The demo is out, what do you think of this iteration of Jonathan Blow's genius?Here are my first impressions from playing for an hour:> the graphics are great but HOW THE FUCK DOES IT LAG SO FUCKING MUCH? DOOM 2016 RAN ON ULTRA PERFECT SETTINGS WITH 0 LAG.HOW THE FUCK DO THESE ASSHOLES MANAGE TO MAKE SOME ISOMETRIC BULLSHIT WITH 0 ACTION THIS FUCKING UNOPTIMIZED?> a lot of the thoughts characters have are incomprehensible and it required to much energy to try to figure out wtf is that supposed to fucking mean> puzzles are brilliant as always> seems like there's a ton of them in this demo, so the whole game must be insanely huge> pandering to retards by giving the option of not listening to AI speech is pathetic. AI haters are dumbfucks and shouldn't be EVER pandered to
>>741432492How can it lag if he's one of top programmers in the world and built the engine himself?
>>741432756I assume there are other people on the team and some of them done fucked up
>>741432756>if he's one of top programmers in the worldI love how seething incels literally make up supposed brags by the person they are autistically obsessed about to then make fun of it lmaoThey do it with James Rolfe on /tv/
>>741432492Never heard of it
>>741432492This game runs like a dream on my machine. Are you playing on an old 2010s Thinkpad or something?
>>741432883>heh I'm so hecking ALOOF I haven't even heard of this puzzle game everybody's been talking about from this guy who already made 2 masterpiece puzzles
New demo content in 35 minutes btw.
>>741433061Gaming laptop actually, HP if you must know
>>741433061>are you running it on a POTATO??? keklmao XDNo, I'm running a train on your mom you juvenile prick.
>>741433214>based Blow releases MORE free content on top of already huge demoWill you be able to preserve progress when you buy it? does the demo start at the beginning even?
>>741433061>Are you playing on an old 2010s Thinkpad or something?2000's gaming forums called, they want their shitty joke backPrick.
>>741432492I put the game on performance mode and didn't see a difference in graphics but it run much smoother.What I have a problem with is the keyboard controls, they suck so much holy shit. Pacman in the fucking 80s controlled better than this shit.And overall the game made me appreciate the silence in the Witness a lot more, holy shit are the dialogs are annoying.
>>741432865You dumb fuck, he keeps commenting on how everyone does programming wrong yet cant do it himself apparently.
Looks like I made the schizo mad.
>>741433409Played on gamepad and definitely felt clunky but I don't know how much of it is lag and how much the animations. I mean I did have 300+ tabs open tbhd but none of them are video
>>741433469But he's not the only person programming it surely. Besides witness ran fine and it was 1000000x more beautiful
Am I the only one who hates gigantic levels in puzzles? shit's fucking exhausting and feels cheap. >ok I need 100000000 moves so it's le hard because it's artificially complex
>>741432492>RTX5090 runs at 600W just to render the jai machinecodedivine intellect
>>741432492My laptop can't run this sokoban game, so I don't know.
>>741434004>not using hax to lower graphics settings
>>741432492when did they stop giving you ACTUAL OPTIONS IN VIDEO SETTINGS and instead just have> LE PERFORMANCE> LE QUALITY> LE """""""""""BALANCE"""""""""""""""Whaatever the fuck that means
>>741433214they advertised ~110 puzzles in the demo and the first part had about 75, right?
>>741435038that's still a lot. I expected 5-7 max
Keep this thread alive imma watch some ufc n shit
oh shit the new content just dropped
>>741435807is it good?
>>741435871I don't know yet, it's been out for 10 minutes
we must be better!!!
>>741435948>he doesn't instantly boot it to be the cool anon who shares insights about new levels first
Already found a bug, why doesnt the stone reflect?
plant slop>>741436565they never did, crystals do
Jesus Christ Blow
>>741437017wtf? It should be personhandled, why are you assuming genders here?
>>741434638How?
where are the new levels unlocking? can't find them
>>741437194north of the north area, and north of the east area
>>741436565kek'd at filename
How is this going to work if progress carries into the full game?
>go to North and East first, they are easier>>go there>>it's fucking impossible???
>>741437598you can do it anon, just try a little harder
>>741437685thats what she said
>Amazing game comes out> only 1 thread in catalog
> dialog 3/10> graphix 8/10> optimization 0/10> puzzles 11/10
whats wrong with water?
the new linking mirror puzzles are more fun than the ones from previous batch
can't believe Jon Blow stole from Witch Hat Atelier for Druid's storyline
>>741432492>HOW THE FUCK DOES IT LAG SO FUCKING MUCH?Because UE 5 fucking sucks
>>741439891not UE5 and works on my machine
>>741440245If he had used UE 5 like a normal dev instead of trying to be a snowflake and code his own then it would run fine
>>741440337I'm sure the devs will enable poorfag optimizations on the release build.
>>741433967trtr mixing up cthulu and azathoth pissed me off
I want to play but I don't want to experience the game for the first time with voice acting missing. I didn't do the promise either.
what are the collectible crests for in the overworld? they show area name when picked up
>>741437017So this is the full power of the JaiEngine™...
>>741441339JaiEngine? More like ChudEngine
I've never played Blow's games but I'm a huge Zachtronics fan (especially Opus Magnum's added world building) would I enjoy this?
I guess I must have sub 30 iq because I've been stuck on this beginner puzzle for half an hour after breezing through the others. You need to move at least 1 goblin south as well as west, which requires 2 stones, I'm assuming first you move the eastmost goblin to its marked tile, and then you push the north goblin in between the other 2 goblins causing them to all kill each other but no matter how I do it, I can't get 1 stone back up after moving the first goblin to then move the other one down. i guess i need to play low iq games instead and stop trying to get into things requiring logical reasoning. even if I were to solve this now it would just be through trial and error, defeating the point.
>>741441524Zachtronics games are more about designing a thing to fulfill requirements. This is more about finding the solution to a (usually simple) problem that might seem impossible at first.
>>741441696nvm I'm fucking retarded for not seeing the solution earlier holy fuck
>>741441696>>741441958That one has a way of making you try something overcomplicated even though the solution is the most braindead obvious moves. A few people (myself included) seem to have been stumped by it for a while.
>>741432492Didn't he straight up plagiarize some other random indieshit sokoban?
why does this game run at 48fps while taking up 8.1gb of my 11gb vram (1080ti)I thought blow was supposed to be good at optimization. this runs worse than dragon's dogma 2
>new puzzle level>realize the basic idea of solution instantly>fumble for 10 minutes fucking up the exact execution>spend 40 min trying other shit that doesn't work>finally realize the actual way to do it (what I guessed instantly but slightly differently done which I hadnt tried)EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>741441696consider that there are two patterns of killing 3 at once, either pushing goblin inbetween a line or into an L shape
>>741432492>HOW THE FUCK DO THESE ASSHOLES MANAGE TO MAKE SOME ISOMETRIC BULLSHIT WITH 0 ACTION THIS FUCKING UNOPTIMIZED?>It was developed using Jai, a programming language developed in-house by Blow and his studio.
Is the new total 105? Can't seem to find anything else.
>>741437575I think it was just nudging you down a more advanced area, the cross between Heroes and Mirror, rather than making you "skip" content.
>>741442307All the performance is taken by GPU.You can't program the GPU with Jai.
>>741442342You're the only one who's gotten that far smart ass
>>741442482What do you think controls the GPU?
Boring af game tbqh. The new demo content convinced me not buy it. Just look at >>741436957 It's immediately obvious how to solve it, but you're forced to go through like a 100 step solution to actually get there.
>>741437017Imagine.
>>741442307I think the biggest takeaway for jai sycophants is that this is the performance that the dude who fucking wrote the damn language can get out of it. Your own experience will be considerably worse.
>>741442342yeah me too
>>741441295Yes, that's it. This is all that they are.
>>741442342Seems so.
>>741442305that's actually what tripped me up instead of being helpful and led to me taking 30 minutes to solve it
>>741432865I learned about Jon Blow from his programming videos, I didn't even know he was a game dev. I literally thought he was building a game just to prove his programming language, and engine, were effective. Then I found out about Braid and all that. He absolutely considers himself a top programmer in the world and takes great pride in it. Not making any comment on the lag and how bad/non existent it is. I have zero interest in Jon's games, his programming videos are funny though.
>>741442189He licensed four other games but didn't credit the creators.
What do you do in this one?
>>741439891>le UE5holy rent free
>>741444303if you made it this far you know what you have to do on the left side, consider your first moves on the right or you'll be stuck
>>741444080The game doesn't have credits yet, so you could say the same about every Thekla employee. But he does credit the original creators by name every time it's brought up, and sometimes even brings it up himself.
>>741444303remember that the exits are interchangable.
>>741444303you murder goblins with an old reliable but now using the mirror
>>741445182NTA but holy fuck i'm retarded, i've been trying to move this piece of shit for an hour when i could have just finished the level what the fuck
>>741445272nevermind i'm still retarded
>>741432865You are actually too retarded for 4chan and should return to whatever HRT subreddit you crawled out of
>>741445451IM A GENIUS
>>741444303The first move on the right is to not push the block immediatly. On the Left you want to use the mirror to "store" a goblin on the tiny island in the south to set up a triple kill.
The bard is the least fun character to play by a mile. The monsters and heroes dancing when charmed was cute though.
>>741446545I disagree. That's the druid. Bard is actually fun in this game, unlike in Heroes of Sokoban 3. He managed to make the bard fun. Holy shit.
i dont get it
>>741446947you have soft locked yourself, restart the level
>>741442342>>741443009>>741443178>103/105this one still eludes me
>>741447226nvm I figured it out just tired iggot to appreciate how none of the puzzles are actually tedious like in most sokobans
>>741447226I really liked that one. Using the fatso is a pain in the ass in small levels but he really shines in levels like these.
>Alternate timelines in Mirror Isles>Time travel in Heroes of Hauling
>>741447382banger, the 'blow does it again
>Your path has not been wrong. But this is where it turns.You've turned from the direct path east towards north, Heroes of Hauling>And now I feel so warm.He is a hot climate now.>So this is what you want, to ever draw me forward?>So far forward as to leave behind everything I know?You are going towards the Heroes of Hauling, a different world.>It's not merely what I want. It is merely what will happen.The player will go, this voice isn't in control.Bravo, Blowjima!
which map part am i missing? i feel like i've done all the puzzles i could find but i'm only 91/105
>>741448207go up from the golden square thing
>>741448261thx just remembered that i didn't know what to do with the 8 loop
>>741448207
why am I so retarded? heroes was easy but the mirrors keep kicking my ass
>>741432492>HOW THE FUCK DO THESE ASSHOLES MANAGE TO MAKE SOME ISOMETRIC BULLSHIT WITH 0 ACTION THIS FUCKING UNOPTIMIZED?but I thought john blow was a genius optimisation god? isn't he supposed to be programming jesus? all those talks with casey muratori....
So, now we know what these gold squares do. Solving the puzzle on one of them unlock the overlap area between the adjacent worlds. These overlaps have gauge that fills up once you solve important puzzles in said area, with a mark at 7/10. Blow said that there will be 3 endings, for unlocking 4, 6, and 10 of something respectively. This seems to be it. Looking at the trailer map, there are a total of 6 of these in the overworld, 1 for each world pair. Where are the other 4?
she said the words
>>741433198No one knows what the fuck is this or who the fuck is that
>>74144920510 = 4 + 3 + 2 + 1, meaning 5 worlds to combine
when release?
this still lives rent free in my mind
He should release 5 new puzzles daily, gacha sokoban dailies
Played a few minutes. My first impression is "it's sokoban, except the player characters keep talking to themselves and there are audio logs to listen to".I appreciate that Blow wrote his own engine and even programming language for this, but the actual game doesn't look appealing at all.
>>741449853October-November, most likely.
>>741449858And Phil Fish. Where is he now?
>>741450210maybe check out puzzles past the few-minutes-long tutorial?
>>741450210I agree the game is flopping hard.
what's the rule behind riding on dancing gems as bard? you can only "surf" in a given direction if there's either empty land or a blockade two zones ahead but not if it's just water ahead?
>>741450613I don't think you can ever, at least that hasn't come up in my solves
>>741450613Only if there is 1 water tile ahead. You rubberband otherwise.
>>741450210Try reaching the mechanics intersection area, then we'll talk.
>>741441696I stopped here yesterday. I guess I can't see what the braindead solution is.
guys how do i get the last crystal where it ought to go
To those who haven't spoiled themselves with streams or analyzing trailer footage: did you notice any interesting interactions between the wizard and the mirrors?
>>741450947Remember you can pull other characters, too
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>>741450968only this: can't swap with mirror surface, can swap with entities via mirror line of sight, can swap with mirror's back
>>741450993im not picking up the helpfulness of this hint unfortunately.
>>741451143Push the crystal all the way onto the right exit. If you got this far, I trust you can figure out the rest.
I think this game has really highlighted how many people have a flawed approach to thinking about sokoban. You'll often see comments like: "I know what to do, it's just annoying to fiddle all the pieces into place!" However, nine times out of ten, it's obvious "what to do," and the puzzle is in making it happen. Like, obviously you need to do get the box onto the panel, or you obviously need to use a mirror to teleport in such-and-such way, or obviously you need to use the wizard to position enemies in a certain way... The hard part, usually, is specifically that making these things happen is hard. That's the whole point of sokoban as a genre: limited movement, limited space, easy to get yourself into bricked scenarios, etc. It punishes brute-forcing input mashing and rewards thinking ahead to see how to put the pieces in place properly. The game isn't bad because the solution is """obvious""" and then you get stuck doing "the menial part," these people just mistake what the actual puzzle is.If you ask me, the reason this causes so much frustration in people is because they don't actually want to think. Despite this being a puzzle game, ostensibly about thinking to find a non-obvious solution, most would be happiest to just kind of go into auto-pilot and "see" an obvious solution then trivially implement the obvious solution. They are probably happiest with puzzle games that make them feel smart without them actually having to do any actual thinking. And that's fair enough, it's not like someone HAS to enjoy working out the steps in a sokoban puzzle. It's just bemusing to see people miss the entire point of the entire genre they are engaging with and lashing out at the game for it. As if their refusal to think through steps means the game is bad for not letting them instantly win with their "obvious" solution.
Why is the overworld so hideous looking?There's no visual coherence, it looks like a debug level.
>>741451459good puzzles aren't tedious, but instinctive, this game is an example of that, and why it's much more enjoyable than most sokobans, including ones like Baba Is You
The Promise was pretty crazy. I'm really not looking forward to the later versions of that where you need to play 100D chess.
Fuck meI just wasted twenty minutes on this puzzle because I forgot I could just push the dragons directly into the water.Was trying to find a solution that left two opposing dragons as the last survivors. I managed to prove it was impossible but thought I must have made a mistake.
>>741451934promise seems significantly easier than some of the mirror isles puzzles to me
>>741451934A good 30 minutes of my play time was wasted on the last gem there. Actually not even the last gem but trying to unfuck myself from the "solution" I used to get it.
can't get the last guy to move upward in any waycan't remove the crystal in the bottom hallway without plugging the water holestumped
>>741451769There are many biomes in the overworld that correspond to how the puzzles in them look. And there also puzzles in the overworld itself. They did their best to make it look good, and I personally like it.>>741452335I liked that puzzle. I little bait and switch.
>>741452335You dont have to use your shiny new stategies only. You can fall back to your old strategies when applicable.
I feel like this game's art direction is a tragic misstep born from the right intentions. I can just imagine how Blow thought "wouldn't it be cool to have the set itself make the world readable as a grid, instead of using an actual grid?"So they went through all this insane effort making these weight painting and art tools to make each tile be subtly different but still make the world look tile based. But the result actually looks worse than if they had just created the level art with little regard for grids and then just overlayed a grid on top of it.I tried recommending the game to my friend and he said "looks like a mobile game. looks whack" and it's kind of true and any attempts by me to explain why it looks the way it does just sound like cope
How many brown females with British accents do you think are pushing boulders right now? My guess is zero.
>>741452021very fun puzzle, especially given that you can't actually drown all te dragons
>>741452586Yeah, that's because they're all pulling boulders
Jon Blow psyopped me. Every puzzle looks simple at first but then pulls out a stupid twist that makes you stare at it for 25 minutes without any idea as to how to proceed
dancing gnoblin
>>741452498Sounds like you both are philistines
tif's voice actress and writing is excellent
>>741452035Exact same experience. I was teetering on the line of it being not fun vs. the edge of fun. I wonder how I'll feel about Promise 2 or 3
>>741432492>played the demo>got bored of itI think I'll just do another playthrought of baba is you.
>>741453182I made her peg the others, had lotsa fun
>>741452990I appreciate the art for the effort that's been put into it but I can't exactly say with confidence that it looks better than how it would've looked had they chosen a lower effort way
CASEY MURATORI gave up on Promesst 2, and there's a third one in the full game with 12 different beam types. What the fuck is the final difficulty gonna be like?
>>741453426I think there are various approaches Jon could have taken with the visuals, but conveying the grid structure through the art geometry is an essential goal. Trying to superimpose anything over an arbitrarily designed environment would not look good or readable.What the visuals do more than anything is clearly communicate playable area and interactibles. The job of any art team/director is to ensure that the result feels completely obvious and natural, as if the visuals were just chosen and the look emerged spontaneously from that decision, but it's very easy to fuck up contrast, color coding, value differences, detail density, animation and posing etc. in a way that clutters the scene and strains the eye. The game does an exceptionally good job of avoiding that.
>>741451934I found Promise to be easy after I figured out what the beams do. It's very freeform but it's very obvious what kind of moves are not a good idea to do and can lead to a softlock. I might end up wrong with the full game, but it's not something I'm dreading currently.
>>741452742You can. What do you mean?
>>741453426I can.
AAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>741454480>fidget around 'til shit works: the puzzle
>>741453898>Trying to superimpose anything over an arbitrarily designed environment would not look good or readable.works fine for xcom type games desu
>>741454480I've already solved a version of this puzzle previously, in my attempt at recreating this game. I based it on the image linked below, and seems that that screenshot was either taken mid-solution, of they changed the starting state.https://x.com/SinkingStarGame/status/2025270068448231854/photo/1
>>741454480>Previous level taught you to drop a stone by deactivating a forcefield.>Solution here doesn't involve that at allI was pretty mad after I decided to discard that notion and solved it in five seconds.
>>741454480This is the only puzzle I've given up on.When I'm finished with all the others I'll come back for it, I guess.
demo was alright but the goat move-on-a-grid puzzle game is still stephen's sausage roll
>>741454940Exact same fucking thing happened to me anon, genuinely think it was the most stuck I ever was for the whole demo
>>741432492played 45mins, going to wait for release now as I've seen enough and don't want to repeat 8 hours of puzzles / story. never played a sokoban game before, but I'd say it's good, the graphics are pretty and the story seems competant for a puzzle game, kind of Trine like. The audo logs are typical blow philosphy, but you can just skip them. controls feel a little weird to me? I didn't have a problem with them when playing so maybe they are tuned right, but I did notice when you spam L<->R really fast it queues up a lot of actions and you kind of lose control, but that was me trying to figure out what was up with them. I really liked the segment where you swap between all 3 powers in the overworld, very cool, and I assume what the game is really going to be about based on how the puzzles progressed in the witness. people are bitching about performance but I sit at my monitors refresh rate cap and never see any drops so doesn't matter to me
>>741455710>and don't want to repeat 8 hours of puzzles / storyThe save carries over.
>>741455710>The audo logs are typical blow philosphyAnon you need to go back and listen to some Witness logs if you think these are on the same level.
I'm somehow getting filtered by the very beginning, the 2 new guys in the north.
>>741432492It's pretty alright, it's more about figuring out the gimmick than solving the puzzleWhich may or may not be the same thing
>>741455759I think it's still fine to wait for the full release because the AI voices in the Promise are awful and I wouldn't want to sit through that again. It also feels like some of the new puzzles in the demo should have dialog. It usually happens when 2 characters meet for the first time.
>demo keeps ramping up in difficulty >finally reach the first merge puzzle>immediately goes back to baby shitIt gets harder copers? What the fuck was this. The difficulty has fallen off a cliff. Like what was I even being shown in this level? How to push blocks into water?
>>741432492>pandering to retards by giving the option of not listening to AI speech is pathetic. AI haters are dumbfucks and shouldn't be EVER pandered toI don't like AI slop, deal with it, jeet.
This is probably the first puzzle game i've played that is funny through gameplay mechanics alone, lots of silly interactions can ensue when you swap/pull/charm/petrify you companion on accident
>>741456425Well, it's a new-ish mechanic. This one specifically teaches you how to think about pushing rocks into water as Valens with his multipush. Heroes and Water actually gets pretty good, I didn't expect this game to do so much with such a simple concept.
>>741451459>bemusingnigger just say amusing
>>741432492I put 6 hours into it. Didn't expect to like it, I've never played a Blow game.Bought Braid and The Witness afterwards.Fun as fuck puzzles. I've not enjoyed a puzzle game this much since Picross 3D.
Am I reddit for liking hauling heroes the most? The other 2 take themselves so seriously with fart sniffing esotericism. Mirror isle is full of "you are, but you will be what you aren't" rubbish and the promise is enigmatic scifi political commentary Hauling heroes is just a basic adventurers on a boiler plate quest. It's full of even cringier dialogue but at least it's up front with it's vapidness, it's not constantly trying to be so sort of le deep intellectual pieceFunnily enough my favourite character is the Priestess.
>>741452498>looks whack your friend is a nigger
>75 solved in 4.5 hours>105 solved in 6 hourswhere are my 50 hours of gameplay blowboi? surely I can't be an order of magnitude more intelligent than the average player?
>>741453289>tfw never beat a single puzzle game I started on my ownaside from world of goo
>>741456998Makes me wonder what Skipping Stones to Lonely Homes will be like. Based on what I've seen on a stream, it'll be more like north. I also enjoyed how normal the Trader was in the crossover puzzle. Like, he is always having these deep mono/dialogs, and then he is snapped back to reality when he has to talk to another person.
>>741453725>OH NO SOME RANDOM E-RETARD *SOMETHING NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT*
>>741457210google the title if you want to try it, the original is free
>>741457306casey muratori is jon's fudge packer butt buddy and worked on the witness
>have to turn off AI voices EVERY time you open the gameJust make it an option in the menu jesus
>>741457306He's one of the smartest programmers that has ever lived and it says a lot he cannot finish it because it is too hard
>>741457572it says it's too tedious even for an autistic person
>>741457572>one of the smartest programmers that has ever livedthat's like saying one of the biggest dick Koreans
>>741433967means fps in uncapped
>>741432883It’s some puzzle game from that one literal fag who made those shitty hipster games (Braid and The Witness.) No one outside of the California hipster/game journo scene has ever cared about his pretentious games. Go play something with actual substance instead. You’re not missing anything by not playing some block pushing trash.
>tfw started le witness twice of thrice now, got to the inside of the mountain and lost the saveliterally fml
>>741433967>jai machinecodeyou're processing C++ because Jai isn't self-hosted
>>741432492probably realized that spending 10 years to make an engine and one year to make a game is both retarded, and not accounting for the fact that the average goyim buys the sloppiest slop every single time without fail, despite complaining about the thing they keep supporting.
>>741457734>Blow haters are seething this muchgo jack off to gta VI cover again ;)
>>741457734braid was petty good and innovative at a time when indie games werent release 50 a day so it stood outwitness was just really boring and unremarkable
>tfw do intellectual work for a job so don't have leftover brain energy to play puzzle games even though I like them
>>741456796Bemusing... is not the same word as amusing. It has an emphasis on puzzlement and bewilderment with a negative connotation. If you are bemused by something you are puzzled and annoyed. If you are amused you are, uh, laughing and having a good time? Separate words, different meanings.
>>741457971>puzzlementthat's not even a word, you're trying too hard to seem smart (makes sense for a Blow thread of course)
>>741457950What kind of work? Prompting claude all day?
>>741458035Wh-What? Are you trolling?https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/puzzlement
>>741458223ChatGPT, but that's only part of it
>>741458338>using British dictionary settle a dispute about American Englishconcession status = recognized and accepted
>>741433198nta but I seriously have no clue who it is or what game, I've never heard or seen anything about it or this dev
>>741457950weak. I do mental work all day, do overtime, and then play factorio until 4am
>>741458612>I do mental work all day, do overtimedrawing cocks in excel sheeits and other white collar bs doesnt constitute mental work>and then play factorio until 4amcopy pasting algos from guides I bet
>>741458736>blueprint cuckoh no no no no no
>>741458853I dont even play that game, it's autism bait
Do you fellas think being good at puzzlers carries over to real world?I never have the patience to persistently make it through each full game and get filtered by the sheer amount of planning and step calculation you have to do in your own head.Then again seems like it would be the perfect thing to do to prevent your brain from getting dumbed up from the current tiktok/AI environment we're all in
>>741432492AYO HOLUP DIS GAME BOUT PUSHING BLOX FOR 500 HOURS HELL NAH
>>741458520I just linked the first result on Google. It will be in any English dictionary. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/puzzlementYou're just denying a word exists because you apparently haven't heard it before. Which is strange, but thankfully I don't feel the need to argue over something so cut-and-dry, so carry on.
>>741459006>wiktionary>>literally anybody can add their make believe wordyou're not making your case any stronger but I don't particularly care about such minutiae
>>741450919you only need to move both in one direction, which should then inform the rest
>>741458520>>741459125Wait a second, Merriam-Webster is an American dictionary not even a British dictionary. I just took that at face value. Damn, you're a good troll.
>>741458987I think it works as good logic and problem solving practice for the brainI did a ton of sudoku and newspaper number puzzles growing up which I think helped make all my math classes really trivial
>>741459240Thank you, I actually wasn't sure which one was it and I had forgotten what "bemused" meant. You spoon fed me both things without me having to google it
>>741459246sudoku is trivial though let's be honest. don't what "newspaper number puzzles" you're referring to
>tfw beating super hard games like SMB and Cup Heads built up my identity as a hard core gamer and that gives me the confidence to persevere with puzzle games
The overworld is tedious and ugly. A not so clever attempt at tying puzzles together instead of just giving me a selection menu. Sometimes, the straightforward and simple method is superior.
>>741459764>Sometimes, the straightforward and simple method is superior.this is not one of those cases howeverbeit
>>741459551Don't remember their particular names (killer sudoku?) but they were various math/logic puzzlesEventually I would just do all the weekly or hard daily puzzles on the right side of this website https://www.brainbashers.com/puzzles.aspIt's not to say that any of them are incredibly difficult puzzles to wrap your head around, just ways to practice problem solving algorithmsIt doesn't feel like too much of a stretch to me to correlate being able to understand a puzzle-solving algorithm and with being able to understand an actual math problem algorithm
>>741454480Haven't reached this yet but I feel like I solved it already just by seeing the picture. Meanwhile I'm stuck with the flamethrower statue that clearly wants me to kill only 1 of the 2 enemies so I can leave one on a switch.
I really like this game so far :)
>>741459937>https://www.brainbashers.com/puzzles.aspthat design activates my nostalgia neurons
>>741459865Yes, it is. Just give me the damn puzzles. I’m not picking up any audio logs, I’m not going to waste time deciphering Fez style riddles or easter eggs with the “community”. It’s all very tedious. Puzzle games need to stop trying to do so much to generate social media engagement. It’s cheap and insulting to my intelligence.
>>741460154same here haha :)btw if you ever wanna "do some stuff" together online send me a DM anytime ;)
>>741460181Fez did it perfectly though I only had to look up one thing I think
Made me wanna relisten to the soundtrack. beautiful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXfos-mAMMA
Game looks so interesting, I wonder what all those redswitches will need and where they will lead to.
Another thing. I don’t care how many damn puzzles the game has. It makes me want to play it less knowing there are hundreds of hours of puzzles and milling around in the overworld. This is like a AAA approach to designing a puzzle game in the worst way possible. And I’m not impressed by any of the puzzle designs. There’s no aha moment, no point where I think the game is being clever. It’s game design 101 where you introduce mechanics with simple challenges that Nintendo invented in the 80s.
>>741460181I don't know why you think some overworld puzzling suddenly means it will have Fez riddles and ARG components for social media engagement. It's clearly to blend all the various puzzle styles together under different conditions (i.e. the overworld character having different specialties and abilities). If you can only enjoy puzzle games when methodically checking them off a list I think that's way more of a problem with you. This is a video game, not a List of Puzzles.That said, check out Bean and Nothingness if you just want the damn puzzles.
>>741460608Absurd point, makes no sense. Imagine being a casual for puzzle games.You don't even know how the games scope expresses itself yet because none of us do.>big number scaryLeave this game to those of us with the intelligence and love of the genre to beat Baba, Sauage Roll, Paquerette ect
>>741460962Pretentious bullshit. Should I dedicate hundreds of hours of my life to every puzzle game some smug tranny on /v/ namedrops to prove my credentials? Fuck off. It’s bloat. These games don’t get better over the course of those hours. It’s quantity over quality with new ideas applied until the player’s interest has been exhausted. Make more games like Jelly no Puzzle. Now that’s a clever, honest well scoped game that doesn’t overstay its welcome.
how do i get up there
>>741461317just b urself
>>741461243Niggger words of a nigger way of expressing opinions. You're a faggot patienceless philistine.
The voice acting is a little rough but man is this game gonna be amzing once it combines Promise and Mirror mechanics. Mirror puzzles are going to get intimidating fast. Hyped honestly
Let me show you what I consider clever design which goes beyond game design 101 principles. There’s a moment in Monster’s Expedition where you push a log and something unexpected happens that both teaches a new mechanic and leads to a cute little cinematic moment. You probably know what I mean if you have played it and if you haven’t then play it so you can become cultured like me.
>>741461243You have a point in preferring honed games. I would recommend Magicube if you haven't heard of it. However, I don't think you need to be so hostile calling it bloat and worthless; there's a lot of value being left on the pile there. It makes sense to prefer 50 great puzzles to 100 good puzzles, but for plenty of people it can be plenty fun to go through 100 good puzzles, and it may very well end up being that the game is a lot stronger for having a huge number of puzzles than it would have been trying to be a more dense experience.
>>741461507Oh how ironic.
>>741461243kek, the funny thing is Blow started the "too many videogames is bloat" meme with Braid. Given how Braid trailers say the puzzles are unique that respect player time and such. He's hoisted his own petard lmao.
>>741437106I prefer peoplexandled, it's not OK to assume their number or appendage designation.
>>741433198Correct. I don't hear about things for retards.
is this anything
>>741462254No, but you are right that the crystal goes in the water
>>741461860In the Witness he makes you take a 5 minute boat ride to try a new puzzle. It’s absurd, but his fanboys would eat his shit and suck his dick if given the chance.
>>741462356feel like the initial set up of the level is really good at making me think it has to go the one way but it's actually the other way. damn. red herring mastery
I really liked The Promise's gameplay, but I am worried about the displacerleading to softlocks, since resetting takes you way too far back.
>>741459489he.. won...
>>741462649I happened to me genuinely. But it's not really a big deal since once you know what to do you can just retrace your steps without doing the fuck up
>>741439305Aparently the Heroes world doesn't have water like in the Mirror lands, maybe they only have it in bottles or they only have fog or something like that in the reality of their game
>>741451459>The game isn't bad because the solution is """obvious""" and then you get stuck doing "the menial part,"Ironically, the latest batch of puzzles had an instance of this for me with the "which button shouldn't you press" puzzle with the warrior. That shit should have been a multiple choice quiz.
i might be retarded i can't figure out the dragon chessboard thing
>>741442342Oh good, I thought I might have been missing something. Only one overlap puzzle John? I want mooooooore
>>741463324I was stuck because I forgot you can push dragons into the water. Can't do it with all of them, though.
THis game looking great is one thing but the thing I really care about is JaiAbsolute utter Jai ype
>>741462254It's weird you can kinda sorta use a crystal like a raft with her, but only for one tile in specific circumstances I don't understand.
>>741461243Again, you don't yet know how the game will pan out. You completely ignored anon's point.
>>741449446It'd be so cool if he's managed to hide a fifth game for the past decade.
>>741463601how come no one leaked the beta compiler?
>>741463324Think back to the puzzle where you blocked fire for one turn
why wouldnt he include more than 1 combination puzzle, which is supposed to be the whole selling point of this game? the whole reason why this supposedly isn't just a reskin of 4 10 year old free games
>not listening to AI speechBuild a time machine, go back in time, and assassinate the creator of Microsoft Sam then if you're so great.
>>741463601It doesn’t look good and you’re not a programmer.
>>741463974And if a game tried to use that for dialogue and it sounded like trash I'd turn it off too
i give up. literally cannot conceptualise an idea of how to get them closer than with 1 space between them
>>741461860Beating this game by all appearances and things Blow has said will respect the players time. 100%ing it won't. And?Sounds good to me. I want a lot of puzzle game to sink my teeth into thanks
>>741453898>What the visuals do more than anything is clearly communicate playable area and interactiblesI actually got tripped up on this: >>741447226level because the grid on the water doesn't extend to the right of the south east platform, it wasn't until I thought to myself>Wait a sec, there's a big ol' gap RIGHT THEREthat I twigged it and finished the level in short order, so at least in that regards the current grid solution was a bit lacking
>>741463892>get to the fifth game>MIRROR IS REFLECT
I was pleasantly surprised by the Sun lady, the Alchemist, and the Bardess. I thought we were just getting 3I wonder if theres even more
>>741464186wow, once again I beat my head against it for 30 minutes then 1 minute after posting I find the solution and don't understand what the problem was
>>741464251Dude. You have any idea how much I love that game? I'd lose my mind. Never ever though.Maybe if its not in english and it uses some original fake lang symbol shit?
actually feels like there's quite a bit of filler in this update, does anyone else feel that? i felt like the pacing was pretty good for part 1 but there have been a lot of redundant puzzles that dont really introduce anything particularly new
this board needs IDs
Is this bricked? Should I reset?
>>741464618The traffic jam puzzle with the wizard and a bunch of rocks was fucking terrible. It took 10 seconds to understand what you have to do and then 5+ minutes of teleporting rocks around 1 space at a time. It would have been the same puzzle with like 1/10 the amount of rocks what the fuck is Blow smoking?
>>741464618I don't get what you mean at all.>Heroes 2 new dudes>MirrorAnother kind of mirrorI haven't touched Promise yet so someone tell me.I wonder why Stones is zilch nada.
>>741432492Doesn't run for me. Anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it?
There we go.The last puzzle I got was >>741454480 and after ten fruitless minutes I gave up, started genuinely button-mashing, and twenty seconds later zoned back in to realise both of them were in the top-right corner.I have no idea how I solved it and frankly I do not care.
>>741464850there's a whole new area of wizard puzzles for some reason, a bunch of redundant fighter and thief puzzles too.
>>741464747how did you even fuck up the green one that badlydunno about bricked but it doesn't take long to beat after a restart if you know what to do
>>741464843I like occasional tedium puzzles for the novelty. Makes later non tedium puzzles stand out. Some Baba Is You puzzles were tedious but I appreciated their inclusion in retrospect. Sure they are inferior in a vacuum but they break up samey flavor
>>741464994Probably character-focus regions. The full unimpeded game will feel more natural I bet
>>741432756Using his perfectly handcrafted programming language as well.
>>741464350Communicating exercises other parts of your brain and can help your reach insights, it's a pretty useful technique when you're stuck (and not just in a puzzle game).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
>Tif likes dragons>Get it? DRAG-ons
>>741463691Like this.Why could I go left but then not back right? Something about the wall I'm sure, but I don't get why.
>>741464994It’s bloat so he can justify charging $50 for the full game.
>>741465402The characters on top of the crystals move twice, because you're moving them once manually and the rock is also moving them so she would fall in the water if not for the wall
>>741465402Huh, I'll have to remember to try this interaction on the final release
For (dedcades) roast people who write shitty, laggy software - and rightfully so.Then release a fucking sokoban game that barely hits 30-40fps and burns through Steam Deck battery in <2hrs as if you're playing a heavy AAA title like Cyberpunk or RDR2.And the game doesn't even fucking "look good". The inputs are laggy and unresponsive, and just moving the characters around the screen feels like shit.And then there's some fucking abnoxious woman on verge of crying yapping in the background all the time while you're doing the tutorial levels. What the fuck is this shit, what happened to JBlower. It's like he either didn't get any feedback, or didn't listen to any of it.
hauling heroes was fun but I can't say I cared for mirror isles at all, those exercises feel tedious to my brain
>>741465663Mirror Isles instantly let me down when i realized you couldn't waste or sacrifice clones
>>741465614>It's like he either didn't get any feedback, or didn't listen to any of it.Jon Blow is the type of guy who would remove you from his life if you told him anything he didn't want to hear so I he probably had no serious QA on this project
>>741465293dragon deez nuts
>>741465614It’s a soulless AAA remake of several indie games mashed together with all the performance issues you would expect from an Unreal game made by inexperienced developers. It’s like the whole game is an elaborate shitpost 10 years in the making.
>>741465614nigga, it's a demo that was released in short notice. obviously he's going to polish this shit and optimize everything in the final release.
>>741466398Yeah just give him 10 more years guys come on. Rome wasn’t built in a decade.
>>741466398I'm looking forward to the game myself but let's put a limit on our copium intake here.VA, sure, I trust all the lines will be done in the final release. But optimisation is tied closely to the core engine which is the main thing he spent all this time on. Far too deep to be 'polished' at the last moment.
>>741466631nope, optimization is the last step. he will do benchmarks on all platforms and figure out any problems and polish them before the release. premature optimization is masturbation, as they say. also, i think this a debug build as well, so not running as fast as it actually can.
>>741464186>>741464350how'd you do on the 3 gobbo one?
>>741466779That’s cope, stop gargling his nuts. Demos are called demos because they’re supposed to demonstrate what the game is like. It’s not an early access release. Words have meaning.
>>741465614I tried it on 2 different laptops and the game doesn't run because of some shader.
>>741466398>short noticeMotherfucker it's a block pushing puzzle game that he's been making for years. Why does he feel the need to reinvent the wheel in order to provide gameplay that hasn't fucking changed in decades?
>>741466631If your PC is shittier than a Switch 2 that's pretty depressing
>>741466969Do you think the game runs well?
>>741466942if have a dual-GPU laptop, try manually disabling the integrated one.For some reason Jblow leaves it up to a driver hint in the exe instead of manually grabbing and enabling the proper GPU at runtime.
>>741467064I don't know, I don't have a potato to test it. It runs 1440p 180hz on my PC which is the highest I can test since it seems to auto cap to my refresh rate. It can't be that bad if it runs on Switch 2.
You can tell the character's lines were recorded in total isolation, probably years apart judging by how development hell usually pans out. It's like it's trying to mask the fact that the vocal inflection is all off by putting on airs so you can't be totally sure if it's shit. It never really sounds like they're talking to each other even when they're supposed to be.
>>741467391>You can tell the character's lines were recorded in total isolation, probably years apartquite literally not lol, they were hastily recorded over a few days
Why do people think the demo was rushed? I'm not doubting, I just would think he planned to have this demo for like a year or more ahead of time.
Decent puzzles, I got totally mogged by >>741464990 in playtime but I'm not seething.Very weird that the new puzzles were like 90% easy water puzzles. Definitely felt a bit like filler. But whatever, if it's mid it's mid, still fun enough.
>>741468158That guy probably replayed to get a better time.
Tips? I’m stuck and not enjoying these ones
>>741468805think back to the introduction levels of the warrior and what his unique ability is
It would seem some folks don't like John Blow's personality and want him to fail. I for one wish him the best and hope this ends up in the 5 of meta puzzlers Be happier people. I don't know why one man's opinionation is any skin off of your nose and you feel like you need to add the guy to your dwarven list of grudes or whatever. Odd.
>>741468805How is it that this one level filters so many people. I was definitely stuck on it but not for more than 5 minutes.
>>741465471Wow that explanation makes perfect logical sense, I legitimately thought it was just some retarded workaround to prevent infinitely recursing movement when riding on an object you're also moving or some shit
>>741468805Use 2 rocks to push, you get 1 back for free.
>>741468917*top 5
>>741469034No because on another level when you try to move the warrior on top of a rock he moves twice and falls in the water. I don't know why the game moves you back on the bard instead of just letting you fall in the water tho
>>741432492Jonathan can Blow me. He's made 1 good game (possibly by mistake) so far and everything else is pretentious "I get off on the smell of my own shit" slop.
the goblin levels would be way cooler if the direction they're facing mattered and required a turn to rotate, instead of being able to instakill you, even if they're facing away.It'd trivialize the simpler levels, but allow for way more advanced and interesting ones.
>>741469367It's a demo anon, wait.
>>741468983And the setup mentioned by >>741469042 was literally taught in the previous level where you only kill two. You cannot solve it without applying that rule, and still people just forget right away how to do it once given a slightly larger level. I guess they're unable to juggle more than 1.5 concepts in their head at once
>>741469493Pushing with two blocks was not shown earlier. Don’t be an ass.
>>741432756It's not done. Optimization happens last of the last. You don't want to optimize content that might not make the game. Given how Braid and The Witness ran at release, I believe OotSS will run better than this when it's fully cooked. Even if that makes it take 10 more years to make.
>>741469493the levels barely use the warriors ability, so you kinda assume it stops being relevant because half of puzzle games is reverse engineering designer intent
>>741468917Based and wholesome pilled
>>741457734Yeah and he's a Trump/Elon dickrider transphobe too. He's no "genius auteur." All the superior game designers whose work he stole as the basis for this project are actively distancing themselves from him. What a loser.
played some more, amazing fucking game. gotta say I fucking hate that clone mechanic where you have to create some exact horizontal and vertical distance between clones. annoyed me in baba, annoys me here.also how do you get that screen that shows play time and puzzle completion?
>>741470459oh yeah.65 puzzles, 4 hours. Got 40 more to go
>>741470457>noooo don't support him, he's based and some faggots are trying to cancel himwtf I love him even more now
Btw I mentioned earlier I hate huge room puzzles and so far all of these have been pretty small rooms. I guess he's saving giant rooms till the end like in the witness
>>741455003idk this may match stephen's sausage roll for me
>>741468917>some folksit's one guyhe has a retarded obsession with blow for some reason and posts paragraphs about him all day, it's sad
>>741469120The animation shows her aborting the action part way before she falls off the block, similar to how most characters refuse to walk into the water
>>741470457>transphobeA good man in at least one respect then?
>>741470595This one's already pissin me off
>>741468983i just replayed it and actually got stuck on it for a bunch of new reasons after plowing through it the first time. I think it maybe just makes you think differently about how you move goblins.
>>741470895>wizard, rocks and gapsyep, it's tile counting time
>>741470682Something about Jonathan Blow just inspires loathing in male nurses and lesbian poets
https://x.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/2068055689977847929He has already begun dumbing down puzzles because he saw some streamers getting stuck at them for longer than 4 minutes and that's bad UX.Yes, THIS is an example of a puzzle that was too confusing for the targeted playerbase in Jon's opinion. He's likely gonna put barriers across the water everywhere he doesn't want you placing boxes to railroad it further than it already is. That's such a pity since I found this to be one of the best puzzles in terms of simplicity and elegance and found it in the perfect sweet spot in terms of difficulty.
>>741471253I didn't have any trouble until putting the final crystal in the water, and even then I just solved it by accident by moving the characters around to different spots
>>741471253Crazy considering there's really only 2 crystals you need to actually figure out where to putBy this point the player should understand what movements are possible when you have access to both push and pull in a level
>>741465894>remove you from his life seems like it went the other way around his friends removed jonh from their lives when he went full social media schizocasey is flying around him to get jonh's followers money lol
Thief >>>> Warrior > Cleric > Druid > Wizard > Bardno I won't elaborate
>>741471656Is thief the sassy black lady? If so she is my favorite behind the golden lady. Fuck the wizard, obnoxious gameplay.
Sorry if it's too soon to ask, but is there a way to transfer the save from the demo to the pirated version that will inevitably come out?
>>741471065Having now solved it, it was a fun puzzle in retrospect. The man's got a gift.
>>741468158Get on my level kid
>>741471656Cleric > Warrior > Bard > Wizard > Thief > Druid
>>741471656Cleric > Thief > Queenie > Bard >>> the others personallyBut it's okay to be a bifag in current year, I won't judge you (much).
will the mirrors repair my soul?
>>741471909you will become a better man... by the light of the distant mirror... by the light of the moon
This game is fucking gorgeous by the way
>>741472065I hard disagree, I think it's a step down from The Witness. Still better than Braid, though, but that's not saying much. The only thing it's really got going is its water, which admittedly does look nice.
>>741471701reminder that "golden lady" is a eunuch who took a vow of silence, jblow confirmed this in the demo phase 2 launch celebration stream. did anyone watch it btw?
>>741472181is it gay to fap to her?
>>741471741same question, also sorry if that matters
>>741472238It's gayer to fap to Tif the tomboy (literally a Toph ripoff)
>>741472065based>>741472161cringe
>>741468158You're still missing 5 of them
more excited for his next game desu, especially if it's not a puzzle-based one.
>>741472454oh look 4 pictures of water, proving my pointthank you :)
>>741472520This can't be, everyone posted at 105...
>>741471741>>741472262No, the save file has Denuvo DRM, sorry.
>>741472576And rocks + plants under the water and on the islands. Just admit it anon, you weren't actually looking.
>>741472520
>>741432865Remember when everyone on the internet was convinced Elon Musk was a genius rocket scientist with a 300 IQ and it turns out he's barely functional
The tweets the game's Twitter account keeps putting out look like they were written by AI
>>741472618https://www.orderofthesinkingstar.com/en/news/article/11581638
>>741473359It's never been more over.
>>741442523
>>741473359I believe that might be mistake, unless this anon >>741472520 posts a screenshot of 1 of the 5 extra levels he seems to have found.
>>741473578I hunted around and couldn't find shit, though I would be surprised if the article lust lied. I bet the 5 are particularly well hidden and bunched up together in one area.
>>741464747how the fuck did you even manage that
>>741473578You can see the levels directly in the game files.There's 109, but those extra 4 are the overworld + tutorial + fast travel area + something else. The first update had 79.
>>741471253it's fucking over if this is what they're dumbing down when that's solvable by accident
>>741473359>photos taken moments before disaster
>>741473897How did anon get them included in his save file on the game screen then, mr smart guy?
>>741474041He's Jonathan Blow.
>>741432492good clean sokoban fun. but i find the constant talking to be irritating as fuck. whatever "story" there is seems to be retarded and meaningless, and the presentation of it is even worse. there needs to be an option to completely mute voices.
ive played these games before!!!!
>>741472772>Denuvo DRMhavent they hacked denuvo years ago?
>>741472990Well both times people were retarded. In reality he's just really bright and super productiveBtw both times it was mainstream media brainwashing people with it's narratives
>>741474347So funny how Blow got these devs to agree to license their games out while he was an indie darling, and now they're coping/seething that their work is being used to in a right wing chud's latest masterpiece.
>>741474347>random 1.5 pixel screenshots of pre-uncslop with no explanationYou'll have to do better than that Blow-hater
>>741474347what games are these? are they good? are they on steam? btw not strictly sokoban but Adventures of Lolo are an obscure NES Gem(s)
>>741474589top left is https://silverspaceship.com/promesst/, if you like promise and don't mind shit graphics and UX, you'll probably like it.the other two are https://www.puzzlescript.net/play.html?p=6860122
>>741472520altered screencap
>>741471992you will become worse for all the ways you are better, as you grasp for the self you lost when you chose the path you now revile... and I love you for it.
>>741463892>>741464251Imagine if the 5th hidden plagiarized game was stephen's sausage roll...
>>741475335is there supposed to be a fifth one?
Wtf is this gameI went west after the tutorial and ended up having to COLLECT 20 GEMSI spent an hour getting 17 then somehow made the puzzle unsolvable and gave upI am NOT Blowed away
i can't wait for the full gamegenuinely experiencing blowphoria
>>741475887You just walking around, no point to dis game, it's just stoopid
>i slightly overestimated our budget>i slightly overestimated our deadline
>>741474589they are all free in a browser
Did I solve all the puzzles or I'm still missing some?
>>741477094That's all of 'em
>>741477154no, there's 110five puzzles are hidden ones
>>741476475Blow is such a rat cunt.
>>741476475uh oh melty alert
>>741477185No >>741473897
>>741476475>tfw so good at puzzles Blow doesn't believe you existFeels good.But also, I put 4.6 hours into the Bunburrows demo, pretty much the exact same length. Obviously Bunburrows is a great thing to be compared to, but it's sure not unprecedented.
>>741475335this game just makes me want to continue working on my SSS plagiarized game again
Honestly love the molyneux energy of Blow lately.He should lean into it, and double down on being the indie dev heel.
>>741477369>>741475335Also, he doesn't even like SSS anymore. He tried to replay it and said it was too hard, so it's no wonder he wants to nerf his new game.
SSS is unironically everything wrong with puzzle games, in revolving everything around tedium which is just painfully unfun. Meanwhile a far superior game like Baba doesn't need tedium to still have far better puzzles and a concept.Puzzle game people need to realize they don't have to pretend to worship it.
>>741477627The only tedious level is the sausage tower, Baba is way more tedious due to the bloated level count
>>741436565>filename
For the demo being quicker to complete than originally planned; it honestly is for the best for the game selling well, since most people who buy games on steam don't get past the 10 hour mark.
>>741477627No one copies SSR's puzzle design though, it had very little tutorialisation. "Tedium is unfun" is a meaningless tautology. It's okay to not like difficult games, but actually there aren't many games as difficult as SSR, and OotSS has pretty moderate difficulty.
>>741477675>SSS>SSRDon't think you're talking about the same game cheif.
>>741477627How on fucking earth does one consider SSR "tedious"? You're likely just butthurt that ever *single* level, even the first ones, in it is a flavor of difficult.
>>741477872>"Tedium is unfun" is a meaninglessIt's not. If the puzzle needs tedium, it's not good. Tedium is a pejorative in every other aspect of games, but why is it suddenly and only a feature with puzzle games?
>>741477909What game is SSS then?
Since everyone is talking about the king of puzzle games:Once again I implore (You) to play Nimi's Garden. A mod so good it's as if Hempuli himself made BIY2.Disco Divertimento Duo my beloved.
>>741437017The best new woman pushing simulator
>>741478009Fuck if I know
>>741478010The last thing I need is more Baba levels. I didn't even finish that crap DLC update they put out when the game went from an actual puzzle game to a bunch of shitty gimmicks like 3D
>>741477369Speaking of plagiarized SSS games, how did everyone enjoy Can of Wormholes?
>>741478010
>>741478007If something is fun then it's not tedious. Some people play JRPGs where you grind the same encounters for dozens of hours and don't find them tedious. All you're saying is "being bored isn't fun". You also are not even describing repetitive actions or idle time because those aren't present in OotSS or SSR, so I don't understand what you could find tedious other than SSR's difficulty
>>741478095Nimi's is far superior to New Adventures
>>741478114Good but it's nothing like Stephen's Sausage Roll. The closest thing to Stephen's Sausage Roll is Pipe Push Paradise but not really because stuff on top of the rolled pipes don't move IIRC
>>741477627>>741477872I legit think that if you vibe with SSR, it's not that hard. I think mid-game ootss will be as hard and late game even harder.And I find it unbelievable how little it's been talked about. It's like a glitch in reality.I think it should be talked about in the mainstream with the same reverence as half-life 2, botw, Elden ring or AT LEAST outer wilds. I unironically think SSR is IMPOSSIBLY good.
>>741477872The puzzle subgenres "point and click adventure" and "text-based adventure" are very often impossible for anyone to get without external hints. They'd be at least on par with it, if not harder
>>741478114I never got the true ending in that, there was one puzzle that hard-locked me.It's a good game though. Extremely cool that it has all of about five tile types that its levels are made of, but feels like twenty different ways they can interact to turn into puzzles.
>>741478208It was so good I spent a week trying to make my own SSR engine and then gave up. I've got a way better idea that isn't as blatant of a rip off tho... I kinda want to start again
>>741478208>I think mid-game ootss will be as hard and late game even harder.You could be right. The opening of SSR is harder than the OotSS demo though, I actually think it's impressive it's as popular as it is considering how much of a turnoff the first zone can be to anyone unfamiliar with Sokoban games, it can be hard to solve a single puzzle
>>741478407Everyone says "jaw-dropping moments in gaming" for the most banal things. SSR's level called deadend was an amazing WTF moment that truly made you say "Amazing things will follow".
>>741477496Is there any link for that? That would be interesting, considering that many people (including me) only ever heard of it because of JB.
>>741478781A clip of him from taken from a stream 8 months ago saying indirectly he still likes SSR: https://youtu.be/QOrT0164l34
>>741478781No, he didn't even get through the first area. I just remember he was playing it on stream one time and he was complaining about the difficulty and comparing it his game. He said it was hard to hit a middle ground between that and another game with too many filler easy puzzles like A Monster's Expedition. That was years ago tho
>>741478997>unc is still pretending inside, papers please, necrodancer, are good 10 years later
what the fuck is SSR
>>741478997god that curated list is so bad
>>741457572Is he? I know that Blow respects him, meaning that her is at least really competent, but what did he work on that's so impressive? Software in general, not just games.
i feel like reinstalling the witness, play for a few hours until i get filtered and uninstall again
>Braid
>>741460549They'll probably need the 3 red crystals you see in the north.
>>741479553Stephen's Sausage Roll
>>741463923there are multiple betas leaked, search /g/ archive
so what was The Great Tower of this demo?
>>741461652Yeah, that was pretty cool. That's why I consider A Monster's Expedition a good puzzle game, despite the kind of writing that would make a Redditor cringe.
>>741462456>5 minute boat ride to try a new puzzleThe boat is fast travel. If I remember correctly, you can't dock somewhere you haven't already been. And it doesn't take 5 minutes, the boat is pretty fast at max speed.
>>741461652i finished it and honestly forgot, is it about the long ride back to the beginning?
I thought I was supposed to be getting 300 hours of pushing blocks?My favorite is the gem dude. I liked the macro/micro puzzles.
>>741481698Nothing. Dropped sausage roll because of this level
>>741449426He's the guy who got btfo by Soulja Boy Lurk moar newfag
>1 hour inI'm afraid to admit it, but Blow has done it again. I'm getting a feeling I haven't gotten since OG Talos Principle
>>741481412What's the newest leaked version?
>>741465261I discovered this while studying programming in university. Didn't know there was a term for it.
>>741466873You need to push a goblin away from a rock you pushed it with.
Why doesn't the Wizard just close his eyes?
>>741464273No, that's all the heroes. There will be 1 more character in the south world, but she is normal, just like the trader. But there have been fan games based on Heroes of Sokoban with new heroes.>The Ranger - has a dog that follows her. The dog can push any amount of things, and the Ranger can only push the doghttps://www.puzzlescript.net/play.html?p=b2203e71dfceee273d33d49f21deaa7b>The Rogue - like Thief, but drags along things by her side instead of behind herhttps://www.puzzlescript.net/play.html?p=80d509472ee1f51e7d40
>>741467064NTA, but it does for me. Ryzen 3700X, Radeon RX 5700XT.
>>741467391All of the lines currently in the game were recorded last week.
>>741481698>>741482171OotSS got me briefly toying with the idea of trying SSR again until I remembered this is where I dropped it too.
>>741469367There is actually a level in the full game that uses the mechanic of goblins turning to face the heroes to rotate mirrors.
>>741482336last one i saw is from February 2025
Shift key should be the default movement speed
>>741482478He's so fucking fat his eyelids can't reach that far anymore.
Beated itAlso found out the buttons at the beginning lower the red force fields. Unfortunately, Blow, master of demo releases, cucked me out getting the third rock so I can't figure out if those tiles do anything special. I figure it will fill out some part of the red crest display somehow.
>>741474589>what games are these?The 4 games that were a direct inspiration for the 4 worlds in Order of the Sinking Star:>North: Heroes of Sokobanhttps://sites.math.washington.edu/~ostroff/puzzles/Heroes_of_Sokoban.htmlhttps://sites.math.washington.edu/~ostroff/puzzles/Heroes_of_Sokoban_II_Monsters.htmlhttps://sites.math.washington.edu/~ostroff/puzzles/Heroes_of_Sokoban_III_The_Bard_and_The_Druid.html>East: Mirror Isleshttps://alan.draknek.org/games/puzzlescript/mirrors.php>West: Promessthttps://silverspaceship.com/promesst/https://silverspaceship.com/promesst2/>South: Skipping Stones To Lonely Homeshttps://alan.draknek.org/games/puzzlescript/skipping-stones.php>are they good?Mostly yes. I don't like Promesst 2 and Promesst 1 is pretty annoying to finish.>are they on steam?Promesst games are free to download and everything else in in browser.Play Skipping Stones to Lonely Homes for some real fucking kino.
>>741483136Lowering the red barriers will probably let you blast a beam over from the promise or reflect a mirror in the isles, something like that.
How easy is it to softlock yourself on the west side?
>>741483318I felt like I softlocked myself and refused to redo everything. Then I figured out you can use your gems to push things got myself even further fucked up in getting the 20th gem and eventually got it all figured out. I feel like most situations are reversible there if you try long enough.
>>741483318Fairly difficult, I'm not even sure there is a soft-lock in the beginning.Then you get the displacement dagger, and it becomes very easy to softlock yourself.
>>741483318While it is possible to softlock yourself, it's much more likely it looks like you've softlocked and there's a way out of it.
>>741432492The large laser puzzle makes me scared to move. after I got the matter teleporter mcguffin,Since it's a big map with a lot of sub-puzzles, it feels like you could accidentally set up an unwinnable situation and not even notice you've already made a bunch of progress you now have to undo.
>>741483412>Then I figured out you can use your gems to push thingsLike... blocks? Stones?
>>741474523Blow is not a chud and I don't even know how someone could believe that.He sucks in an entirely different way than that.
>>741483481And the laser sources
>>741483470once you pracriced enough with the lasers it's not that hard, espesically when you see that every gem has clear intended solution
>>741483318by the time you can break the level there's only a few gems left to gather, as long as you figure out the remaining solutions it's inconsequential to reset from last checkpoint
>>741483509I have 11 gems on the west side, first set of puzzles, and I feel like I've done everything you can do. Only gems I haven't gotten are the one near the bottom that's trapped in the rock wall by the green emitter, and the one at the top right that's next to another green emitter that takes 2 gems to run
>>741483559You do know there's a basement, right?
>>741483559It sounds like to haven't gotten the tool from downstairs yet and don't realize what I meant by pushing things with gems.
>>741483648That takes 12 gems
>>741478208combinatorics is often a poor man's riddlesolving diophantine equations by hand is not my idea of fun
>>741483274>"This is one of the games used as the inspiration and starting point for Order of the Sinking Star - for more context on that see this thread on Bluesky.">oh cool, let me check the thread on Bluesky>it's a thread complaining about Donald Trump and Elon Musk
4,3 hours, 75 solved.I rarely play puzzle games.Thekla gotta explain that.
>>741484880>literally every one of the original game creators hates Blow and regrets signing away the rightsComplete and utter kino.
>>741485127KWAB
>>741485127Honestly they should be happy that they got _any_ money out of their pixelslop at all.
>there's some kind of silly bullshit to navigate after solving every puzzle in heroes like tif pulling the other characters awaygame of the year
>>741485875get yanked
>>741458987noit's the same with action games. It improves your percrption and cognition, but only for that particular scenario. For any real-life task, you're out of luck.
>>741485127>Additionally, in recent years it has become increasingly clear that Jon’s beliefs/priorities and mine are not aligned. He’s adversarial to people talking about privilege and representation, is dismissive of diversity efforts, has dabbled in covid trutherism, and is pro-MAGA.>covid trutherismLab leak was proven objectively true, lmao
>>741486145its incredible how Jonathan Blown out of his ass can be based and cringe at the same time.
>>741458987The other way around, yes, if you've done programming before it will be easier to see the solutions.
What are some other sokoban kinos I should play before this game's out
>>741486426Void Stranger
>>741482336https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106051377/#106077531
Yep, puzzle game of the year.
>>741486472I'm not enough of a l33t h4x0r for this. I'll wait for the proper release + VS Code support.
>>741486426Leafs odyssey Isles of sea and skies
>>741471701She is not black, she is titilatingly brown
I wonder if the story will be good
>>741486447>>741486789thank
stuck in 3 different puzzles i feel like this game is only for hard game puzzle fansgoodbye thekla
105 puzzles done. Honestly this is pretty good, the dialogue during the mirror isles is pretty out there but otherwise I found myself enjoying this more than I thought I would. Hopefully Blow actually finishes it this year.
>>741488554They are relatively easy so far, you can go check original version of Skipping Stones to Lonely Homes, they are probably going to nerf it, even first levels are hard
