https://archive.ph/wip/wwIk4>Japanese comedian and YouTuber Eiko Kano, famous for his spectacularly chaotic playthroughs of the Resident Evil series, recently talked about an exchange he had with Shinji Mikami – director of the original RE and RE4 – on the topic of playthrough videos and gaming streams. >As reported by Nikkan, on June 18, Kano appeared on a TV program dedicated to sharing “badass” anecdotes from his life, and the moment he looked back on as exceptionally cool was his encounter with Mikami. Gaming streams can be a sensitive topic among game developers (particularly in Japan), with opinions divided on whether they’re simply a beneficial form of “free marketing,” or conversely, lead to a loss of opportunity as people “consume” games through viewing and don’t end up buying them. Given these circumstances, Kano had been concerned about his own streaming activities at the time. >Although he had explicit permission from Capcom, the fact that he was essentially spoiling the stories and puzzles of Resident Evil titles made him anxious about whether the creators behind them felt uncomfortable with it. When he later got an opportunity to meet Mikami in person, he decided to ask him directly about his stance. Although Kano was fully prepared to stop streaming if he got a negative answer, Mikami reportedly responded, “If viewers watch a playthrough of a game all the way to the end and are satisfied with just that, then it was only that good of a game.”
>>741442867Persona fags are in SHAMBLES
>>741442867First Light bros?...our response?...
Based Mikami
Does Mikami understand most REfags don't play the games?
Based Japanese boomer dev calling out fake posersFake RE fans in SHAMBLES
>>741442867the tiktok RE fanbase is going to hate this
>>741442867Based. RE "fans" in shambles.
>if they are fine with just watching it, the game isnt good enoughwait, how does this call out fake gamers?
silent hill fans in shambles
tiktok zoomoidtroons are NOT gonna like this take...
>>741443465This, he clearly targeted a specific community, zooms just don't remember the rivalry anymore
>>741443436There's a vocal minority of "people" who claim to have a favorite game despite never playing it.
>>741443661Not a minority, especially for RE.
>>741443661>love deadly premonition>beaten it multiple times>the community is people who played it long enough to understand some memes and that's itIts painful desu
Fake gaemers BTFO.
>>741443661Persona niggers.
>>741443661Earthbound niggers
>>741443661You like pussy but never fucked one, so what does that make you?
It's bizarre how RE, a franchise with some of the most acclaimed and celebrated games ever, is now accused of having an apparently enormous chunk of the fanbase that has never touched the games. It's like talking about another dimension.
>If-ah prayah can get-oh arru they need from just-oh YouTube then-ah you game SHITTO
Should this even be considered a hot take? He didn't even call streamer games bad, just that they've kind of failed at making compelling gameplay if you're happy to just watch
>>741442867>calls out fake gamers>quote is "if watchign a playthough is enough, the game wasn't good enough"Sounds to me like this is calling out shitty linear stories with no variety.If you can't have at least 5 endings and several alternate / hidden dialogues or paths in a playthrough, then the game isn't a game, it's a walking sim movie game... which is ironic, considering shit like Until Dawn has more story, dialogue and path variety than nu-Resident Evil
>>741443976Those games might as well not exist until they get remade. The modern audience doesn't give a shit about classics, no matter how good they are.
>>741443465But SH is good the 100th time like the first time, RE is slop that wasn't good even the first time.Yeah, we all know Mary is dead, so what? The game is always amazing.
>>741443976It mostly comes from twitter discourse granted it IS a problem if your fanbase consist of people who didn't actually fucking play the game they're talking about See: Persona
>>741443976>It's bizarre how RE, a franchise with some of the most acclaimed and celebrated games ever, Almost like that notion is completely based on hearsay. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
>>741442867He's not criticizing fans for watching youtube play throughs, he's criticizing the people that make the product
>>741443885A sex professional, of course
This problem only arose after zoomers grew older
>>741444073>But SH is good the 100th time like the first timeNot sure what you're trying to say but SH4 is absolutely not a good game to actually play. It is a good game to watch a playthrough of
>>741442867RE has been vastly overrated since 1-3, the real og story, and I didn't like 4. 5-6 were only fun due to coop and 9 is overrated movie zoomer hype trash lOMG its Tofu!! you didn't even play 3 shut up poser.
>>741444157The impact and influence of RE1, 2 and 4 is not hearsay. You should be familiar with and play these titles if you have any interest in video games as a whole, even if you end up not enjoying them. Calling yourself a RE fan and never touching them is straight up lunacy.
>>741443661In order of magnitude of the problem: Primarily Resident Evil and Persona, followed by Earthbound/Mother, Silent Hill, MGS
>>741444157NTA but RE has ALWAYS been one of the highest selling video game series out there. You're straight up retarded if you don't think otherwiseRE4 alone influenced the entire TPS genre
>>741444529>Calling yourself a RE fan and never touching them is straight up lunacy.TRVKE
when i play videogames i like to keep a second window with a streamer so i don't feel lonelyis that okay
>>741444398Says the dude with a ff7 remake aerith pic
>>741444664>ALWAYS been one of the highest selling video game series out thereIt was kinda dead in 2010s. Revs were niche, 6 and 7 did well but weren't the highest selling video games ever exactly. RE2R brought RE back
>>741442867>Japanese comedian and YouTuberI can't think of a more useless combination of things when it comes to videogame opinions
>>741444707I do that with gachas and podcasts because gachas have so much downtime and grind. Why would you do that with AAA SP games though, they demand your full attention
>>741442867I have only played RE3 when I was a child but have watched playthroughs of all the other games except 5 and 6
>>741444830>RE2R brought RE back>not 7
the female part of the fanbase only goons to Leon and that's valid
>>741444529Welcome to the mental ward, you're out of touch. Even here it's extremely apparent none of the people posting about RE have played it, and I'm not even referring to the overbearing Capcom marketing firm presence, the genuine human being posters.
>>741444610I'd be quicker to believe a Persona fan, at least a P3-5 fan, played those games than I would a Mother fan. Touhou is the king of the hill in any case.
>MGSV when everyone expected MGS5>REVR when everyone expected RE5R/v/ has cum too
>>741444707I imagine this is like when you were a kid and friends/siblings would play games together like this. One actually playing and the other just hanging out and talking.
>>741444894No not 7, 7 sold pretty poorly initially. RE2R hype helped it sell better later onI liked the game but it wasn't really a huge hit
>>7414449422hu barely counts but only because being a shump is an automatic filter
>>741445083It's a very forgiving shmup with all sorts of assists though, people just like to pretend it's hard but if you want to just clear it you can easily clear it
>>741442867Mikami is based he is against censorship of CERO also and many good takes. Suda sometimes too unlike many jap cucks.
>>741444894I have no clue what the sales for those games are but RE2R is clearly the better game
>>741442867Hurrah!!!zoomdrone BTFO!!!nu RE """FANS""" BTFO!!!
>>741442867>FATHER OF RESIDENT EVIL>mikami
>>741445212Yes.
>>741442867>Although Kano was fully prepared to stop streaming if he got a negative answer,jesus the absolute state
>>741442867tldr pls
>>741445304Japs are mentally ill
>>741442867Guess RE9 is shit then because I still haven't bought it or a PS5 and just watched someone else play it. I saved money.
>>741442867Shinji Mikami is a fucking HACK, how could this bloody bastard not direct the sequel to his own game, he gave the role to a fucking new guy that only worked on the DLC and he completely fucked it up while he did some background work without taking the blame.
>>741443976Capcom's caused this with RE7. It was streamer slop. People who couldn't give less of a shit about the games beyond their popularity.
>>741443885A gacha player
>>741442867Mikami keeps proving he's one of the best artists in the industry. I love that guy.
It's hard to draw the ethical line of game-streaming. If you're going to have any standard, you'd have to call full playthroughs of VNs and walking simulators definitely unacceptable, because you're just putting the total meaningful experience of the game right there in a VOD, basically the same as a movie or TV show. I think story in general probably should be out-of-bounds. If you want to stream something like Resident Evil, you should probably stop before the halfway point. Otherwise you are just selfishly stealing it for yourself.Not that Twitch shitheads would care, they just want to freeboot everything they can get away with.
>>741445894I want another Evil Within directed by him. :(
>>741442867Based and correct. I don't understand the appeal of watching video game footage with the intent of actually enjoying said game. I get it if you're doing a bit of personal research, like determining what gameplay looks like or if you're stuck on a certain part, but actually experiencing the game in that manner is some kind of generational divide that is beyond me. If I give a shit about a game, I'll get around to playing it. Simple.
>>741442867He's absolutely correct. It's fine to watch others play a game online, but it speaks volumes about the game's quality if the person watching has no interest in picking it up themselves. Streams function as free advertising for video games, and if those streams show off the game and the people watching it don't feel like playing it, then that's a problem.The whole point is that the game looks appealing enough for you, the average video game player, that you would go out of your way to pick it up. I'm pretty sure all those RE4 videos that were made like 15 - 20 years ago were the reason I ended up playing it later in life because the game just looked fun. And what do you know, it ended up being one of the best games I've ever played in my life because Mikami's team knew what made a video game fun to play.Similar to what >>741445962 just mentioned, watching someone else play something is basically a form of research.
>>741444707I do this too, but for a different reason
>>741442867I always liked Mikami, nice to know he continues to give me reasons to like him. Also posers I mean """resident evil fans""" on suicide watch.
>>741442867 Some people just can’t play horrors.The scary moments are far more thrilling when you’re in control and especially in first person, for some it’s too much to be enjoyable.Which is totally fine, this is why lets players and streamers exist.Pretty tired of gatekeeping assholes trying to stop people enjoying media however they like.Edit: Gatekeeping morons are out in force in this thread.We should apply this thinking to sports too, if you’re not playing a weekly game of football/basketball/hockey etc you’re not allowed to be a fan.
>>741442867>if watching a playthrough is enough, the game wasn't good enoughMaybe release it for all platforms. Japan has such cool games but they're all locked for 2 consoles and no PC release.
>>741446354There's a wonderful technology called emulation anon
>>741443661Me with GTA 5. Watched walkthroughs, all the side content, map exploration videos, for GTA Online I watched basically mission guides for every single fucking thing in the game for all the content that was added since 2013 until 2025 when I started playing it. My friends asked me how the fuck do I know how to optimally grind Cayo, the Casino glitches and more. I told them I just watched tons of videos and learned everything about the game before playing itbecause my pc was too shit to run it
>>741443976>>741444157>>741444529The real issue is that there's nothing to like about RE if you aren't playing the games themselves. They don't really have a story or actual characters, the appeal is entirely in the gameplay. There's nothing else there.It's like watching a Pac-Man longplay.
>>741444707I only do that if the game doesn't take up most of my attention such as grinding in a jrpg.
>>741442867A genuinely based statement from one of the last few of the old guardStreamers are playing a crucial role in killing gaming, and anyone who participates (watching or performing), should feel real fucking responsible Not entirely, there's too many hands in that cookie jar, but they've done their share of damage>>741443162Any "fanbase" that's never played any of the older games, or just watches like mouthbreathers can go fuck themselves
why would i watch a "game" movie twice lmao
>>741442867Watching GCCX got me to try some games because they looked fun. And for the ones which didn't look as fun, watching Arino fumble through them was indeed enough.
>>741446610>They don't really have a story or actual charactersHoly retard BatmanThe original trilogy had both, that's party why they were loved so much.
>>741447576People loved them because of the gameplay.Nobody really gave a shit about the story, which is why the most successful games in the series basically have no story.
>>741447051You misunderstood. It's not the people's fault, it's the developer's. Make shitty product, you get what you deserve.
>>741447628You should crawl back under your rock instead of trying and failing to rewrite history.
>>741442867>shriveled up boomer yells at clouds
>>741442867>GOD FATHER OF RESIDENT EVIL CALLS OUT FAKE GAMERSbawkbasoup didn't do that
This is a direct jab at RE9 and how nu-Capcom makes games targeted towards streamers btw
I'm in my mid 30s and have been playing the series since the beginning.
>>741446289I cannot fathom the amount of self-loathing and powerlessness a "man" must have to turn out like (You).
>>741443661final fantasy niggers
>he says it's fine >ZOOMERS BTFO? he literally said it's fine and if people are happy with that then it's good enough
>>741447869Yup. RE7 onwards has all been streamer targeted stuff. Mikami was always into gameplay heavy stuff. RE9 actually makes reference to several elements from Evil Within 1. Capcom seethe probably.https://youtu.be/KRt1-wJ3JCghttps://youtu.be/G-2xr_5JV7A
>>741444364Why?
Pewdiepie making a lot of money for some $10 indie games doesn't mean the same advertising strategy will work for $80 AAA. Most of them are too complicated for somebody who can only play an hour a day and may have to stop playing for a week. Watching them an hour a day on YouTube or binge watching on the weekend is the way to go. RE9 is a rare exception since its default difficulty and save system was not designed for professional streamers only. It also avoided woke propaganda that the YouTube console can quickly fast forward through.
>>741442867I never understood watching a full playthrough and then deciding to play the game, it doesn't make any sense at all to me. Sure the games might be replayable, but the first time is always special and now you've robbed yourself of that. I only watch streams of games I've already played, or were never going to bother with myself anyway.
>>741447715>trying and failing to rewrite historyNo, this is just history.Nobody really cared about Resident Evil's story. The game's creator literally didn't think story was necessary, he's the guy we're talking about in this very thread. Most people think RE is a zombie apocalypse series when that only happens in the films, because nobody really cares about the story.
>>741442867Telltalebtos...our response?
In my mind I've creampied all Touhou girls but haven't touched a single game yet
>>741448752I don't consider myself a 2hu fan but I've beaten Luna Nights and played EoSD for about 5 minutes.
Did you?
>>741442867Lmao he is seething his last games are flopping
>>741446070More like the new gen rather watch over play
>REfaggots BTFO>Personafags BTFO>Undertale faggots BTFO>Touhou faggots BTFO>Sony faggots BTFOThank you Mikami!
i'm honestly shocked at the amount of people who will watch horror but not play the horror
>>741442867what a chad
>>741442867True.I watched a playthrough of RE9 and didn't see anything about it that seemed fun enough to warrant me paying 70€ to play it.
>>741442867>CALLS OUT FAKE GAMERSLiterally the opposite. Maybe you should actually read what you post.
>>741443436RE3 remake sold 20 million btw.
Nah, he's right though, and this is why JRPGs kind of suck on the whole. No one plays them to engage with the actual gameplay. I see a really good game being played on stream and I'm like "shit, I want to play this".
>>741452548It's sitting at about 13.5 as of last report. That is still profoundly depressing.
>>741443976It's not RE specific it's more just a long running dialogue about video games vis-a-vis streaming, especially with companies like Atlus that are notorious about corporate streaming restrictions and would often only let people stream up to a certain point in their game.It's just that we're getting Resident Evil games annually nowadays and especially any Leon game is going to be popular streamer material so everybody's going to be conscious of "is people streaming this going to cost us sales."Especially like >>741443000 pointed out a lot of this debate heated up around Persona 5.
>>741442867Damn he just destroyed every sony game with that sentence.
>>741442867he is right, didnt play a moviegame once but watched it besides playing other games.Why? only to know whats about and for shittalkI wonder if GTA will have fun gameplay
>>741442867>if it's enough, it's enough!
>>741444071This is real. They’re the kind of troglodytes who can’t even go back to the PS2 gen without freaking out about graphical differences.
>>741442867Does that mean I actually have to play the game to goon to Ada?
>>741443661So most of /v/?
>spoiling the stories>video game storiesA half-rung above pr0n.
>japs truly believe watching a stream is the same as piratinglol
>>741454176>2026>saying "pr0n">pretending games don't sometimes have better writing than movies nowWhat are you doing?Why are you pretending it's 1999?Are you really fucking old, or is this some ironic zoomer thing?
>>741442867it’s like pirates and piracy people who just watch a stream or YT longplay are people who had no interest in buying it in the first place because too poor or would just pirate it anyway
>>741444707No, it's not. ADHD zoomer.
>>741442867>Mikami reportedly responded, “If viewers watch a playthrough of a game all the way to the end and are satisfied with just that, then it was only that good of a game.”Sounds more like he is calling out developers and publishers to me.
>>741442867He's right tho, only braindead contrarian retards who'd misconstrue what he says would disagree.
>>741455834yeah because the modern vidya industry is dogshit
we need to talk about the literacy crisis that's affecting /v/
>>741443976You can thank RE 4 for that
>>741443976You can thank the demakes for that.
>>741442867How could this happen? The people have spoken...
>>741456364I would hardly call those "people"
>>741456364>peopleMore like parasites.
>/v/ thinks it doesn't apply to them>even though watching a game is closer to being a "real gamer" than looking at article headlines and twitter screencaps and screeching about games you've never played nor seen
>>741442867>solve this bullshit puzzle on your own going back and forth while wasting ammo you're an idiot if you watched a playthrough you must waste hours on itle great capcom
Finally platinum'd RE8, mercenaries weren't even that bad with DLC characters.What now?
>>741456658The pay better be fucking good to deal with bullshit like this on your job.
>>741442867Is he calling out fake gamers or fake games? Because it seems to me to be the latter.
>>741456735>Because it seems to me to be the latter.Play the fucking game, zoomoid.
>>741456686I hated RE8 mercenary mode so fucking much I refused to even get the unlock from it
>>741456905I had to take a break for 2 weeks because of factory, it was driving me fucking crazy, other stages aren't that bad.
>>741456776>“If viewers watch a playthrough of a game all the way to the end and are satisfied with just that, then it was only that good of a game.”Just say you're illiterate next time so I don't have to waste my valuable time correcting you.
>>741456364>1.5k non-gamer votes
>>741442867>“If viewers watch a playthrough of a game all the way to the end and are satisfied with just that, then it was only that good of a game.”good take.
>>741443719>dey be gatekeepan de fandom?
>>741442867Fucking based, mikami is such a GOD (hand)
>>741442867Mikami just doesn't miss
>>741442867I can see where Mikami is coming from, even if I don't agree with it.I think to truly get an opinion, you need to play the title yourself to see if the gameplay systems/etc. works for you. The story/characters/etc. is just a film if you watch others play it without trying the gameplay yourself and at that point: why not just cut the middleman out and watch films if you're going to just passively watch a game?
>>741446289Lots of sports fans did play sports growing up, and there are more barriers to playing a sport as you age, than there are to playing a video game. Stop being a worthless pussy and play your own vidya.
>>741446289faggot
>>741442867He's right. The thing about watching a playthrough is that psychologically. you're getting a half-experience of actually playing the game. You're imagining what it would be like to be the streamer. If you actually play the game, this can be interesting, because you get to see a different mind show a different approach.If you're imagining being kinda bored or annoyed, of course you're going to be satisfied sitting in the stands. If it looks exciting, interesting, or relaxing, you're going to want the full experience.
>>741442867Larpers in shambles
>>741442867I'm pretty sure he is calling out bad games and not the gamers?
>>741447051The issue is that gaming is so saturated with mid that watching streamers is more entertaining.
>>741456364When games becomes unaffordable, you get this
>>741460846This. I'd love to play Resident Evil 4 but it's just too expensive but watching games is free.
>>741458458
>>741444707just talk to your wife while you play dude
The entire discourse is beyond dumb. Didn't this originally start because some poor third worlder can't afford fucking Undertale? Like I agree that you can't truly appreciate something unless you actually experience it yourself, but how the hell did we reach this point that Mikami is stating his opinoin?
>>741444707>is that okaywhat? being an attention whoring liar such as yourself? no, it's not okay
watching a playthrough is like cückholding but with videogames
I stream videogames ONLY to my husband and only games he wouldn’t play.Is this bad?Right now I’ve been streaming the Elliot game to him.
>>741462382Pirating a game is cuckolding the devs
what about VNs tho, and other story heavy games like quantic dream and telltale stuff?doesn't watching a playthrough essentially give you the same experience as playing them yourself?
games that ppl wanna passively watch are good
>>741442867Isn't he calling out bad games?
By this retarded logic watching porn means the real thing is not good enough or something
He's just shit talking modern devs for making games where people can get everything from just watching the game on youtube. He's not shitting on the people watching, its the devs he's shitting on for making movie games.
Reminder RE7 caused this by being a retarded shit streamer game like Outlast and bringing in a bunch of new "fans" who are just eceleb watching retards.
>>741442867>"CALLS OUT FAKE GAMERS">look inside>calls out moviegames and games only worth watching out people play
Was Evil Within not kinda a movie game? It felt less gameplay focused than his older games.
>>741444707Cook yourself an egg, it can keep you company.
>>741443135Bro. The game being popular with nongamers is invaluable.
Is it possible to make a game that's extremely fun to play but absolutely horrible to watch?
>>741466225Only the prologue, the rest of the game is pretty hands off
>>741446070>all those RE4 videos that were made like 15 - 20 years agolike this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Enjgn8ILYc
>>741467389Shit like Factorio can be fun to play if you're autistic but they're dogshit to watch.
>>741442867>“If viewers watch a playthrough of a game all the way to the end and are satisfied with just that, then it was only that good of a game.”And thats the problem with games that are primarily based on story. The FF7 Revelation director said something similar recently, that you have to give a potential player a game worth playing themselves over them just watching someone streaming it. To him, that means making sufficient choices available so that playthrough can he different to each other, but even that can just be put in a youtube video.
Reminder to keyboard fags that you to are fake gamers too you didn't beat RE4 if you used a mouse and made the experience easier for yourself
>>741467389Post Void
>>74146738999% of games are boring to watch. People watch streamers for the streamer personality. The game itself rarely matters.
>>741469261I'm a KBM gigachad but I agree, this game is meant for controller
>>741444707I can watch you play the game anon
>>741469261>didn't beat the game using rock band drumsDidn't beat the game.
>>741442867Keyed
Fake gamers could be here.
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