we fucking lost
how are we going to punish Ross?
>go make the law>ask experts how to do it>experts say it is impossible because they work for the companies themselves>law is impossible to makewoah who could see it coming
>petitions doing anything ever
It probably would have helped if the guy who made the petition and the people supporting it were actual EU citizens.
>>741398089I think we should start with some light waterboarding. Then we can start killing games right in front of him. One. By. One.
>>741398089>>741398176>>741398197>>741398235Thor won.
>>741398089Make him shower?
>>741398235Seriously. Who would have guessed that using bots to coerce a foreign government to try to rule over American corporations would fail.
How come the EU can regulate what temperature you set your fucking heater to but they can't regulate this?
>>741398338its LITERALLY impossible chud, companies can't keep their servers up forever and there's NO other way
>>741398338Because developers dont make anything themselves. Everything is licensed.
>>741398383No, they can. They just don't need to. It's their choice. Period.
>>741398338Are muricans really this retarded?
>>741398032/v/'s favorite company ubisoft and other billionaire corporate lobbyists that /v/ loves are responsible
Hope it was worth it, bud
Do people really care that much about this? It only affects online slop.
>>741398474Yes, look at Ross.
>>741398338because fucking lobbyistspeople don't hate ubisoft enoughthis blight of a company cannot go under soon enough
>>741398325How much did this campaign cost the EU?
>>741398506I know, I just want the people making those games to get fucked in any way possible, if the petition was "start killing developers" I'd sign it anyway
>>741398506Nobody actually cared about the issue on paper. This movement was co-opted by anti-copyright lolberts and anti property ownership communists to the point where I opposed it on principle.
>>741398338unironically every company would be sued to oblivion, they all use open source shit on the backend that they either can't on a commercial product or have to give credits, which they don't
No matter how many threads you post, parliament is still planning on amending the Digital Fairness Act as a result of SKG, which was the EUC's official recommendation.
>>741398717>we actually wanted to lose
>>741398717>I got raped and I don't care
>>741398717Most raped kikeslave. Sorry, second most raped. Ross is the first.
there were SKG discord shills spamming here all day every day over a year for thisgood end
It turns out, the EU establishment cares more about EU GDP than EU consumers. Who would have thought?They will likely back unrepairable cars, as well. Line must go up!
>>741398717Qrd
>if i keep replying eventually he'll respondlolanyway, the DFA is still getting amended
>>741398857>>741398960>>741399004ferret fuckers are not welcome on my board
>>741398032guess let muslim gangrape childrens are more important that games
>>741398089We will NOT be watching the movie.
>>741398032saving dead video games doesn't really help the governments of the western world increase the misery, child rape, and crime rates of the western world.
>>741398506We will reach a point soon where every single player game will be "online slop"Devs have been fighting to make it happen for a decade now
>>741399116This is my board, NEET.
>>741398032who lobbied?
>>741398032Killing? Yikes! That's problematic, let's make it unrecognizable by calling it Destroying
>>741398281>he wonyour mouth on his dick. Not much else.
>>741398325>it was bots>source: my assKill yourself.
>>741398425>Everything is licensed.It's not. OPEX is a scam companies know this and aren't licensing shit they don't have to.
>>741398032>SKG achieved nothing in the end.As it should, now consumers have to stop being retarded and paying for GaaS "games" and giving their money to companies like Ubisoft so they go bankrupt
>>741398338Priorities. Electronic toys are not relevant at all compared to... almost everything else.
Well done corpo shills. You've thrown a wrench into the consumer rights movement in Europe by bribing the EU commission.HOWEVER...!
>>741398032Too bad the petition wasn't Stop Killing Games (and Force Women To Be Raped by Browns)
>>741398032>after they stop being commercially>*keeps selling game with a disclaimer that the online features have been disabled*SKG chuds btfo
>>741398089A MAN DENIED HIS UBISOFT LIVE SERVICE DRIVING GAME
Most people don't know the difference between the EU Parliament, the EU Commission and the EU Council huh?
>>741401376Too busy celebrating your loss to care.
>>741401420>Too busy celebrating your loss to care.
>>741398717Lobbyists just haven't gotten around to killing this yet.Give it time.
>>741401480
>>741401669great argument, i honestly don't know why i care replying to bait
>>741400281Please, Commiefornia won't influence the other states as easily.They've even gone back and put exceptions for Linux when they passed mandatory OS age checks. Steam OS is still fucked though.
>>741401732We weren't arguing. Hope this helps, loser.
>>741399416>Yuropoors always tout their government(s) as being more consoomer friendly than United States of Israel >self hating euro kike judges shoot down saving games before they go home to jerk off to Muslims raping white children It really is hilarious watching Mutts and yuropoor faggots arguing over who's better when both parties are fucked beyond fixing with both similar and polar opposite issues
>>741401805congrats on your big win on SKG lol
>>741398032Honestly, this whole thing was literally just "sign my petiton." It only blew up cause some guy made an ass of himself.
>>741402114>It only blew up cause some guy made an ass of himself.And time is going to prove, if not already, that ass was right from the start
>>741398338they regulate your windows in the UK
>>741402114If that's all it was then the industry wouldn't have been shitting its pants and frantically lobbying to make sure it doesn't go through.People keep saying it as a meme but I wonder if it's true that they spent more money lobbying that they ever would have had to spend actually implementing end of life plans for games.
list the games SKG was supposed to save so I can play them forever.
>>741402396This shit would only affect future games not current, so by default it its uselessIt was born because the crew(a super trash game) lasted only 10 years instead of forever
>>741398032did SKG accept any donations?
>>741398032Pretty sure they basically said the industry has to fix this issue for gamers themselves and if they don't they will look into actually passing laws
>>741401741>Consumer rights is now communismYou level of fear over this simple legislation that benfits consumers is insane.
>>741402224That seems like a huge safety hazard more than anything. Who needs window for cooling? Just crank the central air down to 68.
>>741402649I don't want big government to step in and meddle with my games, commie scum.
>>741399064the EU wont propose a new law, but they can change an old law to say "stop killing games"
>>741402734The only reason you can even use this shitty site and spout your shit opinion is because regulation forced Ma Bell into a lengthy and painful lawsuit
>>741402509>It was born because the crew>SKG is nothing but a gigantic sunk cost unable to cope with its own shitastejust
>>741399683>Kill yourselfI'm not the one who failed in spectacular faction.
>>741398032good. the petition was a fucking stupid idea. each game would become a liability once it ages out. you'll see studios gave to cope with that by increasing prices or playing it safe with their games. originality or potentially expensive end-of-life mechanics would be stripped from future games.
>>741398032>you people seriously thought you'd be able to convince a room full of boomers about video games>EU boomers to make it worseLike, seriously. What did you guys expect?
>>741402920>>741403609>>741403628>>741403709
>>741398717>2 more weeks
>>741403839>gee wiz, somebody has to be paying these people that disagree with me. it can't be that i'm retarded.about what i expected from you lot
>>74140383910 years bro, it all started because a shit game only stayed up for 10 years "only"
Eurochads: 1Amerilards: 0
>>741403934>>741403987sorry you've been found out. hopefully they'll still pay your, sar
The problem is YOU, yes, YOU, YOU faggot, who buys Always-online games on pre-order, who gives your money to companies that fuck you in the ass all the time, the problem is YOU who can't control your FOMO, your desire to play something to "be part of the trend", "to fit in", like a tranny.Now YOU expect the government, which doesn't give a damn about YOU, to save your miserable ass from the companies that exploit YOU, with your consent, by the way.Be the change YOU want to see in the world, stop buying slop, stop buying Always-online games, stop supporting companies that can shut down a game with a single press of a button. Don't expect anyone to help YOU, governments don't care about YOU or your problems.Stop being retarded.
>>741404348you are patheticdo you even wonder why you lost?
>>741404348>I lost to boogeymen!No, you lost to common sense and reason.
>BUT THINK OF THE POOR COMPANIES HAVING TO SUPPORT A GAME FOREVER No, literally all they have to do is release whatever tech is needed for other people to host and support the game once they're done with it.
Some corporation are so big and powerfull that without their wrongdoing the global economy would breake.We need to keep heavy pain killers based on opion legal so it can continue to be sold to third world countries.This is how it works. And the EU is well aware of it.Nothing you can do.
>>741404705nigger, we're not thinking about the poor companies. i don't want a stripped down, dogshit game that has to contort itself to avoid retarded legislation.
>>741402224What the fuck is this? You aren't allowed to open your windows more than 0.05 widdlyplanks or something? You need a license or what?Please tell me this isn't true
>>741398197>>741398032and you faggots will never learn
>>741402687Anon. They don't have AC.
>>741404429>>741404606do you ever wonder why you're brown?
>>741398032>Not retroactively>Gachashits can probably just pull their games from EU anywayAnd nothing of value was lost.
>>741398338>How come the EU can regulate what temperature you set your fucking heater to but they can't regulate this?same thing with any modern country, they can tell you whatever they want you to do but you can't do the same unless you pick up the guns
>>741398032The obvious choice is to not engage with "live services".
>>741403839its just called that you don't really blow
>>741404789Crazy how games were able to do this for decades, The Crew was even able to do this recently, and several games have been revived by fans after it died. Did all of those games control themselves to make that possible? No of course not. And it would be easier to implement it that way from the start.
>>741398485can't believe Pirate wonhow embarassing
The ferret fucker won...
>>741404961
>>741404964Retroactive implementation would create a separate problem where older games with dysfunctional multiplayer would get banned from being sold.
>>741404961this looks fun as fuck
>>741404908That can't be true because modern AC has existed for like 125 years. There's no way Yuropia still hasn't caught up with that ancient tech.
>>741398089Make him beat Dark Souls 1. Without cheats
>>741398276This hit me like a physical blow.
Wasn't it only the commission that said no? I thought it was still being looked at.
>>741404837It's so kidnapped children cannot escape via windows. Yes that's the actual reason the law was passed.
>>741405343It's not allowed because of emissions / global warming guidelines.
>>741405228Nice try
>>741405150so the rational response is to implement punitive legislation for those who don't? holy fuck, touch grass. bing-bing-wahoo isn't worth this shit.
>>741398276kek
>>741404961I assume this is the European Truck Sim. Do they not use yellow lines to denote traffic in both lanes like the US?
>>741405472I didn't try anything, NEET
>>741405447Wait till they find out how bad Pakistan and India (the two biggest population groups in the EU) are for the environment.
>>741398338Because the EU parliment literally owns ubishit.this retarded industry needs to crash tomorrow, since politicians who has their fingerprints on the industry will get fucked.
>>741398032M
>>741405514Yea because I believe it's my right, as a consumer, to own the thing I purchase. Tesla doesn't get to program in a kill switch to my car, a baby monitor doesn't get to ask for a subscription service without disclosing it at the time of purchase, my printer shouldn't lock me out from using 3rd party ink, I shouldn't have to pay a John Deere tech to punch in a code for a part I installed, and companies don't get to retroactively destroy something I bought. I'm not going to wait around for something "more worth it" to prevent corporations from owning everything while I own nothing.
>>741398032Who the fuck cares? It's not retroactive, it can only works for future hypothetical games, not even currently active ones>b...but good gamesAll GaaS are slop by default especially modern ones.
>>741399064You'll be tired of winning. Let the furries have their little crash out.
>>741404837>WIDDLYPLANKS
>>741402224This has to be ai
>>741405593i think you forgot to post this
>>741398338The closest thing to this was the push to allow refunds on online sales. Those people were building off of other laws, while this was trying to explain video game servers to boomers and create original legislation. I'm sure SKG had some explanation on how it's "super easy", but the reality was this.
>>741404421I'M going to keep buying shitty online services and gacha slop to convince the publishers of YOUR favorite game to appeal to ME instead of YOU because I will fall for all their fomo microslopsaction and give them more money than YOU will and there's nothing the actual developers or YOU can do to stop me :)I am the person you want to stop doing stupid shit, but I won't, because I am a brainwashed idiot and the companies pay more to spread their brainwash material far and wide and make your message seem stupid to me :) I outnumber you ten-thousand to one and publishers pay a fraction of the money I give them to make their message to me louder and more convincing than yours :)
>>741405913Sure.
>>741405753MODS BAN THIS MADMEN THIS INSTANT
>>741405756there is a difference between your right to the ownership of your material possessions and the intellectual possessions of others. nobody will argue the validity of material ownership, but the proprietary software of john deere (just an example) is the product of millions in R&D and years of effort and contracts. it's a valid claim to ownership. their ownership goes that far; so, when one person owns the physical object but another operates the intellectual property there is going to be conflict at times. the issue i see is when the owner of the material claim is trying to abrogate the right of the intellectual property right-holder because he feels his right extends beyond what it legally does. we get stupid conflicts like this because of it. i know where you're coming from and i don't have the solution, but this ain't it.
>>741405802If you want to have a laugh just look at their wikihttps://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_listThere is so many funny games there
>>741406015see you in two weeks
Told you so
>>741398338Because governments only care about fucking you over
With such great representatives like sperg supreme ITT it's a real wonder why the EU wasn't convinced
don't worry skgbros, mamdani has our back and commiefornia has our backit's not over yet
>>741406061>nobody will argue the validity of material ownership,False. Each of the examples provided are real and are hardly contested.>but the proprietary software of john deere (just an example) is the product of millions in R&D and years of effort and contracts. it's a valid claim to ownership. their ownership goes that far; so, when one person owns the physical object but another operates the intellectual property there is going to be conflict at times.Millions of dollars and years of research went into figuring out how to make my toilet paper soft or build my ceiling fan. I don't see anyone kicking down my door asking for compensation when my room is cooler or my ass is cleaner.>the issue i see is when the owner of the material claim is trying to abrogate the right of the intellectual property right-holderThe IP holder doesn't get the right to destroy my product after I purchase it with no notice or contract. See the first sale doctrine. This has been disputed thousands of times from refrigerator company's claiming opening a package signs a binding contract to cases made against Facebook. My property rights are not waived based on a IP holder's rights.
>private meeting with a lobby happens>suddenly start parroting nonsenseIf anything it's worrying just how blatantly the EU Commission just accept bribes.
>>741406669>The IP holder doesn't get the right to destroy my product after I purchase it with no notice or contract. See the first sale doctrine. This has been disputed thousands of times from refrigerator company's claiming opening a package signs a binding contract to cases made against Facebook.fair enough. first sale doctrine is sound but, again, the conflict of where the rights of one rights-holder ends and another begins or how it ought to be handled isn't known to me. however, videogames are licensed properties, they do have a contract with you--they can terminate it. even if it weren't the case, i can't see how it would justify legislation to maintain a separate services such as multiplayer. and if the standard DSM practices requires always online, you'd be forcing that they provide you services beyond your right or effectively forfeit copyright protection.>Millions of dollars and years of research went into figuring out how to make my toilet paper soft or build my ceiling fan. I don't see anyone kicking down my door asking for compensation when my room is cooler or my ass is cleaner.???>False. Each of the examples provided are real and are hardly contested.i'm speaking about property rights as such. i'm establishing that we generally agree that material property is an uncontested norm. intellectual property is contested all over the place and, regardless of what you think of it, i'm won't be arguing its validity beyond the actual fact of its effortful creation (this establish ownership as far as we ought to be concerned).
>>741406692I'm assuming the Commission is stacked with conservatives since they were the only ones parroting corpo talking points during the Parliament debate.And it was funny as shit to see their propaganda challenged by pro-SKG members in real time.
>>741406692it's literally the job of commissions to speak to stakeholders, experts, affected persons, etc. that's not in the slightest bit suspicious. also, lobbies wouldn't exist without commissions. it's just advocacy groups, not some inherently evil and corrupting influence that sneaked its way into the vulnerable henhouse of commissions.
the good guys win :)
>>741407493>it's literally the job of commissions to speak to stakeholders, experts, affected persons, etc. that's not in the slightest bit suspicious.In that case there's no need for secrecy and it all could've been televised.Right?
>>741407493I think it goes a bit further than that when you have private meetings with lobbies and the end result is repeating points that have been repeatedly debunked times and times again.
>>741398032From what Ross said, it isn't over yet.European Commission is anti-SKG and they have the power to propose new laws. European Parliament is apparently mostly pro-SKG and they have the power to amend existing laws and drafts. There just so happens to be a Digital Fairness Act being drafted right now, which apparently fits SKG like a glove, and their goal is to be amended into it.European Commission rejecting SKG is a loss in a way, but an expected one, since apparently they had a bunch of meetings with lobbyists and always seemed to repeat the lobby rhetoric, so SKG were pretty sceptical of them being on board from the start. It doesn't mean European Parliament can't help, these are different organisations.Also, there's still California, which is doing surprisingly well, and a bunch of consumer protection organisations are still looking into it.It's not good that EC rejected SKG but it's not the end either, at least according to Ross.
>>741398383If they can't then they put out the source code for the servers, or the binaries, or at the very least legally allow individuals to run their own custom servers for the client software they sold.Why do you faggots pretend to not understand?This doesn't "force" publishers to do anything, it just takes away their ability to shut down others who are providing services that they aren't providing themselves.
>>741398089You can suicide a man but not his mold. It will come back stronger and you will pray to your false gods for salvation.
>>741407540lol, if there were corruption, they wouldn't need to be bribing them on the commission table like they're some fucking merchant at a bazzar. public hearings wouldn't change a thing.>>741407654the truth is more cynical than it is scandalous. commissioners have their minds made up before they enter the room, they're following party politics not business interests. bribes aren't exchanged, short-term interests are. a corporate favour here to not stir up some shit there or a business concession there to regulate in ones favour here. it's just a dance. it's not as crude as money in most cases. giving crap arguments is a parliamentary pastime.
>>741407897lol, if it's all good there's no need for behind closed doors meetings, right?lol
>>741398857that's literally how lawmaking works, yesyou propose something ridiculous so when people 'talk you down' they're willing to accept something that would have been completely unreasonable if you'd suggested it at the beginning
>>741398338Because it would infringe on copyright law, which says that owner of intellectual property can decide on what to do with itIt's also a proposal that's way too specific to write into law in an appropriate wayYou people are just delusional, like when you thought the Trump executive order would protect porn from credit card debanking
>>741407959it depends. sometimes there are public hearing and other times not. who fucking cares. it really isn't an issue. you put way too much weight in it. also, commissions are made up of multiple party officials. opposing parties would stand to benefit from exposing the other party.
>>741407897Exchanging favors is still bribery.
>>741408150Oh, I know, sometimes lobbyists just have a private chats with politicians and the outcome is anti-consumer and pro-corporation.It just sometimes happens, just a coin toss, lol, we shouldn't be noticing any patterns like this.
>>741408150>who fucking caresYou should fucking care about what the people ruling over you are discussing retard
>>741408158very true. politics is a fucking whirl of interest-groups fighting in an endless civil war filled with backstabbing and sometimes actual, legalized life-ruination. shit's brutal.it's just not the 'self-interested' corruption that people usually get hung-up on. people give a pass to their side when they name their interest group's current pet issue as done in the name of the 'public good.'>>741408252this shit is routine. it's just not as you imagine it and it's not always the same side coming out on top (except the political class).
>>741406692Is there any list of attendance for that meeting? I only know ubisoft ceo was in itI need to know which companies games I am never going to buy again
>>741408326i don't need to be privy to every detail. i'm sorry you're so fucked up about this. there are legitimate reasons for privacy on some of these things.
>>741408623Such as?
>>741408682an inquiry on the topic of sexual assault might warrant privacy in the hearing if you're taking testimony from victims.
>very positive public reaction in the parlament, almost everyone supports it>private meeting happens>"sorry this is just impossible to regulate"You'd have to be either blind or a corpo shill to not see it
All it would take is for people to stop BUYING gamesPut pigs gotta eat the slop, amirite?
>>741398032Thank God we are not getting the government sinking their nasty teeth into EVEN MORE things.If things were to go the way you people voted for, you'd be fucking raped to death and then complain as you get raped yet never actually being willing to admit you literally voted for that exact thing to be happening to you right in that moment.Thank you Lord for not allowing this garbage law to pass.
>>741408779Okay sure and how does that relate to the topic we are discussing?
>>741408779>an inquiry on the topic of sexual assault might warrant privacyPoor corporate lobbies, I didn't know Ubisoft got raped that hard.
You think a bunch of boomers would care about them nintendo games? When they think of video gaymes they thing or og Super Mario Bros, Pong or Space Invaders.
>>741408846We wouldn't need laws at all if most people weren't either retarded or evil.
>>741408846If it was that simple, this wouldn't be a topic of conversation.
>>741398032europoors talked a lot of shit for a year and then fell on their face lol
>idiots seriously signed a petition that would make it so the government can control them and their entertainment media even more than it already doesHow? What level of mental gymnastics do you have to go through to actually think this cancer would have actually done anything good?Are you people actually insane or just desperate enough that you'll take whatever chance you can get?
>>741409007But corporations controlling your media is good?
>>741408802society is so retarded that you could whip up a public crusade to implement obligatory cock-andballs torture on all men. a 'very positive public reaction' is no indication that the public is right, nor is it any justification for the proposal.>>741408862commissions ought to decide if they want to hold a private hearing or not. they ought to be transparent but they should ultimately have the option to decide if that's how they'll be handling the day's issue. there isn't good enough reason to strip that from them.>>741408885aren't you the one whose arse got raped? better luck next time, bud.
>>741407718>From what Ross said, it isn't over yet.Well of course the grift must continue for him. The commission proposing a new law was the only way this was going to happen. Anyone who things parliament is going to do a little amendment that drastically changes copyright law is delusional.
>>741409007>just asking for a law for companies to provide a way to keep playing the game you paid for after they close the official servers>control the entertainment
>>741407259>videogames are licensed properties, they do have a contract with you--they can terminate it.Sure and I feel that should be remediated since the laws are incredibly vague if that license even holds water. A EULA is not law>even if it weren't the case, i can't see how it would justify legislation to maintain a separate services such as multiplayer.They don't have to. There are multiple ways out of this like:- Providing binaries to allow the game to run without the use of their servers- Providing reasonable documentation on building a clone of those servers- Providing a client build that disables the multiplayer aspects if there's a reasonable amount of game to be played without itFor the majority of the games, there's a trivial solution and each of these are proven to work by games that exist today. The "reasonable" definition will certainly take some work but it's not unenforceable >you'd be forcing that they provide you services beyond your rightThe services I paid for? Again, there is room for "reasonable" means of preservation without a company needing to maintain support. Say the law required that I am able to perform the basic game loop without interaction of other players or have those players simulated. >effectively forfeit copyright protectionThis is false. Copyright is still being protected. They can ship a gimped server. They can still go after those that illegally distribute or sell their game.>???Was attempting to link physical products that have had equal amounts of research and money put into them not requiring me to pay the company after I purchased it. John Deere doesn't deserve special protections because they spent time and money on building DRM>material property is an uncontested normMaterial and digital should (and often do) occupy the same spaces legally. Yet in both, exact practices like this are not protected. Ask owners of a Google Nest or Spotify Car Thing
>>741408937>>741408947the only winning move is ironically not to playstop buying gamesstop playing gamesstop giving a shitEvery modern game is ran by suits who want to financially molest the ever living anus out of their customers because they know how utterly fucking retarded and low impulse control they are; so you just stop giving them money, keep telling others games are slop and not worth playing and stop caring about games until they do right.Companies do not give a single shit until it hurts their bottom line.What are they gonna do, force you to buy their shovelware?
>>741398032>devs in the 90s made completely self-sustaining games that could be played online decades after they stopped supporting them>devs in 2026 can't make a game that's playable offline after they stop supporting itWe've entered the "cargo cult" era.You will live to see 2000s engine source code treated like lostech.
>>741399310You crack me up little finns
lol the EU puts incredible compliance burdens on tech companies all the time cuz the germans love their datenschutzbut this is too far? cmon
>>741409110The positive reaction I'm talking about came from the EU themselves retard, and they just switched it up right after the private meetingBut we should doubt it because they are entirely within their rights to hold a private hearing if they feel like it right?
>>741409124>>741409090oops!! looks like you'll just have to cope and seethe and learn how to grow up and move on from that 20 year old fossil of a turd you're still so autistically attached to and obsessed with :)nothing lasts forever, chump.
Thx ubisoft, I will never buy another Ubisoft game for the rest of my life.
>>741398197Console games game to PC primarily because of the Dark Souls petition showing that there were at least a million people interested in them.We can thank Total Biscuit for being able to play most weeb games on PC.
>>741409325I really hope you're being paid for this because otherwise it's just sad
>>741398032I think they should have set up a little demonstration for these boomers. Get a NES and a 1985 copy of Super Mario Bros. Show that the same purchased copy from back then is perfectly playable today. Do it again but skip ahead 10 years with a new system and game. Then get to The Crew and a PS4. The game does not work anymore, money stolen.
>>741408147So why isn't Penguin Random House kicking down my door when I put one of their books up on Facebook Marketplace? Name a single case where a judge ruled that a copyright holder could force someone to destroy a product they bought after they bought it.>proposal that's way too specific>literally just says "its anti-consumer to destroy a product after it was purchased. do something about it"thank you Babel Media for your service in protecting Ubisoft
>>741409325Actually most 20 year old games do last forever.
>>741409365>he was still buying ubishit gamesBe real
>>741404837Landlords are liable for accidents on their properties, so they choose to do this to stop kids falling out of windows
>>741398032/v/ is the only social media site that celebrates corpos winningNever change, you brave anti-mainstream contrarians
>>741398032Did we really lose to people lobbying and straight up lying? Is that really what happened? can someone qrd my dumbass?
>>741398506A decade ago /v/ cared about single player games being online only for the exact reason SKG happened
>>741409540I just checked Reddit about the topic and one thread was full of corporate cocksuckers, some people really just enjoy being fed shit.
>>741409540reddit is too. They're mocking ross and how delusional skg is lol
>>741409145>For the majority of the games, there's a trivial solution and each of these are proven to work by games that exist today. The "reasonable" definition will certainly take some work but it's not unenforceabletrue. i'm suggesting this might be a disparate impact. the standard copyright protections may best be done with DSM and removing best practice may be unreasonable. i'm sure there are solutions. it's an arguable point.>>741409145>The services I paid for? Again, there is room for "reasonable" means of preservation without a company needing to maintain support. Say the law required that I am able to perform the basic game loop without interaction of other players or have those players simulated.that's fine from a legal standpoint, but this is where the issue become a personal concern. i don't want to impose creative controls on game companies. i'd rather the story writers and game designers have a free hand in how their creation is made. i'm that would breed shitty, 'safe' and 'saleable' games.>>741409145>This is false. Copyright is still being protected. They can ship a gimped server. They can still go after those that illegally distribute or sell their game.seems to be a big ask, desu. the production of games shouldn't require a logistical challenge to go along with it. a legally compelled one at that. asking for this is one thing but passing it into law will probably constrain what games are regarded as being worth made; not because of its merit but because of the legal requirement that goes along with it.>Was attempting to link physical products that have had equal amounts of research and money put into them not requiring me to pay the company after I purchased it. John Deere doesn't deserve special protections because they spent time and money on building DRMceiling fans and toilet paper are finished goods that are wholly passed from the hands of the manufacturer to the customer. not the same.
>>741409372what's sadder is the fact that you have nothing else going on it your life to the point you're still attached to shit you used to play as a child and can't allow yourself to grow out of. lmao.
>>741409540It's just the usual suspects
>>741409580>can someone qrd my dumbass?People with more money have more power.
>>741409627
At the very least, it lead to PirateSoftware crashing and burning while the Internet discovered what a colossal asshole he isThat’s a win in my books
>>741409540Don't blame us we tried to tell you this was going nowhere.
>>741409601>one thread was full of corporate cocksuckers, some people really just enjoy being fed shitYou can pay an indian company 20 000 dollars to shill for you on every single platform for probably a week straight 24/7 all those billion dollar companies defenders make a lot more sense when you realise this
>>741409646How the fuck does 4 points is all it takes to know what it's referencing.
>>741409619Project more
>>741409653oh hes about to get a big comeback now that he was proven right
>>741409698
>>741409453The last one I bought was Far Cry 5 for $7, and any Ubisoft game from 2010 and earlier was still good.
anon realizes politicians flip-flop (4k 144fps): >>741409261
>>741409793Fair
>>741398032how is ross gonna cope?I really don't know now if his autism will handle itpoor guy, that's what you get for believing in democracy
>>741409261SKG also had private meetings. Private meetings are part of the process it allows one side to get their side out without getting dragged into a debate with the opposition.The only reason it looks bad is because Ross has been framing this whole thing as SKG winning every step of the way and now he needs a scapegoat by implying the commission was paid off.
>>741409580>literally ONE(1) private meeting between ESA (video game industry lobby) and the European Commission, SKG not invited>the EC immediately back down, using old talking points that were debunked a billion times and claiming the market should "self-regulate" as if it wasn't the case already
>>741410067The private meeting itself isn't the cause for suspicion, the complete 180 the EU did after it is
>>741410130Right but that is Ross's interpretation. EU was not all behind SKG.
Reminder, voting does not matter. Just another reason to pirate. Make your own way. Fuck the corporations.>>741398089He's Norwooded, every day is a punishment for that fag.
>>741410198Ross is the supreme leader of SKG now?
>>741409617>i don't want to impose creative controls on game companies.I think I disagree the most here. There's nothing there that would dictate what a game could be. MMO RPGs, Gatcha, Living Simulations, etc. could all still exist under a ruling like this. The most this would dictate is that a company would spend some amount of time coming up with an EOL strategy. You can see a whole FAQ about this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXy9GlKgrlMTo me, this would be like arguing that web sites couldn't innovate because of GDPR regulations. That having a "forget me" option or a way to export my data would severely hinder my ability to make a new social platform. It just feels weak.>the production of games shouldn't require a logistical challenge to go along with it.I mean, that's just regulation. The same argument was made for companies attempting to false advertise or lock you into contracts that don't make them liable if their product hurts you.>ceiling fans and toilet paper are finished goods that are wholly passed from the hands of the manufacturer to the customerWhat's "finished" and why does Google get to say their thermostat must die once their servers do? Compare this to single player games with a mandatory online connection. When Romero wanted to stop "supporting" the first Doom, he stopped writing code for it but everyone was able to play it anyway. If he made it now and if he felt so compelled, he could add an always online capability to allow him to arbitrarily kill the game. Just in time for Doom 2. That's the distinction. You either have to define that any game could be arbitrarily classified as "unfinished" and thus any product "reliant" on a server could as well. It's blatantly anti-consumer
>>741410231It's where 99% of its followers get the news from.
>>741410198Actually that's my interpretation. All politicians are corrupt fucks waiting for bribes until proven otherwise and they just proved me right.
>>741410198That wasn't just Ross interpretation, the grand majority of public reactions from the EU before the meeting were overwhelmingly positive
>>741410303There was also negative and if the negative made a stronger argument during decision time they win.
>>741410369Show me the negative reaction
>>741409617I won't be responding beyond >>741410239 but I wanted to say this was a good discussion and I thank you for it. Regardless of your stance, I believe this was a moral good worth celebrating
>>741410369>repeatedly saying "You can't expect developers to maintain a game forever">stronger argument
>>741407726>if they can't compromise their rights by wresting away something they own or something someone else owns!Really anon.
>>741410412Go rewatch the long hearings some politicians pushed back against SKG. I remember because reddit skg hated them.
>>741398032>Racing game where you can drive all across the United States>runs on a centralized server>some mold man plays said game>mold man wants to be able to play game even after centralized server shuts down>mold man makes petition to stop killing games>gets more than a million signatures thanks to a parasite that tried to sabotage everything>All eyes on (((European politicians)))>(((European politicians))) have private dinner meetings with (((lobbyists)))>(((European politicians))) decide against mold man's petition.You are here.>???>???>???>???>???>Complete and total extermination of jews, browns and blacks
>>741398032Anyone who thought this was going to pass was delusional.
>>741398474are bootlickers?
>>741410442I wasn't in the private meetings neither were you.
>>741410464No, you're going to rewatch that and timestamp the negative reactions.
>>741410239>the VGEU and ESA's arguments boil down to pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.Curious, isn't it? It's as if they'd taken a page from leftists
>>741398032Good.The only thing better than vidya games is to watch people suffer.
>>741410515Have fun
>>741409659victories against corpos do happen from time to time, "don't bother trying" fags like you can fuck off
>>741410512If that's the best they could come up with in public, I think it's easy to tell.
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>>741410239>I mean, that's just regulation. The same argument was made for companies attempting to false advertise or lock you into contracts that don't make them liable if their product hurts you.i'm not big on regulation in general, so that's not an argument i personally find persuasive but i get it. the issue here--and the distinction--is that one puritans to copyright and the examples you give has to do with fraud and foreseeable harm/negligence. both of the former would require legal sanction for the actual harm caused but the copyright is an issue of how much of a proprietary work must remain accessible beyond a right-holder's preferred sustainment.>What's "finished" and why does Google get...i'm sorry, i really have to wind down what i'm willing to discuss hereafter. i won't get into this.>I think I disagree the most here...i'll have to consider it further. but my concern towards creative impact is raised on this issue.
>>741410554a different charger in the box isn't upending all copyright law
>>741410554Don't take out your frustrations on people who were right just because you were stupid enough to believe this was going to work.
>>741398032DamnIt's almost like we told you this was a legal precedent while you retarded zoomgroids kept spamming "b-but how could you be against this? why aren't you on our side? this is literally giving you something and making the evil corporations pay! how could you not want this? why are you on the side of these capitalists?"You act like ghetto welfare queens. Law is meant to operate on precedent, not your immediate convenience, because at any given time it could become convenient for someone more popular than you to fuck you over in turn.
>>741398032>Don't play new GaaS shits>???>Problem solvedWhy SKGfags upset again?
>>741398032>You will pay ever increasing rental fees to own nothing
>>741410554This would have been a victory against common sense. Your class war kikery is so old and gay.
>>741409619What's sadder is you're attached to new releases
>>741410369The stronger argument in this case being purposely misinterpreting what the petition was asking even though it has been debunked a thousand times
I want to see the corpos and their bootlickers suffer so it has to pass
>>741410683SKG is only works with new releases tho.
>>741398032>The EU are a bunch of corrupt retardsShocking
>>741410479Honestly there was no reason for the game not to be capable of offline play. The multiplayer was a trivial portion of the game
>>741398032I can never take this movement seriously since it only happened after Nintendo decided to join in late and stumbling.Should've done it when Xbox and Playstation was doing it like a decade earlier.
>>741410696see >>741410546
>>741398032And yet it can push for legislation that forces you to (((identify))) in order to post some fucking messages. Fuck them.
>>741410479Not probable, but plausible.
>>741398032i am so tired of this shithole planet
>>741406095>literally "two more weeks, trust the plan"
>>741398089We'll punish the exes instead
Genuinely, why would you be against it if it there's no downside to you, the consumer?
>>741410823stop having a victim complex over a billion-dollar corporationit happened because of ubisoft's the crewand nintendo has been shutting down services prematurely for well over a decade now (never forget nintendo network for DS/wii)
>>741406692>EU took input from an EU company on the issue>"this isn't fair"Next time have a better plan than IP forfeiture.
>>741411015i think you have to be a consumer to have the downside
>>741411015You'd be against it if you were a paid shill or corpo bootlicker
>>741411049IP forfeiture for a product sold?
>>741411015>He consoom modern online games
>>741411129How else can you mandate that customers get their own servers when the IP holder doesn't want to do that?
>>741411015There was no benefit to the consumer either
>>741398032Ubisoft CEO is laughing right now. This the best you got!?
>>741410760And gachafags (SEAmonkeys) because they do it for free.
>>741411015I don't consoom modern vidya.
>>741398197"People" still think petitions, voting, etc. do anything except provide entertainment for the ruling class, laughing at the common man acting like he has agency and wasting months/years of his time.You ain't voting or signing your way out of the state of the world.
>>741410456It doesn't compromise their rights at all. All it required them to do is change their development process so that end of life for future games doesn't mean the .exe file you paid for permanently stops working. For a game like The Crew, all that means is issuing a final patch that turns off the requirement for the game to phone home 24/7. For a multiplayer game, it might mean releasing dedicated server software that lets players host their own private servers, which wouldn't need to be done until the end of life process begins.>>741410479The Crew didn't actually require a centralized server to run. It just arbitrarily relied on one as a form of DRM. 100% of the content of the game was installed on your own hardware.
>EU petitions are different!>ACK
>>741402224UK is not in the EU dummy
Reminder: They're afraid.It can still happen or they wouldn't be pushing for a demoralization campaign.
>>741398338Cool it with the anti-semitism!
>>741411543Different petitions, same Jews.
>>741404837You're only allowed to stick your nose out the crack of the window for fresh air in EU unless you apply for a window license. ($$$)
>>741409725He wasn’t proven right at all. His argument was never about the likelihood of it passing through the EU>comebackPeople still hate his smug, condescending personality. None of that has changed
>>741411603no it can't. they say it already, this would require a change in worldwide copyrights for every industry at once, all that for some american to get his TheCrew cosmetics back. It benefits nobody else but that guy.
>>741411703>jews can breath for free
>>741398032>GUYS WE LOST IT'S OVER WE HAVE TO GIVE UP NOOOOOWWWWW!!!!The doomposting has been at a fever pitch lately, huh.
>>741411769Give up thinking petitions or voting will change anything, at least.
>>741411769kinda what happens when you lose
>>741411603The thing is, Ross accounted for this and has begun moving to the parliament as the EU said. The next step is to amend consumer protection laws to plug skg in.Naturally, this makes the corposhills upset since they have to pretend consumer protection laws dont exist to keep their jobs
>>741411809>Veil gets lifted off the face of the goyim
FUCK IP LAW YOU DON'T DESERVE TO OWN ANYTHING
>>741411769I decided to look into the history of various doomposter accounts on Reddit>Israel sympathizer>Israel sympathizer>Israel sympathizer>Israel sympathizerYou can't make this shit up.
>>741411809>>741411840>YOU LOST! GIVE UP!Huh? Last I checked SKG is still going strong with the cali bill and the EU council supporting amending it into the DFA
>>741411856the EU parliament can not amend consumer protection laws
>>741411856This would change too much to fit into a little amendment. Prepare for a warning on the box/store page and that's it.
>>741411924Before we get to that, do you admit consumer protection laws exist? Yes/No.
>>741410612>>741410682good goyim
>>741411945>Prepare for a warning on the box/store page and that's it.Werent you weeping about excessive government meddling last month? Dont tell me you think they'll behave and just stop at a label now.
>>741411949YesNow continue
>>741412027>schizo pretending we had a conversation beforeYes if anything happens it will just be a warning label.
>>741411945>a label warning customers they'll lose access to the game if they buy itThat sounds great actually.
>>741398607>wtf why didnt my "get fucked" petition get taken seriously
>>741411907
>>741411882It didn't, since they still think voting or petitions do anything.>>741411912So what happens if, in the absolute best case scenario, even 50% of this is realized? Corpos are just going to change things and find loopholes and then it'll be another 10+ year legal battle that goes nowhere and they repeat this process ad nauseam.
>>741403628Only good games should be kept aliveLike Jedi academy which to this day still has the best multiplayer melee combat ever made
Reminder that StopKillingGames faggots went so deep into their rabbit hole that they now advertise the Digital Fariness Act, which is the act that is going to mandate ID verification on the internet for EU countries.
>>741412348>Only good games should be kept aliveNo, bad games should be kept alive too.Nobody should be able to forgot why a game was shit, and the best way to make sure of it is to make sure it's still playable.
>>741411041Victim complex? Why bother when retards ignore all the game killing by Microsoft and Sony a decade early?Only when Nintendo decided to join in super late after nobody complained is when this movement starts.It's overall pretty fucking stupid.
>>741412349No it doesn't, retard.
>>741412349Man, if only. Yuropeein's deserve nothing less than becoming a nightmarish surveillance state for being perpetually smug faggots, laughing and gloating at censorship in media because of overwhelming normalfaggotry and moralfaggotry and not defending their cultures and people.Hard to have any sympathy.
>>741412286It's fucking insane.
>>741412532https://digitalfairnessact.com/parliament-protection-of-minors-online
>>741412584>The resolution asks the Commission to move quickly on privacy-preserving age-assurance and age-verification tools, including an EU age-verification app and use of the European Digital Identity (eID) walletthis is how we win StopKillingGames bros! We need to support the DFA! Establishing mandatory ID verification and Digital ID is a small price to pay, if we may be able to hook a sentencr to make goyslop work longer on it!
>>741412584This says nothing about ID verification stuff being part of the Digital Fairness Act.Don't get me wrong, I know the EU is doing that shit, but it's part of different legislation.
>>741411924the EU parliament demands shit of US companies all the time if they want to operate within the EUand generally they comply
>>741412452take your fucking meds, ross never even mentioned nintendodid you somehow miss the dozens of videos about the crew?
>>741412719This is the proposal of the Parliament based on which the Commission drafts the DFA from.The DFA has no text form yet, it is currently being written by the Commission.
Explain to me how SKG is any different than Project Chanology. Both are just what happens when internet autists take their autism into real-life and inevitably accomplish nothing but a whole lot of cringe.
>>741412735the EU parliament has no power to demand anything on its own. They can ask for the commission to demand something.And here >>741412584 the EU parliament asks the Commission to implement digital id, mandatory age verification and more censorship on the internet.Which is currently being worked on by the Commission.
>>741405543>ameritards need yellow paint to not drive head-on into another car
>>741405543yellow paint is too expensive
God damn it.I did give it like a 40% chance that it would work. Oh well, signing the petition wasn't too difficult. I'd take those odds again.
>>741412961putting your name on a list that you hand over to the governmemt is never a good idea
>>741398717I'm not baiting you. I'm an European that signed the petition and I'd be glad for this to be true.But how do I know you're not coping?
>>741412825Clowning on cults is funny.Retards thinking they are going to gain anything by doing legal battles against the entities who control the every political and financial system with $$$ are faggots.The absolute most any of this shit ever did is make shitheads like Crapple feature a usb-c port for charging. That's it.If they want to spend 10+ years of their lives and infinite money in legal fees spinning their wheels that's on them, but for the nth time, you are NOT petitioning or voting your way out of this and that is a FACT
>>741412050Good.Now. Can the parliament amend existing laws? Yes/No.
>>741398032Corruption perception index is still low and not going to go up because of this, so it's a-okay and Democratic
>>741412995Your privacy is completely and utterly compromised the moment you use the internet. Doubly so if you own the hardware you're using while doing so.Every single phone and computer has built in backdoors for feds and they can do anything with it to incriminate you. Your ISP can and will elucidate what you have been doing to them if they demand that information, too. There's like, one or two VPN/VPS services that seemingly don't give out information, but again, doesn't really matter when they can plant shit on your devices.
>>741413161It can not
>>741412301>Corpos are just going to change things and find loopholes and then it'll be another 10+ year legal battle that goes nowhere and they repeat this process ad nauseam.Right, so the best course of action is to do nothing. Why dont these chuds just give up and understand how powerless they truly are?
>>741413302>Yes, the European Parliament actively amends laws. Wrong.
>>741413310>so the best course of action is to do nothing.pretty much, yesWe watch one woke game die after another and trannies getting fired simply because we did nothing.
>>741413358no, dumb retard, you are wronghttps://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/parliaments-powers/legislative-powersquote the part where it says that the parliament amend existing laws.
>>741413358The EU Parliament has not the power to amend existing laws.The EU parliament has the power to propose stuff to the commission (like they do with the digital id) and they have the power to amend proposals of the commissions.But the EU parliament does not have the power to amend existing laws.
>>741405150>it happens>except not really because I am mad it didn't happen!This shit is just power fantasy for retards.
>>741413369Exactly. These stupid chuds need to understans that simply ignoring the problem is the way to go. The stupid chuds need to understand that the corporations sponsoring this shit, killing their games and trying again and again and again until it becomes completely normalized are invincible. They need to learn their place.
>>741411041>prematurely>wii and dsJesus get a fucking life you fucking jobless losers.
So finally retards will stop using this meme pfp?
>>741413310Nope, that's just you being a faggot and putting words in my mouth. Again, just don't do meaningless petitions and voting. If you want to spin your wheels with them and continue holding onto cope, thinking "any day now!" be my guest, just know that it will never, ever, EVER fix anything.You're playing by their rules, and they don't follow them. In vidya terms it's like you're 1v1ing someone with flyhack, aimbot and wallhacks, who effectively owns the game/studio, and expecting that, someday, they'll stop using them and have an honorable duel with you.Not happening.
>>741413451just dont buy goyslopRather than shilling for the Digital ID and forced age verification Act and acting as globohomos retarded golem... just dont buy low quality slop
Im confused, the EU regulated lootbox's and to some extend gachas but cannot or have no interest in the SKG? that must be a lobby thing there is no way they pussy out hard
I don’t care what anyone says, SKG is a leftist campaign. Wanting to heavily restrict how a private company operates their property is leftist. It’s no coincidence that the only state in America that’s even entertaining the ideas of SKG is Commiefornia.Also admitting that you buy and play live service games is a massive L too, might as well just admit you enjoy eating shit.
>>741413513Exactly.Just dont buy it. Vote proudly with your wallet by sitting quietly in the cuck corner as the megacorps continue to get "grants" from the government and shit out wokeslop over and over and over again until it's everywhere. Like it is now.Just know your place. You will affect nothing, so do nothing.
>>741413519It's merely a coincidence that their opinion shifted immediately after a single private meeting with a vidya lobby where SKG was not invited, nothing to see here.
>>741413519It is a lobby thing, a week before this answer they had a "closed doors" meeting with the ususal suspects
>"You want to force devs to keep servers up forever?!">No>Pirate software:""You want to force devs to keep servers up forever?!">No (And with a nuked career)>EU commission public meeting "You want to force devs to keep servers up forever?!">No>EU commission after a private meeting with vidya industry: "We won't allow this because they want to force devs to keep servers up forever"WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS TIMELINE?!
>>741413494So what do you suggest? Burning down HQs? What action will remedy this?
>>741413494>. Again, just don't do meaningless petitions and votingThen what would you suggest is the best course of action?
>you own nothing>forced ID>visa&master card forcing a puritan agenda>Sport's company forcing ISP shut down>massive data leaks and hacks>AI ouroboros feedingWhy the internet went so shit in less 10 years???
>>741404348Can you please post the webm where a guy comes up and licks her pits. That one gets me hard every time.
>>741412825it is exactly the same type of no lifers thinking they are changing the world by annoying people
>>741413663I'm just wondering how blatant they can make it before people actually give a shit (They won't Covid showed that).
>>741413663My favorite part is when they say the industry should "self-regulate" as if it wasn't already the case and the reason it's been going to shit for the past two decades.
>>741398032give your faggoty and propaganda up. SKG won. fseethe, cope, and dilate.frens are winning bigly. games will be saved.
>>741413537Trumptards really will gladly let megacorps tell them how to live their lives lol
>>741413606Works for me.Did you take the Pfizer vax and then run a petition demanding from Pfizer to make a vax that lasts for more than two months?
it's funny how the few remaining unchud gamers tried to accomplish something with conventional politics, only to realize the /pol/ chudsters from the gamergate era were right all along and we're simply under jewish tyranny that doesn't give a single solitary fuck about anything other than how to import more niggers into white countries, tax white men more, regulate the shit out of your life, or how to traffick your daughter to epsteins island.did you retards actually for one second think that the EU was going to take your silly little petition seriously? LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>741413537>>741413910reddit spacing
>>741413663You want to force devs to divulge secret information about the architecture of their games so the public can operate unofficial servers. This would be a terrible idea because it would allow hackers and cheaters to gain information that would make it easier for them to develop hacks. It would also allow their competitors to basically steal confidential information about how their games operate and use it their own games free of charge. It was always a bad idea, which is why it inevitably failed.
>>741413850>buy a house>decide to rent out the spare room to get some extra cash>decide a few years later that I no longer want to rent out the room because I value my privacy more>the former tenant demands that I keep allowing him to rentHow is this any different than what SKG what companies to do with their private property?
>>741413665That would only work if you could somehow round up every single person involved, in the immense branching pathway of business relationships, and if no other force would retaliate against you and if, somehow, you enact a system where this kind of behavior going forward is punished with more violence.Good luck not having governments and society as a whole against you doing that, though. Maybe if you get some extra charismatic and attractive men/pretty boys to do the genociding you'd at least get the average western woman on your side.>>741413683Do you want me to say "violence"? It's interesting to fantasize about, I guess, but again it's just a physical and social impossibility too.Equally as unlikely, but without any of the drawbacks of becoming terrorists, is everyone just pulling out and going full chudda. That's also fun to think about, if everyone simultaneously stopped being a retarded consoomer and collectively stopped buying basically anything besides food, even for a few months, how it would be massively crippling to this and so many other industries. Of course, ignoring the lots of inconvenient facts, like that people need money for food, which unfortunately includes the jobs of many in said industries.Boycotts basically never work though because there the average person hates inconvenience. They would rather guzzle down slop to get even 5 seconds more of dopamine, than actually do anything that might benefit them in the long term. Also because they lack force, but then again, that introduces other issues.This is also why SKG won't work, either. At best they'll accomplish a little victory and then corpos will find another loophole and we're back to square one. The only way I see this being resolved is them licensing out unofficial servers for hilariously large amounts of money as a "fuck you", so they can say "see, it's still TECHNICALLY possible to play the game even after EOS :^)"
>>741413005Because the voices in my head are making it reality as i type this.
>>741405543If you're talking about the turning lane, no those don't exist in Europe, neither does turn right on red, it's pretty lame.But Europe does have roundabouts.
>>741404961BASED, total b*ker annihilation.
>>741413910No, but it's because I and many others asked questions that Pfizer was forced to admit in public that their vaxx causes "side effects", wasnt properly tested, and doesnt work.But according to you, the chuds didnt take the vaxx, so they should've just stayed quiet and not done anything. Pfizer is untouchable, after all. They werent personally affected. So do nothing and let Pfizer release more untested vaccines out into the public because reasons.
>>741414304>their vaxx causes "side effects", wasnt properly tested, and doesnt work.wrong
>>741413972>You want to force devs to divulge secret information about the architecture of their gamesThat's how the server software industry's been working for decades, game devs should get with the times, they want to live with 90s software standards but can't output to 90s software standards.
>>741414304>But according to you, the chuds didnt take the vaxxNotice something?Not taking part in a system that hates you.What you are proposing is the equivalent of taking the vax and then petitioning to make the vax a bit less shit.Now that StopKillingGames shills for the fucking DFA DigitalID Act, they are an active danger to everyones freedom.You took part in a rigged game, got devoured, and chose to join the bad side.
>>741414157>AI-generated wall of text saying nothing and not answering the questionI figured as much. Doomtards rarely have anything of worth to say
>>741413972>muh devs>muh hacksLmfao faggotDevs can eat shit and hacks are already developing faster than anti-cheat can deal with. Almost all competitive games the top of the leaderboards are cheaters, and that's a fact. >>741414360 This nigga also just utterly BTFO you with>they want to live with 90s software standards but can't output to 90s software standardsthis line.
>>741414427>w-waaaaaah gay-eyeCute cope I guess, and non-argument too. Concession accepted, hopelessly and mistakenly optimistic trannoid.
>>741414304>So do nothing and let Pfizer release more untested vaccines out into the public because reasons.The only proper action is to hang everyone involved in public.If you vow for a:>next time please test it a bit more :Dyou are a cuck who supports the system
>>741414341It's okay. Their admission is in a public record. Watch it at your own time.>>741414414>Not taking part in a system that hates you.Exactly! Stay out of the system that hates you and is actively growing! Who cares if the vaccine doesnt work and causes fatal clots? You didnt take it, right? How does it bother you? Stay quiet and in your lane. You cant do anything, so dont.>Now that StopKillingGames shills for the fucking DFA DigitalID Act, they are an active danger to everyones freedom.Get fucked l, you fearmongering vermin. The DFA has nothing about ID verification in it, see >>741412584. Your fearmongering on behalf of corporations is despicable
>>741414561>Their admission is in a public recordwrong
>>741398032
>>741414561just because you feel that the evil side is winning, doesn't make it better that you chose to join evilEspecially because the evil side in question here is in decline. The EU is in recession, woke game devs get roped daily, with the last wave of tranny booting just happening today.
>>741414474why do white people (tranny color) buy shitty games to begin with? go do some sports
>>741414649Right, just ignore the evil side. It's totally declining. Corporations just proved that a single off-record meeting is enough to invalidate the masses and that's a propbem best ignored because it cant be resisted. And it's totally declining anyway.
>>741414487>t. cuck that did nothingcool.
>>741414707I know an Iranian 18yo from within Iran who was completely sunk into Westoid propaganda.He said that the West is evil, that Israel is evil, but that they are all powerful and that only submission to them and reforming them from the inside is the only option.He wantes his own government toppled.So while he hated ZOG, he acted as a tool for ZOG.I think he is dead now.
>>741414812It's a very nice non-sequitur. Now can we get back to the argument? I think we were at part where you were going to deny megacorps are the evil side and destroy what little credibility you have left.
>>741414889>non-sequiturwhat language is that? this is an english board, rajeesh
>>741414707There was literally a CDU woman running the StopKillingGames announcement stream after the response from the Commission (CDU run).You are a tool used for propaganda.The very same people who told you that the EU is awesome and the ECIs serious, shut your ECI down, and then proceeded to tell you to support the DFA, because maybe they would mention you with a token sentence inside the law that implements mandatory id verification on the internet.
>>741414697Sports are just as gay race communism poisoned as vidya, though?Imagine kneeling lmfao
>>741414889Do not participate in a rigged and evil system.
>>741414945>>741414983>>741414940Yeah. Give up. Let corporations take your stuff away so they can feed you even more overpriced woke propaganda and trannylated remakes tgat are paid for by grants (ie yourntaxes). They're the good guys. Dont do anything, and dont won anything either-that's communism!
>>741415083>muh corporationsIsn't the whole lession of this happening that corpos and the EU are one and the same entity, thanks to corruption?
i want every tranny euro who said this would work to apologize to me and admit im always right
>>741414945>because maybe they would mention you with a token sentence inside the law that implements mandatory id verification on the internet.I btfo you on this point earlier shill, see >>741414561Repeating the same lies over and over hoping they'll be taken as the truth is a very tranny-coded thing to do. As is ignoring megacorp fuckery
>>741398338Because, you see, that 10M bribe they received from Ubisoft was conditioned on shutting the movement down.>>741415083Clearly the only answer nowadays is civil disobedience.
>>741415163you got btfod before you even wrote your post:>>741412682>>741412778Note how you are now acting as a shill for the EU Commission? You are actively defending their digital id bullshit now.
>>741414149The difference is that you have one room and these companies have effectively unlimited rooms contained in a five-dimensional space.
>>741398032Wow are you telling me bureaucrats wont do shit except take bribes and pretend like they are working by banning bottle caps?
>>741398197another peaceful protest will change things for sure. #OccupyMetaverse !
>>741415132>expecting redditrannies to be able to come to terms with realitylollmfaoroflkekThese people don't want to admit that corpos finally came in and simply said>lolnoand that the last 2 years, 2 months and ~20 days of effort was gone, in a fucking instant, from entities who actually have power and know how reality works (AKA comically evil mustache twirling guy always wins after baiting plebeians into thinking they could accomplish anything in THEIR system)
>>741398032You were never gonna own those games either way. Game devs can still send updates to your games to censor or to remove stuff from them, the whole thing was absolutely useless. "YAYYYYYY WE CAN PLAY SHITTY GAMES FOREVER EVEN AFTER SERVERS GO DOWN, OH WHATS THAT? THEY CAN STILL CENSOR AND REMOVE STUFF FROM THE GAMES WE OWN? WHO CARES! I WANNA PLAY SHITTY DEAD GAMES FOREVER!"
>>741415340I boycotted wokepozzedtrannyslop for 24 hours and immediately caved into buying the Deluxe Dildo In My Ass Edition™ from corpos that betrayed all their OG fans when I saw a new flashy cinematic trailer with a mystery meat androgynous Womyn, with no gameplay to be seen, at notE3 this year.#OwningTheLibs#GoWokeGoBroke#WOKEISFINALLYDEAD
>Von der Leyen (CDU) shut down our petition?>don't worry, her buddy Marion Walsmann (CDU) said that we only have to shill for the DFA and we may get thrown a bone!
the indian above AND below my post is now moving the goalposts to say "defending corpos" is tranny behavior. leftists hate intellectual property so much they would rather insilt each other than support it lol
>>741415469same but I waited until my favorite streamer told me to buy it
>>741410667its about principles so you wouldn't get it
>>741415531BASED fellow AssMongoloid viewer. I too love supporting e-celebs who pretend to be against woketranny garbage, then shill for it like nuResident Evil.
>>741415416In an ideal world Steam would be at least one of the platforms that punishes faggot activist devs who do this, but instead it's just full of activist troons.
>>741415591Asmongold was the only guy in the world "ironically" playing Concord and "ironically" advertising it to his viewers, but he did it "ironically" so its fine and he is BASED!
Growing up is about letting shit go and moving forward to new things. Game preservation is for the mentally ill subhumans.
>>741415416One of the biggest reasons i moved to piracy, that's the only way you can truly own the games.
>>741415245>The resolution asks the Commission to move quickly on privacy-preserving age-assurance and age-verification toolsIn other words, this is not a part of the DFA, which is why they're askign for it to be put in.Oh btw, that resolution was passed after another closed doors meeting that has nothing to do with anything. But of course you wouldnt want to mention that.
>>741415785...Until feds/governments and corpos bully tech enough to make it so they can remove files off your system remotely with absolute ease, develop even gayer anti-piracy countermeasures and DRM, completely isolate the third world piracy sites from the rest of the internet (already getting close with this one) and start sending agents to your house for downloading media instead of letters in the mail (likely going to start happening in the EU and possibly Japan).
>>741415416There's also the problem of defining what a game actually is.Like is some shitty browsergame required to give out its server code when it shuts down?If yes, when is a browser game a browser game and when is it a regular online platform? Lets say i have a forum with 10 users and there is some silly "roll a dice" function, does it apply to me?And how does it have to be distributed?Does there need to be a purchase to be eligable to server code?What if the game is free and the purchase is a skin?There are so many questions here.At best would be a law that isn't even about games, but about digital content as a whole.Lets say that a news outlet would be forbidden to make an old article, that was once public, inaccessible or censor it.. that would be amazing. That would be worth more than just stupid goyslop games.
>>741398032Never supported it, if he couldn't even handle one lone blizzard employee shitting over his project and almost killing it, until other big jewtubers came in and saved his ass he has 0 hope actually effecting any change at all.
>>741416005Sounds like a problem none of us will be alive for.
>>741416063Rolling dice isn't a game, it's a tool. And forum games are not video games.
>>741416087>one lone blizzard employee shitting over his project and almost killing itthat never happened
>>741415823THE TEXT OF THE DFA DIDNT GET WRITTEN YET YOU FUCKING NIGGER.The EU Parliament told the EU Commission to draft an act that mandates id verification, and the Commission currently works on it, and that will be the DFA.Isnt it funny how you BRAINDEAD IDIOT SHILLS FOR A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT now say that the EU parliament proposals actually don't matter at all?MAKE UP YOUR MIND YOU IDIOT.What is it? Is the EU parliament powerful or not now?The parliament says that id verification should be part of the DFA, that is their official signed position. It DOES NOT say that SKG should be part of it.
>>741407726>source codenothing stopping you from reverse engineering their gameseither be autistic or cry on /v/
>>741416183>and that will be the DFA.No you fucking moron, it's not.That's why it's a recommendation, the DFA is being written up for a different reason, the committee (that was lobbied to, btw, I noticed you ignored that part again) requests id verification be tacked onto it.>It DOES NOT say that SKG should be part of it.Because SKG had not entered the discussion yet. That's what Ross needs to talk about in Parliament. Jesus, you shills are dumb as fuck.
>>741398032the eu commission is literally just congress for europe, everyone is paid by corpos
>>741416129It's obvious that there is a huge gray zone here and if you dare to exclude it, you create a loophole.Like those dumb games embedded in Discord. In theory they can work stand-alone.Or phone games as a whole.What if Android requires APKs to be signed? What if signatures are only valid for x amount of time and then the developer has to pay again?So the devleoper gives you an APK after EOL, but that APK becomes unusable.Or an OS where you can't "sideload" in the first place. If the game isnt in the paid-for store anymore, it is basically bound to your device and as you switch device eventually, it will be gone.Or lets say a developer maliciously binds your game ownership to your TPM, so it naturally gets lost with your old hardware.
>>741416402You can literally watch the EU parliaments proposal where they say >>741412584id requirement should be part of the DFA.Which is funny, because the EU parliament nowhere said that SKG should be part of it... yet you claim that the parliament is totally on your side.
>We can't do it because we would have to expose proprietary code and proprietary third party tools!Yet games locked to discs which then can be transferred to a digital medium) can still have proprietary code and third party tools 20 years ago.Why is it when technology goes forwards, it is actually going backwards?
>>741416603delete this sir
>>741416551>id requirement should be part of the DFA>shouldThis ask wouldnt be required if DFA was all about id verification. This ask came after a closed doors session (and I know why you keep ignoring this bit, but I still find it really funny to point out your obvious blindness)>Which is funny, because the EU parliament nowhere said that SKG should be part of itBecause it hasnt been brought up before parliament yet. Holy shit shill, I just explained this to you
>>741416402Note how you got scammed into defending EU censorship laws?You started as StopKillingGames and now are DefendTheDFA.They play you like a fiddle.
>>741416641>the DFA is not ONLY about digital id>it's actually an omnibus bill that includes some things that may sound nice in theory, to make it more acceptable for plebs that censorship gets pushedyeah
>>741416116Objectively false for at least>completely isolate the third world piracy sites from the rest of the internet (already getting close with this one)this point.VPN sniffing and detection in general is already far more sophisticated than it ever has been and it's only getting worse, and many sites have also been getting IP ranges from almost all commercially available VPN/VPS services to block them outright. Couple that with the fact that many ISPs around the world already block connections to certain regions and countries, we're already like 70% of the way there. Could be a reality worldwide in the next 5-10 years, easily.Region locking has unfortunately made a triumphant return in recent years, especially from Japan (due to Visa/Mastercard, but still)You're also forgetting that faggywood was using the FBI and planned to kill Kim Dotcom after raiding his house in an entirely different country in 2012, seeing as he was the kingpin for piracy in the 2000s and early 2010s. These other things are complete child's play to them by comparison, seeing as the powers that be have shown they are willing to game end anyone facilitating any of this. The only reason they ultimately didn't cap him is because he likely had tons of incriminating information on the ruling class, ready to be released by unknown third parties when his death was confirmed.
I do wonder what would happen if this conversation happened years ago, circa oblivion horse armour. I wonder if we would get the same bootlicking?
>No mr politician, Skg does not actually want companies to keep games alive indefinetly, just to provide tools such as local server hosting for consumers to do it themselves>Oh thank you citizen we now understand how this works>Mr corp here, they actually want us corpos to do all this shit and it's impossible and uh it infringes ip laws >Oh thank you Mr. Corp we now understand how this works>repeat 100xNext time if goycattle sign harder and if they explain themselves just a few more times and a bit more accurately maybe the retard overlords might rule in their favor
>>741416603It's obviously bullshit, since said "proprietary code" is always exposed the instant any game makes its way to PC whether that's via ports or emulation. There's sooo fucking many autists that just love obtaining the code, posting it and reading through all of it.
>>741416709>many sites have also been getting IP ranges from almost all commercially available VPN/VPSprotip just use india. For some very strange peculiar indecipherable reason indian IPs aren't blocked by a lot of gov't firewalls, just like their scam calls strangely aren't blocked for whatever strange reason.
>>741416641>Because it hasnt been brought up before parliament yet.The StopKillingGames petition achieved 1 Million in July 2025.The EU parliament demanded for mandatory age verification to be part of the DFA in December 2025.
>>741398197>voting does anything >petitions do anything >peaceful protests approved by local government do anything Imao
Why don't we just make an ECI petition demanding remigration and a total stop to the refugee flood?
>>741416643>defending EU censorship laws?>>741416695>censorship gets pushed>movibg goalposts from.id verification to censorship>because not only is the id verification not a part of the DFA, it's also pushed by lobbyists >and he cant acknowledge either fact without losing his job
>>741404348>saarposting>ai slopperyou are the pajeet
>>741416786And following the EU council recommendation, SKG was discussed in parliament.......when?
>>741416915yeah, because in the EU proposal it also says that the DSA (which mandates a censorship-line for EU buerocrats to social media companies) should be enforced harder.Its a horrid dystopian bill.And you got scammed into shilling it... because you want woke goyslop to last longer.
>>741398032I guess it makes sense when you word it like this. Software license agreements always tell you that a program can malfunction, cause data loss, damage hardware and just not work as intended or at all, and that you won't hold the developer liable. Even devs who aren't intending to screw you with games that go out of service would never be able to give you a legally binding promise that a game will work for as long as you wish.
>>741416970are you claiming that the parliament members didnt know about it during the period of the petition succeeding and the bald greasy dude talking in parliament?If those parliament members are on your side, why didn't they make it part of their dystopian terror anti-freedom act in december 2025?
>>741416742the response would be the same hereone half would be, don't fucking buy itthe other half would be we need the government to protect us from this dlc and if you don't agree you are a bootlicker
>>741416902Yup, yurocucks are so braindead and retarded... If only they knew this one little OP trick of holding up a picket sign saying "STOP", then surely all 250,000+ of those little girls and women in the UK would be unraped now.Protesting for the win!!!1!!!
>>741417052Shit nigga, you are a newfag if you don't remember the shitstorm that was horse armour.
>>741416978>now moving goalpost to the DSA, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LAW>finishing with an irrelevant You want woke goyslop!>all this because he just cannot admit to his beloved corporations lobbying against his interests Go on. Say Corporate lobbying is bad. I want to know if you're a jeetshill or a bot
>>741417052nice larp
>>741413358He is correct, retard. The European Parliament is not able to amend existing laws, where by "existing" I mean laws that have already been passed and are already in force. The reason for this is that essentially in every country ever, laws are amended by other laws, i.e. to amend a law (statute) you need to create another law (statute) that contains an instruction to how to amend the previous one, by replacing paragraphs, inserting new text, removing some text, etc. Only the European Commission is able to propose and introduce new laws to the European Parliament, whether it's brand new law or an amendment to a previous law, or a combination of these two. What the European Parliament can do, is to amend laws that are proposed by the European Commission before they're passed, i.e. while they're in the legislative process. The Digital Fairness Act is not a law that has been passed yet, it hasn't been formally proposed by the European Commission to the European Parliament yet, they'll do it later this year.Either way, for a law to pass, the European Parliament (consisting of 720 members) and the Council of the European Union (consisting of 27 national ministers, one from each EU member state) need to pass exactly the same text of a law for it for that law to pass.In practice, given that nearly all laws passed in the first reading, it seems nearly all amendments are agreed to before the first reading in the process of informal negotiations ("trilogue") between the European Parliament, the Council of the European Union and the European Commission.
>>741417091yeah i remember when that dropped there were petitions being dropped for the EU to step in and stop it from happening
>>741417107https://digitalfairnessact.com/parliament-protection-of-minors-online>MEPs also call for stricter enforcement of the Digital Services Act, backed up by fines, possible bans on non-compliant services and potential personal liability for senior managers in cases of serious and repeated breaches relating to the protection of minors. The resolution asks the Commission to move quickly on privacy-preserving age-assurance and age-verification go ahead and explain to us how the EU parliament actually doesnt even matter here, while simultaniously claiming that the same EU parliament is going to save vidya goyslop.
>>741417043Looks like you're avoiding the question. When was SKG discussed in parliament?
When did we start caring about devs?Between this and the steam threads about the "30%", there has been a lot more talk about "muh devs" while simultaneously clapping when a studio gets shut down.
>>741417248You are the one desperately switching subjects and avoiding questions.You are the same anon who believed that the parliament can amend existing laws, right?
>>741417227We've been over this already, see >>741415823>goes right back to a previous output>because it cannot process the prompt "Say corporate lobbying is bad"....still unclear if it's a bot or an exceptionally stupid jeet.
>>741417353Yes, now look at the replies you got on it.No need to circle around.Again note how your whole energy is now spent on defending a dystopian horror act, rather than on muh bideo gayms
>>741417314Game rating systems are a vector for data breach humiliation rituals and those systems don't help game devs so it is for the best to make such systems hostile to each other.
Genshin Impact is Chinese and will always be
>>741417439>Yes, now look at the replies you got on it.No need to, I've addressed your one post replying to it quite clearly after which your script ran into a serious error.You cant acknowledge corporate interference modifying that "dystopian bill". You're programmed not to. Hence the embarrassingly obvious deflection attempts
>>741417347>NO U!!!you're the one arguing parliament should've included SKG in their recommendations just because they read about it somewhere. Really pathetic.
>>741398197Time to break out ol' reliable
>>741417689There has never been an assassination attempt done on a female prez worldwide btw. Ministerfags need not reply.
>>741398089give him a haircut
>>741398032What compelled you to think communism would work this time?
>>741398338One side was willing to shake the right hands and deliver the correctly sized bags of money to prevent legislation from taking place. The other one didn't.Simple as.
>>741417663>>741417610Do you support the DFA?Yes or No?
>>741418532see >>741417107You first.
>>741398089take away his mold
>>741398089Force him to start working on next Freemans Mind.
You know whats super weirdThe other thread got deleted by mods as soon as I mentioned that Ubisoft is funded by the candian government.You shouldnt delete this thread unless you want your allegiance to be obvious modboys.
>>741419000https://www.neogaf.com/threads/canadian-governments-provided-ubisoft-with-a-total-120-million-grants-last-year.1422452/
>>741419000It didn't get deleted, it expiredgoddamn moron
>>741419000I don't think they care about being obvious after everything.
>>741419045Governments give companies tax breaks all the time to create jobs, it's good for the economy
>>741419067>Thread was pruned or deleted>404>Not going to the on site archive It was deleted by mods
>>741419096Governments should let corporations draw the country borders then.
>>741418618>we shouldnt go in circles<ok, so do you support the DFA, Yes or No?>WTF, LETS GO BACK IN CIRCLES, LOOK AT THIS PAST POST THAT GOT BTFO ALREADY
>>741419128Why?
>>741419096They have rules and guidelines to follow.The UK does the same with its grants>UK video game grant programs, specifically the UK Games Fund, require applicants to demonstrate a commitment to inclusivity and diversity in their business practices. Applicants are expected to be working with inclusivity and diversity guidelines, such as those provided by the British Film Institute (BFI), to support different voices within their studios.>Additionally, grants like the Content Fund encourage positive impacts on under-representation by requiring applicants to show a longer-term commitment to addressing under-representation in their development teams through planned hires and community contributions.Multiple world governments are funding propaganda vidya
>>741419151Why not? Tax breaks are halfway there.
>>741398032>keep games playableThey just need to not remove LAN.
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