But why?
>>741437156>But why?It's called revisionism. Pretty normal in political propaganda. It happened 6 million times already.
>>741437156Kanji is a bisexual, not gay. And his shadow is about gender norms, i.e. is it ok to be a man who likes something feminine
>>741437340>Kanji is a bisexualNo he's not
Because speed players thought he was gay back in the original but he was simply having his doubts about his sexuality as he thought Naoto (who wasn't revealed to be a woman at that point in the game) seemed to be very hot. Atlus is just putting yellow paint on his persona here to illustrate his self doubt that's happening.
>>741437340>is it ok to be a man who likes something feminineno, you need to be a tranny instead
For me it says he actually wants to put his arrow into the other hole and end the debate once and for all but you do you and be angry about Jews or whatever
>>741437340>And his shadow is about gender norms, i.e. is it ok to be a man who likes something feminineIts funny how queers hate gender roles but at the same time need them to exist because otherwise their identites become completely meaningless
>>741437441yet you are
oh well, the geometry already exists with the other one so it's not going to be too difficult to fix.
>>741437156Trans kanji confimred?
>>741438251you can do many things to me but you can't stop my anger against jews. Thus you are wise.
>>741437156so....?
>>741437156>But why?Because his entire character arc revolves around a sexual identity crisis.1 sign of each gender makes more sense than 2 female signs.He straightens himself out later on.Did you never play P4?
>>741441089He struggling with the idea that he might like men because he likes sewing.Sewing is something women usually like.Men are usually something women like.It makes sense, that's why he questions himself.That's why his shadow is holding men, because his shadow is the representation of his gay thoughts.
>>741441089>>741441238Two secondaries arguing? This should be fun.
>>741441089>>741441238>>7414413183 secondaries arguing, sweet.
>>741441318>>741441383The point is that you can have gay thoughts without being gay.That's the whole point of literally everyone's shadow personas. Thinking bad things doesn't make you a bad person.And YES being gay is bad.
>>741441238>He struggling with the idea that he might like men because he likes sewing.No, he's not. He's struggling with the idea that he won't be seen as a real man because he likes sewing.
>>741441563Kanji's shadow has literally nothing to do with what HE thinks.
>>741441089>>741441238>>741441318>>741441383man i never thought i'd see the day where i see four secondaries arguing
>>741441563>The point is that you can have gay thoughts without being gayNo, the point is that you can like things outside of gender norms without being gay. The idea of "gay thoughts" goes against the point.Not to mention, if I remember right your shadows aren't manifestations of yourself but rather manifestations of how people perceive you.
>>741441776All the shadows hit their mark, Chie's shadow is an uppity bitch, Sasuke wants to be the hero, Rise literally is an easy bitch.But the shadows aren't your entire being defined, that's the point, you can struggle but still be a good person.>>741441664He's struggling with the idea that he isn't a real man, not that he won't be seen as one. There's multiple scenes with him lusting for Naoto while he still thinks she's a boy which cause him to question his masculinity and sexuality.
>>741441967Here you go champ. You earned it.
I'm guessing for the retards who think he's gay and not struggling with his feminine hobbiesI imagine his (and Naoto's) dialogue will be extremely obvious about this too for the retards who didn't get it
>>741441089>>741441238>>741441318>>741441383>>741441932>five secondaries unironically arguing about a 2008 ps2 game in the big 2026
>>741441563That's not what a shadow is, retard. A shadow is the aspect of yourself you don't let others see, and it becomes a Persona when you accept it and wear it as armor to face the world. Shadows in P4 long to be seen, so they put on a show for collective conscious (the midnight show). People spread rumors that Kanji is overcompensating for his sexuality so that's what his shadow does the show on, but the hidden truth is that Kanji is actually worried about how the things he likes makes him a failure as a man. It in fact has nothing to do with his sexuality.
>>741437493>on his personanahhhh is that a persona reference??
>>741441967Leaving aside you being a secondary, the whole point of a Freudian shadow is that it's a representation of the Id, things you (the ego) have rejected and repressed but may have had fleeting thoughts about before doing so.Frankly, if you wanted it to be accurate to his character, it should be the macho guy holding TWO female symbols.
>Sasukeahh its just bait
>>741437156cant wait for the localization threadsshits gonna be so cash
board once again proving they put about a million times more thought into this shit than any japanese writers or designers who are shown to put zero thought into their designs or writing time and time again beyond the most surface level young adult writing tier shit. this is a game and series made for teenagers like everything anime. it's not high art. stop being a living representation of the old fatlus "fucking masterpiece" meme i beg you for the love of god. get over the idea that this series was ever deep. i am tired of an eternity of discussion over this shit, i fucking hate atlus so much for remake after remake resparking this pure autistic drivel.
>>741442123>the hidden truth is that Kanji is actually worried about how the things he likes makes him a failure as a man. It in fact has nothing to do with his sexuality.I don't know why you're trying to separate these two things when they're one in the same.Liking men is something women should do ergo it's a feminine trait.
>>741442410you're gay
>>741437156Because the entire point was that he's confused by Naoto's sexual orientation, not that he's gay
>>741437156so the guy was lying constantly whenever he said the game was faithful to the pixel as the original
Let's be fair, SMT and Persona have always been yaoi source material.
>>741443934not nearly as gay as the fucking mongoloids on this board who can't get over this tired, lame franchise.
>>741437340his shadow is supposed to be traits he's insecure about perceived in the worst way, i.e. a flaming homo, not bi
Wasnt the entire point of the male symbols, was that he was using his literal masculinity as a weapon?
>>741437156Gay erasureDevs saw people aren't ready yet to accept he's gay so now he's bisexual
>>741437156>faggots cry there aren't enough gay characters>faggots cry to change a gay character into a bisexual I'm starting to think it's not about equality at all and faggots just enjoy being angry about things
>>741437156To make it less gay so they can sell it in China
>>741444813to 99.9% of straight people bisexual men are just gay. if you want to date women as a bi man there is literally zero reason to come out as bi. you're shooting yourself in the foot if you do.
It's gonna be so cool when P4 discussion reaches the lowest point it could possibly be, and it'll be like that forever now.
How is this hard for people to understand this game?
10 more years of Kanji and Naoto discourse... way to go fatlus
>>741445869persona series discussion was always shit on this board. literally fucking always.
>>741445965Yeah so now imagine that but worse and everywhere.
>>741437156what about /ourguys/?
>>741444093The entire point is that everyone who knew about his hobbies perceived him as a faggot, that's why his shadow is a flaming homo. He never was bisexual, had homosexual curiosity or anything like that. He just hated that people saw him that way.
>>741446279>never had homosexual curiosity or anything like that.>crushes on Naoto who poses as a fucking boyyou are fucking retarded
>>741446279No, he was a bisexual. The conflict with his shadow didn't have anything to do with that tho, or at least it was only a small portion of a bigger problem.
>>741446325>Crushes on a woman>"hurr durr he is gay"Retard. He could smell her ovules from miles away.
Nature is healing, kanji stop being gay. Frogs next.
>>741437156Censored trash unironicallyActually ruins the point of his story I'm actually amazed
>>741446343Not a single line in the whole game signals this, he never calls any other male handsome or tries on hit on anyone from the male cast.
>>741446386
>>741446495He gets a nosebleed staring at the main character. Which the game specifically acknowledges was for the main character with Rise exclaiming "WTF Kanji is getting a nosebleed staring at MC?!"He also had romantic feelings for Naoto before and after the reveal. Which is what makes him bisexual instead of just gay.
The biggest misconception about persona 4 is that everything is about sexuality, instead of the characters being afraid of not fitting societal norms and them moving away from the collective unconscious, represented by their individual dungeons and the midnight channel, throught individuation and establishing a persona by defeating their shadows.Simply speaking, they are a coming of age stories through the theories of carl jung which the persona series basically take most of its inspiration from.
>>741446654Golden is not canon.
>>741446713The nosebleed scene is from vanilla, anon.
Doesn't it make more sense though?
>>741437156That's clearly two male symbols on the right.
>>741446769WrongNo such a thing in the PS2 release.
>>741446813Revival is on the left, dude.
>>741446805No? The whole point of his shadow is that it is a faggot.>>741446813For some reason people put revival screenshots on the left for comparisons.
>>741446821It's in the PS2 version because I've never played Golden.
>>741441238Is this even a thing in Japan where people spend 10 years rolling rice balls and jerking themselves off over it? Do scrawny little Japanese tweens really bully each other over bullshit like wanting to be a textile worker? Sounds like something a fat mutt would bitch about where anything except football and beer is seen as feminine.
>>741447037Do we even get to see people calling kanji a faggot thorough the game is it all in his head? Honestly the one that discriminates the hardest against him is fucking Yosuke of all people.
>>741437493>morons thought he was gay so now we'll make morons think he is bisexualgreat idea retard
>>741447037Bully, maybe not and Kanji isn't the kind to let himself get pushed around anyway but fitting society;s expectations is a pretty big source of personal pressure in japan.
>>741447179Rise is worse with it actually
>>741446914You're still a faggot if you're bisexual. This is also meant to represent him liking girly shit like sewing, which leads to him questioning his manhood and sexuality.
>>741447037>he didn't watch sono bique doll
>>741438310It's almost like they're mentally ill or something.
>>741447037Kids/teens bullying each other for retarded reasons is a thing worldwide.
>>741447267Did you? The bitch was just had a childish tantrum over the fact that gojou didn't give her as much as attention as the dolls, rather than some inherent hatred for this sort of craft.
>>741437156"Kanji is gay" has evolved into "Kanji is bisexual".
>have to spend the night with a potentially gay person>THEY'RE GOING TO RAPE ME
>>741447179I can't remember i only played the OG 10 years. I do not entertain bullshit so when they started slapping more shit in later releases I never played them. Iirc yosuke was a pretty bitchy queen himself and no one liked him because his dad's shitty big box store was fucking up the town's vibe (far more understandable a source of friction than wanting to work with textiles).And wasn't Kanji's family involved in the textile industry? Iirc his grandmother was a textile worker implying it was a generational occupation. Why would he be seriously bullied for that? Don't japs love that shit? Wouldn't he be the one making all the robes and cultural garments they all worship and want to wear to festivals and whatnot? If anything he'd probably be somewhat popular with girls since he's tall, capable of violence, and would have access to things they want.
>>7414410892 MALE signs, you gigantic retard, because his entire arc is interpreting masculinity in a way that doesn't disqualify 'feminine' hobbies.
>Character is called "Kanji" because he is hard for foreigners to comprehendBravo.
>>741447421I meant how gojou was insecure about his interest and crafting dolls and sewing and shit
>>741447553Kino...
>>741447553I see hideo and kojima are finally back together.
>>741447445in what reality do you live in where bisexual men aren't seen as gay? it's even taboo to come out as bi as a man in western leftist circles for big celebrities. fucking pedro pascal isn't even out of the closet publicly. bi = gay for men.
>>741447586He isn't insecure so much as he just has trauma over that childish spat. He becomes distant in his relationships with other people, other than his grandpa, also reclusive but it's not like he ever really stopped working on hina dolls.
>>741447886almost reclusive*
Man, Naoto's dungeon and shadow is gonna be an absolute shit-flinging fuck-fest.
>>741448584Nah, kanji's stuff is more contentious.
>>741441967>SasukeSAUCE SU KAY?!
Japanese writers have to hide LGBT stuff so deep to get things released that its impossible for anyone to interpret.
>>741447461he is very rapeable.
>>741449604You and a majority of people playing the game being midwits doesn't have much to do with the writer's intentions.
>>741449604Persona 4's LGBT topics are incredibly blatant and easy to interpret yet retarded secondaries and playthrough cuckolds still manage to get it completely wrong to this day.
>>741449604Being a retard that misses the themes being told to upfront is a (you) issue
>>741449820Thinking it's lgbt makes you a retarded secondary though.
>>741449965Gay panic and grass is greener on the other side during your teenage years ARE LGBT topics, even if just tangentially, but I can understand not wanting to admit to this fact because last thing you want is the LGBT folks getting their hands on them and brainwashing them.
>>741450128>trannies still thinking everything in the world relates exclusively to themOuch.
>>741450237You're so fucking stupid it hurts: kids misunderstanding their own feelings thinking they might be gay or they should be the other sex are related to LGBT, even if ultimately the full extent of it in-game is "no, you aren't, you're just young and retarded", which is why the actual faggots fucking SEETHE so much about P4 and aim to change it and twist the narrative so much.
>>741450392>xir STILL does get the point Ngmi
>>741450392>ultimately the full extent of it in-game is "no, you aren't, you're just young and retarded"You're shooting down your own argument because that's exactly how the majority of people experience their teenage years, and why making it exclusively about trannies and faggots is retarded. And that's seen in basically each of the main characters in persona 4, it's just insecurity brought forth by being a retarded teenager. The themes, as varied as they are, stem from the same source that isn't exclusive to lgbt.The theories of carl jung around collective unconscious, which the series take much inspiration from and even more so for p4, even reframe personal sexuality as the expectation of the other sex rather than just being a self contained sexual preference.
>>741451074The only argument I made is correctly calling Naoto and Kanji's struggles LGBT topics, even though neither of them can remotely be labeled as such because as you said, these themes aren't exclusive to the LGBT.
>>741451251>I correctly call them lgbt topics>except they aren'tIf they are not exclusive to lgbt, then by definition they aren't lgbt topics. I don't know how else to tell you this.
>>741451390I don't know how else to tell you this but there can be an overlap. They are not EXCLUSIVELY lgbt topics but they are very common themes of lgbt focused media.If you think theme categories in fiction are strongly segmented you are retarded.
>>741451390How is a struggle of percieved sexual orientation NOT an LGBT topic? Even if it involves a perfectly normal, straight teenager who's being overwhelmed by external factors that have fuckall to do with sex, the crux of the issue IS him thinking that, potentially, he might be homosexual.Thinking these issues can't affect ANYONE who isn't LGBT is EXACTLY why we're having such dogshit modern gender and sexual discourse, because you're immediately labeled a homo AND brought to someone from the LGBT to sort you out, which is how we get groomers.
>>741437156Should I just play Golden instead of waiting for Revival?
>>741442123> It in fact has nothing to do with his sexuality.>”Just ignore the Shadow’s zesty dialogue and steambath map for my argument to work pl0x”
>>741451770>but they are very common themes of lgbt focused mediaWe aren't talking about the media though, and frankly considering how retarded the whole lot of it has become over the years, giving them any credance over the categorization they have on topics is beyond retarded.>>741451851Because teenage experiences are about understanding and sorting their own new founds thoughts, not making everything about what flavour of hole your dick want to live in. >thinking these issues can't affect ANYONE who isn't LGBT is EXACTLYOther way around actually, it's because trannies think only they have exclusive access to teenage insecurity over sexual topics.>because you're immediately labeled a homoNot seeing an issue with that.>AND brought to someone from the LGBTThat I have an issue with.Calling it any teenage sexuality, lgbt topics like the previous poster was arguing, is the exact problem you are bringing up, that it's automatically labelled lgbt and pushed to whatever comes with it.
Persona 4 is the worst persona and has the most "I am 15 and this is deep" fanbase ever. Nobody cares about the actual game, just arguing about the "message"
>>741452470The dungeons aren't direct representations of the characters thoughts however, but they are the collective unconscious given form throught the midnight channel which is itself the general collective unconscious.Zesty kanji is how other people subconsciously perceive him, his shadow is that representation given human form and the persona is how he now perceives himself after defeating that representation.
>>741452913Game's pretty standard so it's not exactly a surprise no one wants to talk directly about gameplay.
>>741437156because retarded speedreaders kept thinking he was gay, just like how they thought naoto is trans
>>741452531>"it's because trannies think only they have exclusive access to teenage insecurity over sexual topics.">because you're immediately labeled a homo>Not seeing an issue with that.Bravo Vince. Read my previous post again, there is no need to add anything more.
persona 4 was never good, even 5 is better than 4, 3 at least had some roots on the original two. And don't get me started on golden and marie
>>741453482If you can't make a coherent argument beyond "read it again because it makes sense in my mind", then I don't think I will.Being arbitrarily called gay is basic teenage prejudice toward stuff they either don't understand or simply don't care about. That doesn't make it a reality if it wasn't for the fact that you now have whole programs in place to convince kids that they are in fact gay or whatever.
>>741453828By your logic, gay panic HAS to be an LGBT topic, which HAS to make Kanji a member of the LGBT. You're employing the same absolutist logic that gives power to the people we both hate, and you're too retarded to see it.What you and trannies seem unable to comprehend is that people who aren't faggots can talk about topics of faggotry with other people who aren't faggots, which is ultimately what you and Kanji do during his SLink. This entire fucking retarded conversation is proof of it.
>>741454263How do you define "gay panic"?>that people who aren't faggots can talk about topics of faggotry with other people who aren't faggotsNo, that is my position, and on the contrary it's one of the other poster trying to label stuff "lgbt topics" who is trying to make everything about trannies.
>>741452930That's only how it works in Persona 5 you mong, the dungeons in 4 are all about the characters
>>741438310Begs the question, would a tranny on a secluded island with no one else around bother to transition?
>>741454483I'm the other poster you mouthbreather, and I'm literally trying to make you understand that just because a topic is LGBT it doesn't bar anyone from helping someone who might be going through it.
>>741437156>Have 1 singular office in California>Every modern game is pozzed in some wayWhy?
>>741454629All the dungeons in 4 happen when you enter the midnight channel, which is explicitly states to be the collective unconscious later in the game.
>>741454263You literally don't understand what he is saying you moron, everything he says is true, trooners hate what P4 actually tells you because it denies their delusions, they want P4 to be accepting of their grooming nonsense when instead it's basically a game about detransitioning being good, putting it in a way you will understand
>>741441238>He struggling with the idea that he might like men because he likes sewing.Also because he's attracted to a woman passing herself off as a man.
>>741437156lol the other "is Kanji gay" flamebait thread JUST died, and here comes the next.In short: Kanji is straight, struggles with his masculinity / social expectations thereof, because he gets a lot of shit for his sensitive side and "girly" hobbies, thus he overcompensates.I don't like the symbol change much, but again, the sensitive side is "girl" coded in the society he lives in and reflects the shit he gets, so it fits.No, he's not gay, no, he's not bi, and anyone who claims anything else has never played the game or is actually too retarded to understand what is being *explicitly* said in it.PS Naoto is a "she", and not trans, Carolyn. Just stop having opinions.
>>741454673Then your reasoning is wrong. If some topics aren't exclusive to lgbt, then they are just sexuality topics. Giving prevalence to the lgbt part of it by calling them lgbt is what pushes lgbt at the forefront and eclipsing the broader topic.I think it would be easier if you gave a concrete example of what you would, using your own definition, consider a lgbt topic.
>>741454729The collective unconscious is still not how they portray it in 5 with the metaverse, the dungeons in 4 are about the main characters. Actually the palaces are also about how the individual in them sees the world and themselves rather than how the world views them. It's also the reason why I hate that futaba got a mask like the others when she obtained her persona, she got it by accepting her shadow like in the P4 way, it would have been better if they had realized what they were doing
>>741454816You fags sure are quiet about talking about Mitsuo
>>741454969>I think it would be easier if you gave a concrete example of what you would, using your own definition, consider a lgbt topic.Orientation, as mentioned in >>741451851 which I urged you to read again but you dismissed it.
>>741447461Yosuke has always been the flaming lala homoman
>>741437319Intredasting
>>741455049NTA but I see threads about Mitsuo like every other week
>>741455014>the dungeons in 4 are about the main characters.They are about the character as perceived by the collective unconscious.The personas are the characters' real self while thedungeons are the perception that the collective unconscious wrongfully impose on each of them. The shadow characters are the distorted inbetween the perception of the collective unconscious and their own self perception.
>>741438310Deep down they're just the same as radical conservatives really
>>741455052Sexual orientation is a general sexuality topic, no matter how much the lgbt crowd pretend they have exclusive decision making over.You say you don't want lgbt to have complete control over some topics but you are doing just that by labelling them lgbt topics in the first place.
>>741455520It isn't: when I'm discussing how to go balls deep into pussy with severe phimosis or what temperature to microwave a banana at to make it feel like a pussy I don't want to know that you were a member of the D-Club and longingly look back to those days. Orientation is an LGBT issue, of whom any mature, nuanced adult can give insight on, regardless of orientation. Trannies and faggots can seethe to this fact, and you can seethe alongside them.
>>741455052well it's not *just* a lbgtq (lol t doesn't even factor in) topic is the thing. Because orientation includes heterosexuality, which is ~90% of people. And those aren't lgbtq.
>>741437340>Kanji is a bisexualPlay the game, retard
>>741437156>retards were saying that they wouldn't change kanjiYeah sure lol
>>741456183someone needs to make the Naoto thread to really stoke the fires
>>741455423Dude you're responding to makes a baseless claim and you just assume he is right and then complain they're just as bad as their enemies based on this fake scenario.I dunno man. Something about that feels fake.
>>741456416> Something about that feels fake.On the internet?? on /v/???say it ain't so
>>741456000We are fundamentally agreeing but I think we have a difference in perception.Please tell me if I'm wrong.Your belief is that the lgbt crowd already had complete control over some topics and the way forward is to force them to open those topics to the general population.My belief is that no topic was ever lgbt specific, outside of maybe how to treat your shit smelling axe wound, and therefore there is only a need to prevent the lgbt crowd to gain complete control over it.If that's the case, you are either young and have only known the world as it has been in the past decade or two, or you are old and have your head so far up your ass, you decided to give up on the world and only now trying to reverse course because it became too retarded even for you.
>>741456103Kanji is for Yu
>>741456416Yes, I am saying you trannies are the same as those incel chuds you hate. Just different flavored retards.
Persona 4 not only is the best and shortest but is easily the deepest and it being deep is why it mogs the other 2Persona 5 is the most shallow with MUH SOCIETY MUH CORRUPTION. There is no interesting conflict other than DUURRR IS CHANGING HEARTS...LE BAD? Akechi was a poor mans Adachi without the depth and the P5 cast was a poor mans 4 Persona 3s themes were great but it was mainly just about confronting death and not much elsePersona 4s is still to this day being talked about. People STILL dont understand what Persona 4 is talking about and endlessly debate about it and adachi being a deep and perfect villain puts the cherry ontop of it having the best story, themes and depth. And thats not counting the fact it has the best cast and best location in the series (and almost in any game). P4 is pure kino and I cant wait for retarded xitter and reddit tards get filtered
>>741456517My belief is that the topic of orientation was open to the general populace, as is evident by P4 tackling it, despite being by definition an LGBT topic as orientation inevitably discusses potential abnormalities from the norm, IE potential LGBT identity, but there has been a very aggressive and artificial push by the LGBT+ lobby to bar anyone but them from giving their opinion on the matter, which is repulsive.
>>741457247Then we disagree about what constitute a lgbt topic or not. Though as I already, we ultimately agree that no, or almost no, topic should be restricted exclusively to lgbt people.
he obviously thinks being a chud is peak manliness but then he's a wimp who likes cute shit which makes him feel less than a manliking cute shit don't make you less of a man, taking it in the ass does
>>741457462Getting pegged by Chie while I fuck Yukiko is very manly.
>>741437156Probably because they got sick of retards 'interpreting' him as being gay.
>>741457424Took you long enough. Now all you need to do is bring up your gay experience in college while your coworkers are discussing their erectile dysfunctionality and bask in their strange looks so you understand how matters of orientation and matters of general sexuality are different.
>>741457556yeah, now they're going to interpret him as trans
>>741457736Maybe, but it's a harder sell since Naoto is still there
>>741457685>Took you long enough.I already realized quite a while ago but our disagreement on the definition will not go away. If you had realized earlier, we wouldn't have needed to argue about it in the first place.
>>741456416>Something about that feels fakeCouldn't be any faker than your gender identity.
Please motivate me to play Persona 4 Golden on my Vita.I bought it on release but never played it. Started it, but the game never picked up after 1 hour of dialogue.
>>741458014I'm sure the guy who broke down my beliefs, only to be told he had it completely upside down had it all figured out ages ago.
>>741458380Because you're retarded and terrible at explaining yourself.
>still kanji discourse after all these yearsit's all so tiresome
>>741458593Yes Anon, of course.
>>741458596Rumor is Teddie and Naoto are voiced by trannies in English so enjoy a new layer of hell
>>741458810Yes indeed.
>>741458828Naoto sounds normal in the trailerTeddie though...fuck man I hope not
Isn't the shadow supposed to be gratuitously gay, because that's how he's afraid to be seen?what the fuck does it mean now?
>>741459610>>741454961
it was funnier with two male symbols, so this change sucks
>>741437156He trans now.
>>741459667yes, but the shadow represents fears of how they don't wish to be or don't wish to be seen.Male + male = gayMale + female = heterosexualSo he's scared of people thinking he's heterosexual now?
>>741437156Kanji is not a difficult character to understand yet retards pen that he’s gay because of NaotoHis mom is featured heavily in the story because his whole thing is “being the man of the house”He cares about his mother and her illness, and he feels responsible for taking care of her and the business, which is actually something he wants to doBut the sewing/fabrics contrast with a typical macho man ideal, so he doesn’t know how to cope and instead lashes out to prove that he’s a tough guy because tough guys can take care of everyone
>>741459791I think it's more that he holds male and female parts, which is what he does not want - he wants to be accepted as a man, even if others tell him that what he likes is "girly"
>>741437156Oh look another demake that retarded goycattle will slurp up
>>741459872so why wasn't it like that in the original game?
>>741459924Idk, ask the writers. It's not like the original is some flawless masterpiece that executed everything perfectly. Like I said, it fits his conflict more clearly imo - just ignore the fags that bend over backwards to make this "evidence" for him being gay or w/e
>>741460050The point is he was afraid of looking gay. not that he was gay, though.
>>741460158that's only a tiny part of it, the main conflict is about masculinity and expectations of manliness. The "gay" shit only a result of that: likes "girly" things -> not a real man -> lmao gay. That's why he overcompensates with aggression and posturing etc. Remember?
>>741460050>It's not like the original is some flawless masterpieceRetarded strawman. Remakes should not change the meaning of ANYTHING in the original.
