>Steam flooded with AI games every week>you have a very small chance of anyone noticing your game among the AI slopfest>if you strike lightning in a bottle and your game is a success, there will be a shitload of AI copycats within daysUnless you have a publisher marketing your game, the indie dream is dead
>>741333021RIP 41% axewounders
>>741333021I cant take any more green slime!Please stop...EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>741333021>you have a very small chance of anyone noticing your game among the AI slopfest>if you strike lightning in a bottle and your game is a success, there will be a shitload of AI copycats within daysso nothing changed shill you retarded turd
>>741333149Why do alphabet people have such a seemingly religious hatred for AI anyway?
>>741333021Based AIgods
>>741333321They are the dumbest useful idiots in our current era. They throw themselves wholeheartedly into every single lie they are told because they feel bad about themselves and following orders makes them feel slightly less fucked up.
>ai is good because it hurts artists, even though its destroyed the pc and console hardware market, its damaging the environment and sucking record amounts of water and energy, and /v/'s favorite boogeyman Larry Fink is in charge of most US data centers
I'm not universally a hater, but I do think that in general AI speaks to a lack of effort, because, well, that's what it was designed to replace. I just feel like, if you couldn't be bothered to write it, why should I bother to read it?
>>741333321Many of them choose to attempt employment in creative or graphic design fields after they find out their gender/liberal arts studies doesn't bring in any money.AI is pushing a lot of people out of those fields. Connect the dots, my man.
>>741333321Everyone hates it anon. Except for paid shills...who are easily replaced by bots.
>>741333321>why have the powers that be ensured hate towards AI correlates to a vocal, hated minority in the eyes of the public?it's a mystery
>have AI to make anything>make the exact same shit as people do without AIYou know what, maybe AI isn't really the problem.
AI can't create compelling rhythm game charts so i'm safe
If ai was good, trustworthy or useful, big corporations would not be literally begging on their knees to force it everywhere.
>>741333321many have physical problems that means they can only do computer workai is really fucking good at computer work now
>>741333021>40%bullshit numberliterally every single game dev i know is using codex or claude
>>741333494Yeah bro, you should throw away your computer too because it's evaporating all the water into a blackhole too.
>>741333906When trannies get angry at AI, it's because of "Assets" being AI, taking away a very much endangered graphic design job, not backend code.I dont think anyone cares if devs use codex or claude, its all about art being "genned".
So the steam greenlight situation again
>>741333021I don't care!
>>741333815It is not.
>>741333494AI shills are literally not people, anon. In 2025 alone OpenAI spent 8 BILLION dollars on "marketing"; aka they're using bot farms to flood literally every corner of the internet with propaganda.
>>741333906Yeah, I'm sure the anonymous loser on fucking /v/ knows so many game devs.
>>741333021I can't wait for this cool technology to start making my life better!
>>741333021Why libtroon hate progress so much?
>>741333021 (OP)>There are even more indie devs making promising new games with AI>anyone can make one and get some bucks from whoever buys that>If somebody strike lightning in a bottle and game is a success, there will be even more promising indie games made after it
>>741333021I have been monitoring daily Steam releases since 2018 for the sake of my curation group(follow me if you're looking for cool gameshttps://store.steampowered.com/curator/33882793/)I can say that the number of shit games release has always been very high since they opened the gates around 2017 to the general public so your indie game would always be lost in a sea of shit, and probably would be part of the shit itself too. Since the advent of AI pictures and AI coding around 2023, I haven't noticed an increase in the amount of games released. If anything there has been slightly less games released overall in the last few months for some reason.A lot of games use generative AI for pictures, probably around 75% of all the games released, or more. It's sad that they all have this very generic look, and this weird yellow tint, I wouldn't mind AI GFX if the developers worked on them to make them more original and less slop-like. There are a few vibe coded games nowadays, and you can pick them up pretty easily because they have weird structure, children graphics, or they look like excel tables.I wouldn't say that your game release will be lost in a sea of AI release, if anything your game will in the contrary stand out more if you don't produce slop (AI or not), and if you don't use generated GFX, or make sure to work on the final result so that it doesn't look like slop.
How many of those games did anyone actually buy?
>>741333021Steam has an AI filter, your argument is invalid
>>741334082I've personally been using AI as a more dynamic walk-through on how to make shit work, because programming is the one thing I cannot wrap my head around. I can write, draw, animate, and compose music, but programming never fucking clicks for me. The AI doesn't write the code for me, merely making suggestions, and as I'm aware it's not infallible I do not use it as a crutch but rather as a supportive tool, and it's actually very good at it without making me feel like I'm not going anywhere or making any progress.Sure, another human would do it better, but something the AIs have that real people do not is infinite time and infinite patience. I'm kind of retarded when it comes to programming, and my redundant amount of questions would get any sane person believe they're wasting their time with me.That's all AI is. A tool. A tool to help you do things. The retards trying to make it "do everything for them", whether that be soulless CEOs or third world shitskins and everything inbetween are grossly misusing the technology.
>>741333321Like how immigrants sabotage blue collar workers by undercutting their wages AI turns low-to-average talent artists obsolete by doing what they can do for almost nothing.
>>741333563Do you think effort automatically makes something good?
>>741333021>mfw almost 11k new releases in 2026 so far and we're only half-way into the year
>>741333021>>you have a very small chance of anyone noticing your game among the AI slopfestThis is more because indies don't realize they have to do their own marketing. Just releasing the game on Steam is irrelevant if you're relying on people FINDING it on the store.
>>741335902No, but flaws do. It's why everyone screams SOVL whenever they realize someone likely tried their hardest to make something that shouldn't work work. AI removes that completely because computers cannot make human-level errors.
>>741333751No one's paying you for that anyway
>>741336018This. Companies spend 90% of their budget on marketing for a reason. You could have the best game in the world but nobody gives a shit if they never hear about it.
>>741333021It isn't up to Steam to market your game retard. The primary means of drawing attention to your game is still external, and ideally via targeted marketing campaigns. Specifically you find some Youtubers that have an audience that your game is likely to appeal to and you sponsor videos. The increased traffic that brings should float the game to the relevant discover queue etc on the Steam store page from there. Alternatively you are banking on putting out trailers/gameplay stuff on content platforms to also try and drive traffic. Either way banking solely upon the Steam store page without any extra effort put in is always doomed to fail to begin with.
>>741333563>but I do think that in general AI speaks to a lack of effortOnly potentially.AI saves time.What do you do with time?You do MORE.
>>741336026I think sovl speaks more about the heart of the creator than any technical element. That's why it can be ascribed to anything, from super crude and amateurish to professionally made. The work never seems to betray the true intent behind it.
>>741333321They have souls. You know how Bubba Ho-Tep sucks your soul out through your asshole? It's like the reverse of that, with someone helpfully packing your soul back inside you. Naturally this doesn't imply to women but they don't have souls to begin with so it's a moot point
>>741333021INDIEEARLY ACCESSROGUELIKE DECKBUILDING CRAFTING SURVIVORS
Steam doesn't care when you use Ai to code. You only need to declare Ai use when the player interacts with Ai content during gameplay.
>>741336502so what you're saying is it's more like 90%
respect my INTROVERT nature and social anxiety NOWI will NOT hire an artistyou will NOT make meFUCK YOU
>>741333021>if you strike lightning in a bottle and your game is a success, there will be a shitload of AI copycats within daysPeople love to say this but when was the last time a copycat or bootlegger had a breakout success?>inb4 Palworldlmao no
>>741333021Make a good game and it will outshine the AI garbage.Most indie devs fail the first part.
>>741335736Yeah, I'd imagine that furry artists have been hit the hardest by AI. It used to be that any talentless hack of an "artist" could make big bucks off of furries by making low effort fetish slop, but now furries can just use AI to make higher quality slop for free than what those "artists" could make.
>>741336415leftists don't have souls
>>741335672That's how I feel too, AI is just such a nice learning tool. People who don't understand this are frankly just bad at learning.
>>741333021who cares about this if the game's good?
>>741333589why do you hate it?
>>741333021regular devs didn't disapear, the AI is just extra content from india on an already bloated platform
I still don't understand why Steam doesn't make people pay to upload a game. even a mere 5000 dollars would cull that botted shit.
>>741333021And every single one of them likely committed copyright infringement in doing so.
I want to make a WEG about a human man having sex with goblin women, what's the best gen AI tool for producing images like that?
>>741337585You have to pay like 100 burgers to upload a game.
>>741336549More like 99+% if you count even a single use of AI for coding or concept art. Technically 100% if you count using google, since it uses AI for the searches.
>>741337412NTA but it's mostly low quality content.i'm not one of those fart huffers who will say>it's bad because the artist imparts a piece of their soul onto the canvasbut rather most AI users are low effort individuals and their games almost always show it.If someone was actually passionate about something they would look into a means to produce it right rather than spend 50 bucks and send a few generic prompts until they get something vaguely workable and calling it good enough.It's the same reason why prior to AI people would deride asset flips.
Here's your ai game
>>741333021They never would have made anything of value prior to AI anyway. Now we'll get rose tinted glasses about the pre AI gen years and terrible games like Minecraft, Super Meatboy, Fez and Johnathan Blow slop heralded as the "golden era" as kings on their thrones on top of a mountain of (pixel)shit.
>>741333021This article fails to mention that all of those are disposable AI generated porn games.
The only way to sell games nowadays is having some kind of internet following before release (devlogs, art, music, etc)
Why would I buy your AI game instead of generating my own
>>741338073I should have made a game when I was a small /v/ drawfag celebrity with a deeply autistic following 10 years ago...
>>741338123that's wave 2. AI is currently spread and free because it needs your data to learn. Then the owners will close the platforms and directly deal with the customers so they can ask for infinite shows and games from their AI megacenters without no coders nor artists at all. All the "learn to prompt bro" are gonna be jobless sooner than they think. The future is IA netflix for each media and that's it. "shows" will be paid service where an user can put money to save the results of his latest random generation, and pay more to share them to people
>>741335902yes. anything worth a damn needs a guiding hand or else you get that word that's synonymous with thoughtlessly digestable grey sludge that sends you AI pakis into a frenzy when someone dares to utter it. same reason why asset flips before AI were rightfully derided as hard
>>741336057they will because they won't be able at get it anywhere else
>>741335554People are just being retarded.Steam does a great job hiding all the sloppa regardless of how much they increase YoY.
>>741334528its like 3but still
>>741333494>its damaging the environment and sucking record amounts of water and energyNobody ACTUALLY gives a fuck about that.
>>741335902Effort is required to make something that is good
>>741333021>generative ai for making assetsshan'tt. _@^..^
>>741333321Shut the fuck up, pajeet.
>>741333021Blame mitchmanix
>>741333242>shillwhat is he shilling?
>>741333563This mind set will go away I think
there is literally no need to worry about AI games flooding yours out when most of them look like thisthat said if you really want success then you better have something really cool or interesting to show off. a lot of indie devs who bitch about not being noticed are just copying their favorite nintendo/capcom games without enough effort in visuals or gameplay to make them stand out
>>741341178good morning saarim
>>741336502>remember that npc ai also counts as ai and must be declared
As if before AI, they didn't already face the issue of struggling to be noticed among a sea of other releases?Even if you all these games were objectively good titles that clearly had real passion poured into them, for each dev the problem would STILL remain. It's just a gigantic market now, and everyone is clamoring for space in the one storefront
>>741333021>you have a very small chance of anyone noticing your game among the AI slopfestthis isn't really a barrier, there's a bunch of things you need to do increase your chances of a successful game and only one of them is actually building the game itself.you could make the next Elden Ring and release it tomorrow and no one would play it and this was true even 5-10 years ago.you need to pester youtubers and lets players and post on reddit and do a bunch of other shit to get people playing your game so it's boosted in the steam algo on release.there being 10000 AI games sitting there has no effect on your success.
>>741333321Only jeets and other lazy, low-IQ subhumans like AI. Normal people and troons are on the same side on this issue
reminder that the following uses ai code now>windows>linux>mac>nvidia and amd drivers(and hardware too)>unreal/unity/godotso unless you create your own bare metal os with your own custom gpu and drivers, and your own engine and then sell that to your players without using google or cloudflare or steam.then you use ai now
>>741337902>$99.99 before the sale
If they arent going to ban this pathetic talentless shit from their store they should add an option to hide any and all AI slop. Actually you know what, hardware ban every single steam account that has an AI game in their library. and then geoblock India, Pakistan, China and the US from using Steam for the next 1000 years
>>741333494>even though its destroyed the pc and console hardware marketThat was crypto... And covid...This is just the new scam of the week. You will own nothing and be happy.
>>741341664>luddite is also a racist
>>741333321>"people" with no artistic talent will produce endless waves of slop, devaluing effort and contributing to the uglification of everything you know and loveI wonder
AI is not "good" or "bad." It simply is a fact of life now, because the technology exists. Railing against AI is like railing against the steam engine.
Sometimes I wonder if people actuqlly use Steam because I never find AI slop unless I seek them out
some brown thirdie can just copy your shit, remix it on slop machine and sell it as his own
>>741338250Fupoo?
>>741341440"Normal" people that aren't always online don't give 2 shits about AI.
>>741337412what an insincere question holy jeet
>>741341565money laundering scheme
>>741336026>flaws doGood news, AI is very flawed as well. You need to tardwrangle it through 200 attempts before it shits out something vaguely acceptable. And even then, it's often still flawed
>>741341772That's nice, I'm still not going to consume it.
In what way is gen AI worse than the store market asset flips they've been making for decades already?
AI will improve But you won't
>>741342552Yeah you will lmao, guaranteed you already have.Nobody noticed E33 used it for a year and not until after it won awards.
>>741333321Indians
>>741342586Exactly, you shouldn't buy either.
for me its tiktok AI slop minidramas with strong themes like rape, mutilation and bad endings
>>741338123Thats how its gonna be. This is just people trying to make $$ before that happens.I know people who are music fanatics and now use suno. They just gen their shit tailored to exactly what they want and dont buy any music. kekSame is gonna happen with gaming and everywhere else.
>>741341731>waves of slop, devaluing effort and contributing to the uglification of everything you know and lovebut enough about the state of the industry
>>741333321Saar doo the needful bloody bitch tranny pakistani
>>741342808Yes the state of the industry is bad, so we should make it even worse, and create a culture that is literally soulless and rub by machines. It's what Lord Moloch demands. Praise Saturn!
>>741342737Well I haven't bought any asset flips, I'm asking how the situation is worse. It seems better to me because at least AI can have some creativity whereas asset flips are literal effortless dogshit.Both are easy to ignore though so why are people throwing a huge stink over the latter and not the former?Really makes you think.
>>741342873if there was an upwards trend of quality in the industry and genAI was threatening to negatively impact that i would agree with you. but that's not the case. the industry is already in the shitter and it's the fault of human (lead)designers who can't agree on a direction for their project which leads to 5, 6, 10 years of preproduction where the game is scrapped twice and still comes out in a broke and unfinished state. if genAI manages to help smaller teams and makes bigger teams games come out quicker, i'm all for that. and if all it does is kill a couple positions of talentless hacks who just wanted to live the dream of a cushy 6 figure job drawing and talking about art all day, i'd be happy with that as well.
>>741343081He's not going to engage with that line of argumentation
>>741333021Based. Hope we'll get to 99% soon!
>>741343136i know
>>741333494Pro AI faggots are primarily cuckolds who have never achieved anything. They don't even like the hobby they exercise here, namely video games. It's complete retardation and those freaks are fueled by outrage alone. I bet they don't even play video games and only blow their lifesaving on gacha.
>>741343397Tranny coded post.
>>741333021Unreal Engine and Unity (and probably most other engines) are developed with AI these days. Eventually if you use any modern game engine it would have been built with AI and most games by extension will have been built with AI.
>>741333021The indie devs are the ones generating the AI art you dumb fuck
>>741343442Looks like your ego got bruised. You will never achieve anything. Lmao
>>741341731But trannies make talentless intentionally ugly art to be "revolutionary" and now you bitch because the machine can make something that sane people want to look atseriously consider suicide
>>741336026you worship ugliness kek
>>741343525>tranny reaction imageGood luck in your transition.
>>741343529you sound like tranny in denial
>>741333021Every goldrush ends with 95% losing greatly. sloppers will give up after their shit doesn't sell and I who harvested my skills for years will emerge victorious.I am completely unbothered.
>>741339523I always check for that in their lists. If I see that one anywhere near their reasons I know they're a resentful artist running cover behind what they think is a socially acceptable reason rather than giving the actual reason.
>>741343572Good morning, sir!
>>741333494It's also helping kill tech jobs, which coincidentally used to be dominated by men too.
>>741342324Because they're basically cattle
>>741343626>sirsaaaaaaar
AI is in a funny spot, you either use it significantly but nobody wants it because it looks like cheap or shit you use it so sparanglingly people wonder why you even used it in the first place. As well as the fact that you still have to tard wrangle it you're honestly just better off making the game yourself.
>>741343529No, the machine floods the internet with even more slop and is making internet as a whole even more sterile, souless and moderated. Die pajeet.
>>741343618Reminder that AIniggers are so obsessed with le artists because Indians get told that creatives are from a higher caste.
promptoids are so patheticand even if you have a trillion bux everyone hates you and thinks you're autistictruly sad existences
>>741343081>if genAI manages to help smaller teams and makes bigger teams games come out quicker, i'm all for that.2 moreweeks
>>741334368>AI is so good the only alternative explanation is a multi-billion dollar advertising campaignLouis Rossman just admitted he uses AI because it's so good btw
>>741333494>record amounts of waterUmm source?
>>741343602You sound like a projecting retard.
Seriously though, what can we do about it?Just not consume AI made products?Even bigger names like E33 and Larian are using it, and I'm sure Microsoft, Sony and others are just quiet about it.So how can we really ignore it? Seems like the real answer is to adapt
>>741333321It looks like shit>>741343529>hard core right wingers only know how to produce 1girl standing illustrious/noobai sloppa in the style of krekkov>left wing faggots only know how to make the most offensive and ugly things to ever grace human perception in an attempt to lower the bar l and have people accept their uglinessI suppose AI is superior in this scenario but I want neither of these outcomesThankfully good games with sexy characters are still being made so who gives a fuck anyways
>>74133302140% admitted it, 60% lied
>>741343807>if if if if ifbecause there is no downside to genAI. assets are already shit. the biggest games are full of store bought UE5 trash. even if it doesn't do anything positive it doesn't change the state of the industry.
>>741343820Oh wow, some celebrity said that he's into a popular thing. Guess NFT's were actually heccin awesome too because all the brands and celebs were killing each other to get into that shit.
I only care if the visuals are AI you can vibecode to your hearts content if at the end of the day it makes me cum
>>741343860Do the same thing we already do with unity/unreal asset flips and lazy shovelware.
>>741343958NFTs and AI are not the same. One was a blatant scam, whereas AI is a direct path to post-scarcity abundance.
>>741333321Without going into details, I am in charge of hiring and managing a design oriented team. AI is good, tremendously good, at regurgitating existing content, but it can't create anything new. However artists in general are more or less the same except very expensive and very slow in comparison. In the case of alphabet people, as you call them, they truly enjoy creating problems, friction and drama, specially if you mix two or more of them in the same team. Getting rid of them is a very easy choice for us.I can confirm that we no longer require musicians or illustrators. Most voice work is AI as well, but we still outsource a few items from time to time.That does not mean AI can do anything, AI for pro video content is still imperfect, slow, expensive and too temperamental for serious use. Our customers can't tell if a music track came from Suno, and they honestly don't care, but they just won't accept AI video slop, it just does not work for them. The managerial class is still mostly untouched, but it is a matter of time. As of now, there is a massive gap between the ones who actively use AI, like me, and the ones who do it classic, and thats without taking into account the useless, dead weight managers that plague every department. We will see how things evolve.On the other hand, what we desperately need is truly creative people, people who can bring something new to the mix instead of giving us yet another iteration of the same old crap, but they are exceedingly rare. We simply can't find enough of them.>tl;dr get a trad job
>>741342552lol
genAI doesn't worry me since i have fun making the indie games i make
>>741343908Fatfags disgust me more than AI.
>>741333021That's nice!I'm still not using nor buying products using AI
>>741344391Noooooooo, but think about the money and attention! You can't just... just do it out of passion!
>>741344223>post-scarcityself-created scarcity because of useless shit and extravagant waste, which AI is also producing now
>>741344459is that your vn? how far along are you?
>>741333021Steam is not your marketing department. Its a store.Indie devs should market their games on their own.
>>741344459>gay furry autist hates AII laugh every time.
>>741333021If AI makes better games than you then tough shit. That's competition. People will buy what interests them and they enjoy. Make something people enjoy. That simple.
>>741333021AI is a tool, where are you backward idiots going to realize that..
>>741343836
>>741340621AI
>>741344708Chink agitprop working full time i see.
>>741344459Is the main character a human male that pounds that serval?
>Why don't you want to search through a pile of shit every time you want to find a good game?>Why don't you want Steam's store to have a low quality impression?Yeah, I can't see this ending well.
>>741344538>Smelly Indian loves AII giggle
I'm always amused when AIjeets go "OK BUT WHY MORE TRASH BAD WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TRASH?!"Because I DON'T want more trash. Dumbass.
>>741344876Everyone will make their cheap slop, nobody will buy it, and then Steam will eventually give people the option to filter out AI, it's basic economics, you can't have infinite supply and zero demand. I doubt companies will move fast with it but an AI filter is inevitable because nobody wants to wade through shit (except Indians).Talent and creativity always wins. Sorry jeets.
>>741344749>tell somebody to use a search engine like everybody fucking does>it's now "shill"-ing search engines...
>>741344958>I giggleI'm sure you do, queer.
>>741333021Just make good games and you'll get noticed
>>741333021https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/ai-content-filter-for-steam/
>>741344307>AI is good, tremendously good, at regurgitating existing content, but it can't create anything newpeople always say this but can you give an example of something "new" ai couldnt do?
>>741333021AI made it easier for me to discern lazy slop from anything that has a chance of being fun for me.Like, it was already hard to sweep through shovelware, now you just have lazy images making it even easier to spot
>>741345162Anon, that's a very funny joke.
>>741333021More hidden gems to find I guess?
>>741333021A shit dev will make a shit game regardless of AI use
>>741344601I think this is a fair argument in a vacuum but some level of quality control would be nice. Maybe we need AI to play through all the games to tell us which ones are actually good.
>>741344860If it's the one I'm thinking of the main character is an asexual enby man
>>741333021It's literally no different from asset flips and sticks out exactly as much of a small thumb. I don't think this affects the average dev - it does mean that "open" events/avenues like Next Fest or Discovery Queue are worthless both to gamers and developers since they're so clogged with pure fucking slop, but that was already the case, ruskies and BRs just started burning tokens instead of pirating asset packs. They're probably still pirating packs.Pic unrelated, a reward for reading the post.
>>741344601The problem is AI isn't making game, all these AI games are mostly either shit or games with hardly any AI in them. Like faggots call expedition 33 an AI game just because it had a few AI assets. Retards on this board, pro and anti AI, have no fucking clue what an AI game really is and just assume it's an entire game made by AI which is so fucking stupid it's borderline insanity.
>>741345212i didnt want to come across as a smug faggot chortling at the irony of my question but im genuinely serious lol. you/that guy said hes managing a design team, please give an example of something new the team designed that they couldnt have possibly used ai for. art never comes out of nowhere, its always "hey i like x y and z what if i mashed them together" which is something ai excels at too? i dont get it
>AI is bad>Game stagnation since 2010>sequel remake sequel remake>music used from the 60s to the 2010s nothing new>but AI is bad and uncreative>GTA 5 on 6 consoles>OOT remake for the 3rd time>E33 and its use of ai Im tired
>>741345460>sequel remakeI wish this was a new problem.Every entertainment industry after the initial few years has fallen into that trap of 'just do more of what the previous people did'.If you break down sales, whether it be movies, music, games, comics, anything, it's always the people retreading old water who are making the most, with only a handful of the hundreds or thousands attempts at something original actually breaking through.It always feels like more than it is because looking back at the past we look at years of new/original releases, when at the time it felt like just same old trash again and again save for that one new thing your weirdo friend is obsessing over.
>>741345460you have to push deep into the niche for great games nowadays. the good devs are still creating interesting game play and pushing the limits.like what the fuck is this dev doing?https://store.steampowered.com/app/4576510/Casualties_Unknown_Demo/
This literally isnt a problem
>>741333021>use ai to make development faster and easier>game cost more for some reason
>>741344876>why is there so much stuff in supermarket? i don't want to browse through it and choose!
>>741345398Not the design team anon but I am a dev in a small team.You don't take x, y and z and mix them together like a crafting recipe, it's more nuanced and it's fundementally about what it communicates to the player - what are you trying to make them FEEL. Is your character supposed to be intimidating, is it supposed to evoke safety? I think TF2, Deadlock, and old Overwatch are great examples of distilled character design. That nuance is difficult to prompt, and by its very nature AI is an interpolation tool, not an extrapolation tool - something "new" has to be something that doesn't exist, and therefore there's no training data for it. You could try smashing 3,4+ things that already exist and you'll get something semi-original, but you'll also get something very messy and incoherent.
>>741345612>>741345654A second helping of shit, sahuurs?
>>741345693I've browsed Steam weekly for years now and unless you go out of your way, the shovelware and AI slop barely registers if at all.
>>741345657but ai is trained on the words "intimidating" and "evokes safety". you can prompt it and add in whatever style loras and concepts to mash something togetherfor what its worth i dont think any raw ai output is good enough on its own for anything. getting something thats 90% right and making some lazy edits means its successfully made by ai to me. you could get ai to spit out a character, think "hmm he doesnt look intimidating enough, let me change some proportions and colors". ai is a tool that lets artist skip grunt work, they still have to use their brains at some point
serious question, how is /v/ FILLED with AI cocksuckers?
>>741333174Sir, this is a Wendy's
>>741346004Oh I see what you're saying, you could get part of the way there and then refinement is the human-involved stage. My counter to that is you circle the same drain as everyone else. When you concept art, when you define what's intimidating or secure, that's based on your experienced, not the average collective of a model's training data. AI in this instance would make everyone drink from the same well.Plus, and this personal, character design is like my favourite part of making ANYTHING, outsourcing that process to a model is just not worth it from a fun perspective. Really getting to play around with a pen and just throw random stuff things around, actually feeling each stroke shape the next, that's so enjoyable, much moreso than typing "look scarier".
>>741344307>we no longer require illustrators>need truly creative peopleartists are the creative people retard
>>741345460>E33 and its use of AIYou're so dishonest it's disgusting.
>>741346191>someone who can reproduce or mashup existing concepts and artstyles and someone who can come up with something entirely new are the same thing.Is this the point you are trying to make?
>>741345693Shovelware is the same dreadful quality ai or not. If you want curated boutique instead of flea market kindly fuck off to apple walled garden and stay there.t. browsed through the entirety of every steam next fest since its inception
>>741346478Why would I want exponentially more shovelware shoved in my face though? I don't want a walled garden I want to be able to say that AI products don't interest me and for the store to hide them from me.
>>741346191Most artists think they are but they really aren't and ai showed that. Truly genuine creators will always be above it, everybody else who sleepwalked through arts degree will get drowned and good riddance.
>>741346143but would anyone actually prompt "look scarier"? anyone serious about designing things ought to be able to break down the nuanced concept of "looks scarier" into different things you want to appear in the ais generation, and you can easily prompt those things. if i wanted a knight to look scarier id prompt "skull helmet, fire and smoke eyeballs, horns, spikes, black armor", not just "looks scarier". id still prompt the rough version of what im seeing in my mind, but im able to break it down into tiny pieces that the ai understandsidk. i dont really know the exact words for my opinion or what im complaining about. but i think most anti ai arguments are tautologically flawed. like it boils down to "low quality/low effort stuff is bad" which is universally true no matter what tool you use. can a basic chatgpt prompt make something new? probably not, 99% of the time. can a massive comfyui prompt with loras and control nets and detailers and refiners and inpainting make something new? yeah, but thats a lot more effort than prompting chatgpt, and i doubt its what anti ai people are thinking of when they gripe about ai
Is there a “made without AI” tag?
the only way to beat ai is to make games outside of its guardrailsanon, why aren't you making games about rape, genocide and crimes against humanity?
>>741346538>i don't want walled garden>but i want walled gardenThere are curators on steam already, just fucking use them. Steam also favors prominent games on its frontpage, you literally have to actively choose to look for shovelware to find it.
>>741346569Well it's interesting at the very least and you are making sense. For what it's worth, when I'm talking about AI "art" I am talking to the latest and greatest UIs, models, loras, finetuning etc - not just run of the mill.The argument for me is more philosophical. Why would I want someone else or something else to make it for me. Let's assume AI is perfect and a tool that far surpases humans in every way - I still wouldn't want it involved in what I consume or make for the same reason that if I was very rich I wouldn't pay professional artists to draw on my behalf. Everything you give to an AI is something you didn't get to do. I'm fine when that's a boring task, I'm not okay when it's a creative task. That's my view as a creator, and as a consumer I also want to know that a mind like my own authored something - not just a GPU farm. I think low quality and AI are synonymous right now but even when it's not I still don't want it.
>>741346749So you agree that the walled garden approach is better yet you decry it, what are you actually bitching about retard?
>>741346195Your favorite game is slop
Look at this telegram AI circlejerk. Good morning, sars!
>>741346807Don't even like E33 you're just a baiting jeet
>>741333021Only chance is to put your game on Next Fest and other trade shows like PAX. AI companies won't bother with that.
>>741333021Actually indies can hire the marketing agencies directly for far less than you would think but yeah steam needs an ai art filter. Convenience breeds laziness and mediocrity
>>741333174What the fuck kind of brain damage do you have
>>741347570>steam needs an ai art filterGiven the current AI adoption rate this might be pointless.
>>741341664>pathetic talentless shit That's my view of every indie dev and their capabilities. Therefore i believe you are rightfully being drowned until you can produce something of worth. You find it hard to be noticed but that's a result of your amateur mediocrity partially. It's not that the games doing well aren't effortless dogshit either. It's just that even those who believe they're trying are just making garbage anyway. You've lowered the bar on standards for a long time.Made up all of the excuses in the book for the reason why your games don't actually suck or aren't all forgettable is that's in early access, it's in a beta and you're a small team as for the reasons you have not made a single memorable thing that isn't just a clone of something else or just simply not interesting to play like games of the past developed at a professional level.
>>741347717We still have plenty of retarded luddites till then
>>741333021>gabe openly laughed and said his reason for inventing steam was to stop people selling half-life 2, a single player game, that lasts about 8 hours by making it tied to your email account to help kill reselling games on PC>decides to implement a scam system where you can rent games in 'early access' that are just done with stolen assets and paying some Indian $3 an hour to make over a weekend and then abandon it after getting thousands via scamming>enhances this buy encouaging the use of AI slopGaben is based for killing PC gaming
>>741345162Or better yet, ask them what a human could create that's new at this point.Or just post an AI/human made image and lie about which one created it and watch them all shit themselves because they can't tell.
>>741346195E33 used AI no matter how hard you cope over it.
I don't care.I'm gonna run head first into the AI tsunami because I love video games.I just registered for steamworks and hopefully can get my store page set up soon. There's a Pins & Pegs fes coming on August, and I want to join that.
>>741346613Not yet. But it will happen eventually, Valve can't ignore the problem forever since it will fuck them up in the long run if they don't do something.
>>741338123you severely underestimate the work that goes into making even promptslop look good. Most people that never proompted do. There's a reason most of it looks like glossy inconsistent slop, that's because that's what you get without hours of inpainting work.And that's also why most aislop games look like fucking shit, because they're made by people with shit for eyes unable to see the flaws in what they prompted or without the artistic sensibilities and skills to make it look right. Current generative AI is useful if you're already an artist, it's shit if you're a talentless ideas' man.
>>741333906Code being genned is fine so long as it works in the end, I just wouldn't trust a multiplayer game since vulnerabilities can mean executable code can be passed around. Good code vs bad code is indiscernible so long as it's not overtly buggy or unoptimizedAssets being genned is a different story, AI still has that generic feel to it
>>741348438 >
>>741348510>Good code vs bad code is indiscernible >or unoptimizedyeah about thatyou expect a vibecoder to know shit about what they need to optimize for ?
>>741333021>RIP new indie devsgood and nobody cares you retard
>>741348551>no arguementyeah sounds about right
all i know is that i'm at the point where i prefer generative content over that made by tumblr looniesit is utterly cathartic being able to make my own shit whenever i want and however i want **within seconds** instead of having to deal with moody artists for months at a time to get a single fucking piece for hundreds of fucking dollars
AI art is shit and I hate it, but the problem is that most "real art" is made by cucked leftists and I hate it even more.
>>741348780there's no way that pic took seconds, that screen display isn't something you can simply prompt for.
>the wave of slop switches from asset flips to AI because that's even less effort>/v/ celebrates more, even lower effort slopNever again tell anyone you care about good games.
>>741349029nothing takes less effort than asset flips, definitionally. You can't do less effort than using something that already exists.
>>741349029I literally do not care how much effort was put into something. I only care about how it looks and how it plays. If both things are to my liking, I see no problem.This obsession with "effort" and "time" as if they were vectors of qualities is primitive behavior. Modern civilization is built on making things easier to make, not protecting obsolete techniques for no other reason than tradition.You guys are as bad as christcucks.
>>741348967i'll just say novelai is worth every penny if you don't have the patience for local setup, their vibe transfer/precision ref shit with inpainting saves so much time
>>741346854>you're a jeet if you mention x!!Kek, slop is slop anon.
>>741349281Wait, say more, I've only worked locally so far and I've been looking into my options to streamline the process.Does this novelai service cover some form of lora training / character consistency service ?
>>741349348>Does this novelai service cover some form of lora trainingit has a bunch of artist names trained into it, like ::andava::, ::rapscallion::, ::eigaka::, whatever really. it doesn't use lora checkpoints because it doesn't really need iti think they scrape boorus and e621 for art-by-name so you can request and mix a bunch of different stylesor just upload an image to extract from like picrel
>>741349525not really what I asked, that's pretty normal stuff for models, I meant in the sense that can I, for example, build a sample of reference pics of a recognizable character, and trust their model to get the little details right ?
>>741349641yes - that's more or less exactly what the vibe/reference tool is for, sorry i didn't explain it very well
>>741333321>ai is good because troons hate itjesus /v/ is so fucking retarded
>>741333149>>741333321>>741333379>>741333471SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>741333021If these AI fags turn Steam into another exhentai with non-stop AI crap flooding the page, I'm going to be even more pissed.
It's not that bad, when you see the average quality of productions through the use of AI (usually from its most aggressive defenders) it will filter itself over time. You can already see this on YT on things like ChatGPT-generated thumbnails that all look alike. Steam is already algorithm driven outside of mainstream releases so you only see a tiny part of what is truly made. What AI will do (or already is doing) is lower the barrier of entry, but when you look at non-limited Steam releases over the years it's been increasing but not by a lot. I don't expect that to change because time & attention of customers is limited, the people that learn to use the new tools efficiently will be the one to profit but the standards for a successful release will remain the same.I'm more worried by all the people (again, the most vehement pro-AI people) that only see this as a get rich quick scheme when they realize that even after the arrival of all these incredible and powerful tools they still can't quite make it, because they are simply not good enough themselves. I imagine they will grow even more frustrated and aggressive when the fame and money that was promised to them 500 years ago doesn't fall into their lap.
>>741333174that brand of slime you're fond ofis going to come back in style
>>741349928exhentai died with the purge, it was shit ever since its rotting corpse got resurrected.
>>741350070Do sloptards have a single other argument besides "thing has a lot of shit so who cares if there's exponentially even more shit"
>>741333589if you can't see the potential of it you are a retard
>>741349335poo is poo, jeet
>>741347971You view the world as a binary because it's easier for your subhuman mind to comprehend so let me ask you binary question: is there a single asset in the game right now that was made with AI? Y/N?
>>741348559Ai can generally avoid such mistakes, and even then it can help vibe coders debugI don't think it's better than an actual professional, but there's plenty of indie devs that barely know what they're doing code-wise but it doesn't matter because it's a pixel game
>>741348780How long have you been proompting? I was able to get good results and in the end it just felt so hollow that I genuinely just learned to draw. It's slower, worse in many ways, but the pleasure/joy is like incomparable, it feels like I've opened up brand new ways of seeing the world.
AI unironically made me NOT want to make a game anymore.It's just not fun when there's a billion jeets using claude to code for them.This is the real video game market crash.
>>741351014yes and no. The main problem with AIs and unqualified personnel is that AIs take limited initiatives. They will take some, especially if you ask them to check for mistakes, but even in an agentic workflow they can kinda lack big picture foresight on the project. This makes optimization hard because if the prompter doesn't know what they're doing, because how much the AI can help them is limited not by the AI being dumb, but by the necessary shackling they are under.
>>741350194It got overtaken by ai and slopified exactly because only absolute newfag retards stayed there after its resurrection, everyone with brain moved on to other alternatives.
>>741351127yeah i don't mean to devalue the process of artistry, my frustration just stems from the act of commissioning said artists - complacency is a bitch and these people have somehow turned a paid labor into a psychiatry session of having to encourage and soothe them through the act of drawing a character reference nearly every fucken time>How long have you been proompting?honestly not that long, year or two maybe. i was using slop like nanobanana/perchance for awhile until i got bullied into NAI
>>741344307>On the other hand, what we desperately need is truly creative people, people who can bring something new to the mix instead of giving us yet another iteration of the same old crap, but they are exceedingly rare. We simply can't find enough of them.And how do you think these come to existence if not by being able to work artistic jobs for a living and learn for years and years while doing it? You think you're going to find a "creative" working Uber and McDonalds?
>>741350897AI was used in development no matter how hard you cope over it. More and more devs will use AI, including good games, and you know that, so you cope over it. Keep coping, it won't stop the tide.
>>741352108So no, I accept your concession jeet-kun.
>>741352181You lost, and you'll stay losing. Accept it and move on or keep burying your head in the sand, nothing will change either way.
>>741351936Oh yeah totally I was more curious if you'd ever reached promting burnout. Artists (and any comission-based profession) is a pain in the ass to deal with. I've been lucky with my comms (mostly on skeb, Japs just get the job done) but I've heard horror-stories like what you're describing.I don't know if it's safeguards built into the models but I was never able to get like extreme fetish stuff working so that was also another drive towards drawing.
>>741337412Because it's low quality garbage that has flooded everything and ruined the price of computer parts
>>741352237>can't point to a single asset made using AICope more jeet
>>741349842Where did I say that?
>>741333021>40% of new releases brand themselves as insta-no-buy to a majority of Steam usersAnd another 40% is wokeslop anyway. Sounds like a golden opportunity to release good games with the competition ack-ing themselves this badly.
>>741333563AI is just the new asset store flip product. The same people making games with AI were making all those "nigger clothing store simulator" shovelware.
>>741333021>you have a very small chance of anyone noticing your game among the AI slopfestActually, the opposite is true.When everyone is using the same solution, those who stray from the norm end up standing out more.It's like with RPG Maker: everyone uses the program's default graphics (the famous RTP), so when someone finally designs their own characters and tilesets, their game immediately stands out.
>>741342368>appeal to triviality>ad hominemkek, keep dilating. Maybe some day you'll be able to have a proper conversation with anything else but your chatbot gf.
>>741349928It's died down a lot after most jeets realized they can't make money with it, and their galleries get reported and 0-starred to oblivion.
My story:>making an adult game>AI technologies start to emerge>I decide to finish my game first and migrate to the new technology once it's more mature>I finally finish my project, time to migrate to the new technologies>I read comments, and everyone’s complaining because all the new games coming out are AI-based>some people commenting on my old game that even though it’s not that great, at least it’s not AI, LOL>I set AI aside and start working with the old method, and even though I’m no master, I now have an artistic edge over most of the games flooding the AI sites>I only use AI now to watch my real-life female friends getting bukkakes from 10 cocks at the same time (which is actually pretty unsatisfying because their faces always change subtly, and in the end, it never really looks like the real girl is there)
I wonder how many GenAI cocksuckers actually have GenAI games in the libraries, and aren't just hoping someone buys theirs.
>>741342368Its a completely reasonable question
>>741353502Cool story bro (genuinely)
>>741352684If they see it sure, which is a gamble on its own unless you go out of your way to bootlick streamers and events for exposure.
>>741333174These new street fighter 6 characters look a bit odd
>>741350070>exhentai purgeThere was a purge?Been a while since I've kept up with hentai stuff, do people still use nhentai as the main alternative?
>>741352339>I was more curious if you'd ever reached promting burnoutnta, but I don't really get burnout prompting. For reference I just checked that I have a SD output folder for 318 of the last 365 days. I'm mostly using it for fun and to make cute stuff. Even if a good chuck of the stuff I gen is nsfw, I rarely end up fapping to it. I've realized over the years that I really appreciate how some artist are able to clearly express an ideas/themes/fetishes through their arts. It just ends up feeling a lot more guided and purposeful then whatever you get from AI. It also doesn't really help that the vast majority of AI prompters don't care enough about their stuff to fix the small details that the AI usually fucks up, like the eyes. It only takes a few minutes in an image editing software to fix, but that is to bothersome for the majority of prompters sadly. >I don't know if it's safeguards built into the models but I was never able to get like extreme fetish stuff workingMost offline models can do most extreme fetish stuff, as long as it mostly a visual fetish and isn't extremely niche.>so that was also another drive towards drawing.I also started drawing after using SD for a while. I just see actually drawing and AI stuff as to separate hobbies that don't really have to be at each others throat.
>>741333321>Spend years working on a game>Release it>It generates some buzz>Two days later, a dozen copycats crop up, they're all shit, but they cost half as much as your game.>Your game loses 60% of its potential sales to shitters who put in zero effort>The majority of players are playing one dogshit version or another instead of your good one>No one is happy, everything sucks, and your hard work and good idea go mostly unrewarded>Ranjesh and Dilpreet, who slapped together the copies, live like kings in India for about four months, until their ~$15,000 windfall dries up>They try it a couple more times with other people's games, but they never hit it as big again and have to go back to the call center to scam old ladies out of gift cards.No one wins.
>>741354550it's my go-to, yeah
>>741354691I'm glad you were able to appreciate art more because of it - I think that's what happened with me too you really learn to appreciate how composition, colour, lighting, etc etc is. For me the burnout was quite literal, I had a GPU blow from doing it and even when I got a new one I was like what am I actually trying to achieve with this.In the 1-2 years I proompted I feel like all I got were nice images, I didn't really grow or develop new skills, and I think that's what motivated me to change. I like developing something I feel restless if I feel like I'm wasting my time. No judgement to those who still prompt ofc, just sharing my experience because I feel like it isn't discussed enough, everything is so AI-bad or AI-good.
Is it just creators who complain about this?I mean in their case i get it, their income is at stake.And influencer because they are probably friends with said artfags/creators.I just want cool games. Everything is so without soul I actually think AI might be an improvement.At least on terms what I can do with local ai already its crazy.I have a pipeline to auto translate old jap livemaker/rpgmakerxp games. Decrypt everything with a bunch of vibesloped python scripts, translate, put it back together.Best part is I can tell it to translate like a animefansubber from 2006 and thats kinda what you get. Translators are finished. I doubt games are gonna be translated by humans in a couple years.Would post video but dont wanna get /v/anned.
>>741355384I love seeing translations that say >She opened his pants and>This line is vulgar and not suitable for me to print
Why are AI "Artists" so insufferably smug
>>741351980Creativity is a trait, not a skill.
It speaks volumes these jeet grifters fail to ever name one (1) single good AI-made game, it's always>erm hitler breathed air so youre hitlertier reductionism.
>>741355617LMFAO
>>741355571Thats not an issue at least locally with gemma4. I can control things including the sys prompt. Never saw a refusal and I played 2 games involving high school settings.https://files.catbox.moe/4tthrn.webm
It is genuinely really depressing how we automated all creative work
>>741333494That only happens in America tho, so I don't care
>>741346762Can you really call yourself an artist if you didn't manufacture your own pigments?
>>741333571>AI is pushing a lot of people out of those fields. Connect the dots, my man.It's not just those fields. I work at a warehouse, done so for 20+ years. Couple years ago our parent company opened a 99% automated warehouse, in doing so they directly shut down 3 warehouses and laid off about 1000 people. There are another 30-40 of us human warehouses in our distribution network and shit has changed. Now everyone's jobs are on the line, we need to generate statistics that show we're faster and cheaper than that automated warehouse, and guess what, we're not. Middle management has pushed out higher productivity standards (which we're failing to hit), bottom management is just trying to keep everything running because if all the humans get fired their jobs are gone too. When the 400 people working at my warehouse get fired, nobody will notice. There will be no magic new AI jobs to replace these jobs. The future is fucked
>>741355923Yes I can, why?
>>741355793blame the miserable state of modern creatives
>>741337342Using it explicitly as a learning tool is close to best use, but still isn't what it should be used for. By using it strictly as a learning tool, you are using AI to train yourself on what AI itself is good at. AI excels at any knowledge task, but it lacks understanding and wisdom. You should only be using AI as a learning tool to gain just enough knowledge that your understanding and wisdom can function.
>>741355957Ok and? Just integrate AI into your workflow and increase your productivity. If you were a good warehouser you couldn't be replaced, just use all the tools at your disposal including AI, and when you're warehousing 1000 items per day you can be the warehouse guy instead of the other 999 losers.
>>741355957>we should stop progress because i am impacted by it and refuse to rise to the occasionGuess we should have banned cars too because of how many horse related jobs got destroyed by them. Fucking luddites.
This is a good thing as it encourages people to make truly special games instead of just farmslop
>>741354897Name 3 games this has happened to
>>741333321Sorry, Rajesh, but this is an issue that doesn't map onto the usual culture war lines. Tons of people dislike AI because of overexposure, overhype, terrible implementations of it (e.g. Windows 11), the massive price hikes on technology, loud annoying datacenters being built near people's homes, and the psychopath freak CEOs of AI companies doing constant media tours bragging about how many people their chatbots will put out of work and the "permanent underclass" they're creating. We have higher standards in the first world, so the benefits of AI are outweighed right now by the downsides.
>>741345582>gpt, design me a game with gameplay kinda like terraria, except with furry faggotry and classic roguelike bullshit "out fucking skilled" difficulty. Make it super edgy.That game could absolutely be designed by AI. People complain about AI taking existing things and mashing them together to make something new. That game is exactly that.
>>741356223Because you're relying on other people's technology for your art. Kind of like how the artist purist these days can't see the irony in them using a drawing tablet
>>741356902We've got high on century of living on plundered wealth of old world, time to get back to how it always was.
>>741354691lora?
>>741356451You idiots have no idea what AI replacing jobs mean, do you?
>>741357040I never said I wasn't relying on anyone else. Even when I got to make a sandwhich I'm relying on an enormous ecosystem of logistics that sourced the bread, the meat, the packaging, etc. Where's the irony in this?
>>741333021Based. I love AI an AI loves me.We need to accelerate.e/acc
>>741357157So therefore, an AI artist relying on an AI art tool and all the art that it was trained on made by other people is bad because.....?
>>741356451>and refuse to rise to the occasionI said we're failing, not me. I've obliterated their productivity requirements. But it's completely impossible for someone that hasn't been doing it for 10-20 years
>>741357120Enlighten me then. Because so far it is only seething about being put out of job when you can, as warehouse worker especially, become handyman quite easily and make decent money in a field that won't be affected by neither ai nor robotics for a good decade or two at the very least.
>>741357120They don't have jobs, they live on free government gibs due to mental disabilities
>>741357315>when you can, as warehouse worker especially, become handyman quite easilyOh my sweet summer child
>>741357242I didn't say it was bad either, what are you talking about? I think you're having an argument in your own head. I consider AI art to closer to comissioning (describing what you want) than art where you physically put your mind to paper/tablet etc.
>>741334368>In 2025 alone OpenAI spent 8 BILLION dollars on "marketing";How do they have that much money to spend on advertising? How do you even spend that much money on advertising? I've never seen a banner ad or a real life billboard for them.
>>741333321Because despite their mental illness they are white.
>>741357471>How do they have that much money to spend on advertising?retarded boomer investors
>>741357471Their 'marketing' is probably investing money into politicians and executives to convince them why taxpayer and company money should go forwards ChatGPT subscriptions
>>741333494the things about AI that bother me is that it fundamentally sucks shit, isn't actually getting better, and the pursuit of using it to cut corners has fucked the economy
>>741356451Do you remember when cars were invented and companies had to mandate car use against the will of their employees and get them to drive around in circles to fudge the numbers because if they didn't, investors would piss themselves and crash the global economy
>>741357931It is very good in limited areas and has gotten better very rapidly. That being said, the amount of money that's been sunk into AI is disgustingly disproportionate to the usefulness of it.
>>741357915Yeah, I was wondering how much of that cost is actually coming from the sales department or from the lobbyists as opposed to actually from the marketing department.
>>741357931It stuck out to me when they all said "once we're done training new models, costs go down!"Even though all AI need constant retraining so they don't turn into Tay.
>>741356426>Ok and? Just integrate AI into your workflow and increase your productivity. If you were a good warehouser you couldn't be replaced, just use all the tools at your disposal including AIYour knowledge about "how to implement AI onto labor" is worth at least a billion per day. Why have you not already done it, instead of suggesting a high school dropout hourly wagie somehow magic it into function
>>741341565literally tax deduction fraud
SoIf I'm pretty broke but local models aren't really cutting it...What is my best cheap server option as an indie dev to generate art assets, preferably all of them, for a 2D isometric game?
>>741344307Recombining known things into new things is 100% of all art anywaysYou can do that with a prompt, you just aren't creative enough
>>741357315>>741357356So firstly, you need to recognize that most of the human are drooling retards that can't even handle the simplest job properly.And now, their jobs are replaced by AI, and obviously they can't get more skill demanding jobs.What do you think they are gonna do?Lay down and die? Or destroy the society by constantly robbing, stealing and shits?
>>741333321Notice how the first few posts are all explaining why trannies hate AI then all the trannies come in later to try and save face. In reality there are many limits on what AI is good at. It struggles with anything original or complex. But most of these low level creatives lack the actual creativity to offer something the AI can't, which is why they feel threatened by it. Their skills are limited to depicting what other people tell them to, just like an AI itself. This is why you see many controversies of actually talented creatives experimenting with AI and subsequently being haranged by the trannies.
>>741356791PeakBingle BingleWhichever of those games where you clean old video game cartridges came first.You could also say Vampire Survivors and Balatro were impacted. They were just lucky enough to come out before the AI boom started, so they couldn't be undercut until they already sold well.
>>741358707Fair point, the #1 predictor for not committing crime is having a job.
>>741333021“Using” Ai doesn’t make the game completely an Ai game. Every dev from here on out will be using Ai to some capacity.
>>741357315>as warehouse worker especially, become handyman quite easilyHow does opening boxes and stocking shelves train you in making household repairs?
>>741333321Because they see themselves as “artists” and realize Ai is much better at it than them.
>>741358951And even if there's some low skills job left, guess what?Since AI took the mid skills jobs, and let's assume 50% of the people aren't gonna get higher skill jobs, they will then have to compete the very few low skill jobs with everybody, pushing the wages further down, and even more left with no jobs.Now, you don't even have to be a genius to know what's gonna happen when most of the people are constantly unhappy and depressed. And even worse, going homeless & hungry.
I hate Indians.
>>741333321Because they're useless dregs of society. Let me explain, you can be a normal people and make art, or music, or videogames as a sidejob and make money of it, but for these people, not only it's their main income, often it's their only solid defining attribute.They can be genderfluid, pansexual, asexual, any of these ghastly terms that today have one meaning and tomorrow mean something else, they probably swap sexual orientation and sexual identification more than they swap their underwears. But being a (self-proclaimed) artist ? That's the only thing that's solid in their lives.And while it is true that AI cannot replace true good artists, these people are often mediocre-bad artists, that only create degenerate porn to make a living. With AI, you're literally killing these people.And that's a good thing.
>>741348510Obsession with “realism” in games is retarded.
>>741356451“Progress” at all costs is not really progress. The purpose of progress is to make human life better. How does this do that if it causes millions to no longer be able to support themselves? You’re completely missing the big picture.
>>741348551>green dude in the middle has two left handsLAZY
>>741358910>Vampire Survivors and BalatroNow do you have any examples of GOOD games being affected?
>>741358707You can always enlist in army or anything else government run and funded. We are nowhere near replacing boots on the ground with bots.
>>741359235>be a normal people>make money of itESL jeet
>>741358993Yes, but the point is that it doesn't matter if you used 10% or 90% AI. When they see the "AI" label, they'll call you lazy and say your game is slop garbage. When the dev realizes this, some will wonder: "Why bother? Screw it!" and they'll also use 90% AI. In the end, it's a losing battle to strive to deliver a good game if you use AI in any way.
>>741357462Before you put art in quotations after mentioning AI. Now you're not using the quotations and admitting AI art is art. This is good progress
>>741348551If AI artists want praise so badly, why don't they just get it from an AI chatbot?Have yet to encounter one that could answer this.
>>741359962>We are nowhere near replacing boots on the ground with botsjust wait until one of the funny small hats comes up with the idea that killing bots counts as sending "souls" to the devil in order to trick him
>>741359868>The purpose of progress is to make human life betterOh so you are retarded. Progress was always about pushing ahead of other humans by any means necessary to secure resources for yourself, anything else is modern psyop. We didn't invent guns to make hunting easier, we did it to kill other people and get their shit for ourselves.
>>741333021How do we know some beloved indie didn't use AI? Its not like a simple prompt would make a whole game. Some of the assets could have tuned with AI or some of the design done with AI, manually corrected later.
>>741360006Well art is a broad term, I only consider something to be art if a human authored it because art is an expression of self an AI has no self. It's semantics though, if it's art to you that's fine and I respect it.
Wasn't there a fee you had to pay for every game you put on Steam? It's obvious those ai games aren't being sold for $80. It's probably all in the below $5 range. How many of these games make the initial investment back?
>>741360051They're finally motivated to gaslight you into giving them money
Make a good game, stop trying to pre-market on tiktok before you have the core done and are close to release.If you're slow, people WILL outpace you. It sucks, but that's how it is, it's the lesson we learned with physical goods manufacturing. Too slow, get got.
>>741360209I like how you talk tough and believe you’re above others but when things really go to shit you’ll be one of the first ones to go. You’re like the redditors that think they’ll be one of the decision makers when communism takes over and not one of the laborers.
>corpotards shilling their pyramid scheme on /v/Get the fuck out of here, Jensen.
>>741359948They don't have to be good in your opinion for it to be bad that shitty people are undercutting popular ideas. Just look at the shitty games on the Apple App Store and Google Play. It's all trash designed to make stupid kids think they're getting real, popular games. Why would you ever want it to be easier for brownoid third world dickheads to make money by slapping shit together?
>>741333321To anyone with a discerning eye and a love for art, it produces meaningless and soulless images. I'm someone who embraced it at first as it was a fascinating emerging toy but it quickly became apparent that it cannot replace the intentionality of the human process where details matter, especially the ones that maintain consistency in storytelling.
>>741345060There will be no AI filter, there will be a "developers dumb enough to admit they used AI" filter. It's like an IQ test.
>>741361416Not if there's punitive measures for lying, like with ESRB or PEGI
>>741333021THE AGE OF IDEA GUY IS UPON US
You should never make an indie game because you expect to get rich or famous, this was still the case long before AI. You should make one because you like making games. If you find success and can quit your day job, cool. Just don't expect that to happen going and it's fine.
>>741360223because t-the devs pinky-promised that they didn't use AI!
>>741361126The biggest problem is that generative AI for art, music, and writing either plagiarizes a few individuals works on the direction of the prompter, or it produces weird gestalt shit that only people with zero taste don't find uncanny. Cartoons with the same stiff, exaggerated faces and uninspired figures that are scarcely better than things like GoAnimate ever were, restaurant menus with off-model graphics, nonsense textures, weird text layouts, and pictures of fake food that are actually fucking disgusting. The only way AI has any purchase at all is that so many people are thoroughly convinced that the little things don't matter at all, and that anyone who cares is being weird for looking too closely. It's such a strange, selectively utilitarian mindset that's completely unfathomable to me. I ask these people, do you want everything on the internet to look like this? Do you want every business to have a fucked up logo that looks like shit? Do you want every menu in a restaurant to look the same and have pictures of food that doesn't exist? And they always say "It doesn't matter. It gets the point across. Nothing has changed. You care too much." And that's just fucking insane to me. They're just accepting a world where nothing is interesting or unique anymore. There's no fun in something being rough and amateurish, or the product of some poor bastard's lack of taste. There's no sense of legacy for a longstanding business. There isn't even a pragmatic sense of having cut corners and cobbled something together out of default fonts and clip art.It's all just telling a generative model "Make this for me," getting the same result as everyone else, and running with that shit even though it looks like a dog's asshole.What the fuck are we doing?
>>741362005Now they'll have no excuses when their ideas turn out to be terrible
>>741362342I don't know why these people are championing the death of the human spirit. It's like a slow collective cultural suicide.
>>741362342It's a prisoner's dilemma. If I don't use it, someone else will anyway, Steam will still get flooded with 1000 AI games per day, so might as well use it to cut costs myself and release something in 3 months instead of spending 3 years making handmade art and getting buried.
>>741362709Someone this lazy/poor isn't able to ship a game, stop larping nigger
>>741355957pretty sure those warehouses were not automated with AI
>>741360574Nah i have no delusions about surviving if shit hits the fan, in fact i would actively prefer not to if it comes to that, live is only worth living if it is fun and comfy, fuck the struggle.
>>741362342So many little processes and fine touches have been lost in every artform BEFORE AI was even a thing. I'm frankly worried about how many more will become lost even faster now.
>itt we pretend store wasn't full of 1000 cheap low-effort cashgrabs before AI, it's AI that caused it, to get mad at it
>>741346118>Volodymir, The Movie
>>741333021This was to be expected after AI Slop 33 won every award.Just face it chuds, AI can create better textures, models, characters and stories than you can.
>>74134836499% of games already use AI in one form or another, so I really doubt that Steam will impolement this option
>>741339525That wasn't the question thoughbeit
>>741362551They just don't like artists. Instead of picking up a pencil or an instrument and being the change they wanted to see in the world they bemoaned the fact that no one with their beliefs and opinions was making anything for them. They were letting the old guys age out and go without successors, because creativity was seen as frivolous and intrinsically the domain of the "other side."We don't have many "based" artists, writers, journalists, or musicians, because approximately none of the people who'd grow into those things cultivated those skills in themselves. They considered them a pipe dream, a waste of time, or a surefire path to indoctrination.>>741362709Those 1000 AI games will get ignored because they'll all be generic, unpolished, and creatively devoid of merit or fun. They have essentially zero chance of success. No game which has been AI-First has been an Earth-shattering success yet, and they never will. No one wants a game with a billion different styles, line weights, and levels of detail for its textures. No one wants characters who all speak in the same voice, like a corporate copywriter trying to spin poisoning the watering hole as a good thing. No one wants repetitive, motif-spamming music with no meaning or direction behind it.If your one real game is clever, pretty, or novel in a vaguely good way, you'll have a real chance of success, even if it's not very high, just like always.>>741363463I absolutely agree, but the difference was that as digital tools improved, so did the desire and means to recapture what made older techniques and processes special. There are still people trying to digitally recreate technicolor, or design Photoshop brushes and plugins that really replicate the appearance of layers paint on an animation cel.You can train an image model on those things, but they'll either overfit and become useless, or you'll never have the control or understanding to get anywhere close to authentic.
>>741363503It wasn't.There was shovelware, but the volume wasn't so bad. You could actually click on new releases as part of your daily routine and keep up with every single game that launched on Steam.
>>741333021>bro stop using AI npcs, for every npc you see in game there has to be a human behind there physically moving it and talking to you when you approach, if you use AI for npcs then it's just morally wrong! that's a job a human could do!
>>741363503So it's fine to make the problem 100 times worse?
>>741363898>It wasn't.lol, lmao. You dig through that slop and pretend to have an "opinion">>7413640860 multiplied by 100 is 0
>>741364086>>741351483
>>741363564weak bait
>>741363859The funny thing is rightiods could've easily press ganged artists into making them make coomslop like that new gameoververse game or whatever and maybe even made some previous ex-wokes chuds but instead they just made being a chud very unappealing and generic.
>>741364187'Shovelware' might be an opinion, but otherwise I'm stating a fact. Steam did not have the volume of game releases that it does now. Even after they removed the greenlight process and lowered their standards to what they are now, AI games are what have absolutely flooded the market.Just look at all the low effort puzzle games where the publishers have released literally hundreds of versions of the same dogshit with different prompts in less than a year, that was impossible before AI.
>>741333321>all those samefag repliesnice try shill, AI is troon shit and we all know it
>>741336594True. Most indiefags don't even approach a project with the question "how do I make a good game" and instead approach it with questions like "will this make me popular on twitter and get a bunch of people into my discord server"
>>741364690lmao, cope tranny
>>741364546you're talking outta your assAfter they removed greenlight the amount of releasees skyrocketted and steadily increased year over year up to 2024/2025In 2025 It plateaued, and since the begining of 2026 it's seems to be less (but very slightly)
>>741333321We're past that point. It's literally a human v anti human war at this point. If you support AI you are a spiritual nigger
The 80s gaming crash was caused by insane amounts of slop games released by devs and nintendo came out on top because they had some amount of quality control. I like AI though and think it will give indie game devs the ability to go toe to toe with AA studios instead of making pixel slop metroidvania for the 1000000th time.
>>741333321I don't know but it's bizarre.
>>741364546Just...didn't you see the low effort shit there before? I saw one where someone slapped random incoherent events in rpgmaker, with not even battles. There's other terrible shit too, surely you don't want me to post, not that anything is even good. Now you suddenly care and looked up (or made it up) some lousy numbers just to worry about a new controversy.
>>741365139The crash didn't happen in Japan and the quality of their arcade games at the time were good across all companies that produced them. Nintendo won because of the business decisions they made and nothing else
>>741365139AI is a low effort shortcut, good devs don't want that. Bad devs and scammers want the easy "good enough" shortcut
>>741333174The worst part about AI image and video is it lets indians and generally dumb people create actual content. Before, it was locked safely inside their thick skulls because of their lack of creative skills, but now the rest of the world has to see the retarded inner workings of their brains. It's resulted in the largest slop transfer in human history.
>>741365396>random incoherent events in rpgmaker, with not even battles.this one?https://store.steampowered.com/app/650700
>>741364831There is a clear huge spike in releases that garnered zero attention between 2023 and 2024. Filter by "limited games" on SteamDB.
>>741365902Don't lump the 2000s freeware scene in with the money-grubbing indieshit
>>741360275It is art though, your definition is pointless in this regard.>a building is only constructed if it was done using tools that I grew up withNo, it's still a building that was constructed and AI art is art. Sorry
>>741362342Ok so pay me to do real art instead.Oh right.
>>741365620In this economy there is no money to waste on "Good enough"
>>741359235>Because they're useless dregs of society. Let me explain, you can be a normal people and make art, or music, or videogames as a sidejob and make money of it, but for these people, not only it's their main income, often it's their only solid defining attribute.So what jobs do you imagine people who made art music or videogames had until 2024?
>>741360223Yeah, how can anyone even prove that a game used AI assuming that the Dev puts in the bare minimum effort to hide their AI usage? Even AI art can be indistinguishable from human made art if you manually touch it up a bit; it really isn't hard to hide it if you're even somewhat competent.
>>741364086When it's bad enough it stops mattering how much worse it gets, because the end result between the two scenarios doesn't meaningfully change. I think there was a good analogy for this but I forget what it was
>>741345460>E33 and its use of aidisingenuous faggot, maybe gaming is bad because of people like you
>>741333021Nice library you have there PC drones. Bullshit library inflated with Massive Shovelware.
>>741365902No, as I said, in YK, there's a consistent internal logic and you travel on surreal landscapes and it's about that. Someone just slapped dialog in rpgmaker. Uh...That's not "good". It's just lazy and gay. Surely you realize YK is a carefully curated title that you know and dishonestly picked because I'm not going to remember shovelware and not "random shit you found on the Newest section of the Store page", which is why it's irrelevant when I'm talking about random shit you find there. This is cool when I'm on Browse Free Flash Games, since at least I'm not paying for that. Muh artisinal cashgrab vs clank cashgrab. I suppose even YK originally didn't come with a price tag in a popular store. ...It's bad when AI does it. Your shovelware is AI now, wowzors.
if you gonna release anything on steam but dont want to do external marketing prepare for a nice round 0 players.Overwhelming majority of steam games are played by nobody, doesnt matter if they use ai or not.
>>741360209Retard why should I be mad that someone invented a washing machine
Someone looks up your artist and does a little research. You can get away with Ai code, Ai music, Ai writing, textures and photo-realistic images but not 2D art. It's too obvious.
>>741333563do you know how much effort a coal miner puts into his shift? do you wanna know how much money he makes? do you wanna know how much money xqc or asmongold makes?
>>741368090>t.clueless
>>741333021>RIP indie devsGoodRiddanceSteam Green Light was already a massive mistake. The store was FLOODED with early access scam and garbage. AI games doesn't change anything.
2D art but the artist has no Danbooru tag = Ai
>>741366523cope harder, I'm sure the devs only used AI where they got caught doing so
>>741339523I carebad enough rootless cosmepolitians ruined cities and universities, now they're plunking down a little bit of globohomo in every county
As someone who’s gamedevving, I feel like I’m doomed to never be noticed
>>741339523I do. Pollution is easily the worst Ill for the environment. You can put the toothpaste in the tube so long as you undergo extreme and lengthy counter measures but it can all be undone by 10 Indians who don't want to lose their izzat by using a trash can. Global warming is a spook that anyone telling you for certain one thing or the other is usually a propagandist. Pollution however is visible and measurable and taints everything. It doesn't matter if it's too hot or cold, if the food and water are filled with lead and cobalt, you're fucked. If the ground can't produce, you're fucked. People often forget that regardless of how much air conditioning, heating, computers, houses that there are, you're still part of the environment and subject to is whim. One day when there's a drought and you're being rationed to 16oz of water a day while the local data center asks you to use even less because your portion is straining their equipment, maybe you'll get it.
>>741366306Being on olympic swimming team for example.
>>741362342>I ask these people, do you want everything on the internet to look like this? Do you want every business to have a fucked up logo that looks like shit? Do you want every menu in a restaurant to look the same and have pictures of food that doesn't exist?>And they always say "It doesn't matter. It gets the point across. Nothing has changed. You care too much." And that's just fucking insane to me.Ok and? How are you right and their not? It's not that deep bro.
>>741333321No idea. It's not like someone took their pencils and brushes away or whatever art they do. Photoshop was invented probably +30 years ago by now and it didn't make it illegal for people to still draw, paint, take pictures with a camera etc."You should have to pay some trans artist" why? And how many of these trans people made a living with this? There can be 1000 ambitious artists but 999 of them still have to do it because they like it and maybe 1 gets enough income to pay house or whatever.Also these are the same talking heads who think blue collar people should starve and be replaced with brown people to do slave jobs.
>>741333021AI slop games will die on the vine the same way asset flip games die on the vine. Yes they are a problem but people will find ways to filter them out.
>>741368090Alternatively, if you can't tell genAI 2D from a glance, you can open up the image in a photo editor and fuck with the saturation + colour levels to see if you can spot diffusion noise, which is always present all across AI images due to how they're generated (AI doesn't paint, it manipulates pixel values until a reasonable output is formed). Diffusion noise is distinct from the blocky, regional artifacts left by JPEG compression, and it's very noticeable on flat colour areas especially. AI essentially can't generate flat monocolour areas, there's always pixel-to-pixel tone fluctuation.Just make sure you don't get it mixed up with brush/gradient banding (artifacts of actual human digital work) or film grain (visible to the naked eye).Pic related, top section highlights diffusion noise on the woomy's head, middle section highlights it on the locker door and the bottom section is unaltered.
>>741333494>someone invents a tool>the tool is evil because people are corrupt>muh video game scene was thriving until chat gpt was invented>we were not going towards full globohomo surveillance before chat gpt was invented and you also liked it when it was done by lefties
>>741333021if 40% only covers those who chose to disclose, what is the real figure likely?
>>741333563The end product is not more impressive whether it takes 5 minutes for ai to make and a person to review vs someone spent one month writing it.
>>741359868its surreal that you can't see past your grim idea of the future>AI will take all jobs>this means AI will invalidate work>that means all humans will roll over, starve to death, and die while robots produce food and housing for free
>>741358313Why I would advise a warehouser lmfao? Shit family shit life shit job. Go born better more intelligence more hard work.
>>741364978If you're against AI. You're most likely a soulless communist.
>>741360223I suspect the composer for E33 did this for his concept melodies. Simon's theme literally has the FF prelude written into it despite him saying he's never played FF before. The point is you can't tell. Even if it's not in the asset you can't tell and skilled creators will create on steroids by using it at all levels including the concept phase where there's no paper trail.
>>741355957This is a separate problem from technology and new tools. We know that nothing will get cheaper or even better quality because machines can do the work and there will zero jobs which are not for humans to take. Those tools will never be put back into the pandora's box because you can't get all the leaders to agree to it, so it just comes down what the world view of the leaders controlling them is or can you replace the leaders.
>>741333321Why do nazbul larpers who supposedly hate troons, hate pedophiles, hate jews, and mock troons/lefties for making video games and cartoons their personality, have chronic, crippling, porn addictions, jerk off to trannies while calling them "futas", jerk of to kids calling them "lolis", guzzle goyslop by the gallon, and screach about the left "not being able to distinguish fiction from reality" while in the same breath shrieking about how woke media has become, especially when their notaselfinsertOC fucks another dude?Why to the latter gaggle of retards throw a shit fit when someone points out that you can just draw, without having to use AI to "socially democratize the talent of artists" aka steal other people's work?
>>741333021Cant I just filter out AIslop?
>>741363463>So many little processes and fine touches have been lost in every artform BEFORE AI was even a thing. I'm frankly worried about how many more will become lost even faster now.So why is it only problem now? When you are not getting profited from it?
>>741372320Why would they produce any of it for you?
>>741333494Maybe a stupid question, but why is the energy demand so high? Using local models I don't take out the power in my neighborhood when I gen stuff. You'd think storage for all of the training data and output would be the bigger issue
>>741372553You can do that with AI
>>741372582because people are productive let alone robots
>>741333021>Every single big company is suing AI so much so that they are completely only coding with AI>Epic artists are using AI to help them create more skins and do more high quality work.>A lot of open source projects are allowing AI to contribute and are actually praising AI for the high quality reports coming out of it.>And yet on 4chan they hate AI>Epic UE6's doubles down on AI usage and encourage people to use itwhy is this?Anyone that is employed right now is using AI to some degree and having amazing results. Why do people hate it so much when a new way to make games is available
>>741372586Because all the big ai pushers are brute forcing its power instead of trying to find a way to make it more efficient.
>>741363859>>741362551you people hate art if you can't understand how AI is just a tool for artists
>>741372258>AI slips and falls the moment you try to generate things with any sense of context coherency, continuity or just even get smaller details right.All false btw, there are a lot of people doing the exact thing you mentioned.
>>741372779Its leftist cultural dogma.
I legit think people that hate AI do so because it triggers their schizophrenia.
>>741372586>Using local models I don't take out the power in my neighborhood when I gen stuffWhy the fuck would it? You're one fucking person. How many people do you think a data center is serving at once every single minute, you stupid fuck?
so 50 - 55% that used but didn't disclose and 5 - 10% that didn't use but probably will on their next project.
ngl i just copy and paste ai answers into a lot of my work>175k salary
>>741372526You're not stealing someone else's work when using AI any more than taxing billionaires is stealing. Art exists because of privilege and excess, so taking it can't be theft.
>>741372526holy buzzwords
>>741372841Got any examples? I guarantee you I can spot inconsistencies in whatever shit they generate, I know, because I've been custom generating my own shit for a while now with Comfyui + krita.
I miss the IP count
>>741373413I don't because I'm not some sensitive bitch.
>>741359176>Now, you don't even have to be a genius to know what's gonna happen when most of the people are constantly unhappy and depressed. And even worse, going homeless & hungry.What should happen is eating the rich.What will actually happen is what happened with OWS - the ultra-rich will send in their shills to distract people by trying to make a race or religion or ethnicity issue to distract people from the fact that the super-rich, who are made up of a variety of different races and religions, are screwing all the rest of us, who are also made up of different races and religions.Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a blatant shill.
>>741373413anon that was like 15 years ago
>>741372750If AI takes over the jobs, the people will become unproductive and a deadweight for the system. The logistics of housing and feeding 8 billion people would be unreasonable compared to downscaling the AI infrastructure and producing solely for the top 1%, while letting the bottom 99% die off.
>>741365745what's worse is that it is taking up valuable energy and compute cyclescut the submarine fiber cables
>>741373302Just take a look at seedance. You have seen it already and in good hands and some light editing you can get away with a lot.
>>741333471Ironic, innit
>>741337973this is awfull, why would these devs participate in that twitter trend!
Something is happening to the AI market.They are desperate again because you are now beginning to see the jeet and bot AI shills with AI garbage posting all over /v/ and other boards again
>>741372212my best friend died 6 months ago. I still start crying whenever I see a picture of a dog.
>>741343928This, people still associate AI slop with assets, it's very obvious when it's used that way, most people avoid it. But literally 100% of people use AI to code today, even senior devs. There will never ever be a single new game where AI wasn't involved in some capacity. If you disagree you don't know what you're talking about.
>>741333021Well, if people are not interested with these games, they will not bubble up and will just vanish into the graveyard of games. Many of the slop creators think that just putting something into steam will be enough, but will not be. Also AI costs money to use, so they will give up as soon as they realise that game dev is not easy path to riches and go chase some other get rich quick pipe dream.
>>741375965They are trying to create the feel that AI is inevitable and you should just jump on board. IPOs are looming so they want to push for more users that they can report about. Also there are lot of just shills living in bubble thinking that everyone is using AI they are not just telling about it. I am programmer and i rarely use AI and when i use its more like using google. Also i know lot of programmers that dont use AI. I dont want to build dependency on something that can vanish when internet goes down or they decide jo jack prices up. People using too much AI are building huge dependency, and AI companies will try to exploit that.
>>741337412I hate it for the same reason I hate RPGmaker games.Tools don't belong in the hands of the unskilled. Consumers do not make good producers. Accessibility is the death of progress. There needs to be SOME kind of hurdle to overcome, or the signal to noise ratio becomes unsustainable, everything follows this trend.>make the internet accessible to everyone (via phones)>internet becomes a normalfag nightmare>make everyone's opinions heard easily by all (social media)>all discourse becomes shouting into the void>make video games accessible to everyone (via journo modes and streaming)>discussion about video games becomes dogshit>make video game creation accessible via RPGmaker>30000000 default asset low effort dogshit floods every store>make art accessible to everyone through words alone>people without a grasp on basic english flood every art site with unupscaled, undetailed (1girl,solo, big bobs, bigger bobs, very aesthetic, best quality, huge bobs)>make code accessible to people who failed basic math in grade school>security vulnerabilities are a daily occurance nowI don't hate the toolsI hate the people that think they're capable of using it,and the people that enable them by making it easier.It doesn't matter if the tools improve to perfectly recreate your favorite game, it'll still be a hammer in the hand of a cross-eyed retard.
>>741373241Taxation by its very definition is theft, retard. How does your lack of privlidge and excess prevent you from spending time learning how to draw? Pencils and paper are literally all you need to learn.
>>741375965I think it's the opposite, now after some time they finally have some actual good use cases for AI (such as coding and other things) not to mention the well done marketing by antrhopic and managed to get a model banned for being "Too powerful". I think they really are going to double down on it. It's not really desperate, they are slowly starting to make their money back
>>741378183I am starting to think that in the past the guild system was on something. They limitted knowledge in order to keep quality high. So maybe in future as AI bots just try to scrape information from internet so that they can provide the tools for cross-eyed retards, some people will just limit their sharing so that AI cant scrape that information. Then you can also select who will be let into the guild.
>>741378298poor people don't have the time to learn non essential tasks
>>741378054>lso there are lot of just shills living in bubble thinking that everyone is using AI they are not just telling about it. I am programmer and i rarely use AI and when i use its more like using google. Also i know lot of programmers that dont use AIWhy? You are going to be left behind if you don't at least some form of AI assisted code. As a matter of fact, most SWE that I know of (a few from FANG and other big start ups) haven't touched a single line of code, rather, they haven't written a single line of code themselves. And this is a trend that I feel with the major players and good programmers as well. AI is proving itself to be a really good tool for programming. No one writes code by themselves anymore
>>741378835Maybe, we will see.
>>741346195they used AI and left it in until it was "noticed" because apparently having someone double check your textures is too much for the multi-million financed companythey are always like this, they avoid mentioning it entirely until it's shoved in their face
>>741333021>your game is a success, there will be a shitload of AI copycatsthe absolute retardation of a layman who thinks games are just graphics
>>741378183Make it better if you know then, the market is free :)
>>741379456Thanks for proving my point in ways you can't even comprehend.
>>741379530Then you don't know. So why do you deserve money? Have a skill, market yourself.
Checking the artist tag on Danbooru is always enough. Ai users are too lazy to hide all the red flags.
>>741379652You're not even addressing a single point i've made, so all I can assume is you're one of the various engagement farm bots on this site or an actual red blooded retard.
>>741333321they work in the offices, remote or from home self employed. And those jobs got hit the hardest by AINatural response is hating the AI
>>741353502>I only use AI now to watch my real-life female friends getting bukkakes from 10 cocks at the same time (which is actually pretty unsatisfying because their faces always change subtly, and in the end, it never really looks like the real girl is thereThat's actually an interesting use for AI...
>>741353502Name of your first game?
>>741333174What is the Chinese and Indian fascination with green slime?
>>741333021Everything is getting flooded with slop consumer and business wise tanking bandwidth and serversShit is fucked with no end in sight
>>741372841Even the best, most innocuous, case of AI being used I've seen, still sucked compared to having a human do the job.Hypothetically, having AI generate a few inbetween frames in an animation does remove busywork without compromising the actual artistic intent TOO much. Charitably, I could see it streamlining the process, cutting down the cost, and letting animators do shit that isn't flat-ass beanmouth bullshit economically again.But in practice, it sucks. If there's anything with a complex pattern in the scene, it doesn't stay consistent between shots. If there's motion it's slowed down and warpy like all AI video tends to be. It's just forcing animators to make even simpler cartoons, not letting them make better ones.So even where it has some obvious utility, it's still a net negative. There's no good use case for AI in creative works that doesn't result in a worse, uglier product in the end.
>>741384727How can you write that when seedance exists?
>>741333021Literally who the fuck actually browses Steam for new games? There are other, much more important vectors for games to reach consumers>social media>YouTube trailers>content creators
>>741384872Seedance also sucks, retard. Any general purpose video generation model is going to suck because bad quality examples, slow motion video, and artifacts in the training data are always going to bleed through to the final product.If you tell it to make a realistic video of something, it's going to be influenced by cartoons and make gestures and extreme expressions look fucked up. If you tell it to make a cartoon, it's going to look fucked up because it can't keep everything in order from scene to scene, and it'll still pull out the same extreme stock expressions no one would ever draw.
>>741366079If it's art to you that's fine, it just isn't to me, sorry. If I tell an artist to draw me something, I'm not the artist - I think the same applies with AI.
>>741372823It's a tool for companies to create assets cheaper, I don't know a single artist who welcomes AI you disingenuous retard.
>>741386627I don't care what subhumans think about it
>>741386463Would you call whatever that artist gave back to you art because it was made by an 'artist'?
>>741386851engineering is an art so why not?
>>741386851That's complicated. Is a CAD drawing "art"? I think if they expressed themselves creatively then yes.
>>741386627>*calls anyone who is fine with AI not an artist*>I don't know any artist who welcomes AIwoah..
>>741386627you're speaking to one. all you're telling me is that you don't know a single non-sperg artist
>>741387054>>741387080Yes yes I'm sure your prompts are very nice
>>741386627This logic relies on AI being sentient, otherwise it's an inanimate object that just does what you use it to do(ie it's a tool, the things artists use to make art). AI is, in fact, not sentient. So your argument defeats itself.
>>741386974I think you're being pedantic and are trying to fight the passage of time
>>741387080How does AI help you with illustration/painting?
>>741387451And I think you just ran out of arguments, better luck next time.
>>741333021>I don’t have to use any mental energy on deciding if I‘m interested in 40% of new game releasesSounds good to me.
>We gave everyone in the world instant and easy access to auto game development and publishing
>>741387489How does illustration/painting help you with AI art?
>>741387450How does that post suggest that AI needs to be sentient? Not all inanimate objects are tools either, and just because something is a tool doesn't mean it's an instrument for making art. Anything can be a tool for making art, a rusty can hit with a stick. The problem with AI isn't whether or not it's a good tool, it's the disconnect between the prompter and the final result, you cannot in good faith say that the outcome came from your own mind. By it's very nature it's a statistical amalgam of training data, directed and shaped with weights, loras, etc.
>>741386627I do. Ai is a tool.
>>741387972How do you use it in your artistic process?
>>741387972AI is your new God and you are the tool
>>741388065Truth nuke
>>741387927I misquoted. Meant to reply to the post above>>741386463>and just because something is a tool doesn't mean it's an instrument for making art. A tool you use to make art is actually a tool used to make art, actually.You people are not operating on logic, you're so emotional and retarded it's baffling. There are AI art museums now, AI art has won art competitions, you can find AI art everywhere, but you're still pretending it's not a thing because you're either too ignorant or arrogant or retarded to have learned how it works.>you cannot in good faith say that the outcome came from your own mindYou can't say this about most art people make because there is always immense amounts of compromise. If you posted your art it would probably look like an absolute piece of shit and there ain't no way you spent years of your life learning to make a piece of shit. You had an idea and you tried to get it out into the world and THAT is where the art came from, that effort to extract ideas from your head which you can use AI for. Is it a perfect piece of art? No, but neither is 99% of drawn or painted artwork which almost every artist will say looked better in their mind.
>>741388252>can'tcan*
>>741388252>You peopleI'm just one guy trying to understand you, why are you lumping me into an imaginary group.>You're so emotionalBro I'm chilling we're just chatting>you're either too ignorant or arrogant or retarded to have learned how it works.Not true either, I was really excited for the technology when it first came out and really went hard with it, I was a super early adopter. In the end, I realised that it had no relation to making art but it took a while to realise that.>If you posted your art it would probably look like an absolute piece of shit and there ain't no way you spent years of your life learning to make a piece of shitI mean that's subjective but it's MY art, and nobody else's. It came directly from my experiences, not an enormous amount of scraped data. I'm not even going to argue about competency, I've seen lots of coherent AI outputs, some are even beautiful and visually striking - but it didn't come from anyone - I don't think it's right to give credit/authorship to someone typing in a handful of words and refining the output.
>>741388018>>741387292Not an artist myself. I support my favorite artist who goes by Cris and makes games of shogi with ai pfps and 567 npcs on 4chan. The art is the game because games like movies and books are art. Art, on an expanded sense, refers not exclusively to painters (though, that is one honorable craft). It's other forms of expressions. That, is an art.
>>741388757What do you mean by he makes games of shogi?
>>741388729The group of retards you belong to are not imaginary that's for sure. Your thoughts are though, they have no base in observable reality.
>>741387573No further argument required, even early on in AI art days an AI art piece won a contest judged by humans
>>741388957What group is that exactly?
>>741388884found it
>>741389189nice
>>741388978That's true but does it matter? There was a story a while ago of some trash being left in a museum and people thought it was some sort of avant garde exhibit. Tricking people doesn't make it a legitimate art form but making someone feel something, connecting with them, that does. If you get that from AI outputs then I'm sincerely happy for you, but I do not. I suspect you don't either and you're trying to convince yourself otherwise by arguing with me. After all, if output is all that matters why not browse an AI-generated 4chan, why do you need human written text?
>>741389189Nice art you got there AI friends
>>741389412>but I do notBecause you are mentally challenged and are acting like people didn't make it when they intentionally went out to make it.
>>741389493Someone asked politely for it, maybe even added a best_quality, masterpiece too, but nobody made it.
>>741389705keep seething
>>741389834And with that concession, I bid you goodnight. We had fun today.
