was the Wiiu that bad
I actually don't think the system or the games it had were bad. Half of the Switch's support was just ports and sequels of Wii U games. Fucking BotW is a Wii U game. They just hard fumbled the marketing, third party support, that kind of shit.They framed it so much like a Wii add-on that I legitimately did not know it was a console until MK8 released since I didn't follow vidya news closely at the time.
>>741458552I think it flopped just because of the name. Normies probably thought it was just a new controller for the Wii with a screen
It took way too long for a system seller to come out and was way too expensive for what it was.
>>741459646How could you not know? Are you fucking illiterate?
>>741459901No one legitimately thought that. It was a bad product.
>>741459976Mostly I just heard they were releasing a gamepad that connected to the TV. I don't think the person that told me knew it was a console either since it was called Wii U, the console itself looks like a Wii, and they show wiimotes being used with it.
>>741458552marketing sucked mostly, didn't even know it had a windwaker remake until like 2022 when I emulated windwaker, only thing that comes to mind from personal memory was seeing this ugly ass zombie game cover in the game store while looking for 3ds gamesI don't buy the>uhm everyone acruly thought it was a add-on!feels more like a essaytuber retrospect thing
>>741458552I want one. I know it’s illogical and I have most of the games already on switch, but I want one because I think they look cool.
>>741458552I bought it for Bayonetta 2. Splatoon was pretty good and I played MK a lot.
>>741459976Normalfags think my Wii U is a Wii and since it looks and functions like one they're partially right.
>>741460434get it. It emulates every console before it natively. And I want to play Sonic Lost World and Starfox Zero
>>741458552I liked it
>>741458552It's a product of hubris. The Wii brand started off explosively, but didn't have real lasting power. To an extent it was something of a fad, one that was showing its age by 2010 or so. Nintendo didn't get the memo though, so they believed that they could take a successor with a concept that's damn hard to market without actually trying it out in real time, not even really show off the console itself more than the tablet controller to push that previous point, and do it all on the back of a brand that had basically run out of steam. They really thought "it has Wii in the name, it'll sell" when the reason Wii sold really was because of its brilliant marketing. So it also was with Switch and its very direct, strategic marketing. WiiU was just sort of out there and people didn't really know it was even there, let alone understand it. That's to say nothing of the era basically being one long growing pains period into HD for the company, but you don't even need to get into that given how hard they flubbed the marketing.
>>741459976You would be surprised how consistent that sentiment was amongst normalfags. If you didn't have your nose ready to huff every Nintendo fart, there's a very real chance you actually didn't know what a WiiU was at the time.
>>741460216no, it was very much real, i remember stores having signs to explain that wiiu games are not compatible with the wii and i have a distinct memory of a clerk explaining a mother why she couldn't "just buy the tablet her son wanted"
>>741458552Normies thought it was a new controller for their Wii.The marketing was that bad.
yeah they should've named the switch 2 switcheroo or some stupid shit instead too
>>741458552That touchpad shit gave me the ick
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>>741459976its easy to see if you read up on the wiiu. But do you really think 90% of people are going to do that? they just see a commercial that shows a new controller and think that's it.
>>741460216>uhm everyone acruly thought it was a add-on!>feels more like a essaytuber retrospect thingYou do not understand how incompetent the ads were for this thing. It wasn't a new console, it was an "upgrade".https://youtu.be/SChWdprUnzw?si=ajsJiCkIp0xpW9yn
>>741458552Wii U had one of the same problems xbone had, in that normies/grandparents buying them as gifts didn't realize they were new consoles. People just thought the wii U was some addon, thanks to the retarded name and shit advertising where they hyperfocused on the controller and nothing else. Mostly because of this early problem, no one wanted to waste their good games on it so it basically had no real releases.
>>741461712Not even a minute in and look at this picture. A pile of Wii games - not WiiU, original Wii - are more visible than the actual WiiU console itself. The fuck are normalfags supposed to take away from this when flashed in front of their face for maybe 4 seconds?
the vast majority of the switch's first party library for the first year or two is just wii u ports (up to and including its killer app launch title) so no, the wii u wasn't "bad" and this is a clear-cut example of why marketing does in fact matter
>>741462005I cant read half those games but the top one is definitely nintendoland which is a wiiu game.
>>741461486I was hoping they'd call it the super nintendo switch
>>741462181See, I couldn't even fucking tell. Could be the video resolution but holy shit.
>>741462074>>741458552I dont understand this augment, the wiiu had some good games but the console sucked. Because of the controller it was overpriced, lacked 3rd party support, and the controller itself wasnt comfortable.
>>741462258how do you even know those are wii games then?
>>741458552Bad? Eh. I mean, it had some fine games for it as a generic "Nintendo System" AKA it got a good Mario game, a good Zelda game, a good Mario Kart, a good Smash, etc. If you were into the idea of just getting some decent games of the Nintendo regulars it was fine and worth it. If you wanted new and exciting things, Nintendo really only had Splatoon AND I would say that their output of games on Wii-U was not as good as Wii itself. Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 blow 3D World (or was it land?) out of the water, for example.
>>741460216>feels more like a essaytuber retrospect thingno, I was there. I bought my Wii U in ~2013 and enjoyed it to the point where I didn't even want to buy a Switch at launch. I heard these comparisons constantly.>>741462181>>741462258you can kinda make out the blue band at the bottom so they're definitely wii u games but don't ask me which ones cause it's blurry as shit and either way the fact that you even have to ask just proves the point you're making regardless.
>>741458552I remember the Wii being a cultural phenomenon that actually INCREASED the number of videogamers who were never videogamers to begin with.Haven't seen such a huge phenomenon since the PS2 came out.Then the Wii U came out and shit the bed and all those causal Wii gamers fucked off to do other non-gaming shit.
It was a rough time to be a Nintendo fan no matter how much revisionists try to pretend otherwise.
>>741462369Because Wii games usually have straight white casing, and because Wii was a well known console it's reasonably well known what Wii cases look like. The contrast of WiiU's light blue cases are hardly picking up in that image.
>>741462532whether people like it or not, these 'non-gamers' loved wii sports and all those motion based party games. The wiiu's gimmick did not lend itself to that sort of vibe
>>741458552its gen was cut short and the common sentiment is that people thought it was just a wii addon so despite having a bunch of actually good games no one bought it
>>741458552>comparing the sales of a Wii accessory to an actual new console
>>741458552The Pii U was the first nintendo console I had bought since the N64. The idea behind it wasn't bad and the games weren't bad but Nintendo screwed up royally with the naming and marketing. Plus the Wii sales were still really strong and all the casuals who bought the Wii were perfectly fine with it. The tablet controller was meh. The screen was shit. The whole thing felt cheap. It was the first console of the generation and was blown out by PS4 a year later. The massive success of the Wii and it's strong consumer retention plus the terrible marketing of the Wii U and remember the 3DS XL released around the same time. They cannibalized the Wii U's potential market. That's probably one reason they went with the Switch's All-in-one design to combine their markets and it worked.Part of the Switch's success is the failure of the Wii U.
>>741463315>The Pii U was the first nintendo console I had bought since the N64.I'm so sorry.
>>741463396I didn't buy the Switch or the Switch 2.....yet. If that happens you can kiss the games goodbye.
yeah
Dual screen was cool on the handhelds but on the wiiu it was lame having to swap between two screens.
>>741458552the day I got the wii u was kinomario kart 8 jump from wii was huge
it had 3U and the last good smash so it was fine for games but as a console it was a failed product.stupid name and very, very stupid gimmick. really just a completely mistaken marketing strategy.
>>741458552>dumb name>ipad-controller gimmick that was only intuitive in some games>was basically a Xbox 360 with 2GB of RAM, but still flopped in 360/PS3 ports because the CPU was still derived from the fucking Gamecube>third party AAA support died like 2 years after launchI will say, though, it's one of the few consoles where there was a real sense of community. From kids to grown ass adults, everyone knew they were going to suffer with this piece of shit together until 2017, or whenever they finally jumped ship to a PC or PS4.And the tablet made for a good gooning machine too I guess.
>>741464610Ultimate shits all over 4 tho
>>741458552nobody knows because nobody had one
>>741458552it was a ps3/xbox360 tier console coming out as those 2 were being replaced and the gimmick wasnt good enough to keep the casuals interested like the Wii
>>741465512why? because some shit character you like (but don't play) is in?
>>741458552if you zoom out and look at the trend of nintendo console sales leadign up to this point the real outlier was the Wii. Every Nintendo console was selling less than the previous one since the NES and then Nintendo gets the idea to sell their newest console on a novelty gimmick that would turn the heads of even non-gamers.This allowed the Wii to sell great and win its respective generation. but the majority of the people that bought it would not be interested in a new console. it was a fad.The fact that the actual Wiiu marketing was all about the controller, with footage of the actual console itself being small glimpses of it in the background like we were watching footage of fucking Bigfoot sightings, certainly didn't help things.
>>741458552It was terribly marketed, it was barely stronger than the PS3 and Xbox 360, the tablet was too gimmicky and it had some horrible game droughts. People complaining that the Switch 2 doesn't get as many games have no idea what they're talking about when people would spend months without a single first party game, only to get trash like Game & Wario or Amiibo Festival.It did bring series like Splatoon and Mario Maker, but for a good reason it died in less than 5 years and its production ended almost immediately after the Switch was released.
>>741458552>was the Wiiu that badThe console wasn't the problem, it just had zero third party support and people thought it was just another wii sku.
>>741460159One day I was at a game store and a guy came to return a wii u game because he bought it thinking he could play it on his wii.Then the shopkeeper told us this was a rather common ocurrence because out of the loop people saw wii u and didn't register it was a different console.
>>741465857>People complaining that the Switch 2 doesn't get as many games have no idea what they're talking about when people would spend months without a single first party game, only to get trash like Game & Wario or Amiibo Festival.This, Wii U revisionism is crazy.
>>741460216ZombiU was pretty good though. It's way better with the gamepad than the Zombie versions without.
>>741458552No. Trashed by poor marketing and the usual NDS from developers boosted by the marketing stumble.
>>741465567Gen 5 (PS1, N64, Saturn, Game Boy) — ~263.3MGen 6 (PS2, Xbox, GameCube, Dreamcast, GBA) — ~295.7MGen 7 (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, DS, PSP) — ~509.4MGen 8 (PS4, Xbox One, Switch, 3DS) — ~406.2MGen 9 (PS5, Xbox Series, Switch 2, PC handhelds) — ~143M+ (ongoing)
>>741468025>Gen 7 (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, DS, PSP) — ~509.4M>Gen 8 (PS4, Xbox One, Switch, 3DS) — ~406.2MImagine there are people (vegans lol) that say consoles are on their way out despite selling quite high numbers with less systems around and one brand (Xbox at its absolute all time low).
>>741458552I CANNOT believe I bought a Wii-u
>>741468195it peaked hard in gen 7 and is clearly declining. those are huge dropoffs. switch 2 probably 100 million and this gen ends up at 250
>>741458552It wasn't that bad but it was a half-assed attempt at making an HD Wii. They had no idea what to do next after the Wii to keep up with the Blue Ocean strategy, so they just made "lol big DS", and it sucked.
>>741468601Gen 7's an anomaly. It had the DS in there which is almost a third of those sales alone, but also EVERY console sold gangbusters that gen, nothing sold below 80 million.
>>741468601>it peaked hard in gen 7 and is clearly decliningEvery follow up to an extreme success is bound to be lower, doesn't mean said follow up is indication of "being in their way out". Because Switch's massive success proved it wasn't and Switch is already the 3rd colossal success in gaming showing that PS2 levels of success can be replicated if you play your cards right.>switch 2 probably 100 millionLikely but then again, its pace open space to doubt it this time and could be literally a PS1 to PS2 type of situation. This gen should end around 350 million imo (mostly because Xbox's state brought them dismal numbers for good reason).
>>741459976You clearly weren't around when the E3 reveal happened. They showed the gamepad and a bunch of wii games being played on it. People weren't sure what the fuck it was
It was a prototype for the switch and they could afford to lose money on a generation to perfect the design and launch the switch a finished, better product against all ods.
I'm still mad they purposely made the Wii U version of Zelda shitty by not using the tablet at all, so that people would buy the Switch version instead.
>>741468442I can. Pic related got me and even though the finger curled on the monkey paw, I still regret nothing.
>>741458552>PowerPC in 2012>about as capable as 360 (with worse CPU)>Wii brand was radioactive waste by the time it was released>gimmick was half-baked and a nuisance whenever it was actually used>cheap build quality, the gamepad's screen in particular was pure dogshit>games took forever to be released, since Nintendo also had to support the 3DS>basically no third-party support to make up for the gaps in the first-party release scheduleIf the Wii U had been release 2-3 years earlier with no gamepad, then maybe it could have been a decent success.
It is weird that Ubisoft was trying to give this thing a chance.
>>741468025>PC handheldsSteamie trying to weasel his way into gaming or something? PC and related aren't bound to game tally numbers due the chaotic nature of PC as a whole; this is a good thing even gloated by PC loyalists. It's not a "only counts when I want to" thing; PC and its derivates is an open platform. >>741468945No, it wouldn't have worked because it had nothing going on for it. Then the scapegoat would've been muh hardware power so devs still would've neglect it. >WiiU had even audience self-cucking with statements as "you don't even need to use the thing" when it came to the gamepad
>>741458552>Was the gimmicky console with an awful name and terrible marketing with no games really that bad?Yes. The only positive thing people remember about the console was Miiverse
>>741469038Nintendo had to be able to court some support, even if it basically was just Ubisoft. At least it was right before they nosedived into irredeemable territory.
GREEDY JEW DOUBLED DOWN ON THERE SWEET HONEYPOT AND GOT OUTJEWED
>>741469113Ubisoft entered that territory since 2010, don't kid yourself
>>7414692452010-2014 Ubisoft was still jewish as fuck but I don't know how you think it's comparable to what they are today.
>>741458552yes, actually
Everybody assumed it was like a controller for the Wii, or something. Nobody knew the Wii U was a new console. Nintendo learned the lesson about the value of naming products smartly after that. That's why the Switch's successor is called SWITCH 2 instead of SWITCH NU
>>741459976Autistic retard, just because you went in depth and properly looked at something doesn't mean that everybody did. They probably had a dumb faggot like you working at Nintendo and that guy's brain being broken - like yours - cost them billions upon billions. Kill yourself to prevent you from causing that much damage.
>>741469285Because 2010 Ubisoft was the precedent to it; without retards falling for them when they were nosediving when they became a joke ignoring the signs they wouldn't be able to keep at it for that long.
People thought it was an addon to the wii.
>>741468803switch was a consolidation between console and handheld. it did less than ds + wii. it was also on the market for a really long time
>>741468771because it was peak
>>741469519>switch was a consolidation between console and handheld.It's Wii U 2 but with proper marketing. The "consolidation" you're thinking of was Wii U. Switch is a home console with handheld features. Also; it's dishonet trying to create the impression one system should've sold more than 2 combined, even when those 2 systems' numbers where anomalies.
>>741469668That's gen 6, gen 7 was merely the one that could capitalize all the growth and goodwill built with gen 4, 5 and 6... and then proceeded to jew it all
>>741469519Switch 1 + Switch 2 sold better then
>>741469701only a small percentage of hardcore users use it docked. most people use it in handheld modeits true the wii and ds brought in a lot of nongamers. who did the switch bring in then? because wii u sold like 13 million>>741469760it was still fine. wii brought in a lot of people. ps3 was expensive but free online and grew popular towards the end. 360 was delivering value. it all ended in that one e3 where xbone was revealed
>>741470043>its true the wii and ds brought in a lot of nongamers.*gen 7>it was still fine.>paid online>incomplete games>games gutted in development for the sake of DLC>paid DLCShould I continue? Bc there's a world of difference between early gen 7 and mid to late gen 7.
>>741469245Eh, the UbiArt engine was a cool concept and we got a couple solid Rayman games out of it, plus Watch Dogs was at least an attempt at a new IP. They were post-peak, but not quite in the gutter just yet.
>>741470210>They were post-peak, but not quite in the gutter just yet.Peak was 2007-2009. UbiArt was a lie; Ubisoft never intended to use it and it was a miracle a Rayman game even happened, Watchdogs was one of the biggest offender of selling lies between trailer and final product on top of that open world ubisoft bloat that would become commonplace since it. The only positive was.... attempting a new IP, and that was it
>>741470203only 360 had paid online. at the time the voice chat service was revolutionary. this was before smartphones even. they werent gutting games for dlc yet. it was still just additional multiplayer maps added years later>>741469914all switch games can be played on switch2. you cant play ds games on the wii
>>741470326>Peak was 2007-2009I'd put it earlier than that, like early/mid 00s with stuff like Beyond Good & Evil, Sands of Time and Chaos Theory. I'd put it at about 2014/15 that they became truly unsalvageable. 2012/13, they still had a semblance of a reputation. But yes, Watch Dogs' bullshot trailer was indeed a major blow to it, if only because back then it was surprising to see Ubisoft pull that shit. Nowadays, that would be the least of their sins.
>>741470376>only 360 had paid onlineNot quite; with 360 and all the fuzz (from journos and audience alike) ensured the end of proper console online and turned into paid. Which arrived the following console release until some rebel that gets flak for it... all because gen 7 made it a thing. >they werent gutting games for dlc yet.Oblivion, 2006. The precursor of it
>>741470561>I'd put it earlier than thatI'd agree; I was being nice. By gen 7 Ubisoft was just selling smoke on stage, after Asscreed 1 their peak ended. At least we had 2 good Rayman games after
>>741470721wii u and 3ds had free online. it was shitty, but it was free. consumers decided it wasnt a valuable feature. the oblivion horse armor is a zoomer video essay meme. no one who was there knew about it
>>741470950Nintendo WAS the rebel. >the oblivion horse armor is a zoomer video essay meme. no one who was there knew about itSheer revisionism. It was a big thing back then, but fags ignored the warning about the slippery slope and now... here we are. It's ogre
>>741458552No, it was an excellent system. Most of its best games made up the best games on the Switch during its first couple years. It should have been bigger than it was, but Nintendo killed it with their incompetence.
>>741470774Basically. WiiU benefited from Rayman Legends. And ZombiU, I guess. Dying gasps of a rotting company.
people saying it wasn't a bad console are retarded. imagine how slow the Switch e-shop is; now imagine that sluggish experience but for EVERY SINGLE menu on the consolethird parties weren't scared of the "casual market" or "low attachment rates" the specs of this bomb is what turned them offI hated using this thing, even using it just for playing Wii games through HDMI was a headache. Fuck the Wii U.
>>741471126>imagine how slow the Switch e-shop isIronically, Nintendo finally fixed that like 2 days ago. Switch eShop is actually usable now. Also, WiiU's was way more navigable. Also had a lot less content but at least it more closely resembled Wii Shop Channel than the Switch eShop.
>>741471124>WiiU benefited from Rayman Legends>tfw still waiting for that Ezio amiibo
>>741458552I don't know if it started the trend but I distinctly remember the Wii U being the first console I was aware of being scalped on release.
>>741458552Yeah, the games and console are both horrible to use.
Great console but it's not hard to see why it failed.
>>741464442This is why I consider stuff like Wind Waker HD's features inferior to what came before.Like yeah I can have the map of the area down on the Gamepad - but the original put a more convenient mini-map in the corner that I can see at all times while still looking at the TV.
>>741459976Sure if you do literally any amount of research beyond the reveal trailer it's easy to discern what the Wii U actually is, like I instantly knew what it was but I read about game news and went into that E3 knowing Nintendo were debuting a new console. For people who don't follow gaming that first E3 2011 Wii U product trailer was a disaster. It repeatedly bludgeons viewers in the face with shots of the new controller accompanied by the text, "THE NEW CONTROLLER," but one key feature not featured at all is THE ACTUAL WII U, except as a background element in one shot that most normgroids will either disregard entirely or not notice is a different console from the Wii. It's absolutely wild that's how they chose to announce it. Like it's the kind of fuckup that feels impossible to happen by accident, like Nintendo just went ahead and deliberately aborted the fucking thing with a corkscrew live onstage for the world to see before the world could even figure out what they were looking at.
The tablet gimmick has no appeal, the Wii U wasn't even the first time Nintendo did the tablet gimmick. You're all familiar with this meme picture, it was taken at Nintendo's 2003 E3 presentation when they were showing Pac-Man VS. which was a Gamecube game that used the GBA link cable so that one player would control Pac-Man using the GBA as a tiny 'tablet" while the other three players looked at the TV. The Wii U was build around the exact same concept of asymmetric mutliplayer with Nintendoland even recycling Pac-Man Vs. Nintendo took the gimmick that literally inspired an Internet meme for people being not interested in something and made it the central concept of their new console.
>>741462537I have fond memories of the Wii U era, but you have to be out of your fucking mind to think Nintendo fans weren't starving. I wonder how different things would've been if Mario Maker or Splatoon came out earlier in it's lifespan.
it was comfy. people who hate the wii u literally were not there
>>741474110Because it had personality. Miiverse unironically made the experience way more enjoyable. Being able to see what other people had to say (even if it was retarded) and drew was great. Not to mention how sleek the home screen was, with all of the Miis huddled around on the top screen. It's leagues better than what the Switch and Switch 2 has, where it's a minimalist hell with no personality. The fucking Dolphin emulator has more personality.
I literally dont know anybody who bought one.
>>741458552>salesYes.>hardwareNo.It was actually a pretty neato console. More powerful GPU than PS3 and 360.CPU was less powerful per core than 360, but had more cache and overall was more powerful than the PS3 PPE (not inc. SPEs)More RAM than both.It's more powerful than the Switch in handheld mode.But it died on its shit marketing and while slightly better than PS3/360, it was nothing on Xbone which itself was nothing on PS4 and only released year later.
>>741459646>Half of the Switch's support was just ports and sequels of Wii U gamesYou Wii U fags will make up any bullshit to defend your dead machine.
>>741474480that's pretty interesting considering it had smash 4 hype and rosterfagging just like smash ultimate did. maybe you were just too underage?
>>741458552Shitch and shitch poo are even worse >>741459646Kill yourself before someone who actually matters does it for you
>>741474720Or maybe he literally didn't know anyone who had one.
>>741458552i was the epic gamer on my team at work that people went to for games stuff, and i had to tell a coworker no fewer than 3 times that the wii u was not a new controller but an entirely new consolehe just did not believe me
>>741458552It had one good game, Monster Hunter 3u. That is not enough to buy a console for.
>>741474772my bad rajesh
>>741458552It was literally just a Wii with a fuckass new controller. Also nogaemz
>>741474720Most people bought Sm4sh for the 3DS, dude. For Wii U is the worst selling game in the franchise.
>>741460023>No one legitimately thought thatI constantly had people returning wii u games complaining that it's not working on their wiiThe average normie really is that retarded
>>741474682Nah, they built off the Wii U for the Switch 1 for a while. Made the released schedule a little lame for me.
>>741458552>expensive bulky gimmicky gamepad that sucks to use, has no purpose, and a terrible body life>also never sold separately and pair limit of one per console with region blocking because FUCK YOU GAIJINIt deserved to fail. I'm happy it failed.
>>741475612Saying half is incredibly disingenuous because there are only like 12 games carried over as of this date.
>>741458552It really bothers me how terrible the Switch's ergonomics are when compared to how comfortable the Wii U's tablet was.
>>741462005>Nintendoland>Dong Freeze>3D World>Pikmin 3Those are Wii U games.
>>741458552I can tell you exactly what the problem was. I worked at EB Games/Gamestop before, during, and after the release of the Wii U.Almost NO ONE knew it was a different console. 98% of customers either had never heard of it, or thought it was some useless addition to the Wii. Nintendo's marketing for it was abysmal.>>741459901Essentially this ^
Was it the worst Nintendo home console? Yeah, I think that’s a fair assessment.But… I still don’t think it deserved to do THAT badly? Like, the Xbox One sold FOUR TIMES as many units as the Wii U. What exactly did the Xbox One have going for it? It was more expensive than the PS4, had barely any good exclusives, had Kinect that NOBODY liked, and was pretty much inferior to PS4 in every way that mattered. Still sold over 50 million units because of… brand loyalty, I guess?It’s funny how people say “Nintendo fans are sheep who buy anything with Mario on it” when the Wii U didn’t even sell 15 million! If Nintendo fans were sheep, then surely it would have sold more, right?Wii U definitely had shitty third-party support, and a bad “gimmick” that failed to add to the gameplay experience. I can understand what Nintendo were trying to do though; the DS was massively popular worldwide so they thought “Let’s do a home console DS”, but it didn’t work out in practice. Despite the major flaws, the Wii U still had at least a dozen great exclusives. The fact that they have mostly been ported to Switch and sold millions there proves they were great, IMO.I think the Wii U also suffered a lot from the 3DS just being better value. 3DS sold 75 million because it had full portability, a big game library, mainline Pokemon, actual third-party support, and was the cheapest system on the market. I remember in high school I was the ONE guy who owned a Wii U, while I knew lots of other 3DS owners.I think that sales chart is misleading because it ignores that most of the 3DS owners moved to Switch. The Wii was the real outlier because it is the only non-portable Nintendo console to sell over 70 million.
>>741458552why is nobody blaming miyamoto for his addiction to forced gimmicks
>>741477610>I think the Wii U also suffered a lot from the 3DS just being better value. 3DS sold 75 million because it had full portability, a big game library, mainline Pokemon, actual third-party support, and was the cheapest system on the market. I remember in high school I was the ONE guy who owned a Wii U, while I knew lots of other 3DS owners. The fact that you could play Mario Kart and Smash (Smash 3DS came out before the Wii U version, even) definitely didn't help. Wii U games like Mario Maker and Captain Toad went to 3DS later too. If you had a 3DS, having a Wii U was just not necessary unless you really wanted to play Splatoon that badly.
>>741460023Overhead a mother who thinks that the 3DS is just another DS model.
>>741458552gimmick was too hard to explain to wii sports normalfags and too much extra development work for 3rd parties.the console itself was pretty soulful and had some genuinely unique games and desu the ports of stuff like xcx and w101 lose a lot without the second screen
>>741458552Nintendo really confused everyone with that thing. On a somewhat related note, the same has been going on with Xbox for me lately.I stopped paying attention somewhere during the 360 days and before I knew it there were half a dozen new xboxes with weirdly similar names and I have no clue what's what anymore.
>>741478197it's so easy bro>xbox>xbox 360>xbox one>xbox series xdon't worry, to make it less confusing, they'll make the next xbox be named "xbox first"
>>741478197>xboxYeah they kinda lost me somewhere. Feels like trying to remember CPU names
People blame Miyamoto for the Wii U’s failure, but Miyamoto actually wasn’t that involved with the Wii U’s development before its launch:https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/07/miyamoto_talks_the_new_generation_behind_the_wii_uThe only Wii U game Miyamoto was heavily involved with was Star Fox Zero, and that was basically a last-ditch effort to try and make the Wii U sell some more units by releasing a game made by Miyamoto himself. But that game didn’t start development until like a year AFTER the Wii U launched; it certainly wasn’t part of the Wii U’s launch plan!The people who were actually most involved with Wii U development were Genyo Takeda (veteran Nintendo hardware designer who led development of the original Wii) and Katsuya Eguchi (best known as the creator of Animal Crossing; also produced Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort and Nintendo Land for Wii U).And of course, the Wii U was a continuation of the “Blue Ocean” philosophy that Satoru Iwata previously pushed with the Wii and DS.
Why was Switch so ridiculously successful?
>>741478346Super disingenuous.>Xbox>Xbox 360>Xbox One>Xbox One X and S>Xbox Series S and XMicrosoft is run by morons.
>>741480647Manchildren
>>741480647Developing for the WiiU was an issue that for most developers was simply removed on the switch. Other anons will tell you about raw hardware numbers but not that the arch of the CPU was old asf by that point. The other consoles moved to CPUs that were more like PCs so development was easier, simpler. The WiiU not only was on a different arch, the devs had to work the whole game to also use the Pad and that pad had other issues attached to it like the massive latency, but that's more of a secondary issue and no the main cause of its failure.By moving to a phone like CPU that devs could almost instantly port their shit to (by being compatible with most popular game engines from the get go) the issue of lacking games was no more. It was up to the devs to fine tune their experiences to the hardware (which tales says nintendo sit with some devs for feedback on what it should be improved, which is how we know that Capcom asked for at least 4GB of RAM to give their support, as they wanted RE Engine to also be compatible with the hardware as they were working on it).Nintendo also had a much better dev support compared to the WiiU era, which based on interviews the devs had to struggle with terrible tools to debug and so on.
>>741458552No because it had Splatoon, one of the top 10 games ever made. The Wii-U could have cost $1000 and I would have bought one just to play Splatoon and I'm not exaggerating. The only other games I played on my Wii-U were Mario Maker and Bayonetta 2.
>>741482404Oh wait also Wonderful 101. That actually bolsters Wii-U as being great, just those 4 games. But Splatoon alone would be enough.
>>741458552I remember when they first debuted it and didn't even show the console unit, just the gamepad. That caused a lot of confusion.
>>741477610>Was it the worst Nintendo home console? Yeah, I think that’s a fair assessment.It's not. Nothing is worse than gaycube.
>>741458552WiiU was the moment when we found out what the real tendo fanbase was, minus the normalfags and the kids>inb4 umm I'm a fan and I didn't have oneNot much of a fan if you're skipping entire consoles
>>741460023plenty of parents did, retard
>>741459901The reveal trailer literally kept repeating "new controller" and didn't mention that it's a new console.https://youtube.com/watch?v=4e3qaPg_keg
>>741482650>2011b-but it just came outi-it's a recent console
>>741458552Given the vast majority of people thought it was an add on for the 7 years old Wii yeah it's say it was bad
>>741458552its power was barely on par with the 360 and PS3 just as they were being phased outmost of the casual audience didn't understand what it was or that wii u games didn't work on a wii (witnessed this firsthand)nintendo repeatedly badly fumbled the marketing because they underestimated the problem, which they could've fixed just by making a commercial that said "it's a new console that plays exclusive games" with no ambiguity (the same autism is currently hindering sales of switch 2 edition games because they refuse to plainly say "this cartridge works on both switch and switch 2")
>>741459646>BotW is a Wii U gameLol. Come on. Can you really call a dual release game that has 33.5 million sales on Switch and 1.5 million on Wii U and think this holds any argument?
>>741469038i played several hours of this version. it ran BAD.it was playable but never smooth and it didn't do anything cool with the gamepad. not much different from playing on 360 or PS3 except that it didn't get the DLC because it sold like shit.weird imo that ubisoft never ported it to switch.
>>741482485gamecube got decent versions of most multiplats and several good exclusives. wii u had fewer good exclusives and almost no multiplats except shovelware for young children. gamecube was absolutely better.
>>741483304>wii u had fewer good exclusivesWii U had better exclusives. Gaycube had the worst smash(yes, melee is a broken pile of garbage only liked by furries and pedos), worst mainline Mario and worst mainline Zelda.
>>741458552I think one if the biggest factors is that this Nintendo console never had its own standalone Zelda game. All it had was remakes and BotW immediatly released on a better system. Smash Bros had the same problem by also releasing on 3DS.Also, Ubisoft royally fucked over Nintendo, by pulling out from their exclusives.
>>741458552They tried to sell a console while barely showing what the actual console looked liked. And it looked like an afterthought.
>>741474682Basically all first party WiiU games have been rereleased on Switch or have some superior version like Smash or Splatoon.The only exceptions I can think of are Nintendoland and Starfox Zero
>>741458552>made the perfect all-rounder controller that enables you to play every game already made and more>doesn't get games that take advantage of the controller because every single gamedev is a retard and can't think past the baseline of the xbox controller>lacks grandma appeal because she can play just dance on wii and wiiu adds nothing to it>ends up just an expensive underpowered console
>>741485949Literally looks like a Chinese knockoff hybrid bastard child of an XBone and a PS1.
>>741485662Crazy take, when Pokemon is much more of a system seller yet it didn't had the mandatory 3D battle simulator clone that has been in all consoles since the 64.
I don't regret buying one because Mario Maker 1 was incredible, but the Wii U as a whole really was crap. The UI is fucking terrible, having to have the big ass tablet plugged in even when you wanted to play games that used the pro controller was such a pain. Also lol at the stick placement of the pro controller, genuinely a 'different just to be quirky' moment from Nintendo. And yes the forced gamepad integration for games like Star Fox Zero and Xenoblade X was awful.
>>741487004Exactly, same goes for Pokemon.Basically the WiiU had not many of those staple exclusive first party games that most Nintendo consoles have.
>>741458552Not really, but they fucked up the marketing badly.But it fucking up was also a GOOD thing for those of us that had one because it meant Nintendo had to try and Miiverse was soulful. The big issue was that having one REALLY devalued Early Switch due PORT CENTRAL.Nintendo are always at their worst when they been doing good for an extended period of time.
>>741459901That's exactly what I thought. I stopped paying attention to consoles during 7th gen and when someone posted Wii U on /v/ I thought it was just an accessory. Like the PS1 with a screen.
>>741458552Not *really*, but it did a very poor job of justifying itself. Underpowered, gimmick was not a must-try for the masses, confusing name that led people to think it was an addon or something for the original Wii... this all conspired to make it less popular, which led to less games, and the cycle continued. Nintendo knew they had something with the tablet controller but it wasn't until the Switch that they were able to put everything into the portable package.
>>741458552The marketing and name was, yeah. Shame it was the last time Nintendo had any shred of soul and consumer friendliness left.
>>741458552The Wii wasn't that great, either, but it got hyped for a while. The 7th generation was weird.
>>741482779Yes, because it was made for the Wii U and they gutted functionality just to have that dual release so people wouldn't complain. The slate was literally based on the Wii U gamepad.
>>741478346How about "xbox origin" to make looking for stuff for the 2001 one even more tedious.
>>741488198yep utter and complete self-sabotage
An interesting fact about the Wii U (that not many are aware of) is that Iwata literally admitted in 2012 they wanted to make it fully portable, but they couldn’t get it to work due to technical limitations at the time:https://www.ign.com/articles/2011/06/21/wii-u-was-almost-a-portableI would guess that the other (unstated) reason was they didn’t want to have two portable systems at the same time, since the 3DS launched less than two years before the Wii U.In the long term I think things worked out good for Nintendo because the Switch was their most successful console ever.
>>7414826832011 is recent
>>741458552Yeah. Too many games were made around the idea of playing them with a tablet controller
>>741458552>Nintendo announces the Wiiu>Doesn't show the console for months, many think its just another gimmick controller for the Wii>Around the same time THQ anounces a gimmick controller called the Udraw >Also releasing on the Wii>Saying it out loud its the WiiU draw tablet >The Udraw flops and so does the WiiuThis might sound stupid but i saw normgroids being confused first hand when this went downNintendo should have just fucking revealed the system from the getgo
>>741462532>all those causal Wii gamers fucked off to do other non-gaming shit.They all went to mobile gaming Mobile at up a huge chunk of the mega casual gamers, notice how a bunch of shit like movie tie in games and general shovelware disappeared from consoles once mobile took ofNintendo should have done more market analysis and realised that grandma who bought a Wii in 2006 was now hooked on Candy Crush in 2012
>>741474110>Lets have no real Mario game for the system>Lets instead make a sequel to the most average Mario title in the world >Lets have no original Zelda title >Lets make a new Animal Crossing that solely exists to shill Amibos>Hell Amibos are cool lets shill them at every opportunity >Lets make a terrible Star Fox game>Lets censor tons of Japanese gamesThe only reason you look back fondly on the Wiiu is because Nintendo wasn't going full jew mode (yet)
>>741458552Wii U was a massive success, it sold 3 times more than the Steam Deck.
>>741458552>was the Wiiu that badYes.I can’t imagine a regular consumer (not the hardcore fan base) picking up a Wii U in a store to try it out and saying, "Man, I’ve gotta have this at home!"Actually, it’s quite the opposite. Personally, when I saw it in a store and decided to play Smash for a few minutes, I immediately realized that product wasn't for me... or for anyone I knew. Playing while looking at the TV, holding that huge piece-of-shit tablet that was neither comfortable nor interesting, made absolutely no sense.The Switch that came later was an infinitely better idea.
>>741482779I didn't play a singular Zelda game on my Switch. I played Twilight Princess HD and BotW on my Wii U and jumped right into TotK on the Switch 2.
>>741468195>consoles are on their way outWe haven't had proper home consoles since the PS3/360 generation. Every console since has just been a prebuilt gaming PC with a locked down ecosystem using off-the-shelf PC parts. Xbox is just taking the concept to its logical conclusion with their Xbox branded PC next gen.
>>741458552They should have released a zelda game on it, it's like Nintendo punished those of us that bought one
>>741458552I mean at least some games came out for it. Especially when you consider how much in the way of resources they had in the WiiU and Switch eras compared to the Switch 2 era, the WiiU era actually looks really good. The Switch 2 should have 10x as many games as the WiiU had considering how much more cashed up Nintendo is and how much more ability they have to finance game development, but they're acting like they're still poor and refusing to make any games. It's actually really messed up.
>>741458552No, it was just a naming failure. They already had lots of Wii-something branded stuff, so no-one realised that it was a new console. They just thought it was like any of the dozens of other Wii-whatever stuff that they were already tired of. You have to remember that the clued in people who actually follow stuff closely are a very very very small proportion of the audience of people who buy these things. Most people don't know shit about fuck and buy stuff on a whim on no information.
>>741458552Wii: Gimmick console but the gimmick is goodWiiU: Gimmick console but the gimmick is bad
>>741480913>Xbox>Xbox 360 Core>Xbox 360 Premium>Xbox 360 Arcade>Xbox 360 Elite>Xbox 360 S>Xbox 360 E>Xbox One>Xbox One S>Xbox One S Digital Edition>Xbox One X>Xbox Series S>Xbox Series X
