> "ship" scene> obvious fake out> forced by player through violence> neither character has romantic intentions> one is actually terrified> glorified as genuine romanceFandom shippers are genuinely delusional and unstable. They will ignore or invent any subtext, character trait, or story beat to keep their fantasy alive. They deserve a court ordered dopamine detox and probably some relationship counselling.When called out enough they backtrack to "It's my head canon! It's my theory!" because you cant argue against something that's Technically Correct, but will still have the gall to get criminally upset and send death threats to authors when they're blatantly non canon ship proves non canon like those bakudeku freaks.Or god forbid they use the excuse "they aren't real people so it doesn't matter" as if using the argument pervy weebs use to justify attraction to lolis wins the argument. You can't say that fiction doesn't matter to justify why you think fiction you hyperfixate on does matter. The point of fiction is to pretend its real, disassociating from it to point out its fake isn't a real argument, it's a last ditch effort to avoid confronting your obsession.Regardless, fictional characters not being real isn't the issue. Nobody said you were harming the characters. The problem is you've spent so much time in your "I want to fuck toasters" echo chamber that you're degraded yourself psychologically to the point you are incapable of consuming narratives and media like a rational person. You are ruining the reputation of the media you enjoy because you are obsessive and can barely respect media enough to actually attempt to understand it. Although this is basically how fandoms operate now, shipping or no.The particular obsession with queer ships is whatever aside from the fact that lesbian ships are sometimes considered "too boring." So much for pride; welcome to being the new straight people, lesbos.
didn't read + krusie is canon
>>741387709shabbat shalom i'm jewish and deltarune, mixtape and expedition 33 are my favorite games
It's insufferable how seriously you faggots take this game. I always feel like the only one who isn't a mentally ill teenager trying to talk about it.
>>741387843
>>741387709I dont care about the shipping I just want noelle to suffer no matter what, not just the routes where I have to make kris rape her
>>741387709Okay but why did Toby write the scene like that retardIt's obviously bait for shipping, and thus encouraged by the author
>>741387709You sound like a woman
>>741387709I think you're really stupid and underage.As an adult, you just jerk off to whoever you like to see together. You enjoy what you enjoy.
Why is OP mad about something as vanilla as Krusie?
>>741390674Autism, probably.
Lesbian little girls.
>>741391058Most of them dislike her. And she isn't a very person to be around pleasant.>She's gone without so much as a single reference for 20 years and both of the two other characters to actually make it out of PC-98 acted like they were new anyway.Most of what we really know about Marisa's backstory makes it pretty obvious that something happened to her that taught her magic. >The average person brainwashes themself.The human villagers more brainwashed than anybody in the outside world. Humans use technology, Human villagers do not even use magic.
>>741387709The fuck is with this tumblr repost
>>741387709Suelle better not be the only canon ship.
>>741387709I wouldn't mind it if they didn't just like the lesbian ship because it is a lesbian ship even if both characters must die when they get 10 feet of each otherSwap the gender of any of them and suddenly you have people calling it toxic
Susie would be really shy in bed despite her tomboy demeanor. I can see her now looking down and covering her breasts while shouting>"C-close your eyes, jerk!"And then she would climb on top, avoiding eye contact throughout the whole ordeal until she's finally sure that you do love her as she is.
>>741390597evil ass rape deer
>this OPt-minus how long to janny?
>>741391325The human villagers dislike her because they want her to completely get rid of youkai and that's not really part of her job description.>something happened to her that taught her magicNever got this impression. It always looked to me like she put in what everyone else viewed as an absurd amount of work. She isn't a freak of nature, her raw power isn't above that of youkai like Reimu's.>Humans use technology, Human villagers do not even use magic.Yeah, and I think this is the villagers being stubborn and conservative of their old way of doing things, completely standard human state, no brainwashing required.
>>741391765about tree fiddy
>>741391765It's a long rant about characters in a video game and the fanbase, what's the problem
>>741387709I just hope Suselle isn't canon.I would be fine with everyone just being friends ending
>>741391930>video gamethere's your first problem
>>741391765Betting said janny was who made this thread
This scene is the same facet as Suselle and you can't convince me otherwise.
this is now a doefucker thread
six more days
>>741387709Didn't read, but thank you for your service, anon.
>>741392080incorrectit is a doehugger thread
>>741391386>>741391972There's just no chemistry. Just because Noelle is imagining Susie devouring her flesh piece by piece doesn't mean Susie has any strong feelings for Noelle
>>741387709Don't care.Didn't ask.The Krissusie agenda CANNOT BE STOPPED.
>>741392080This thread was born raped. Might as well.
>>741387709God, I hope it's a trap.
>>741387758FPBP
>>741387709Toby loves Krusie and anyone who hate this ship will mald and seethe next week
>>741392080This but the other doe
>>741391386There must be some players agency involved because Toby woudn't test you with a choice in chapter 2 and at the couch with Susie and with plushie choice if you were suppose to only support Suselle like a goy
>>741392312One day Kris will thank us for our selfless actions in setting him up with primo doe pussy. He's just young and doesn't know better, it's not his fault.
Reminder: Toby WON
>>741392478i may play favorites but by all means
>>741392550>>741392386>>7413877586 days 144 hours 8640 minutes 518400 seconds until Krusie loses forever
>>741392080>she's so hot when she's terrifiedIs not a sentence I would see myself saying before playing Deltarune and seeing this cute doe.
>>741391972Thats just a neutral 0+10 = You can pick Krusie, Kralsei, Kerdly, Kriselle as canon end+5 = You can pick between Kriselle, Krusie or Suselle+2= You are forced into Krusie0= no ships get confirmation-5= Suselle is forced but you can pick Berdly or Ralsei-10= Suselle is the only canon ship
>>741392636she looks like she stinks good
>>741392291Susie was promised to us by Toby
>>741392080Based
>>741392687I will never experience it because i will commit gun seppuku the moment chapter 5 ends with suselle confirmed and no Krusie route
>>741391596We need to make her act shy and feminine when she invite us to her room and tell us her backstory at the ferris wheel ride and whats her relation with Alphys.
>>741392482>The plushie choice flips a flag that defaults to giving the plush to RalseiSorry anon, it's just a tease to show Noelle's really fucking masochistic, had already ridden the ferris wheel with Kris and had an apparently memory-holed good time and also can't stop thinking about Susie all the time.
>>741392736I can see it
>>741392080Based doegods!
>>741391765I had never seen a Krusie OP thread getting pruned. I think Mods allow them but delete if its lewd, kress or Kriselle focused
>>741392849What's she looking at?
>>741387709Yuriroach seethe gives me life. Enjoy suselle sinking next week
>>741393085damn those tits, are you sure she isn't a cow?
>>741393174My benis. :D
Dess anally gaped Kris and made him subsist on a diet consisting only of her semen and feces true or false
>>741392251>doesn't mean Susie has any strong feelings for NoelleShe has, she said some corny ass lines when she saved her in C2.
>>741393268girls don't have semen
>>741393268>her semen?
im boredcan we change the channel? it's the same show every day
>>741393204BASED AND TRUE
>>741392080>kris fumbled this adorable cf
>>741393395>>741393398December Holiday was born Nicholas Holiday and transitioned at an early age
>>741393137FUCKING ADORABLE PIECE OF SHIT.I WANT TO DO NOTHING MORE THAN SAVE HER FUCKING FAMILY SO SHE CAN GROW UP AND BE NORMAL>>741393493WEATHER CHANNEL IS THREE BLOCKS DOWN MIKE, NEXT TO THE COFFEE AND WATER COOLER
>>741393493
>>741393516Damn. No wonder his life is so shit.
>>741393585wow he's literally me...
How hard will Susie crash out when she finds out about Kris and the Knight?
>>741393268That would explain why he's nonbinary I guess
>>741393682it's not gonna be an explosive type of crashoutshe's going to get very quiet and sullen
>>741393682I'm expecting Susie to be the ultimate jobber desu. The game is trying to trick us into thinking she will make a difference when in reality everything is going to fall apart around her and there will be nothing she can do.
>>741393682it'll either be apocalyptic or she'll be completely crushed and quietly walk away
>>741393516Childhood friends always betray, anonKrusie is the way
>>741393682Not as hard as when Noelle find out Kris intentionaly became distant despite caring just as much to 'protect' her all these years.
>>741393935
Less than a week of WAITING my ladshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbbIslll-U
>>741393989
>>741394018for some reason these last two weeks have gone by no problem for me
>>741394018>still six days left
>>741393682She still didn't apologise for bullying so she is still not that close to Kris. We NEED to have a moment at the ferris wheel becuase we didn't get a private 1 on 1 with Susie outside the optional Dinner scene and that piano backstory. We don't know whats her deal with Alphys and we still didnt get her to show us her tail.
I really wish we got to play the last board outside the sword route. Make it optional or something, I dunno.
>>741394191it'll all be worth it
>Pic related is the hint for the ch5 eggWhat the FUCK is this supposed to mean, Tobias. What's the strategy anons? How do we interpret this in order to find the egg?>>741394018I'm surprisingly calm right now, but I know come next next the hype will start getting to me.
>>741391817>The human villagers dislike her because they want her to completely get rid of youkai and that's not really part of her job description.There's also the fact she maintains the barrier. You know, the thing keeping her all trapped.The fact they don't try to lynch her to death is honestly impressive. >Never got this impression. It always looked to me like she put in what everyone else viewed as an absurd amount of work.It's not impossible but it seems unlikely she would go from a scared girl crying in the woods to a capable mage just on hard effort.>Yeah, and I think this is the villagers being stubborn and conservative of their old way of doing things,The problem is they... really aren't that stubborn and conservatives. They are kind to outsiders, highly receptive to their ideas, and willing to accept change when it comes. More so than that, they are a village of Youkai exterminators. How the fuck did they go from that to the modern human village without serious brainwashing? Or at least Youkai reorganizing their society to resolve around money and rich merchants rather than power and skilled exterminators.
I argued with some people in favor of RudyKnight and now I'm dreading the next chapter's reveals because I don't even believe it and I didn't convey that enough
How much do you wana bet Chapter 5 will reference Asgore's truck?
>>741394251>MEET MY AMAZING DAUGHTER OF FUR AND FLUFFY INTRIGUE>Ok Ceroba>1 HUMAN SOUL>No Ceroba
>>741394436it's on my bingo card
>>741394337The window containing chapter 4's egg is the 100th from the left.
>>741394337You can hold your breath during the Knight fight. Maybe that will be an act command
>>741394436to be fair, the game has a slight hint about asgore and kris sharing an interest over car magazines
>>741394458>YES CEROBA FTFY
>>741393749In contrast to her yelling at Ralsei with a thunderclap, this will be a quiet cold wind.Question is, will she really blame Kris? Or will she blame herself?
I still don't believe the Kris swooned his friends after the Knight fight theory
>>741394601blame herself for daring to trust someone ever again, for thinking it would turn out any other way
>>741394602He SWOONed Sussie (sexually).
>>741394602>I still don't believe the Kris swooned his friends after the Knight fight theory
>>741394674>blame herself for daring to trust someone ever again
>>741387758FPBP, /thread
>>741387758fpbp
>>741394458>>741394556tangential but I got curious about who was the original artist for the ok mario meme and this is the first fucking thing I see in his timelinehttps://x.com/sloshua_/status/1937366541013860701also posted on>Jun 24, 2025come fucking on, I'm losing my grip on reality
>>741393682hard to say she might be more hurt than angry, especially if she clues in that kris doesn't want her to get hurt
>>741394602While of course we can't know for sure I still think it's very likely personally
>>741394436as a thing? very possible the meme about it? i doubt it, toby seemed sick of it during the anniversary i'm personally putting my money on the superior bergentruckung meme being referenced
This is what I'm saving the world for
>>741394350The villagers don't feel trapped by the barrier, so there's no resentment over it.>it seems unlikely she would go from a scared girl crying in the woods to a capable mage just on hard effort.And yet one of the things that's remained clear about her for basically her entire existence is that nothing about her power is "innate". The other magicians consider her an insanely hard worker, even if they're annoyed at what she puts her work into. There's no reason to suspect there's secretly some seed of her power that came from her selling her soul to a youkai or what have you, not based on how she's been portrayed.>They are kind to outsiders, highly receptive to their ideas, and willing to accept change when it comes.Yeah, that's why they're still a largely manual agricultural society despite having established trade with the creatures capable of building impossible fantasy machines. They're totally willing to accept change where it comes, they just haven't accepted industrialized agriculture, among the most obvious and trajectory-altering changes that humanity in the outside world ever underwent, even with it handed to them on a silver platter. Because they're so open to change.>no that's a result of youkai oppression!Grimfaggots begone.
>>741394436Idk, but in a post 'mungus world anything's possible
>>741395009of course it is anon
https://x.com/Kirbopher/status/2067274613604970797How do you headcanon Noelle's voice?
>>741394873MY LEGS
so sick of Toby inserting politics into the game baka
>>741395274Lower pitched and more nasally than vid related
>>741395364Carols hand should be groping his crotch
Why does Carol believe in Kris's goodness/innocence but Rudy kinda sorta seems to hold Kris responsible for whatever happenedLike where did that split between the two happen, you'd think Carol would be more likely to lash out.
>>741393935>>741393989>>741394050when will someone else make another TGT type comic? you'd think there would be more copycats out there
>>741395274Does her voice change depending on what route you're on?
>>741395481How are you getting that from Rudy?Is this more weird route shenanigans?Otherwise Carol probably is manipulating Kris to help her family and doesn't implicitly trust him beyond extorting his feelings.
>>741395556I think for one thing is that TGT is genuinely a lot harder to make than it looks. Like, people look at the MSPaint style and think "wow this is low quality shit" but there's a coherence to the guy's style and any schmuck can't just start scribbling in MSpaint and make something that looks as consistently *effective* as TGT.
>>741395364
>>741395705This dumbass image made me actually laugh. Fuck you
>Susie established since chapter 1 to have profound trust issues>almost kills Lancer without listening to all he had to say>scream at Ralsei despite him never actually trying to hurt her>outright says "There's nothing that pisses me off more... than people who don't tell you the whole deal.">generally shown to be impulsiveKris and Ralsei can't hide the truth forever, and she won't take it well. Also, who knows what the fuck the final prophecy is about anyway.
>>741387709>can be triggered easily by accident trying to answer the textbox question>kris regardless pulls susie out of the way because he loves herI didn't finish the sword route btw
>>741391386Kriselle is already canon, why else would noelle do this?
>>741395737There's nothing to forget, but in the back of my mind, there is nothing.Don't forget? I don't have a choice.
>>741393682>implying she'll be around to crash out
>>741395737I will... wait, what was I doing anyway?
>>741395806the crashout will be legendary
>>741395737>haven't F5'ddon't forget
>>741395274I'm too autistic to ever imagine her with a voiceI just hear her in-game talk sound
>>741395954>vs. susie extended and with an actual song namefucking finally
>>741394221definitely feels like it is when on second break you can just wander right towards toriel before seeing what tenna's dialogue is, almost like you're making a choice to avoid the next round until you realize there's just extra dialogue and no progression if you head left
come on toby............i need weird route final boss kino...................
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>>741393682I wonder what will happen after the inevitable discovery of that and us existing. If we get to step in and tell Susie that Kris is being blackmailed to work for Carol/the Knight would she think "wait that makes sense" or just get even more pissed off?
>you can get the egg in chapter 4 even if you missed the egg in chapter 2 and 3huh
>>741396351>you can get a shadow crystal in chapter 4 even if you missed the crystal in chapter 2 and 3huh
>>741394148>>741394337it's like the chain lift portion of a rollercoaster ride
>>741396351you can always get the other eggs yes
>>741396336It all comes back to the funny jester that half-spoils the entire series with the lime green and yellow frill about his neck.A funny little dance, his yellow eyes the shape against stars, the J for Jevil, the devil without a disguise.Underneath the cap? No horns to be had, he threw those away long ago.
>>741387758Fippy bippy
>>741396336>>741396641What the FUCK is his deal?Why is this silly jester seemingly all knowing? Is it just the sort of knowledge that only comes from pure insanity?
>>741396752He's a mouse.
>Please... tell me...>Should I...>Should a... Darkner... be feeling like this?Of course not You're not a darkner, Ralsei.
What is the average KrisXNoellefag like?
I hate Ralsei but I can't find myself bullying him. I can't tell him to keep smiling or tell him his feelings are invalid. What the fuck
>>741396641I miss this silly faggot.
>>741391306>t.
>>741396854you don't actually hate him you hate that he might betray you
>>741395039>The villagers don't feel trapped by the barrier, so there's no resentment over itUh, yes they do? Where was it ever implied they did not? Everything we know about them is them resenting being in Gensokyo. There is not a single human village character in all of Touhou who likes living in gensokyo. The closest we get is Kosuzu, and even then she didn't give a fuck about her life in the human village. Every other opinion we heard on the subject is "We don't like this place". >Yeah, that's why they're still a largely manual agricultural society despite having established trade with the creatures capable of building impossible fantasy machines.Cause the Kappa aren't willing to give them those devices. >They're totally willing to accept change where it comes, they just haven't accepted industrialized agriculture, among the most obvious and trajectory-altering changes that humanity in the outside world ever underwent,Even ignoring the fact that, again, the kappa aren't willing to give them those devices. They are one small town of a few thousand people. How in the name of fuck are they supposed to get the resources to industrialize? Do you know the kind of psychotic infrastructure required to build a tractor? Even a primitive steam one requires a lot of effort, and that's not even getting into getting enough fuel. The only people that MIGHT be able to throw that level of capital together are the rich landholding elites... who would have no reason to do that. >Grimfaggots begone.Like I said: I think it's far more likely it's the fault of the corrupt rich people. Gensokyo is basically Epstein Island as a society.
>>741396813I literally never seen a vanilla Krisellefag on this board. Its all 100% weird route rape enthusiasts.
>>741387709Shipping is fine as long as the people don't get autistic over it and start attacking people over not accommodating their head cannon.
>>741396336Funny that you should post that less than an hour after I replayed the Noelle house segment and screencapped this.
>>741396873Tricky Toby played his schizo card too early and used up all the memorable secret bosses at the very start.Don't get me wrong I love all bosses equally but there was something so memetic with Jevil and Spamton.
>>741394337>"On Thursday, I go to sell the donuts"same area as the bake sale, and found in the room where you must run in circles to make the room darker and find the hidden tree (also right after the star walker room, the unoriginal one looks like the titan)>"On Friday, I toss the leftovers in the dumpster."found by going into the weird route spamton dumpster room>"On Saturday, I let it cool on the windowsill."found by going into the church window with an egg symbol, also found next to a cryptic areaNow finally...>"On Sunday, I harvest the wheat."Look out for areas/rooms that>are themed around wheat/bread/similar things>have some sort of cryptic symbolism about the deep lore>feature meta things like the annoying dog hitting you and leading to the UT gameover screen>some sort of sequence break of out of boundaries shenanigans, like walking away from susie in ch 4>out of game hints, like the dog car tweet from before chapter 2 or the church window page on the link mazetry passing through suspicious room transitions until you enter the egg room or you get bored, 3 outta 4 eggs have been acquired this waybut beware, tricky tony might pwn this patternfaggotry epic style in chapter 5
Did banny janny get demoted or something? I thought it was gonna be it for today.
>>741396813Go to /doe/ and find out. You'd think they're all about Noelle there, but it's mostly the specific ship Kriselle despite Soul + Vessel being an actual player insert.
It sputtered in a voice like crushed glass.
>>741396929Nah I just hate him for being a huge spineless faggot.
>>741393682There is 100% a Kris vs Susie fight mirroring Chapter 1's Susie vs Lancer. I'm willing to bet it's the climax of Chapter 5.
>>741391306All lolis are straight for (you)
>>741397092Janny stopped deleting threads and started moderating them, maybe he took his pills at last.
>>741397265I don't know who to molest first though...
>>741397089The man behind the tree will reap what was sown.
>>741392080Based as fuck.
>>741397205These little guys have the best battle theme in the entire game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRMn2HlCRFI
Are all Dessknighters running on purely vibes and wanting a second Flowey/Asriel?
>>741397593yes
How will you HONESTLY react when the Knight appears in the same room as Carol and Rudy, but they say it's not Dess?
>>741393493Just WAIT a couple days and you have plenty of things to talk about when Chapter 5 releases. Now it's resting time as we WAIT.
>>741397205Are we never gunna talk about the whole abortion thing implied by SPAWNs?Complete with the "When did you begin to be yourself?" question and the "You hear its heart beating in your ears" lines telling us it's very much alive and possibly inside every one of us. Or just Kris.
Suselle is just genuine shit. Its terribly written and the only basis for it is fetish plus FUCK YOU MOM
>>741397675probably yiik since it means noelle knight
>>741397553Spawn is criminally underrated. I wanna use it in a ttrpg, but I know my players would immediately know this.
>>741397751why doesn't noelle establish dominance by fucking carol?
>>741397675
I still don't know why the Roaring Knight has to be someone. Why does it have to be someone and not just "The Roaring Knight"?
I headcanon that Susie has Muscleman's voicehttps://youtu.be/3mfSz2PZh8M?is=iTMApTgS2tiELFrQ
>>741393682The knight is actually Susie from a previous playthrough trapped in a timeloop
>>741394436I'm pretty sure trying to reference it would get your message deleted during the anniversary stream. So I wouldn't bet very much.
>>741394436>Damn Kris, your dad hits like a truck!I'd be more surprised if it didn't happen
>>741397736Titanspawn are broken dreams. I will not elaborate.
I don't know Kris's goals but he better not break free from the game and start living with me in the real world as my roommate.
You know what fuck it, here, since we were on the whole "Twin Peaks" is literally Deltarune thing, here have this. You will get no more context besides you shouldn't watch this unless you've seen "Fire Walk with Me".https://youtu.be/_fJmRznW40Q?t=140
>>741397934I'm gunna put you in the trash bin and never hit "delete all"
What makes the most sense to me is that the knight is some demon nigga possessing dess, kind of like what spamton tried to do. Carol just doesn't strike me as the type to be doing the dirty work, Rudy seems even less likely on top of having aids.
>>741397736We honestly don't know enough about these little freaks to hazard a guess beyond being the natural consequences of going full retard with Dark Fountains
>>741398043How the fuck should I explain that to anyone? Oh yeah this guy came from my video game and now he's real and living with me. I'd sounds insane! Cops would be involved. I can't handle that stress
>>741397205So the knight's an evolved titan spawn with a lightener's soul?>>741397553Spawn is the only good song of chapter 4 and I'm done pretending it isn't
>>741398102
>>741398138Always bet on Dess corpse puppeteered as a vessel for the dark.
I forgot why I drew this, just remember that it was a request from someone on /v/
>>741397934...are broken hopes a thing too?
>>741398138Even from a contrast perspective I also just can't see Carol or Rudy doing Jojo poses while floating up the stairs
>>741397751While I do believe that a socially stunted moron like Susie would romantically fold to the first peer to show her unconditional kindness, it's a little too mushy kiss-kiss for me. There's not enough baggage and conflicting feelings for me to go insane with like with Kriselle or Krusie or even Ralsusie
>>741394018These two weeks have passed by incredibly fast. Just a few more WAITing and Chapter 5 is at hand. I'm very determined to play it
if you don't recruit everyone but also don't lose anyone to violence you still get the ending where jackenstein survives. does something similar happen with tenna?
>>741398271Is that supposed to be pizzapants? looks cool but its sideways
>>741397835>>741398138>"And so wept the fallen star, making rivers with its tears. Then, slowly, from the bitter water, something grew. It looked like glass." The Knight is made of glassThe Shadow Crystals are glassThe Black Shard is a dark, opaque piece of glass>"The shadow crystals are far more than mere pieces of glass. In actually, they contain a certain power.">"You could call this the power of will.">"No, perhaps will isn't right. The power they contain is..."The Knight is most likely not literally a person, but a manifestation of someone's determination/dreams, a twisted Dark World idea of a thing.
Is there a single actual confirmation within the game that this "conspiracy" exists?What we actually have:>Knight and Kris having some deal going on>Carol being weird with Kris>Carol being weird about the shelter (having the code and getting Undyne involved)>Carol being weird with Asgore (how exactly their dynamic goes in unclear)There is a possibility Carol doesn't know about the Knight and each have their own agendas, Kris being a double/triple agent for them.
>>741392080i got doe MILFs
>>741387709>Fandom shippers are genuinely delusional and unstablewhat a brilliant and new perspective on the topic
>>741397443You don't need to chose one first, you can always multi-track drift you know?
>>741398271Is this Rudy?
>>741398564That puts the number of individual parties Kris is secretly working with for separate goals without any of the others' knowledge at three.Carol, the Knight, Ralsei.Kris coming pre-packaged with two separate secret plots predating our presence in the game and immediately gaining a third in chapter one feels overly contrived.
>>741398564The "conspiracy" is mostly fandom because people think the phone voice is Carol and thus she's the Knight's and Kris's boss.
>>741397835if that were the case then there would be no reason to hid it's identity, it would simply be 'the knight'but kris acts really cagey about it in ch4, so it must be someone we can identify
>>741398813I don't disagree, but the idea of this sprawling conspiracy with Carol pulling all the strings without hard evidence sounds like the sort of assumptions people made about the game back in the day.
so what's with Alphys trying to dodge Susie and Susie trying to not get near Alphys? Are they actually related or some shit??
>>741398545>The Knight is most likely not literally a person, but a manifestation of someone's determination/dreams, a twisted Dark World idea of a thing.The Roaring Knight is clearly an Enemy Stand that's being remotely controlled by Rudy while he's chilling in the hospital.
>>741398923I mean if we knew it was some fucked yo creature of darkness and will could the soul just unleash it to death like the titan spawn?Also the idea of it getting unmasked but it ends up revealing that it's a fuck up mess of darkness underneath sounds cool as hell
>>741398545This theory I like actually>>741398923When does it give it's identity? I think it just looks like that.
>>741397089This is a good strategy anon, thanks.>but beware, tricky tony might pwn this patternfaggotry epic style in chapter 5The hint makes it seem like chapter 5's egg will be quest style like chapter 3 instead of a room transition. Like >>741394525 said look out for battle acts with things like breath or count and try moving left in situations you normally can't.
>>741398853>people think the phone voice is Carol and thus she's the Knight's and Kris's boss.Occam's Razor
>>741399252Why does carol arrive in the weird route even though Kris wasn't on call with her at all there?
>>741398813>Kris coming pre-packaged with two separate secret plots predating our presence in the game and immediately gaining a third in chapter one feels overly contrived.I mean, the triple trucies foreshadowing is right fucking there.
>>741397835Our first description of it describes it as though it were an individual, someone who showed up and started opening dark fountains, and as far as we know, only Lightners are capable of doing that, given the Darkners and the Dark World are only given form when a Dark Fountain is open.
>>741399114Alphys is a coward while Susie is afraid of being expelled. Simple as.
>>741399328Cause that's her house
>>741399406what exactly is susie getting from staying in school besides eating the chalk?she comes in late and so on, not putting much effort in the first place
>>741399114They're each in a ship that's so sucky, it could form a black hole if members from the other couple were to interact.
>>741398564>There is a possibility Carol doesn't know about the Knight and each have their own agendas, Kris being a double/triple agent for them.Carol isn't with working with the Knight. We don't know yet who was Kris talking to in the kitchen. Maybe it's the Knight, maybe not. But Kris has their own personal agenda which is either their own or with the Knight. But since Kris is a good guy I believe it's for the greater good and not to end the world (I also believe in suicidal Kris theory)
>>741396813Hello! us krisellefags love childhood friends into lovers and seeing the doe and human smile and be happy together. Personally, I only visit these threads in the few weeks before and after release of new chapters, since that's when I enjoy them the most.
>>741399576Doe hugger thread confirmedHug the cowDO IT NOW
>>741399482Nobody likes being kicked out of school, even if they're a delinquent. Even in Chapter 1 Susie says she doesn't want to be expelled, either.
>>741399482Maybe she promised Toriel she'd stay in school.
so what are characters motivations anyway?why does knight want to start third impactasgore, something happened that made him get thrown out of house, trying to prove something he is working with carol, she probably wants her daughter back because what else she might have want?Ralsei just wants everyone to be happy and for the story to have good ending?
>>741399857>why does knight want to start third impactwants to reset the timeline so Kris can be her shota again
>>741398564>Carol being weird with Asgore (how exactly their dynamic goes in unclear)I think it's a pretty clear cute "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" situation. She keeps him on a tight leash by pretending to help him, while giving him nothing useful that could spoil her plans.
>>741399901it all makes sense now...
>>741394436It will be a boss
>>741393085sauce?
>>741396813Personally, I just want these fucked up kids to be happy again and I think the best way they could do that is by reconciling with and rebuilding what they had before. Snowgrave has kino art and is also cool in a "doomed by forces beyond their control" sort of way. I like both, but would prefer the former.
>>741393253wait until you figure out what female reindeer are called
I HATE THE YURITARDS I HATE THE YURITARDS
>>741387709> obvious fake outBecause they didn't kiss? They never do in these scenes, dumbass.> forced by player through violenceYou did not force Kris to pull her, Kris pulled Susie to save her. Which is an classical setup.> neither character has romantic intentionsIt's very blatantly teasing it? What do you think a ship scene is? > one is actually terrifiedYet again you take this phrase out of context. Kris was not terrified of doing this. Kris was terrified of Susie being hurt.> glorified as genuine romanceDamn, you're right, how could a character that usually never shows emotion panicking after someone they care about being threatened be romantic? And it being followed by her defusing the situation by shoving her head and telling said person they can smell it? Completely platonic. Why, they even have her offer a used drink the moment after, just like those japanese tropes of "indirect kissing" do. Nothing romantic about that.Your entire argument is retarded and delusional. None of it has any depth. Literally nothing you said in your long spew of words means ANYTHING. You sir, are a pretentious twat.
>>741399857>why does knight want to start third impactwe don't know yet>asgore, something happened that made him get thrown out of house, trying to prove something most likely the december case, but his hangup sounds like something he was personally responsible for rather than simply failing to find her>he is working with carol, she probably wants her daughter back because what else she might have want?Carol's M.O. is to press pause and rewind on her life before it fell apart with her daughter dead and husband dying>Ralsei just wants everyone to be happy and for the story to have good ending?He's struggling between fulfilling his purpose and following his heart, much like Kris
What does this mean? Other than that the festival will be on a Wednesday.
>>741400196>someone actually read all of that mess of an op I'm impressed anon
>>741396813I'm a complete and utter vanillafag and always fall for the childhood friends -> lovers trope. I wasn't expecting myself to like Noelle all that much (excluding chapter 2 weird route stuff), but that scene where she brings Kris to her room in chapter 4 basically reshaped everything I ever thought about her, and now she's my favorite character in the game.
>>741399857We literally don't know most of these, we just have to WAIT
>>741400287Noelle is great whenever she's NOT around Susie which is why Suselle is such trash as it brings down both of their characters
How likely do you all think Dess is a human? Be honest.
>>741396813half of them are ex-charatards who are in it for the trauma, while the other half are yurifags who are in it for the trauma. there's are like five normal krisellefags and they've all jumped ship to try and pysop kanacole into existance to fill the void that toby's gay ass will never fulfil
>>741399208it doesn't but the iirc 2 times that you can attempt to find out kris first suddenly forces himself to imagine something different, and then refuses to open up the side door in the church that the knight is very heavily implied to be on the other side of this tells me that kris doesn't want (you) to know who the knight is, for whatever reason
>>741400481Zero. Any evidence given is just dialogue that was misread.
>>741400481undertale. thats all im going to say
>>741400481not likely but it would be a pretty crazy twist that there was a second humanitd also explain why we havent seen a proper dess design or why kris force shuts the book from the librarby about raising a human childor why that book even exists in an otherwise all-monster town in the first place
>>741393682>hey kris...>you know what happens to traitors?
>>741400261festival is on a sunday, ch1 was thursday, ch2 was friday, ch3 was friday night, and ch4 was saturday, bleeding a little bit into sunday
>>7414004810%, her being human actively takes away from kris' feelings of isolation and not belonging there are other ways for them to have bonded
>>7414004810.001%Not entirely impossible, but very very unlikely
>>7414004810%. She has shoes fit for hooves.
>>741400276I just like Krusie.And I really, really, really, really, REALLY hate Suselle.
>>741387709Krusie is the only true answer.
>>741400481would be absolutely retarded
>>741393085
>>741399857>KrisClearly being pushed to co-operate out of guilt over the Dess-apearance. Chapter 4 normal route literally ends with the phone voice remindnig him of his promise.>CarolMost likely working with Kris to bring back Dess>RalseiHis character arc starts with him accepting the prophecy and the final sacrifice as inevitable ,and he has now gained the courage to fight fate for a happier ending.>AsgoreGiven his black shard he clearly knows the Dess-apearance involved dark worlds. Was probably called crazy and is trying to clear his name. We don't know if Carol is honestly co-operating with him or just keeping him on a leash and outside the big plan. >The KnightThis part is heavily speculative until we know the final prophecy. We don't even know if the Knight is Pro-prophecy or anti-prophecy.
>>741400107holy fuark nice cowtits for that fucking cow
I HATE THE SHIPFAGSI HATE THE SHIPFAGS
>>741400107oh hey its that guy who drew december as charlie krik also made alot of lactation porn with this dess
I still believe in NG+. After you brat the game, you get the option to go back through every chapter but with your vessel instead. A vessel that doesn't try to hide shit. If you want to read about Asgore in the Police Station, you can, if you want to go into Asriel's room in Queen's mansion you can. Vessel will never try to rip it's soul out and take away control
>>741400921*Beat the game
>>741396813The dog makes me suffer on the regular, temptation after endless temptation to see if there's any actual hope in the weird route for things to work out. That horrifying temptation to take something so beautiful and make it my own, make it something corrupted, it's coated in a sugary glass. Black, inscrutable unless you are within it.I can't do that. I can't ever. I may never come out of it.And she doesn't deserve that. She deserves to make her own choices. To be herself. Still. After everything.It's so bad I can't even bring myself to watch or actively learn about the weird route. As though the memory itself would be corrupted. That the hope I had would be dashed on what I'd know. All I get is slowly drip-fed to me here, heart-sinking, soul squeezing, dream-invading.So yeah I love it, 10/10 ship fuck you
>>741393085Canon btw. Toby told me so
>>741400892ALL MY NIGGAS DARKENERSNIGGA HAIL GASTER
>>741399857>so what are characters motivations anyway?Susie wants feel like she's finally important and worth something. Kris has two motives. He feels horrible guilt over something in the past, and has made some kind of promise in an attempt to resolve it, however that's in conflict with his desire to see his new friends happy and safe.Ralsei believes attempting to avert the prophecy is hopeless, and only wants to everyone to enjoy the short time before doomsday.Noelle is furiously horny and lonely.>why does knight want to start third impactNo clue. We might figure it out if we learn more about the knight, the prophecy, or the roaring itself. but currently it's pure speculation.>asgore, something happened that made him get thrown out of house, trying to prove something >he is working with carol, she probably wants her daughter back because what else she might have want?Carol's motive is probably related to Dess, but her primary motive might actually be to protect Noelle instead.>Ralsei just wants everyone to be happy and for the story to have good ending?Again, Ralsei does not believe the good ending is possible.
>>741400921The writers are too lazy to update the game that much it would be too hard for someone too scared to make a proper dojo or a party chat
>>741401059what the fuck I literally had this image ready to post and forgot about it
>>741401063
>>741400820Best ship will always be (you) x your waifu
(.Y.)
When do you collect the codes to the shelter this is taking too long
>Kris LV4 Dark Bead - Broken off, but still locked.Soulellebros, are (We) ready to break free and end this prophecy once and for all?
>>741397089I've been thinking about this, why doesn't anyone put these in order? Maybe it's not important, but maybe there's some significance to the chapter order according to this?>wheat harvest, the beginning of the cycle>chapter 5>cooling on the windowsill, freshly baked donuts>chapter 4>selling the donuts>chapter 1>tossing the leftovers>chapter 2Chapters 3 and 4 are on the same day, so I assume 3 would be the last place to go, especially since the Man can talk to you there. So maybe 5-4-1-2-3 means something?
>>741401128WTF I love Gaster
>>741401162this shit gay as hell anon
I just want to fulfill the prophecy, its the easiest way to finish the game.
>suselleyuri>krusieyuri>kriselleyuri>ralsusietrans yuri>kralseiyuri>kerdlyhonorary yuri fuck you and thanks for the 20 bucks
>yfw you can find Sans and Toriel smoking in bed at the start of Chapter 5
>>741401391DEPORT
>>741401279>women licking (you)>gayNgmi
>>741401162Oh I know why I hate this image. That's definitely not how tongues or mouths work. It's some kind of weird anatomy
>>741401402
Reminder that the Weird Route likely ends with a massacre of Hometown if SWORD is to be believed. Does Toby have it in him to go full 'school-shooter'?
>>741400892realest theory out
>>741401485Why is Dess so... big?
only with the power of purple lizard romance can kris be convinced to stop being a depressed nobody
>>741401485cute
>>741401501doesn't even have it in him to let you engage in battles on your own, they just happen to you in this gamemany opportunities to fight queen and tenna are outright ignored, the knight isnt fought in chapter 4 either
>>741401539do it for her
>makes charafags jealous>makes kressfags seethebehold, the power of CANON
>>741401530Artist couldn't draw guitar any smaller.
>>741394602Unfortunately for you, anon, since the Knight is Kris's Original Soul + Dess, Kris technically always has Swooned Susie and Ralsei.
>>741401489don't worry one of these days humanfags will discover how human anatomy work
>>741401620I've never seen a kressfag seethe at dessriel
>>741401620but what if a headcanon her and chara mutually raping asriel. you ever thought of that
>>741401501>prophecy/roaring doesn't happen>but everyone in hometown gets fucked anywayI could see it happening as a loophole for the "only one ending" shtick
>>741401650I told ya to shut up and you didn't listen. Oh look, a free soul.
>>741401615kris just needs to regain the will to live
>>741401706you're lucky to have never browsed /doe/
>>741401752We know she's older than Kris, and that Kris copies all her poses when she's the knight, so they must have a very strong connection.
>>741401662actual foreshadowing right here
>>741401716Anon, you know it's not rape if he wants it.
>>741397736>You hear its heart beating in your earsthat's you anon. the red soul. the player is the FRIEND inside kris.
>>741401716well then you're a faggot anon.
>>741400481it's genuinely one of the most retarded theories that is somehow still mildly popularit's so bafflingly stupid that i honestly can't understand how anyone could believe it
Did anyone even attempt to figure out what all the talk about acorns in chapter 4 was about?
>>741401752right gets my dick hard so it's canon to me
>>741401185We already have 2 of the codes anon1225 and 2202.
noelle is a ho ho hoe
>>741401716That's fine. Asriel deserves two girlfriends after undertale.
>>741402052fact
>>741402052true
>>741402143Her panties wouldn't look like that.
>>741401978It feels like everyone is head cannoneer to be something they are not. Kris is actually a dog and not a human. Susie is actually half human. Noelle is actually a trans girl. People are just expecting expectations to be subverted
>>741401501If the weird route has undertale style battles in the light world where you can kill hometown residents I would actually get up and kneel IRL for Toby. I don't think the game will go that far though. I assume you'll freeze Susier and Ralsi and then a cutscene happens and everything is covered in snow, like how genocide blows up the universe or whatever.
>>741401978all dess theories are retarded, it's a litmus test that if somebody follows a dess theory they're a fucking idiot and their opinions don't matter. granted rudy and carol knight are also retarded, but they're at least less retarded enough to realize the dessknight shit makes zero fucking sense in any capacity
>Kris X Susie>Kris X Noelle>Kris X Ralsei>Kris X Berdly>Kris X (You)>Kris X DessYAAAAWN>Kris X His cactusNow THERE'S a ship you can set your watch to!
>>741402273anon isn't aware of the cactus theory
>>741402223they don't like what the actual evidence points to so they make shit up. that's how it always goes. some theory they all hated will end up being the closest and they'll all go "how could we have predicted that", despite the theory drawing heavily from actual clues in the game.
>>741402226dess knight "fits" and is easy to accept because we don't know much of anything about dess so just filling in the blanks with headcanon works, and toby can just explain it later when it happens plus it's an obvious build-up for people that pay attention to all her mentionsif dess gets a lot of focus in ch.5 it's almost certainly set-up for her to be the knight, but it's impossible to tell for sure right now
Give me your predictions for how the very first scene of chapter 5 will be.>another ominous blank screen with text like in 2>Kris simply wakes up normally and talks to Toriel somewhere in the house>chapter 4 flashback that reveals what the final prophecy is>Kris jumped the window and stayed the night on Susie's place>ominous cellphone voice waking up Kris>more Gaster dialogue
>>741402273M-masaka
nite
>>741402368It doesn't really explain why the fuck it looks like a titan and glitches out like one even it's injured a lot
>>741402226Why doesn't Dess make sense? The only counter evidence to it is claiming that Dess is too busy being dead to be the knight, which is countered by dustners, or claiming that Dess is too busy being unused to be the knight, which is countered by the timeline.The strongest way to beat to Dess knight is being a hardline Rudy supporter..
>>741402316Isn't that basically just kriselle?
>>741402374>ominous dialogue>kris wakes up and can talk to toriel normally>she doesnt really remember what happened>you go find susie and talk about itthis will be the opening
>>741402423that's where the headcanoning part comes in, and where toby can just explain the situation latter at that point you're just denying any knight allegation because it's not 100% confirmed, everyone knows they are just theories it's just about which one seems most likely and would fit within the story
>>741402368dess knight doesn't fit, she doesn't fit at all, if it did all the dess theories wouldn't require filling in the blanks with headcanon for toby to fill in later. it requires you to ignore basic shit like "findher". you can make up some stupid obtuse bullshit to ram it in, but you're just ramming a square peg into a circular hole.whoever the knight is, THE CLUES ARE ALREADY IN THE GAME. YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE SHIT UP.
>>741402458I'm not sure Toby would be up to imply drunk rape after the whole rose debacle.
>>741402514>basic shit like "findher"NIGGER THAT'S NOT BASIC SHIT THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE FUCKING GAMEthe clues are there yes but the puzzle is not complete, that's the fucking point, on this analogy the dess pieces seem like they would fit, if we got more of them in the future that kept fitting well
>>741402374Almost certainly you're gonna be woken up by sans
>The Knight is an amalgamWould it be kino?
>>741402423The knight is decked out in top tier equipment made of titan stuff, part of which serves the purpose of hiding her identity and enabling her to continue using dark world abilities while in the light world. When the armor is glitching, that's because it's damaged enough to threaten one or both of those functions.
>>741402490The only way I can even explain it is like if somehow a titan spawn absorbed her soul without it being a fucking cluster fuck that brings up more questions
>>741402587nta but spamton sweeps is more canon than the complete made up bs people shove in to justify dessknight
>>741402587>NIGGER THAT'S NOT BASIC SHIT THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE FUCKING GAMETHE MOTHERFUCKING FRIENDSHIP BRACELET YOU RETARD
>>741402524He implied cuckshit and homosexuality nothing is beneath that degenerate
>>741402595but what if you're woken up by papyrus instead?
Actually, Dess and Azzy are both in college and doing just fine with their human boyfriend, Me.Shame I don't have any art of that...
>>741402587It's the fucking files retard and it's used in chapter 3's secret blue gumball machine room
>>741402587Someone didn't play the gaaaame.
>>741402587>NIGGER THAT'S NOT BASIC SHIT THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE FUCKING GAMEit's the name of the lostgirl song that plays in the holiday house, and shit like ost song names are relevant to theorycrafting because toby plays shit that way. it's always the same shit with knight theories handwaving shit that doesn't agree with them because they found 1 or 2 little clues that have cemented as hard gospel. you want the actual truth to the knight shit? go look at spamton. half the knight clues and references are connected to that little short faggot.>b-but spamton doesn't have antlersthis type of stubborness is why your theories end up wrong.
>>741402273>>741402316reminder that there's a very high chance that the dreemurr cactus is named 'noelle', due to noelle's cactus being named 'kris'
>>741402906don't forget 'elly is noelle's nickname, from that newsletter poem
>>741402273>>741402906the cactus that used to live upstairs loves you. please push it aside.it's important to push away loved ones, sometimes.it's talking about asriel
>>741402765>GOOD MORNING HUMAN TEENAGER!>WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOME BREAKFAST?>NYEH HEH HEH!kino
>>741387709Didn't read
Feminizing Susie
>>741403008Can't believe brocon Kris is actually canon
>>741402765>GREETINGS BROTHER TWO>OR SISTER ONE>ACTUALLY LET'S GO WITH COUSIN BUT ONCE UNREMOVED.>"SIBLINGS" YEAH OKAY THAT'S A BETTER IDEA.>I, AM PAPYRUS THE GREAT.>AND-- YOU'RE REALLY KRIS?????>WOWIE! I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M COUSIBLINGS WITH A REAL LIVE HUMAN!!!>WHAT'S THAT??? YOU HATE MY GUTS???>SILLY SIBLING, SKELETONS DON'T HAVE GUTS!!>IT'S WHY I HIDE IN MY ROOM ALL DAY.>AND WHY WE'RE NOW ROOMIES!Eh. That'd be funny at least. Now we can take Papyrus on another extra strange fucked up step-date to the festival. Hurray. Thanks Toby.
>>741403189
>>741402514>whoever the knight is, THE CLUES ARE ALREADY IN THE GAME.Disagree, if this were the case then there wouldn't have been all this fuss to begin with. DessKnight doesn't require you to ignore anything, nor is any of what you have to headcanon about Dess particularly out there.
>OP is a fagwhat else is newIt's really, really nice to be able to play chapter 1 through 4 all at once, to be honest. Hope you anons are enjoying your replays.I was reading some autism at work about how some anons don't like Kris for """not obeying""" but it's sincerely kino that Kris has been compromised from the start and getting to understand his fear in being used up through gameplay alone.P.S. it's really fucking annoying Toby made Kris a 'them'. It sincerely fills me with disgust when I'm reading youtube comments and I have to see shit like>Did u just call Kris a 'he'?and having to see the video maker scramble to be seen as an ally clarifying a mistake in his accent.It's my headcanon that Kris is meant to share the player gender but if you're going to be the meta guy and just call Chara "evil boy" in your game files anyway just make Kris the little chud he clearly fucking is.
Ralsei is a titian, or at least similar to one. Only titans and characters with a similar power like the knight are able to cause changes in the light world by interacting with objects in the dark world. The knight was able to destroy Tenna in chapter 3, close the door between the church lobby and auditorium in chapter 4, and the titian proper was able to completely trash the place. Kris and Susie on the other hand, no matter how much chaos they cause, leave the light world completely unaltered after the fountain is sealed. Even the weird route in chapter 2 didn't leave anything in the computer lab damaged. Ralsei however was able to close the Great Door between castle town and the card kingdom.
>>741403251>P.S.yeah those comments are annoying as shit
deltarune theorists suck ass. for example the graffiti in the alley, everyone just assumes it's ice-e because of the shape, not taking the extra 5 seconds to parse that it's fucking name is written right beside it. obviously we can't read the symbols or maybe it's just the handwriting, but it doesn't take a 3-digit IQ to tell that it's clearly not ICE-E written there. the name is a 2-letter word, followed by a longer word. like mr. generosity or w.d. gaster
>>741403050>>741403172>GOOD MORNING KRIS!>I'M PAPYRUS, YOUR NEW UNCLE APPARENTLY.>ISN'T THAT AWESOME?
>>741403328The classroom is a complete mess after chapter 1, but we don't see it until after the fountain is sealed, so it's hard to say if it was like that before.
>>741403251why isn't kris letting me complete the mission
>>741403240>if this were the case then there wouldn't have been all this fuss to begin with.it's the case because you people are all fucking retards. you're so hell-bent on dess knight you just make shit up for toby to "fill in later" instead of theorizing on what toby's actually given you right now. like friend literally using the knight's laugh file in chapter 4. wowee that's actually a physical hint from the game itself, right? isn't that incredible? nobody had to make anything up!
>>741402215
>>741403432He promised
>>741403240Why does carol arrive we need to find her.ogg then?
>>741403328only real people can cause changes in the light world, that's fact. dark worlds aren't real, same with darkners. ralsei can affect the light world because he's a real person. same with the knight. the titan is more like a fucked-up night terror situation where you'd probably end up like berdly.
>>741403251>P.S.It's pointless anyways since those very same people that'll jump you for assigning a gender to Kris will also claim they're representation of their flavor of "trans-identity".It's all very silly isn't it?>You're not allowed to project onto Kris as they're their own character>Unless it's the "good" sort of projection
A total takeover is necessary.
>>741403539it's wild how much this looks like those status update doodles from toby
>>741403251kris is actually the girl. the fiery sword magician girl. the owner and wearer of the princess gloves. it's why catty and bratty call kris "krissy", cause they're dense assholes who wouldn't give a shit about gender identity pronoun stuff.
>>741403452Nono you don't get its swords a bat if you ignore the top pixels and we need to find a part of her even though that's not finding her!!!!
>>741403539WHAT DOES THAT THING WANT
>THE CLUES TO THE KNIGHT AREN'T IN THE GAME!!!!!!! WE JUST HAVE TO HEADCANON ITAverage dessknighter vibesonly theory
>>741403645I'd accept that, fiery sword magician girl sounds cool
>>741403690>you have to theorize stuff for a theory when you don't have all the informationwoah...
>>741403546yeah fuck that cuckshit make the game possible to actually complete
>>741403557The dark worlds are real, and Ralsei is full of shit when he says they aren't. If they were just the hallucinations of lighteners that observe anti-photons, then why do all lightners see the same things? Why are darkeners able to communicate information that none of the lightners present possesses? And why are titans able to destroy things? The light world is only as real as the dark world is.
>>741403682SEXEX
>>741403776I only base my ideas on exact text from the text dump of Deltarune. If it isn't stated, it isn't true.
>>741403791>if Mommy drives by McDonalds and doesn't get me tendies then it's cuckoldry>she shouldn't have driven by it at all, what the fuck momit's ok lil bro, youll get your tendies, trust the dogESPECIALLY don't trust the dog
>>741403885
>>741403885What if mom said we're going to get chicken tendiesWhat if mom got me this video game and it's not letting me beat it
>a second jitterbug has hit the krismas
>>741403961Frisk really brings that image together, it is a fantastic Frisk
>>741403885Can I trade out Kris for a Niko? I promise I won't make him fight, I just want him to actually ask the questions I ask him to and open all unlocked doors I find.
>>741403776see >>741403843there's plenty of shit to work off of to make a theory. check the dialogue for terms and phrases, cross reference.here's an example: the knight is heavily associated with "making", right? "the knight which makes". so let's check if that phrase is used in any abnormal places or contexts. and there actually is! from spamton!>YOU'VE BEEN [Making], HAVEN'T YOU!>YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [Hyperlink Blocked]!>AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SUPPLY, YOU DON'T NEED ME!!!now we have a little piece of potential evidence, that isn't made up. something that could be expanded upon. maybe it doesn't go in a direction you like, but evidence is about finding the answer that's right, not the answer you like.
>>741404168Not if you've touched the weird route you won't.
Reminder.
Why would Knight Dess start the roaring when that could put Noelle in danger and she hates that, is she stupidWhy would Knight Carol start the roaring when she is overprotective over Noelle, is she stupidWhy would Knight Rudy start the roaring when he wants the best for Noelle, is he stupidWhy wouldn't the mentally unstable Noelle start the roaring GET IT GET IT
>>741404240What's the dragon in the prophecy?Gerson changed a few things, but we never learned who the dragon was in relation to the prophecy.
>>741404208Spamton would absolutely sell NFTs. I mean try to sell NFTs.
I just need to know this.
>>741404240Please send help, I'm too drunk to understand this.
Why do you think the Knight's goal is starting the Roaring?
>>741404267I trade you this: no knight sightings occur when Noelle is in the dark world.And, independent of Noelle, Spamton still yiiks the fuck out when he mentions it.
>>741404381
cowboys, cooks, nerds, ballerinas, boxers, some cutie with a bow and a toy knife, who else can we expect to meet next week?
>>741404267>implying the entire Holiday family isn't comprised by dumbasses
>>741404320the dragon isn't in the prophecy, gerson made it up. susie isn't in the prophecy at all.
>>741404404The roaring will trigger some event in the prophecy that the knight finds advantageous. Maybe the knight considers themself the angel and is expecting a wish.
>>741404473Your best friend, of course!
>>741404208It's a shock that people ever thought that the Crypto-supporting Motif Thief that wants your Kromer would ever be against NFTs
>>741404381 kris already lost their hand. see pic related. hometown is the angel's heaven.
>>741404042how does he the ghost?
In ng plus you get to play as the vessel and get to pick up the shelter codes and all the other stuff
>>741404536FPapyrus?
>>741404498Perhaps, but on a similar note, it's possible that the Knight's not deliberately triggering the roaring because of some middle-state that they find advantageous. Or, I should say, that their Boss finds advantageous.
>>741404470>IN THE SHADOW OF THE KNIGHT'S HAND>The Knight's hand has a hole in it"Eye of the storm" deal going on, with a patch of light in the middle?
>>741404589with his bergenschwanz of course
>>741404549Yeah, spamton would never take a moral stance against something that could bring him fame and fortune. The obvious joke they should've been making is that he would lose money on NFTs, but as usual the left cannot meme.
>>741404470Nice, I've been looking for more theory boards post chapter 3 and 4. I know there was one for img_friend that got turned into a google doc too.>>741404240Lord of the Hammer is inspired by the prophecy but not a one-to-one retelling. I can buy the idea that Susie is not the hero that's supposed to be there, but the dragon isn't a role in the prophecy that she could be either
>>741404404It might be because of this,>>741404486If the knight is a holiday, it's to start it independent of their daughter or sister so that she does not have to assume any responsibility. Everything was set in place to make sure Noelle NEVER plays a part in the prophecy as the shit squad does their thing. That, or to make sure she becomes the Angel, so that she can decide if her HEAVEN is to permanently set the state of this world to continuation and happiness.But we all know what lurks in the back of Noelle's mind.The weird route is the alternative. Play everything out as it was meant to be, bring the girl and the prince from the dark, and the ANGEL is exhumed from someone else.Someone who wants their happy ending.
How is a chair going to kick my ass?
>>741404498>>741404404>knight wants to start the roaringthen why doesnt the Retard Knight just INSTANTLY cause the Roaring by opening 15 fountains at the same time and then spamming knives to make titans? why does it always wait?
>>741404708>but the dragon isn't a role in the prophecy that she could be eitherHow do you know this? Have you seen the entire prophecy?
>>741404864the monster the chair looks like kicks your ass.
>>741404875Because they aren't strong enough. In chapter 4 the second fountain they open is substantially smaller than the first one, and then they spend the whole chapter stalling instead of fighting head on because they're winded.
>>741401214vessel returns replacing Kris as the main party leader. susie starts working solo
>>741403539For me, it's snowflake and red.
>>741404852Time for ME to shine
>>741404875Why gently urge Kris forward in the final prophecy room?Why lop Tenna's arms off?Why do any of this?It's to make sure every piece is on the board before making a gambit. If the prophecy is undone by a premature roaring, the world simply ends. The further along in the prophecy you go, the more parts there are to bend.
>then they spend the whole chapter stalling instead of fighting head on because they're winded.>winded.saymyname
>>741404404Carol so far is the one that would start the roaring to bring Dess back, it just clashes me that she is also so overproctective with Noelle>>741404417Let's go noelleknightersisters! if i remember you can't get in the shop with Noelle right
>>741404708>true full prophecy>deltarune religion inspired by fragments>lord of the hammer>dragon blazers>cat petters rpghow deep does this go? how much was altered in the way?
>>741405035is that why the knight spend a decent amount of time hurling daggers at the gang?
>>741405035Rudolf. You can't run forever. Tick tock.
>>741404708wait a minute I made this. I even made an expanded version and people not liking the changes.
>>741405051chapter 2 was completely changed. it went from the queen having to be protected from an antagonistic cat villain (seam/eram), to the queen being the villain and the cat being wholly redacted from the entire chapter.
>>741405171so you're telling me my old theory was RIGHT?
>>741404404They don't.But having all the agents in play of the prophecy basically gives you full control of the Dark Fountains without major risk of Roaring.Minus, y'know, the possibility that the roaring is brought on by someone who's unassociated with either Knight nor Cage
>>741405229yes. seam is meant to be in chapter 2, city of the shining. he's probably a dragon blazers merch plushie like ralsei.
>Get back into Deltarune with the new release>Every thread is shipperfaggotry
>>741405342toby decided to only answer the ARG 24 hours before the update and keeps dropping breadcrumbs every 3 daysit's amazing how most threads were on topic until now
>>741405114oh shoot the OC maker. It's a fun corkboard anon. Deltarune has a lot of esoterica across the two games and all the arg stuff. It's seeing people dive down the rabbit hole to piece it all together. What theories are you leaning towards with the new information? Who's your Knight candidate?
>>741405045I'm not your sister you drunken bastard, and I don't believe it's Noelle. Also yeah you can't. You get this instead pic related;So anyway no, it's not Noelle. Not in any form that makes sense, at least. She doesn't know how to fight and makes a point of that when we meet her in chapter two. Her knowing Gerson and Seam enough to give them personality wouldn't make sense for how old she is.
What characterization of FRIEND would you absolutely hate for the game to do after all this time?
>mfw after the graphical shift of Tenna being in 3D and the Titan being way more fluid than everything else, Toby will put that Undertale money to use and end Chapter 5 with an actual anime cutscene (just like my PS1 games!)
>>741387709Blah blah blah, post some Kriselle.
>>741405394I think I'll just avoid the threads until I finish Chapter 5 myself
>>741405476>QTEs
>>741405476I'm hoping he got this animated:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qycteU3x730"The arrangement is still really early, but I created this thinking of an animated intro for the game, similar to Wild Arms. I still see it in my head when I listen to the song." "The best part would have been at the end when everyone is running up the staircase as the silhouettes of the bosses from all the chapters show up, and the Knight, standing in a white door at the top of the stairs, turns around and looks at them..." – TobyNow that we've seen all the bosses...
>>741405498It's probably better that way. Chances are we will get another OST leak 2-3 days before release anyway.
>>741405439I 100% believe that the knight is friend, I only falter in my faith because I also 100% think friend's true identity is w.d. gaster, and that's a whole 'nother level of shit.
>>741405463If the mantle is FRIEND, then going full edge crawling in my skin, i like the balance of Mantle being both edgy and a teaser
>>741405496Fuck you. Posting weird route is (You)elle shit nigga. Get that shit out of this hood.
>>741405229>FRIENDThis reminds me that FRIEND has two color variations with it's eyes. The yellow and pink and one that has the pink closer to a magenta.Only time the latter is seen is from the sweepstakes and in one of the Mike minigames.Call me crazy but is it entirely out of the realm to assume this could be connected to Catti and how she has both yellow and magenta in her color scheme along with Noelle inviting her over to play Cat Petters.
>>741405582See you fellas in a week then
>>741405582100%. As much as people want to cope and say it won't happen, Sebastian Wolff controls the copyright and wants to get ahead of the system when things come out. Sebastian has been increasingly shitting on Twitter which is funny so I doubt anyone can stop him
Would the gameplay be any different if Kris lost a hand?
I think the only ship I genuinely like is SpamTenna
eltarune movie script leakSUSIE, played by Jack Black: "Wait, waitwaitwait - did you just... TALK!?"LANCER, played by a smaller Jack Black: "Sure did. What, never seen a playing card ride a bike? Ha-HA!"(cue orchestral remix of "FIELD OF HOPES AND DREAMS")
So why does Rudy act like Kris never visits him when Kris actually goes there all the time Why do we only learn in the weird route that Kris keeps going to the hospital, so much so Noelle thinks it's weird and wonders why no one else has noticed Kris doing this
>>741405439in continuation of >>741405619 I don't really have time for corkboard stuff anymore because I have kids now, but a the primary vector for a lot of the gaster references seems to be friend, and particularly cat mike (which is essentially joke friend, and a safe place to fit in more blatant references because "nobody will take it seriously)likely missing a few but:>DEVICE labelblatant gaster shit>puppet/cat is element 66 is gaster's number, all of his stats in UT are entirely 6's, which means by extension his elemental pair will also be element 6.>friend mike is "the one who listens"it's rude to talk about someone who's listening>cowboy mike thinking there's only 2 mikes until corrected, "I forget about him because he never talks"not direct evidence but has interesting implications, especially with how the "I forget about him because he never talks" lines up with what we learn about forgotten man in chapter 3, with forgotten island being "the only place left he can talk">friend mike has microphones for handsliterally speaks in hands. very silly>dancing catwing ding means "exciting party", not strong evidence but very silly evidence if intentional
Holy crap!
>>741405789spamton also has magenta glasses, both in the sweepstakes and in the spamton love network video.friend is only pink because his color faded. his actual color is magenta>* Ah, do I look different? Sorry, I'm just me.>* My color must've faded. Pay it no mind!
>>741406157BVSED
>>741405232"For All the Dogs" could actually be a kino chapter title given the Kris dog stuff.
>>741406041EPIC ORCHESTRAL MIX
post non-boss BANGERShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPHMcpuYeA
>>741406157FriendBVLLs... Doe pussy belongs to (us)
>>741406052Rudy has a dialogue that says something like ''you and our family aren't as close like before'', Kris not visting him seems normalAnd the Noelle thing you mean the talk in ch2? because in ch1 she asks why Kris went to the hospital, and she calls herself the person that knows Kris the most
>>741406416>because in ch1 she asks why Kris went to the hospital,Noelle has that dialogue about Kris going to the Hospital a lot even if you don't visit Rudy in chapter 1
>>741406157peter is your best friend
>>741406416>she calls herself the person that knows Kris the mostthat label actually goes to ralsei, the little bimbito. he knows about the favorite sandwich while noelle gets confused.>>741406497rudy has weird dialogue if you take susie to the hospital in chapter 4 without having taken her previously. the dude's 100% in on the knight stuff.https://youtu.be/LEiR1qRZr24
>>741406087Regardless of the outcome of chapter 5.The WAIT will live on. It's as good as the game at this point. Might be because the WAIT is fun with friends.
>>741406497Really? if i remember Noelle in ch1 isn't in her house until you visit the hospital and she says this, i didn't check if she still says that in ch2 if you skip itMaybe Araki i mean Toby forgot lmao? or it's an actual plot point
>>741405932Yes, without an arm Kris would be unable to ACT which would further their self loathing They eventually overcome it by relying more on Susie and Noelle which causes them to open up to them about the bunker planI know this because I am Toby Fox
>>741406087shit, I forgot about the temptation of michael, which is a straight reference to entering gaster's name and how it resets the game.
>>741405828>going dark this earlysee you on the other side, soldier
>>741387709holy fuck this general is a literal fucking tumblr, what the fuck is this shithole and what the fuck is wrong with undertale/deltarune fans
if I play 1 chapter a day I only have to wait 2 days for chapter 5
>>741407128Sorry sister, would you prefer sexy teenagers instead?
>>741406746>Misquotefuck. Meant for everyone>>741406087Sorry. Anyway, gaster being pink and yellow friend and helping out as a piece-of-candy-dropping cat in ERAM's boss fight would be very funny but also leave the voice during the Knight boss fight more open-ended.Considering that, does the dialog actually happen if you attempt to try the Knight without the shadow mantle?
>>741403452>you just make shit up for toby to "fill in later" instead of theorizing on what toby's actually given you right nowOk:The Knight isn't what happens when a normal Lightner in a normal situation goes into a Dark World.It isn't a disguise, it isn't a special suit of armor you get as a result of wearing a specific outfit in the light world before you go in, it is the Knight's whole form within the dark world that is altered.So, there's something that can be fundamentally different about you that makes you something like the Knight when you go into a dark world.Who in this story is the most likely to be "fundamentally different" in that way other than the girl who disappeared under mysterious circumstances, whose parent is apparently convinced she's coming home in spite of everyone else assuming her dead?
>>741407286>Considering that, does the dialog actually happen if you attempt to try the Knight without the shadow mantle?Yes and he seems even more incredulous that you are trying to beat the Knight under those circumstances.
Wait hold onwhat the fuck was this about a Ritual sunday? Did I misremember something Kris's cellphone said during the float-around-and-bump-into-stuff section of chapter 4?
>>741387709Every female in deltarune (and ralsei) exists solely for (ME), and once im done using kris to get my vessel back hes going in the harem too.
>>741407416no mention of sunday phone says 'police sacrifice next week' which could be out of context or missing words in between
>>741407563Shut up Berdly.
>>741407653Wrong, but he can go in the harem too, just cause i want to play vidya with him.
BRING ME THE KNIGHT
>>741407286>>741407341yep, he even subtly tells you to go do mantle. he's the knight
WELL, IF YOU INSIST IT WILL HELP YOU GET BETTER GRADES... I SUPPOSE I CAN LET YOU TAKE A "BIG WHIFF FROM MY BIRD BOY BUTTHOLE!" THE TECHNICAL TERM IS "CLOACA" THOUGH, SUSIE.
>>741407296the simple answer is that the knight is a darkner of a person's hand. it's the shadow of the knight's hand.
>>741408072BASED
>>741402685Huh? Bitch, you only figured that out because of her findher.ogg.
>>741405713i keep saying this. the thornring scene in chapter 4 especially shows that (you) in particular want Noelle.>Noelle can say no to her dad and Kris. Can't say no to (you) even though she probably could >Wonders who she should ride the Ferris wheel with. Noelle will ride with me >In her room trying to discuss the aftermath of weird route chapter 2. Who's gonna hear? Me.>Recognizes that there's a second voice inside Kris. Tests this out several times.>Realizes that the second voice is the one who wants her to get stronger >Thanks (you) during the "think of Noelle scene">Carol tell Kris Noelle is looking forward to seeing them tomorrow. who do you think she's gushing for? It's not for Kris
kris is mike. he's the only person spamton doesn't paste his face over on the spamton takeover prizes.
I found this line interesting when replaying Chapter 4. I'm not sure why Ralsei thought that being nice would change the prophecy given that the only people it would actually affect would be Kris and Susie. Maybe the prophecy is that the girl will kill someone?
>>741387709>completely ignores the open soda can
>>741408321dess. people miss the subtlety of the dialogue and its implications in that she can't say no to dess.
>>741408420so dess raped kris AND noelle?
>>741408341"the girl" is the major final antagonist, ralsei was trying to stop it by befriending her.>but it's said that the greatest fuel is friendship
>>741408554the soul's relationship with noelle is platonic. it wants her to become stronger, so she can't get hurt anymore.
>>741408570>the garden is charred in an inferno of jealousyi got a bad feeling about chapter 5
I really am glad this (You)elle shit is gonna get btfo next week.
>>741408321>>Carol tell Kris Noelle is looking forward to seeing them tomorrow.Dud, did you know that Noelle was thinking about inviting Kris to the festival BEFORE the couch scene?I think it can be both
>>741408695noelle is going to reject susie for kris, no matter what the player does, and it's gonna break susie.
>>741408708The soul's motives being unclear should be evidence enough that they are not our own.
>>741387709Oh shit she about to make someone a man.
>>741408570I can't unsee her nostrils as eyes so it's just this freak with a misshapen bulbous head.
>>741408695There's a reason why Ralsei was so insistent that Kris should go with to the Festival with Susie and not Noelle.
>>741408328>>741408570Fuck an I going to have to buy all the fangamer merch just to figure out this game
>>741408907...Susie is related to Mr. Elegance?
>>741408620>>741408708I wouldn't completely discard the player romantic interest in Noelle, but also the same for Kris, wr has romantic tones and so far it has for both of them, but more in Kris favor because Noelle wants to reconnect with KrisMaybe Toby wants to do this epic you are so chuddy for wainting this game to have romance options message
I'm fucked. I can't keep track of all the schizo posting and theory crafting going on. I'm never going to be able to finish the game properly
WHEN THE LIGHT IS RUNNING LOW
>>741409220I bet you didn't even know that UT sans worked in the true lab. What a poser.
>>741409251AND THE LIGHT IS RUNNING LOW
>>741408695Speaking of inferno, i feel like these two are connected, there is a lot of water in ch5, or maybe just Asgore refrigerator lemao
the angel is showing up in chapter 5.
>>741409281AND THE PLACES THAT YOU KNOW SEEM LIKE FANTASY
>>741387758this anon won
ralsei, friend, and the knight are all the same character, just viewed through a different lensralsei is the knight's childhood innocence, what kris remembers from when he was just kris' little friend.friend is kris' nightmare remembrance of him, a shadow of the dark things that happened and were repressedthe knight is him grown up, jaded and broken. seeking sad, pathetic justice for what went wrong in his life
Toby is 100% going to try and monkey paw me for trying to claim the Doe for (myself) but the joke is on himI WANT her to turn against me and kill me
it's susie's soul.
>>741387709>>741387709I like this game but everyone is fucking gay. Noelle,Susie(my love),catti, spamton and a few others plus kris is nonbinary or some shit. Some of the story is cool and it's funny sometimes and lol so random a bit to much but the catering to the fan base is crazy and ruins would could be a great game for everyone but it seems to just want to be lgbtq++aids pandering.
>>741409794the gay shit will be plot relevant, because of https://deltarune.com/catpetterz/you ever wonder why all hetero relationships in deltarune are species-paired? that's why. "incompatible pets". a deer cannot marry a dragon. it's verboten. can you imagine the fucked up child you'd get if a boss monster procreated with, say, a skeleton?
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