Is a knife really better than a handgun in close combat as snake suggests in metal gear 3 or its bullshit?
>>741451076And we /v/ would know how to answer this?
>>741451201You should
>>741451076i dunno, i've only been trained to use a bayonet and even that training wasn't that thorough
>>741451076There might be some truth in it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upxfo_jBrDE
>>741451076The answer is 'it depends'.
>>741451076If someone is already within lunging/tackling distance, then a gun is going to do jackshit in preventing you from getting shanked if they really want to kill you.
>>741451306All's I remember is that one guy from the Irishman said >run away from a knife >run towards the gun
>>741451076Guns are much much louder than movies and video games will show you so a knife is better if you can use it.
Knives are probably the most useless weapon imaginable. You'd literally be better off with an actual stick. Knives can't even penetrate modern plates so you'd need to get their neck or legs and good luck doing that when they can just shoot you.
Up close I think knives have a greater scariness factor to them, a gun is scary too of course, but there's a high likelihood of a clean wound and that you won't bleed to death, if you get stabbed it's most likely in the vitals and you're probably donzo
>>741451076It depends how close. If we’re talking skin to skin contact, then the knife wins.
>>741451779Any modern soldier will be wearing a flak and plates and probably have a dick flap and a neck guard and a helmet. Even a really big knife will have trouble getting through all that and being stabbed doesnt stop you from shooting the stabber in the face 17 times when you mag dump them.Knife kills aren't real we don't live in a video game you will just die.
Army knives are more tools than actual weapons, except in some extreme emergency where your gun is inoperable. A knife can be blocked or wrestled away and it can take several hits before your opponent starts blacking out from blood loss, in the meantime he can do some serious damage to you. A point blank gunshot wound will just put him out of comission immediately.
>>741452098There are a thousand videos of soldiers with body cams mad dumping each other in close quarters and not any of them using curved knives on each other or going on stab rampages. Even in trenches and stuff where you're feasibly close enough to stab each other they just shoot each other 100 times with entire magazines when they bump into each other.
>>741451076Leon S Kennedy says the same thing and he fights zombies so it has to be true.
>>741451076That looks so cool, but I don't believe there are crocodiles in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZ9sIrjXpM&t=33
>>741451076To aim a gun you have to hold your arms out straight and align your eyesight down the barrel and towards your target.You can feel where and what the knife is doing like it is an extension of your arm.
>>741451076Naked Snake mostly uses the knife to control a soldier and judo throws them if he aims to incapacitate, so I dunno maybe.
Snake should really just collect the jacket and head mask of every soldier he kills and go in undercover.
>>741451076If you're in a situation like Snake then a knife is your best friend, because it conserves precious ammo and allows you to kill relatively silently to avoid giving away your position.In actual normal combat operations then a knife is next to useless, but MGS3 isn't a normal combat operation.
>>741452098>>741452198I recall exactly one video of a knife fight occurring organically in the Russia-Ukraine dustup, and everyone thought it was staged until corroborating drone footage was released. Meanwhile, we have oodles of building and trench clearing footage being done with service rifles and (lots and lots of) grenades. On a related note, that one knife fight was a relatively lengthy affair compared to the average CQC fight which is won within half a second by the guy who gets their rifle on target first.Autoloading firearms just kill so absurdly quickly and easily compared to any melee weapon. Given the choice, you would be insane to choose a knife over a reliable handgun.
>>741452675>ejects magazine>throws away gun>one bullet still loaded in chamberlul
>>741452675>they traded out his wicked knife for that generic shit in the demakesGrim
>>741451878You will never guess how medieval knights died
>>741452210Las plagas terribles?
>>741451076wasnt it more about the combination of both
>>741451076Unlike vast majority of video games where GUN and HAND are only a moving UI element and not a physical object in a 3D space, in close quarters, narrow corridors, doorways and rooms long guns can get stuck or be impossible to aim.Also in a hand to hand scuffle it's not impossible to rack the slide of a semiautomatic to prevent it from firing or jam it.>>741452401a Jungle is the one biome that neither Russia nor the Soviet union had on its territory but Harry Gregson Williams wouldn't work on MGS after 2 unless it was in a Jungle.
>>741452818>You will never guess how medieval knights diedKilling a man above your stature was considered a crime comparable to high treason. He was worth more alive if his family was willing to pay. Exceptions like the mass slaughter of frog knights after the fuckup at Agincourt shouldn't be the norm.
>>741451076He literally can't CQC in a tuxedo because he doesn't have a knife (even though there's a convenient chest pocket right where it should be)
>>741451351In our manual it said verbatim "A bullet is faster than a bayonet". So I guess when it comes to knife, you'd have to be really, really good in close quarters to really be "at an advantage".
>>741452791>Leon learns on his own to use a knife in CQB>In the remake Krauser rapes him in training and forces him to use a knife
>>741452767It's not like Ada tries to kill Leon since she's enamored with him.
>>741451652>>741451878>flak and platesThat game setting is early 60's morons
>>741451076well a handgun is definitely a faster and cleaner kill but there's no such thing as a "silenced" one, it's still going to be louder than banging pans togetherfor stealth, knife would be the way to go
>>741452791The knife he starts off with in the remake is his M9 Bayonet from RE2make, you get the original RE4 knife once you beat Krauser.
>>741453991Stabbing someone isn't quiet unless you kill them with a really good stab. You've got a pretty high chance they'll start flailing around, knock shit over, scream, vomit, piss, and shit themselves or wail. You better know what you're doing before you try to kill someone quietly especially since soldiers are rarely ever alone. Even if you poke his lungs and he can't scream his buddy is probably in another hole 6 feet away and he'll probably hear the commotion anyway.
>>741451076Maybe if you only have a tranquilizer version of the Mk22 but BB is a beast in close quarters even without a knife.
>>741451076Maybe
>>741451076https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_DrillIt's better within about 21 feet.>>741455235COME SHOW ME YOUR HARDCORE FEELINGS WITH YOUR RAVING MEANINGS
>>741451076In a close range encounter, a pistol isn't going to instantly put someone down if you're getting shoulder and torso shots unless you hit something vital. And a knife is too cumbersome to use with a long gun for obvious reasons. While CQC as in-game is totally made up for the sake of making the characters look action movie badass, like Equilibrium logic almost, there's definitely grounds to the theory because of a knife's utility in immediate, severe and crippling wounds if someone's getting that close. You're just not going to see most real training or combat arts try to utilize gun and knife because of specialization and infiltration ops not really being a key component of most conflict or warfare for this style.
shut the fuck you faggot losers pretend tough guys
>>741456118One more word Hinata and I'll kiss you.
>>741455631Pistols are for mag dumping that's why they moved every branch to higher capacity magazines. An entire 15-20 round mag of 9MM or .40 will put anyone down if theyre dumb enough to charge you with a knife or try to tackle you and you can mag dump without even aiming or assuming a proper stance if you have to just tuck your arm into your side and pull the trigger until you have to reload. Pistol>>>>>>>>>>actual dogshit>>>>>>>knifeSoldiers aren't cops who have to stay holstered until they're 100% sure a threat is real the whole knife gun argument is more of a cop thing where they aren't supposed to be seeing red 24/7 and murdering anyone in a different color uniform than themselves.
>>741457067That's presuming having the time and opportunity to mag dump someone. In an urban environment or theoretical indoors, and you're not a soldier with a long gun, at the very minimum any corner is a potential jump, though at the same time the average raid would probably just see you lit up like a christmas tree from down a hall instead.
>>741454054No, thats still krausers knife.His original knife is the unlockable "primal knife"
>>741457223Maybe but as you said in real shit everyone's ass blasting every room shooting through every wall or yeeting grenades. The entire YouTuber gun community shares all these retarded videos of morons practicing things like "room clearing" where some snide cunt hides with a knife behind a corner to pull a gotcha but IRL the likelihood of that in actual combat is pretty fucking low. Someone's already fragged that room or dumped 50 rounds of 5.56 belt fed machine gun ammo into the walls and the idea you're ready to pounce with a kramabit in a microsecond when they come in is just stupid. You will have shit your pants and died or you'd be screaming in the corner crying and begging not to be shot if you survived the 6 grenades they lobbed in there after mulching all your friends in the room with you. For cops and LE raids the gun knife argument is very real, for soldiers it isn't really a thing. Like how they say MCMAP is a real thing but the average marine does it for like a week in boot camp because it's useless.
>>741451076Of course not. That's why in real life cqb just uses your gun.
>>741451306The knowledge could save your life. When I'm not gaming I'm training my body as a lethal weapon.
>>741451365Most of the drills would still end with the knife attacker dead it's just that the junkie would still fuck the shooter up before dying.
>>741451076Typically no, but even a spork is better than a 45.
it's not so much that a knife isn't better than a gun in close quarters it's that it's featured as a primary combat technique, snake being a disciple of the cqc master. getting within arm's length of sentries and manhandling them with a knife just isn't something militaries plan operations around irl. you're either in a ghillie suit a football field away crawling or you're committed to a rapid offensive operation with obfuscated silenced fire.
>>741453092i don't remember anymore anything about the theory, just how to stab someone
>>741451076Resident Evil 4 answered this question definitively over 20 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQxIwlTFas
>>741451504IF you can move the gun out of "body range"/push it aside, maybe. If a gun can still hit you, a pulled trigger and enter/exit wound is going to do just as much damage as a knife.
>>741452891I think mgs3 could sort of pass for a muggy summer forest in russia if it wasn't for the total lack of conifers. if they had dotted the odd pine tree into the environment you'd reconcile it as European.
>>741451076Yes. In CQC, the gun discharge would pretty much deafen the shooter. Does no one here actually fire guns? You wear protection while range shooting FOR A FUCKING REASON. You're as liable to stun yourself as the other guy.
>>741460574>I can't mag dump because my ears hurtSaid literally no cop ever
>>741451076Literally all you need to do to negate a gun is grab it, if you're wrestling then they can't point it at you.If you're wrestling someone with a knife you're probably fucked.
>>741451076Bullets don't do much damage at close range. The impact of the bullet comes from its acceleration as it leaves the gun barrel. Too close, and it's too slow. There's an optimal distance where the bullet reaches maximum velocity before it slows down again.
>>741451076Snake is a super perfect soldier that he knows what to use that's suited for the close quarters situation on the spot, that's why he fights with a gun knife.Obviously instantly figuring out what to use on the spot is the most OP, but even if you're a perfectly trained soldier that is not realistic.Panic shot always wins against panic knife, police cam shows that every time. Only time they lose is when the suspect has a meth buff but you can't win against methmonster with a knife either.
>>741452401>I don't believe there are crocodiles in Russia.There are in the MGS universe.
>>741460805If you run away from a bullet you can even catch it with your cheeks.
>>741460823Nearly every shooting where the perpetrator has a knife they die. Every once in awhile a knife guy lucks out. But even stabbing a cop in the neck isn't enough half the time and they still have enough precious lifeblood to shoot them like 20 times and the knife guy still dies. Cops are taught the 21 foot rule because being stabbed hurts and you're not supposed to stab cops. They are the walking embodiment of law (or they're supposed to be anyway) that is why they can shoot someone who tries to pull a knife on them. The knife guy literally almost never wins or even kills the cop.
>>741451076If you are somehow in a situation where a knife in your hand is better than a gun you did something horribly wrong to get in that scenario
>>741451076Kojipro hired a Japanese swat cop to teach Kojima and the gang how to clear rooms and stuff for mgs2. So this is probably true.
>>741451076Knives can be modulated in ways pistols lack. It's not about killing the person, it's about credible threats. If I point a gun at someone at point blank range, there is a chance they will believe they are in danger, but if the gun is suited for long range combat, there is also a chance they won't kill me even if they manage to get a shot off. Knives can mitigate that threat level by keeping the credibility high. A shotgun at point blank range is very dangerous, but a M4 takes time to chamber, load and reload, and if I'm in proximity, I need a way to eliminate the person, that's why knives can be useful.
>>741460967Snake is a martial arts super master, not a crackhead with a knifeIf he's at knife range, he's going to be able to control the opponent's weapon and not get shot
>>741460805This is also why snipers take high positions because the gravity makes the bullet even faster.
>>741460574Have you? I ruined my hearing years ago but it's not nearly as big if a deal as you are implying
>>741451076I associate the knives are better for close quarters more with RE4 because of Leon. Snake's CQC with the gun and knife both at the ready always felt practical, though.
>>741451365The problem with that is you read prison stories where some guy survived being shanked 40 times, or some woman survives her boyfriend stabbing her 20+ times. Don't get me wrong, I never want to be stabbed ever, but I think even if you got to stab someone you're probably gonna still be shot and killed. I would always have a knife, and in literally all of these scenarios the guy doesn't have his gun drawn. Snake walks around with his gun out. If your gun is drawn then a knife has no chance even at point blank range. Even if you let them put the knife up against your cheek you'll still kill them with a gun if it is drawn.
>>741461286>This is the fuddiest post I have read in years>Sees nameAh. That will do it
>>741461245KojiPro had the same military advisor for every game.
>>741461562Guns are useful because they rely on gas powered reactions. Especially semi-auto weapons, you're talking about the difference of eight to nine seconds approximately, because a rifle needs to physically eject rounds into a person. No amount of firepower is going to stop time from moving, even if you manage to create laser rifles.
>>741461245>5'7 120 lb Asian dweeb with glasses>teaching anyone anything real about gun knife fightingI'm sure he totally disarmed and killed dozens of soldiers with his sushi knifeThese people are all scam artists and has beens making shit up nonstop
>>741461715Don't underestimate a dweeb with glasses.
>>741452675>>741453814Find it funny that in the remake, Leon was actually going to kill Ada, he went for the kill three times, then he decides not to kill her on the fourth. Wonder if the devs were to busy making a flashy dance to notice.
>>741462187Probably don't know the difference. The entire thing is moot anyways since it's all foreplay. If Ada wanted him dead he would have been dead the second she had her gun drawn
>>741451076Close combat is a meme so larp with whatever the fuck you want.
>>741462138That dweeb in glasses has a proven track record and frankly his eyes scream "I can kill everyone in this building but don't because I'm a good guy"
>>741462303If you could use grenades in a mall, then you wouldn't need SWAT police anon.
>>741462303As always this is the objective truth. If you are somehow in a fair fight you have already lost. If you are in a scenario a knife is better than a gun you giga lost
>>741462138I doubt the advisor Kojima hired did anything other than try to make an entirely fictional concept seem more believable for the sake of it. And I don't think Vining would ever purport CQC to be realistic either. The Asian guy probably focused more on little aspects of it than trying to sell it as something that could actually work.
>>741451076no, unlike movies and games people dont actually die that fast from stabs and you gotta really know where to aim and how to stab too and even they are gonna flail around and shit
>>7414540544make and 9 together also confirm the bayonet he has in 4make is the same one Marvin gives him in 2make's Leon A route. He's using it in 4make to remind him of what he fights for. Probably the only reason he switched to the hatchet in 9 is that bayonet got worn down to almost nothing after him using it for 2 decades.
>>741460805>There's an optimal distance where the bullet reaches maximum velocity before it slows down againYeah, when it exists the barrel you moron>muh gravityFuck off
>>741462732>Being this retardedIt's obviously a joke numb nuts. Was the image not enough for you?
Here's the real close quarters solution, a blackjack also called a sap. A lead weight inside a leather sheath. It can kill with one quick strike to the skull. It can break knuckles, collar bones, noses. Someone swinging a knife at you can get their fingers broken when you counter-swing, it's a nasty weapon.
>>741462297>foreplayYeah, Leon was very confident that Ada would've been able to dodge those killing blows, and Ada was very confident that Leon would play along after threatening him with a gun out of the blue after not talking to him for years
>>741451076A handgun is even more effective in close range because you don't need to aim
>>741462785I need a break from this site
>>741451076Watch the video of chad Ukrainian vs steppe Russian rural conscript hand to hand combat
>>741461715Police probably sees more knife fights than military.All those spec ops units recruit and test for mindset, everything else can be trained.Being a 6 foot 2 muscle mountain is a disadvantage in urban infiltration.A contact shot makes the cunt eat all the energy and the expanding gas turns his insides into red mist.Not good for the gun, semi autos can malfunction, which is why you get a revolver for self defense.
>>741451076If you want to be sneaky and hidden while killing, yes a knife is superior. Brtibongland is full of evidence.
>>741462796>It can kill with one quick strike to the skull.so can anything hard and dense, they used lead to make it not do that, retard
>>741463272>which is why you get a revolver for self defense.real?
>>741463471its only an issue in semiautomatics if you can jam the gun hard enough into soft tissue that the slide starts to be pushed back due to the pressure and point of contact, and you can get an accessory called a standoff device for lots of them designed for this exact situation.
>>741451365In nearly any realistic scenario that any average joe would be in, gun wins over a knife any day of the week. Getting shot is a far more visceral and painful action than a knife cutting through flesh by orders of magnitude. All that energy behind a bullet, point-blank or not, MUST be dissipated, and if the bullet doesn't leave the body that means the body of the person getting shot must absorb 100% of it. The kinetic force, the heat, and the pneumatic shock alone will damage nearly every organ nearby, rupture blood vessels within inches of the wound channel, and leave a malformed hole from which the bullet travels through, and that's assuming the bullet is a full metal jacket, and not a hollow point which will do far greater damage over a larger area. It is one of the singularly most painful acts that can be put onto a human being and be able to feel it outright, if they survive the initial shot at all. The pure amount of pain and the shock coming from it would be enough to stun anyone who has never experienced it before. The only time this wouldn't be a factor is when the knife-wielder would be either on an adrenaline high and not feel it, or on PCP/some other psychoactive drug to negate it, and even then hitting the heart or the head isn't exactly hard, and both will kill immediately or in seconds.
>>741463764There's a video of a tiny woman reporter getting magdumped and still running away because of adrenaline
>>741464003Your reading comprehension must be abysmal
>>741451652>Everyone wears plates in america because youre always shooting each other>shoot guy>bleed out within the minute from the gaping knife wound in your neckgreat plan retard.
>>741452976and as we all know bumfuck illiterate peasants were all known for their bribery tactics and coolheaded behaviour
>>741462796every mission in thief was like the aftermath of a ted bundy murder rampage.
>>741464259>he doesn't wear full plate armor and an AR-15 every time he leaves the house
in mgs3's take on cqc the knife is more of a control tool then it is a stabbing weapon. you can slit a guys throat when they're in your grasp sure but that's secondary to the judo. you need the threat of the blade to wrangle guards but snake doesn't really use it.
>>741464720you literally can't slash with the cqc knife, the knife only equip snake slashes and thrusts with is a full sized survival knife he carries attached to his boot.
I suppose in a sort of anime logic the gun is worse because its a hindrance due to its superiority so you won't appreciate how good knives are. You'll fight better in CQC without it being a factor.
>>741464720>you can slit a guys throat when they're in your grasp sure but that's secondary to the judoyou are thinking Splinter Cell
>>741464720I always find it funny that the knife is supposed to be the intimidation tool and all, but the game plays up Snake's arm muscles as somehow applying grip pressure on people's necks even when he isn't doing a grip.
>>741464870You can do that in MGS3. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory has Sam knee them in the back instead and I think SC1 he just bonks them on the head.
>>741451076He's referring to military research into human reaction times, which was popularized on early youtube
>>741451779Hearing a shotgun being racked is the most psychologically terrifying sound for a burglar.
The police will shoot a guy with a knife if he gets within 10ft cause they can close in fast.
>>741451076Red Army soldiers were drilled in Sambo from the 20's through to the end of the cold war which was more extensive for elite units, carrying a knife in the offhand using a wrap-around grip would indeed give Snake a big advantage in close combat, if snake were to be grappled his assailant would try to secure his gun-hand and perform a leg sweep, snake can counter by simply dropping the knife hand and stabbing or bringing the blade up over the knuckles of his attacker and freeing the gun hand, then dispatching as he sees fit.A two handed grip is anachronistic for the time however, the US still practiced pistol shooting one-handed but the game makes a story concession for that.
>>741460805>Bullets don't do much damage at close rangeImagine being this retarded
>>741451076It depends on the circumstances, but generally no. All it takes to kill a guy with a gun is aim and squeeze. If you're in extremely tight quarters like a narrow hallway and the guy is already right on top of you, I guess a knife could be better if you can get it into his throat or eye, but if you've got even a few feet between you, pulling a trigger will always be faster and deadlier. Similarly, if you're not right on top of one another already and he has a gun but you don't, closing that gap is not going to be a fun time for you. Add automatic fire into the mix and the knife idea goes out the window instantly, it loses every time.
>>741451076speak
>>741465607It actually does kinda depend on what you're packing for ammunition type and caliber. There's no small chance of over-penetration at that range unless you're shooting into protective equipment.
>>741465746I hid a diamond up my asshole!
>>741451652 Knives can't even penetrate modern plateslol, wut? wtf you trying to stab the plate for, you fucking retard? The human body is made of cables and tubes. Cut the cables to disable movement, sever the tubes to kill.
>>741465708But the knife wielder might enter the officer's aura which is illegal to their police authority
>>741465708You can still shoot someone even with a kabar sticking out of what was once your eye.
>>741465746Need a four-wheel drive? There's one over here...
Hijacking the thread to ask:Does the ocelot reload makes sense or hes a retard that doesnt know how to count? How such a retard could be hired to be a triple agent for CIA
>>741461286Christ
>>741461680What the actual fuck are you saying
>>741469887>>741469932Saucy is retarded and should just be ignored anon. legitimately not worth arguing with
>>741469887>>741469932Guns work by using gas-powered impinging tools to jettison rounds out of a barrel. This means they take time to fire, especially at long ranges. A knife won't be nearly as useful as a gun at long range, but it will be relatively useful at close range, by the relatively simple logic that guns require time and accuracy to shoot.
>>741468837He's a retard for testing a technique he only heard about but knowing him he might be merely pretending in order to give Snake a chance to fuck off with Sokolov.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZqYTWi_Os
>>741462796>t.Neeson
>>741468837He's making it jam on purpose because he's aiding Snake
>>741451786Depends on how close and what they're wearing>>741461364I think he means if you're REALLY up-close (like shoving the gun under the guy's chin)
You use the knife to create space to shoot your handgun if the combat has become that close quarters. If youre getting clinched, then you cant really use either expect for in a panic. Having a knife in the offhand to intimidate and maintain enough space to shoot with could be practical, but if a nigga is rushing, neither is realy viable in a panic and will probably be turned against you. Keep the knife sheathed, if you get into a grapple then gain dominant postion, then pull out the knife to finish the fight.
you guys are lacking imagination. It's not a question of what is better. If it was an all or nothing scenario armies would be issuing pikes and dropping knives from bomber planes onto suburbs, if knives were better.Aside from that.Knives are scary, but so are guns. However, knives are accessible and if cops catch you with a gun in most countries that's game over. People talk about noise, but come on. Killing people is usually pretty loud or noticeable despite technological advances on that part. Killing in a domestic sense is more of a function of taboo. Most people don't kill people, and so don't know what killing people sounds or looks like until it is really obvious. People mistake guns for fireworks and vice versa all of the time. Maybe if you were both trapped in an elevator a knife would have an edge. I suppose if your hands were clumsily trying to chamber a round in an elevator you would be at a significant disadvantage. What if all your classmates are there laughing at you trying to shoot this guy but for some reason the gun is not firing and you look down and you're actually just doing gun hand motions and making gun noises yourself and now you just can't hit this guy with your imaginary bullets. You wake up in a cold sweat and reach for your gun but the guy from the knife dream is still there and he throws it away and starts pretending to stab you so you throw your hands up, but he just starts laughing and saying "This is CQC! This is CQC!". I guess a knife would win in that scenario.
>>741465746I ain't telling you... jack shit!>+5 heroism
>>741451076>Is a knife really better than a handgun in close combat as snake suggests in metal gear 3 or its bullshit?Studies show that under 21 feet a guy charging you with a knife will be able to get to you if you don't have your gun drawn. https://youtu.be/6cwhE7sfQtgIf you have your gun drawn then you should be able to shoot them before they get to you at 10 feet. Keeping 21 feet of distance between you and them is still preferable even with a drawn gun because you want them not just shot; but dead before they get to you.
>>741451076https://youtu.be/MYwd0Wus5Ik
>>741472438>21ft ruleobligatory: https://youtu.be/KDOOKWKM3wM
>>741472438>21ft rule
>>741472013Unless the guns next to your ear the couple I ces one way or the other isn't going to make that much of a difference
>>741472875>12ft rule
>>741472976I'm so tired I don't even remember exactly what I was saying. Regardless the point is still wrongt. Didn't start using hearing protection until way too late
>>741473249EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>741451076is snake really supposed to be well over 6 feet tall and built like schwarzenegger? seems a little counterproductive
>>741462138Wait a minute I know that guy.
>>741451076Even if it's not it's still generally communicating the idea that MGS is a stealth game and going loud is not the design focus.
