata, and mgs. also I'm trans btw. if that even, like, matters or whatever...
>>741325389His top 25 are the most shilled games in recent memory.
it's kinda cringe when it isn't cute little sprites or basic PS1 models moving around
>>741325736I can't imagine hitting 42 years of age and A: Holding such a terrible opinion.B: Expressing said opinion like an absolute troglodyte.It may be too late for your hair, but there's still time to correct your abhorrent taste.If not FF, I suggest you sit down with some DQ (4,8,11 are all good entry points), or maybe a Persona game if you're currently undergoing a mid-life crisis.
>>741325389These are the only ones I thought were good from this picture. I'm in my mid 30s btw dunno if that matters.
>>741327245>anyone with a different opinion to me is wrong
>>741327245Not that anon but a lot of my friends all hate JRPGs for some reason. These are not even like turbo normies or anything as they play stuff like rts games among other hardcore gamer stuff. None of my friends have played an FF game at all and when they watched me play FF7 Remake they made fun of me at the dancing club part and said I was a faggot.
>>741327383His opinion is wrong because it is built on ignorance and entrenched in misplaced pride.>>741327395Your friends are simply lesser men.
>>741325052>zoomers started with FF games that don't play anything like old FF games>they can't get into themFucking mystery
>>741325052XVI has plenty of positive reception, it’s just a very dividing game among people who believe FF should only be one way or no way.
I liked Final Fantasy 13. I thought it was better than 12 which was the first final fantasy I didn't like.
>>741327265Fuck you.
>>741325389Only games that are good to decent:>Elden Ring (even then it's the weakest Soulsborne game)>Batman Arkham City (it's more decent than fantastic)>MGS1 (mediocre)>Nier AutomataThe rest are absolute dogshit.
>FF16 pivoted to DMC combat to attract zoomers>zoomers don't even have the patience to play thatIt pains me that a game as great as FF16 is still struggling to find an audience. It flopped on 3 separate platforms ffs.
>>741325389I refuse to believe any modern normalfags played MGS1. Shit is too 'clunky' by modern standards.
>>741327265>expedition 33>de4makekys
Maybe if se didn't take a million years
>>741327615>It flopped on 3 separate platforms ffs.They had an opportunity to address the main critiques of it between the time of its PS5 release and its (late) ports, but they did nothing with it. This is all on S-E.
>>741327609>Soulsbornelet. bloodborne. go. it is a souls game. they are called souls likes. there is no borne. jason bourne.
>>741325389holy sloppacrazy that people like this exist, just mindlessly sucking down what the jews offer them
>>741327615i played the demo, and the story wasn't grabbing me
I like Final Fantasy and have played most of them and even I just watched FF16 on youtube instead of playing it.
>>741325389Jesus fucking Christ.
>>741325923This. Genuinely one of the worst games I’ve played. Only ff15 was worse(played at launch and that Deff made it so much worse). DD2 at launch comes close. I should’ve known dawntrail was going to be shit too
>>741325389Based normalfag making retards seethe.
>>741328232You must not play very many actually bad games, then.
>>741327848The Eikon fight didn't grab you? How?
>>741327245JRPGfags get very defensive when people dont like their games lmao.
>>741325052Barry Unfathomably Won
>>741328415NTA, but the Eikon fight was completely detached from anything else gameplay-wise, and it was just an on-rails shooter that also for some reason stressed the fuck out of my GPU.
>>741325052Cause no-one wants to play ff games with realistic looking characters.
>>741328507It was the abundance of particle effects that stressed our gpus, but it was absolutely worth it.
>>741325052Still so fucking funny Squeenix pozzed 16.
>>741328562sakaguchi???
>>741325052>Many people have tried FFXVI and FFVIIR as their first games and dropped them. Why can't FF connect with young people?If FF16 and FF7R was what we had back in the day, it wouldn't have connected with us older people either. They're inferior games to the FF games of 20 years ago.And in the past we got like a mainline FF game every year or two, with spinoffs ontop of that.
>>741325916You dont need a guide to understand how Resident Evil remakes and sequels work, subhuman retard.
>>741328562this is not true foids love the realistic jpop looking twinks or roided brads that they lust overand i'd self insert as sephiroth if he wasnt so domme fag with Cloud. I dont get why he doesnt just kill him when he clearly can and they rapes Aerith and gives her stockolm syndrome.
I played FF6 at a very young age on emulator, I still don't understand 7, and especially 8, so I feel like the later games are not FF.That's why I don't buy their games. The most popular one seems to be an MMO, despite FF being a story focused rpg I would play once then forget. I think an anime adaptation of any of the earlier Final Fantasy games would help promote the game, similar to Pokemon, YuGiOh.
>>741328714FF5 is the best one, the ATB is annoying but on emulators you got speedup by holding space bar anyway. the job class system is fun as fuck.
>Young people cannot get into Final Fantasy.< 25 yrs are engaging less with video games as a whole than any other age group. Teenagers are the smallest. They just scroll doomslop now or play the Fortnite of the quarter and log maybe an hour a week if that.t. i work in video game consumer analytics
>>741327245>persoyna shitlol
>>741328802post the analytics just censor the name of ur company
>>741328841why did the MC get 4 turns? thats fucked up
>>741328923He's just that good.
>>741328872 i get paid too well and do too little to even risk it.
>>741325052>young people try and get into final fantasy>they don't start at the point where old people got into final fantasyWhere is the logic here?No one tries to get into star wars or lotr by watching the newest shit that everyone knows sucks. Why would anyone not start with what made it great in the first place?
>>741328415>dude, you are le prince, and your brother has special power. Your childhood sweetheart is very le chaste and daintyIt all just seems very stock. There was no extra juice to pull me in.FF7 in comparison opens with a bunch of eco-terrorists going to blow up a reactor. You're immediately like "okay, I want to see where this is going".
Here is the last TWENTY FIVE years of mainline Final Fantasy:>11, MMO, was popular for a couple of years until WoW revolutionized the genre>12, combat that plays itself and requires no thought for 95% of encounters, plot is Star Wars if the characters had no personality, still the best single player game on this list>13, was considered to be definitive proof that JRPGs were no longer a relevant genre when it came out thanks to the linear, intractable story and worst-of-both-worlds battle system>14, another MMO, was so terrible it had to be remade after it came out, is still by far the biggest success on this list>15, supposed to be a spinoff but Squeenix upgraded it to recoup the massive amount of time and money Nomura wasted, has a bog-standard plot and plays itself so long as you mash X (characters are by far the most popular on this list though so grats I guess)>7R, not actually what it's advertised to be and completely incomprehensible if you didn't play the original to completion (best combat on this list though)>16, shitty GoT ripoff plot that veers back into stock FF at its most generic for the final act, combat is dark souls without any complexityThis is an abysmal track record. It's very hard to tell "young" people that they need to go back and play games that came out when their parents were still underage if they want to enjoy the series.
>>741325685none of those are remotely good.
>>741329196>7R (best combat on this list though)kys. it has 0 redeeming qualities
>>741329312I didn't say it was good, just that it was the best on the list
>>74132933512 is the best on this list. by far. you have the wrong opinions and should feel shame
>>741325052>plays forgotten dmc rip off from the zombie era>"le sigh guess I'll never get into ff"
>>741328923You get an extra turn for SE moves. If you stagger every enemy you get a nuke attack that usually wins the fight. Persona is not loved for its difficulty or strategy. Though there are higher difficulty options.
>>741325052>old Final Fantasy>turn based with party and classes>nu-Final Fantasy>action combat slop with no classes no party except FF7
>>741329312Get Canadian healthcare.Remake literally has the best combat of any rpg and its not even close.
>>741329284Name your 5 favorite games
I can confirm this >>741328802My nephews are 12 and all that I have seen them play is Cash Royale in the tablet or smartphone. They have a PlayStation 5 and Nintendo Switch but they barely use them. It's the shorter attention span, right?
>>741328801I played 4 and 5, Chrono Trigger and some other JRPGs.I prefer Lunar desu
>>741329468>Remake literally has the best combat of any rpg and its not even close.never post here or play video games again
>>741329547Name one series that does it better.
>>74132937412's combat is only good when you have to think about how to set up your gambits beyond (If [Health Low]->Potion/Heal, If [Status Ailment]->Remedy), which happens maybe half a dozen times throughout the entire 40 hour slog not counting optional content. Otherwise it's just moving around and waiting for the slow combat to finish itself up. Or if you're playing Zodiac you can speed it up but then combat will be so frictionless that you'll end up doing it too much and outlevelling four of the aforementioned half-dozen encounters.
>>741329576ok. Final Fantasy. In ever single video game besides the faggot remakes
>>741325052I mean have you tried 16? That shit blatantly feels like it was made by Jap boomers whose idea of "cool" was 80s anime instead of shit like JJK and Demon Slayer. Like the whole accept the truth thing and fighting your inner demon was hilariously old fashioned. No shit zoomers don't jive with it.
>>741329624have you ever played the game? most bosses require some change to your gambits
>>741329196>combat is dark souls without any complexity>Getting real boss baby vibes from this one
>>741329156You're underselling the premise. FF16 is a political kaiju soap opera. It's a pioneer in its own genre.
>>741329419what a retarded ruleset imagine if pokemon was like that.
>>741329576Kingdom Hearts 2 FM has better combat
>>741329646Fuck you. Turn based is utterly boring. Get out of here unc.
>>741329745okay, but this is what I took from the demo, and the demo was supposed to sell me on the game. Maybe I'll play it some day. I just don't feel compelled. I didn't think any part of it was bad, and it was kind of fun just to button mash and kill things, but then again, I could play one of about 50 different Soulslikes that I still need to play.
>>741329745>You're underselling the premise. FF16 is a political kaiju soap opera. It's a pioneer in its own genre.i get what you mean but I know this is a shitpost, you aint serious. It technically has everything you mention but it aint good man. The writing is just bad.
>>741329817>Turn based is utterly boring.>the only FF games I like are nu-final fantasy games!!!! >:(kys
>>741329817>Turn based is utterly boring.>Expedition 33 wins all the awards for game of the year
>>741329864I like all FF games. I just play it mostly for the story and find action combat more engaging.
>>741329931what does exp33 have to do? that shit is not turn based.
>>741325052Young people should either play FFIV~X or skip the series.>XIIshitty cast and RNG drops>XIIIcutscene>corridor with combat>cutscene>corridor with combat, repeat ad nauseaum>XIVBest of the list but a GaaS>XVWatch OVAS, movies, play DLCs, read a book and then you'll get all the material of a shit story in a mediocte open world game (bros were cool, tho)>XVInot even a RPG>Remake seriesstretching a 40hrs game to have 3 parts and 200hrs of minigames and Ubi fetch quests surely is a good idea
>>741329949It says turn-based on the box.
>>741329931low key a rhythm game
>>741329817>Turn based is utterly boring.>mogs the narrative that normies hate turn base in ur path
>>741329976>RNG dropswho gives a fuck?>shitty castthere are issues with the focus of the cast, but this is retarded. the characters themselves are great
>>741329949
>>741330079Ashe is the star (read: only character with plot significance), but overall she's a pretty bland characterPenelo is a nothing characterVaan is a nothing characterFran is a nothing characterBasch should be something but doesn't actually do anythingBalthier is the only character with a personality but he too doesn't actually get to do anything
>>741330079>the characters themselves are greatNever were, cope. Worst selling mainline FF after X along XVI for a reason.
>>741326325XII is one of the weakest FFs.Start with the greeks, then FFI through FFVI.
>>74132997613 is great if you are a pianist or a composer the ost alone is a masterpiece btw Hamauzu's band is fucking amazing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edhpdsnFE64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM2UAUX17o8
>>741329745FFVII did better 30 years ago.
>>741330243based i r8 them differently but kinda similarhttps://youtu.be/Pw4LPSEOMoA?si=5eTvhxYhx-Yi06ZQ&t=2013
>>741330243you wouldn't be able to handle the truth
>>741330079>the characters themselves are greatYou're retarded Vann himself is considered on of the biggest meme FF characters in the series nobody likes him.Basch could have been cool if he was the MC. Balthier is the only one with an actual character attached to him
>>741325052Its been impossible to get into for 20 years at this point. I tried getting into it back in the 360 era with ff13, it was shit. I tried again with all the DS remakes, they were shit. I tried again when they re-released FF12, it was shit. Then i tried waiting for them to finish FF15 but it seems they abandoned it so i skipped it, FF16 looked so boring i couldnt make it through a single trailer. Maybe its my fault for skipping FF7 and FFX which are the games people actually like but the only FF game ive ever had fun with was bravely default and its not even a real FF game.
>>741330356>nobody likes him.that doesn't make him bad. for example, ffviii is universally agreed upon to be bad, but it's the greatest FF game by far.
i regret my placing of FF13 I replayed them and they are a bit challenging due to Berthandolous whatever the fuck he is called. He filters you hard af if you didnt upgrade your crystalium or weapons. But I'm a musical gamer so when the OST is good it can really carry a game even if the game is kinda mid. That being said the gameplay of FF13 has more "depth" than people initially think. It's still very active and sometimes stalling a bit and using your summons at the end comes in clutch in bossfights (which have "time limits" it auto dooms your party after a certain time has passed like +30 min of boss fight) Summoning resets the timer.
>>741330356Why does Vaan have to be the main protagonist?Why can't you just enjoy him being more in the background?
>>741330243Rebirth is a C, Remake and XVI are a D, SoP is F, III and XII are a B.I don't hate this list, tho.
>>741330243
>>741330442FFVIII is divisive at best, but Squall is very popular.
>>741330356Despite being entirely irrelevant throughout the plot I find myself liking Vaan more than any of the other party members besides Balthier. He reminds me of Bartz or Zidane
>>741330474because the devs thought young people would be able to relate to the young poorfag nobody ass Rabanastrian than Basch the Chad Militant from Dalmasca with the political intrigue story about his brother that speaks in Shakespearean ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLpAripIK_Ywww.youtube.com/watch?v=kUi64CKaUW8
>>741330356>Vann himself is considered on of the biggest meme FF characters in the series nobody likes him.no. the big criticism is that he isn't vital to the plot of the game. the character himself, no one has ever had an issue with. you're just a retarded zoomer who downloaded your opinions from youtubers that then established a consensus, and failed to understand what the initial criticism even was. a retard in other words
>>741330589>Projecting this hardI was there zoomie. Nobody liked him because he basically had no role in the game despite being the MC
If normies still can't get into FF after XVI was dumbed down DMC combat trash with zero RPG elements. Maybe it's time to think normies will never get into FF and stop catering to them.
>>741330589Also his stupid design.
>>741330589that's exactly what I said in my post. thank you for confirming you are retarded
>>741330668>So mad he couldn't even quote Seething little zoomie
>>741330589Nobody liked Vaan to be fair. He looked like a gay Aladin.
>>741325052because it's bad? what kind of question is thisjust play 7 through 10 instead and no remake or remaster slop
>>741330702I don't quote the retarded
>>741330656THIS
>>741330442>ffviii is universally agreed upon to be bad>but it's the greatest FF game by far.I h8 this meme
>>741325052Why would ppl keep playing smth that feels like it was dropped by the dev?
>>741330907it isn't a meme, it is reality. anyone who doesn't recognize this has terrible taste. it's unfortunate just how many people have terrible taste, but it is true.
>>741326325IX is a bit slow.
>>741325052>nu Final Fantasy is pure garbage >people don't like itIncomprehensible mystery.
>analyticsThis shit is so normgroid. It's always FF=ALL RPG and in any case it's never classic FF1-6. The analytics then complain that what people play, they don't count as games because it's on the Epic Store or whatever, but the alternative is just their TloU moviegame. honestly. It's normalslop too. tldr; only classic ff is timeless
>>741325389That's mostly good.
Is XVI that bad? I'm not sure if I want to play this or Stranger of Paradise this weekend.
>>741325151Maybe I don't want to go through the hassle of creating a Xitter account.
>>741331203its not thaaat bad but its slow, has a lot of cutscenes and its kinda boring even for a devil may cry game. its problem is that its not final fantasy and its a mid devil may cry game interrupted by a lot game of thrones esque movie slop.play it but Jacks game is way better. Just sayin.
>>741325052I'm a young person and I liked and beat 3 through 10. I think the problem has less to do with young people and more to do with the fact that they haven't made a truly great FF since 10.
>>741331110kill yourself
>>741330656How about you hire a good writer for once?
>>741331203just play DMC if you want action, actual FF games if you want FF
>>741331325>physical>Japan>PS5RUMAO
>>741331354Jack's game has the FF job class system, its kinda fun to fuck around with it.
>>741331354DMC also has a cool creative vision even if it doesn't always stick the landing. DMC plot was retarded but the combat was great and the theme songs were GOAT.
>>741331329Doesn't matter what the story is if normies are going to drop it after an hour for it being a RPG.
Final Fantasy is too popular for its own good, just like Marvel and Star Wars. You need creative people with unique ideas to handle these franchises, but no established talent will want to get involved due to restrictions to creative freedom, and any small to medium creator would be crushed by the big time producers. So they are stuck with hackfrauds with a semi established track record.
>>741331203I thought it was horrifically boring, shallow slop, but for only twenty bucks it might be worth a shot anyway. You might be one of the people impressed by the endless flashing lights and actual great voice acting,
>>741331440so what, we dont need the normies. The normies are going to play Call of Duty. I dont care.FF under it's "Niche" used to sell a lot.
>>741331440Why do people stick with BG3, E33, Genshin Impact and Persona 5?
>>741325389Holy shit an actual golem
>>741331203Temu DMC with Temu GoT writing.
>>741325052>i played this game that's nothing like the rest of the series and didn't like it, i guess the series isnt for me...
>>741331613They had good gameplay. All of the games stories you listed was shit. >BG3Fell apart after Act 1>E33Fell apart halfway>Genshin ImpactLmao imagine thinking Genshit has a good story, people played it because of gachashit>Persona 5Imagine thinking Persona 5 has a good story.
>>741327395>they watched me play FF7 Remake they made fun of mebased
>>741325052Without the PS1 + PS2 nostalgia attached i realized i didn't actually like JRPGs because i never played a single one past 6th gen.I played some of the obligatory SNES stuff and even most of it there was a tough sell outside of Chrono Trigger.
>>741327395>and when they watched me play FF7 Remake they made fun of me at the dancing club part and said I was a faggot.you have good friends anon. they care about you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLdm9IxPIBM
>>741331775Yet people stick to all these games and play them for dozens, or even hundreds, of hours. Those four games have certain elements in common that hook people away in the first hours. Also, let's add a two more games: Elden Ring and Nier: Automata.
>>741331589The unspoken issue is that the demographic niche of JRPG fans were completely captured relatively very early on in gaming's history and has failed to expand enough to justify what is expected from a mainline FF game.FFX hit 10 Million in one generation during the 6th gen and that's still basically the very high end of what you can expect from the genre decades later, which is not conducive to big companies like Square especially in the face of Gun & Ball games.
>>741331775>Imagine thinking Persona 5 has a good story.The 1st bit of the sports teacher raping that girl that commits suicide is kinda good
>>741332032>Elden RingNever once saw anyone ever care about it's story>NierSame for Nier desu people really only got into it for 2B and butt memes but then dropped it once they don't play as 2B.
>>741332102>Never once saw anyone ever care about it's storythey clearly never shut the fuck up about the lore
>>741332102You have crippling autism.
>>741332102oh people care about the story, there just isn't one
>>74133158990% of CoD players never touch the single player.
>>741332102>>741331775
>>741325052I was thinking about trying X. I’m 30.
>>741332313Kill yourself.
>>741331775>They had good gameplay.>genshit>peryoyna 5>excrement 33lol
>>741325052>What if we made all our characters look really good but say the most cringe shit possibleWhoever writes dialogue needs to be fired
>>741332359I'm 28 and I say this about X a lot.
>>741332102The secret is that people like having the idea of a story alongside interesting characters and locations more than engaging with a story proper..In terms of "Story" what people actually prioritize isCharacter Designs & Concept > Setting Style > Character Depth > Conceptual Plot > Prose > Lore > Actual Plot Construction
>>74133023613, on top of all its other faults, has one of the most mediocre soundtracks in the franchise.
>>741332804The modern Final Fantasy games are notorious for having lame characters and unreadable settings. Last interesting-looking one was FFVIII Versus and that got lobotomized into FXV.
>>741332806The fight theme is great tho.
>>741333025Remake cast is still solid and improved from the original.
>>741325052Because they have done a lousy job preserving their classics. Pixel Remasters art style changes the original tone too much while looking like a mobile game. Every single modern port is junk too that's gimped in some way or another even if they have QoL features. Most of gen alpha won't bother emulating the original versions so this series will be lost to time once millennials kick the bucket.
>>741333310>Barret is Mr. T>improvedkys
>>741332806terrible taste lolI guess you dont like classically trained piano masters in debussy and chopin but i doHamauzu is master class and has a bunch of students under his patronage and his daughters are becoming great composers toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDHGd4xE_D4
>FF fanatics fighting tooth and nail not to admit this is cringe as fuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzzrODAoDb4The series was charming and cute in the SNES and PS1 eras, and gradually it became garish and cringe. That's the problem. Why would a new player ever want to play that?
>>741333605kys sebby
>>741333637the anime antics don't work when everyone looks like a real ass human. You just wonder why they're all retarded.
>>741326097>I feel like resident evil is not a franchise that should be a franchise releasing games yearly or something.The majority of people who consider themselves old RE fans actually think the opposite. Resident Evil very much used to be a game a year series and the pace of releases massively slowed down leading up to and following the release of RE4.
The state of Final Fantasy is so fucking grim. Once, every release sold out in minutes. Now they're releasing games that I forgot came out a week later. Nobody has anything to say about Clive Barker or his summons or whatever the fuck. This game became entombed in obscurity the second it was announced. Nobody cares. GRIM.
>>741332806www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdpHKTFXxAE
Final Fantasy captures the aryan sovl (but its Japanese because the Japanese understand art better than the white man at this point)it's a rich people's civilization builder race game seriesAnd you cannot play any of this because it's legit hard as fuck:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9En5BJq_ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqd6E-gX2J0
>>741333786Name one series that does it better.
>>741333684>Seeing funny scene>Immediately thinking of animeYour problem
>>741334109>weird ass japanese writing where people don't behave like humansyeah, anime
>>741325052Personally, I think it has less to do with age demographics as much as status.My case is kind of weird because I'm a Zoomer who grew up with retro games and I like Final Fantasy so I'll at least check out what comes out under that name but I can't say the same for everyone else. As a kid, people always talked about Final Fantasy I-X but even as they were coming out I don't remember hearing fucking anything about FF12-15. That's my entire lifetime where Final Fantasy was underperforming, you can't bank on a franchise's name pulling numbers when it hasn't meant anything in 25+ years. If we still got yearly/bi-yearly heaters like FF used to pull in the 90s, people would check them out based on the frequency of good games under that name comes out. Most people don't care about MMOs, no one talks about FF12 unless they're hardcore FF fans, nobody earnestly cares about the 13 trilogy or whatever the fuck was going on with FF15. People who buy Final Fantasy games do so because they're a fan of the franchise in its totality, and every release that group of people gets smaller and smaller. My advice, Square needs to stop taking 45 years to release weird hybrid action RPGs and focus on making good proper RPGs with a worthwhile battle system. RPGs can sell, but they need to actually be good, a casual JRPG fan might check out FF7R because everyone loves FF7, but you're not gonna do gangbusters on Final Fantasy 7: Remake 3 Game of The Year Nintendo Switch 2 Edition Turbo Hyper Fighting. It's just too much.
Do I like mash basic attacks with all characters until they get full atb?
>>741325052>young peopleThey had a chance with FFXV but blew that up.16 is just a shit game7R has nonsensical story and take too long to finish.
>>741333605https://youtu.be/STYPVr8IQj4?t=1059this on the other hand: it's cute, it's charming. It just works.There's a huge presentation problem going on with the modern games, that no one wants to address. They are embarrassing.
So...how does Square Enix go about reigniting the FF series while still maintaining the Final Fantasy DNA? Clearly their current strategy isn't working which is why they seem so desperate as of late. I can't think of anything besides "go back to turn based" which personally I don't think will do anything. They also broke out two of their last resorts (FF7 remake and going back to Nintendo systems) and those aren't really doing anything either.
>>741334035I cannot, but I know enough to know that it’s easy if you know your scales
>>741327609>Nier automata>GoodGet your hand off your dick it's one of the worst games ever made
>>741334783make one that looks like Wind Waker or Chulip.
>>741334736So you just want the original game with updated assets? Go play Ever Crisis.>>741334783If new IP can suddenly get millions of sales, it's not to hard for old IP to make a good game and rebounce. It has been done multiple times.
>>741335004No, man. I want them to make new games, with new stories, that are cute and appealing instead of being cringe.They also need to get off FF7's ass in general.
>>741334845you are fucking crazy. I study piano theory and i still cannot play that shit I'm intermediate level. This is advanced. The staccato speed itself is hard. Hamauzu is seriously fucking good at piano like retardedly good. You can tell he been grinding in the Music Conservatory of Germany since he was a child even. Dudes at his skill level have to live, breathe and be molded by music.
>>741334783>So...how does Square Enix go about reigniting the FF series learn from Expedition 33 and the other RPGs that succeeded recently
>>741325389It started good than it went to shit after Arkham
>>741335142There’s a certain point, like upper undergrad level, where speed is basically unlimited as long as you aren’t shifting around too much. He is good though
>>741330236>>741333576>>741333795>>741334035BASED XIII CHAD
>>741330907oh hey another thing E33 ripped off
>>741333025FF XIII Versus looked like complete and utter shit. I'm sorry.It looked like a shitty cinematic Kingdom Hearts rip off.
>>741325052it's not just young people. modern FF games are fucking trash.
>>741335251metaflop got its royal edition cancelled
>>741327794fuck off back you your containment shithole retard
>>741325923>copying the westit synergizes western elements with blatantly obvious japanese pomp and flair, but skin-deep retards see M-rated fantasy and go "it's just game of thrones and nothing else"
Square Enix works are too iterative on preexisting design norms that prior generations would be used to, that it alienates newer generations. The whole point of JRPGs is build-up. That's contrary to the instant gratification that modern games are built on.
>>741326097resident evil can keep pumping out the slop idc, there have always been hits and misses capcom is big nuff
>>741329745>It's a pioneer in its own genre.I agree, and I think this a big part of why FF16 didn't do so well. We live in a time where every game is trying to be a roguelike or soulslike or Overwatchlike. A lot of the criticisms of FF16 that I've seen boiled down to it not being what people wanted it to be--it wasn't hard like a typical hack and slash, it didn't have turn-based combat like a typical JRPG, it wasn't rated T with over-the-top anime acting like a typical Final Fantasy, and it didn't emphasize exploration much despite having large open areas. Despite it being so accessible, I think a lot of people just didn't get it.
>>741335995It's kind of weird. Metaphor is a really good game with an interesting world.I guess having a single main heroine instead of a dating sim isn't working as well.
>>741329196>combat is dark souls without any complexityyou are a nigger that doesn't know anything
>young peopleold people toobest friend who beat 1-9 in a week back in elementary school says he can't get into the newer FF games cause they play and look like shit
>>741325052the 4chin jannies should implement an html filter that auto-censors twitter handles/names/icons so they can't shill their garbage engagement bait accounts desu
>>741325389This guy Is the physical representation of summer games fest lmao
>>74133360516 tried to dial it back down and got shat on by autistic weeaboos
>>741336627>Metaflop is a really good game with an interesting world.that's why nobody talks about it anymore
>Why can't FF connect with young people?the last middling game cane out 25 years ago. the remaster of it is an abortion. young people can go play the half dozen ones that don't suck and forget about FF safely.
>purges evil spirits from this threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQZHperCnA
>>741335995which is weird because the game was fun the plot and the plot twist of Louis being a fake horny nigga threw me off guard. They fucked up later in the game tho they did the same shit as Final Fantasy 16>It was all just.., A FIRNAL FRANSASUUUYLike shut the fuck up I already know its a video game I know its a fictional world I know its fake. The ending of returning to the real world and becoming a citizen of Tokyo is cucked and gay. Stay in the Metaphor world and control it with your will. That world is interesting as fuck anyway with its political intrigue, culture and all that jazz.
>>741337187It might have something to do with the fact that it was released two years ago
>>741325389Looks like a list that ChatGPT would make.
How would YOU save Final Fantasy?
>>741334473I unironically am tempted to pick this up to goon to tifa and yuffie
>>741338582i made a chart explaining more or less i still have to make the video and do the RPG maker demo about how that would work. But thats a lot of work and im lazy.you can ignore the part about the movement about making more like a crpg thats not needed unless its a FF: Tactics.It can be 4 niggas in a row type game thats fine but implement the other elements and JOB CLASSES and builds. ANND online PvP would be fun to test whats optimal. if FF5 had an online battle mode people would get autistic about the job system and optimize it. Altho its fairly easy.Samurai is fucking broken, Ninja is broken, Alchemist, etc.
>>741339503Autism
>>741338582Expand on FFXIII's combat.ATB, remove the paradigm shifts. Replace with standard FF jobs.You control all party members.
>>741335995this was such a weird fucking gameLike 4 of my friends picked it up at launch and told me it was the best game ever and hyped the shit out of it. I was busy at the time so I wouldn't have even had time to play it if I got it. But after a month 3 of them completely dropped it without beating the game, and the 4th was playing like an hour a week and I don't think has beaten it even now.Like does it just fall off a fucking cliff halfway through?
>>741339563I still need to make the video. I dont think Square is gonna watch it but it could help them make a good system. They also have to get creative with how the elements work.
>>741338582Go back to what works.X had one of the best turn based battle systems ever, and they moved away from it. Either go back to that, or go harder into X-2's.And bring back the "RPG" side of the game. No more shitty character development where your leveling/stats/gear basically don't mean anything important.
>>741325052>RanvirShut it jeet
>>741339629Its persona but you play as a dreaming prince that is being groomed for political elections to get elected king. Honestly its a based plot I liked it.I ddint like that it was all a METAPHOR it was all FANTASY bro!! I know it's a fucking video game. I already know what is fiction. It destroys my immersion when the game tells me it's just a fairytale in game.
>>741325389A lot of these are gameplay heavy and that scares /v/
>>741325389All are good games, what's the problem here?
>>741329196That's why Square is trying to make the Nintendo fanbase to care about the Final Fantasy brand so desperately.
>>741325389every single one of these games shits on FF7R and FF16 though? what's the issue?
>>741326325>I've got IX sitting on my backlogHope you enjoy it, it's one of my top FFs. Just know that if you're playing the Playstation original, the load time into battles can be a drag. Also, won't spoil things, but try to watch the optional cutscenes, some of them lead to goodies.
>>741326378FF8 schizo spammer-kun, androgynous pretty boys is an FF staple and the baphomet creature is an enemy that can be killed, meanwhile FF8 lets you summon the devil (Diablos) as an ally.
>>7413250527 remake's combat is so boring i can't believe they're making a third game out of it
zoomers cant get into anything that isnt fortnite or capeshit
>>741325389>hates rpgs>reddit evil, capeshit, and sony movie gamesclockwork
people who hate jrpgs are just low iq. theres too much evidence to argue otherwise
>>741331373That just makes the numbers even more impressive.
>>741340207I like both; what now, faggot? FF is the proto-moviegame, btw.
>>741331209>I LOVE XITTER>I SPEND ALL DAY READING XITTER>LOVE ME SOME XITTER>AN ACCOUNT? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKill yourself.
>>741325052because they have no soul. TO THIS DAY they still CANNOT top Final Fantasy 9. they can modernize muh outdated turn based all the way but modernizing slop will still produce slop
>>741328802So, gaming is healing?
>>741333310ITS A REMAKE
>>741334783Split Square and Enix.
>>741329745>FF16 is a political kaiju soap opera.That's called Evangelion and Attack on Titan.
>>741340358Those numbers don't mean anything. They don't represent the average gamer.
Have they tried making a good game?
>>741341274split blacks and whites
>>741325052I'm 4 hours in and love the presentation, but I'm already seeing the problem with the combat. I feel like there's no way to really express yourself, it's very button mash-y and the regular attacks feel like they're just there to kill time before your next cooldown.
>>741325052Young people moved to Roblox and gacha
>>741325052This is a basic teenage slop formula for boys to get into it:>A story where they go to war>A girl they are going to war to save>Side characters have to die because of MC's mistakes>MC redemption>MC saves girl>MC dies in the endI'd like to see them approach a setting that's like Valkryia Chronicles, where it's loosely based on reality. I don't think they should try to get too serious, they always fuck it up. Give us a political drama with a 20th century WW1/WW2 setting with fantasy tanks and war machines with a romance.
>>741325052I don't get this obsession over FF when most jrpgs either disappeared of are losing popularity Also what kids?
>>741342382It's cope from certain fandoms refusing to accept they are uncs too
The older final fantasies were "complete" as both games and stories. You felt like you'd come a long way when the credits roll. Fulfilled. But everything after X has been such a mess in both aspects. Like there's a cool idea somewhere under the game, but you only get to see 10% of it and the rest was either cut during production, or happened to somebody else. You wade through some half-baked, tacked on systems for 20 hours and then it fizzles out in an out of nowhere final battle where the older games would only just get started. It's not fun or satisfying. How to fix it? Not my fucking problem
>>741341391All I'm saying is that those are strong numbers without a Switch version, and in Japan of all places, Nintendo's main market.
Get Sakaguchi back.
>>741325052Bullshit. FF is for autistic children, submissive manchildren and trannies. Of course they'd be into it.
>>741325052It's been years and you faggots are still seething over FFXVI? You're pathetic.
>>741325052Can't wait for resonance. Shit's gonna be so cash if they bring back global units
>>741338582Kill it.No, really, it's unsalvageable. Best thing they can do is put it out of its misery because they clearly are incapable of doing FF and have been since X. Just honor its memory and do whatever they wanna do under a different name.
>>741342382Tbf 4chan is one of the places where Final Fantasy is heavily discussed. There are a lot of FF fans here.
>>741325389Not even close to the worst twittertroon grid. See pic rel.
>>741342925People sleeping on this. Sakaguchi and Nobuo went on to make a Final Fantasy like game and it was fucking amazing.
>>741326109Why do the nips do this retarded GUH HUHHH EHHH shit
>>741332806Correct. The same goes for 12 as well
>>741343871I see no issue with this list
>>741339627>ATB, remove the paradigm shifts. Replace with standard FF jobs.>You control all party members.What aspect of XIII's combat is even left at that point? The stagger system? Because I'm sick to death of that shit
>>741343971>and it was fucking amazing.No it was not, literally only the side stories were cool.
>>741336508>We live in a time where every game is trying to be a roguelike or soulslike or Overwatchlike10 examples of JRPGs that did that? Otherwise, this is hard copium.>Despite it being so accessible, I think a lot of people just didn't get it.A game that tries to appeal to everybody appeals to no one.
>>741338582Make a game that plays similar to IV~X but in high fidelity, that's all they need.
what we need is the junction + gambit + paradigm system combined in one goall hell break loose
>>741339627So, X-2 but less flowery/gay, basically. Could work.
>>741325389Jesus Christ I'd rather he put fifa 25 times
>>741344626Better towns, combat and Job System than any game post V/Tactics, better story than any game not called FFVI/VII/Tactics/IX, cope.
>>741343871Pretty damn great, whose?
>>741325389Ah yes, the same list Grok gave me when I wanted to larp as a Gamer™
>>741325389Those sure are video games, and there are a couple of very good ones in there, I don't get it
Reading pro-turnbased FF posts here make me full of hopium that FINAL FANTASY™: RESONANCE™ will sell good because it's a "return to form"
>>741345438X is not ATB tho
>>741346246No because we mean turn based with MODERN FF graphics.
>>741346467>MODERN FF graphicsEWWWW
>>741325052>Many people have tried FFXVI and FFVIIR as their first games and dropped them. Why can't FF connect with young people?Two games? In the time between FFVIIR and now, we've gotten the FFVIIR games and FFXVI. In the past, during the same period of time, we got the original FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX, as well as games like Final Fantasy Tactics, Crystal Chronicles. Tactics Advance, Chocobo Racing. Of course young people don't gravitate towards modern Final Fantasy. They're no longer young by the point they get their next game. And the previous game has already fallen out of the zeitgeist by then.
>>741336121People with eyes see the big bad is trying to turn the world into blue and white zombies and think there are some comparisons to be drawn. My issue is that virtually none of the background politics crap mattered in the end because Clive could have showed up to any place and soloed everything. Look at XII for a game that knows how to play all the political sidestepping well as it actually informs what our party decides to do.
>>741345489FFX-2 was the best iteration of the ATB system, imo. The nature of the game however means there's virtually no balance, so you never know if you're underleveled for something or just haven't gotten the specific counter item/spell for it.
>>741331203has its moments, but the ff14 dev clearly wanted people to experience a "movie" the first playthrough since the game's hardest difficulty allowed is the easiest thing ever created. There are check points on bosses that fully refresh all your healing items and give you full HP. The game has literally 35 hours of cutscenes with writing similar to the final season of Game of Thrones.
what FF needs is to go full dungeon synth go back to the source Wizardry just your party in perilous adventures dungeon after dungeon stripped of superfluous cutscenes and other baggage
>>741325736FF hasn’t been turn based for decades grampa
I hate turn-based combat, but the problem with modern FF games is that they're not really action combat either, but this weird cinematic on-rails QTE-abomination. I don't understand why they can't just use the perfectly serviceable Kingdom Hearts combat without any outlandish innovations.
>>741347609FF has never been that
FF16 is really fucking bad, I don't blame them
>>741347609stfu and go play SMT which is wizardy with mythological figures and christian jew shit
>>741325052>>741342382>>741325736Turn based JRPGs like E33 and Persona are the only ones still selling well. Final Fantasy's core problem since 2008 is that it is embarrassed to be what it is, the thing that people actually like, while trying to be many things that it isn't.
>boohoo I can't get into this franchiseThen go play something else you retarded zoomie.
>>741331203I have autistically played every FF, as a kid I used to log how often I'd replayed them (mainly V & VII). I have also played every DMC and love DD1, but I could not bring myself to finish XVI. It literally felt like I was wasting my life away, and I've beaten Yiazmat in XII.
>>741325052The tropes the games had to build a fanbase are not being used anymore, so why would they play this modern safe goyslop? FF is uncslop, and unless they start understanding what made people love it in the first place, that is all it will ever be.
>>741348135Anon e33 is not a JRPG. P5 last success was a decade ago, people are not young anymore and you have gacha on top of that.SE is still releasing turn based games
>>741348135Every new jrpg will keep being compared to final fantasy, not persona or expedition.
>>741325052
>>741348641Dion should have been playable
>>741333025FFXIII had a cool setting, Cocoon was a dyson sphere dystopia floating over a wild world.The game itself? Totally underutilized feat. garbage corridors.
>>741335995>>741339629That's because it's a persona game without any of the appeal of a persona game
>>741348686That would have been a good step toward making XVI feel less one-dimensional.
>>741336627It's commie trash.
>>741325052cause it's a series that people only keep up with out of habit because it used to be pretty good when they were children. many such cases
>>741335995>>741336627>>741337848Nigga new generation don't read. Everytime you faggots use Persona 5 you use a game played during millennials in their 20s, zoomers being kids and gacha being unknown.You really expect people in their 30s to play these games more? You come from a generation where even the most retarded kid used to devour fat books like Harry Potter, new generation can only see reactions and summaries in some Tiktok.
>>7413462462DHD deserves to sell low, they are low budget games. If you want a homerun, make a worthwhile investiment.
>>741349359>worthwhile investiment.examples?
>>741335995I played the demo and didnt buy because the story was some gay shit about saving some kids faggot friend and reality le bad also all the designs have to be the worst Atlus has ever made, turning the elf girl knight into ((Hulkenberg)) and ditching the high fantasy for diet Persona modern fantasy turned me off from the setting. The "Human" designs are a joke compared to SMT Demons
>>741327245>you hate samey anime shit>you should play the game series that hasn't evolved at all in 40 yearshuh
>>741325052I've never played a Final Fantasy game, what would be the best game for a first time FF player, but not someone new to JRPGS?
>>741349739ff7 or 10
>>741325052>trying to get into a franchise by playing the one game that most fans agree is shit and has completely lost the series identityWhy would anyone do that?
>>741349852RagebaitAddiction to anger
>>741325052Because SE is incapable of making a simple video game. Even Rebirth is padded with a bunch of anti-fun shit like forced Chadley and forced walking so it can hold the retard Journo's hands.Make a streamlined fun experience with a clear beginning and end like DQ.
>>7413497396, 7, 9 or 10. any of those are still good games if you enjoy jrpgs. if you really find yourself enjoying the FF flavor then go backwards. everything after 10 is pretty bad. 2 and 8 are fairly unique but not great games, all the others are pretty vanilla jrpgs.
>>741349739FF4 or FF6
>>741349934>Make a streamlined fun experience with a clear beginning and end like DQ.Alright bro>DQ sells 500K copies>FFXVI sells 3 million copiesWoah
>>741350051One franchise has larger brand name recognition than the other. Which recent mainline game reviewed better hmm?
the golden era of jrpgs is over, in a landscape of instant gratification always online twitch action games theyre an acquired taste now (not that 16 is a jrpg, its an action masquerading as one)
>>741350092>Which recent mainline game reviewed better hmm?...final fantasy?
>>741347609Nigga people played FF because of the graphics and telenovela shit. Stop trying to make FF something different. Sure squeenix is doing that but you just want it to be another generic jrpg
>>741350001>everything after 10 is pretty bad.Tired of this meme when FFXII is one of the best.
>>741350357nah FFXII isn't good. shit non gameplay and a story that goes nowhere.only people that like it would be better off playing idler games on Steam instead of shitting up the discourse on this franchise.
>>741350357this guy gets it. it's the last great final fantasy game.
>>741350186Oh I didnt realize we were doing that thing where you dont argue in good faith like a leftist. Carry on
>>741350467Ok, now show how many threads DQ11 got
>>741350186>>741350092I really don't get your point here since FF seems to consistently review better than DQ.>Dragon Quest VII Reimagined - 83/100>Dragon Quest I&II Remake - 85/100>Dragon Quest III Remake - 85/100>Dragon Quest XI - 88/100>Final Fantasy XVI - 87/100>Final Fantasy VII Rebirth - 91/100>Final Fantasy VII Remake - 88/100>Final Fantasy XV - 81/100The only game scoring lower is FFXV.>>741350467>arguing in good faith>by pretending DQ hasn't released any games in a decadeThe remakes are DQ mainline, always have been. I know you're some kind of weird loser that pretends to have played DQ so you can get mad at FF, but anyone who has played DQ would know this.
>>741350442>Wah! I need constant button pushing! Parries! QTEs! Wah!Fucking Sebtard.
>>741350570
>>741350665FF12 was my first Sony Cinematic experience videogame because it was playing by itself lmao
>>741350442>and a story that goes nowhereYou played it 20 years ago when you weren't even sapient. FFXII's story is excellent, one of the finest in the series.
>>741327615Maybe it wasn't great as you claim then
>>741330236>>741333576>The OST is actually really good if you autistically study one specific facet of classical music for decadesMeanwhile, any retard with functional ears can play one of the PS1 FFs and instantly fall in love with the godlike music, that's the mark of a good soundtrack.Also Kissin's rendition of La Campanella at the Royal Albert Hall is the goat.
>>741349852Many will go with the latest entry to get into a series. Always been this way.
>>741348535>e33 is not a JRPGshut up
>>741350467>>741350589Also, if we're doing "just mainline" (meaning just the super specific games anon chooses to declare mainline despite having no insight or knowledge into the series), let's look at those scores.Since it's JUST mainline, I guess for the PSX generation we'll compare Dragon Quest 7 to FF7-9, since FF managed to actually release mainline games, right?DQ7 got a 78/100 overall score.FF7 got a 92/100.FF8 got a 90/100.FF9 got a 94/100.Alright, maybe PS2 did better, so DQ8 versus FF10, 11, and 12. DQ8 got an 89/100 (so much for a consistent series considering the last one).FF10? 92/100.FF11? 85/100, pretty good for a console MMORPG.FF12? 92/100. Both SP games beat out the sole DQ released in this generation.
>>741351156I accept your concession
>>741351186this is how you know you're talking to a redditor
>>741328841He shoots himself in the head every single turn?>>741329079Fuck you
I think when people complain about them abandoning turn based what they really miss is that they've also abandoned playable party members. Final Fantasy is now a solo protagonist who occasionally fights alongside guest NPCs. You can see this in people not throwing the same criticisms they've had with XV and XVI at the FF7R trilogy because they kept the group based combat
>>741351241Oh you want to continue? Ok. E33 is not a jrpg
I'm like 20 hours into it, I just channeled Titan and beat Hugo boss. I'm getting really bored with it, I'm thinking about dropping it
>>741351325yeah yeah, keep saying it and it might become true
>>741350467>>741351160And a few more>DQ1 - 73/100>FF1 - 80/100>DQ2 - 76/100>FF2 - 77/100>DQ3 - 78/100>FF3 - 79/100>DQ4 - 80/100>FF4 - 85/100>DQ5 - 84/100>FF5 - 85/100>DQ6 - 78/100>FF6 - 92/100
>>741351493post dq7 ff7 numbers faggot
Are Breath of Fire games better compared to FFs?
>>741351576See >>741351160>DQ7 - 78/100>FF7 - 92/100
>>741351160>>741351493>>741350589>If I retard enough, I'm rightNTA (I think he's done with you anyway) but we all know exactly what mainline means and no amount of retardation will change that.
>>741351653dW7 is the second greatest video game after FFVII and you're gay if you disagree
>>741351710AlrightAll these games still scored higher retardbro.
>>741340320jrpgs are just adventure games with light combat. most jrpgs have a boring and/or shitty story. if you have>OMGZ MUH HARDEST SUPER DEEP COMBAT SYSTEM EVAR!it's usually just the most annoying, time-wasting contrivance for lame people with nothing else in their miserable lives.
>>741325736Same here. I'm also 42.>play turn based game>leave town>walk four steps>screen gets all blurry, music changes>am enemy appear!>mash attack button>eventually main character attacks>enemy dies >music changes to victory music after ten seconds of the other track>a winrar is yuo!>party does a two frame victory animation as numbers appear on screen>mash button to make numbers go away>walk four more steps>repeat x1000, healing at some point>every once in a while there's a boss and you have to use a special attack>the main character says "what if... things were not as they seem?">bad guy kills main character's girlfriend>"no.">the internet spends years praising the genius gameplay, writing and musicTurn based games in the old days made me think maybe Japanese people just want to do the exact same thing over and over again like some sort of machine in a factory.
zoomers suck, zillenials were the last hope, trauma made us man children.
>>74134903513 was entirely at odds with its setting and so much of it was utterly unexplained. Why are people using swords and melee weapons in a scifi world? Why are potions still a thing? It was as lazy and directionless as the rest of the game's writing.
>>741325923I always think the opposite of what faggot youtubes say, so yeah this game is fucking kino
>>741353103>Why are people using swords and melee weapons in a scifi world? Worked for Star Wars, Phantasy Star and any scifi series ever.
>>741353332SW has scifi laser swords made of pure light, Phantasy Star always dumps you on a medieval backwater planet to explain the swords.13 starts with a techo train taking you through an active future warzone, and everyone is handing out automatic weapons to civilians. There is 0 reason for your team to be using a fucking BOOMERANG and whatever retarded fever dream bullshit Vanille equipped to fight a cyberpunk military.
>>741328923It is to balance out the fact that the enemy can oneshot your party if you dont oneshot them. It is extremely well balanced in SMT IV and Strange Journey but in Purseowner 3 & 4 it makes it a bit too easy by the end game.
>>741329196It is clear this guy never played 15.If you haven't played the game don't put it in your statement. It makes your other opinions less meaningful. Also notice how all of his concerns and complaints are mostly about the stories. Who the fuck gives a shit about the story. Get out of gaming you movie loving faggot.
>>741352269Jrpgs were always movie games.
>>741331554You do not need creative people to make Final Fantasy Games. The story is really simple.Humans vs MonstersCrystals as a main themeThe Hero's journeyThe only creative people need to be the people making the monsters and character designs.People don't want futurism/sci-fi games anymore. It was interesting in FF6 and FF7 and it got boring after FF8. The futurism shit doesnt even make sense in some of the games like FF5. Where most people are living with water wheels and mills while there are some cities towns that are using future flight/hover tech.
>>741353846Why should anyone play 15? It’s fucking unfinished and terrible lol almost as bad as 13
>>741354647royal edition is actually very good compared to base ff15 on release. ff15 on release got me filtered and mad so bad it was the first FF i asked for refund.I was told by a friend to try the royal edition with all fixes and dlcs (pirated of course) and it was better
>>741325052Young people exist?
>>741325389this guy plays more games than /v/
Can't really blame them, anything newer than FFXIII is crap and even that was pretty meh, lightning was not in fact rightening.
ff dies with millenials. it is what it is. I wouldn't mind something like IX remake as the last hail mary.
>>741325052These advertising threads are so annoyed
>>741356216Same as a lot of jrpgs, new gen can't read too much
>>741352269What a retarded thing to say given that the JRPG evolved from Western games which are just video game adaptations of pen and paper games
>>741354584>Where most people are living with water wheels and mills while there are some cities towns that are using future flight/hover tech.About as easy to explain as why in real life some people are still living in hunter gatherer societies while we live in advanced civilizations with space travel capabilities
>>741349397E33 and, as much as I hate the games, Remake series.
>>741325389Did this faggot start playing videogames last year? Lmao what the fuck is this
>>741325052Man, I dont know. They kinda lost me after I played Crisis Core and that was almost twenty years ago. That game was so ass.
>>741348458is XVI really that bad anon? I was thinking of buying it for my friend as a gift
>>741325736This is exactly the type of normie faggot who hated games before they looked like photorealistic Desert Storm sims. This isn't your hobby. You don't belong here. Kill yourself asap
>>741357978We call them normalfags here, tourist.
>>741325052If it takes more than 2 minutes to get into the action then it's a failed RPG. Save the exposition and dialogue until after the hook.
>>741358225>touristBeen here since before you were born, unfortunately
>>741350467>that thing where you dont argue in good faith like a leftist.What is with magafaggots and this ancient gaslighting?
>>741357789Lmao that image is funny af
>>741325736giga based
>>741325052>Why can't FF connect with young people?zoomers will never buy something with crazy letters pretending to be numbers. if square wants zoomers they should rebrand FF into a free to play gacha.
>>741343871>A good list between some classics and modern gamesWhat's the issue here?
>>741325151stop posting copypasta because you are afraid that you aren't creative enough to /thread on your own
>>74132919611 was and still is one of the best games people have never played, they never released a good game afterwards
>>741365824>11 was and still is one of the best games
>>741325923>>741328232You shouldn’t give a crap what obvious grifters say. Here is a much better more nuanced review of XVI: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2023/06/final-fantasy-xvi-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http
JRPGs sold on the premise of being movie games. The issue is those games are no longer novel. Especially when gachas also do this while retaining similar gameplay loops and axing the barrier to entry that is an upfront cost
>>741325970You are being too negative, see:>>741370075
>>741370172You don’t know shit of what you are talking about.
>>741370173Shut up retard
>>741341274That won't magically bring back all the devs that left square soft decades ago.
>>741325052Same reason why no matter what shills said, nobody gave a fuck about E33 and all the recognition and hype it got was heavily astroturfed. Turn based games are fucking BORING and nobody gives a fuck about them except for turn based slop enjoyers.
>>741370646Meanwhile your ARPGs are irrelevant
>>741370847Wtf is an ARPG? Is that like a gun they announced is gonna be in GTA VI?
>>741370249he's right. look at how they advertised FFVII. It was just about a big epic storyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxikKSDtZg
>>74132505216 was made by the B-team
>>741325052Because the stories they tell have been shit ever since X-2. This is well known. This thread serves no purpose.
>>741326074>>741328841>>741329503>>741331325>>741332510>>741335995What happened the moment before you decided the rest of your life would be dedicated to posting this shit in every FF thread on /v/? It's been over a year of this, every day. I'm curious about what caused it. I don't think anyone else in the world has thought about Metaphor more than you.
>>741325052The Hodor expy filtered me. I have no patience for mentally impaired characters wasting screentime for humor.
>>741350995old FF Nobuo Umatsu soundtracks are straight up ripped off Prog Rock bands like Genesis, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer. Yes, classical piano virtuoso music is better than ripped off Prog Rock. I play this instrument so I like it way more.
>>741373220You cant just make accusations like that without providing proof.
>>741373592literally ask ChatGPT I believe his Lavos song was literally ripped off a prog rock band hold up that one is easy to gethttps://youtu.be/JxBQPcfFJnM?si=WnBxzhqx8w0_mkaxlearn more about music theory pleb
>>741373220>old FF Nobuo Umatsu soundtracks are straight up ripped off Prog Rock bands like Genesis, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer.One of the FF boss themes, I think the FFV final boss theme, was straight up The Burning Sword of Capua by Triumvirat.
>>741374174whoops, sorry, didn't see this was pointed out already.
>>741348641Hot. Terence should have fucked Dion in the ass in that cutscene though.
>>741374257Ah then thats the one I confused with with Lavos theme which im sure he had an imput on as well, he called in sick that day he didnt finish Chrono Triggers ost but he layed out all the ideas for how its gonna sound.He sounds a lot like Prog Rock. And Prog is amazing but nothing beats Classical and good Jazz and Hamauzu has that skill set. Umatsu is self-taught, Hamauzu was born in the Music Conservatory of Germany and was raised there and you can tell. His range is insane with keys, he is retardedly highly skilled.
>>741331209>Maybe I don't want to go through the hassle of creating a Xitter account.Anon… Elon made it so you need an account to even browse Twitter.
>>741325389Kek what a normie fag
Should I play this? Its on sale with the 2 dlc chapters for 30 Euro on PSN
>>741374469Jacks game is better, funnier and has more soul. Stranger of Paradise is better but sure play this, the amount of cutscenes will bore you to death.
I have the FF pixel remaster on the Switch because JRPGs should be played on handheld as often as possible, but I haven't even touched it beyond just checking if my cartridge works. In terms of difficulty, how is it compared to the PSP remakes or the DS remakes? I remember giving up on FF4 on the DS during the last dungeon because it was getting too difficult and frustrating.
XII was dogshit slop
>>741374719The voice acting is the best in all of FF and possibly top 10 voice acting in gaming in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLpAripIK_Yif anyone ever replays 12 I highly recommend the Struggle For Freedom mod. It makes the game way harder and this makes you think tactically like using potions and phoenix downs against undead enemies to kill em fast.
defending 13 because you are a massive music sperg and think only you truly understand the genius of the soundtrack is next level autism, posts like this are why I still come to this shithole
>>741375338No I also defend it because the system is really not that bad its underrated actually. It's kinda like Kenshi where you see your party auto battling and you just do commands of "defense mode" "heal mode" "magic mode" "attack mode" and you need to have good timing at this. For example changing paradigm at the end of an air combo is more optimal than doing it grounded because you skip the animation and it's faster. You can optimize little things like that. It's more deep than you think. Possibly the hardest FF to speedtranny on from what I seen.skip over if you want, the nigga afro is very overpowered early game due to how Blitz works on him, he turns into a machine gun:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PptTG-T92KwBut overall late game if you plan to level up the crystalium and upgrade weapons and min-max Fang and Vanille are the strongest characters in the game. Then Lightning. Fang deals a fuck ton of damage with Highwind (Jump) and Vanille has the Death spell that can instakill those big turtles with absurd hp sometimes.
>>741370172Keep telling yourself that until Xenosaga and FFXIII become good. Tip: they won't.
>>741375948>No I also defend it because the system is really not that bad its underrated actually. It's kinda like Kenshi where you see your party auto battling and you just do commands of "defense mode" "heal mode" "magic mode" "attack mode" and you need to have good timing at this. Basedga
>>741350357what an idiot. bought this game on release from gamestop. it was shit.
>>741350763bodied that faggot.
>>741325052>The ratioUncs seething
FF13 and FF12 are better than FF8but worse than FF10 FF9 FF7 FF5 FF6 or even FF1 and FF2 (Dawn of Souls version)
>>741375163Flowery language is for fags. I don't play video games for shakespeare.
>>741377523You art as dim as a dogged nigger Basch, less than a slave, less than a white man.
>>741325052>FFXVI and FFVIIRThose games just suck dick.>first gamesgrim
>>741375948As someone with the platinum trophy; you really do not need any great skill to "master" paradigm shifts, and XIII has a terribly boring combat system. I hated that game so much that even as an obsessive completionist I've avoided playing its sequels.
>>741377278What about this ratio, turn troon unc?
>>741325052>170 likesGrim>3200 likesBased
>>741378096Yeah being a completionist in 13 is a nightmare, you did all the hunts too? It gets fucking insane with the power scaling of the bosses. There is too much grinding in 13 if you do all of them.
>Persona 3 Reload flopped in Japankek
>>741326561The gameplay is building your character, exploring for loot and managing equipment. They took all that out for their retarded story hallways so of course it is fucking boring.It's like the tranny faggots who spam about Elden Ring being too long. They do not understand the journey at all.
>>741378248maybe because everyone already played it
>>741378248OH NO NOWhat now, FATLUS sissies?
>>741325389this is just sad even for journo standards
>>741378248Why are they still trying to milk P3?
>>741378441BARRY YOU OK? ARE YOU OK BARRY? YOU OK BARRY!?
>>741378441Fatlus needs to attract a WIDER audience. They need more action elements to make the games more appealing to younger generations.
>>741378119Based FF7 chads never let me down.
>>741379038They are gonna repeat the same mistake of Yoshi
>>7413272454 is a fucking NES game and 11 is the worst game with Dragon Quest in the name. Ok Treasures is worse.Persona is SMT for homosexuals.
>>741379148
>>741325052>>741379038Young people cannot get into FATLUS vidya. Many people have tried Persona 5 and Metaphor as their first games and dropped them. Why can't FATLUS connect with young people?
>>741379367
>>741379238>Jimbo finally reveals himselfDid you have fun bumping this thread for this last 12 hours so it doesn't necro? kekFinal Fantasy VII Revelation is winning GOTY. Screencap this and add it your collection. :))))))
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>>741379532yeah I can see FF Revelations winning some nominatins and no im not jimbo im another shitpsoter that posts hayley williams from/mu/ im just boredI think Gameplay wise possibly Crimson Desert wins, that game is what Dragon's Dogma 2 should have been.
>>741325052FF16 has one of the worst opening hours to any Final Fantasy game ever.
>>741378119>A brand new Final Fantasy mega fan is bornKEKAROOO5 million day one sales, FF bros!
>>741329468RPGs are games where character ability determines outcome rather than player. If it has any twitch reflex it is not an rpg. You are pretending you like something you obviously hate by trying to force an entirely different thing to be included. May as well pretend you're a woman.
>>741379773>5 million day one sales, FF bros!SE will easily beat their old record because FFVII Revelation will be a multiplatform launch.
>>741379532The entire trilogy sucks and the last part isn’t even out yet lol can wait for your suicide when 7R3 sells below expectations, again lmao
>>741379758I disagree the intro is kinda good with the bitch mom but when Clive is an adult it gets so boring. It would have been cool to have Clive kill his own mother for being a bitch slut piece of shit that sells her own children to slavery.
>>741379673You don't seem to realize that FF7 Revelation is coming out next year.
>>741379165Why didnt yoshi kill himself yet?
>>741379367Fatlus has a problem with rereleasing the same game 2-3 years later with more content and all the DLC with no upgrade path. Its a no brainer why nobody buys their new games on launch anymore.
>>741379989Nah it will sell well but how much you wanna bet that normies are going to skip playing the previous 2 parts.
>>741380047Why don't you stop harassing game developers, brown schizo?
>>741380004Getting shoved into a 2-3 hour flashback tutorial where the only ok part is the Eikon fight sucks.
>>741380029>You don't seem to realize that FF7 Revelation is coming out next year.Oh. No I didnt know this. Lol then it will have heavy competition unless they get lucky.>>741380047he doesnt deserve that, jsut put him on the B team working on the MMO RPG FF14 thas it
>>741325052This isn’t FF. 9 was the last real FF. 10 & 12 were migrating to the new slop.
>>741379949>>741379773It took 6 months for FF7R to hit the 5 million sales milestone.
>>741380156Too bad for you i’m white.
>>741380048>nobody is excited enough to play Fatlus turn-slop on day oneI feel you. The only good things about Persona 5 were Ann Takamaki's ass and banging your sexy milf teacher.
>>741380385>Too bad for you i’m white.Barry please.
>people complaining about story and charactersYou are exactly the retarded faggots nufantasy caters to. Story does not matter in games and it's disruptive effect should be minimized.
>>741380385Do you look like this degenerate? Then I'll believe you.
>>741325052pedo series
We're going to be eating good next spring, FF bros!
>>741380501No. Cutscenes should be minimized more. Story should be narrated while on fights or exploring the characters just open up some conversation relevant to what you must do. This the best way to tell a story without interrupting gameplay or exploration. Of course not all of it must be like this but most of it yes.
>>741380548It's another world, it's legal in Edgar's Kingdom
>>741378119>>741378248>>741378441>>741379038>>741379367Hello? I asked you a question. >>741371608
>>741380790>>741325052What happened the moment before you decided the rest of your life would be dedicated to shitposting about FF thread on /v/? It's been over a year of this, every day. I'm curious about what caused it. I don't think anyone else in the world has thought about Final Fantasy more than you.
>>741380990I'm not spamming schizo nonsense about turn based games for 18 hours every day. I'm just wondering what drives it. It's all delivered as if you've "won" but to do this every day for over a year certainly doesn't seem like winner behavior.
>>741380246>Over 5 million Meanwhile, E33 will break 10 million by the end of the year. Remember when Yoshi-Piss said that nobody wanted turn based?
>>741381141kek
>>741381690lol It isn't turn-based, because it also has a parry system.
>>741381715You're going to spend the entire day tomorrow posting the same schizoposts about turn based games that you've posted every day for a year yet again. And nobody ever replies to you aside from me, every now and then, to ask why you do this. And that's the highlight of your day - no, your life. Because then you get to double down and pretend I'm your enemy who loves turn based games.This is all you've got, and it's very sad. I just wonder what started you on this path.
>>741382342kek
>>741382681You really don't have anything else in life, do you? This is it. Basically the life of a bot. And for what? Why does he do it? Who knows? Enjoy the miserable routine you've trapped yourself in.
