Just finished this.What the fuck even happened on the final chapter?
Zack is communicating with Cloud across timelines / worldlines, somehow(?)Cloud either somehow sees the worldline where Aeris lives, but there's no explanation for that. Or he sees her ghost. Or he's just crazy (he is, but there may be some reality in what he sees).It feels like they were going for a cliffhanger ending here but it's too confusing to work as a cliffhanger because no one knows what happened lol.
the cinematic walking sections and drawn out final battle in this game were so obnoxious. i should've saved all the crappy side content for postgame cuz by the end I was so over this shit
>What the fuck even happened on the final chapter?A final boss fight that's longer than it has any right to be.
>>741393086The final dungeon didn't help in that regard. I felt like it just dragged on without anything interesting happening. Once more confirming my belief that Squeenix does NOT know how to do level design.
>>741393086lmao, shut the fuck up you whiny bitch.
>>741392723A bunch of Japanese melodramatic nonesense told poorly.Rest of the game is god tier, but no one can gaslight me into thinking that the endings to either Remake or Rebirth are actually good. You can get those ideas the endings were attempting across without it being a jarbled mess.
>>741393201You deserve to have your skull bashed in with a spiked bat.
>>741392723What do you mean? Its pretty straight forward with a decent amount of vagueness for Part 3
>>741393298We all do.
It's just a cliffhanger that will be resolved in Revelations (part 3)
>>741393748It's not it being a cliffhanger that's the issue.It's how all-over-the-place out-of-nowhere disconnected from the other 99% of the game both of those endings are.Mass Effect 1 and even Mass Effect 2 were largely fine with their endings despite being cliffhangers.
>>741393893That's why the last game is called Revelations.
>>741394036Again, the problem isn't them being cliffhangers. They were simply poor endings. Revealing anything doesn't make those endings any better.
>>741394146Trade it to EB games
>>741394223Square's kind of a mess. The fact that the FF7R games are as good as they are overall despite the endings is a damn miracle
>>741392723after 80 hours of slop sidequests and chadley bullshit I was just ready for it to end, plus it was retarded so I couldn't tell you
What does the Lifestream even do?
>>741394414Kicks out illegal aliens
>>741394414Makes you schizo as fuck
>>741394414So if the lifestream make your dreams and desires feel as real as what actually happened in your past, could you lucid dream your way into some hot goon scenarios via lifestream stuff?
>>741394414Collective Unconscious/Jungian life force of the planet.
>>741394414Its just the planets life force.Its not meant to do anything other than keep the planet and the beings in it alive, unless you have the tech to turn it into something else, like Shinra.
>>741392723kino
>>741394653The sequel we deserved
This whole timeline bullshit is gonna feel lame as fuck if nothing changes and the game just plays out exactly like the original.What was even the point?
>>741395220>willingly summons a fucking meteor to destroy itself and all living things as well as the planet itself
>>741395285To sell MTG cards and boost their FF set sales (it worked 500%)
>>741394414It does Lifestream stuff.
>>741395285It's probably not actually timeline stuff, but lifestream stuff and "realities" being the dreams and desires of those passed reflecting what happened in reality.Just a means to fit in some more melodrama that they like in Japan.
>>741395285This is what pisses me off about remake and rebirth
>>741395352Sephiroth is the one summoning the meteor.He wants to destroy part of the world on purpose so he can then show up while the planet is healing and steal all the lifestream that would be used for that.
>>741392723Just got the buggy and I gotta say, the absolute dirth of combat from Jeunon on was brutal. A little outside costa del sol, but it was such a long stretch of mini-games
>>741395285They already showed the Weapon evading the Junon cannon blast in current timeline so there's definitely gonna be some changes from OG
>>741395285I think Sephiroth says something about how these alternate timelines dont last long. Its like they're not complete alternate realities, just small pocket dimensions where things are different that exist for a while and then fade away.I dont think they have the power to change anything, now that everyone who dies in the OG is already dead in the remake too.
>>741395285The Three Ms, my friend>MoneySquare is presumably teetering on financial failure. Despite XIV's success over the years, I doubt it produces anywhere near the newer models of online games do, and probably isn't making up for their dozens of singleplayer and mobile failures.>Mystery BoxWhat better way to scam people into paying over $300 for one video game than to pretend it's a trilogy with twists and turns never before seen and then sell it at full price for each episode, not to mention the awkwardly-timed exclusivity.>Midlife CrisisThe basis for the three retards of the apocalypse who were largely (but not exclusively) responsible for the original game, who were then wheeled out of their retirement homes to direct this piece of fuckin' shit.
>>741395445anon, I...What do you think Materia is? What do you think Meteor is specifically, along with any other form of magic?
>>741392723i only beat the final boss because i used clouds level 3 limit and then used aeriths to give cloud his level 3 again and used it. it was actually hard
>>741393298It's called the nail bat actually you dirty secondary
>>741392723Never played og ff7 but played crisis core. Do I play the og or stick with the remakes?
>>741397472did you like crisis core?
>>741397472Play the Remakes. You can play OG after you have finished Revelation.
>>741397472Remake trilogy is a sequel. Play the original.
>>741397749stop parroting this bullshit. it's not a sequel. it's made for newcomers and fans of the original
>>741392723
>>741397749it a sequel on a meta level, but you don't need to understand that aspect to enjoy the game and works as a remake perfectly fine for newcomers.
>>741397592Crisis core is one of the best games I played in psp. The ending fucked me up but I saw zack is still alive in the remakes. Is this a retcon?
>>741392723I swear, some people are just strait up retarded. They couldn’t spell the ending out for you any more obvious if they tried - as other people have mentioned, it’s over the top and beats you over the head with what you’re supposed to know and what you’re not.But because it’s not a movie games where the game is explicitly explaining it to you, you’re too stupid to figure it out. And it’s not even subtle.>Aerith died>But her lifestream self, or some version of her, is still around>Cloud stopped the sword which split realities in a way he’s kind of in the middle of>Sky rainbow confirms Cloud can partially see this new reality his sword stop created>Stupid shit where Sephiroth cosplays as a non character to rage bait Rufus>Zack figuring out how to merge timelines I guess>Excellent ending cinematicObviously a lot of this shit is meant to be answered in the final part. It’s a cliffhanger; you’re not supposed to know everything goin on.
>>741398247You could play the fucking game instead of ruining the story for yourself. I don’t know why anyone would spoil these games if they care at all about the story.
>>741397801>>741397901It's not made for newcomers. Not in the sense that you won't understand it (because you won't regardless; it's fucking nonsense) but that you have to give a modicum of shit about the OG to even care about this crapfest, and even then it's a bit of a dice roll.Hence, WHY REBIRTH SOLD LIKE FUCKING SHIT AND NOBODY ON GAIA'S GREEN EARTH EVEN CARES ABOUT PART THREE
>>741395916Materia comes FROM the Lifestream, it isn't the Lifestream itself. What Sephiroth is doing is like taking a chicken's egg and smashing the chicken with its own egg and then it dies.
>>741398247no it's not a retcon. it will kinda make sense to you if you play them, so you should just play the remakes. the original is always there and you can still play it, but the remakes are better games especially if you liked crisis core.>>741398335cope and seethe motherfucker
>>741393113I turned the difficulty to easy for the entire last dungeon and that fight. I just didn't care at that point
>>741397901Massive chunks of Remake and Rebirth are complete absolute nonsense if you're not familiar with at least OG 7, and it actively makes the narrative worst by putting major plot reveals and twists tens of hours earlier in offhand comments
>>741398479makes sense to me. you're just retarded
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>>741398335I thought Remake was an ok game, the gameplay was pretty fun and the parts where Nomura wasn't having characters look directly at the camera and talk about fate fate canon fate were generally pretty good. The time ghosts are absolutely retarded but aside from that I'd say it was fineI got Rebirth on sale last week and it's a fucking miserable game with more padding than anything I have ever seen
>>741393201The Forgotten Capital should've been the final dungeon, not the Temple of the Ancients. Would've been a lot less ass.
>>741398479Name 5
>>741398479>Massive chunks of OG 7 is complete absolute nonsense itself.It's only fine because it's contained as a single game. Part 3 hasn't come out yet.This is not unique to 7R.
>>741398570you have the worst taste i have ever seen
>>741398656*I didn't mean to comment that first line. Wasn't quoting.
>>741398649>The Nibelheim slaughter>Cloud being extremely mentally unwell>Cloud was never in SOLDIER>Jenova being a freaky tentacle flesh monster (not too hung up on this one but it's there)>Sephiroth possessing the robe guys>The existence of Zach at all>Tifa saying Cloud wasn't at Nibelheim
>>741398563This webm single handily made me hate Aerith.
>>741398660Denounce the time ghosts or be known as a shillThey're contractually unable to do so
>>741392723gotta wait for revelation
>>741399438The time ghosts have been read since remake.All that’s left now is Sephiroth puppets since fate is all fucked.
>>741392723No one actually answered OP so best I can call it (it's not fully clear sequel bait):>SephirothHe has control of the time jannies and it using them to cause timeline shenanigans probably because he knows that he fucking sucks and fails in OG. Tries to cause a multiworld crash at the end of Rebirth for reasons that escape me. Uses his time shenanigan to kill Aerith after Cloud stops him. This breaks the current world's timeline even more which is why everything after goes to shit.>AerithThere's like 3 or 4 active Aeriths at the moment.1. Remake Aerith, she does die in Rebirth after activating Holy just as OG foretold. She knew this would happen.2. Zack World Aerith, still in a coma with no agency.3. Aerith World Aerith, the one you go on a date with after falling off of the Temple of the Ancients. She decided against or wasn't given the opportunity to go on the adventure but knew that Remake Aerith was going to need her copy of Holy so she gives to Cloud after he falls into her world.4. Future Aerith, probably OG Aerith that was able to communicate with Remake Aerith about what was going to happen and what she needed to do. This is who Aerith was talking to when she said she didn't know how to pray. This is also probably the Aerith you fought with for the final Sephiroth.>CloudTries to save Aerith and succeeds but Sephiroth uses a time warp to kill her anyway. This glitches Cloud's position in the universe into the chaos realm where he meets up with Zack and Aerith. His place in the universe is still fucked which is why he can see the sky cracking apart and Aerith walking around. Also still a puppet.>ZackDoesn't know what the fuck is going on but that's okay because neither do we. There's also two Zacks, the one that went after Hojo and the went after Biggs and I don't remember which is the one that fights with Cloud. Maybe there's three.
>>741392723If we based everything off of these games' endings, nobody would be playing them.The characters and the combat is god tier. They drop the ball at the end of both of these games.
>>741399438The time ghosts are a clever and unique idea thought up by nomura
>>741399578That does not change my statement nor the ability to pick out shills by their refusal to admit the time ghosts were stupid
>>741392723Are they finally gonna reveal the sales numbers now that is out in all platforms?
>>741399592The glitchiest after Aerith dies is because time got fucked and it's trying to fix itself. It's like a Dragon Break from Elder Scrolls lore. Basically time get fucked and what happens next is nonsense but however it ends up is what matters. And Aerith does die. At this point the black jannies are timeline fuckers controlled by Sephiroth trying to make Sephiroth win and the white jannies are timeline fuckers controlled by all the Aeriths kinda trying to make Cloud win but mostly trying to make sure Sephiroth can't keep cheating.
>>741399832>Ahh yes the warring gangs of nebulous spectral time cops, this is what I play FF7 for so notaligic
>>741400024Yeah it's definately the worst trash that Remake brings to the table. Everything is always good until you see one of those fucking ghosts and you know Nomura is about to shit in your mouth.
>>741398364I mean, no offense, but you're wrong on both accounts. Sephiroth literally describes it in Nibelheim, and he implies it as basic studies for Shinra personnel, let alone SOLDIERs. It's hard to forget considering it's a "Look at the camera and explain what the fuck's going on" type of exposition dump, but we're all getting older I suppose.Long story short, Materia IS the Lifestream, but more importantly than that, it's in contact with all of the other Lifestream. When "Magic" is cast it's not actually from the Materia, the Materia itself is akin to a telephone with a pre-recorded message. You ring up the Lifestream, the message plays, whatever was programmed is heard, and the Lifestream responds. Except the Lifestream is retarded, because somehow these slit-eyed morons couldn't come up with a storyline where an evil guy is just evil and powerful, instead his evil has to be convoluted and make fuck all sense.And you know what's even better? They fucked it up even more in Afterbirth, because now not only does Meteor exist, guess who it was programmed by? MOTHERFUCKING ALIENS WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO THE LIFESTREAM AT ALL!WHAT A TWIST!
>>741400024>>741400130Well to be fair, I think Sephiroth brought them around in Remake so you’d be tricked into killing them. Then in Rebirth he’s clearly in control of them, using them to try and reshape the reality he wants.I’m not saying this is told in a great way, but it’s all there.
>>741400887Anon the problem has never been that I don't understand them as a conceptI simply think they were a retarded idea that actively makes the narrative much, much worse
>>741392723They raped the story
>>741399592It's kinda retarded that he has to do all this shenanigans when he loses because he le underestimates and plays with Cloud and co. He could just take them seriously or kill them earlier. The Edge of Creation Sephiroth completely destroys Cloud in 0.1 seconds.
>>741401346I mean come on, they'd been rapin' it for over 20 years. I'm not sayin' it's okay, but surely we've gotten used to it by now.At least it ain't Final Fantasy VII: Reforged and the original is delisted and requires Square's own launcher.Now that I think about it, REforged would be a pretty funny title for the inevitable "Complete Edition" that releases in 2030.
>>741401424What sucks is that because they have you fight Sephiroth twice now at the end of the two games, they can't possibly have the last-last fight be Sephiroth (even if Safer Sephiroth) or it'll be a complete disappointment. So how are they going to end the games?
>>741399438Whispers are cool though.
>>741395445It was always quite retarded though because if Sephiroth wanted to steal all the lifestream and was capable of doing so, he could just... jump down into it again. It's not hard to find the lifestream. That part of the story never made any sense, neither did the whole "Shinra looking for the promised land" thing, because, again, the entire world has lifestream under the surface, to the point where both Cloud and Sephiroth float halfway around the world down there and pop up somewhere else. Mako isn't oil, it's basically the planet's mantle and completely ubiquitous.
>>741397749Every single person who claims the remakes are a sequel has a low IQ and lack of storytelling comprehension.
>>741401665Autism.
>>741404503The idea is that a massive shitload of the Lifestream would have to go to where meteor hit to heal it, and he could take control of the whole thing at once
>>741404579But it doesn't make them incorrect
