out of 10!

>still malding about it two decades later
snoy moment

Honestly that's a generous score for TP

>>741332585
out of 8

gr8 8.8 m8 i r8 8.8

tendies really pissed and sharted their pants over this

new ipv6 google dns just dropped

>>741332585
This was honestly too high, should have been no higher than 8/10. The real mystery is how the fuck wind waker and skyward sword are over 90 on metacritic, those are 7/10s at best

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why are wind waker fags like this?
a lot of the content that was cut from wind waker ended up getting used in twilight princess.

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>Gamecube Zeldas

>>741332864
This, it was a disappointing six and tried to chase Ocarina's highs without trying to build up on its own elements.

Why were people so anxious to rim Gerstmann back then?

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>it only takes 20 more minutes to get to the first dungeon in TP
it's official, TP is a much better game than WW and there's nothing else to be said about this

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>OoT Remake
>MM Remake
>3rd HoT game
>TP remake for the climax

>>741332585
There's already source port that runs on PC, you don't need any demakes.

Isn't that really high? and this is supposed to be a snoy roast?

>>741334576
I honestly wish they went backwards starting with TP, and you're deluding yourself to think MM will get one, Aonuma hates that game.

>>741332585
it should have been lower, to this day it and TP are the only Zelda I only finished once. it really does nothing better than oot

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>>741334536
>Ocarina only took five minutes to get to the first dungeon
>Every other game took at least an hour
Everyone cries about Ocarina of Time being rehashed but those games never tried to rehash its breakneck pace.

>>741333954
because WW was a project made out of love, even Miyamoto played the violin for it because he cared. meanwhile there's interviews that he and that faggots aonuma saw the guy who animated the scene where zant breaks his neck, said they didn't fucking get it but felt they'd look stupid if they opened their mouths so they kept it in.

why did they get a melty over this?

>>741334801
Oot was too bare bones to be good, so that's a moot point.

>>741334871
Here (You) go.

>>741334235
I remember the horseback horde battle in Hyrule Field in Ocarina of Time. I also remember jumping across rails on a beyblade, sumo wrestling, snowboarding down a mountain with a yeti, and unlocking cool sword flips.

>>741334536
and yet tp does nothing with the extra time, idgaf anyone on the village muche less the retarded monkeys

>>741332650
snoyggers are the only to bring it up.
ignoring they did the same melt down shit twice over. and xbox fags did as well.
but fags only drag up only Nintendo drama.

>>741332585
>snoygger seething
-8.8million karma to ziony

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What would you rate Midna's tits?

>>741334859
Because you cannot fathom how hyped TP was prior to release. Coming off WW's mixed reception, it looked like a true next gen successor to Ocarina of Time. It is not hyperbole to say the expectations were astronomically high.

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TP good points
>Midna
>Zelda
>.... er.....cute wolf boy thing?
>The taller Midna

>TP bad points
>everything else

Check this banger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOgjv7dFOF0

what set off OP this time

>>741332864
Its somehow not even the best Zelda on GameCube, Wii or Wii U...

>>741332864
yeah the game is like a 7/10 at best. too derivative of oot and the wolf link sections were completely unnecessary and not fun.

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>>741334536
it takes 2 fucking hours to get to the first dungeon on your first playtrough of TP and it's not like the dungeons are these masterpieces like zoomers like to pretend, at least WW 3 first dungeons are good.

TP is a 7.8 WW is a 8.8

>a B+ is a bad rating
I will never understand why this is supposed to be a gotcha

>>741334969
TP does everything with that time lmao, in just 20 more minutes you're
-riding the horse
-fishing
-scrounging rupees for a slingshot
-controlling a hawk
-fighting through the forest
-navigating poisonous bogs
-navigating hyrule sewers
-fighting across the rooftops
-getting familiar with the transformation
-navigating a dark cave with a lantern
-collecting macguffins
-sneaking around a village
-learning a new combat move

>>741335096
>it takes 2 fucking hours to get to the first dungeon on your first playtrough of TP
if youre retarded, maybe

>>741334960
>horseback horde battle
Forgettable.
>jumping across rails on a beyblade
Underused outside of two moments where you get rupees.
>sumo wrestling
Underused again.
>snowboarding down a mountain with a yeti
The only decent moment
>and unlocking cool sword flips
A lot of which are just flashy and stylish but lacked substance, hence why I said it didn't build up on those elements as much as it should.

>>741335096
*it takes two hours to get to your first dungeon in WW

if we're going to honestly inflate runtimes,

>>741334998
10.10

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>>741335164
>-navigating poisonous bogs
I hated having to follow this fucking slow monkey

>>741334536
I would say TP's introduction is better because the part where shit hits the fan in Ordon Village is a lot cooler (even if it feels more personal on Outset Island), and also because while catching bugs isn't super fun it still beats that overlong stealth mission. As an adult the Forsaken Fortress not that long but as a kid, it feels like forever when you want to just use the fucking sword and shield you JUST got. At least Wolf Link can attack.

>>741335198
All the items are underused, the overworld is an empty husk, pretty sure they ran out of time o algo

>>741335034
>TP good points
>Zelda
TP has the worst Zelda that has ever been in a Zelda

>>741335248
This part would've been better if you had to swing the lantern yourself to reach the monkey other side, rather than having to actually follow the monkey slowly

>>741335328
>cute
>sacrifices herself to save midna
>acts the most like a princess/royalty when zant attacks
>cool phantom zelda fight
>bobs
nah, youre dumb. She was severely underutilized and missing for more than half the game, but she definitely did stuff

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>>741335328
bait

>>741335328
>a princess that actually exudes royalty and sacrifices herself for her people
oh yeah, totally, the worst, except Tetra fucking exists fucking

>>741335286
Yeah, that's my main issue with TP, they added redundant items or items that became redundant just as quickly as you got them (Slingshot, Wooden Sword, Bomblings), or weren't used much outside of their respective dungeons (Spinner, Dominion Rod). Wind Waker got it right by having all your items have multiple uses outside of their dungeons, with only the armor being the only optional item and you don't need it to progress. I'll even give the Iron Boots the redundancy label but those were more for utility than actual combat.

final fantasy 14 1.0 got a 4.0 lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNm-t9eWSvA

>>741335612
>re-releasing ffxi in 2014
deserved

>>741335164
>>741335598
>>741335198
I binged as much TP dev info as I could find here with the release of Dusklight, and its very clear TP suffered directly as a result of Miyamoto's meddling.
All of the staff complained about his "sob story emails" he would spam them with en masse, bitching about small interactions and mechanics that needed to be implemented. They spent a great deal of development making lots of tiny inconsequential features, coupled with many one off set pieces, all to satisfy Miyamoto.

>>741335328
She's hot as fuck

I don't get what peoples problem with Twilight Princess is. It's literally just better OOT.

>>741335906
>la creatividad inconsequential features: :O WOW TECHNOLOGY HOW DOES HE DOOO IT
>shiggy inconsequential features: >:(

>>741334801
I remember as a kid it probably took me a few hours just to get in the Deku tree because they just kind of turn you loose and you have to find the sword by finding that little hole in the wall, and then also save up rupees to buy a shield. I spent forever just milling around the lost woods instead. But yeah, once you know what to do it's extremely quick.

>>741336116
Did you find the meadow on your own?

>>741332585
it was generous

>>741335159
It's not, but it's a disappointment when you have a legion of fans expecting the literal second coming of Christ. I know 2006 was 20 years ago but it was actually insane how much hype there was for TP.

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>>741332585
>goat wrasslan
>sumo wrestlan
>inner wolf unleashan
>shortstack imp moanan
>horseback swordfightan
>stronghold destroyan
>yeti snowboardan
>rail surfan
>western showdownan
>gravity defyan
>spidermannan
>fishan
>rollgoalan
>canoean
>poe huntan
>loli bug smellan
>sword skill learnan
>big mommy tiddy staran

TP is the Zelda for chads.

>>741335970
that's the issue, Oot is le perfect

MM is darker than TP no?

>>741338292
TP is the only T rated game, so,

>>741338292
Verifiably so. Pamela's dad still sticks with me after all these years.

>>741338738
TP has a more "realistic" artstyle and the violence didn't get scaled back much to account for it. Ironically, OoT is a bloodier game but that art direction really mattered, apparently.

>>741332585
Deserved lower because Wolf Link was a crap gimmick

>>741338292
Kinda. TP feels like a 00's epic Fantasy movie. Kind of mature and gritty, but not particularly morbior disturbing. Majoras Mask is more like a Guillermo del Toro or Terry Gilliam movie. Kind of weird and creepy, but still whimsical.

>>741338839
The great fairy doesn't where a top, her tits are full on out in TP. You can have your blood below a wooden X that means jack shit.

>>741332585
Reminder 8.8 includes the zelda and nintendo bonus

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mfw I first saw that score

>>741334859
Because the game was focus-tested around its e3 trailers, but was ultimately at the mercy of people who didn't like and/or didn't get Zelda and 3D games in general aka Aonuma and Miyamoto. The end result was a pretty hollow game, because trailers are hollow and can't scale to the size of a full game.
>>741335906
>Asks team for follow-up ideas for TP
>He complains that they all came to him with ideas for a sequel when he just wanted a mini-game collection or something
Shiggy's autism knows no bounds.
>>741339018
Agreed. Should've been a giant, pink rabbit. The problem is that designing around the trailers meant that they brought in consultants, which meant contaminating the game with horny women's romance novels because that's what they think moves units, which meant edgy werewolf shit because this was the mid-2000s.

>>741341473
>when he just wanted a mini-game collection or something
no he didnt. He didnt want a sequel that played just like the first TP, so he offered to let testers play crossbow training and see if it was a good idea, and they loved it so, thats what we got

>>741334576
WW is a rushed mess that isn't even half of what it wanted to be. Can we please remake the game that actually needs a do-over?

>>741334813
>aonuma saw the guy who animated the scene where zant breaks his neck, said they didn't fucking get it
That's not how that went at all.
Aonuma was asked what the neck break actually meant, and he said he had no idea because the guy who made the cutscenes completely vanished after TP.

>>741335328
She's barely in the game. What little screentime she does have is wholly utilitarian.
I much prefer that to the shilling she gets nowadays. "Muh goddess," "muh priestess," fuck off.

>>741332585
pachi pachi pachi pachi

>>741341547
Considering that his vision for MM was more in line with what would become OoT master quest I doubt that, he has no problems with players paying to play rehashed and slightly remixed content.
The interview states that he wanted a side-story of some description, but that the team came up with "epic tales" aka actual sequel material. The team actively clashed with him over it, he wanted all stages to be completed in less than 3 minutes, he didn't even want boss battles to appear in crossbow training and the less said about Link warping to the future to protect Tokyo city with an AK47, the better.
For all intents and purposes his desire can only be referred to as a mini-game collection even if the team initially interpreted it as a sequel prompt.

>>741335970
but the maps in TP suck

>>741335970
That's a cute opinion did Yahtzee Croshaw give it to you?

>>741335096
TP's dungeons are significantly better across the board than WW's

>>741335970
That's the problem, there's no innovation. You get a worse art style and the annoying gimmick of playing as a wolf and collecting tears of light, but we did this decades ago without the gimmicks and it was more fun. Not to mention that instead of two half assed games we could have gotten the much more impressive SpaceWorld 2000 demo that actually looked like open world OoT.

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>>741332585
HH, brother!

>>741342462
open world is a dogshit trend and it needs to die off. Linearity needs to make a comeback.

That being said, yeah, a LOT of the spaceworld content would've been incredible to see in the final product.

>>741343829
Open world =/= non-linear, even if the "No true Scotsman" fallacy gets trotted out every time an open world is linear.
Games can do a lot more to preserve the illusion of choice and freedom than just setting an unnecessarily broad agenda.

>>741344202
Open world is BY DEFINITION non--linear. You get nearly full freedom from the get go 90% of the time. Simple having a "main quest" does not make it linear. I would tell you to read a book, but I doubt you have the attention span for it.

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Twilight Princess is the best Zelda and you know why.

>>741344379
Definitions for open world are usually so optimistically large in scope (you can go wherever you want and do whatever you want) that few games can live up to them and a lot of games dilute that further by just claiming to have an open world that doesn't meet those lofty definitions simply because it sounds better, so the definition including non-linearity doesn't really matter if the use of the term "open world" hovers between "unattainable" and "deception" a lot of the time.
You can go often go almost anywhere on an open world map, but that doesn't mean that there is necessarily anything to do at those locations until you start missions or activate other triggers, it is ultimately up to the developer how linear or non-linear the open world experience actually is or feels, just like with games that don't include a recognizable open world.

>>741345268
You're wrong. Linearity and open world are almost 100% mutually exclusive.

>>741345369
>Shadow of the colossus
Show me an open world game that isn't just a survival, crafting sandbox, and you will show me a game with linear segments.
Show me an open world filled with non-linear content and you will show me a game with content so diluted and samey that progression order doesn't even meaningfully change the experience.
The degree of linearity is entirely contingent on what the developers want to include, on its own an open world is just a large space with obfuscated loading zones and bounds that are mostly diegetic, it can even just serve as a way to connect more linear or traditionally structured levels.

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8.8 trillion gallons of whipped cream pumped directly into midna

>>741345731
Shadow Of The Colossus is Linear as FUCK. You HAVE to fight shit IN ORDER and the world is fucking EMPTY outside of some lizards and fruit trees. You literally follow a beam of light, kill monster, rinse and repeat. YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THEM OUT OF ORDER.
The game railroads the fuck out of you. It just hides it EXTREMELY well.

>>741346225
Umm...you got a sauce for that?

>>741332585
Why do cubesnoys still seethe about this?

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this the thread?

>>741346190
Yes, which is why I used it to demonstrate my point.
It's a linear open world.

>>741334859
it was probably just one dude samefagging

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>>741332585

>>741346651
kish hit the wall this photo must be at least 15 years ago

>>741346682
It's literally not you fucking retard. Dogshit covered in frosting is STILL DOGSHIT. It's just hidden in frosting.

>>741334969
the village was comfy

>>741332585
>TP thread
>troons seething over WW
Every time

>>741347067
That score is like 30 years old.

>>741335407
She's less relevant to the plot than Adventure of Link Zelda, who spends 99.9% of the game in a coma.

I could say these games don't have a story they have marketable recognizable characters and themes, link is hardly even a character as much as he is a mascot

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Reminder:
WW flopped. It sold super poorly.

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>>741332585
It was a different time

>>741348710
Correction: The GAMECUBE sold poorly. WW was merely collateral damage.

>>741332585

back when people still gave a shit about what the game media opinions were
Bad times

>>741349192
I remember being a lil kid and the tv ads for wind waker were showing. I was a massive zelda fan as a kid and was begging my parents for a gamecube despite already owning a ps2

My father looked up the price of one and almost did, but he then asked if i would get any other games than WW and i couldn't honestly think of any so we decided against it

Then the wii came out, fully backwards compatible and it was a total non issue, got a 2nd hand copy of the edition that came with a port of OOT and the special verison of master quest which totally revamped sungeon puzzles rather than just mirroring dungeons

Good times