Why were 2000s games obsessed with that dull soviet-tier brown/grey color scheme? Was it to look gritty and edgy or because crt monitors didn't have the coloring capabilities as modern 4k tvs?
>>741464087Ask the devs instead of speculating. The only one I know for sure who has said anything is the director of new vegas, who said they tinted the game because the lighting engine wasn't advanced enough and they were trying to hide it. That is most certainly the case. Artistically, I think they were also trying to signal that these were serious games for serious people, rather than light hearted kiddie games, and following trends in cinema at the time. Traffic did tinting of varous locations to show mood, including the now imfamous yellow tint for Mexican scenes. Games were trying hard to copy films, and be seen as high end serious media like films culturally, especially in USA. Note how almost all these games are American or British? The two Japanese examples are ones that were very specifically trying to ape American trends as well.
>>7414640871. Post-process color grading was fancy new tech and devs always go overboard when there's a new "good graphics" button.2. Devs were trying to appeal to "core gamers" with more "mature" games, and vivid colors are associated with children's games.3. The Iraq war was ongoing and had an influence on a lot of media.
>>741464087I think it was from the cultural impact of batman begins. Word on the street was that it was the mature adult batman. It's not your dad's batman, nooo, there's no colors or silly costumes. This is GRITTY, DARK, REALISTIC. There were multiple thinkpieces written at the time jerking off batman begins and it's aesthetic became the standard for that era of media.
Erm awkshully 7th gen wasn't brown and grey because Madden and Fifa has green fields and Just Dance exists.
>>741465180Oh, you saw that one retarded ass video too...
>>741464087Because everyone copies everyone else. It's why its a bunch of purple faggotry in the current years.
>>741464087Soviet tier lol
well there was a little film called the matrix, you might have heard of it.
>>741464087Thats the the filter of absolute ludokino
>>741464087It was a stylistic choice because they wanted you to take them seriously. You had a trend of games having random brightly colored objects just to “add color” for a while after this
>>741465021>>741464087>>741465125>>741465553>>741466342The REAL reason is that consoles can't handle most of the new lighting techniques that were developed at the time (like even Ambient Occlusion). But because realistic visuals are in demand, harsh color filters were used to hide how rudimentary that generation's lighting still were.Seriously, without the filters, you can easily see how fucking FLAT everything looked.
They thought colorful games were childish and wanted to be super cereal.
>>741466759Everything being brown looks pretty flat to me.
>>741464087It's because hardware was finally powerful enough to render realistic graphics, and everyone was chasing the modern audience so games had to look "realistic" by making them as desaturated as possible (just like real life!)
>>741464087Because Gears of War was a phenomenon at the time
the restaurant equivalent of the brown and grey era
I think it was an evolution of the grunge style from the late 90's, where everything was caked in silent hill nightmare world levels of rust
>>741464087Brown backgrounds > Brown charactersYou know I'm right.
>>741464087because you touch yourself at night
>>741464087nfsmw came before it became a trend and it was actually based on fast and furious
>>741464087All great games
>>741470663burger moment
>>741464087this was deboonked by that ahoy unc.
>>741466759To an extent probably but it’s not like every major release was drab, Uncharted 1 was colorful in 2007
>>741464587Black Hawk Down came out around the same time as well, which was obviously one of the man inspirations for RE5. This was also when they started experimenting with digital color grading for movies, and one of the first things they did was go all in. O Brother Where Art Thou is generally credited as the first full-length movie to be finished entirely digitally, and it would fit right in with the brown and bloom games of the 2000s.So yeah, all of these games were just mirroring what happened in movies, just a few years later.
>>741464087once game devs realized how to make the game look like the movie Blackhawk Down, then that was what everyone did because that was the coolest thing around the time but previously out of reach to games
>>741472035my man >>741471969
>>741465479Can't believe how hard the comments praise his work when all it goes to show is how data and fancy graphs can be used to obfuscate observed reality.
People never wanna talk about the pee wars. Piss as far as the eye could see. It would mist for days, heavy rolling piss-fogs every morning, usually followed by a golden shower in the evening. We were yellow, but our spirit wasn't broken.
>>741464087It only lasted about 3 or 4 years.It's also better than the trans purple filter that's been going for 11 years now
>>741466759>Seriously, without the filters, you can easily see how fucking FLAT everything looked.RE5, GTA4 and NFS: Most Wanted all look much better without the piss color filter (you can play them without the piss color grading filter on PC with mods).
24 was a perfect implementation of it
>>741474763I immediately ignore a game if I see the color purple anywhere on the cover.
I just hate colour filters in general. Everyone mocks the famous yellow piss filter but the blue 'cold' filter than gets slathered in every medieval work is just as bad yet gets nowhere near as much attention or criticism.
>>741464087Most of the post processing looks crap in this era. But occasionally sometimes if you convert some it into HDR via reshade plugins it looks decent depending on the game. In the HDR color space some of them can come off much better and the increased vibrancy really offsets how dull they can look. Still pretty artificial by nature of the methods used though and if they were built with modern HDR color grading in mind it probably would have turned out better.
>>741471628Actually I do it in the early hours of the day, so you're wrong.
>>741473931I don't know. I watched that shit a long time ago and immediately thought that the methodology or whatever made no sense.I only vaguely remember it, but I think besides his stupid ass inclusions skewing everything that he was also leaving things out too.
I’ve only noticed it in GTA4, any other game I played back then was colorful
>>741464087I seen a video about this speculation that games were more brown, the actual stats were that games were most brown around 2004-2006 but only by a factor of about 5 percent deviation from the norm. So overall it wasnt that big of trend as you think. Its more singular big titles that had a gritty tone that drove the perception more than "gaming in general"
>>741481134See >>741465479
I was playing Hitman Absolution converted into HDR signal earlier and it looks better than how it looks by default. It's technically a piss filter game too. Perhaps it really was this aggressive technique they were doing to make how modern tvs look now because LCDs were shitting the bed with colors. At least that's what OP theorized.
>>741464087Rather this than the gay retard filter
>>741481531the quote from the guy whos quoting another anon is wrong and its adjusted for in the video, he hasnt watched it like i have
>>741471260A reason for that was probably the lack of specularity and metalness, most metal is defined by light bouncing off based on viewing angle so you end up with everything looking like concrete. rust is the solution to that problem, diffuse metal.
>>741465180>>741465479Don't know what video you're talking about, but that assertion is correct. There's a good reason ''muh brownbloom'' whiners can only post collages of the same few games rearranged in different orders lol
>>741464087it tricked your brain into thinking it looked more realistic that in actually was
>>741464087I wanted to post that vgcats comic but the entire website is kill
>>741482093There's a lot more of it that you don't know about. You just didn't play many games to have seen it the whole muddy greys, piss filtered and brown and bloom stuff.
>>741464087It was a piss era for gaming
>>741464087>crt monitors didn't have the coloring capabilities as modern 4k tvs?lol
>>741482283>there's a lot more like uhhh, ummmmm, uhhhhhhh, mhmmm, th-ACK!
>>741464087ill take it over this gay purple shit any day of the week
>>741482569Didn't play many games.
>>741482569
>>741481770i mean Scrimblo Bimblo 8 did come out the same gen and it's literally rainbows so clearly the trends of the most popular games didnt matter and the standard deviation is accounted for within the parameters of the obfuscation
>it wasn't actually a thingYeah, shut up.
>>741482093weird how we dont get collages showing the opposite then!
>>741464587>Games were trying hard to copy filmsI wish it was still like that. Movies used to look like they are from another dimension. And now they look pristine clean and cheap like spanish telenovelas.Who the fuck decided that this new look is the way to go? Soulless as fuck...
>>741482863>MGS4 and RE5 and Most Wanted and Gears of War and Resistance yet again>literally all the same games as in OP's image, proving >>741482093 rightKEKMax Payne 3 doesn't have a ''piss filter'', so I'm not sure why you threw that image in there. Neither does GTA4 btw. Your own Far Cry 2 image also shows a baby blue sky. And then am image of some CoD (I assume) game during a sunset, as we know sun existing = piss filter
>>741482863GoW 1 is just desaturated gtaiv does not use a piss filter, its called a sun
>>741483069It's easier to make up shit than it is to debunk it>>741482895>>741483067Oh good it's this guy again, scraping the bottom of the barrel by posting games no one's ever heard of
>>741464087color filter helps blend objects and characters into the scene better, compensates for poorer fidelity
>>741483069theres no need to? you just keep posting the same 10 games so i guess all the other games are fine
>>741483494Weren't you initially saying there's a reason you can only find a few games? then when games are presented to you showing at least some level of double A to triple A titles and you deny it ever happened. We're past merely a few games at this point.
>>741482895A more complete look if you don't get the idea.
>i just never saw the game so it never happened
>>741483809>>741483850If we're comparing well known titles then you only seem to have the same few examples over and over like RE5/MGS4/Resistance against the countless other games that don't have a ''brown filter''If you're just gonna bring every no-name obscure game into it, then you can check your few images against the 4000 games total released for the PS3 and 360. If you can find 2000 examples of ''brown filter'' games then we'll have to concede it was the norm
>>741483961we all know piss filter is just a term thrown around by snoys and liberals who have no defense for the rainbow colored SHIT we're served today.
>>741483069I could also make a collage showing that all 90's PC games were brown, using examples like Morrowind and Gothic, and spam it all over the board. Maybe one day I'll do it
>>741483961Most of it is only no name because you're a clueless zoomer. But it did make games look forgettable no doubt about it.
>>741483850>>741483891Wow crazy how there's so many examples but I always see you posting the same few images over and over and over
>>741483961So it's about well known titles despite most of the popular games of the era were well known for either having piss filters, brown and bloom or overuse of greys? you just simply said a few games but these images already shown covered the big ones.
>>741484228Yeah man everyone totally knows whatever the fuck this game is >>741483809 >>741483850 lol, only a zoomer wouldn't know it lmaoLike I said, if you're just gonna bring every no-name obscure game into it, then you can check your few images against the 4000 games total released for the PS3 and 360. If you can find 2000 examples of ''brown filter'' games then we'll have to concede it was the norm
>>741484414>most of the popular games of the era were well known for either having piss filtersWow that's a bold claim! Can you back it up with evidence? Because you only seem to have the same few collages of RE5/MGS4/Resistance/Gears reshuffled in different ordersYou really don't know shit. Also posts yet another no-name game lol
>>741484424>only a zoomer wouldn't know it lmaoNo, the big ones were already listed and i just showed what else you missed after the biggest ones. You just deny the other games in the main collages followed any trends. But yeah you were dumb to not recognize Halo so that's just on you for being retarded in one of those instances.
>>741484414Hey if every popular game at the time had it, how come you're always posting the same few screenshots of the same few obscure games?You are such a dishonest bullshitter lol
>>741484613>No, the big ones were already listedHuh, I must have missed it. What are they? You mean RE5 and MGS4 and Resistance again and again, like I already pointed out?
>>741484535> Can you back it up with evidence?Sure thing. Like I've been doing.I'm sure you don't recognize this one zoomie. There shouldn't be any excuses either. But you claimed Halo was already "obscure" so what the fuck would you know about video games?
>>741484871>Sure thing. Like I've been doing.If you're just gonna bring every no-name obscure game into it, then you can check your few images against the 4000 games total released for the PS3 and 360. If you can find 2000 examples of ''brown filter'' games then we'll have to concede it was the normBtw you dodged my question, you're claiming all the most popular games had brown filters. Where's the evidence? You've shown RE5/MGS4/Resistance/Gears multiple times. Now you keep posting no-name titles
>>741485020>If you're just gonna bring every no-name obscure game into it>obscureYeah you're either a fake gamer or a zoomer. Take your pick.
>>741470842>game released in 2009>game released in 1999
>>741483962millennial brown vs zoomer purple
>>741484138>morrowind>90sAnon ...
>tfw been on /v/ long enough to remember brown and bloom being the current thing that everyone here was seething about
>>741484651>whatabooot!go back with your tard-tier arguments.
>>741485252The game you posted is objectively not well known. Shitting your pants while screaming zoomer is not argumentBtw you keep dodging my question, you're claiming all the most popular games had brown filters. Where's the evidence? You've shown RE5/MGS4/Resistance/Gears multiple times. Now you keep posting no-name titles
>>7414850201 more hint on the game. Pandemic are not an obscure studio. I'll give you a brand new example after this.
>>741485252>mercenaries 2damn, that takes me back. It had a split screen coop, didn't it?
>>741464087>dull>all of them still look amazing>modern games look soulless and flat
>>741483962The bisexual lighting is even worse
>>741485437Sorry, 90's and early 2000's. I'll keep that in mind for when I make my collage showing every PC game from this era was brown
>>741485463Because it was actually real is the thing.
>>741485654I know Mercenaries 2. It reviewed poorly, sold poorly, it's objectively not a well known or well regarded PS3 era gameNow, you keep dodging my question, you're claiming all the most popular games had brown filters. Where's the evidence? You've shown RE5/MGS4/Resistance/Gears multiple times. Now you keep posting no-name titles. Can you post the evidence?
>>741485782Anon coming in with another world renown heavy hitter all time classic best seller!It's crazy how he's claimed every popular game from this era was brown, but in dozens of posts he's yet to show an example. I'm still waiting
>>741485858>sold poorlyObjectively wrong. It sold over 2.2 million units, and was considered disappointing entry, yet a commercial success.
>>741486003nta, I think it's fair to say that most military / shooter themed games of that era did favor the muted brown aesthetic.
>>741485858>y, it's objectively not a well known or well regarded PS3 era gameWe're not talking about review scores here so cut it out with that shit. We're talking if games of this era followed a trend. Review scores don't have anything to do with it. Mercs 2 was bad but everyone knew what it was. I've only given the saboteur a pass on the mundane greys because it was actually aesthetically appropriate. It was trying to be an old film which is why i didn't use that one to ever show an example of an industry trend. They used red that contrasted with the greys so you know it was all actually artistic. It was a better reviewed game too but it's the only game of that era in which you can give them a pass for it.
>>741486023Clearly not if there was never another sequel. Either way it's objectively not a well known or well regarded PS3 era game. The point remains, and so does the question I'm asking
>>741486047That's not what he's arguing though
>>741464087Bcuz its REAL and REAL hits HARD. Ifs lyfe, bro.
>>741485858And you demonstrably never knew what mercs 2 was until i said Pandemic because you're a clueless moron. I shouldn't have even fed you that tid bit on studio name because you'd never have guessed after two images. Because you're a poser and never played anything back then.
>>741486141>We're not talking about review scores here so cut it out with that shit.The game's not well recieved by critics or users. Either way it's objectively not a well known or well regarded PS3 era gameI'm still waiting for the evidence that all the games from that era had ''piss filters'', but it seems the anon or anons arguing that point are now ignoring the question, unable to provide any evidence, scurrying away and conceding the argument
I still remember how they changed this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43IWdsKFsUginto this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii8LRlWcyCIto pander to the gritty military shooter trend, while the original Overstrike was closer to what's popular these days
>>741486335>y-you don't know games you're a zoomer y-y-youYou're really fixated on this point hoping you'll derail the conversation. It's objectively not a well known or well regarded PS3 era gameYou keep trying to shift goalposts, dodging the question, are unable to provide any evidence, and are conceding the argument at this point
I used to complain about brown games on forums and no one knew what I was talking about. They said my TV settings were bad.
>>741486461Looks no different to this piece of shit game. Or any of the Gears of War clones of that time in general.
What was much worse was that they were all rendered in lower resolution even on PC. You couldn't see shit because it was all blurry. No details, no visual language, just blured noise all over your screen.
The dominance of brown and gray color palettes in early HD era games (PS3/Xbox 360) was driven by artistic trends and market pressures toward gritty realism.This visual shift became especially prominent in action and shooter games between 2005 and 2010.Technically, the new HD hardware had significant capabilities compared to previous generations. However, developing high-resolution textures, advanced lighting models, and detailed assets was resource-intensive.For some developers, using muted colors became a way to blend mixed-quality assets and mask visual inconsistencies. Lower-saturation environments could hide pop-in, jagged textures, and lighting seams, creating a more cohesive look even with limited resources. The more decisive factor was artistic direction. Following the critical and commercial success of titles like Gears of War (2006) and Resident Evil 4 (2005), many developers leaned into a darker, grittier visual style. This aesthetic choice reflected a broader industry push for cinematic realism. At the time, both video games and Hollywood blockbusters often favored bleak, desaturated tones to convey maturity, seriousness, and a war-torn, post-apocalyptic atmosphere. This trend quickly saturated the market, especially in genres like shooters, RPGs, and third-person action games.
>>741486976>>741487005>>741487035>>741487063Where were you when ''piss filter'' whiners got BTFO for good? I don't think they will ever recover from the spanking they got in this thread lol
>>741487035PC version used to be the definitive version. It was during 7th gen that console makers were upset at this and told developers to gimp the PC version.
>>741487148you ok sis?
>reinstall GTA IV and a bunch of modern patched and fixes>there’s an option to disable the feature entirely>nearly looks like a different game entirely
>>741487187Are you ok? The piss filter whiners have done nothing but run away from arguments and concede in this thread lol
>>741487315There is zero filtering in this game. Like none at all.
>>741487269I took this screenshot the first time I played IV. This is with the colors all the way up. Still looked like garbage. I remember people praising the visuals when it came out.
>>741487408Looks pretty brown to me. Maybe you need your eyes checked
>>741487471It's brown because the environment itself is somewhat brown. Not because mexican arab nigger shitted all over the screenspace.
>>741487443The game looks fantastic and the colors are fine. Not sure what this close up is supposed to show.
>>741487503Looks pretty brown to me bro. Are you a brown bloom bloom brown apologist now?>the environment itself is somewhat brown.So, you mean exactly like >>741487187 ? I know it might be too much to ask for piss filter whiners to rub their last 2 remaining braincells together and have the slightest bit of self awareness
>>741487471>doesn't know the difference between cancerous color filtering and just brown texturesLiteral retard. Probably schizo too given the weirdly obsessive posts ITT.
>>741487643The environment is brown from textures, not from post-proc, you retard.
>>741487689>>741487702Wait, so now it's not about colors or how the game looks at all? So a game being totally brown through lighting and textures is actually good then? LOL
>>741487783Take your meds
>>741487783you making stuff up lol
>>741487783No such thing as brown lighting lmao.
>>741487804>>741487824>>741487853I like how I can work you like an NPC. Going from whining about a game having brown mountains >>741487187 to defending a game looking entirely brown and drab the next post because it's an old game from your era lol
>>741464087>Bitching about brown and bloom for the 500,000th timeGoddamn, you zoomers are insufferable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf_6phULwaY
>>741488035I remember /v/ bitching about brown and bloom 15 years ago.
>>741464087>le games back then were too dark and manly for my tranny brain>they are better now bcuz they are all fucking blue and pink every single fucking one of them and i like that i wonder whyor orange and purple
>>741487986>imagine getting this mindbroken by brown n bloom arguments from 20 years ago
>>741488241You're supposed to argue that brown n bloom is actually good now because old games do it. Try to keep up
>>741488406I just arrived in this thread and laughing at the obsessed schizo thinking everyone is the same person sorry
>>741488450Me, I'm laughing the ''brown bloom'' whiners running away and conceding every argument, and how I can make them turn their beliefs around 180 degrees instantly by mentioning certain inconvenient games lol
>>741464087>4k tvsKill yourself, you subhuman consolefaggot.
>>741488558>conceding every argument,You've provided no argument when literally numerous games were shown visibly having and all you said is "obscure" as if you ever had a point. It's pretty clear brown and bloom was a thing in 7th gen and only the blind would say that it wasn't.
>>741486227they added more color after the desauration complaints
>>741487443>>741487543thats not even a good representation. idk how to explain. im phone fagging rn but otherwise i’d post a screenshot. you wouldnt really notice it in interiours but when you have the filter disabled and you’re driving down the streets, man, it looks like a different game. so i gotta shill fusionfix for any anons wanting to replay GTA IV on pc
This was a shit Gears of War clone but low and behold games did the brown and bloom. Many of them. Just because they were crappy generic games didn't mean that they weren't making the games in this way.
idk what anons are fighting about. brown&bloom WAS definitely a thing. wether it’s inherently bad is up to your own opinion. halo 3 was posted and thats one if my favourites games of all times
>>741476517I see that fucking fuschia electric purple garbage anywhere in the promotional material and I pass
>>741489306the other anon is confused. he thinks we're saying ALL games where brown, which is obviously not the true. i've seen this type of thinking before in women. you tell them most women are shorter than men and they'll say not all women are short.
>>741489143The original claim was that most popular games from the time had ''piss filters'', I asked you to name some other than the usual collage of RE5/MGS5/Gears that is always posted, you couldn't answer the question, then you stopped replying to the argument entirelyI accept your total concession
>>741489306>>741489584True, it was always a thing. Then you have people pretending that brown and drab color palettes started in 2005
>>741489157This isn't a ''piss filter'' at all tho
>>741489942Why did you ignore that Assassins Creed 1 literally falls into it?
>>741491856Wouldn't fit his narrative.
>>741489942Also lol aren't people bitching about Resynced missing the zoomie nostalgia?
>>741487986Are you even paying attention? Can you read at all? I said post-processing brown is shit. Bloom is shit always. HDR is a turd.
>>741491856>>741492037Why do you ignore every game that doesn't? How come you still can't respond to my question and keep ignoring it? I like how you try this last minute after you ran away from every argument kekBtw, AC1 literally has a different look for each city
>>741492053Yeah of course people are mad they messed up that scene
