I thought ff13 was bad? explain yourself /v/
>>741450174It was always good. Gaming boomers are just mad that games change to stay relevant to the youngest generation and not themselves. Get over yourself, grandpa.
>>741450174You misheard, i said i want to bed Vanille.
Everybody’s favorite is their first
>>741450174Sex with Fang
FF13 has very great art design and music but it's just not a good game. I kind wish you could fix the game to not have such shitty level design, annoying characters, and combat that has 2 difficulties of too automated and braindead and actually challenging
We reached the point where modern video games are so shit that games 10+ years ago we all called shit back then are now suddenly good. Why? Because old good new bad. FF12 is good when FF13 came out. FF13 is good when FF15 came out. FF15 is good when FF16 came out. Final Fantasy is best example of this next to Zelda.
>>741450454fang should've been the seifer of the game and should've of rode around with cid and his army fucking you over every now and then. It feels like they designed her and her backstory with being lightning's rival in mind and didn't do anything with it. cid and his goon (forgot his name) where also wasted characters that did nothing and killed eachother>>741450581>FF12 is good when FF13 came outI personally enjoyed ff13 but saw enough flaws in it that I can understand why people don't like it but ff12 hate was always strange to me because it was a good game all around. were people just made it wasn't 10-3?
>>741450581FF13,15,and 16 are fascinating cases because I think a lot of their flaws are basically reactions to the last previous game13 is too linear, characters are annoying, combat is too automated15 tries to fix this but, open world is actually shit, combat is too simplistic and automated, game ISNT FUCKING FINISHED16 is then a reaction to 15 but combat is too easy, side quests suck, no party members and too drastic in change of direction that it doesn't feel like a mainline FFgenuinely I don't know why they keep fucking up the combat for last decade of FF. I wanted to like 16 too but they should've just went more action game instead of making this cooldown based like an MMO. Honestly FF12 is still a game I'll praise very heavily because I didn't like it at first but I will admit I was filtered by it, replaying it later I loved it. It's a pretty good game. The last TRUE FF game is FF10
>>741450174If you are a young person and you decide to work for SE then you're fucking retarded, checks out
>>741450174I really can't accept trannies in my games.This is a dude.
>>741451537wat
>>741451972Exactly, you like dudes.This has the shape of a dude, the face of a dude; THIS IS A DUDE.
>>741450174This and XII are currently on my cart. I currently started playing Final Fantasy X-2. It was the first Final Fantasy that I quit midway, and after that I abandoned the franchise. That was some 20 years ago. I feel an obligation to play these two games, since I've been playing other PS2/PS3 RPGs. Are XIII-2 and Lighting Returns good as well? Or should I wait until I beat XIII?
>>741450860>but ff12 hate was always strange to me because it was a good game all around. were people just made it wasn't 10-3?It was kind of a big departure gameplay wise and was the first mainline entry since 6 that had a shit story. It was always going to have it's detractors. Kinda like BotW.
>>741452610There is no point getting the XIII sequels if you end up not liking the first game, which you probably won't desu. The gfx aged like fine wine, but the rest is not so great.
>>741450265XII was the one that really changed the format first
>>741452610Have you played every other jrpg made before 2005? Have you played all the Rance and Eushully games? SMT? Enchant Farm?
>>741450174I tried playing it unlike you and everyone that was interviewed for that question. I don’t need to defend my position
>>741450174If you edit like 80% of the gameplay out of my memories, FF13 is one of the best games I've ever experienced, the graphics, the setting, the music, even the worldbuilding, it was all amazinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99lHz11ElkAthis hits me like a truck, goddamn I love it so muchbut you'd have to kill me to force me to play it again
>>741450174That perfectly explains why modern SE games are all fucking dogshit.
>>741450174I liked it. >>741450265What did they change about it? I'm a 40yo boomer myself and it felt more like a Final Fantasy game than 12 did by a mile. 12 was the one I couldn't get into due to their "action" combat system having unplayably clunky animations, e.g. stutter stepping through the entire game because you're stopping to draw and sheath your weapons every 4 seconds.
>>741450174A snarky youtuber told me to hate it as well as every other game that came out from 2006-2014
>>741454313if you have to ask, you aren’t qualified to talk about final fantasy
>>741454830I've been playing Final Fantasy games since before you were born, sport. I've played all of them except for the MMO spinoffs. FF13 is a pretty typical Final Fantasy game.
>>741455004if this is true you would know the difference which you don’t so it’s not
>>741450174FINALLY a good thread!
I've noticed that people who play other JRPGs find FF13 is anywhere from "meh" to "good" and those who exclusively play FF (and maybe chrono trigger but never chrono cross) despise the game. what's up with that?
Logically this is guaranteed to be true because it's the last entry that actually sold in any significant number.
>>741456151Can you provide examples of such people? It doesn't match my experience, having hung out in the kind groups that had heated debates over Phantasy Star III.
>>741450174Its not bad most people just saw youtubers calling it bad after getting filtered by the early game and that was as far as they got.Its a pretty decent game but not the best in the series.
>>741456612>most people just saw youtubersShit argument and doesn't even make sense for when this game came out. Kill yourself, you are probably projecting your youtube brain anyway
>>741456705>youtube didn't exist during 2010kyshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47YPs-qwNQU
>>74145104616 was a reaction to the dudebro journalists making for of 13 for being too “anime”. 16 basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver platter but it was 15 years too late and the demographic didn’t exist anymore.
The problem with XIII is that it's one good game (XIII-2) sandwiched between two turds (XIII and Lightning Returns).
>>741456863>Intentionally missing the point that hardYea i'm sure youtube was filled by essay fags back then, keep lying nigga.
>>741450457It's a good game, maybe not great or amazing in the gameplay side of things but it's good. I beat it at least 3 times and I can't say that for any other FF. Some characters are annoying at first but actually grow, which is hard for a lot of narratives to do well.
>>741456705Sorry fren under 18s arent allowed on 4chan.I remember playing it at launch. I liked it.Then there were YouTube videos shitting on the early game with no mention of anything after that.You being too young to know about it doesnt mean im wrong shit for brains
>>741457076Who the fuck brought up video essays? people got by just fine getting their opinions from those shitty AVGN copycats back then, that is unless you want to imply that videogame reviews were post covid creation.
>>741450174Wow it's almost like Square-Enix is staffed entirely with incompetent retards
>>741457076>there wasnt 6 hour essay videos so that means no one talked about anything Nigger even a redditor isnt this retarded.
I played through it and really tried to like it. Ended up really warming up to Sazh but that's about it for the cringefest party. Everything else aside from the visuals was a chore to get through. Definitely the worst FF experience for me.
>>741457062Xiii-2 is way better than you'd expect from a side story/non mainline entry. Honestly better than XV and XVI, they're way less engaging imo whereas 13-2 starts of running and stays visually interesting.
>>741457346>>741457359Or people actually played the 10 hour hallway tutorial fantasy and saw how shit it was, crazy thought I know.
>>741457076>he can't imagine someone talking about videogames outside of the context of those 10 hour essayszoom zooms aren't beating those "opinions formed by the youtube algorithm" allegations
>>741450174They had to make the game bad or Lightning would mog every single other ff chick way too hard.
>>741457598>Nooo you have to form your opinion from some faggot in a corner of the screen talkingDismissing all opinions as being copied from youtube is unironically zoomer tier because you faggots can't comprehend that youtube was a completely different beast back then.
>modern square known for shitting out disappointment after disappointment>completely tarnishes the Final Fantasy name>shits so bad there is not a mainline game after FF10 which even reaches the general consciousness>except for FF14 which had the best momentum an mmo ever will and they the goose which lays the golden egg>some retarded broccoli head will try to swear the nothingburger of a hallway simulator is actually good, when I was actually there, saw how hard it was shilled >every single FFfag tried to delete it from their memory, just like they did with Spirits within.do zooms really?!
>>741457539Don't buy the shit on pc unless you're willing to troubleshoot for an afternoon to get it running at acceptable framerates, game itself was better than the OG xiii but somehow they managed to make the story even more retarded. also i think they took the "hallway game" shit to heart because they made it a little TOO open ended though my opinion may be skewed because I didn't exactly hate the linear nature of the first game.
>it was the heckin youtubers fault!Oh fuck offAt the end of the day they're humans too, they just had a bigger platform to talk shit about this terrible game whereas anyone else complaining about it did it online or among friends
>>741457560Ff7s midgar is longer and more linear but keep going.
>>741456231if you dare defend one of the less popular games in the /vg/ threads and reveal you enjoy jrpgs other than final fantasy you'll get your arsehole torn open for not being a real fan and have your opinion invalidated. Also whenever you hear the rhetoric of "every ff game past 10 doesn't exist and e33 is the real sequel" it usually comes from some dude who's played maybe ff7 or ff10 when they were a baby boy and maybe some bethesda shit
>>741458256>Defending ff13No you keep going please, this is peak contrarianism
>>741458325woops meant for >>741456387
I think it has the best music and art direction of any game in the series
I don't give a shit about the strawman you want to argue with, argue with the people actually in the thread you dumb nigger.
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>>741458256And that's a negative, whataboutist. You see, the difference you're smugly suantering around is that FF7 actually has a non cluster fuck story that's easy to for the casual to comprehend and a compelling party of characters that has not been forgotten in less than 2 years. This makes FF7's linear sections much easier to digest whereas in FF13, people want to blow their brains out.
>>741450174The retards who made FF13 are the ones hiring the new employees.
>>741450174It was. It was bad for its time, and it is bad even now. The story is shit. The level (read hallway) design is shit. The combat is shit because it is made with the idea of having a full party but you don't even get a full party until 20 hours into the hallways. The story is shit. The characters are insufferable shits. The drama entirely revolves on everyone just being faggots who misunderstand everything they see and never bother to ask questions of their fellow party members who they are misunderstanding.Until XV released XIII was, by far, the single worst FF, and arguably worst SE game ever released, and that includes the original XIV which was so bad it had to be deleted and remade. FFXIII sucks. You apologists are never going to change that, because the people you know who never played it and will never play it that you are trying to convince will always have someone who isn't an apologist but who did play it to stand up and say, "Don't listen to that faggot retard whose ego is tied up in convincing other people a shit game wasn't shit so he won't feel bad about liking it."
>>741453598The only game I have played on that list is Enchant Farm. I have not played any Rance, Eushully, or the SMT games unfortunately.>>741453421Those games always go for sale cheap, so I'll get them later, hopefully by then I have beaten the first one.
>>741456231that’s called riding the coattails and is not a barometer of a games quality. it would be more accurate to look at the next games sales (15) which dropped off a cliff. this would indicate that 13 had a negative impact on the reputation of the franchise
>>741457973did you forget about FFXIV 1.0?
>>741458595FF13’s story is not that convoluted, don’t know how this became a common criticism. Also it’s really funny because people praise 7 in the same breath, and 7 is one of the most chuuni games ever made.
