How are we feeling immersive sim bros?>Arkane Austin dead>Eideos Montreal on life support and Deus Ex MD sequel cancelled.>Arkane Lyon shutdown eminent>Kevin Levine game in development hell.
>>741331369deathloop fucking sucked.
>>741331690Deathloop was fucking amazing but normalfaggots don't buy good vidya
>>741331369Ralph's new game is coming and thankfully he's got proper funding for it. Though I'm not a fan of the retrofuturism aesthetics he's got going for, beggars can't be choosers. Also Valve is poaching Arkane's devs and imsim people lately. Guess doing nothing is a good gig for industry veterans now.
>>741331369We've always had it rough. Independents are the best hope for vidya in general anyway.
>>741331835Have you been watching his playthrough of Dishonored? Got me to redownload it and Death of the Outsider.
>>741331369The black pill is that single player fps game don’t sell anymore when the company gets bigger.
>>741331991I did. Not the most insightful of commentaries, more of a let's play, nothing wrong with that. It's nice to see devs playing their game, not a lot of those.
Wolfeye Studios is the future. Most of the main arkane devs are there now and they’re currently working on a first person ImSim.
>>741331804>normalfaggots don't buy good vidyaApparently these ad banners were plastered all over billboards, at bus stops and on buses themselves in the UK at least, so that's once again Arkane's fault for failing to attract anyone despite their excessive advertising budgets allocated to them by Bethesda that is associated with all of their gamesIf people aren't buying it's because they fucked up with appeal.
indies are where i go now for them
>>741332487Yeah I agree with bad marketing, good vidya can die due to bad marketing
>>741331369None of those games are imsims
>>741331369the only immersive sim in that image is Prey and it's mid at best
>>741332615I don't know how the marketing for Dishonored 2 was or how the sales for the first game were like. But surely the onus is on you at some point if you plaster your game in front of said normalfags faces and they don't buy it.
arkane layoffs can't come soon enough
>>741332615Only picture i can find online for Deathloop but it's likely it was advertised everywhere. At least from accounts I've heard.
>>741333302Deathloop was showcased in game shows a lot too I recall. Bethesda/Zenimax really wanted it to succeed.
>>741331369https://store.steampowered.com/app/2067820/RetroSpace/I thought I would hate this because of the humour, name and disco, but it turned out to be a pretty fun demo.As long as they take the demo to thoroughly polish it before release, I think it's going to be pretty neato.So: pretty good. Arkane hasn't done a good game in forever (Dishonored was great, but Prey needed more time in the oven for sure); I never really cared for the Eidos-developed Deus Ex games; Bioshock Infinite was shite so I don't care about Levine.
just play Peripeteia
>>741331369>"Deus Ex MD sequel cancelled"am i the only one who didnt really care?i love the first Deus Ex but HR was so absolutely nothing that i couldnt be bothered to even buy MDnever played IW lol
>>741331804>Deathloop was fucking amazingIt really wasn't. It was a basic ass shooter that told you it had a cool gimmick, but it actually just lead you by the nose through everything, so the gimmick was only pretend.
>>741332162Yeah, I feel some of the developers are a little shy and that the playthrough suffers from a lack of direction sometimes as Raf tries to play and commentate at the same time to fill dead air but I really enjoyed the Lady Boyle episode, especially the ending when they fawned over happier times as well as them sharing memories about Viktor Antonov in the following episode. Hopefully the series gains some traction and they keep playing other titles, I would honestly love some insight into Deathloop but that is a long shot.
>>741332468While I can get behind the idea of a more open level for imsim design, the way Ralph said he was inspired by Obsidian worried me. Obsidian as a game studio is so toothless these days. I really hope he didn't take the wrong lesson out of its repertoire.
>>741333957>but it actually just lead you by the nose through everything, so the gimmick was only pretendSeriously it was such a fucking waste. The solution should've been an esoteric knowledge based thing and never actually explained beyond hidden hints.
>>741334586The problem with imsim design imo is that the devs are overtly paranoid about players "not getting it" with the way the gameplay works; they have to streamline everything, even the experimental/gimmick parts of the game.
Never played any of those games so completely indifferent.
I liked the System Shocks but didn't like a single of Levines games. I liked Deus Ex too.Liked Dark Messiah + Arx Fatalis.Disliked: Dishonored and i haven't played the Prey reboot.However the games that i 'liked' needs to be separated by a huge gap from the games that i loved because i like stealth games more than immersive sims and thus Thief is the best game. Liked all of the first 3, even Ion Storm one despite acknowledging some flaws like the hub loading and the floating bug (which is still in progress with sneaky upgrade in regards to both issues i believe). System Shock and Deus Ex are too different from Thief for my liking so the whole grouping philosophy always felt dumb. Mainly because i think less of Deus Ex and SS and I'm always wanting more Thief. Nobody is ever gonna make a Thief clone that matters if they get these games mixed up. I do hope people make Thief fan games i just hope that they can learn the distinction between them. I'm probably just asking for The Metal Age and they'll ignore that.
The genre's held up by indies. Which is fine with me. Peripeteia, Psycho Patrol R, Gloomwood, all awesome games. Just a shame about early access hell.
>>741336173>Psycho Patrol RHow can you get immersed in visual vomit? i think there's a point where presentation matters and that takes too many liberties in looking hideous.I'd rather devs tried making their games actually represent what Deus Ex Invisible War or Thief Deadly Shadows looks like. You can't even claim that I'm being a graphics fag anymore because this is no longer advanced but dated by todays standards.The Cruelty Squad stuff is just bad.
>>741336173>Psycho Patrol RHow is the game nowadays? I played a bit on launch and never touch it ever since.
>>741338139Had its second chapter added about a month ago. Has a decent amount of content now, although development's much slower than Cruelty Squad. I enjoy it. I vibe with it more than CS.>>741337281I think PPR actually has a decent art style that's not remotely as abrasive as that of Cruelty Squad. It's still somewhat crude, sure, but not actively unpleasant.
>Arkane Austin dead>Arkane Lyon shutdown eminent>Kevin Levine game in development hell.And nothing of value was lost.
I played the demo for Retrospace recently and it seems promising.Operative word here is seems.
Eternally waiting for Neverlooted, Gloomwood and Fallen Aces.
>>741331690It was dead the moment they decided to only put negroes on the cover, games never sell when you do that.
>>741331369Arkane has been practically dead since the second dishonored.The state of the indies, is poorly known.>>741333840I wanted them to at least get to a natural ending.
Dishonored 1: White MaleDishonored 2: White FemalePrey: Asian Male/Asian FemaleDeathloop: Black Male/Black FemaleRedfall: pic related
>>741342198(Also Dishonored 2 2: Black Female)
>>741331369hell is dead
>>741342198>Muttfall
was Prey (reboot) that bad?
>Kevin
>>741331369I've never really worried about anything. I just replay Deus Ex every year.
>>741341714Even if Arkanes games weren't woke with diversity pandering (Prey was woke too the asian protag was apart of forced DEI not a natural decision, stating it not being white male was intentional.) they'd still fucking suck. I'd dare say Arx Fatalis + Dark Messiah must have been a different studio because it was all trash post that early era.
>>741346905Sure, but independently on what even is in the game, such aggressive covers push most customers away. Anyway, these days, publishers are shit and devs are shit, so there is no reason to expect anything good.
