>>741422823
Don't blame me, I bought it.
But the real reason probably has more to do with the 3DS being cracked wide open by that point.

The fanservice wasn't advertised and story mode is antithetical to Etrian Odyssey, so all that was really relevant to fans were new graphics and arrangements of a game they could already play on the hardware. Doesn't help that Untold 1 wasn't very good and had a bad story mode.

>remake
Give me a new game!

>>741422823
Did you forget the part where Atlus was charging a premium for their games and was that they loaded it up with more DLC than any other game, EO or not, up to that point?

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I want to fuck Arianna

>>741422908
>and story mode is antithetical to Etrian Odyssey
Untolds 1 sold very well

>>741423064
It was still 40 on eshop

>>741423229
Fool me once.

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Peak.

>we never got Untold 3 with Arianna finding her fafnir again

>>741422823
what's with OP being a faggot 9 times out of 10 on this board? there has to be an explanation

>>741423249
I remember everyone calling anyone that bought digital Nintendo games retards and they were right. But regardless, in Japan, Atlus always charged a premium for their games at 6000 yen when most 3rd party games cost in the 4000 yen range, and Nintendo themselves charged in the 5000 yen range for 1st party games. There was a huge uproar about the DLC and everyone making up shit that they were cutting out parts of the dungeon to sell later

>>741423539
Why the fuck would I want u2 garbage characters in untold 3?

>>741423854
Who the fuck are you? Why would i give a shit about what you want? We literally got a small preview of Fafnir in UE3.

>>741423762
christ that is crazy, no way anyone bought that shit over there

>>741423064
Atlus games were the only decent titles to get proper discounts on the 3ds.

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>>741423762
Tranime dungeon crawlers are a dime a dozen and EO is no different. Shouldn't cost more than 30 bucks desu considering how easy it is to develop this kind of game, not to mention the lower production cost.

>>741423903
Japanese games have always cost a lot more in Japan relatively speaking. Yeah nowadays 10,000 yen is only about 60 bucks but that's equivalent to 100 bucks for them and minimum wage is somewhere around 1000-1200 yen. Funny that their complete bitches when it comes to piracy though.

NO MORE GAYS

>>741422892
I blame you

As if fanservice has any real impact on the sales. Coomers grossly overestimate their economic impact.

>>741422823
>>Coincidentally the worst selling game in the series
because coomers don't buy games, they only fap to art.

>>741422823
Untold is just bad
it feels bad to play and was made for people who hate Etrian Odyssey

>>741422823
"Fan servive" is trash.
Half naked female "warrior" fighting monsters = immersion broken

>>741424705
>feels bad to play
They introduced everything that makes anything after including the HD games not complete ass to play though.

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But best Etrian Odyssey is objectively A-train tourism

>>741424705
Only u2
u2 felt great, especially with how monsters became a threat too

I think untold 1 is better than 2.

>>741424920
It had some problems like books, but yeah. U1 is peak of EO game design outside of boring og etrian classes

>>741424920
The only thing it has going for it is the difficulty. Fuck grinding for Grimoires.

>>741424910
u2 was the one which homogenized all bosses into waste of time until the last 30% of their health remains at which point you burst them down

>entire series is built around avoiding the pitfalls of stereotypical jrpg slop
>The untold games throw the main point of the series away to appeal to the unwashed masses
>they flop because the main players hate them and new players dont care about more generic jrpg slop
You get what you fucking deserve, that's all Im saying.

>>741425271
And all I'm saying is that ur a faggot and autist that can't understand that some people like what you don't

>>741425374
Right back at you. If you want stereotypical jrpg slop, go play those like Mary skelter, dungeon travellers or labyrinth of refrain or something. EO is not for you.

>>741424910
>memorize this 20 turn boss pattern
>every boss
Nah

You're all arguing over what you didn't like about the game just for fun, right? You understand it flopped because the 3DS died the instant the Switch came out, yes? The actual quality of the game was completely irrelevant.
People were not buying 3DS games in 2018 even if they came with free blowjobs. This was after Breath of the Wild and Xenoblade 2 were out.

>>741423229
Yeah because it was the first. Even though 2U is objectively better, the first remake burned people and they didn't show up for seconds.

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>>741422823
Play Wizardry Daphne, the fanservice is welcome, and it has sold quite well.

>>741422823
Which one is the best to play? With best quality of life improvements

>>741425374
Then play the hundreds of thousands of other JRPGs that follow the same boring tropes over and fucking over again and leave EO alone. Fuck's sake, the same devs have the perfect alternative for you faggots: Persona.

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>>741426132
I love my wife Lulu!

>>741426090
>Even though 2U is objectively better
Disgaea level hp bloath is not something peopel want in their eo games, outside of pol tourists
Story itself got way worse, with super special fafnir knight and overlord was ruined hard

>>741426541
>story
Like I fucking played that gay shit. Yeah HP bloat sucks but Untold 1 is just bad, making 2 better by default.

>>741425573
>>741426307
>if you like EO you have to like it for the exact same reasons I do or else you're a persona fag
Christ you autists are the worst. I like EO games for the game play and mechanics

>>741426691
If you like things that are antithetical to the very core of a series, you don't like the series. There are effectively a infinite amount of games that fit what you enjoy yet these retards try to change the few games that are different.

>>741426612
>but Untold 1 is just bad
...what? u1 didn't had any hp bloat, schizo
Etreant
>eo 18k hp
>untold 22k hp
That's pretty good, considering how many new foe and monsters untold added on the way to him

>>741426691
>moving goalposts to muh mechanics now
And the untold games fucked that up too with OPAF MC special snowflake classes, Grimoires to patch up story mode locked parties, and retarded boss design so the story mode team doesnt just steamroll them in 3 turns.
You tried. You can stop now. It's okay. Go back to persona.

>>741426790
Ok so if you can ignore that the games exist, I can ignore story mode and play classic. Letting me play the game how I want to core to EO isn't it?

Anyone else randomly get recommended this?
>500K views
huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Ny7gIyf04

>>741426820
Work on your reading comprehension.
>>741426868
Or don't add these things to the game at all? They could've remade 1 and/or 2 without poisoning the well with story mode. Instead they could've added a new stratum, bosses, enemies, a new class or 2, and fixed bugs and called it a day, and people would've loved it. Instead the marred the experience with shit nobody who plays these games likes, like story mode and pre-set fucking characters.

>>741422823
Didnt some fire emblem fags try to cancel this artist when he made a petite flat chested character for that FE gacha

>>741427084
>Instead they could've added a new stratum
>let's listen weirdo on the internet and fuck up game progression
Yeah, glad that they made untold 1 instead, lol

i played the first eo game and i did not think it was all that good

>>741427128
Nah, it was just redditors crying he somehow made a 15 year old look too child like (he drew her with bigger chest than the chopping board she was in the original game)

>>741427184
U1 has a new stratum, so...

Base 2 had by far and away the lowest HP values in the series because they tried to compensate with resists and high def values.
2U is more in line with the other games where enemies have hp values that are balanced around your actual output and whatever the boss gimmick is.

>>741426132
Isnt that a g*cha?

>>741427735
It's an extra floor at the end of every stratum, that's quite different.

Scylla was so shit it turned me off the entire game. Abhorrent game balance.

>>741426864
EOU's story mode team is solid but you can easily make teams that are just as strong in classic because U's class balance is almost perfect with only a couple outliers.
2U's story mode team is two conflicting archetypes trying to work together and its way easier to make a better team on classic that will wipe the floor with them.

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>>741427961
yuuup, and thanks to that, it's the biggest and best bloober ever made. From dungeon design, to the feeling of being part of a party, the game is a blast.

>>741428053
Scylla was always a filter boss. DS Scylla fucks you in the ass with cry soul fishing and 2U's version is an aoe check fight which is why so many classes have panic aoe breaks or some form of competent add clearer. Even the halfbaked story mode team has drop shot, flank shot and link order 2.

>>741428001
And it adds up to a whole stratum.

>>741428134
Second dungeon was objectively the worst shit I played a year. Terrible quest design, annoying dungeon and monster design. Burned any goodwill I had left.

Doesn't help that dailies take forever and inventory management is abysmal.

>>741428160
>filter boss
It's RNG dogshit cancer. Nothing in EO4 or 5 has anything as stupid as that. Scylla should've been hotfixed. Story mode team can't even beat her without dozens of resets.

>>741422823
What Etrian game?
I thought it was E04 for a moment.

>>741428215
>Doesn't help that dailies take forever
What? They take 5min max.

>>741428247
Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold

>>741428134
>and thanks to that, it's the biggest and best bloober ever made.
said every sunken cost coombrained gachatard ever. Pass.

>>741428301
Thanks.
I never played Untold after trying the demo, story mode wasn't what I wanted but I hear it has a regular mode too?

>>741428194
Yes, but in terms of progression, you get maybe an extra level from the extra encounters that doesn't really affect you going into the next one and immediately getting fucked up

>>741424307
>minimum wage where I live is 3000 yen
yikes wtf
that sounds pretty fucked up

never really thought about how much games cost there

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>>741428336
NOPE, it's an objective opinion. It's the biggest budget a bloober ever got, and you see it in every single detail the game has. Japanese Wizardry fans are completely in love with it for a reason.

>>741423613
>on this board

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>>741428490
The artbook is so cool.

>>741428490
>NOPE, it's an objective opinion
No such thing. What do you think "objective" means here?

>>741428490
>NOPE
NTA but the fact that actually nobody cares about the game excep a market that's completely brainwashed by mobile games and gachashit should be very telling.

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>retarded gacha fag is back at shilling his garbage in EO

>>741428336
It's barely even a gacha, I log in maybe once every 6 months and play the new dungeons when they release. Unfortunately, dungeon crawlers are a dead genre so you have to take what you can get.

>>741428490
>NOPE, it's an objective opinion.
>said the gachatard with a table full of merch and defending fucking dailies grind
Just make a new thread if you want to proselytize for your newest waifu gambling phone game. Now fuck off.

>>741428490
You have to watch that dumb animation at the end every singe time right? That shit would lose it's novelty in the first 10 minute at best.

>>741428242
Its the same cry soul bullshit from ds but with adds, so you bring resistances (or spam barrier) to mitigate her ailment fishing bullshit. Its like how Ketos likes to abuse spout, sleep and so on to get ocean rave to land since it has bad hit.

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>>741428490
My favorite part is the monster design. This is connoisseur dark fantasy stuff; they got the goddamn Katsuya Terada for it.

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>>741428693
Look at this! JESAS

>>741422942
I bought and liked the first 3.
I will not be buying 4-6, because I didn't notice 1-3 came bundled with malware. Seriously, fuck Denuvo and fuck SEGA.

Which are the best EO games to play?
I'm kinda considering seeking them out for collectionism purposes but I'm fine with my cracked 2DS too.

>>741428896
3, 4, and 5

>>741428896
4 and 5 are the best games.
Untold 2 (game in OP) is quite good too although suffers from poorer balance. Rest of the games are really dated.

>>741428817
The collection initially released without denuvo and stayed that way for two whole days so you can rollback your installed version to that one
Atleast you could 3 fucking years ago holy shit where did all the time go

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>>741428969
Thanks. I've wanted to own a physical dungeon crawler for a long time and I've always eyed either a EO game or Strange Journey but usually both goes for dumb prices today.

Sometimes is just nice to own physical things.

>>741428648
Not him, but no one actually plays on default speed and it's pretty snappy with fast forward on.

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>>741428648
nope, it's random, and the animation with each party member changes depending on how high your affinity with them is. Each unique adventurer have their own set of animations.
>>741428632
It's in the road to it's second anniversary!
>>741428215
but I loved the second abyss, fun stuff! Beautiful haunting music! Here, have some more fishfolk to remind you of it.

>Complaining about 2U's balance while defending 5's
Lmao.

>>741428215
It's pretty ass yeah. Thankfully the 3rd and 4th pick back up. There is nothing like the 2nd abyss's arena shit again.

People love to complain about story mode but you can create stronger parties in classic mode in both untold games.

>>741429129
Please take your g*cha chilling out of threads for real games. Make your own thread, please.

>>741429249
Daphne is more of a real game than Fatlus shit desu

>>741429312
Then make a thread clear of any fatlus stink for your gacha

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>>741429249
uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
nyus
bloober threads are a good time to remind people that they can play daphne and contribute to the popularity of the genre. Daphne has done more for bloobers in 2 years than Atlus ever did in 2 decades.

>>741429312
Sounds like you should make a thread and talk about the superior game there instead of this shit thread.

>>741429312
Oh, you're the dumb nigger who goes into /wizg/ and shits all over EO for literally no reason when nobody even brings it up, trying to cause a weird rift between the two.

>>741428998
They did the same with Yakuza, good thing I bought the 0-6 collection on GOG before that happened. I even bought 7 on Steam without DRM, but now it has Denuvo. Only reason I didn't buy Pirate Yakuza too, despite loving Majima enough to buy a pin.

>>741429438
take your meds

>>741429214
U1's story mode team is easily one of the strongest ones you can make. Its trivial to beat 2Us.

>>741429312
>shittalking the game whose thread you're parasitizing
It's funny how gachatards just cant help themselves.

>>741429670
Etrian Odyssey is beyond dead bro. Don't need to deepthroat this hard. Fatlus cares about the series even less than I do.

>>741429738
Why did you even enter a thread dedicated to a game you self admittedly don't care about?

>>741428247
EO4 was wholesome soul, anon

>>741429738
Hell, it's so dead didn't the artist just announce his own knock off version recently? It's never coming back.

>>741429832
Because Fatlus fans need to be reminded how much their company hates them.

>>741423613
>9 times out of 10

>>741426132
>can't run on my phone
>PC version has kernel level malware
No, I don't think I will. Make a normal fucking offline version or fuck off.

>>741429847
The artist has always been freelance and has done work for tons of games. Even does porn.

>>741429670
Anyone who's an actual Etrian fan despises Atlus at this point. It's been 10 years since EO5. Better buy another Persona remake to fund Next. They're definitely gonna release the game any day now!

>EO finally got a schizo spammer
wtf, alive game?

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>>741430261
N-next Stage status?

>>741430137
You still wouldn't throw your hands up and go "fuck it, I'll make my own EO" as the artist if you had any hope of a new one being made. If even the artist has given up it's not coming back.

>>741430392
What game did he make?

>>741430392
He didn't make his own game. Fucking hell, why do people lie so flagrantly? He recently did work on some dogshit dime-a-dozen Experience dungeon crawler.

>>741430573
>Fartlus fan accusing Experience of being unoriginal
lol

>>741426132
I'll play it when they release the offline version a la Mega Man X DiVE or I'll not play it at all.

>>741428253
That's way too long

>>741429129
>go to the arena
>go to this NPC go back to the arena
>lose this fight
>go back to the arena
>talk to this NPC
>go back to the arena
>win this fight
>talk to this NPC

And that's AFTER all the water level shit

Objectively terrible design and everyone in charge should be made to roll boulders uphill

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>>741430842
will literally never happen, the game found it's super niche. It's aimed at 40-50yo salary men (literally, it's in their reports) there is not a single other game like it, be it offline or online. It's the game keeping it's whole company alive after years and years of failures. They'll grab to it 'till they die.

And that's a good thing! The game oozes SOUL. The amount of fanart it gets every day is touching.

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>>741431030
Having a bloober actually having characters was a risk that paid off greatly, people do fall in love with their adventurers in this game.

>>741431029
Second Abyss was definitely a step down from first. Guarda was quite good though and has shades of EO's FOEs. Haven't played Abyss 4 yet.

>>741431030
>>741431220
Cool. Not interested in giving your mobile gacha garbage any money. Now get lost

>>741431220
Me in the back.

>>741431242
I've got mixed feeling about A4, one one hand it's got a nice comfy snowy aesthetic and it's much easier to farm than a3 was. On the other hand it's got some real fucking bullshit bosses and the general dungeon gimmick isn't nearly as interesting as sentries were.

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>>741426541
>>741426612
If 2 Untold is guilty of enemy HP bloat, then just about every other EO game is, as well. I don't understand this complaint.

>>741431367
>real fucking bullshit bosses
Nothing compares to Guarda's doll boss.

>>741431391
You haven't played the other games or you're retarded.

>>741431391
...are you retarded?
like medically?

>>741422823
It's a fucking shadowgate clone, no matter how many tits you slap to it there's a limit to how many people you're going to atract.

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>>741431030
4me, is elf women

>>741431425
The doll wasn't even that bad by the second half of guarda's lifespan thanks to the 2h buffs and general damage creep newer characters have. Meanwhile with a4 bosses you have to count HP to make sure you don't accidentally give them a free action leading to instant death at the wrong time.

>>741431638
>Doll boss
>100% pure RNG
>Bigfoot/Wolf
>probably overtuned but had clear mechanics you could try and work around
Anyway, powercreep isn't an argument because eventually that'll apply to A4.

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>>741431430
Every EO game starts with your party struggling to survive basic dungeon outings, then you reach the first few bosses and you slap them until your party runs out of TP and you barely eke out the win with the help of inventory items or whatever. Then in the midgame your party starts getting proper skills and strategy builds online and the enemies start melting in a completely different fashion. This happens in 2U, too. My best guess for why 2U has this reputation is that people simply parrot some single fag's opinion from years ago when the game was new and being figured out, or some statistical outlier is in play where a majority of the 4chan-posting playerbase picked absolute garbage parties for Classic mode and didn't realise it was their mistake rather than the game's.

>>741431638
>The doll wasn't even that bad
retard, doll is unironically worse than 2U scylla. pure rng fight, zero skill

>>741431817
>You haven't played the other games or you're retarded.
Retarded it is then.

>>741431391
>I don't understand this complaint.
No, you do. You choose to ignore the extremely tedious bullshit gimmicks like sliding ice blocks into scylla or baiting bombs into juggernaut to cope.

What's with the EO threads when there's no new games, did the general finally die?

>>741431935
Then why not loudly complain about EO4 bosses having similar gimmicks, too?

>>741431974
EO officially died when the Steam trilogy failed to do any noise. We cope now, and play Wizardry Daphne instead.

>>741431391
>I don't understand this complaint.
You forget that the average retard playing this game must have a healer and tank in their team and then probably a support class and you have a team that outputs zero damage.

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>>741431974
/eog/ is just reclining.

>>741432042
Why would eo chads play f2p gacha garbage?

>>741422823
Gooners dont play games

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>>741431430
>>741431482
You never played the games retards
>Oh but Juggernaut has twice the HP
because all the bosses in EOU2 have those shitty puzzles that reduce boss HP to half.

>>741432042
Shartlus released 15 year old DS games for almost full price and expected people to reward them for it. Hope the series stays dead and Shartlus goes out of business desu.

>>741432009
Because you can ignore those gimmicks and not still not have to spend an eternity to kill them in combat.
Following my earlier example, how much HP does Scylla and Juggernaut have in U2? Retard.

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>>741432109
it's a mistery

>>741432161
We already established that you're retarded. Don't have to reiterate.

>>741431974
No, we're still alive and don't listen to that anon, we don't talk about that gacha there. The hd collection likely actually did okay and has brought in some new players over the years.

>>741432042
>gacha parasite is still trying
Lol

>>741432195
Just enough HP for beating them to feel like an accomplishment with the average damage output of 2U classes.

>>741432272
>slavecattle still coping 10 yeas later

>>741432286
>dodging the question
Thanks for proving my point, retard.

>>741432234
Whatever you have to tell yourself to be able to sleep at night after being wrong. Sleep tight retard.

>>741432180
Over full price considering the trilogy should've been the base package. People just saw the $80 price tag and bailed without even considering the already ridiculous price of each game separately.

>>741432161
>>741432195
Flame Demon, Harpuia, Overlord and several others dont have the hp reduction puzzles. This shit also started in EO4 with Boiling Lizard where you had to weaken it and nerf its attacks to not get bodied during Stratum 3.
Besides, Juggernaut also applies a global attack buff on everyone on top of the hp puzzle and everyone generally having high output.
Unironically, just make a better team.

>>741432368
What is the point of answering the question when the answer is only going to be relevant within the confines of the single game? It's apples and oranges to look at flat HP values when you're never going to have a party full of 2U Dark Hunters with 2U damage calc formulas when playing EO1.

2U is dogshit and the worst game in the entire series

>>741432520
>to not get bodied
That's a lie, you could have fight it at full power and kill lizard just fine

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Oh look at that, EO5 is a shit game with bloated HP

>>741432520
>Flame Demon, Harpuia, Overlord and several others dont have the hp reduction puzzles.
So not only do they have bloated pools, they also take fucking forever to kill
>This shit also started in EO4 with Boiling Lizard where you had to weaken it and nerf its attacks to not get bodied during Stratum 3.
And it's entirely optional. You cna easily kill it without doing that shit at all. EO4 is the easiest game in the series
>Unironically, just make a better team.
like the story team that this boss is balanced around!
Go ahead mongoloid tell me how many tuens it took your party to kill a fucking 72K hp boss.

>>741431817
>>741432057
Story Mode is 1 obvious dps, 3 hybrids and a real tank, so its pretty easy for people to build them wrong and do no damage.

mindbroken 2u troon is having a melty

For people who can potentially fall for it >>741432741
u2 4th stratum final floor is balanced around 30 level
eo5 4th stratum final floor is balanced around 50(strongest foe is yellow)+

>>741432671
>>741432772
>you could easily kill boiling lizard on your first visit in Stratum 3
You have not played EO4 in years and it shows. Boiling Lizard at full strength is bulkier than everything in the next stratum and its attacks have higher numbers than the nerfed one. On top of that, you dont have access to Bushi, Imperial and you're going to be at ~35ish which means no L40 skills.

>>741433093
Killed him at full power during my first walkthrough because I expected rare drop from it

>>741432772
>the story mode team
You mean the dogshit team where Fafnir is a gimped piece of trash for 66% of the game that unironically drags your team down?
Classic is running around with monsters like Dark Hunter, Hexer, Troubadour and Beast, Compression Alch, etc. On top of that, 2U sells items that can you can use for any team to bypass Juggernaut's gimmick. 2U's story team was relentlessly shat on for being gimped and unintuitive for new players to use properly.

>>741433301
Yeah and I'm the king of england.

>>741432927
>Level 30
>2U's 4th stratum
Why lie?

>>741433419
Why are you muslim?

>>741428415
on the flipside both rent and food are far cheaper in japan, especially if you cook yoursel, you only get fucked over on some fruit prices
fish in particular is practically free if you buy it freshly caught and know how to butcher it yourself

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>>741433354
>for 66% of the game
Wait, you mean fafnit becomes the most broken piece of shit once you get to the fourth stratum and if you properly specinto force skills?
What's even the point of this act, anyway? Especially since you fucking admit Juggernaut is at the point where fafnir is strong enough to oneshot FOEs.

>>741426061
Untold 2 flopped because it had nothing good going for it
Both 5 and Nexus were released after it

>>741428490
>It looks like generic no-name slop I would have played on the PSP back then, just with slightly better gwaphix.
>The fight was LITERALLY done by just spamming normal attacks, and this is something to brag about, so the actual gameplay is braindead simple.
Do gachatards really have such rock bottom standards?

>>741433560
>Some people still can't accept the fact that u1 was great
>Minority of retards who wanted series to be like disgaea/dungeon travelers, can't accept the fact that u2 was trash

>>741431391
The HP bloat meme and resulting complaints about Fafnir damage is just shitters coping with their inability to teambuild. Luckily for them there's a story mode included that streamlines everything for them!

>>741426132
Tried it before but already got my hands full with other gacha and I always feel weird playing a gacha when I have access to any of my consoles or PCs so it didn't really have a place for me. That said I dig the concept hard and the first-person presentation is cool as fuck seeing your party members run in from off-screen or congratulate you after a battle. From what I've heard from a friend that did stick with the game it does sound pretty fun/not pay to win and I can only hope that either they make a full non-gacha version someday or someone apes the soul they put into it

>>741433668
By the time fafnir finally becomes worth a damn, you were already breaking the game over your knee with a competent classic mode party. Fafnir is comically overrated by retards.

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>>741433686
uh? Anyon, the game is filled with unique animations for each different spell, skill and attack. Unique spells or skills can have unique triggers developed in combat. Add this to passives and you have a delicious combat system. Nope, if anything, this is one of the best parts of the game.

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>>741433560
It's really disgraceful that this HP bloat shit still pops up to this day. It wasn't right back then and it isn't suddenly right now. If you want to shit on 2U, do it with some other argument that actually holds water.

>>741433354
>Beast
>monster
LMAO come on man if you really want to shill U2 you have to atleast try to pretend you played this shit game

2U flopped (and that's a good thing)

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>>741433856
Some of these are so fucking cool; ignore darkness man missing though, kek

>>741433726
Not with atrocious grimoire farming and forced story mode for 100%. EOU2 fixed everything that was wrong with 1 but they went and added a shit ton of DLC to piss of everyone.

>>741433856
>>741433953
i hope you're at least getting paid to do this because this is beyond pathetic

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>nice comfy EO thread yesterday gets derailed by an autist bitching about something he literally made up
>comfy EO thread today derailed by a faggot trying to shill his gacha
How is this series so cursed that you can't even talk about it

>>741433807
>story mods that streamlines everything for them
>fafnir is gimped garbage without force skills for far too long
>its very much possible to build chloe, arianna and flavio wrong, which gives you three gimped pieces of shit that do no damage when story mode expects everyone but bertrand to contribute in multiple fights

If we're actually being real, the only good EO games are 4 and 5.

>>741433826
Sure thing, bro, whatever you say. Keep pretending force fafnir doesnt snap the game by level 20, it's all you can do.You're certainly not going to tell me how many turns it took your competent team to kill a 72K HP juggernaut

>>741433923
You are retarded and ignorant.

>>741434115
On what planet do people dislike 3?

This gacha fag is arguing with himself as he's clearly never played any game and is just calling any anon unfortunate to reply a retard with no argument to derail the thread. Now watch him call me a schizo

>>741434051
There's nothing to talk about. It's been 10 years. Move on with your life. Shartlus already has.

>>741433956
>u2 fixed things, despite being the most hated game in the series while untold was well liked
>i bet this is because dlc superbosses, the thing that people liked the most about game and considered to be the only redeeming quality of it
retard

>pretending 2U was better than 1U
falseflag hours?

>>741434182
>while untold was well liked
Stop telling yourself this lie. U2 flopped because nobody liked U1 and nobody wanted to give it a second chance. The sooner you accept reality the better

>>741434149
Just say you never played story mode and be done with it.

>>741428391
well yeah all of them have the regular mode

>Harpuia eo2
>4k hp
>Harpuia u2
>20k hp
People will unironically defend this

>>741434171
Meh, it has a cool theme but combat is boring. It's probably the game that would've benefited the most from getting an Untold remake but Atlus is retarded.

>first u2 fags blamed pokemon release
>now they blame untold
Maybe their game is just trash?

>>741434347
>eo2
>500 damage is insane
>ds eo
>500 damage is paltry
I wonder why

>>741434347
>People
It's one guy >>741431391 who's been spamming the thread after people rightfully laughed at him for simping for the worst game in the series.

>>741434327
>Just agree with my lie!
No. Im doing this for your own good. Stop living in delusion, it's not healthy. Now face your pain and answer my question, how many turns did it take your competent team to kill a 72K HP juggernaut?

>>741434347
gotta bloat those HP values up to keep up with the absurd damage spikes you can do or the boss wouldn't last a turn

>>741434347
wow different games have different damage values wowow i need to be mad about this for some reason

>>741434404
No one fucking liked untold 1 on release. Why are you lying? Atlus got a lot of shit for story mode gating a ton of content behind it. This is why 2U allowed you to fight the ginnugagap bosses as optional quests on classic.

reminder u2 flopped so hard that u3 was cancelled

>>741434404
I think the best part of this thread is the U2 fag arguing the story mode team is trash, without realizing that may also be a reason why the newfags it was supposed to appeal to didnt like U2. I wonder if he has enough self awareness to realize this

>>741434171
It was the most liked game on ds, but let's be honest, it's still generic dungeon crawler but with map drawing. HD release really showed difference between it and later 3ds games like nexus, 5 or even u2(which had pretty shit classes too)
Monsters getting skills that could actually fuck over party besides rare ones with status, started with 4, and untold greatly improved first game by following same design
Classes actually having synergy and tank improvemetns, started later too. With hero being perfectly designed class that could fill any niche without being overpowered
etc
Series really advanced a lot.
There a reason why "fans" of other dungeon crawlers, when shit on EO series, usually pick first 3 games to target.

>>741423613
Bait posts tend to have the most replies. If you want your thread to survive you must make retarded statements.

>>741434431
3 turns. Protip Juggernaut casts a 100% attack up buff on your entire team as part of his gimmick. So that 72000 HP is more like 36000.

Is 5 an unfinished game btw? I've been itching to play it again but the last time I did so I ended up quitting in the crystal caves. Felt like all the story events just dried up and it turned into an extremely generic blobber. Does the 5th stratum get good again or is 5 just a "quit after Stratum 3" type of game?

>>741434819
>3 turns
But of course you'd say that since juggernaut purges buffs on turn 4, then uses a team wide attack on turn 5 if the purge was triggered.
Seriously, if you want to defend U2 you have to atleast pretend to have played it instead of this retarded wiki reading.

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>>741422823
benis

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>>741435025
this is a Savia board

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uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...
nyontent?

>>741422823
That was a pre order bonus

how do the japanese get away with literal child sexualization?

>>741434916
no, it's fully finished and you just retard who hates nice things

>>741434538
Good. EO3 is a perfect game and the last good EO game
>muh droid
Git gud

>>741435146
They are just that based.

>>741435154
Hey, I loved the first 3 stratums. The third stratum with the undeads was especially kino. Dunno what it is but the crystal caves just felt bland AF. There was almost no story or adventurer "events" in it.

>>741434916
Unfinished? No, it's got all the bells and whistles of the average EO game, arguably more since none of the enemies are recycled from older games.
Cobbled together hastily after a protractred dev cycle where the original concept for the game was obviously much, much more ambitious? Yeah, yeah it was. The story being disjointed is one obvious consequence.

>>741434347
>EO1/EOU
9000 HP
14400 HP
>EO2
4000 HP
19960 HP
>EO3
12830 HP
12420 HP
>EO4
15000 HP
>EO5
21542 HP
I wonder if anyone noticed the trend between the stratum 4 boss hp and your damage output.
>>741434979
>Turn 4
Nope. Juggernaut does his buff check shit on a later turn. Nice try though.

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I just wanted to talk about EO

>>741435129
No it was free DLC for a limited time after launch with a few others. Best part about it was actually the bikini armor it gave you because you could slap onto a bear without sacrificing their usual gear and they would take extremely reduced elemental damage while still being physically tanky.

>>741434645
What are you even talking about? No, 3 still remains as excellent and usually 1 would be the "target" if anything. 3 is far better than a "generic dungeon crawler" and has plenty of very threatening normal encounters. 3 is actually the first game where they really started to nail down random encounter design, the main thing 3 is missing from newer games is enemy rear lines but it's still solid overall. Class synergy is highly present as well.

>>741435489
Japan had to pay for all the dlc. We got each dlc free for a limited period of time.

>>741435462
Oh shit, is there a new MiA chapter or have I just forgotten which chapter that image is from?

>>741435497
I stopped playing 3 when I picked I think it was the Pirate class and their entire gameplay was spamming a single ability. The skill trees kinda suck ass compared to the 3DS games.

>>741422823
I thought the untold remakes were worse sellers.

>>741435497
>and has plenty of very threatening normal encounters
People clearing everything in 3 with auto battle was literally reason why atlus even bothered to start doing proper encounter designs from 4 ownard. Auto battle was literally biggest meme in pre 3ds years
What was threatening?

>>741435586
New chapter came out 3 days ago

>>741433859
>do it with some other argument that actually holds water.
If I want to complain about 2U it's the boost system. You feel really weak without boosts, like your baseline does not feel like 100% going to 150% when boosted it's more like 20% baseline to 200% boosted you can boost and blow your load with all the breaks and kill 90% of boss hp in 1 turn but once boost runs out? That last 10% feels impossible.
And that's why I don't like the boost system.

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>>741435696
Nice, time for some readin'.

>>741435748
It's even worse with story party. They do absolutely zero dmg out of boost and almost all the dmg is from Fafnir using his boost mode.

Even though revamps were needed for EO1-3 people wanted new games. Atlus always fucked over the EO devs so that even when new games were developed EO games remained an underfunded experience. The amount of attention the series garnered should have showed it was worth producing a full budgeted RPG. We never even got Untold 3. Fuck Atlus.

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I miss Ricky posting.

>>741435883
Make sure to buy Persona 4 Revival to show Atlus we still want Etrian Odyssey! :^)

>there no persona q undub cia
Suffering

>>741435856
What? Did you built Chloe and Arianna as pure supports or something? Even back during release, everyone was shilling Ailment Slash and Link Order.
What I dislike about boost is how much it makes or breaks classes. Ronin is utter ass because it has a bad boost.

Want to request fortress x landshark yuri porn, but can't decide who should be the top

>>741423064
I bought the remastered version but couldn't get any of the DLC because my copy was imported

>>741436147
If you meant the HD remasters, you are supposed to make a separate JP account on your system, download the DLC with it, and then your main account would have access to it.

>>741436061
pretty sure there is
I played all the etriams undubbed

>>741435663
I don't think you've played 3, you might be thinking about 1. Off the top of my head, you've got the Lynx, giant birds, big fish head guys with strong lightning, the turtles, and many more.
>>741435612
Buccs aren't the best designed class in 3 but using that as a basis to judge all classes is silly. They should at least be using Eagle Eye in addition to whatever attack skills you go for. They've got strong limit building abilities as well and can frequently use limits.

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>>741436429
>Off the top of my head, you've got the Lynx, giant birds, big fish head guys with strong lightning, the turtles, and many more.
...and?
How any of them punish for auto attacking?
Lynx literally doesn't care, you either die from his single attack if you are retarded and explored at wrong time, or your party members can take a hit and just kill him on first/second turn. There no difference between skill/guard use on him, or not. Very weird thing to bring up
Other enemies on your list are no different

Now compare to something like
>if you don't bind enemy, he'll do shitton damage
>if you don't targget enemy first, he'll do shitton of damage
>if you strike enemy, next turn he'll do shitton of damage
>enemy is super fast and curse your party member
And other systems we got with 3ds games

>>741436429
I might give it another go at some point. Playing on PC was extremely uncomfy compared to 3ds. Perhaps it'd be better on a steam 'eck.

In the mood for 7th dragon
2ds for some reason can't cia from this site hshop.erista.me

On a sidenote. Just booted up my 3ds after a year or so without playing and it still has a full battery lol. They don't build em like they used to.

>>741436061
I literally just googled "Persona Q undub" and found it, did you even bother looking?

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can anyone vouch for the myriad of ecchi blobbers out there? I already played dungeon travelers 2 and loved it but there's this nagging feeling that it's all downhill from there
not looking for etrian levels of quality but it just has to ahve something special u kno

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>>741436938
I get it anon, you haven't played 3 or if you did, you played the HD version on basic difficulty. You see this thing? If you don't bind it, it'll do a shitton of damage. If you don't use a volt mitigation move, it'll do a shitton of damage. As for Lynx, yes he'll do a lot of damage when you first encounter him. That's not "exploring at the wrong time", he's supposed to be threatening when you first encounter him. You can build units specifically around normal attacking if you want but there's nothing wrong with that, it's just one way to build a character.

>>741437360
Dungeon Travelers 2 is the only good one. There's Stranger of Sword City but it's more of a Wizardry style game than EO. Legend of Grimrock but it's real time combat.
Also unironically the Wizardry gacha if you can stomach some gacha annoyance.

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>EOtrannies malding at WVD again
Kek your overpriced sloppa died for good because Faglus is too lazy and cheap to put any effort and budget into EO games. Muh imagination, amiright?

>>741437572
>That's not "exploring at the wrong time", he's supposed to be threatening when you first encounter him
...wow, just wow
And this person claims that I never played eo3.
Was it your first etrian and have weird homosexual nostalgia for it or something? Again, there only two ways encounter can go, he either strong enough to 1hit kill your party members because you rushed to another side or haven't equiped armor(maybe even both in your case), or not. So tell me, how auto attacking makes any difference?

>>741437915
EO3 is kind of a mid point between EO1 where every fight is a pure slugfest and the 3DS games which focus much more on party synergy and "solving" enemy comps as if they're puzzles. Even just adding rows to enemy formation complicates things a lot. But you can tell they were working out what they wanna do with EO combat by the time 3 came around and it's compelling enough I think. But the game is also carried by its setting, story and music, it's probably Koshiro's best work, at least for EO.

>>741437657
appreciate the response but those don't look very ecchi to me
well maybe the gacha but I'm not really into that stuff

Just dropping in to say EOniggers were always the most insufferable of all DRPG fans, so you 100% deserve what you get (nothing)

There should be way more EO fan service desu

>>741423229
And the fact that no one proceeded to buy the sequel should tell you everything you need to know about what people thought about 1.

what causes somebody to jump into the thread of a game they dislike and then waste hours of their time shitting it up

>>741422823
What are the essential gentlemencore dungeon crawlers?
DT2, Meiq, Demon Gays?

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>>741435125
/v/ loves benis

>>741437915
He hits hard enough that using a skill is probably a good idea. Like line guard, otori, a bind, or something to make sure he's not one-shotting one of your more squishy units. If you try and auto-batlle him to death, you'll likely end the battle with heavy damage or a KO'd unit which is not "optimal" or a very good way to play the game. That means spending more of your monk's TP to recover after the battle or just spending more on items and you're generally broke in early EO. This is just the beginning of the game as well, you've got far more dangerous encounters than him as you continue to progress. You've got enemies with nasty ailments/binds, enemies that protect each other, enemies with team attacks, counters, and so on. You're going to be using skills in 3 quite frequently, you'd know this if you played the game. I've done four different play-throughs of the game.

>>741435146
ask the americans
they elected multiple pedophiles to their highest office

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>>741437360
Why restrict yourself to ecchi DRPGs

Class of Heroes is very good, Elminage is good, Wizardry 6, 7, 8 and the gacha are good, the new Wizardry 1 remake is good, the PS1 versions of Wizardry 1, 2 and 3 are good, PS1 version of Wizardry 5 is good, Wizardry is just good you should play it if you're a fan of DRPGs because EO is just an easier Wizardry

Oh the DS version of SMT Strange Journey is also great, avoid the 3DS downgrade.

>>741438785
>MeiQ and Demon Gaze
Lmao no

DT2 despite the ecchi is solid enough I suppose.

>>741422823
It was stuck on the 3ds. If they released it on PC it'd have sold trillions copies.

>>741437360
Not an ecchi blobber but Potato Flowers In Full Bloom is a good one.

they had this DLC repeatable side quest that was a fuck ton of XP, way more than you could do by normal leveling
I couldn't get over how OP it was and I never finished the game because it felt like playing the rest of the game was a waste of time

>>741438998
I meant the SNES version of Wizardry 6 I have no idea why I said PS1 version of Wizardry 5.

The Jap developed Wizardrys are good too, specifically Tales of the Forsaken Land

>>741439076
if it released on pc it would have had to compete against actual good games and subsequently flopped

This quote was always a bunch of cope for not having more budget and time to make a "proper" RPG. Imagination and filling in some gaps in a game is great, but the game should also facilitate immersion. EO gives you enough to imagine how the characters fight or act as a party, but all of the stuff he talks about like eating together at an inn has absolutely no basis on any level within the game itself. It's literally just a single image for each character. Books have lots of detail woven into the expository text. TV and movies have color and sound. Tabletop has unparalleled player interactivity. Games are supposed to have feedback and mechanics to match the other mediums, and EO completely fails on that front. You can't give the player almost nothing in terms of setup and interactivity and pretend it's high brow for facilitating imagination.

>>741438998
>Oh the DS version of SMT Strange Journey is also great, avoid the 3DS downgrade
What's wrong with the 3DS version besides the art?

>>741439205
>I cant use my imagination because (enter retarded reason)

>>741439190
I'd have bought 20 copies because it has sexy little girl in it

>>741422823
I love the untold series so much bros. I can't go back to the mainline.

>>741439261
New character and storylines and endings are stupid. SJ is supposed to be a dark, depressing game but the 3DS adds a Mary Sue to anime the plot and give everyone good endings

>>741439160
>grinds the repeatable DLC quest meant for grinding
>complains about lack of difficulty afterwards
first Atlus game?

>>741439352
they didn't have that shit in eo3 or eo4
or atleast, I didn't remember it

>>741439340
>everyone hates the endings for 10 years because you literally have no reason to play law
>chaos ending is equally terrible
>this is the common held belief until it releases
>suddenly, fixing the endings and giving people a reason to do them is BAD
No, you are retarded.

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>>741431616
argh!

>>741439279
PC has many sexy little girl games...

>>741439386
i think 4 had them but i am not sure? the untolds definitely did. probably started around the 3DS era.
I know strange journey redux also had some DLC to help grinding. and probably the other SMT games around that time too. and ever since.

>>741439261
>besides the art?
Honestly, you get worse sprites and in exchange everyone gets one which is a very good trade off.
And there's nothing wrong with it beyond the ability to save anywhere, womb of grief is a great, and brutal, dungeon and the new final boss is better than the old final boss because it actually respects the core gameplay mechanics.

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>>741439465
See, here's one of them now. A retard who needs their good ending to enjoy a game. Probably a IVA fan too.

>>741439205
Meant for>>741437708

>>741439261
Depends, how old are you? The DS version is inscrutable to zoomers, they can't fathom why someone wouldn't like the 3DS version

>>741439261
>What's wrong with the 3DS version
nothing, posers didn't play either version it's just cheap bait

>>741439556
The new sub-apps made the vanilla dungeons way easier but the new dungeon and bosses were pretty tough. Redux was a mixed bag for me.

>>741439859
The command skills and L/R all out apps were a god send of
>mc is usable now
He's way less of a vending machine in redux.