How did the Persona series end up getting more popular than Final Fantasy?
>>741425242persona have 6 games and FF have 16? what the fuck you expected?doesn't help both franchises should have been like 4 different franchises thanks to the change of genre
>>741425242Because they're good games. Final Fantasy hasn't released a good game in 20 years.
>>741425242>How did the Persona series end up getting more popular than Final Fantasy?There is no way it is true. It's just /v/ bullshit.Persona is weeb game.
>Persona series sales : 30+ million>Final Fantasy series sales : 212+ million?
>>741425242Final fantasy lost its way. 11-12-13-14-15-16 were all failures in their own way. 14 had to be completely reimagined from the ground up and luckily came back to become Squares only cash cow that they use to fund all their other projects which are all failures too lol.
nothing mutts love more than underage children in sexually provocative situations
>>741425242Sheer quality and superiority.
>>741425461>11-12-13-14-15-16Name a non-Square Enix game better than that.
>>741425242better games
>>741425242Persona is better wish fulfillment. Being a high school student is also a near universal experience, so it’s easier to self insert.
the persona series did not get more popular, persona 5 did
>>741425242Lolis
>>741425507"Better game" is irrelevant, all of those final fantasies listed didnt sell anywhere close to what the higher ups were expecting so they are considered failures not by me or the fans but the developers themselves.
>>741425631True. Somehow P5 gold really popped off
Don't ask questions you already know the answer to. It makes you look stupid.
>>741425242They killed Aerith.Play stupid game, win stupid prize.
>>741425242Someone post the seamonkey on Facebook saying "I look like Joker XD".A dating/friendship simulator in the current era was bound to get popular.But even then you are delusional if you thin it's more popular than FF. Most FF fans are at least in their 30s by now so they are busy with things a bit more important than winning arguments on the internet>>741425686>muh salesAnother indio-seamonkey/zoomer argument, kys
Style probably has something to do with it. Final Fantasy used to have excellent style, then they let Nomura slip his tard wranglers and the franchise aesthetics shit the bed.Persona has stayed stylish, thanks to a strong, distinct art style with consistent direction.Compare pic related to the current version of the character.
>>741425971Durr.
>>741425962>dating simYeah, FF7R is like this.
>>741425407>doesn't know what a weeb game is
>>741426106LMAO fffags are pathetic
>>741425407how many flops will it take to teach you a lesson old man?
>>741425490just checked, it's still below 1mil after 13 days... grim
>>741426106>thing from original is done in remake no wayPersona is popular the same reason FE Awakening revitalized the franchise, dating/life sim being at the forefront of it all.
>>741426269The Persona 4 Revival video reached 3M lmao
>>741425242This guy learnt of the games existence like 3 months ago
>>741425242Realistically when you think about it, they produce games at a slower pace than Square-Enix (mostly due to SEGA having no fucking money) and each time they release a new Persona game they essentially bastardize a religion from somewhere at one point and just apply the same tired 23 man Confidante/Social Link 365 day calender scheme to a game. There really isn't much variation between the last 3 games.But developing titles that always associate teenagers, always having color stylized palettes, having pretty decent music and always having relatable post modern adventures by bastardizing JoJo's Bizarre Adventure theatrics has really paid off for them in the long run.
Mainline Final Fantasy fell off in relevancy due to a deadly combination of trying to change its gameplay radically in different directions to desperately pander to outsiders, and Square's budgeting for their flagship projects being horrifyingly irresponsible since FF7 (they got too used to Sony helping to foot the bill and have struggled to adapt to being weened off).Though if Persona 6 pulls a Metaphor (i.e. pandering to a loud minority of miserable Japanophobic asexuals on Twitter), it'll also shoot Persona's momentum in the foot.
>>741425242The fact that E33, a game that aped classic FF, resonated so hard with people who wouldn't touch a jrpg and thinks that Persona is filthy weird weebshit but loved FF back in the day, proves that FF is still a cut above the rest. If FFXVII brought back turn-based combat it would surpass every Persona game in sales and popularity.
>>741425242The last good FF game was unironically 20 years ago. Are you really shocked about this?
trannies, next thread
I've tried multiple persona games but could never get past the dreadfully boring weebshit high school life simulator parts which take most of the time.I don't understand how can anybody but the biggest fatlus stomach that shit.
>>741425242Because RPGs are better than extremely mediocre action games.
>>741425407Lol. This old man thinks modern final fantasy games are anywhere as good or popular as the old ones. Like when the hell was the last good final fantasy game released? Back in the PS2 days?
I find the Persona games to be too anime and weeb and cringe. Final Fantasy in general tones the cringey anime weeb shit down compared to other JRPG games. FF13 was the only one I played where it came across as cringey anime weeb shit and I hated it. I never got that same cringey anime weeb shit vibe from any of the other mainline FF games.
>>741427745Pretty much yeah. 10 was the last one that was generally regarded as good and even that was a decline from earlier ones.
>>741425242FF has been notably bad since XII and arguably since XXII was the last time I gave a fuck about new releases of it.Now development takes too long and it’s lost it’s “fantastic” elements imo.FFXIV holds on because of it’s world carrying over from XII being more classically high fantasy
>>741426106>muh youtube viewsyou can re-read the post you quoted.>I can't form personal opinions so I will just go with the crowdso which one is it? Indian or seamonkey?
Because of better game design.
No good mainline FF since PS2.No bad mainline persona since PS1.
It has that ideal high school life experience that both troons and chuds missed out on.
Can anyone explain the current shitshow with Hatsune Miku P5x? Like Japan as a whole is largely pissed about the 1st global anni.
>>741428190Apparently she is just really busted
>>741427832Yeah and those games are from like 20+ years ago. It's crazy how lost to time some people are and don't understand how persona easily overtook final fantasy in popularity since then
>>741428163I'm a neet chud and the last thing I want to do is think about high school.
Turn based combat. Square believed that making FF like every other le generic action RPG was a good idea
Persona since it found a successful formula from Atlus with 3 has maintained a pretty consistent presentation from game to game, making incremental QoL changes and improvements and we can expect the same in P6. In that regard after its re-imagining with 3, it has become something like Dragon Quest, another series that has maintained a similar presentation with tweaks and occasional forays over the years. If I played Persona 3, and enjoyed it, I can reasonably conclude I will enjoy Persona 6. Even if I like 3 more, I can understand how people, for instance, like 5. The same is true of DQ games. I like DQ2, 5, and 7 the most. 6 is probably my least favorite, but I can understanding someone liking any of them the most. But with FF, if I like, say, 10, why would you assume that I would even find 16 tolerable? It might as well be from a completely different series. I think the key to FF is to find a working formula and then try to be consistent with it, making small tweaks as needed. If you want to be adventurous, make another game and call it something else. People may say this causes the formula to become stale, but I think that would only be true if these games came out way faster than once per decade.
>>741427640Anon, if you don't want to do the life sim, just play SMT. It's just Persona with 100% focus on the RPG side.
>>741428762I already did. I just don't understand why they had to run a potentially good RPG with that tedious garbage.
>>741425242Persona didn't abandon the turn based combat.
>>741428275I am aware of that but the Japanese are like actually angry. As in:>I don't care if she is Miku, this blows
It isn't. I know exactly one person who likes Persona, and he's a bigger FF need than he is a Persona one.
>>741425242Final Fantasy has become completely cringehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzzrODAoDb4but at least we got sexy cosplayers
>>741425242Who the fuck is this nigger and why I am seeing around japanese devs
>>741429550She is a limited time collab character or something right? Extremely broken time limited characters that may never rerun tend to provoke that reaction, especially if people are already starting to get dissatisfied with a game.
>>741425242FFags are boomers and quit videogames That said I don't think Persona will ever reach FF when it was at its peak, there is a reason future jrpgs keep being compared to FF and not dq or persona
>>741425242making games its fanbase likes instead of chasing a modern audience.
>>741425242covid tourists who consoomed lots of anime
>>741429867>and not DQThat's only true in the west, and largely because DQ was(and continues to be) majorly fumbled. In japan it's still THE RPG series.
>>741429965DQ11 was great though
>>741425242Persona 3 released 20 years agoFF12 released 20 years agoPersona 5 is easily comparable to 3, and 3 also had a modern remakeFF16 and FF7 Rebirth are both completely different fucking games than 12Persona 6 was announced a week ago along with updates for a remakethe two FF games announced a week ago are both remakes, one of which is for a mobile gacha
>>741429550>limited time collab>anni celebrating with a not-persona character after the half anni was the P5 jailer twinsbasically, collab fatigue. fortnite ruined everything.
>>741430028Yes, but I'm referring more to how the series was(and continues to be) handled in the west than the quality of the games.
>>741427012>If FFXVII brought back turn-based combat it would surpass every Persona game in sales and popularity.This is sadly a total misreading of the situation.Most normalfags who played E33 don't give a fuck about turn-based combat. If anything a lot of them had to be eased into it via E33's Soulslike mechanics (parrying, dodging, bonfires). The first thing you hear from a normie about it's combat is usually something along the lines of "it's not like the other turn-based games, it's actually interesting!"The fact is that even with modern FF having gone hard on the western influences in recent years they STILL believe it's "too Japanese". Something like FF7 Remake with its realistic art-style still reads as anime to them. The likes of Cloud, Tifa and Yuffie look more like they'd belong in a shonen anime than a Hollywood fantasy film, and they can sense that. If you interrogate them on why this somehow didn't apply when they were kids playing the original FF7 on PS1, some of them will admit that its because as kids they just genuinely didn't realise FF was a Japanese franchise and their mind "filled in the blanks" left by the lack of voice acting and the low-poly models by imagining it as a cinematic, American/European-style game.Ultimately FF is never going to get that audience back, whether they go turn-based or not, unless they just straight-up copy an E33-esque art style and dialogue style 1-for-1 and purge themselves of anything that might be seen as even vaguely Japanese or even vaguely reminiscent of "anime tropes" (eg. exaggerated costumes, spiky hair, overly energetic female companions, "power of friendship", killing God at the end of the game).I actually think FF trying to chase the E33 audience would be a huge mistake. They should go in the opposite direction, make a turn-based game but give it a cel-shaded anime-style aesthetic and make the story weeb as fuck. Directly appeal to the same crowd that loves Persona.
>>741430252Ah, that's fair
>>741425242People unrioncally like school settings. It's time to admit they're a necessary evil.
>>741425242Squeenix was horribly mismanaged behind the scenes throughout the 2010s while P4G became a sleeper hit and P5 a mainstream success. Atlus has so far managed to avoid a compounding trainwreck like FF had with XIII, XIV 1.0, and the Versus screwjob all at once.
>>741430419Those are not people.
>>741430337I prefer Rebirth combat, unironically. Even if ff7r was turn based is still THREE games that lasts TEN years. You are not gonna get people interested for that long.I want a new FF with this system and a new story.>Ultimately FF is never going to get that audience backThis, the audience is just too old or moved to gacha, and alpha gen rather watch tiktoks over reading massive jrpgs.
>>741425242The last good FF game was what, FFX?That was 25 years ago
>>741425242persona is literally just pokemon with headstrong weeb-friendly character writingFF has no consistency in its gameplay or even what the games deliver and you either have very dry fantasy writing or extremely retarded chuunishit writing, with almost nothing in-between
>>741430428A shame, versus 13 and a good ff13 would have been so good even Personafags would go back hiding or pretending they also like FF games
>>741430504we got multiple good FF13s, nobody cared about them and they never ported them
>>741430495i think FF's inconsistency is its strength and i enjoy that everyone has a different favorite game.They just need to be inconsistent and good again.
>>741429779>>741430079Ah fuck.
Persona has a stronger identity than Final Fantasy, nobody can even tell you what makes a FF game an FF game not even Square
>>741430602Lost Odyssey was boring as fuck and one of those games that's infinitely more namedropped than played.
>>741431010What identity? Retarded school life sim larp for virgins?
>>741425242Because persona is better. FF is dead so don't expect FFXVII to happen. Meanwhile Persona is so strong expect 10 millions sales MINIMUM
>>741425242>How did the Persona series end up getting more popular than Final Fantasy?Self-inserting and waifus. Same reason Fire Emblem made a comeback. Same reason Metaphor flopped despite otherwise being fantasy Persona. If it had waifus it wouldn't have flopped. Simple as. If Final Fantasy were smart enough to let you self-insert more it might improve sales too.
>>741430453Joker, Ann, and Ryuji are indeed people. You must be thinking of Morgana who is not in that image.
>>741431064Naw, I enjoyed the hell out of it. Shame it never got a PC port and is stuck on a dead console now.
>>741431239I'm emulating it on deck.
>>741431081That and demon summoning while Final Fantasy just has an identity crisis every entry
>>741431504That's unironically why it keeps attracting attention, people can't wait wtf is the next game be about
Persona becoming a series for cool kids instead of fatlus nerds will never stop bothering me. Everything has to be taken away and fed to boring people following the algorithm before they move away after leaving a hollowed out corpse.
>>741431598No one cares about the mainline anymore. Even the 7 demakes are just barely holding attention. 15 and 16 killed whatever little interest people still had after 13.
>>741431598It hasnt been that way in years, its a downward trend sales wise like 16 should be outperforming previous entries but its not
>>741431153So the whole industry is being held hostage by greasy, balding incels?
>>741425242Persona does not sell nearly as much as Final Fantasy.You minority atlus shills are just pests
>>741431725>>741431858Ps5 exclusivity and FF16 lack of party killed itIt doesn't mean they can't do well by just making shorter games multiplatform day one and a party system
>>741431948They're the ones actually buying games.
>>741425242It didn't.
>>741432048Sure, but they won't. There is zero chance they admit their mistakes and go back to making RPGs. The best case is they double down and by some miracle manage to actually make a good action game, but even that's unlikely. More realistically you can expect the more of the current mediocre half measures and the occasional licensed out third party game like Stranger that is alright.
>start a fatsona game>3 hours later you you still haven't seen any gameplay>wakey wakey Takeda it's another school dayActual humiliation ritual.
>>741425242Persona is too anime for meI prefer Final Fantasy
>>741425242because it remained turn BASEDget fucked final fantasy faggots
>>741431948Maybe you non-incels should go and buy some fucking games that aren't ball and guns.Otherwise, yeah, incels rule this industry.See how much money gacha makes for proof.
>>741432573funding gacha slop is just accelerating the hobby's death by the wayincels are funding terrorism
>>741431948Always has been.
>>741432531You would still cry even if it was turn based
>>741432680gacha is just serving a market that existsAAA devs refuse to cater to this market, so it's free market share for gacha to scoop up.
>>741425242Persona found a formula that works, Final Fantasy doesn't have that. An outsider can tell what Persona is about just by having one game described to them, meanwhile FF can go in any direction with each title. You might like the latter's variety but it's harder to sell the series when from the outside it's just a title and general aesthetic.I also think Persona passes the cringe gap better because it embraces the anime style. Anyone going in knows what they're getting, meanwhile FF is like a live action anime adaptation so people aren't ready.
>>741432680Gacha would have never succeeded if every game had sexy anime women in it.
>>741429724Persona is way cringier
>>741429724just the 7Remake games are cringeXIV and XVI are still serious
>>741429724JRPGs should have a little cringe.
I love the FF series, but XV is one of the worst games I've ever played.
>>741432835What market? Porn games? Those already exist and there are new titles being released constantly. What does that have to do with videogames though?>>741433159There's a shitton of those and it has never impacted the sales or popularity. The vast majority of weeb games have waifu fanservice and most of them mare virtually unknown and have barely sold. Turns out you need to actually make a good game.
>>741430453They have you outnumbered nigga.Personybros have the old feminist romance book problem where all of them demand the problematic elements are removed, are in universal agreement they should be, remove them, and suddenly no one wants to buy them. You say you don't want it, but you wouldn't buy it unless it was there.
>>741433350I still don't understand what happened there. How do you end up with a game that's all filler with no fucking story.
>>741433212Evidently not. Normies seem to adore Persona. You are a nerd on the internet bitching about a game normie WOMEN play now. There is a fucking stacy audience for Persona now. Series went mainstream after 5.
>>741433573No normies love FF. Persona is just for turbo weebs who miss high school
>>741426575Who hurt you?
>>741431153Metaphor sold five million units.
>>741433627LMAO
>>741425242Nigga's out here going >oh it's a series with good games that's why it's so popularThe persona series gameplay quality is decreasing while its art direction is increasing.It's style over substance motherfucka it's the lookism of videogames.
I love my wife (male) morgana
>>741433906p3 combat may as well be on autoplay albeithoughever
>>7414339065 had better gameplay than 4. It's the writing quality that has been declining ever since 3.
>>741425242Why do black people like person games so much?
>>741433410>understands that porn game is a market that isn't very popular>can't accept that gacha is a different market that isn't catered by AAA industry despite making way more money than the average AAA games, and only massive giants like GTA actually manage to beat it in cash makingyou're just being disingenuous now.>There's a shitton of those Name a single AAA game with hot anime chicks.>B-b-but there's a ton of non-AAA gamesSo you're saying non-AAA games don't make AAA money? Woooow
>>741425242final fantasy stopped consistently releasing new games
>>741434079It lets them pretend they aren't black. I cannot blame them, I'd be full on uncle ruckus tier denial if I was a jiggaboo.
>>741434118The games have been mediocre at best since like 10. So not only are they rare to release they aren't that good ether
>>741425242They are milking VII waaaaaaay too much. Not helping they are stretching the remake into 3 parts with 4 years gap.
>>741434118The last new Persona game will be a decade old in a few months.
Let's say I don't know these games. Sell me on either series.
>>741433523You take all the story out of the game and put it in movies, shows, and manga instead
>>741425242>switch to action style combat>claim people don't want turned based combat anymore>new games are utter failures>persona keeps making turn based combat games>becomes the preferred seriesSE corporate is full of negative IQ retards
>>741434284>Final FantasyMost epic non-edgy stories you'll find in gaming.I'm not shilling other ones.
>>7414340013r was a downgrade and 4r is looking even worse, gameplaywise
>>741434405>gameplay consists of more than just mazio all out attack spam>ermmm this sucks actually
You call this gaming.I call this schizophrenia.
>>741425242It's FF's identity crisis that's emerged after Sakaguchi left. There's no core to what FF represents as an IP now - they all play differently, fans of one HD FF will dislike the other, they're not telling interesting stories anymore - it's all superficial nostalgia-baiting (either with FFVII Remake as it's concept, or other going back to crystal nonsense), they all seem to have compromised development cycles as well (no recent HD FF, other than the 7 remakes, seem to be finished).I sum this up to mismanagement, and they don't know what younger players want anymore. When a new Persona game comes out, it's supported with tons of side material that builds it up. FF just seems too scattered.I also think the XIII era was like a black hole, and so much of the relevance it could have built in the HD era was lost.
>>741425441You've had 10 more installments to do that though. Now, compare XVI or FFVII Remake or Rebirth's sales to something like Persona 5 or P3R.
>>741434535Isn't Persona just high school weebs fighting hindu demons in their heads? And they do this every single time.Why would I play the same story over and over?
>>741425242I like some of the weekends songs. What the fuck does he know about Persona??
>>741426575> But developing titles that always associate teenagers, always having color stylized palettes, having pretty decent music and always having relatable post modern adventures by bastardizing JoJo's Bizarre Adventure theatrics has really paid off for them in the long run.This unironically
>>741425461F12 is the last one that felt somewhat like a FF and a technical masterpiece
>>741434610>Isn't Persona just high school weebs fighting hindu demons in their heads?nope.
>>741427684Said no one ever
>>741434610You could generalize FF in the same way: spiky hair brats collecting crystals and waiting their turns to attack.
>>741434610>p1High school kids get sucked into a sick girl's schizo dream world>p2High school kids(and adults) get stuck in the middle of a cockfight between two eldritch gods>p3High school kids climb a tower to prevent a god from killing everyone>p4Jojo part 4>p5High school kids hack into people's brains and mind rape them
>>741434108>waifuslop has to be funded by AAA studios or it doesn't countabsolutely delusional lmaonormies are the bulk of the market and they don't care about that shityou also play obscure coomer gachas nobody heard about while preaching this btw
>>741427771This
>>741429346Persona turn based combat sucks
>>741425242Is just way easier to get into persona games, I have no idea what FF games are even supposed to be about
>>741425441>series with 16 main games, two of which are MMOs, sold significantly moreWho would have thought?
>>741434824>>741434969The vast majority of people disagree with you lol. Turn based attracts casual and long time players equally- meanwhile, action based FFs are always recognized by players as being inferior to any actual action game franchise.
>>741425242Sega can't stop winning.
>>741435030What?>start the game and spend hours doing some esoteric high school sims bullshit with no clear direction before even getting into the actual game which is also esoteric bullshitMeanwhile a typical FF game just involves a 5 minute cutscene before you're tossed into the world to do classic JRPG shit.
>>741434881>Why would I play the same story over and over?
>>741425242Square thinks just because FF7 happened means they're at the throne forever, when in reality they've had more fumbles than hits in the last few generations and their reputation and good will had completely eroded, whereas Persona has a rock solid track record of back to back hits. The only people who actually care about Final Fantasy are millennials who grew up with 7-8-9-10.t. ps1 millennial
>>741425242>P3R 2 million sales >FFXVI 3 million sales (console exclusive sales alone) >more popular FATlus fags are delusional
>>741435458That eases you into the world and setting better. XIII and XV had awful starts - I don't know how XVI starts though desu.
>>741435632Its weird that they wouldn't try and continue to build the momentum of those 4 games. They each actually tried building unique worlds and stories you couldn't find elsewhere. Modern FF seems so regurgitated by comparison,.but with all over the place gameplay.I personally think that FFVII Rebirth finally nailed the action combat that could work for new FF games, but even then - all that could have been relegated to a side franchise. Action combat is the whole reason Mana and KH exist.
>>741435659I'm an adult. I cannot play highschool characters.Only weebtrash do that.
>>741435632And a lot of people forget it's been like 25 fucking years since 10 came out. And they've made only mediocre to bad games since.
>>741435768While I can empathize, that's not changing how the vast majority of newer players get into Persona for precisely that reason. FF is dying because they don't have teenagers or preteens interested in the franchise anymore. Persona catered to that audience in spades and it's paying off.
>>741428190It's nothing special anymore, Miku is now probably the most whored out collab character, she is in fucking mtg ffs.
>>741435765Because nobody cares about non final fantasy games
>>741435394Why does the Sega attract the super weird and austistics?
>>741435825>it's been like 25 fucking years since 10 came outDon't exaggerate Ano-
>>741435659It doesn't ease you into anything, it makes you quit due to boredom because instead of a JRPG you're playing some weeb dating sim.>FFXIII and upWell no wonder, the series died after FFXII or even earlier.
>>741425242that Joker announcement for smash bros ultimate in the game awards was a before and after for all the persona fans
>>741425242I wonder how many "fans" both of these series would have once you excise the ones that have never turned on a single one of the games and just post gay fanfiction on twitter after watching youtube videos.
>>741435860Plenty of people did though, Square just fumbled the ball and didn't cater or build those franchises properly. Look at the wasted potential of Chrono Trigger, or Xenogears.. even KH (being in handheld hell rather than making 3 promptly after 2).All those could have become pillars in the Square catalog, but instead they chose to put all their eggs in 1 basket. This is the result. That basket became scattered and schizophrenic, rather than dispersing their new ideas across other IPs to build. All because their first entries didn't sell as well as they wanted lol.>>741435926I can understand that, but the thing is - lots of people disagree lol. Casual players often like that slow burn start because it adds to their immersion. However since we've played more codya than them, yes I agree that it feels like a waste of time. I also agree with your point on XII up.
>>741436208More like people didn't care anon. They didn't shill LO, xenoblade games should also sell more
>>741436208>Casual players often like that slow burn start because it adds to their immersionMaybe if the persona games had actual settings worth this slow burn. In reality all of them feature the exact same modern Japan high school bullshit with some edgelord mystery on the side.
Square-Enix I think has spent too much time chasing after the wrong kind of Western player, the sort of player who plays movie games and more casual stuff, many of whom just immediately rule out the name Final Fantasy when they hear it without even giving it a chance, and have overlooked or ignored the kind of Western fan they can get: that is fans of anime and manga who are these days a substantial body of potential players. That also hurt them with other Asian players, who tend to like the same kind of games as the weebs. But I think even if you pressed Square-Enix on this, they would never make a "Final Fantasy Persona" game because it is just fundamentally not a game or game style they want to make or imitate. So if you want to try to predict where they might go with FF17, E33 is probably a better bet.
>>741434590>FF7 Remake - 8.7 million>Persona 5 - 3.2 million???
>>741436380Does that include Royale, and all the multi console releases?
>>741436442I've compared FF7R to P5 like you asked.
why is this n-word hanging out with the great japanese devs?
>>741436502If you're using the depreciated version of P5 that was locked to PS4/PS3 then you're doing a misleading comparison. Anyone with brains knows its Royale on all of its platforms that matter, alongside FFVII Remake or Rebirth on their current consoles
>>741436525Trying to appeal to the weeb demographic so he seems nerdy enough even though he plows 10/10s on the daily
>>741436525games became cool after covid
Maybe the two franchises are just too different it's not comparable.I'm not a turnbased fag but if I were, I won't touch animegrease with my hands.
>>741434894You are comparing sales between non-AAA games with AAA games. Considering their budget, waifuslop does sell quite well.>they don't care about that shitNormies aren't the ones buying literal millions if not billions of dollars in waifu.jpg
>>741435768bro how old do you think cloud is
>>741437024Cloud wasn't doing his homework and trying to get his dick wet for the majority of the game, he was going on a world-saving fantasy adventure with his bros.
>>741436502Retard
>>741437095He's a teenager bro worrying about his two (4 but 2 died lol) other teenage love interests. You aged out of final fantasy too.
>>741425242You can't date the girls in FF. It's that simple.
>>741437148My point still stands. There are beloved games where you play as a literal fucking kid too. It's not about the age but the setting and what actually happens.
1. Hot teens.2. Improving on their formula, as opposed to Squeenix who don't have any faith in the formula that made their franchise big to begin with.simple as
>>741425242by releasing zero new games in 15 years btw
>>741425407Persona 5 broke Persona out of the "you have to been an autistic weeb loser to play this" funk that 3 and 4 had. Which is why Persona 6 catering to new fans as well as being day 1 on Game Pass are major red flags.
>>741437423I feel like a weeb loser just looking at the screenshots.Not posting them here obv
>>741436664>If you're using the depreciated version of P5 that was locked to PS4/PS3 then you're doing a misleading comparison.That was your idea:>>741434590>Now, compare XVI or FFVII Remake or Rebirth's sales to something like Persona 5 or P3R.We can do P3R too.>FFXVI - 3 million>FF7 Remake - 8.7 million>FF7 Rebirth - unknown>P3R - 2 million>Anyone with brains knows its Royale on all of its platforms that matter, alongside FFVII Remake or Rebirth on their current consolesFirst of all, it's Royal.Second, P5R went multiplatform 4 years ago, while FF7 Remake only did half a year ago and Rebirth only just recently. 8.7 million for Remake is from 2025, so it doesn't count Switch and Xbox.Now, THAT'S a misleading comparison.
It’s actually kind of sad to see that absolutely no one in their twenties or younger gives a shit about Final FantasyBut bjectively speaking, their games over the last two decades have been absolute dogshit, so that would probably be the natural consequence.
>>741425242Persona struck gold with P3 and kept the core gameplay consistent in the following games.This approach helped them build a loyal fanbase, and with a bit of luck, P5 launched the series into the forefront of the JRPG genre.Meanwhile, Final Fantasy had a similarly strong run from 1 to 10, with 7 as the major breakthrough. However, they went completely off the rails after X-2.By constantly changing the core gameplay, each new entry felt like it was competing with the previous one. Right when they were at their lowest point, the Western media mafia hit them with a smear campaign, and SE never fully recovered.
>>741437380I just played through the first FF for the first time. This formula still works they have just fucked with it too much trying to "fix" it. Final Fantasy I has some major issues but the actual concepts the game is designed around are rock solid. Squeenix seems to be under the false impression that the fundamental concepts are what's wrong rather than what's built on those concepts.
>>741437497The entire internet used to make fun of Personafags (and Disgaeafags). The Fatlus memes were everywhere, if you told someone you played Persona they'd think you're an actual loser. Now Persona is for normalfags.
>>741437524It's the star wars curse. These unc IPs are so old that zoomers don't want and even millennials feel it's so cringe and outdated even if you give it a fresh coat of paint.
>>741437524I would love, so much, to see Squeenix dare to gamble and do a new, traditional FF with a large budget. No Nomura designs. Either get Amano or do something simple and medieval-ish looking, adventure, four niggas in a row, crystals and a bad guy. Story told through gameplay, small amount of cinematics. Would it fail or succeed? No idea, but it would sure as shit be interesting.
>>741437597>smear campaignWhat was it. I don't remember FF being brought up much at all
>>741425242Square Enix lost sight of what made Final Fantasy so great. Atlus found what works and abandoned everything for that one thing.
>>741437643Indeed.Have a friend who never played FF when he was young. Hated turn-based games. Now that he's 30+ he's played through several of the pixel remasters and loved them.Would love to see if young people would react the same way.
>>741425336>persona>goodplease play more games
>>741431064I think we played a different game then.
>>741437652literal incel simulators lmao
>>741437653It has more to do with the immaturity of the medium. When the average gamer normiecattle thinks of FF they get an image of a 100+ hour game with FFI style turn based attacks and a cringey story for retards. It doesn't matter if any of that is true or not because that's the normie perception of FF in the modern day. FF feels inaccessible to normies. I think Persona feels more accessible because of the social sim elements and because P5 was the average Norman's first exposure whatsoever to the series. A large number of Persona "fans" also have never even played any Persona games and just obsess over the characters online like faggots.
>>741437784Keep crying, Dagesh.
>>741437643As an old fan having them reinvent the battle system every installment is a feature, not a bug. It's what makes these games afresh and be original.
>>741437515Nah, you're trying to weasel your way out of a comparison. That's why you tried to not include Royale based on some gay vernacular, when colloquially it's what everyone means when they say Persona 5 these days, as it's the only version in circulation. If you're gonna be gay like that, I guess we could only include vanilla FFVII Remake and none of the integrated versions (which would be retarded to do). What matters is currently sales across all versions. P3R selling 2 mill and XVI selling 3 make sense though, given they're controversial entries of both franchise.
>>741437652I miss being called a fat loser for liking persona. It made things comfy and everything was so much more simple. Even the "waifu" threads of today have degenerated. All of the soulful youngmen that used to dominate the space have scattered or have been drowned out by the repugnant masses.
>>741438020>IntergradeFixed
>>741438000NTA but "reinvent" is fine; the problem is when they feel the need to fix what isn't broken and completely change it into something else.
>>741425242They didn't let a fucking autist with "REALISM" fetish change the entire thing completely, into something that no one cares about.
>>741431673I remember way back around the early 2010s in /v/ cytube threads where people here would share video game music (I think it was cytube, probably a different similar site back then), any time someone would share a Persona track they'd get laughed out of the room. Those same faggots today are probably P5 fans, that's how much the audience has shifted to normalfaggotry. No one here is even old enough to remember the fatlus meme.
>>741425461(๑•́ ω •̀๑) i liked 13....
>>741437710https://youtu.be/yKUGwlFJAHw?si=KhEPRG3VIjlqVqriFunnily enough, we never realized how much this comment butthurt the SE devs until recently, when the FF16 team begged people not to call their game a JRPG.
>>741425461What you say about XIV is especially sad/funny since it, at least early in it's life, looked pretty traditionally FF: It looked very much like a combination of FFIV and VI.It's been Squeenix's cash cow for years now, and they still refuse to see that maybe GOING BACK is the way for FF if they want to be successful.
>>741438076It happened to anime in general too. All the nerdiest spaces have been co-opted by normalfags and the old culture has been mostly eroded. Nearly everything that was for losers years ago has been ruined by normalfags and companies trying to cater to them to mass appeal.The only time I get a whiff of soul these days is when I play on some old MMO private server filled with 30+ year olds.
>>741437769They would have to get over their crippling lack of problem-solving skills.
>>741438203If the 2010s is your basis, then you're probably too young to know 3 and 4 were loved on /v/ despite the fatlus memes. I remember when we actually had good, thriving discussions about each girl.
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>>741427771Cringey anime weeb shit is such an aggressively overhyped criticism. There are significantly worse problems in today's gaming industry such as Marvel writing or LotR clones.Dealing with the occasional trope in Persona is so much better than dealing with the constant millennial writing vomit that plagues western media. I would even daresay it's objectively better.
>>741438348They feared western journos since they used to reviewbomb jrpgs
>>741438171Turnbased is a relic, it has to be gone.When I learned about FF when a was a teenager is that this is the major vidya series where they keep aiming bigger and be realistic movies so to speak. Turnbased was the abstraction they chose because of its ease of implementation and hardware limitation, but they didn't want to be beholden into that. ATB adds time reflexes. FF7 camera moves in battles. 13's character animations don't stay in their spot waiting for the input. Sakaguchi made a movie. They were really ambitious and they want to keep pushing higher. Even if they fail in some aspects it's hard for me not to appreciate it, but the push for realism was there, regardless of /v/ talk whether realism is good or not.
>>741438560Well, it will be gone when it stops mogging ARPGs in sales (never).
>>741438000I'm, not talking about the battle system. I am talking about the turn-based concept and structure of the game. The system they built from that concept in FF1 is broken and boring. Reinventing it is fine. Fundamentally changing it into a different concept entirely is where it goes too far. I am still playing through the series so my thoughts might change as I play more of the games, but right now I see the newer games as learning the wrong lessons and doing too much to fundamentally alter the foundational systems.
>>741438560Humans have enjoyed taking turns for thousands of years. It's not going away any time soon.
>>741438470Those "people" genuine believe that their two button parry and rollslop is the pinnacle of gaming and the preferred combat system of intellectuals. Meanwhile all those games play exactly the same and have the depth of a desert.>>741438560One such troglodyte right here.
>>741438560>Turnbased is a relic, it has to be gone.Yet here we are, in a thread discussing why Persona (turn-based) became a much larger franchise than FF (that shied away from turn-based). Then we have BG3, E33 and other recent, enormous successes. Turn-based isn't going anywhere, just like modern Final Fantasy sales. Maybe it is indeed time to go back.
>>741438560So, what you're saying is that it's actually contempt for the medium that has caused Final Fantasy to lose its soul? Stop comparing video games to movies. They are different mediums. The more games try to be like movies the worse the games become.
>>741431064>xbox 360 exclusivei wonder why, people are only recently playing it because of xenia
>>741430602>Xbox moneyhats a bunch of exclusive JRPGs to increase sales in Japan>The only people that give a shit are western weebsIf Xbox had never shot themselves in the face with Kinect and kept doubling down on this strategy, Xbox might have ended up being THE JRPG machine today instead of a dead platform.
>>741438798You just saw the word "movies" and immediately gets triggered.FF is not becoming movies. Realism does not mean abandoning gameplay. All combat systems are just abstractions, but action feels more immersive and fluid to get into.
Biggest reason is the failure of PS3.PS3 flopped on release meanwhile Persona 3 released early next year as one of many of Atlus's niche late PS2 JRPG localizations. MGS4 and FF13 were pipe dreams at this point and not worth the $599 console price. In 2008 E3 infamously had Square Enix announce FF13 as multiplatform, and that same year DMC4 was also on Xbox 360 so it was literally MGS4 doing the heavy lifting. Meanwhile the fanbase that overlaps with all three games were either still on PS2 or enticed to go to the Xbox 360 (along with all those JRPGs LO, Blue Dragon). This is where Persona 4 comes in as another later PS2 JRPG at a time were Atlus was in danger of dying.Then two years later FF13 comes out as a linear hallway simulator. Meanwhile Persona 4 built a strong cult following and Persona 3 Portable drew in more fans.
>>741438220Me too, anon! 13’s one of my favorite.On topic, it’s a little sad seeing Final Fantasy fans this upset over their series no longer being popular. Time moves on, and people just don’t care as much. It happens.
>>741438528Weebshit uguu kawaii I'm your waifu writing is in no capacity better than the the Western capeshit.
>>741439195When you change the series completely until it's completely unrecognizable, people that liked the original thing tend to not like the new one.
>>741439195It's easy to rebound, even so for popular franchises.
>>741439262It is when there's a good gameplay there.And beating bamham shit is extremely easy.
>>741438794NTA but E33 was successful because it wasn't fully turn based, you have to actively dodge/parry. The answer to why Persona is more successful is that P5 was super stylish and the life sim elements are very rare in games that casuals play so it feels fresh to casuals that don't play autistic sim games.It's really the style and music doing a ton of heavy lifting though, the same thing happened to Nier Automata and that's an action RPG.
>>741439105No, you just fundamentally are wrong and don't even like video games. Your whole argument is based around trying to remove the fact that you're playing a video game via cinematic action combat and realistic graphics. But none of those things are actually what makes Final Fantasy special. Those are all things you value over what makes Final Fantasy special because you resent the "game" part of "video game". Reality also totally contradicts you. Persona is more popular than Final Fantasy and never moved away from turn-based. Expedition 33 is turn-based and just swept awards. Final Fantasy hasn't been shit for a very long time.
>>741439098JRPGs don't even break 1,000 copies on Xbox most of the time. There's no way that's enough to cover the cost of porting. As for hardware, when Banjo was announced for Smash, "What is Xbox?" started trending on Nip Teitter.
>>741439359>these turn based games don't actually count becauseStop moving the goalposts. The problem isn't the turn-based concept at all.
>>741439496>But none of those things are actually what makes Final Fantasy specialwhat makes Final Fantasy special?
>>741439542Are you a fucking retard? Do you not understand what a hypothetical is?
>>741439359>but E33 was successful because it wasn't fully turn basedIndeed, just how FFVI and other's weren't "fully turnbased". If you follow the strings of replies from that post you'll see that the point was that FF moved too far away from their turn-based roots (FFXV, XVI), not that they played around with it (ATB etc)
>>741439359nigger you didn't even pay e33the parryshit is the worst part of the game since it's both obnoxious as it revolves around memorizing the encounters and also makes character and group building irrelevant
Because Sakaguchi left and everyone who was left behind didn't understand the appeal of the franchise, convincing themselves that all of the things that made the series beloved were actually somehow holding it back.They changed the series into something it never should have been thus losing their original audience and failing to capture a new one. They freaked out because IX didn't sell as well as VIII with like half the budget and the PS2 a few months away, and now XVI is selling like a half of what the "underperforming" IX did with 10 times the budget and audience.
Turn based is good because it facilitates party-based gameplay, though it doesn't strictly have to be present for this. It is the easiest and simplest way to approach it though. Party-based gameplay, for multiple reasons, is appealing to fans of RPGs. If Square-Enix really wants to abandon parties, they can get away from turn-based too. I would suggest in that case they go open world and make the MC silent and customizable though to help with role playing. Otherwise you are veering too closely to movieslop.
>>741439589But using this logic then smtv should sell better than Persona since it has better turn based
>>741438560>>741438794Kek such an obvious samefagging
There hasn't been a good FF for almost as long as I've been alive. I think XI was good and XII was just okay and I'm 25
>>741439597The strategy that comes from the turn-based system. The party-based system for multiple reasons. The sense of exploration in a fantastical world that is felt via gameplay rather than told to you explicitly via dialogue and cutscenes.
>>741430337>and purge themselves of anything that might be seen as even vaguely Japanese or even vaguely reminiscent of "anime tropes" (eg. exaggerated costumes, spiky hair, overly energetic female companions, "power of friendship", killing God at the end of the game).E33 literally has all of this, you did not play the fucking game. E33 was the most disappointing shit to me because it being french didn't mean that they wouldn't do anime tropes as I was convinced was the reason people liked it so much
E33 sold because of the realistic graphics and not being weebP5 came like 10 years ago, we don't know if the trick will work again. I can see it selling well don't get me wrong, but new gen prefer gacha and can't stand reading too much
>>741440240E33 is basically a love letter to the JRPG genre. Which is why so many people love it. Because they love JRPGs.
>>741440362They love final fantasy, e33 is the closest to a modern FF
>>741425407>There is no way it is true.Of course it isn't. Final Fantasy VII Revelation will easily outsell persona, as always.
>>741439824best part of the game, just like in paper mario and even ff8. it is SUPER easy to react to the parries in e33 because the window is super generous. unironically get good, you're getting filtered by action games.
>>741440240starting to think a lot of people haven't played enough jrpgs so they believe that anything that isn't on the level of cherrypicked tri-ace and xc2 anime moments is fine
>>7414252421) turned based combat2) it feels like someone who makes persona games actually has something to say or express while final fantasy games just have a machine churning them out but no one is particularly concerned with them(it seems like persona will start going this direction as well though)
>>741425320Are you conflating SMT with Persona or something?
>>741425242It's white.
>>741440797>Cuck cart>People are somehow surprised it sold like shitWhy does this happen every time?
>>741425242Final Fantasy X was released in 2001, 2001!, and after that, the next game was a fucking paid MMO, followed by an offline MMO, and then a giant hiatus to release the piece of shit called FF XIII, and after that FF XIII-2 and 13-3, another MMO, and a failed spin-off turned into FFXV, practically leaving the franchise to die for two generations of people.Meanwhile, Atlus took the shittier spin-off of Shin Megami Tensei, which was already brain-dead easy (almost visual novel tier), and added more visual novel anime elements like virtual friends and harem romance, filling the gap left by Square Enix.Now add the fact that everyone now watches anime while Square Enix tries to be more Californian, and you have your answer.
>>741427640Shin Megami Tensei is like that but without story, just gameplay, at least after SMT 3 the franchise started to be hard
>>741442069i died like 3 times in the first dungeon of IV because i kept losing the chat minigame with demons
>>741431948Yes, why do you think Bioware got popular in first place?
>>741428190Basically:>Ange, one of the Navigators who has been received and parrated by the developers themselves when introducing her to Global as picrel. This is not an edit, literally how she was advertised when the discussion of global buffs came up. Immensively helpful because she grants one party member during battle once an extra turn (While looping the state of the turn), is received as an character with good writing in the game. This was in April.>June 25th is the global anniversary of the game. Wada decided that it would be a good time to start the collab angle to a gacha into the "Personaverse" by introducing Hatsune Miku as the first collab Idol.>Hatsune Miku granted the whole party an once-per-battle extra set of actions, twice.>Japanese players feel extremely invalidated by the horrible timing of this collab because they universally agree that a Persona anniversary is mainly about Persona games and because they feel misled by the tone-deaf response that Wada gave for pushing Miku earlier than any other character that was requested from the Persona games.>The offical announcement post on the Hatsune Miku Xitter account about it got locked with the most liked comment out of 3 being: "You should read the room">Japanese stream about her has more dislikes than likes despite being a Miku special, the average comment hates Global for this horrible timing.>Whales announced their retirement from it alongside a few artists>Top players from there also stopped playing>Every single post onward that doesn't include the amazon raffle is littered and filled with people who have reached their limit and having their problems with the game beyond the collab being ignored, having reached their limitsLong story short: They fucked up, Nipland is mad.
>>741425631my non-jrpg friends played persona 5. so more NPCs got into it.
>>741438076>>741438425you misunderstand the reason, it's the invasion of indians and assort third worlders that caused the degradation of the internet
>>741426575cant really blame em. if it aint broke...
>>741430485FFX was shit. hahahahahahahahaha
>>741438794>Persona>larger franchise than FFlollmao even
>>741430495SMT/Perona did the monster catching first, Nintendo just likes to act they did it first.
>>741425242Made games their existing fanbase wanted to play instead of trying to reinvent themselves to chase trends with every entry and having to attempt to create a new fanbase with every installment.
>>741430652I think you're a fucking retard if you think the inconsistency of games released after 10 is anywhere comparable to the minute system differences between the ATB games
>>741438020No, you are the one who said "Compare FF7 Remake to Persona 5", so I did. Just admit you are a dumbass and haven't thought shit through.And again, it's "Royal", not "Royale". At least learn the name of the game you are getting your panties twisted about.>I guess we could only include vanilla FFVII Remake and none of the integrated versions (which would be retarded to do). >FF7 Remake - 5 million>Persona 5 - 3.2 millionOk.>What matters is currently sales across all versions.You wish, because that's the only way you can cover your ears and pretend Persona is more popular, when the reason behind FF's lower sales is BarrierStation exclusivity.>P3R selling 2 mill and XVI selling 3 make sense though, given they're controversial entries of both franchise.So FFXVI sold better? I'm confused... Isn't Persona supposed to be "more popular"?Metaphor also only crawled to 2 million and died. P4R will probably stop there too as it's looking even cheaper than P3R. Seems like Atlus' games aren't selling.So your only claim to fame is a 10 years old game that got whored out to hell and back?
>>741444082it's not about who did it first, most people alive today had their first jrpg experience with a Pokemon game and Persona delivers the parts of that that appeal to autistics in an appealing but different way
>>741444382Nta but again, jrpgfags are way older now and gacha is more popular now. Atlus probably wants their games to sell more because seiyuus and long development still cost a lot of money
>>741440449This.
>>741444457probably because Pokemon also had a cartoon so it was more well known. The slice of life shit in Persona is low levels of slop and goes through all the predictable hoops in high school shows not exactly a hard sell.
>>741425242nah. pretty much dead even nowadays. FF just slightly edges over Persona.
>>741425631>persona 5 didP5 sold less than FFXV
>>741440835confirmed for not playing the game or playing on a low difficulty which triples the parry and dodge windows lmao, many fights require you to memorize irregular parry timings for 10+ hit chains with pace breaking delays and other gay shitalso you didn't address how this kind of combat just invalidates the team building outside of "stack more damage"
>>741434143As an uncle ruckus I fully agree.
>>741442213Some demons are just cunts, specially at lower levels where they consider you more trash than them
>>741425242By final fantasy being worse
>>741425242FF13 unironically killed FF dead. Persona has been consistently good even if NuFans never played P1-2:IS/EP.
>>741425407Anon, I hate to break it to you but: Persona being weeb isn't a Normie filter. Hasn't been since P4 and GiantBomb.
>FF7 remake part 3 cant even break 1 million viewsholy fucking shit
>>741433906This
>>741425242final fantasy hasn't had a good mainline entry since the ps2.
>>741445865there's literal audio cues you fucking dweeb
>>741425483makes me laugh that the tranny game features sexualized children, but the audience is full of >SHE WAS ONLY 24 YOU SICK FUCKretards.
>>741425483no need to tell on yourself
>>741443316Thought it's bullshit but man, that sucks I guess.
>>741448167>persona hasn't had a good mainline entry since the ps2.ftfy
>>741425242FF brand fumbled throughout 2010s (aside from 14) while persona got launched into orbit due to P5. all of our current culture is continual holdover from the 2010s
>>741425242Final Fantasy is now just MMO slop while Persona is still a single player JRPG that hasn't deviated too much from what made the series popular.
>>741425242Rich person gets special privileges just because he's rich, this faggot didn't even know about Persona till this year.
>>741450061He might even be making music for the game at that point and just kind of doing promo
>>741425242eww
>>741425242Back in the day we got a new FF almost every year. Then they shoved FF11, a MMORPG, into the mainline, in 2002 In Europe barely anyone had DVD, internet for subs? So most people got screwed out of a numbered entry.Instead of a real follow-up, they dropped X-2. I remember skipping it because making Yuna an idol felt cash grabby. Apparently Japan ate it up.Anyway, FF12 finally hits. Gorgeous. But overhaul change in combat gameplay; the gambit system let you beat the final boss while AFK. You could literally walk away from the screen. It was divisive and sold like ass.Three years later we get FF13. Overhaul change in combat gameplay again. Paradigm Shift, hallway railroad simulator; people somehow felt Lightning was a bad main. And they stretched it into three games.A year after that? FF14, another MMO. Launched broken, they had to nuke it spectacularly and rebuild from scratch. Took a decade to painfully recover popularity, then they went a bit woke and burned goodwill. Ironically, FF14 is partly why 16 flopped.Seven years wait for FF15. Massively hyped as the audience of Kingdom Hearts was expecting to get Versus 13; instead we got a road trip sausage fest with Prompto and another total gameplay overhaul pivot.Then eight years for FF 16. Lore's actually pretty kino and gritty, but another overhaul with combat's Devil May Cry style, with HP sponge bosses. Plot is ass and script is worse. It's infected with that FF14 delivery, which consists of long ass talking and exposition cutscenes. Imagine you have this scene that should feel climactic where this character is dying in the arms of the protagonist, gurgling blood, and 3 minutes pass, and he is still alive, gurgling and lore-dumping at you. Only Clive and Cid bantz salvage the game.TLDR: If you have a series, you expect a certain continuation over time; with Final Fantasy, basically, midway through the series they started making whatever games and call it Final Fantasy
>>741450635Aren't most jrpg dev cycle slower these days? We literally waited 10 years for p6
>>741450879we waited like 9 for 5
>>741425242Everyone loves some good 4 niggas in a row type game and square just said fuck to that and started doing 1 nigga doing real time action.
>>741425242What’s with this clown that makes threads about square enix and final fantasy all day, there’s like 8 threads in the catalogue at any given moment How can you even justify this threads existence, it’s like asking how fortnite is more popular than goldeneye. Nigga what fucking rock have you been living under for multiple decades, final fantasy has been a boomer IP for years
>>741450879between 4 and 5 there were a ton of persona spin-offs coming out, that era lasted less than the wait we have been ongoing from 5 to 6
>>741450635>Massively hyped as the audience of Kingdom Hearts was expecting to get Versus 13what does kingdom hearts have to do with FFXV? I vaguely recall some sentiment like this but I don't remember or understand it
>>741425242FF made a literal generational fumble back in the 360/ps3 era when they wasted an entire console generation on a character who is now synonymous with "character nobody likes but the company is forcing anyways"
>>741451217are you dense 5-6 has had just as many spin offs>p3 dance>p5 dance>tactica>strikers>phantom x>Q2and its only a year longer than the wait for 5
>>741451290Tetsuya Nomura, the guy behind Kingdom Hearts, was originally directing Versus XIII back in 2006. He dropped trailers into some of the games. It was supposed dark, edgy action-RPG sibling to FF13.Basically looked like Kingdom Hearts hit puberty and got depression. Noctis had a different design, looked more anime, spiky hair, cooler coats, zippers, and the melodrama. The combat was real-time, flashy, similar to KH.Nomura kept the game in development hell, suffering from scope creep for years. Square eventually pulled Nomura off it, handed the project to another dude, and rebranded it as FF15 around 2013.KH fans and FF fans had been hyped for Versus XIII for years off a handful of edgy cinematic trailers. People wanted Noctis teleporting around impaling guys in a suit.Instead, FF15 dropped as a bro-road-trip simulator with an open world that fell apart half game. You got four dudes pushing a car while Stand By Me plays; the KH DNA got stripped out or diluted.FF15 inherited this enormous hype from both Kingdom Hearts stans and FF fans because of Versus XIII, and when FF15 looked too different, the popularity basically backfired, and they got the never buy your shit again effect.
>>741451217Bro do you realize that square Enix also released tons of shit between FF games.
>yeah bro let me show up and play the first hour of a jrpg, this is so sick!
>>741450995People were actually young back then
Sqeenix veterans got embroiled in a bunch of retarded shit projects that were also kinda in devhells, although there was the one LightningCHAD game director who was pumping games but they were ALL about his waifu Lightning and it you didn't like Lightning then you can eat shit okay? LIGHTNING IS MAI WAIFU!
>>741425242>How did a series that stayed true to its roots end up getting more popular than one that pissed and shitted on everything that made it popular and has completely lost any definite identity?Gee it's a mistery
