Why was this game so popular in the 2000’s and why did it lose its appeal?
>>741345483it was really good, and then got turned to shit. much like 4chan except 4chan was always shit
>>741345483Social media, discord, and all that removed the need for MMOs to exist.Games with short matchmaking sessions like battle royales or horde survivals or friendslops took over the need for "spend time in a videogame with friends", since they don't require so much time investment to play together.Roblox is probably the closest thing to a modern replacement, and even then, it also doesn't require a time investment to have fun with friends.Recently I've attempted to get a bunch of friends who haven't played much MMOs to get into free ones like TESO or Lost Ark, it took us an hour to lose steam because nobody would wait for anyone else, and the most fun anyone had was standing around and doing emotes to each other.
>>741345483>Why was this game so popular in the 2000’s the community>and why did it lose its appeal?the community
Massive levels of social immersive gameplay. Why it died was because most normal people quit during TBC and Wrath, and the people making the game were ex-hardcore raiders who killed the game. It got some life in Legion&BFA but quickly died after the tier of Shadowlands.
>>741345549This
>>741345549WoW was a living breathing world you could get lost in. If you grew up playing the RTS games it allowed you to explore Azeroth, that you were already familiar with, from the games. It turned to shit when tumblr died and blizzard decided they needed to hire all those weirdos to write for them. 4chan turned to shit, because reddit migrated here.
>>741345483it was social media where you could kill shit with your friends and most people hadn't seen anything like it
>>741345483Back in the day, it had a specific design, a very universal aesthetic, and high quality gameplay.Today, it has a design thats catered by committee to the lowest common denominator. The aesthetic still holds onto its former rotting self but makes endless concessions e.g. wheelchair wizards, OwO furries, black belves, fatties, etc.The gameplay is deeply less interesting, the raid combat is baby tier dumbed down dont stand in the fire, and everything else is massively suffused with bots
>>741346516>:WoW was a living breathing world you could get lost in.You have no idea what you're talking about you low standards fucktard.
>>741345483because it was a normie theme park with the appeal to the lowest common denominator. I am by no means an elitist freak who think games should only ever be hardcore and impossible to complete, but the true gamers tm looked down on wow back in the day. They have never played wow. Well, maybe they gave it a try, but quickly went back to their PvP based mmo games such as Lineage II, for example. Then you had butthurd of FF11 players who were forced to suck 14 dick too.Over time in late 00's and early 10's the casualization and normalization of gaming happened, especially in always online live service garbage sphere and competetive "hardcore mmo" fags probably went to play shit like Dota II.Also, nowadays the true skill tm competitive cupcakes play FPS like CS2. They always did play FPS, but there was a drought between 1.6 and CS2.
>>741346920What was the reason for WoW being a massive success then? Go on retard chan, tell the class. Why do uncs still play classic every time they roll out a new fresh?
>>741346920You are the miserable old fuck uncle in your family aren't you
>>741345483It was the evolution of 90s chatsites
>>741347412>Why do uncs still play classic every time they roll out a new fresh?nostalgia, trying to recapture the feeling of their lost youth
>>741347412>appeal to the lowest common denominator who has no taste or experience with similar products whatsoever>acquire money while your cultish fanbase defends youVery difficult. Never been repeated in the history of video games.
>>741347517this is not true. plenty of mmorpgs have existed before, during, and after. Butt, normies can't into any hardship, such as losing the items when dying. This was the pacifier sucking babies first popular mmo.
>>741347517>>741347651I say mmorpgs.. Remember browser games? Not just flash faggotry on newgrounds or whatever. Turn based combat browser games, that still exist in 2026 too? Anon members.
>>741345483WoW was just a bump up from Ragnarok Online for me. All those geeks that lost their shit over this game make me cringe. The worst part was knowing they will delay a major RTS because of their success and seeing SquareEnix behave the same way.
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>>741345549WoW was always shit and actually got better later when it dialed in on the one thing it was doing that no other game was.
>>741345483>Why was this game so popular in the 2000’s and why did it lose its appeal?it was a huge social game, which retail tranny faggot ""game"" isn't anymore. nu-Blizzard did everything to turn retail into a queue simulator.
>>741345924>Social media, discord, and all that removed the need for MMOs to exist.You're retarded, if that was the case why was classic so successful?
>>741345549fpbpjust like 4chan I thought I would be addicted to it for life but eventually it got so bad I stopped being an addict thanks, blizzard/hiroshimoot, I guess
>>741347784But retail has content you cant easily do in a pug while everything in classic you can easily do without speaking to anyone
>>741347876Why would you lie like that? You can't even make a dungeon group without asking people to join your group.
the first three expansions of WoW were just that good. go look at player counts for the various classic servers. After Cata no one gave a fuck about Classic anymore and everyone migrated to the Anniversary servers and it's still going strong with 6x the playerbase on Anniversary vs Classic. i'm sure once it gets to Cata it'll get cut in half, then get cut in half again with MoP. the first three expansions of WoW all felt like it built towards something. everything after that felt like it was just wiping the board clean with each expansion.
>>741345483It was primarily a chat roomThat's itPeople forget that in the early 2000s you had this weird 'internet is bad' locking of shit like chat sites from kids but 'muh gaming friends are safe'People go on about how much it was nostalgia, how it was 'we didn't scrape the data to know all the details, you just had more time as a kid, it was the fact the game was so big, etc' in reality it was just 'I can talk to people online'
>>741347901You can, there are addons for thatNever mind that whispering "inv" isnt actually social whereas progging with your guild for weeks to months in retail is
>>741348003read the fucking thread, idiot, and stop trying to rewrite the history. you are embarrassing yourself.>it was a chat with a game built inmy ass
>>741348039>Never mind that whispering "inv" isnt actually social whereas progging with your guild for weeks to months in retail isNobody uses them you fucking retard, you can experience every single content in retail without interacting with anybody because nu-Blizzard thinks designing the game for people that retarded is the way to go.
>>741347972>just that goodJust that easy you mean, we all saw how dad gamers couldn't handle bosses harder than tank n spank and quit in droves when prenerf t5 came out. And again in UlduarYeah Cata, MoP and retail have real fights and uncs cant handle them
>>741348003You are a retard. Furcadia was primarily a chatroom. WoW was not.
>>741348093>nobody uses themRetard>you can experience every single contentEsl retard lmao, of course the classic shill is brownAnd you cannot, because some of the content is too hard for most guilds never mind pugs>designing the game for people that retardedRetail is substantially harder than classic in every way, while currently Anni classic releases raids nerfed from day 1 because boomers cant handle 20 year old bosses
>>741348212>And you cannot, because some of the content is too hard for most guilds never mind pugsWhy would that matter? If some does LFR they will experience the same content you fucking retarded tranny. You are literally implying classic is less social than retail which isn't true. Classic forces to be social what MMORPGs should be about.
>>741348274> If some does LFR they will experience the same contentImpressively brown post to view content as just visuals and not the gameplay experienceBut I guess thats normal in classic when the gameplay is just tank n spank for everything >Classic forces to be socialIt does not, because the content is such a jokeEnough of your favela monkey babble
>>741348274>social what MMORPGs should be about.[citation needed]
I think a big problem with mmos is that relationships in general have become very transactional
>>741345483I'm going to assume you weren't there as if you were a teen/adult back then, and had any prior mmo experience, then you'd know right away why it made such huge waves in the genre. First of all, the obvious: the warcraft ip did a lot of the heavy lifting but compared to all the other mmo's that came before it, it did a lot of things different, the most important being "control". I can't remember any mmo that's came out since, actually, that felt as good to control as world of warcraft, it's ridiculously smooth which was, especially for mmo's, unheard of back then and even today. To give you an example, in dark age of camelot you have to have dedicated keys for strafing AND turning and on top of that moving while in combat gave you a big penalty to your accuracy. In wow you can actually move AND attack? And you don't have some gay system in place penalizing you for it? It was amazing and that's just one example from one comparison from one game.What about death penalties? Every other mmo out at the time massively punished you for dying, either through wasting hours of built xp or worse yet, you could lose an actual level, it was fucking awful and the only people that pine for that were actual poopsocking losers. WoW still wasted your time through corpse runs which could be brutal in some zones but it was a far cry from losing literal hours of your life by erasing all your built up experience. That said, it did make death less scary.Then there's the UI, all you have to do is mouse over an ability and it tells you what it does from a box that pops up? Without having to hold shift + i or whatever? Menu's within menu's, modifier keys to do something a simple right click would do in wow, to name but a few major differences, it was so easy to just "play" wow rather than learn how to navigate its UI unlike other games.
>>741348576(cont)Then there's the biggest difference: Soloability. I can't think of a single mmorpg that came before wow that you could level, to cap, without ever grouping once, outside of a few classes that could solo such as necromancers in eq1/daoc. Being able to just go out and kill mobs, alone? And it not take literal weeks to get a level? There's food that shortens downtime? You don't have to sit for actual minutes between each pull if you aren't grouped with a class with a mana/power regen buff? Unheard of. But it still retained the difficulty of overpulling and playing smart which felt so rewarding when you finally learned what your class and its kit were capable of.It lost its appeal because the genre was a product of its time. Socializing, even in a casual game like wow still did a lot of the work to keep people in game but over time it shifted that, turning it, and the genre, what it is today: Raid loggers. The leveling experience, which was meant to be the majority of the content has been pushed aside and made a simple formality to the "real" game which always universally begins at whatever the level cap is. All social interactions have been made redundant beyond the end game and while you COULD solo in wow in the early days there were many times, before cap, that you would actively want to group. Those forced social situations are what made the genre so appealing, especially when socializing online was new and still growing. Without the social aspect you're left with what modern wow is now, beneath the terrible, overly safe left wing writing lies a game meant to appeal to everyone and no one and so all that's left are collectors and raid loggers.The genre is dead and will stay that way as the only people around that it appeals to are 35+ with little time to spare.
>>741345483they hired lots of women and fags
>>741349012Being more solo friendly than EQ isn't an accomplishment, and it's still not as solo friendly as freedom first games like UO were.
>>741349012>I can't think of a single mmorpgthat is it, YOU can't think of. Lineage II, Mu Online, Rising Force Online, Ultima Online, the list goes on basically forever.The gear tread mill gated behind grouping is what killed mmorpgs, or at least wow.
Imagine you and your friends all organize a night out every week, and you go and do all funny stupid stuff and everyone loves it. Then your wife decides to now run the nights out, and they arne't fun cause she is a retard that tells you not to call each other bastards and cunts and you arne't allowed to watch strippers or get drunk and get into fights anymore. Blizzard made the game lame and gay cause they hired lots of stupid boring women, so it's lame and gay. The only old men still playing are locked in no matter how bad it gets cause wow is all they have in their life.
>>741345483wow was the first mmo that actually had good gameplay
>>741349285The actual problem with WoW/EQ/etc in terms of MMOs is actually something else.You have to match your friends' pace of play and preferences or else you can't group with them and accomplish anything. This is also why WoW factions were faggotry of the highest order, because it automatically stopped people from being able to play with all of their friends, for the sake of a 'PvP' game that had no meaningful world PvP objectives and PvE servers. Also why level sync eventually got introduced over a decade later.
>>741349012>>741349285also, pretty much all of the browser games. which were peak too, at one point.Not to mention that people loved ladders in Diablo II, for example. Not even the best FPS (UT, Quake, HL, even CS) and Arena shooters were popular as group games. Your personal skill first, the team is secondary. Nah, anon, all of this interaction/grouping dogshit is largely normie stuff, that was a large part of enshittification of gaming.
>>741349343Definitely the first MMORPG where movement wasn't so restricting. Hardly any invisible walls.
>>741345924>TESOThe Elder Scrolls Online? That's not free.
>>741349431I recently played SWTOR and that's dearly missed, you just go from one gated area to the next. I don't think I saw the other faction even once.
>>741349431Huh?
Gacha replaced MMOsSame feeling of numbers go up without having to do a gay minotaur sex questlines for 20 hoursSocialization in MMOs is basically dead outside of small pools of weirdos that use it like it's second life (which is exclusively contained to XIV). Everyone moved on to social media. Gacha was created under the assumption that everyone would be talking to eachother about it on Twitter or Discord anyway so there is no need to waste time on pointless social features. Also, ironically, gacha is cheaper. Spending 10-20 every few months is more value than a $15/m mandatory sub. Also doesn't take up 50TB of space by forcing you to download 10 expansions worth of dead content.
>>741350584This is correct, and this is why you should never ever ever ever ever take someone who says that it's just about the journey maaaaan seriously. That's not why people were playing the game, and if it was, they wouldn't have left in droves when something hitting the same notes faster popped up.
>>741350584As someone who played MMOs with daily quests and absolutely despised them,I cannot comprehend why anyone would ever "play" gacha. Gacha have in no way replaced MMOs, that would be discord and the fact that MMOs have nothing unique to them anymore
>>741347549Lol, you only addressed the point that let you spew more misery with no additional effort.
>>741351079In many gachas you can't even communicate with the other players. In many of them there is no chat and the only way there us some kind of communication is a battle against the team of another player but the other player's team is often just computer controlled.
>there is a better timeline where Asmongold didn't become a politics/lolcow, he continued FFXIV, and he got his mother proper care instead of burning her to death.
>>741345483>>741349285>>741349209>>741348212>>741348151>>741348090>>741348003>ITT>AN ENTIRE thread of brain fried upset zoomers crying about something they never even lived throughI'm sure people talking about Rome right after the collapse who never lived in it were just as upset as you when they heard someone talk about a road and a bathAlso 2 years in COPEVID lockdowns made you all oversocialised and insaneYoure all becoming as angry as boomersReady to explode at the next slighest and mildest inconvienienceMaybe its time to log off. Touch grass perhaps
>>741351873Rome did not fall because of Nero, illiterate retard.
>>741345483The actual answer it was a letter agency plant It was listed in the Snowden link, blizzard is full of literal CIA and DOJ, up until a couple years ago they had the literal former director of the CIA there.
>>741345483It became a mobile game that's not on mobile.
>>741351079>Gacha have in no way replaced MMOsOverdosing on copium
>>741345549fpbpBoth things are dependent on their populations for their quality. When the original population leaves, the product suffers and becomes something else. Something no one really wants.
>>741345483You had to be there to understand, it was a different time.Back then not everybody was online and the internet itself was not like today.It was like I was living in that big online world with my buddies.Nobody had a clue what they are doing, not its all minmaxxed and stats and figured out.I just spend weeks/months in zones, doing quests, helping people, talking to my buddy etc.I dont think I ever even hit lv60 and I think I played like almost 2yrs.Maybe the internet is at fault idk. Because back then forums were actually interesting too. Its all shit now, especially since recently shithole countries came online.I did instances in a group with:>a 12yo kid>somebody who works at cern. >30yo guy who models for a living, total chad looking guy, but is also totally actually autistic and currently learning how to forge his own samurai amor while he watches naruto.we are never gonna go back.it was just filled with soulful people, its all over now.
>>741352149smartphones unironically killed the internet and made it into a soulles husk it is today
>>741345483Social media became more social than wow, pvp games like league of legends stole a lot of competitive players. Everything else is the same, the game has more active players now than in older expansions, because playing solo and mythic dungeons are more popular than raiding.
>>741352296true, yes.i remember when suddenly youtube videos were features on tv.i think even back then people said there is gonna be a huge influx of people on the internet.at the same time iphone launched. so i would pinpoint it to 06/07.it really went to shit after like 2015 though. now everybody just tries to make a quick $.i have no idea why i have black uber eat motorbike drivers watching ai slop on my timeline.millions of views though and no matter how much i say i dont want it, it still pops up. might as well watch ai monkeys rescue a baby directly.at least for vidya i have a huge retro collection and even cheap minipcs can handle most emulators nowadays.
>>741349458Vulpera are based, homo
>>741351873>Zoomers>Talking about UO and FurcadiaAre you literally fucking retarded?
>>741345549>4chan was always shiti hate this meme
>>741345483Initially it was because it was Everquest but with huge QoL, which made it more appealing to MMO veterans and newcomers. The 2000s was also a period where MMOs were going into the next generation, so anyone that had been interested in trying them but was either too young to, or couldnt for whatever reason then had a good jumping on point.It lost its appeal when it started catering to normalfags and hardcore raiders too much, leaving the actual exploration and making friends along the way secondary to fast clears. Also trannies for joining the company and shitting up the games lore.
>>741349738>SWTORThat had the best PvP at launch out of any MMORPG I played. It's a shame retard on /v/ shitted on the game so hard at launch, was quite fun even getting these matrix cubes and stuff in the semi open world. Just shows again you should never listen to /v/ because this board is fucking retarded.
>>741345483>>>/vg/
>>741345483Has Asmongold killed himself yet? Will he livestream it during the midterms?
>>741347809Manchild nostalgia.Very powerful stuff, but not unlimited.
>>741348003>primarily a chat roomAny fucking zoomer who claims this is like saying Mario Kart is just an item collector, that Pokemon is just a walking simulator, holy fucking kek their ignorance is incomprehensible. Such angry little savage clowns.
>>741345549zoomers sure are enjoying summer, kek. I'm sorry you didn't get to exist through the golden age of this site, I'd be angry too.
>>741356252>Manchild nostalgia.retard
>>741345483https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Hzh43k330This explains everything.
MMOs were/are cool because its ideally a third space that you can exist in to socialize and adventure with people you could never meet with personally in real life. The biggest issue is that social media subsumed that aspect of the game and there's nothing to obfuscate the at times basic design of leveling and questing. Collecting 10 gnoll cockrings is kind of dumb but playing with a friend or a rando and shooting the shit is what made it fun. That just doesn't happen to the same degree as it used to. People, if they are social, just hang out in their own little bubble irrespective of the general community in the game.
>>741345483>Why was this game so popular in the 2000’s and why did it lose its appeal?MMOs were public online chat rooms before we had popular online chat rooms, nothing was solved and when it did get solved it wasn't public knowledge, nobody was better then anybody else unless you were "that guy and or in that guild", you could say anything and for the most part not worry about getting in trouble.>2026>The MMO aspect of MMORPG is dead because the chat room element is an outdated feature plus many have chose t opt out of chatting because anything can be considered offensive now and be used to ban you>you cannot communicate in groups because everything is a speedrunner mini game now and communicating means your not pushing your rotation which means your not speedrunning>everything is solved before the content is released to the public>everyone has TTV in their name and acts like they will be the next ninja>if you ask a question everyone leaves the group because asking a question is a red flag in speedrunning>the easier the content the most all of this intensifies aka classic is easier then retail yet classic is more gatekept meanwhile retail is an e-sport
MMO's are garbage. Why can I only see players and NPCs in a 100 yard circle around my character?
>>741345924>I've attempted to get a bunch of friends who haven't played much MMOs to get into free oneswhy the fuck would you do that to people you call friends?
>>741356353Yes you are, manchild.A certified retard. Everyone knows this already.
>>741356576people like you are the reason gaming went to shit.
>>741356925Because mmos are still rough on hardware
>>741351873did police in america really shoot kids on the spot if they werent social distancing?
>>741357320You going to refute anything I said faggot? I'm objectively correct.
>>741350584If they made a wow/warcraft Gacha where you update your character and kill shit I would play. I have cute girl Gacha fatigue
>>741356343Zoomers are 28 now gramps. Lets go get you your AARP now
>>741358630IWANTPALWORLD1.0NOWREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>741357737Refute what? That traditional gamers aren't normies and don't play video games to socialize? every single true gamer tm knows that. If people are playing in group and/or to socialize they're filthy casuals. No wonder you flocked to casual theme parks like wow.
>>741358861So you played EverQuest over every other possible avenue of gaming to not engage socially with other players at a time when playing games online was basically unheard of? Half the point of the genre is the community.
>>741345483Social media happened. MMO games are just as garbage nowadays as they were 20 years ago. Nothing has changed but the appeal of socializing online and meeting people it just isn't there anymore. People barely even use voice chat anymore in other online games but when the novelty was still strong back in the early 2,000's people wouldn't shut up.
>>741359010>People barely even use voice chat anymore in other online games but when the novelty was still strong back in the early 2,000's people wouldn't shut uptalking shit internationally on halo 3 and modern warfare 2 lobbies were the best, hearing everyones voices light up on a clutch moment was an amazing feeling
>>741358985>So you played EverQuestactually didn't. I've played pretty much everything except the EQ.>Half the point of the genre is the community.yeah, the but the cummunity is not there to be friends you fart rainbows with. Best part of community are the enemies who only know the nicknames of. Best part of community are people engaging with the game itself, trying to best each other, even in PvE, in one way or another, any way, instead of "socializing" like on "social media". TL;DR: Best part is rivalry, not chatting.
>>741359209nta, tho, i'd say that in the old days what made community good was that even if though you werent explicitly roleplaying, you had an identity carved out on your server based on your interactions with people. In modern mmos, you have no real identity, you just queue up across multiple servers, see like 4-5 dudes that basically play like npcs due to rotations having a meme build, and then you all leave and never see each other again. There's nothing like having that one player with a good rep joining your team, or being the new guy but doing well enough that people want to play with you again.
>>741359209I think you've misunderstood that I mean socializing to mean just being friendly. I was just using a very basic example that chatting about bullshit while questing makes it more enjoyable.
>>741359413yes. because all of the modern gay ass multiplayer is goy normieslop. cooperative is very fun when there is a leaderboard. it is especially fun if you cooperate against another guild/faction/clan.
>>741359414>I was just using a very basic example that chatting about bullshit while questing makes it more enjoyable.it doesn't. At most I want to know is how your build has improved and what's the status of your alt.
>>741345483Why is this image AI or touched over by AI?Couldn't find a recent roachlord thumbnail to copy/paste with a WoW?
>>741345483>Why was this game so popular in the 2000’syou are a retarded child or a disingenuous retard adult
>>741359675kek okay big guy im sure everyone in the guild is ecstatic to see when you log on.
>>741358630And yet from the youngest to the oldest zoomers, they are still somehow so miserable and angry at every little thing. It's impressive, really. The shitposting abilities of a zoomer is illogically, hilariously low. I think they all belong on reddit, because they (you) are so cringe.
>>741359743I don't care about the guild bullshit. I care about the status of the guild being top, in killing other factions, for example. What I care about is people knowing that we will win an in-game event (like a BG in WoW), because I showed up.
>>741359839obsessed
>>741345483>Why was it popular in 2000.play with your buds and go on a fun adventure.>Why did it lose its appeal.Its the same exact game so its boring now, its been 25 years man, time to let this shit go. I quit after 6.
Two words: Office Elves
