Is this good character design?
it makes my pp hard so yes, it is
it makes my clit hard so yes, it is
everything that shows tum is good design
>>741460527A generic modern migrant loving whore in a fantasy setting? Yeah truly peak
>>741460527>visible tummy and bellybutton on a body type BThat's problematic fellow gamers.
>>741460527sex
>>741461334>>741461334Do you prefer the updated one?
>>741461458Ewww
>>741461458looks genuinely retarded, which is closer to her actual personality, so I guess they did a good job?
Maiev mogs her
>>741461458The model itself is technically better because it isn't just painted textures, but the older model is clearly superior anyway.
both Jaina models are among the worst character design in WOW of major characters. Bald Jesus Thrall is fucking horrible too though. Eventually it all looks like complete shit
>>741460527Yes!
>>741461458I actually like this look a lot
>>741463457Like most Warcraft designs, they've been slowly watered down since Warcraft 3 at least.
>>741463671jaina is the shittiest character on every level
>>741463765it's not even about her breasts nerfs >>741460527looks completely wrong for her voice and personality. It could almost not be more wrong >>741461458by this time in wow's lifespan the art direction had gotten so abysmal that i don't think any of the characters done from here on don't look like complete shit
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>>741463770What's so bad about jaina? She almost killed all of the horde lmao.
>>741464493she joined forces with orcs to literally kill her own father, brother, and countrymen because he was le racist in a universe where orcs unceasingly slaughter humans at every opportunity >but humans are just as bad because they put the defeated orcs in camps :*(
>>741464493She betrays her own father to get ORC'd.
>>741464585but anon think of how bad they felt being in those camps after burning looting and murdering their way through azeroth :( they said they were sorry think of the innocent crying orc children it's time to forgive and forget ;_;
>>741463969Best wife
>>741460527It's a slightly botched version of good character design.
>>741464701She almost destroys org and was only stopped at the last second. I dont think she minded killing the orcs.
>>741460527Jaina genocided orcs tho. And belves. She’s human to the core
>>741460527>Looks regal and capable>Is also hot>Is also wearing sexy armor that isn't full blown brownoid coomer tierI'd say yes>>741461458It definitely isn't bad design but the model just look stupid altogether
>>741464995if she succeeded she'd be okay. she literally killed her own family in order for blizz to make a point about both sides bad when that's completely untrue in the universe
>>741461458Jaina's new design is actually pretty cool. I like both.
>>741464995>As Jaina arrived into Fray Island, in the Northern Barrens, and started conjuring a massive tidal wave of water elementals to strike Orgrimmar, Thrall arrived barely in time to dissuade her from exacting revenge. Jaina, enraged, engaged in battle against Thrall, who used the power of the elements to lock her into a stalemate. This was taking its toll on Thrall, and when she was ready to strike the blast that would kill the Shaman, Kalecgos arrived and stopped her from murdering Thrall.All these secondaries that dont know her lore think shes just some orc lover. Fascinating
>>741461458Modern WoW looks disgusting
>>741465105Derp she didn’t kill own family she just killed retarded dad>hurr dad was set up to be a bad guy if they hadn’t made him insanely racist he would be fineWell yeah every character is what they are designed to be. If you weren’t designed to be retarded by your parents you coulda been worth a damn
>>741461458>everything must be lined with thick blocky rock edges that are chipped and scratchedI've despised this aesthetic ever since WoW 3
>>741465105If she succeeded the horde wouldnt have.. a captial city? Are you alliance?
>>741460527>>741461458Unironically generic human model Jaina looked better.
>>741463262>it isn't just painted texturesA lot of it still is
>>741465340I played Horde but when it comes to lore I think the writing sucks and the Horde deserve complete genocide and there's no other way to look at it. >>741465284>insanely racist>against an alien species from another planet who constantly genocide humans this is actually how mindfucked you people are lol
We were robbed of Punished Jaina massacring the Horde.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo7XPvwRgG8
>>741465505>I played Horde but when it comes to lore I think the writing sucks and the Horde deserve complete genocide and there's no other way to look at it.I wouldn't say a complete genocide.Just, you know, most of them. All the undead to be sure.
>>741465505>the horde deserves complete genocide What did the tauren do to you?
>>741465548Be happy since they were obviously plotting to kill her off.
>>741465606NTA, but they are fucking ugly and go out of their way to block Dwarves from digging up artifacts for stupid reasons.
Jaina was a neutral character that Blizzard arbitrarily made an Alliance NPC for no other reason than that she is a human.Every piece of retarded story and lore Blizzard forced in around Jaina is based around trying to justify this one fuck up caused by Blizzard being incapable of remembering their own fucking story instead of just making Theramore a neutral town.
>>741465779Classic made a lot of minor mistakes that ballooned upwards. But I would say you could kind of sort off accept them as at least vaguely neutral until Catacylsm where suddenly Stormwind is sending entire armies over via theramore.
>>741465584All of them but the taurn and thevine spefific tribe of trolls. The rest need to be purged from the planet.
>>741465642lmaopozzard would never kill off their stronk womyn characters
>>741465606joined with the horde and helped them commit genocidal violence against humans every few years >>741465548I really like this song and cutscene. probably the last good thing blizz put together in wow
>>741465779imagine being "neutral" in a way between your own family and people and psychopathic aliens who genocide everyone they come across and got to your world by genociding the previous inhabitants of their home world and using their souls to teleport them all to genocide everyone you could ever possibly love that's how smartly blizzard wroted jaina
>>741467737Imagine being a goddess and sending the souls of your worshipers to the fucking Maw. Every single woman in Warcraft lore is a confirmed retard.
Jaina fucks orcs
>>741467737The orcs are actually good guys who were just tricked into demon blood, which is why they went super berserk murder mode. Jaina and her people just stood side-by-side with the orcs to resist those same demons trying to destroy the world and she no longer believes that the orcs are foul monsters that need to be destroyed and now counts their leader, Thrall, among her personal friends.This was the story going into The Frozen Throne and Vanilla World of Warcraft. There was no Garrosh retardation.
bring back sexy women in my epic fantasy mmorpg. Make wow great again!!!
>>741461458Its not really a matter of preference. But I like that it actively reflects how a character might grow and mature. So both versions fit the character at her respective time.Sylvanas "updated" one on the other hand is just blatant trash
>>741467663When the hell did the Lauren's fight humans?
>>741468246This isn't true. The orcs were primitive warlike and pretty evil already which is what led them to Guldan taking over their society with the demon blood. >but they needed to resist the demons >and they needed all the horde characters and stuff to do that ya I know that's the genuine justification but it just bothers me how blizzard clumsily does their "shades of le grey" attempts so everything comes across as retarded
>>741469263they help the horde, i dunno about canon events when taurens actually fought humans... as far as I'm concerned WC3 is super canon and the Tauren were being driven to extinction by quillboars so they suck and should all be dead anyway
>>741460527>>741461458>>741465380no matter which version u pick. she's still a slut,
Midnight's lore is more embarrassing than shadowlands
>>741464585when did blizzard start writing this kind of faggot shit? after wotlk? after BC?
>>741469492Jaina Proudmoore helps Rexxar in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. This happens during the Orc Bonus Campaign, titled "The Founding of Durotar" (specifically in the final chapter, "The Siege of Theramore").Torn between her desire for peace with Thrall's Horde and loyalty to her father, Grand Admiral Daelin Proudmoore, Jaina steps aside and allows Rexxar's forces to breach the city. She does this to prevent a larger, bloodier war, allowing the Horde to strike her father directly.>hits pipe
>>741469492Are you like 15?Have you never played Warcraft 3?Or are you just a braindead retarded culture warrior that doesn't actually play video games?Holy fuck please fucking kill yourself you dumb fucking retarded faggot
All her designs are idiotic.>the old with a breastplate but fully exposed belly and everything else>the overengineered new whatever bullshit that isThey should have just given her a normal mage robe instead of being retarded.
>>741469601>>741469492>these literal aliens who do nothing but genocide and have already genocided and attempted to genocide us multiple times are... BAD >baka, my dad's blinded by his bigotry n hatred n sheit we finna gonna have to cap this opp frfr >rexxar kill my dad and burn my brother alive lol ya good character blizz
>>741469319>the taurens should all be dead>the orcs should all be dead>the undead should all be dead>the trolls should all be deadAnd we should only have 1 faction. The alliance.
>>741469736and wow shouldn't exist and everyone who was paid to work on it since TBC should have to repay all of their "earnings"((())) with interest working real jobs after serving out prison sentences of varying lengths of time depending on how much "work" they did on the game
>>741469717She did get bitchslapped when she returned to the kultirans at like battle of azeroth. If it helps?
>>741469612most people posting on v under 30 have probably never played wc3
>>741469612>>741469601im over 30 and i never played warcraftgod damn calm down
>>741469830didn't she like... end up leading the kultirans and expose some ursula looking woman as being evil and she's totally cool with them except her mom was sort of mad at her>for literally killing her husband and son to help orcs who would, for years afterwards, destroy human civilization >because one orc was nice once and she saw 11 pictures of internment camps that'll make you say fuck having borders and laws and sheit
>>741469926im the 2nd guy you quoted i wasn't insulting you I just posted the part of the game where that's from to help you D:
>>741469276>This isn't true. The orcs were primitive warlike and pretty evil already which is what led them to Guldan taking over their society with the demon blood. This is WoD revisionism.The whole point of Warcraft 3 was that the orcs used to be goodbois until they got high on demon blood. There were a couple of orcs that were evil like Gul'dan who knew the true nature of the demon's blood and fel magic, but they were the exceptions.Warcaft 3 was the first piece of major media to play around with the idea of goodboi orcs and it basically popularized the idea. And it played that idea straight right up until about Cataclysm.Jaina being nice to the orcs is supposed to be reflective of the fact that she now knows that they aren't evil. Of course, starting with Cataclysm and especially once you hit WoD, Blizzard started treating the orcs like they were always murder apes and all the fel magic did was make them worse, but that wasn't the lore in Vanilla.
>>741472802okay you're right, i do recall the backstory being the orcs and draenai were peacefully coexisting or whatever and the orcs were primarily shamanistic. But still, by the time Jaina encounters any orcs they are completely fucked and not eliminating them/actually helping them to kill your own family makes no sense
>>741473084If you were writing jaina to be sympathetic to her dad you'd just be making a villan? How is that hard to understand?
>>741461458I am so glad I quit WoW when I did.
>>741473213exterminating aliens who are blatantly evil and a threat to your entire species does not make you a villain. there are 0 shades of grey despite blizz's attempt to draw them
why are all wow threads just coomer circlejerks
>>741472802Nigga what? Orcs have always been relatively primitive murder apes, given they lived in a pretty merciless place (Draenor). Thrall was different because he grew up a human family's slave, he's the one who started goodboi orcs because he grew up in an environment with relatively decent humans (some of them) and merged some of their values with Draenor shamanism
>>741473265This argument youre making is dumb. Her dad was the villan. Its the orc campaign retard.
>>741464995>Jaina is so fucking strong she could conjure a literal magic tsunami that would've caused massive damage if not completely wiped out a capital city>Accomplished this god-like power because she...studied a lot>Does literally nothing else, everUtterly shit character desu
>>741473329>he's the one that started goodboi orcs I also think he's the only goodboi orc major character in the entire franchise. His retarded decision to put the violentest retard on the throne leads to humans being genocided, like what happens literally every time they have any interaction with orcs that isn't le ebin wrathgate cinematic. Without thrall their entire society would be "biggest murder ape rule all other murder ape" and they would genocide everyone else they encountered, forever. Thrall is a massive piece of shit for not realizing this and cleansing azeroth of them himself.
>>741473495>Does literally nothing else, everSo we gonna ignore her bringing an entire peoples into the alliance to play pretend she didnt do more?
>>741465191>orcs killed by Jaina: 0 >fathers and brothers killed by Jaina: 2 totally redeemed herself
>>741460527Apparently
>>741473603why were they not part of the alliance again? Oh ya Jaina killed their leader and prince, her family members.
>>741473513>I also think he's the only goodboi orc major character in the entire franchise.Pretty much
>>741473621She fucking killed a ton of orcs after thereamore was bombed by garrosh. She also killed a lot of elves in dalaran. Stop larping.
>>741473621>orcs fucked by Jaina: 1
>>741473676Her dumbass dad and bro got themselves killed because they were weak and simple-minded. All they had to do was come to the same conclusion Jaina had that thrall wasnt that bad. But no.
>>741473749despite how retarded of a lore decision it is, the elves apparently joined the horde and so deserve to be completely removed from existence >she killed some orcs the 5th time they destroyed her homeland lot of loyalty for a hired kirin tor >or something Jaina is the shittiest written character i can think of, from anything
>>741473808Jaina has only canonically fucked Arthas. Larping ass retard.
>>741461458I unironically do.Shame they made her crazy.
>>741473845Thrall is literally the only one that isn't that bad, and even when he's by far the most powerful orc to ever exist he fails to prevent his people from literally destroying Jaina's entire city. I'd feel sad if I LOST a loved one, let alone murdered two of them to protect someone who repays me and my people by letting them all be genocided >bbbut thrall didn;t okay but no orcs no genocide of theramore. there is no moral argument that supports their existence and if you need to write this story medivh should have made things happen by explaining that some orcs and forsaken and whoever else who are going to exist have a role to play in ending the legion and if they don't exist then persist in the doomed world, etc, and they have to grudgingly work together as allies, not "but i see le good in him" followed by horde atrocity after horde atrocity after horde atrocity, none prevented by thrall, all against humanity
>>741473864>the elves deserved to be removed from existence because they joined the horde. So lets eliminate the most popular playable race because... horde is bad. Are you underage? Im serious.
>>741473916And Kalegos. Goalpost moving retard.
>>741474008it's a lore discussion anon. I main forsaken and also enjoy playing orc warlocks and female orc is one of my favourite models, and I much prefer the orc levelling progression, but in lore there's no justification for the horde to exist, especially when the humans could have ended them quite a few times>in classic, i never really played any of the other expansions besides tbc
>>741474049What you dont like Kalegos? Also when did that happen? Hes a dragon.. they dont fuck humans.
>>741461458I prefer being on the right side of history!
>>741474061Without the horde. Everybody loses to the old gods. Onyxia/rag become stupidly harder to kill. Everybody would eventually die to deathwing or kil'jaeden. Congrats anon.
>>741474148>this IS NOT happening (everywhere, all the time) >and if it is it's not a big deal >and if it is it's good, actually >and why do you care lol get a life
>>741474148>muh modern day politics >discussing a game from the 90sSure.
>>741474178in the current timeline, this is meta information we have today that had nothing to do with Jaina's decisions in wc3. You could just as easily argue that >without the horde there would be a 1 faction game in which the protagonists win and i wouldn't even include wow lore in a discussion about jaina in the first place because it's all retarded
>>741474290>wow lore is all retarded Amazing analysis of the entire warcraft setting. Ok so, Thrall was a massive benefit to the hyjal defense. But you'd rather have the proudmoore dad there instead of him?
>>741474412nah thrall can stick around, apologize for existing as part of his race, and help to exterminate them then be a hermit or something
The Horde has never had a good Warchief.
>>741473749> She also killed a lot of elves in dalaran.Not cannon, she only teleported them into the violet hold, Vereesa and her elves were the only ones actually doing any klilling.
>>741474412>Amazing analysis of the entire warcraft setting. every single character and plotline is >so and so became corrupted There are unironically so few exceptions to this that it's comical
>>741474468Saurfang is also a pretty chill guy. So was Volgin. I dont really get this idea of extermination of the horde because the previous warchief and guldan waged a few wars on the alliance. Even irl we dont just kill everybody we go to war with. Its unrealistic that the alliance would go full retard on the horde after wc3.
>>741474648we go to war with other humans, not aliens whose first contact was a genocidal war against mankind and who have been killing ceaselessly since then >saurfang is a pretty chill guy not really, he participated in all the original genocidal wars against humanity. if he understood what it meant to take human lives he should be guilty enough internally to kill himself over it
>>741474634I dont really care if they retcon it or something later. As watching Jaina one shot elves in dalaran was absolute cinema. And im horde.
>>741474723jaina in charge of retribution against the people who killed her family and everyone she ever knew or cared about >never ever never ever never never gonna happen Jaina in charge of killing human resembling people who grew and lived alongside her for her entire life and only recently and circumstantially became enemies >with glee I think blizzard accidentally really cooked something up here, gets the almonds activated for sure
>>741474703>the orcs are just aliens That can be and have been reasoned with multiple times to help save the entire planet from death lords, gods, dragons, and literal demons. >they killed some humansHumans are still largely in control of the most of the planet.
>>741461458Objectively yes
>>741474848>That can be and have been reasoned with multiple times to help save the entire planet from death lords, gods, dragons, and literal demons. not Jaina's motivation at the time, her motivation was >but i see good in him father and those good orcs just kept on killing humans forever. at best the alliance should all be resolute on using them for help against the legion and as soon as that's resolved killing every single one of them
>>741474723>I dont really care if they retcon it or something later.It was in the original quest, there was just a bug that caused her to do too much damage sometimes.
>>741474821Can I ask why you like Darrik proudmoore this much? I dont even remember him being likeable like how Garithos was.
>>741464995>this entire city must be purged, stratholme:/>this entire city must be purged, orgrimmar:o
>>741474960I don't even remember anything about him. I just have a weird moral line about killing your closest family members to help genocidal aliens sack your home city. This is blizzard so it's "shades of grey" but if it were Dante Jaina would be the top offender being chewed up by Satan for all eternity in the maw. It's amazing people don't seem to realize just how insane the actions she took were
>>741473329No.Once again, the WHOLE POINT of Warcraft 3 was that the orcs used to be peaceful shamanistic goodbois before the Burning Legion came.Hell, part of the TBC lore with the Draenei is that they lived peacefully alongside the orcs until the Eredar found them again and corrupted the orcs specifically to kill them.
Its coming across real odd that Jainas >slaughter every orc arcIs being ignored. Her character is about showing that even kind/forgiving people have their limits and potential to start waging wars. You'd think people would like that about her. Its character growth.
>>741475075>tbc lore in warcraft 3 the orcs are the surviving remnants of a psychopathic genocidal army that tried to (with quite a lot of success) kill every human. Those are the people Jaina betrays her family for directly by murdering them.
>>741460527Original was better
>>741475034If you dont even remember this guy other than that Jaina inadvertently killed him by helping out thrall. Your case of him suddenly being a sacred cow is bad. Just because hes family doesnt gain him immunity from getting his ass kicked. Dude was hating on the one good orc and he got got. Who gives a shit?
>>741475118she never actually did anything though, the only people she actually killed off in large numbers were >everyone in theramore x2 >some elves
>>741474178The Horde caused or brought a majority of the problems Azeroth currently has or had in the past. The only reason demonic invasion, splintering orc factions, old god summonings via Twilights Hammer(again an orc clan led by Cho’Gall a former Hordie), The Scourge, the second Burning Legion invasion, BFA, Iron Horde and numerous other issues exist is because of those green nigger abominations.
>>741475196>killing your own father and brother is a weird thing to consider bad ok retard
>>741460527https://youtu.be/Fo7XPvwRgG8going into BFA this gave me high hopes
>>741475261>killing my genocidal dad is bad actually Wow someone tell Jaina to not kill her dad so her dad kills thrall and the world ends because the strongest shaman on the planet is now dead.
>>741475230>the entire game exists because of the horde Wow. Make me more of a horde fan why not.
>>741475575good thing it exists otherwise transmog/mount farmers wouldn't be able to farm transmogs and mounts anymore
>>741475159TBC was following along from the themes of Warcraft 3. It wasn't really until Cataclysm and especially WoD that Blizzard started portraying the orcs as always having been murder apes. Before that point, the orcs were only a genocidal army because they were tricked into drinking demon's blood. After decades in the internment camps, the influence of the demon's blood begins to wane and the orcs began to return to their former selves. Then, finally, in Warcraft 3 when Grom kills Mannoroth, the orcs are finally fully liberated from demonic influence. Meaning that they're no longer murder apes in service to demons and are goodbois again. When Jaina first encounters the orcs in Kalimdor, she initially reacts with hostility believing them to be the murder apes they were in the first two games. However, after interacting with them for a while, she realizes that they aren't the monsters they were before.That's like the central fucking theme of Warcraft 3. The only way you couldn't get that is if you didn't play it. It remains a theme up until about Cataclysm where Blizzard started with the "I guess the orcs are just murder apes anyway lmao" shit.
>>741475621>That's like the central fucking theme of Warcraft 3. The only way you couldn't get that is if you didn't play it. I know. The central theme of warcraft 3 is built on a totally retarded false moral equivalency with blizztards horribly written shades of grey factions. The fact remains that Jaina literally murdered her own father and brother to help her people's enemies, and that those people she helped would repay her by destroying her entire city and murdering humans, repeatedly, forever. This is what I'm talking about. The entire premise for Jaina and this whole story is retarded and nonsensical.
The notion of genociding an entire race of people just because your dad told you too is really stupid.
>>741475898she has a built in dialogue and continuation option for such scenarios. something about being unable to watch people do things and walking away
>>741475712>The fact remains that Jaina literally murdered her own father and brother to help her people's enemiesNo she fucking didn't. She doesn't stop Thrall and Rexxar from killing her dad, but she doesn't help them either.
Jaina when people are about to be genocided and she thinks there's probably another way >this hurts my heart but i still love you sort of lol, don't get too much human blood on your mace <3 Jaina when her personal city state is about to be sacked and her immediate family members murdered >I'll help :D bravo blizz
>>741476037Jaina directly contributed to Admiral Daelin Proudmoore's death during the events of Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne by actively standing aside and withholding her military forces. Believing that the survival of Azeroth required peace with the newly formed Horde, she took the following actions:Stood Down: Jaina ordered her own troops at Theramore to stand down when Thrall and Rexxar's forces arrived to fight her father, refusing to engage in the defense of her city.Assisted the Horde: She actively provided the Horde with goblin zeppelins and ships so they could bypass traditional naval blockades and launch a direct assault on the Admiral.Failed to Sway Him: When the Admiral, who was fiercely driven by anti-orc vengeance, refused to listen to her pleas to stop his hostile takeover of Theramore, Jaina made the agonizing choice to let the Horde strike him down.
>>741476012I think ill take a nuanced "poorly written" character if its Thrall and Jaina. Also before turtle wow died one of the last things I did was raid theramore and kill her.
>>741476090>directly helped kill her dad by letting her dad get his ass kicked and asking him to stop being a retard Lmao
>>741461128Based
>>741476103all of their supposed "nuance" comes from the story making no sense and them both being completely retarded >Thrall is in charge of the horde, a despicable band of turbo warlike freak races who just like killin >puts the biggest murder retard in charge of the horde because his dad (the former biggest murder retard) was his friend - does nothing to prevent either of said murder retards from murdering retardedly >then appoints a stoned retarded jamaican to lead the horde who dies to an npc and is stupid enough to make the evilest character alive leader of the horde because he was tricked by a god who wants people to die >sylvanas then proceeds to gruesomely continue genociding everyone using the horde thrall created - again, green jesus does nothing >one world tree later>one billion elfs dead later>one billion humans experimented on later >thrall sleep jaina should have personally killed this retard
>>741476209>it doesnt make sense for this story to do things like have a main character survive with the help of a traitor
>>741464995That book this happened in is objectively really good.
>>741465548>>741467663These trailers for WoD were way more kinohttps://youtu.be/FRnabRRi1ik
>>741473427>he's the villain because...HE JUST IS, OK??
>>741460527I never liked WoW's cartooney aesthetic even 20 years ago.
>>741477580Humans can't be badguys?
>>741469736Tauren, no.Orcs, yes.Undead, yes.Trolls, PROBABLY but I'll give them a chance to get their shit together.
>>741478174They can, but he was not.
>>741478538>just give trolls a chancebro trolls are human and elfkinds oldest enemy and 99% of them to have ever existed are completely evil
>>741478602... he was fighting a losing battle and got told to surrender
>>741464493She did not do it, thats what so bad.
>>741478538Trolls are naturally evil. Everywhere you go cannibalism, aztec adjacent empires founded on blood rituals and eldritch magic, worshipping voodoo spirits, old gods, genocide, oppression etc
>>741467663Againts night elves too, who were tauren buddies for ages and only wanted orcs to fucking stop cutting down their gardens.
>>741478886>tauren visits the undercity.jpg nelves should kill and consume every cow
>>741465779>neutral>a leader of human refugees>alliance are said humans, ne cause (fuck off from our forest fucking tree-hating bioconstructs), dwarves cause fuck off from our mines you pillaging greenskins, and gnomes no fucking ideas why but i guess orcs did some shit to them too.>no reason for leader of founding species of alliance to be allianceIs being retarded a requirement to be horde player?
>>741479039Orcs dindu nuffin' need mo' alliance reparations for dem programs.
>>741473084They did not. Orcs never lived peacefully with anyone. They are fucking biorobots designed to destroy plants.Its like being peaceful with tyranids. Only undead are their true friends cause they kind of designed to kill every living thing.
>>741473329Orcs made draenor a shithole. It was decent place before that (as decent as having hostile encounters behind every corner, just like azeroth).
>>741479263This isn't true at all because they got along fine with the draenai before demon blood and guldan
>>741475371Did she know the “we will need this fucking asshole when big bad dragon be cataclysm” argument?Why the fuck people always resort to some meta and anachronistic shit in arguments?
>>741479548Clearly the writer's behind her knew that thrall was pretty cool and that Jaina would go on to do some cool things like fight at hyjal with thrall. Kinda like a marvel movie if that helps your zoomer brain understand. They were getting the crew together.
>>741476012>unable to watch people do thing and walk away>does exactly that when thrall kills her fatherLmao
>>741479635no she actively aided thrall and rexxar and was crucial in the deaths of both family members.
>>741478665He lost battle cause his traitor daugher sabotaged defences (ordered forces to stand down) and supplied orcs with weapons.Besides, loosing doesnt mean he is bad guy in moral sense.
>>741479771Her forces couldve just ignored her if they gave a shit about her retard dad
>>741479528No, it is not true. They were hunting them and when drainei crushed they slaughtered them too.
The orcs were just trying to go to kalimdor iirc. It was stupid to try and fight them when your own daughter is saying chillax.
>>741479631>some zoomer nonsense ramblingsYou dont even understand what meta and anachronism are.
>>741479809>grasping for strawsI guess. Theramore patriots should have cut her down the moment she gave order to ignore orcs invading.
>>741480056The orcs weren't invading. They just needed a place to live and kalimdor is just some shithole not really worth fighting over. If he was smart he couldve bided his time till the orcs started to fuck with the night elves and offer to support them.
Jaina lore is a strong argument for democracy - unelected leader make retarded decision based on her lusts and personal profits, not the will of the people and good of the nation.
>>741479963Jaina isn't a complete retard bro. The orcs would be helpful at fighting things that were much more dangerous than themselves. She wanted peace as well. Something you don't seem to understand
>>741480123What the fuck do you talk about? Orcs were already in calimdor, living in their pigsty.
>>741480293So you get to vote Jaina in and she does it anyway?
>>741480293>having the orcs to help fight super demons is just a personal whim
>>741480335My mistake >Lord Admiral Daelin Proudmoore arrived in Kalimdor seeking vengeance against the newly established Horde for atrocities committed in past wars. He viewed the orcs as irredeemable monsters and threatened the fragile peace Jaina had established with Thrall
>>741461458It makes sense in universe. She's like 50 in current WoW. Too old to be dressing like a whore.
ugly
>>741480309Peace was never an option with orcs. They start murdering everyone around the moment they feel strong enough.Every bad shit is tied to horde - undead, demons, old gods.>no, we wuz good boisThrall friend drunk mannoroth blood again to aid in invasion of ne lands and killed cenarius. They literally cant stop doing shit like that.
>>741480358>this one orc did fight the demon that tried to murder him, that makes all orcs good
>>741480528They literally don't do that when fighting the lich king/old gods/deathwingYou are trying to make stuff up about the orcs with some fanfic ass logic that they're always aggro at everything. If this was true why would Jaina even try to get along with these monstrous killers? They'd have been trying to kill her because they are bloodthirsty. It doesn't take until a fucking Garrosh starts being s retard fucking 6 expansions in that she has any reason to start fucking them up.
>>741480340I vote Garithos and Sally
>>741480638>why would jaina She's a poorly written character conceived of by dumb dumb idiot heads who put no thought into this stuff beyond "shades of grey"
>>741480604>this one orcYou're a complete retard nigga. The orcs had an army to fight the scourge/burning legion at hyjal.
>>741480638What fanfic, dumbass? It is wc3Orcs invade NE lands, cenarius stops them, Hellscream drinks mannoroth blood (again) to kill cenarius.>why would sheCause she is retard and her writer is retard.
>>741480678>she's dumb because she saw the writing on thy wall that this entire race of people would be useful in the future and wanting to keep peaceOk bro I'm just going to write you off as a retard then.
>>741480759>orcs invade nelf lands Not a humans problem at allThe argument is for humans wanting to kill all the orcs not the night elves.
>>741480760>i will let them get away with any shit cause one of them can be useful in future (he actually doesnt do shit for years)Great.
>>741480760>*unsheathes katana*>leave the multibillion dollar company ALONE
>>741480837How was she supposed to know thrall would appoint Garrosh as warchief and that it would be Garrosh' job to start putting the WAR back in WARCRAFT
>>741480837As I pointed out in many previous posts, too, even if this is the case, Thrall didn't exactly honour his friendship or debt to Jaina considering his own negligence and genuinely retarded decisions led to warchief appointment after warchief appointment which all resulted in massive loss of human life and genocides of nightelves, and other races, entirely conducted by the horde he set up and vouched for as goodbois
>>741480853We're talking about blizzard. Not Activision blizzard you complete retard.
>>741480828The argument is that orcs always do shit like that even when they know precisely it is bad.Secondly, whats the point of alliance if its members ignore problems of other members?
>>741461458I think I saw a couple of videos of her and her mother
Jaina wanted peace in a game called warcraft. Damn she's written so poorly she should've been like all for war and constant bloodshed if she was smart. Everybody not alliance shouldve been killed if the alliance was well written. Forget anything else that could be a threat like the lich king or dragons of death they don't matter.
>>741481008I've seen those too
>>741481008Same
So then in times of relative peace Garrosh motherfucking Hellscream comes up he fucks over Jaina by blowing up her entire city. Jaina crashes out a bit and is about to wipe org off the face of the planet until her dragon bf comes up to tell her that she needs to chill out. If she was better written shed have killed thrall. Killed org. Then probably killed Kalegos too lets be honest. Way better writing.
>>741480872If she was not a retard she could have noticed certain patterns in horde behavior and realize that orcish atrocities are inevitable.They are amoral murderhobos, every friend of thrall is murderer, genocidal invader and cannibal, and thrall never did anything to stop them from behaving like horde of the old.
But no we have to have dumb shit like nuance and themes n such. Instead of total orc death. Total horde collapse and decimation. Alliance may take a few million loses during the war of fighting the horde but it would be worth it because. It would be. There's no burning legion. No scourge. No old gods. Just horde and alliance.
>>741481016>meta as an argument
>>741481187Don't ball rexxar a hobo lmao
>>741481217>>741481121>mindbroken orc pig ramblings
>>741481241>its metaNigga they fought the burning legion together wtf is meta about referencing the game itself?
>>741461458she looks like she's wearing carpet
>>741481275Im an undead player actually.
>>741480906>leave Chris Metzen alone NOW >*channels ki beam* >don't make me use this power
>>741481217>alliance may take a few million lossesno not if they just killed all the internment camp orcs while they had them there
>>741481592>advocating for war crimesYou're insane
>>741481292you genuinely might be retarded
>>741481547I just dont know how you could play wc3 and come away with the idea that the orcs need to all die. It's kinda silly.
>>741481619war crimes don't apply to aliens from another planet powered by demons and whose entire motivation is genociding your race
>>741481623And you may be a sociopath
>>741481657because, Chris, I think with how retardo the orcs were written and presented the value of human lives are far greater and sparing the orcs caused repeated and unending enormous death totals for humans, and their allies. I think carnivorous centipedes are less valuable than my own children and would be happy to see them go extinct.
>>741481665>powered by demonsLarp alert. They had started to learn shamanism again not long after said camps.
>>741481720and every millisecond thrall personally looks away from the horde he created they go on psycho murder sprees against humans and elves. Despite this thrall never really apologizes or accepts any responsibility for the goodboi golem he created and just keeps doing nothing while tons of people die
>>741481719Humans actually killed the most humans in warcraft.
>>741481764He killed Garrosh though so.. wtf
>>741481783Medivh was possessed by Sargeras as an infant >bbbut so were the orcs okay and 100% of medivhs were killed for their crimes against humanity, despite not being fully responsible. Now kill 100% of orcs for the same reason please
Jainas dad wanted to kill all orcs and he failed because his daughter didn't want to kill all orcs because she kinda liked one of em. This is bad writing. Jaina shouldve just helped her dad. And have no arc at all beyond being some lacky.
>>741472802>This is WoD revisionism.TBC already shows them as primitive pre-Legion, and Classic showed they were still warmongering invaders even post-Mannaroth.
Which Sylvanas is best Sylvanas?
>>741482065>tbc shows them as primitiveyou mean on their nearly entirely destroyed fel and demon fucked planet? yeah that has a way of devolving people.you fucking retard.
>>741482154The one with arthas boot in her face
>>741482154they're all so bad
>>741481692Orcs are sociopaths
Sex with troll women
>>741481292Once. They did it once, when BL tried to kill them.
>>7414821543 body with 5 face
>>741482154this one
>>741481657>meanwhile in wc3>orcs listen to medivh (guy responsible for their invasion in first place)>orcs slaughter some coastal town to steal ships>orcs destroy local wildlife and help guy named bloodhoof>orcs invade elves>orcs drink demon blood and kill nature god>demand concessions from ne and humans to help them fight guy, fighting him is in orcs survival interests too>destroy locals in calimdor>kill jainas family and sack her townOrcs totally good boys.
>>741482186>Oh they were actually super civilised pre-Mannaroth>No I have no evidence for thisFucking retard.
>>741482462to this day people say blizz's godawful art department is "carrying the company."
>>741482661They are, the actual world looks good, sets and mounts as well
All this talk about if the orcs are good or not, or when they changed from good to bad, or changed back.>but the demon blood!Look who they hang out with:>Trolls>Race of berserkers more barbarous and savage than the orcs>'I got axe for you!'>'What you wanna kill?'>Always shown to be cannibals, ruthless killers, and associated with great evils; hostile to evryone, including each other, including the darkspear - the player tribe - who are nonethless hostile to every other kind of troll and almost everyone else.>They have no demon blood excuse.>Undead>Actual unnatural aberrations>Most of the quests in their own lands involve furthering insidious plots>'But they were tricked! They're really just trying to make their way in the world!' Wrong!>Undead have had 'cannibalism' as their racial skill since the very start and will continue to have it for all time. Ergo, they are evil flesh eating ghouls and no honourable race would ever align with them, especially any that has any regard for the natural (aka has shamans and/or druids).How the tauren, consistently presented as an honourable warrior culture the likes of which orcs are often claimed to be, tolerate any of the rest of the horde post WCIII is beyond me.
>>741465606They'd be tasty:<)
>>741465606They're full of desperate single moms.
>>741482873I disagree and that doesn't matter if every single character is ugly as shit
>>741482346>Orcs are sociopathsGarrosh did nothing wrong and you know it.
>>741472802>This is WoD revisionismThat's Warcraft for you. Pick whatever point has has your favourite retcons and avoids your least favourite.
>>741460527>>741461458So she just became a cat lady after Arthas went apeshit?
>>741483010Most boomers (millennials) started out with WC3 and didn't play WC1 and 2 where the Orcs were the clear villains.Garithos and the Admiral's position were perfectly understandable if people played the first 2 games and didn't start with 3 or WoW.
>>741483883Pretty much. Not even green negroes wanted her.
>>741482462arthas should have raped her before turning herhe's already peak evil, rape is just saying hello in front of the sunwell
>>741481048moar
>tfw just beaten Reforged a few days ago>tfw Medivh is retarded and could have saved more humans>tfw Jaina just let Thrall kill her people twice over, one during their initial refugee landing and letting the orcs sack Theramore
>ywn Caverns of Time that shit and save them from becoming bitter old hags
>>741463765>>741464797Arthas should have put babies inside of her instead of chasing a dreadlord, what a retard lmao
>>741484016HEY! Don't lump me in with those retards. Orcs have always been evil, stopped playing the game for a bit because I didn't want to do the mission when I was a kid.
as a human male i am entitled to a windrunner wife
>>741484142Jaina got a lot of humans killed. Remember the events of the NighElf missions. Oh shit, remember how Hellscream didn't mention that there's a whole race of Elves out in the woods and they'll kill everyone. Shit, come to think of it. WC3's story would have ended a lot sooner, with the humans winning, if people just fucking talked to each other. Why the fuck did we think WC3 had good writing? Was it really that no one else had said the "Orcs were just misunderstood" before them?
>>741461458Belongs on the walls at Target.
>>741463721Have you ever fapped to her?
>>741482154Where's the skin?
Why did the plague only affect Lordaeron? There's like 6 more human kangdomz on the same continent plus the token manlet kangdom split into 3Also are high elves really that weak that the undead just steamrolled over them?
>>741484497Yes
>>741460527Hey, it could have been worse.
>>741484418I'm not sure if Jaina knew about the night elves but Grom certainly did and did nothing to warn Thrall KWAB.Medivh went through pains to influence Thrall and Furion in their dreams but didn't do any of that sort with Terenas, Arthas and Antonidas. He shows up randomly next to Arthas and failed to convince him that he's being and about to be played.Not even sure how Jaina managed to command a ton of humans to sail west, not even an interlude.
>>741484574who makes the best wow/warcraft porn? only know liard, lawnmower, ambrosine and noname55
>>741484418As I recall, the Orcs series of novels, starting with picrel in 1999 was the first popular thing to go for the misunderstood orcs. Blizzard probably hastily rewrote war3 to steal its ideas.
>>741484680i like zentaeron and valnoressajust remember to -futa -futanari
After the battle of Mount Hyjal, humans and orcs ran through many night elf girls as punishment for killing their friends earlierThe druids just watched of course
>>741484658>Not even sure how Jaina managed to command a ton of humans to sail west
>>741461458>no tummyit's objectively horrendous
>>741484658I always chalked that up to her being the Now strongest wizard and then after the expantions being the daughter of the Grand Admiral. But then they show randos like "DUKE LIONHEART" who's a fucking Duke, taking orders from a kid. Like, idk WC3 writing is dumb and it took me 20 years to figure that out.
>>741460527she looks like a nortubel characterso no
If your ex-bf was a gigachad prince turned Anakin Skywalker you will no longer stoop down to any other dude, the other dude pining for her was an elf prince If Anduin were older they would have banged but he's literally just a kid and she's practically his mother/auntJaina is practically a high class woman who only likes royalty
>Warcraft 4>Jaina is a granny spinster>Anduin is in his 50s>somehow Archimonde and the Lich King have returned>also Sylvanas becomes alive again but chooses to become undead once more as well saving Azeroth forever
>>741484016I dont remember much from wc2, I was like 7 or 8, but wc3 clearly showed them as barbaric horde. The only good thing they did there is agree to protect their own lives along with others. Which is hardly “good” per ce, it is “not insanely shortsighted and evil”.
Why did Blizzard pussy out?
>>741461458Why did they give her BPD hair?
>>741484418Honestly, I have no fucking idea why Medivh did not drop to anyone else by prince retard and green jesus. I mean, how hard it will be to go to HE and say - hey, remember sargeras? He kind of got the entire horde of undead ready to drop on human kingdoms, maybe it is good time to call your ne cousin and ask if they are fine with you squatting on their sofa, give them a wakeup call, you know.Instead he just told “run” to pair of retards and asshole.And thrall is an asshole at least, while jaina actively appeased warmongering orcs, he did nothing at all to stop that.
>>741484712Never heard of this book. Was it a big deal back then? Doubt.
>>741487309Making someone more based then their were is forbidden.
>>741487309never played wow but qrd on jaina after the bonus campaign?
>>741461458This is not Jaina to me, but I do like the design. One of the rare good things to come out of modern WoW.
>>741487659Why not? She just grew up from teen to milf.
ban blizzfaggots
>>741460527no, space marine shoulder pads were always retarded
For me it's Alleria, Vereesa
>>741483275I mean yeah WoD models kinda raped the actual characters and the soul of the game completely but what can you do
>>741487604takes charge of Theramore, helps out with the Northrend campaign, cries a bunch about Arthas, then gets blown up with her city and goes nuclear. Tries to go THD but gets talk-no-jutsu'd by Anduin. Then goes home and becomes leader of Kul Tiras after everyone hating her guts, iirc.
>>741488531>Tries to go THD but gets talk-no-jutsu'd by Anduinwhy?im assuming this anduin guy is the pasty white blonde arthas replacement im seeing in trailers
latest end raid boss from nublizzardidk if I even want to resub for 12.1
Is WoW worth getting into if I only care what happened to the WC3 characters?
>>741488595Some bullshit like “we are better then them”, “think of the thrall children”, “i have pooped, magic clean it”
she doesnt have much time left for children
>>741488953kek kwabfuck blizzard
>>741488818No. If anything, you better not know what happened to wc3 characters. Btw, what the fuck, what year it is? Its 2026 here, 25 years after wc3. Quarter of century. Children of children born the same year as wc3 will go to school this autumn.
>>741489025>you better not know what happened to wc3 charactersI kinda do.
>>741488818No, WoW squanders most WC3 characters>Arthasturns into a supervillain who gets himself killed trying to do 200IQ chess after doing doing in Vanilla and TBC>Utherdead, until he's made a gay angel in the afterlife, does nothing>JainaBecomes some sort of psycho bitch who barely has anything to do with her older character>Muradin"Died" but didn't actually, comes back and is fine, is just a background character at this point>Kel'thuzaddead, makes more plans and dies again, also betrayed Arthas in the afterlife or something>Anub'arakDied unceremoniously in the worst WotLK raid>SylvanasWriter's pet until recently where she's just a background character>MalfurionWas a bum until Cataclysm, didn't do too much there and then basically disappeared and retired after BfA where he got an axe in the back somehow>Tyrandewas on her way to becoming yaaaas queen slay but then Sylvanas surpassed her yaaaaas queen powerlevel by being the writer's waifu, retired with malfurion for now>MaievBum who was sidelined by Blizzard, can't defend Teldrassil either because the writer's waifu has to torch a landmass sized tree with catapults ok>IllidanProbably the only character that survives and does something, gets killed kind of unceremoniously in TBC only to return in Legion and basically be the main character, accomplishes everything he wants to do and jails space satan>Kael'thasCharacter assassinated and voice actor excommunicated over some bogus sex shit from a stalker>Lady VashDead in a one and done TBC mid-tier raid>ThrallFamily man, writer's pet up until Cata and then basically retired until he didn't>Gromreturns in a time travel plot that ends before it can go anywhere, his son is way cooler than he is (in WoW anyway)>CairneDies off screen despite the fact that he should've won, his son is a bum>RexxarBasically nothing has happened to him and he's a happy background character who's occasionally seen hanging out with Chen or Rokhan
>>741489474doing nothing in vanilla and TBC*
>>741460527>>741461128Very
>>741489474Thanks, what the fuck Blizzard
>>741489628yeahforgot a few kind of>Dreadlordsbasically all of them are dead because the Legion as a whole was KWAB'd in the Legion expansion, Varimathras is basically killed in Wrath after trying to betray Sylvanas>ChenOriginally a joke character, became a kind of side character in Pandaria but mostly just went on adventures. Now he's just a background character>RokhanlolI was kind of lenient on Sylvanas but basically she turned into a narrative blackhole that bent the entire setting around her so hard that all of Warcraft history was basically just a plot by her "master" to unmake reality or something but she turns into a good gurl at the end or whatever. The whole thing is basically pointless to get into and is less narratively sound than a long running comic book
>>741489474>>741490072Why did Blizzard turn Sylvanas into Kerrigan?
>>741490198the main writer for WoW had her as his waifu + wanted to copy a bunch of nonsense from Kingdoms of Amalur into WoW
>>741460527I used to fantasize about being captured by an orc woman as a slave, but besting her in hand to hand combat and earning her respect so she reverse plaps me and i join the horde as a human
>>741460527Cover the cleavage and clavicle, expose more tummy. Makes the focal point the tummy
>>741463969Hot damn abs
>>741489474>Becomes some sort of psycho bitch who barely has anything to do with her older characterdesu losing out on not one but two princes would send any foid into a frothing rageshe could have been kween of lordaeron or quelthalasinstead she was stuck on a small stupid island surrounded by orcs, taurens, ogres, centaurs, quillboars, kobolds, goblins and trolls
>>741479039The Horde and Alliance are not pan-racial unions.There are orcs opposed to the Horde and there are humans opposed to the Alliance. There is no reason why a human wouldn't be neutral towards both.
>>741490337
>>741490619>There are orcs opposed to the Horde and there are humans opposed to the Alliance.cucks and keks
Garithos buckbroke the Blood Elves so hard they joined the Horde KWAB
>>741490619The only orcs outside the horde are ones for whom horde is not horde enough, aka totally mad cultists serving world (and them too) monsters.
>>741490763The Dark Horde, the Fel Horde, the Iron Horde, the Scarlet Crusade, the Defias Brotherhood, the Syndicate, the humans of Alterac, Kurzen's Expedition.
Why didn't Ilidan just tell his brother that he needs to use the Eye of Sargeras to kill the Lich Kang once and for all?
>>741490763If i have to be a cuck or kek to follow my goddess Sally so be it.
>>741491026>horde, horde, horde, leftovers of alliance member who got betrayed by alliance, non-state, non-state, leftovers of people who betrayed alliance, non-state.Right
>>741491237Gilneas isn't a part of the Alliance either at this point.
>>741491305Leftover of people who betrayed alliance
>>741491237>the Defias Brotherhood, the Syndicate>non-state, non-statehe doesn't know
>>741461458im glad i quite this game 15 years ago before trannys and tumblr women ruined it irrevocably
>>741491529There was nothing to ruin to begin with.
>undead but...le good>wipes away the fact they genocided not one but two entire countries
>>741491715they were just following orders, chud
>>741491715enough about jews
>>741472802Trolls, undead, and orcs are all murder apes. The tauren are the only one's that aren't.
>>741491715What baffles me is that they deny being evil. Its a game, just admit you play as monsters and have fun commiting atrocities. Instead they claim to be victims and good guys, what the fuck.
>>741461458>it's already been like 15 years, maybe more, since this redesignMan this IP is fucking ruined. Literally impossible to ever get a good Warcraft game again.
>>741491814Taurens are too, being muder ape is natural, being not is civilization.
>>741460527>>741461458Both are good
>>741472802>warcraft 3 retcons good>cataclysm/wod retcons badlmao
>>741491890i played undead because i always considered fun the role of "backstabing anyone who does me wrong" because thats what cheaters, unloyalty , and backstabers deservetoo bad blizzard is shit at writing
>>741492023Thats not what your selected text does. You say - backstab anyone who did me wrong, text says - eliminate anyone who disagree with me.Your variant is vengeful edgy, their variant - pure fascism.
>>741475336It's such a fucking pity they ran it back one patch later because they had to keep the status quo
Anything in WoW that doesn't have direct ties to Warcraft III is shit and can be completely ignored as noncanon drivel, simple as
>>741461620women in armor...
>>741492310works for me either way
>>741492639Look, she has armor! I wish woman like that allowed me to polish and oil her arms..Plates and rings, shiny plates and flexible rings..
>>741492790I did not say it to insult you. Just that people should be honest about the roles they play, not dance around with excuses. You are based, they are fags.
>>741492905nta, but those "people" sound like filthy ELF players and should be hung by the neck until death
>>741492905didn't sounded like an insult so no problems,
>>741475163Why the long face there, Jim?
>>741480721Yes, the bloodthirsty orcs were orders to kill. The only difference is they were ordered to kill demons they time. Makes no difference to them anyway.
>in a parallel universe we had Warcraft 4 with more singleplayer campaigns from new races (naga, blood elves, burning legion, forsaken, etc.) in addition to the traditional human, horde, scourge and night elf campaigns
>>741460527Yes>>741461458No
>>741488472you can stop playing
>>741484782J U I C Y
>>741493310>NOOOOO our zombies gotta be HECKIN WHOLESOME and not walking abominations.
>>741491986Undead women are so hot...
>>741490198they dont know how to write a female protagonist to be anything but kerrigan
>>741491986>cheek dick slottalk about a side chick
>>741494049i'm happy with both things
>>741460527Dismantle........ the Horde
>>741494108No they're not
>>741494108>>741494896How much did that one forsaken rape the blood elf at the entrance to ghostlands
>>741461620I was disappointed when I found out it's a woman.
>>741495470I still lay awake at night hard thinking about that.
>>741482873>
>>741494896Smelly wife
>>741492432Post more of this
>>741497863I only have one other and it's not really that good
>>741476037If you don't stop an attacker from killing your family you may as well have done the deed yourself. We call that betrayal.
>>741498591He was attacking the orcs. It was self defense
>>741499914The orcs are interstellar invaders.
>>741487423Probably because everyone thinks Medivh is super-Hitler, and if he tried to do his prophet LARP with HEs, they would've laughed him out as well.
>>741500364But why attack them if they weren't doing anything?
>>741499914>i could save my family member's life but it was self defense :)always save the last bullet for the traitor
>>741476090>by actively standing aside and withholding her military forces. Believing that the survival of Azeroth required peace with the newly formed Horde,Refugee welcome ass story.
>>741500881He was suicidal dude. If his daughter wasnt going to help he shouldve known he'd get shit on.
>>741501331And she was right because the horde helped kill the old gods
>>741500568>I am Medivh>I know I was super Hitler and brought the demons and orcs decades ago but I bring forth a warning as a form of atonement of my super Hitler sins>the Burning Legion is scheming to return and is using the Undead Scourge as their vanguard>your crops are all pozzed with Lich Kang vaxxx and I strongly advise you not to coomsoom them>those who coomsoom them are gone, there is no cure>your only salvation is to sail east into Kalimdor and ally with the orcs and night elves>you have been warned, you can choose salvation of Lordaeron by sailing east and allying with the other races or you can all choose to die here and let Stormwind take charge of the entire Alliance>You're welcome
>also great Kang, your son is about to turn into Anakin Skywalker if he goes to Northrend>lock him up in a dungeon with his girlfriend Miss Proudmoore, become a grandfather
>>741491986>Both are goodYou are the exact reason why WoW was taken over by woke SJW faggots so easily.
>>741500678>they weren't doing anything?lollmao
>>741502118What were the orcs doing before Daelin attacked em?
If you're a Horde fan you're unironically pro-3rd world immigration.
>>741502661When the alliance let the gnomes into org?
wife
>>741502918Nice post Zugmar the Obliterator.
>>741501712>I know I betrayed everyone the first time and caused all this shit, but I swear this time I'm totally legit guys
>Jaina: “No, Dad! Don’t try to stop the invasive space savages that nearly conquered as a few years ago from building up their forces and entrenching themselves! You deserve to get killed by them for that!”After feeling vindicated letting the Orcs kill her father and his men, she proceeds to have her own city nuked by the now entrenched Orcs.>Pandas: “No, do not execute the Orc that dug up the greatest evil in our land and sha corrupted a zone! He must stand trail.”Said Orc escapes to rally a new invading army and ends up eventually being executed anyways.>Varian:”I could dismantle the Horde right now, but since a new Troll is in charge now, I guess I’ll let them live.”Proceeds to gave hundreds of his Night Elven allies burned alive by the Horde now that they’ve recovered their strength.Poor Turalyon, who watched hus king die fighting back the invading Orcs, stranded himself on an alien planet to fight them back when they sent dead Orc agents wearing dead Human skin into our world, then spent centuries battling them back when demons trying to find our planet, to finally return home to his son and see that he’s aligned with Elves in the Orc’s faction. Then he sees savage Trolls causing trouble to the East, ancestral enemies of Elf and Human alike, goes to deafeat them, and his gay son jumps in to take a blow for a Troll NPC he doesn’t know that you can speak to later to hear him saying he still wants to kill you all.
>>741461458fuck is that hairline nigga
>>741503034>You deserve to get killed by them for that!She tried to talk him out of it why are you lying?
>>741503034>After feeling vindicated letting the Orcs kill her father and his men, she proceeds to have her own city nuked by the now entrenched Orcs.You love to see it.Roastie let in the refugees with open cunt and got everyone she cares about killed for it.You get what you fucking deserve.
>>741503189Those events happened like decades apart. Also she killed horde because of it.
>>741469492I'd say it's been around since cata but it didn't get egregious until bfa
With yalls logic I guess the allies irl should've just started ww3 up with Russia instantly after ww2 was over? So everybody dies to prevent times of peace even being a thing.
>>741503290She got what she deserved. Sneed about it.
>>741503440Wow. I can just tell how brown you are.The awful typing style, the retarded logic. It's incredible.
>>741502918>would rather become a cat lady over settling down
>>741484745>just remember to -futa -futanarifaggot
>>741503675The three men that wanted to stick it in her crazy were,>Arthas - Full retard.>Kael'Thas - Triple full retard, now gay vampire.>Thrall - Married and a giga beta.It makes sense.
>>741503530Nice argument
>>741503440>yallsCalm down Brapnayson. You're not southern.
I'm pleasantly surprised that Jaina wasn't hanged or gangraped in the middle of Theramore for letting the Horde kill her father and other Theramore guards.
>>741503502Nobody deserves to be attacked outta nowhere its dishonorable and a character regression for garrosh who had been written with honor in cata.
>>741503997Thereamore wasnt even attacked by the horde when they were fighting her dad. Larp more
>>741503997If the story made sense, she would have been.
>>741503991Nobody here understands what peace even is and it's pissing me off on this idea that humans should just be murder robots
>>741504017Traitorous whores who spread their legs for barbaric invaders absolutely deserve to get attacked. And worse.Sneed your brains out about this, faggot.
>>741503162And when she couldn’t talk him out of it, she let him die because she thought he deserved it.Don’t call people liars because you can’t waste two extra seconds about the sequence of events.
>u mad kael when i took jaina from youpeak cuckold kek
>>741504180If Jaina did die then the kirin tor lose one of their most powerful members and she's not around to help save the world multiple times.
>>741504191Yea man ***WAR*** ***CRAFT*** (as in crafting wars) should have more peace in it.Do you see why >>741503530 actually is a valid argument now? Can you imagine what it would be like if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>741504246>she slept with thrall When? Show me the lore where this happened or you're guilty of being a secondary.
>>741504274If your dad was going on a murder rampage you would join him in it because he's your dad?
>>741489474succinct and accurate summary
>>741504317>woman who was trained by Archmage Antonidas has sympathy for the orcs2026 and somehow this is bewildering you zoomers eh?
>>741484680bonkerz honkerz
>this kinda character wants peaceAstonishing. She shouldve helped her dad and became a vanilla wow raid boss. Because that makes sense to secondaries
Jaina's head belongs on a pike.
>>741505020Funnily enough BfA tried to make her backpeddal into saying her dad might have been right.Then they turned her 180 AGAIN immediately one expansion after.
Does anyone else think the WoW universe just needs a hard reset? They lost the plot over a decade ago but now its just superhero movie, soap opera levels of bad.
>>741460527She looked the best in the Ulduar patch cinematic
>>741505190>2013twink>2023onions
>>741505146because blizzoid writers are leftroons, they can't pretend for too long that the horde might deserve violent repercussion
For me, it's making half-nelf children with Tyrande and Shandris :3
>>741484680noname55 and its not even close
>>741505146Don't mention that. The secondaries don't care about her decisions later in the lore at all. Neither should you or I. The only thing that matters to secondaries is characters becoming out of character at a whim.
daily reminder that ironforge manlets sent aid to lordaeron but every other human city did not and just watched lordaeron burnquelthalas sat on their asses and complained when arthas steamrolled their entire country
>>741464493>almostwell I almost won the lottery and almost destroyed the sunbut I didn't
>>741505405greymane did nothing wronghe kept HIS people safe for years after the plague and they only fell because deathwing chimped out
>>741480293>will of the media and the good of the celebrities who manipulate the people
>>741474148I'll never get over the fact that she just looks like a Mag'har orc with a zoomer haircut.
>>741491026>The Dark Horde, the Fel Horde, the Iron HordeAHAHAHHA you can't be serious dude, all of those are basically "we think the Horde isn't racist and barbaric enough, that's why we branch off to make the evil and racist true Horde"
>>741505267>horde might deserve violent repercussionLike when Daelin Proudmoore attacked em? Is he a joke to you?
>>741474148Are they the same character?
>>741505190>Does anyone else think the WoW universe just needs a hard reset?What it needs is a burial.
Have you seen those women Kul tiras?Built for breeding...
>>741505490You have a point. The sun will eventually destroy the earth. We might as well blow it up now.
WATCH YOUR TONE BOY
>>741505512And only survived because other people didn't do the same. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.
>>741461458>>741460527Imagine these two Jainas kissing one another
>>741505512Greymane was the only one who logically suggested they genocide all the orcs and he was proven right in the end.
>>741503034Can't really blame the pandas when the only way Garrosh escaped was through a rogue bronze dragon inventing a new universe without anyone noticing. Nozdormu and his entire lineage were inept, as always.
>>741484745change those minuses to pluses and you're right
>>741505838They could've killed him right there. A trial would've determined that...oh yeah he should be executed anyways. Look lets be honest they could've let Varian stab him in the stomach, Voljin cut off his head and the pandaren dude blow his body up with some street fighter chi bullshit. Saves us a good 5 expansions of bullshit thanks to a mongrel orc.
>>741505190WoW was already a bit all over the place with the huge amounts of unimplemented RPG lore they skimmed over in the original game, the pivot over to making "epic content" instead of fleshing out the world kneecapped the game's story potential heavily and nowadays it has the same issue a comic book has when it goes on for too long and has too many spinoffs.Ideally you'd just reset WoW back to vanilla (shocking!) and re-write from there for things to make sense and actually use the stuff that was on the table from the onset.As you may have heard, modders and private servers were already doing this successfully but Blizzard insisted they don't because that way people might ignore the skinnerbox.
>>741506036>>741505838If they'd been cool they would've had the pandaren take inspiration from more Japanese shit like Fist of the North Star and just have Taran Zhu use a fist of death on him or something. The actual lore in Pandaria was ok but the way they used the pandaren for any surrounding plot were pretty damn lacking.
>>741480293Yes, as we can see in real time, we just elected someone who has the native population's best interests in mind, and they'll get rid of the foreign elements destabilizing the fabric of our societies. Democracy heckin rules!!
>>741479317> It was decent place before thatNo place inhabited by ogres can be called "decent" in any way. In fact everything bad in orcs comes from their ancestors and they were probably the first descendant of Magnarons who were smart enough to build any kind of peaceful civilisation.The humans were gifted by evolving from keepers created by titans to be peaceful meanwhile orcs have the lineage of retarded brute monsters.
>Vanilla Forsaken>Fuck the living, My Past? I dont give a shit. I'm a new me and I will follow the Banshee Queen whatever happens. >Modern Forsaken>I miss my old family. Actually we're really sad :(
>>741506356Humans are descended from Vrykul cursed by Yogg-Saron and thats mainly because their parents fled to other parts of the world because in Vrykul society being born small was seen as inferior. Their history is mired in bloodshed and controversy. Thats the whole point of this franchise.
>bloodthirsty raging invaders who raped their own planet to death and want to do the same to you DESERVE YOUR HECKIN LANDS CHUD. If you deny them, you DESERVE to die!Daily reminder this is what hordoids *actually* believe.
>>741504432No, I would join him because these people invaded our lands, destroyed a kingdom, and we barely saved ourselves from them and have only enjoyed peace by having them in internment camps after while all of them outside the camps like those in Blackrock have continued to be our enemies, and now that we’ve defeated our common enemy, I don’t trust them to play nice just because one that we raised in slavery to act like us is trying to wrangle them. The Alliance has lost thousands in repeated conflicts with the Horde in the years that have followed because Jaina got duped by the Orcs playing nice while they were on the ropes and recovering.
>all these pissbabies crying over the Hordehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKI8AbQ2VUMME HURT YOU LONG TIME
>>741506541>California gaming studio thinks a bunch of savage, foreign invaders didn't do anything wrong even though they rape and pillage wherever they can, they also believe pure socioeconomic factors are to blame>another Californa gaming studio thinks a murdering psychopath like Kratos can suddenly become a wholesome, stoic father>at the same time they believe you're more evil than Satan if you don't support LGBTQ, diversity and equality
>>741506749It really makes you think, doesn't it?
>>741506541>nuhuh it was the demon blood the whole time! orcs are good bois dey shaymen and shiiet need more spirits fo tha programs>make WoD>orcs still genocide and enslave the draenei because a a new orc from another timeline told them to
>Bring him back>doesnt change his personalitty>Wins>Fucks off
>>741507141Hes Sargeras' jailer the perfect time to ask him about all the wonders and threats of the universe that he encountered or has heard of.
Was Illidan the first one who kinda started to realize the "Light" is bullshit
>>741507028>still try to play it off as "they dindu nuffin they was misled"
>>741460527>Started losing interest during TBC because i was in high school and wanted to chase girls>quit in 2011 after the abomination that was patch 3.2 which introduced the worst "raid" and nerfed my warlock>went to college and forgot about wow>played some private servers from nost - classic>quit phase 2 of classicit really is just a shit game, raiding is for faggots and wpvp only lasts so long
>>741507540>grom comes out of nowhere after the last raidWE WILL LE NEVER BE SLAVES!>everyone is cool with him nowAU orcs deserved to get LIGHTed by goat niggers
It's cool how Metzen coming back made shit worse
>>741507442I don't like this whole "everything is morally grey or nuanced or deeply misunderstood or is dindu nuffin" mindset Blizzard keeps encouraging. Its a horrible modern writing convention. No there are some forces in the world fictional or otherwise that are objectively good or evil, just like theres objective beauty and ugliness. A raging, dysgenic leftist ideal is not gonna make people change that.
>>741506628So yeah? You're daddies little simp
>>741507775Your point of view is equally retarded as theirs, so eh.
>>741507876I wish I had the image of that ugly guy wearing a mask pretending to be a "normal person" but that would apply to you here. So just have this.
after i finish dawntrail should I hop on wow? I never played any of it I was busy playing p2w kr mmos back thenI'm looking for something to play before the next expansion
>>741508050Alright, buddy. Now remember, electricity is good and clean energy. So you better hurry up and shove a fork into that socket.
>>741507623That shit was still offensively bad.>Yeah.... sorry.>>741507710If you were a long time player, you'd have expected no different.Go'el, anyone?
>>741507775It's not so much that everything is grey.It's more that they're pushing for "what you thought was good is actually bad and what you thought was bad might actually be... more good?"So void is getting greyer, while the light and Titans are just dark at this point.>THEY LIKE... WANT ORDER.. ISN'T THAT HECKIN EVIL?
>>741509539I am pretty sure that order through brainwashing is in fact very evil, yes, it's no different than just murdering everyone.
>>741509629Yes, and the betentacled pustules that want to drive everyone into insanity and then eat the cosmos are grey and have to be understood.
>>741509725No, those would be evil too. Which is what they are basically telling you.>Use whatever spooks from the outside of the boundary you must, but remember they are all here to fundamentally change things because are not mortal entities.It's pretty much a "don't do drugs, kids" moral cookie which you are turning into a weird /pol/ thing. If anything, the Amani bullshit is /pol/ fodder.
Wait until you hear about the world where Demons and Dreanai Velen left are living peacefully together
>>741489474What happened to Lordaeron and the surrounding areas?
>>741510002No, what they're doing is projecting their hatred and fear for a 1950s society with order and cleanliness on the in-universe equivalent of the order faction and then going "ISN'T THAT BAD? ISN'T THAT SCARY??? WE WOULD NEVER WANT TO BE THOSE GUYS RIGHT"
>>741489474>Lady Vash>Dead in a one and done TBC mid-tier raidShe's was last tsundere-yuri for Thrall's mom in Shadowlands
>>741507442>realize the "Light" is bullshit.He threw a tantrum because someone offered him a free power-up and taking it would've snuffed out his chuunibyou self-image by making him a boring chosen one. That's the polar opposite of thinking the Light is bullshit; he implicitly confirmed it is good and just. If it was wicked and edgy and "nuanced", he would've sucked Xe'ra's cock in front of the entire Army of the Light.
>>741510572nobody cares what happened in the shadowlands
>>741510334Most of Lordaeron and its surrounding areas are just undead land now, the dwarven lands were kinda spared and some bits of the elves' land too but they still got royally fuckedin retail they're currently doing some expac with the elves so their land is finally healed up a bit or some shit, another thing I don't really like because it implies that you can easily get rid of the Scourge's taint in like 15 years max
>>741489474illidan my fuarking hero
>>741510586>someone offers you some bullshit powerup>already have experience with this happening and reject it pretty much instantaneously because you know what it entails and you know you don't need it>light user sob tears and fucking explodes because they cannot handle Illidan's awesome powerIllidan is 1v1ing Sargeras right now whilst Turalyon has some retarded disney family drama btw
>>741460527no. she looked better in wc3
>>741504317retard. even metzen wishes he never named the IP warcraft because of retards like you who think a foreverwar is interesting storytelling
>>741510771>Most of Lordaeron and its surrounding areas are just undead land now,Kek JUSTSylvanas still controls all of that shit after 25 years
>>741510349I am starting to think you don't actually play World of Warcraft, know World of Warcraft, or are here to discuss World of Warcraft.
>>741511010I'm starting to think you actually like nuWoW and think it's good.
>>741510993Sylvanas doesn't even lead the Undead anymore, they retconned her into a lore black hole so she had to stay in hell to repent or some shitCurrent undead leader is Arthas' retconned sister who is undead (but holy undead or some nonsense) + some council
>>741511067Then you would be wrong. It's exactly because I am exposed to it and reading what is in front me that I can actually tell WHY it's bad, which for some reason you seem to be in some unhinged rodeo of incapability and made up nonsense to understand.There's a thousand of reasons why it's horrible and you are choosing a made up one. It's genuinely baffling.
I want to fuck her smug expression off, so yeah, it's a good design.
>>741511089>Sylvanas doesn't even lead the Undead anymore, they retconned her into a lore black hole so she had to stay in hell to repent or some shit
>>741511089Sylvannas is already basically back and has confirmed Shadowlands is misinformation and totally not going to get retconned based on everyone's hatred for it, so it's okay.
>>741506541they forgot how to write good characters after garrosh, like every expansion now is about a king with a daughter and the daughter is better than everyone and then the king dies so his daughter becomes king
The only interesting part of Midnight so far, FOR ME was the little adventure with Arator and Alonsus Faol,
>>741511194Basically around Legion - Shadowlands, a guy called Steve Danuser who had Sylvanas as his subtly hinted waifu used her and the concept of the "shadowlands" to warp the entire lore to revolve around her and her retarded master's plan, except she also dindu nuffin>>741511263Nobody's gonna forget that shit, the only thing they can still do is just push the reset button. Current "lore" is also just saturday morning cartoon villain shit and foot fetishism
warcraft 3 only players don't realize sylvanas burned the world tree kek and she dindu nuffin
>>741511361Oh I am just hoping they do something even MORE retarded than the sky 3D printer of gods once Sylvanas comes in to tell everyone Shadowlands is not the REAL afterlife. They simply must. Like I want it to involve something so stupid it goes the way of,>But now you must fight alongside Dimensius, The All-Devourer to defeat the BIGGER EVIL...
>>741511445>thea*And it was an illegal one anyway so! #danuserswifesupporter
>>741511445nobody in Warcraft 3 even knows what world tree you're talking about>World tree? Archimonde already got nuked alongside nordrassil faggot
>>741484464It bothers me that there's no real way to get the necromancer hat in wow. Such an iconic piece.
>>741511183Maybe you're incapable of understanding it because you're an ESL who actually thinks modern WoW is worthy of serious analysis.>and you are choosing a made up oneI forgot media is produced in a vacuum, of course.
>>741511625Then again it's worn only by massive jobbers, so perhaps it's best not to basically put the doofus hat on.
>>741511739So like I said, you aren't aware of what you are discussing nor did you have any intention to do so. Well then, as I wasted my time in the end I guess you win.
>>741511739>weakauras added a blm/ukraine/pride flagperhaps i treated midnight to harshly
>>741511625If you could wear it, you'd look retarded because it would cut off your hair.Small indie development team, remember.
>>741511820Yeah, you can go on being a nag to other people in the thread now, Calicuck.
>>741511893You keep fighting the good fight, propaganda-kun.
>>741461458Modern Jaina is extremely hot.
>>741511940That I will.
>>741512024shame she became an obnoxious girlboss
>>741505556Yes, but they're not splinter factions of the Horde if that's what you're implying. They're attempted revivals of the Warcraft 1 + 2 Horde, while the player faction Horde is a new entity entirely.
>Garithos didn't want thisHe ghey
>>741512305
>>741512305Human women are way better.
>>741460527She was the naive but brilliant apprentice mage. She became something else
Azshara is STILL AWOL after BfA btw
>>741511893At least post offical art comparing old orcs to modern official art orcs.
>>741512454>Destroys like 3 civilizations and sets free around 3 old gods>Complete control over the ocean civilizations even now>gets away with it, fucks off claiming she will go get power away>everyone's just like "ok well let's move on from that"
>>741512342surprised blizzard didn't turn him orange for reforged
>>741491997Warcraft 3 was not a retcon, it was plot development. "The first two games were actually part of a grand plot by demons!" re-contextualizes the first two games, it doesn't create retroactive continuity.
>>741512481>at least p-postNot your personal servant. Go fuck yourself.
>>741498591Her dad was attacking the orcs and the orcs killed him in self-defense.
>>741512574I'm actually glad they're not using her for anything, she's been the biggest ???? in all of WoW's lore since even if you're going off of Warcraft 3 she's been chilling in the depths and just doing whatever she wants for agesIt's even funnier because Azshara's supposed to be as powerful as Kil'jaeden and Archimonde, which at least back in the day used to be a big deal.
>>741512824So you dont want to have an actual point to that image other than being mad?
>>741490710I swear the last proper horndogs working in Blizzard went to HotS.
>>741512882Power levels these days just mean whatever the writer at the moment wants it to mean, so NPCs are still going "but what if another Kil'Jaeden!" when like, a handful of adventurers did the guy in. So you know, still bears relevance.I remember if nothing else that the one throwaway quote you get about why you are not going after her is because you just "got lucky" that she has focusing on releasing her jobber boss from cuck jail.
sex with warcraft women
>>741512980Weren't you going to move on, little Manuel?
>>741513338This is a better comparison than some og art to a modern day transmog
