https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_aVTHKzGbA
neat, but i'm not watching that.
He's been at it since last yearNothing has been confirmee yet, this is clickbait.
Ultima 9 remake when you crusty old Brit?Undo the betrayal!
>>741479268>It turns out that Lord British is not, in fact, British何!?
>>741479130That's cool, can he stop working on that MMO and make a new Ultima?
>>741479130except ultima is completely worthless now
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>>741479130I've never really liked Ultima but that's cool to hear.
>>741479268>>741479320He's an American, but he was born in Cambridge, England. Apparently, he got the nickname "British" from his D&D friends because of this.
>>741479320He was born in the UK and his parents are descendent of British settlers.But yeah, he lived all of two months in the UK, lolHe's American
>>741479130this guy is a hack, he did a decade long campaign with his whatever of the avatar game and it was just god awful, nothing like UO at all.
If you care about this, that is the ultimate act of nostalgia virtue signalling.
>>741479364>series that made RPGs what they are>all but forgottenShame, really.
>>741479130boring old crusty grey hair boomer boys in the video
>>741479456I care more about EA being desperate enough to let him have the IP. AAA yids love sitting on IPs
>>741479508Both WRPGs and JRPGs, with JRPGs being more influenced by Wizardry
>>741479513You'll be one too in 20 years, don't worry!
>>741479430>his parents are descendent of British settlersThat's like a substantial percentage of all white Americans so that doesn't mean much.
>>741479130I honestly wonder why EA is even holding on to the Ultima license. Why do so many companies just sit on IPs they don't even use?
>>741479508Simply being too old to for contemporary relevance. Ultima was the grand daddy of RPGs, SSI games were in hindsight trying to do something of their own, and then you had IE titles which solidified the modern CRPG formula.
>>741479130That's cool but Shroud of the Avatar shows Lord British is not to be trusted with videogames any more. Unless he makes a new Ultima using modern easy engines and does it all himself as a one man project, then he might make kino again
>>741479649they're simply not aware of them. it costs these companies nothing to keep trademarks, ips, etc. stored away, the only people who actually know about them is probably one guy in the legal department who just clicks a few buttons once a decade to renew all the trademarks and copyrights.
>>741479630>that doesn't mean much.It does considering German and Dutch settlers are were also pretent in pretty big numbers. >>741479649>Why?Because creating something with it is a risk and selling it might create competition.
>>741479649For potential profits that will never materialize. If they have a bunch of dead IPs, they can revive them one day and the games MIGHT do insanely well, if they sell them off, they can't do that, or worse, someone ELSE might do it and make money that should be theirs instead. But at the same time, the games might do poorly, so they never commit to bringing reviving them, leaving them in this horrible limbo of 'Maybe someday'
>>741479649Because the important thing is that you have it, and no one else has it. Greed is not a sin, it is the highest of virtues.
>>741479745>they're simply not aware of themThere are cases of that, but the majority is simply lack of interest by them if it doesn't make big bucks then it's not worth investing in.Doesn't mean we'll let a competitor have a legacy IP though, they might turn it into the next big thing again!
>>741479130RIP Zelda.
>>741479897Post nose
>>741479130I hope he launches it on his moon.Remember that Richard Garriot owns the moon.
>>741479941He should moon EA
I would buy Ultima Exodus despite having no experience with these games.
>>741479936Humans are nothing but screaming children who go insane by pursuing impossible goals, and that's why greed is the virtue that the human race embodies most of all. Because greed can never be satisfied. So it's our destiny to devour the entire world in a desperate yet futile attempt to sate a hunger that can never be sated. That will be humanity's ultimate achievement.
>>741479649>>741479130
>>741479820>It does considering German and Dutch settlers are were also pretent in pretty big numbers.It was first and foremost a British colony that fought a war for independence against Britain, British heritage is kind of the default culturally even if it's not exclusively that ethnically. That said you could say the same thing for settlers regardless of where they're from, when it's that long ago it ceases to matter.
>>741479130will he get killed in-game again
>>741479130EA should lose the rights to all of their franchises
Lord Bri'ish is back, baby
>>741479130One of these days, I wish one of these "old school legend comes back from retirement" situations would actually work out.A part of the problem is that these guys got famous in the first place for their games pushing the hardware of the time to its limits and doing things people back then didn't think was possible. So they try to do it again and typically find themselves completely out of their depth. Either they completely bungle it and you get a weird, eclectic mess that has Shenmue "the guy that made this hasn't played a video game in two decades" vibe, or they actually manage to get back in the saddle only to find that "push the genre/hardware to its limits" is now several orders of magnitude more difficult and time consuming and you get a Star Citizen.
>>741479649They'd rather keep the license and do nothing with than let someone else have it and potentially make a profit on it. In a corpo's mind these are profits they lost.
>>741480502Maybe we should also finally realize that games are made by teams of people instead of a single person, unless it is literally a one-man indie.
>>741480524Again: the important part is that EA has the IP and no one else does. Greed is good.
>>741480556Sure, but its also true that often one guy has "the sauce" that makes an IP what it is, and without him it never feels the same again.
YEAR OF THE SPOONY LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO
>>741479130>Checked his twitteruh oh .. I think I might have to pass on this one.
>>741480556Richard Garriot did in fact program Ultima by himself.
>>741479897>>741480115we get it asmon, you like fat chicks now
>>741480691Mike lost.
>>741479268If they're going to remake any of them, it should start with 4, the beginning of the Avatar story.
>>741480502Garriott got famous for being the Godfather of the modern RPG game. The Ultima series is the shared common ancestor of both JRPGs and WRPGs.
>>741480704>Its been 10 years
>>741480691Pic related needed a team of editors and filters to actually turn his vision into the original trilogy. The prequels are what we get when his vision has no filter.
>>741480883Well Ultima and Wizardry, really.
>>741480917And the Sequels are what you get when he isn't involved.
ULTIMA ONLINE 2 BABYYYYY HERE WE GOOOOO
>>741480997>fragile zoomer gets ganked in minoc mines>UMM CAN WE GET PVE SERVERS, PVP PLAYERS ARE SOCIOPATHS>game ruined again, trammel 2.0
>>741480740Humans always want what they can't have, and what they want most of all is to be fulfilled. To fill the gaping void inside themselves. But nothing will ever be enough to fill that void. We were born broken and we will die broken.
>>741480886Does he still have a few dozen people giving him free gibs on patreon?
>>741480917>"Pic related needed a team of editors">he fell for an internet lieOh no no no no no no no...https://youtu.be/olqVGz6mOVE
>>741480704https://youtu.be/anqhlFO6THU?si=kuYxKIam4TM6APbQ
>>741480886>I've tried. I really have Literally all he had to do was low effort streams where he plays some videogame. That's it. Some basic ass, DSP-tier Let's Plays of whatever's popular at the time, BG3 or the newest RE. I get break ups fucking you up for a while, we've all been there, but Jesus man how do you make Harry Du Bois seem more same than you are.Actually, that right there should be the game he should've playe on stream. Disco Elysium. Can you fucking imagine?
>>741481265Get rid of his Popov Vodka money? Are you crazy???
>>741481380even lord british went to the island....no wonder he forgot to turn on GM flag in UO....he was busy thinking about.....oh GOD!!!!
>>741481352Even assuming George didn't have help, that still doesn't really explain the overall drop in quality between the OT and the Prequels. Some people only have one or two good movies in them, I guess.>>741481516Baneposting is the only thing that really keeps TDKR remembered, yes it's fun but the actual movie doesn't hold up that well without the memes and the same mostly applies to the Prequels. All of this is admittedly far better than anything regarding the Sequels but that's not much of an accomplishment.
>>741480886FF8 won.
>>741481380>>741481582>The British formerly known as Lord
>>741480886Jesus Christ.
>>741480883As much as I love the Ultima series, he's also one of the worst things to happen to gaming, given that he inspired JRPGs, which are just pure, distilled faggotry.
>>741480691Lol it was his recommendation to put Kennedy in charge. Would it have been as bad if he'd made them? Fuck no. Not even close. But he cut that deal and walked and left her with it. So he is culpable to an extent no matter how much apologetics people spin for him. I'm sure he like many other older creators has a lot of regrets.
>>741480886>bskyOh I almost felt sympathy there for a second, how silly of me
>>741479130Oh no it's another delusional unc like Molyneux and Kkojimo
The ultima games seem schizo on basically every possible level. Was this nigga on shrooms or some shit?
>>741481856All the big name auteurs are "uncs" now, there's no fresh blood in the AAA circuit anymore capable of standing out.
>>741481884He was a teenger when he orginally created ultima so...probably for the first few games.
>>741481856Anon. Every notable game dev is an unc now. Think about it. They're all in thier fucking 50s or older
>>741481946richard garriott is 64 years old
>>741481982>or older
>>741481946>>741481914These seasoned uncs need to go super sayan 5 or whatever with LLMs and make their magnum opus before they ack.
>>741481829>i-is that X(formerly Twitter), but quirky!?!!>FUCK YOU, FUCK THEM, FUCK EVERYTHING!What's up with these twatter purists(or twats, as I call them)?
>>741482039>I did something cool 40 years ago, surely I can do it again in today's marketHas this ever ended well? Especially in videogames.
>>741482098>pretending to not understand the problemClassic
>>741479130How rich is this guy? what has dis nigga been doing to make that much money to buy something off EA???
>>741480917>Pic related needed a team of editors and filters to actually turn his vision into the original trilogyWoah, so he had people who were doing their jobs do their jobs? Woah, that's so crazy, that's like every movie ever you dumb nigger.
>>741479130You now remember Shroud of the Avatar.Abandon all fucks. The guy couldn't make a spiritual successor (of online) even when he had a team and name recognition. Why the fuck would he do better with the actual IP.
>>741479130What was he doing on Epstein's island?
>>741481814He had worked with her for 30 years, she was a good producer. Who could've told anyone she'd go full retard? Keep in mind people liked the piece of garbage that is TFA on release and everyone thought "Star Wars had been saved from its out of touch creator".
>>741480134The majority of white americans are german or dutch descended even during the earliest days.t. descendant of german indentured servants whose family has been around since before the revolutionary war
>>741482372>He had worked with her for 30 years, she was a good producer. Who could've told anyone she'd go full retard?Most uncs became woke just look at that one God of War creator
>>741480886>>741481829he also ran a red light and hit someone and then lied to the cops
>>741482229What is the problem, hmm? Please be specific. Or would you rather have another melty?
what's a good intro now?
>>741482501Avatar is an unemployed 36yo that plays no games and watches vtubers play them instead while scrolling TikTok and having Discord on a second monitor.
>>741479508They'd be utterly irrelevant if it weren't for YouTube essays.I tried to play Ultima 7 last year and even though it's one of the better ones it's cumbersome to play.
>>741482547Shut the fuck up. You don't know shit what you're talking about.
>>741479649EA is weird because they'll aggressively hold on to old IPs even when offers come along. American McGee's Alice comes to mind
>>741479130I was just looking this series up a minute ago. Based.
>That one time when a young richard was looking at Falcom games and the dumb nips forgot to remove the ultima assets they ripped from his shit and he saw it and became ultra pissed
>>741482609Hit a nerve eh, fren?
>>741482704Nah you're just a dumb bitch. You're the loser here.
>>741482718Sure sure, it's okay anon. We're all gonna make it.
Those ultima games where they were just pulp adventures were cool. Like going to mars or an ancient dinosaur jungle. Think the deus ex guy was the one behind those.
>>741482398That doesn't contradict anything I said but okay.
>>741482372She recast Marty's GF in BTTF because she thought the new actor for Marty was shorter than her thus emasculating.Everybody including the actors told her that was fucking stupid but the original actress got booted regardless.
>>741479451He's not a hack, he's just gotten too old for the game. Pretty much everyone who used to work for Origin, failed when they tried to do something in the modern age(or got sidetrack with fleecing a cult in the case of chris roberts.). The last remaining body is Warren Spector, so if SS3 is also a fucking bomb, that'll make a clean sweep.Nonetheless, nearly everything they made at the time they were relevant was gold. A lot of it formed the foundations of entire genres of games and/or gamesstyles. Todd and the elder scrolls owe their entire fucking existence to Ultima.
>>741482781Whatever do something better with your time than to belittle people on the Internet. Do better.
>>741479130>Richard GarriottDo people still care?Didn't he literally blow up every single project he's tried to release for the last quarter of century?
>>741483586I remember Yahtzee reviewing Tabula Rasa so I guess at least one person played it.
And why does he need those rights?Ultima is not a franchise with unique characters or super popular right now, it's not like "it isn't FF without chocobos" or something.
>>741483881Brand recognition and nothing else
>>741483881Pride and a personal grudge at EA. You need to look all the times EA has screwed over Ultima back when it WAS popular. It's for his own piece of mind dying knowing that even if it somehow falls into another person's hands at least it's not EA's anymore
Finally, someone who will bring morality back to the godless tranny genre that is modern WRPGs
guards
>>741483586>>741483708Tabula Rasa was murdered behind his back while he was literally in space.
saw him on the ultima online outlands server
>>741480883>Garriott got famous for being the Godfather of the modern RPG gameWell, he did extort money from other developers for a while.
>>741479649just another way to kill competition
>>741480886>It has just occurred to me that it has been ten years since I have done literally anything at all, and after having seen ten years of my limited time on Earth slip away with nothing to show for it, I have concluded that it's time to give up.I know that it was probably hard to both break up with your girlfriend and also have literally everyone at Channel Awesome (who you regarded as your friends for some reason) give you the "Ides of March" treatment, but it's been ten fucking years of doing fucking nothing except moping.
Good timing, I just finished Ultima 1 for the first time, took a week or so cause I really didn't know what the game wanted from me, had a lot of trouble finding the monsters (didn't know which floor they were found in), and realized too late that you could travel between signposts to raise your stats. Overall really fun even in current year, can't wait to start 2 after a short break to play other games.
>>741482425Doubt
>>741480886Year of the spoony? Maybe next year.
>>741481829This 100% this.
>>741481829What does it mean?
>>741486803It's Bluesky over Twitter. Two shades of shit, as far as I'm concerned, but Bluesky is where all performative American lefties went to after Elon bought Twitter.
>>741479130Wasn't he involved in some scam and lost his reputation?
>>741479130yay!!! im looking forward to more demakes!!!!!
>>741482547garriot wouldnt make his mc a chud though, avatar will be a trans woman on a pride parade
>>741486845Ah there you go. Never heard of it before.
>>741480886Ultima X will bring him out of retirement. Then, we shall have the Decade of the Spoony.
every time i see an announcement about something new i hope the devs all kill themselves before that thing comes out
>>741479130After how bad his last game was does this matter?I will definitely play a remake of older games but he's long lost his touch and arguably he never had it in the first place.
>>741479649If someone else gets a hold of it and makes millions of dollars that's millions of dollars that you didn't make from it, even if you are incapable of making that kind of money from it ever.
>>741487251if you think he cant make good games anymore why the fuck would you play a remake of the older games
>>741483881It's personally important to him. His self-worth is intertwined with the concept of Ultima even though most of it is fairly generic fantasy. Considering he spent millions of dollars to go into space because his dad was an astronaut, his whims are more important than strict business to him.
>>741479508Honestly, I can't really see Ultima's effect on the industry much, or at all. There's a clear throughline from Wizardry but what's Ultima inspired? Unless you're gonna say they led to the BG games and isometric CRPGs
>>741487307Because those old games already exist and have qualities that he clearly can't replicate or replicates too closely in modern games to their detriment.
>>741479703None of the games British made by himself are kino, and none of them hold up beyond being interesting historical relics. One of the biggest issues Ultima had with its continuous narrative was British's insistence that 1-3 were canon, even though that made no sense.
>>741483881Ultima isn't popular or relevant at the moment, but it definitely has unique characters. That was a side-effect of a lot of them being based on employees, with a ton of crossover into their own personal P&P characters and SCA shit.>tfw the motherfucker Iolo Fitzowen was based on, is actually a real-life bowyer, fletcher, fencer, and lute-player>basically the same bard as the characterZoomers literally can't understand how serious some of these MFs were.
>>741487510>but what's Ultima inspired?all early jrpgs
>>741480502>One of these days, I wish one of these "old school legend comes back from retirement" situations would actually work out.Bloodstained lives up to Iga's legacy and is one of the best Metroidvanias around. If you liked Iga's games, you'll like Bloodstained.
>>741487510ultima 4 is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for games having actual themes and writing
>>741483171>Warren Spector, so if SS3bro.... I got bad news
>>741480502Mikami established Tango Gameworks after leaving Capcom.
>>741480883>>741480945What did Ultima inspire into Wizardry beyond esoteric "You can make games on a computer!"The grandfather of Wizardry is DnD, not Ultima. And Wizardry (along with the gold box games) is what made CRPGs. Ultima was always an offshoot evolutionarily branch that just did its own thing.
80s/90s gaming and whatever we have now are completely different industries and hobbiesunless he makes something that looks and plays like ultima 7, it's going to be shit
>>741487510Later Ultimas were the first games trying to produce a truly "open world". Not just clomping around, but interacting with it, with NPCs who live in it. It was absolutely crazy shit back then seeing NPCs with scheduled lives, going to/from work and home, everyone stopping by in pubs when it was time for meals or getting off work. Crazier when you paid enough attention, and realized there were things in the game like bastards who were cheating on their wives, or doing shady shit at night.Even little things like baking your own bread and selling it, was practically unheard of back then, and the guys doing the franchise were trying to find every possible way to give you agency any way they could.
>>741479320Yeah there literally wasn't a PC gaming scene in the UK when Garriot was starting. Like all of gaming started in the US, it was an MIT thing with some absolutely dogshit console options for the rest of the world for like a solid half decade.That said, everything he's made post-Ultima has been a disaster and even in retrospect, he definitely just got lucky with no competition and a couple of experimental phases that he definitely no longer has in him. Series is over. He's over.
>>741486304It was literally filmed on camera.
>>741481145The game was in a death spiral before Trammel. Trammel saved it and kept it going for decades. As it turns out, unsurprisingly, most people don't like full loot PvP. And especially not in a game so reliant on macros.
>>741479130>>741480883People don't even play those games.Whenever I see people recommend old ass games it's stuff like Might and Magic >>741479456>>741480502Yeah and once they realize they're hacks, they start to grift
Get hyped for a 10 year dev cycle after a kick starter for a game that's just barely ok
>>741487846>People don't even play those games.>Whenever I see people recommend old ass games it's stuff like Might and MagicOldschool Ultima beats the shit out of Might and Magic on pacing, mechanics, every level but maybe graphics, there's definitely more Ultima fans than non-HoMM dudes.You can play Ultima, any of them, right now and have a good time, it's not a fucking drpg series that takes forever to get going.
>>741481884>>741481918Garriott pretty famously didn't like that kinda drug culture. That's why he didn't get on with Sierra, whose entire business ethos in the 80s was working till 9pm then doing coke and booze all night.
>>741487510Zelda was entirely inspired by Ultima. So was Dragon Quest.
>>741482501Holy shit a Zebra-taur stripper woman!How ahead of it's time was this?
>>741480886Has anyone archived his vidoes? I really want to go back and watch them
>>741487510>Unless you're gonna say they led to the BG games and isometric CRPGsI WILL say it because it is completely true. If you compare Ultima 7 to Baldur's Gate, for example, the influence is undeniable. There's also the element of world simulation. The Elder Scrolls, Deus Ex, and so on are massively inspired by Ultima. It also was one of the first games to introduce moral choices and arguably storylines beyond "kill the bad guy". And Ultima Online was the trailblazer of MMOs. The list goes on and on.
Richard's modern gaming efforts post NCsoft started as fucking Facebook slop. I don't think the man really gives a shit about video games anymore and I mostly suspect it was more motivated out of a desire to get his cred back than anything. He missed getting interviewed by Gamespot and shit, he didn't really care about making a new world for people to play in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V2PbH1GU0cWatch this. This is what he was doing before Shroud of the Avatar - he tried to break into facebook gaming because Farmville was big. This was the best he could do. For all the 50 year old dudes out there wishing they had a new Ultima game godspeed you should have developed autism for something else because goddamn.
>>741487510Ultima is literally in the DNA of all RPGs out there. It's just such a foundational part introduced early everyone takes that as expected elements of the genre.
>>741483053>She recast a 2min minor role Okay..?
Yo, if you played Wizardry or Ultima, you're on your third hip surgery by now. Let's cast off the pretense that anyone on /v/ has played these games. You've played Tibia, that's close enough.
>>741487973Yeah he's washed. If the desire to get back cred leads to genuinely new and experimental work I'll gladly eat my words - but the fuckers like 65, he doesn't program or draw, all he can do is tell other people what to do.
>>741488030It takes 10 seconds to download any given Wizardry or Ultima and play it. You can just play the fucking game. Press the buttons, button-presser.
>>741487747>The grandfather of Wizardry is DnD, not Ultima. And Wizardry (along with the gold box games) is what made CRPGs. Ultima was always an offshoot evolutionarily branch that just did its own thing.For the period, but now? Ultima's legacy is far more influential. Hell, people don't even know what blobbers are.
>>741487923Fun Fact: Dr. Cat(one of the earlier devs, in-game character had a cat-themed bar), was a huge fucking furry and went on to do that lite-MMO Furcadia later./v/ would go into a schizophrenic frenzy if it truly understood just how many furries, trannies, and other degenerates have been doing core system work in the industry from the early days.
>>741483982>You need to look all the times EA has screwed over Ultima back when it WAS popular. HE STILL SOLD IT TO THEM. He hated EA and especially their CEO for trying to fuck Origin over, and that's fair. But years later, when Ultima games weren't moving the kind of units he wanted them to, when he was seeing year on year losses held up only by Wing Commander, he went crawling back and sold Origin to EA. And then EA treated Origin more than fairly, they gave them all the money and development time they needed... and Origin churned out U8.
>>741488087Funny how much you can get done in life if you don't have a bitch in your ear.
>>741480886Damn...
>>741487831I think i need prove of that egregious claim.
>>741488117To be fair, U8's existence led to the Crusader games which were fucking ace. But yeah.I wouldn't say EA treated them or anyone else fairly, but he still had the option of not selling out to the company he portrayed as the literal face of all evil.
>>741480886HAHAHAHA GET FUCKED FAGGOTTHE SAME TO ALL UNFUNNY FF8-HATERS
>>741488039>but the fuckers like 65, he doesn't program or draw, all he can do is tell other people what to doUnironically I do not care, that isn't even a problem. You need a guy that does that. You need someone with a strong vision that keeps everything on point. For some reason though every single known name 90s dev that did this completely failed though. My problem with Richard in that role is that I doubt that he is capable of it. He's an insanely vapid person. I doubt he has the multitudes within him to create a work I'd care about now. He's probably capable of producing a fantasy world with some elves in it, some sort of empire, and maybe an evil wizard. That worked in the 80s. It even worked for a minute in the 90s. It didn't work in the 2010s and it won't work now even if he has the Ultima brand. >>741480886Spoony's been suicide baiting for so long now I can't remember a time he wasn't. I feel sort of bad for him because he didn't have to be the total loser he became and it's kind of shit to watch someone undo themselves like this but it's also pretty rude of him to not just go away and hang about like this.
>>741488039Hopefully he's happy just having his IP back.He can always write light novels or full books with the setting, and/or open it up to an expanded universe type thing with the fandom. That might actually be fairly profitable.
>>741487638Wizardry, zero Ultima blood. >>741487694Ultima 4 doesn't have any writing, the "plot" could fit on a napkin. It doesn't have any themes either, it's got an idea, a morality system. That's an interesting idea, but it's not responsible for Videogame writing. CRPGs come from DnD and LotR, which both existed before and during Ultima.>>741487790Which goes back to my point about Ultima just doing its own thing. Nobody else did that, they didn't inspire anyone or change anything. No modern Open World game draws anything from Ultima. Ultima's open world was lost tech.>>741487915Zelda maybe. They directly say the game wasn't any fun and they only liked the sense of character progression. But Zelda 2 was a straight RPG nothing like any Ultima and ALttP codified the formula from then on, zero Ultima blood.DQ is Wizardry. >>741487961The throughline for BG runs DnD/LotR -> Wizardry -> Gold Box games. Zero Ultima blood. Elder Scrolls etc were all from Wizardry. Ultima Underworld was an original IP rejigged to be an Ultima game, same as Star Fox Adventures was, and that's what led to Dues Ex and similar games. And, of couse, UU was Wizardry. >>741488024Nope. Wizardry, Gold Box, DnD and Tolkein are the RPG bloodlines. Few if any have any Ultima blood mixed in.
>>741488442Chrono Trigger cites Ultima 2 directly, bitch.
>>741479130Could Garriott summon Spoony's spirit from the dark realm of depression?
>>741488442Ah, so you are just trolling
If your only claim to fame is to have inspired far better games, there is no reason to play you outside of a museum.
>>741480556"There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person," says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex.
>>741488396Most of them don't really seem able to grasp where the industry's moved from where they were when they were doing it.Like, Ultima Ascension. As an experiment or a tech-demo, that game was pretty cool. But it was obvious they had no idea and/or no interest in developing anything past what they used to do. Which was fine when you had those kind of capacity limitations, but people expect a fuck of a lot more nowadays. And you know damn well someone on that team told them as much early on, when they started laying out what they wanted to do.Vidya has the worst case of "old man in the club" syndome that you're ever gonna see.
>>741488482Because of the idea of Time Travel lmao. Everything that anyone cares about for CT runs DnD/LotR -> Wizardry -> DQ -> FF -> CT.
>wow ultima has spells and swords and this new RPG also have spells and sword. clearly an inspiration!do boomers really think like this? what is next, wolfenstein 3d is an inspiration for fortnite?
>>741488442>elder scrolls drew nothing from UltimaYou don't have to like Ultima. I'm not trying to convince you that you should.But I would like you to be honest, because right now you're not.
>>741488539The games are still pretty fucking good.There's a lot of crpgs from the same era that are just completely irrelevant for good reason.
>>741488442early dragon quest games are literally just streamlined ultima games retard. it has literally zero similarity to wizardry you didn't even play any of the games you're talking about, kill yourself
>>741487075He unironcally could do this if he just emailed Richard garriot. He could do a crossover event like he did in the past>>741479456Some people actually liked the ultimate games anon. I always thought they looked extremely outdated personally.
>>741479649>Why do so many companies just sit on IPs they don't even use?*cough* Square Enix refusing to sell Xenogears to Monolith Soft *cough*
>this old boomer fart that is not relevant for last 20 years or so will surely make a good gamelmao even, the "best" you can hope is some publisher hiring him and make a cheap knockoff for quick bux. Like paradox did with vtmb
>>741488721good. everyone should stay away from xenogears, don't fucking butcher that gamei hope everyone stays away from ultima too and garriot just uses this to re-release the games or something
>>741488641Wizardry is the game that made JRPGs exist, it's the one they played and built every single idea from, the Grandfather of JRPGs. Slapping an open world onto DQ isn't an Ultima game, DQ1-3 don't play anything like any Ultima, it plays like Wizardry. That's why there's such an interesting disconnection between CRPGs and JRPGs, because Wizardry drew directly from DnD/LotR, but JRPGs are drawing directly from Wizardry without that previous connection.
>>741488442>Ultima Underworld is not Ultimanigga whatIf this ain't trolling you gotta learn it's ok to not immediately know everything man, you literally asked "what did it inspire" and got a bunch of answers kekIt's fine if you didn't know that, most of the posts ITT aren't talking about ultima because most here are not old enough to have played it
>>741488442>elder scrolls etc were all from wizardry>https://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Redguard_Todd_Howard_Interview>todd glazing U7 all over the place>not a single fucking mention of wizardryOoof.
>>741488785you should try actually playing ultima, wizardry and dragon quest instead of parroting whatever e-celeb you watchthey're good games
>>741488828they are all shit games, stop being delusional
>>74148876420, try like 35 lol.But maybe, I don't know. It'd be neat, right, just a fun crpg that isn't a clone of a clone for once?
>>741479130I'll miss this medieval fair loving ass when he dies.
>>741488764the industry has been in the gutter for the last 20 years retard
Those Ultima retrospective videos are pretty cool with how in depth they go about each game's development process.
>>741488965How will he die? Guy seems nearly invincible.
>>741488721Which is funny because now Genesis according to the giga leak is basically a pseudo retelling of Xenogears that avoids saying it's Xenogears to not infringe on that copyright.
>>741489003He'll die of old age on his throne (toilet) as all great kings do.
>>741488940Problem with Garriott is we've seen what he's been up to since. It's not like he was sitting around out of action. Tabula Rasa you can give him a little leeway with since NCSoft fucked him over with a concrete dildo on that game, but more recently he did Shroud. A game that was so well-received he sold it to a literal who and bounced, never to speak of it again.If he gets the IP back, I want him to lease it to someone else. I don't think he's got his head in the game well enough to do something anyone would enjoy.
>>741489065I agree and I'm fine with him whoring out the IP as long as it's to people who would be on par with 20-something Garriot who actually had vision. Like it's not like Ultima lore matters, who gives a shit, what's good about Ultima is the mechanics.
Garriott has ZERO clue what made Ultima good. It was lightning in a bottle. Dude legit thinks that the ideal form of RPGs is an MMO with player housing and other gay shit.The best Ultima game (Ultima Underworld) was something he had nothing to do with.Get ready for another scam like Shroud of the Avatar.
>>741479268Or try makig Ultima 8 into a decent game.
>>741489169A lot of the retrospectives make me think he'd love the shit out of Bethesda games because of how interactable the world is (being able to pick up and throw shit).
>>741488024When people say "Ultima influenced JRPGs", they specifically mean the Famicom version of Ultima 4, which is basically a completely different game form the original
>>741489159An Ultima game without Stones ain't Ultima.
>>741489169>It was lightning in a bottle.It was like 8 different lightnings in bottles that were all fairly different from each other.Garriot has no idea what made Ultima Online popular, that's true, that was just right place right time no competition - but single-player he had some actual thoughts.
>just try to remake Ultima Online AGAIN
a new ultima won't be good, gaming is shit noweven the so called modern masterpieces are all shit from ass made for retarded normgroids who want action and spectacle and realism they dont make good games anymore
>>741489264ultima was never good
>>741489202Yeah.Honestly, even the nu-fallouts would probably appeal. They did games on that order back then too like Bad Blood.
Ultima Pagan was overhated.
>>741488901It's pretty obvious he's right and you haven't played them, otherwise you wouldn't have said something as obviously ignorant as "Slapping an open world onto DQ", like it isn't obviously aiming to be as open world as NES games could get.
>>741489169>Dude legit thinks that the ideal form of RPGs is an MMO with player housing and other gay shitI'm not against that line of thinking - a game world that you actually want to be in and impose an actual physical presence upon it has kind of been the dream since forever. But first I think you need to make the world that people want to be in more than life itself first. Loads and loads and loads of games have come out in the past decade where you can build a house in a persistent server. Probably more than you could reasonably be expected to play even if you only played them for a week and dropped. And the vast majority of those games have been forgotten entirely. His problem with Ultima is going to be that no one gives a shit about it anymore. It's uncslop in the truest sense. In the 90s people wanted to be in Ultima more than life itself. Now those people ain't got much life to live, and neither does Richard either and whatever he works on now could very well be a posthumous credit given the dev time of a mdoern game, especially if it involves shopping around for a studio and raising the capital for it..
>>741489202if they make a new ultima, the most optimistic possibility is it being something like a bethesda gamesorry but no one will make a new AAA game that actually played anything like the old ultima games. the "modern audience" find even shit like following quest markers too confusing and want yellow paint and witcher vision in every game to constantly tell them where to go and a talking companion to kill the dead timethey'll make a skyrim clone, everyone will praise it as the best ultima game ever
I haven't played the series but looking into the games and checking out some videos on them Ultima 7 and Underworld 2 seem to appeal to me the most.But everyone online seems to praise Underworld 1 way way way more than 2. Did I not catch something?
>>741489783>i didnt play the games, tell me what to feelkill yourself
>>741489282A lot of ye olde games were never good, they simply were the first and established the genre. People thought they were good because they did something new and groundbreaking.
>>741489838But I directly stated what I feel. Work on your reading comprehension.
>>741489871They're still pretty good. Early Ultima still runs rings around like, Megatraveller, and frankly a lot of modern rpgs because they don't waste your time with exposition dumps or commute.
>>741489871yeah, they're unplayable by today's standards. even skyrim has more rpg mechanics than old ultima games
lmao you boomers are really like >yoooo this is so much better than modern rpgs
I just finished watching Majuular retrospective on the Ultima games this month. This cannot be a coincidence.
Oh, and here I just finished Ultima 1 and 2, and started playing 3. Must be for me to have more games. Nice of him.By the way, these were unironically pretty good. I expected them to be unfun bullshit that were only good for people who didn't have anything else, and for 4 to be where the actual quality starts. But no, they were actually fun games.OK, Ultima 2 is pretty obnoxious with how obsessed it is with gold for everything, but it's obnoxious in a memorable way, at least. I was kinda pissed at first, but in retrospect, its mechanics do create a lot of memorable moments. And grinding for gold isn't that hard once you figure out you can just endlessly swim through the Time of Legends for infinite monster spawns.
>>741489997Unironically it's pretty good. Play it, you won't be like "Oh I wish this had more talking head dialogue tree bullshit".
Wizardry was the better series.
>>741490036Can you be a fan of Ultima without ever playing it?
>>741489997>Not a single white personCurse this modern woke:ist slop. Thank god for classic RPGs, like Deltarune.
>>741490075well a lot of people became its fan thanks to his videos, do you think people here actually played those ancient games
>>741490090GoG had the entire series for like 5 bucks and I spent a couple months playing through it a couple years ago, takes zero effort.
>>741490075No. The games are cheap too and can run on any piece of shit hardware made in the last 20 years, literally no excuses to not play it.
>>741490075I'm not a fan of the series. All of its good games other than Ultima Online were released before I was even born. But I very much enjoyed watching all those videos on it to learn more about it. Fascinating series. Even more influential than I had realized.He still has to do Ultima Online and Ultima 9. Looking forward to those videos.
>>741487923There was originally going to be a Patrick Nagel drawing in there but they couldn't get the rights. The centaur was certainly quite a choice for a replacement.
>>741479130This would have been a huge deal two decades ago, now it's a pity prize.
Which Ultima game is the one from that post screen cap that gets reposted about insane difficulty with level drains and a fuck you die anywhere boss encounter?
>>741490129Actually, now that I think about it.I pirated Ultima because I didn't want to give EA money. And I assumed money would go to EA, not that I'm sure.Does this buyout mean there's actually a point to buying Ultima now?
>>741490191Pretty sure that's Wizardry, bud.
>>741490191Wizardry 1
>>741490191Isn't that Wizardry 1 screencap?
>>741490191That's Wizardry.
>>741490197garriott became a schizo leftie politician and he's just a piece of shit in general, you shouldn't give him money either
>>741490234>>741490239>>741490240Really? I thought it was Ultima and maybe Ultima V with the fuck you boss being a Shadowlord.
>>741490268>It's another "/pol/tard is surprised that a random figure he respected did not follow him into his deranged leap out of the overton window into chudville" episodeI hate reruns
>>741490290Wizardry 4 is the game that is and remains the benchmark for all the most impossibly bullshit features in any game ever. Here's an LP describing each obstacle:https://lparchive.org/Wizardry-IV/
>>741490191Wizardry
>>741490290the difficulty in ultima comes from the exploration/investigation, the combat part is piss easy
>>741490351Guess my memory ain't that good
>>741490290Ultima has had zero interest in ever being hard, Wizardry is the sweaty series.
He'll make an MMO, this retard thinks MMOs are the peak of gaming
>>741490290Ultima is casual as fuck. Stats and equipment do so little there's barely any difference between a level 1 and level 8 character besides HP (the only stat with meaningful increases).
whats a paladin
>>741490520Honestly it's pretty reasonable to expect the average person to not know what a Paladin is.
>>741487510Why can't you niggas just play a Wizardry game first before saying stuff like this? Wizardry games play in a specific way and that is not how JRPGs play. Shit, man. There were huge early JRPGs like Xanadu that literally just used Ultima artwork both in their games and in their manuals. Wizardry became a 'lore bible' source for Western fantasy games in Japan. Like how the DND Monster Manual became a 'lore bible' source for Western fantasy games in America. But that is not the same as the Wizardry games in specific being the greatest inspirations for JRPG games.
>>741490520Friendly Aladdin
>>741490075I don't think you can be a fan without playing the game, but I think you can massively respect the game/series and be almost a fan.It's alright to respect a game without wanting to play it because it's not for you, but the fact you haven't experienced it yourself in intended form does prevent you from being an outright fan. You can't make a judgement on art without experiencing it. It's the difference between liking cats when you see them on Youtube and actually owning one. The experience is just not the same.But yeah, obviously most people who play it nowadays get curious from Spoony or Majuular videos. Was the case for me too. These are pretty great videos.
>>741490562
>>741490562he's retarded and hasn't played them so he thinks they're similar because JRPGs use Wizardry's combat when that's a very minor part of the overall game design
>>741490520What was the story behind this?
>>741479130Not gonna lie, I thought this guy was dead.
>>741490602Fuck, Ultima manuals are so good. >>741490687He's not even that old, isn't that crazy? 64, not 84.
>>741490579In my case, I watched Spoony's Ultima videos on it a decade ago and barely remember a thing about them. It was just entertainmentslop for the youtube age.The actual Majuular essays what were really got me to appreciate the series. I had no idea that Dragon Quest 1 literally just copied Ultima's homework by having the exact same kinds of set pieces basically traced over and Lord British got pissed about it when the devs met.
>>741490687no, like every other old gamedev he makes sure to stay alive and be retarded until he loses everyone's respect
>>741490797Shut up, faggot
>>741490739It wasn't Dragon Quest, it was Xanadu by Falcom: >>741490562>>741490602But Xanadu did actually predate Dragon Quest by a year. Falcom were PC developers at the time, so they were a bit ahead. Still a foundational game.
>>741490739It was Xanadu from the devs that made Ys.
Is Ultima 1 literally the first RPG that isn't a dungeon crawler?
>>741479130I wonder if he'll try to make new games or if he'll do something like modernized ports of Underworld and VII into modern engines with new features, or remakes.>>741488442You're a dumb nigger. Wizardry's influence on JRPGs is the shitty grinding part of them, but Wizardry is a first person dungeon crawler with a simple town as a menu. Every JRPG that has a world map and towns and quests draws from Ultima. This is to say nothing of WPRGs that are all about being open and exploring and doing quests where the combat is mostly always a shitty after thought done in the style of something like Fallout.
>>741490919You still crawl a lot of dungeons in it, lol.
>>741490919Or rather, the first RPG that is MORE than just a dungeon crawler.
>>741490919There are D&D games on older consoles.
There are two branches of rpgs, the dungeon crawler focused ones that stemmed from Wizardry and the huge world spanning adventure that has you journey across a vast land that draws from Ultima.
>>741490998wizardry branch died and ultima branch turned into braindead action "rpgs"
There are two branches of rpgs, the pointless crap made before Final Fantasy 6, and everything since then.
>>741487510Final Fantasy was an Ultima descendant, Dragon Quest was Wizardy(so was Phantasy Star). Many nip games were inspired by Final Fantasy instead of DQ however.
I thought he went into outer space and never came back
>>741490998The latter also getting its actual combat from Wizardry
>>741491086You can do that in an Ultima game.
>>741491065Wrong
YEAR OF THE SPPOONY
>>741490556It was the literal Avatar asking
>>741491065stop talking about games you haven't playedholy shit this whole fucking thread is zoomers acting like these are ancient unplayable games that no one knows about and having watched youtube videos give them the right to talk about them
>>741490919There are still dungeons in it. If you mean, whether it's the first game where dungeons aren't the entire gameplay, then hard to say, since there were a bunch of (mostly lost) uni mainframe RPGs before that, and PC scene itself was entirety grassroots, so no idea if some guy in his garage did it first and then never released it.But unless somebody finds a mainframe RPG that has non-dungeon gameplay, then maybe it was. You could make an argument, at least.Also, I guess in Ultima 2 dungeons are accidentally completely optional, so it counts as competely not a dungeon crawler.
Based!
Ultima is isekai
>>741491181Are Paladins in Ultima 4? I don't remember, I mostly remember grinding spell mats.
>>741480886>a break up destroyed himSheeeeeit I'm going through a life-changing breakup at the moment. Am I possibly permanently changed/joever?
get ready for him to do absolutely jack shit with it
>>741491275good.
>>741479130
>>741491231Yes. 4 is the last game with huge class variety. 5 is where they trimmed it down.
>>741491168>>741491184Are you trying to gaslight me?
>>741491268Only if you use it as an excuse for being a lazy jackass.
Honestly imagine had EA not raped Ultima to death and we got a really great one around the turn of the millennium in the style of Morrowind or Arx Fatalis or something that really put you in that world.
>>741479649because Online still has whales here and there
>>741491309The part you're wrong about is where you said that Dragon Quest was inspired by Wizardry over Ultima.
>>741491309play the fucking games instead of getting your answers from fucking AI complied from reddit posts retardDQ1-3 are designed exactly like Ultima games, much more than FF ever was
>>741480886>bskydeserved
>>741491293I haven't played 9. Was this better in context and exaggerated out of context like most memes?
>>741491290he will either do that or do a fully funded and full remake of utlima 9 on his terms with him its either all or nothing
>>741479130Time for the Ultima Scam!
>>741491345>imagine had EA not raped Ultima to death and we got a really great one where they raped Ultima to death
For me, it's Ultima VI (despite the cringe anti-racism theme applied to literally red devils)
>>741490926What's his last successful venture? I'd be surprised if he had the money or even the assets to lean against anymore to fund the development of a new title, if he's smart the first 2 things he'd be working on are an Ultima VII and Ultima Underworld remakes.
>>741490919>>741491201Went on a bit of a bender to answer my own question and no, it wasn't. "Ultima 0" (Akalabeth) is not the first RPG that isn't just a dungeon crawler.You got shit like this.There's a list here that is about as comprehensive as you can possibly get with this subject.http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/p/index-of-games-played-by-year.htmlStill, Ultima is, for all intents and purposes, the father or grandfather of every JRPG and WRPG.
>>741491359>>741491391The first person blobber combat of early DQ makes the correlation with Wizardy more pronounced. Hence why I grouped the original Phantasy Star in with it since that's a flat out blobber in dungeons.
>>741479456I think Ultima is genuinely too old for most people to even have nostalgia for. Maybe some greybeards around here would have played Ultima Online.
>>741487510This is like failing to see how DOOM revolutionized shooters. You're making an argument out of raw ignorance. I'm not saying Ultima is the best game ever made any more than I'm saying our grandpas are the best men who ever lived, but it's fucking obvious where we've descended from.Ultima practically invented all the RPG conventions you take for granted.
>>741491427It was to explain things to any potential new players who jumped in NINE games into a series but the question is wholly inappropriate for the Avatar to ask. It's like if Snake had to ask what Meat Gear is in MGS1.
>>741483053Elisabeth Shue mogs her anyway, and Lea Thompson mogs ALL.
>>741491430he'll make an MMO again, he's obsessed with MMOs
>>741491437Aren't the Gargoyles a metaphor for the Soviets?
>>741491475>What's his last successful venture?Paid some Russians to take him to space so he could larp as an astronaut.
>>741491520Metal Gear?
>>741491345Literally every single American RPG company that was around collapsed at around the same time as Origin. Every. Single. One.I guess Interplay lasted long enough to release Fallout and PST, and then it died too.Maybe it wouldn't have happened if Ultima didn't bomb or something, but it's more likely it was some kind of systemic problem.
Which are the standout features and systems you guys enjoy in the ultima games?The only "ultima" game I played was the MMO, which is fucking awesome but I understand that it's different from the main series games.
>>741491601This is kind of like asking what's the standout feature of Doom compared to an average FPS game you can play nowadays. Or the standout feature of Resident Evil 4 (Original) compared to an average third person shooter you can play nowadays.
>>741479130If a new game came out today gamers (especially /v/) would be bitching about it enforcing a moral system on you with a clear goal, instead of conforming to their demands for it to be a TES sandbox.
>>741479508RPGs have come so far beyond Ultima, is nit surprising at all
>>741491501DQ is wizardry's combat with ultima's everything else, especially in the early games where it's non-linear and you talk to NPCs to get hints about what to do. like even simple stuff as, "the item you're looking for is 4 tiles to the south of this" and you search that tile to get it, and you can just do that at the start if you already know that. they're designed exactly like ultima, the other JRPGs copying DQ dumbed that down. FF for example isn't like that at all, it's all about going to the next dungeon and killing the monsters while getting some story between them
>>741491268If you start dating right away thrn you will survive. Most men take a break and get caught in an endless pit.
>>741491553I mean like successful financially, going to space with some Ruskis was nearly 20 years ago.
>>741490075ive only ever played underworld and its a top 10 game for me so i guess im kind of a fan
>>741479130Nice.
>>741480886But we're still gonna get the Spoony movie, right?
>>741491659There's definitely a middle ground between the modern brainless RPG that could be beaten by anyone provided they gave it enough time and the insanely arduous and mind numbing kind of progression you got out of Ultima IV.It's called Ultima Underworld
>>741491725played arx fatalis? you should
>>741491772played arx fatalis? yep, arkane are/were great
>>741491659if U4 came out today everyone would read online wikis that datamine the game telling exactly what to do and how to get virtue and how to get the best armor and where the runes are then complain about game being too simple and limiting
>>741491601>>741491642I mean, you're not wrong, but Ultima 1 and 2 are pretty cooky, actually.They really aren't generic and have a bunch of weird mechanics.I haven't gone past 3 yet, so can't say for beyond that, but Ultima 1 has:- no maximum health- stats increases by visiting sign posts- "immersive" food mechanics- all magic is consumable magic scrolls- space travelI could make an entire series of posts on how the weird ways these mechanics interact create some weird incentives and gameplay flows.Ultima 1 and 2 aren't really generic. They're so early, many of their mechanics just weren't copied, really.Maybe later games are less weird, though.
>>741491659>>741491842Guys... Come on now lol
>>741491842i mean they did have BBS back then
>>741491221A lot of Fantasy games would be retroactively called Isekai.
>>741491895>I could make an entire series of posts on how the weird ways these mechanics interact create some weird incentives and gameplay flows.If you could, I'd be very grateful. I love that kind of shit.
>>741491895When you get to Ultima IV, the games will become a lot less kooky and more similar to the RPGs you're used to. Although the virtues system is definitely a pretty wild take on the far more simple morality systems we have nowadays.
>>741490676Ultima 9 had the Avatar of Virtue the MC, who could have started as a paladin, ask said question.
Didn't he do some kickstarter game that only nostalgiafags bought and was pretty dogshit for a normal person?
>>741492063Maybe I will if I can find the time before the thread dies and if I can be bothered.I have a draft from talking to a friend on a messenger about it, but I probably need to rewrite parts of it if I want to actually post it. I guess I'll try but no guarantees.
>>741482495The problem is that it's a leftist echo chamber with a two tier moderation system where people that cannot handle anyone barking back at their bullshit on twatter go. It is populated almost entirely by dumb libshits that couldn't keep their mouths shut on X (formerly twitter) and as a result took the heat for it, but couldn't handle the return.
>>741487747That's what I was saying, that Wizardry and Ultima together are the ancestral heritage for both WRPGs and JRPGS.
>>741492878>>741492878Appreciate it, anon.Even the raw notes in a pastebin would be more than good enough.
>>741487683>Bloodstained lives up to Iga's legacyThe problem is that Iga's legacy is making shitty little handheld metroidvanias that are all worse than Hagihara's masterpiece.
>>741487683i refuse to play it because it's extremely ugly
>>741488721We all know Squeenix is a bunch of retards but did Monolith even ask for it?Bandai pretty definitively shutdown any chance at a Xenosaga re-release too
>>741482664They didn't forget, they just thought it wasn't a big deal and saw it as an homage. I blame Richard for that one because if he didn't sperg out, we could have had collaborative work that merged W and J RPGs to make something really cool.
>>741491569Probably because computer RPGs were always a small market. In the olden days of physical discs, mail orders, and brick and mortar stores, they were not financially sustainable like console games or other PC games with broader appeal. All those companies died because they went insolvent pretty much.As for why, well Diablo released in 1997. Around this time it seems some devs tried to increase sales by bastardizing their RPGs into Diablo clones. It mostly didn't work and they still died. Even Bioware, in its relative success, was merely chasing trends. By 2004 world of warcraft released and the traditional computer RPG market was pretty much over. RPG developers also tried and failed to rip off WoW.Basically Blizzard was too good at making games, they sucked all the air out of the (relatively small) room. Only with the rise of digital publishing and the indie boom could the CRPG finally start to come back, because there was now less overhead in making a game, it was easier to find an audience, and the total size of the gaming audience was much much larger than before.
>>741490919Technically Akalabeth had a world map, and that was 1979.
>>741493818>Blizzard was too good at making gamesAll their games but Diablo suck and that was made by Condor games.
>>741491475>I'd be surprised if he had the money or even the assets to lean against anymoreHe got rich quick in the 80s. Unless he invested nothing and pissed all his money away, he should still be sitting on a small fortune.
>>741491659>instead of conforming to their demands for it to be a TES sandbox.TES games suck. Who holds them as the golden standard for RPGs?
>>741491697I've fucked a couple of women but I don't really feel anything anymore desu.>>741491310I lift and do sports but don't really socialise anymore. I stay in bed all day on at least one day at the weekend but other than that I'm pretty active though by myself.
>>741494038everyone
>>741479649IP is like land in geopolitics. Even if you aren't using it, you never let an inch slip by.
>>741494092Xbrowns aren't people
I haven't played it yet but I definitely have ultima 4 sitting around here somewhere
>>741479320>Be a kid>Tell people you were born in England (true) and lived there for a bit>They call you "British">Attach "Lord" to it>Become your nickname foreverIt is not like he claimed to be a knight lol, he only added the Lord part himself for fun, but everyone just called him British cause that is what you do as a kid, you find nicknames.
>>741487683But it doesn't though. It's gameplay is fine, but graphically it is ugly and the music is not as good.SotN and Super Metroid both literally look better than Bloodstained. As if, with no nostalgia, if you put both games in front of someone I believe 99% of people will say Super Metroid or SotN looks better and I am sorry but if you're not competing graphically with a game that is like 20 years old, you fucked up.
>>741479649It's not about utilizing your IPsIt is about holding onto them JUST IN CASE...
>>741479649It should unironically be illegal, and they should lose the IP rights after 5 years of not doing anything with it.
>>741494001He probably spent it all going into space, he sold off that large estate he had a while back, probably to pay for his new game which lost a lot of money, if new games come along they are probably being funded by investors.
>>741479649Because EA is stupidly overprotective of their old IP's and rather hoard and keep copies of the source code safe with the community like wing commander than let retards tarnish it.Again, they also cant remaster them either because Yidsney retarded contract forbids them to use it claming that is too similar to star wars.which is why star wars squadrons was originally hinted to be a wing commander remake that was repurposed as star wars mid development.
>>741482319what was he thinking with that retarded combat card system?the guy got his ego inflated up from being around making really simple RPGs at the dawn of vidya so he thinks he is a forever genius innovator>>741488087oh sybau you mentally ill freak "hurr durr here's 1 example of a mentally ill retard who worked on a old shitty project with other people so that means a ton existed" you're a gay disingenous loser.
It's just gonna result in remasters for I - IX and some kind of re-release for Ultima Online or a release announce for a (very outdated lol) Ultima X or somethingYes it's very cool for Ultima fans in wheelchairs and on crutches by now, stooped over like crones but for actually releasing games it's not much
>>741494092Everyone who? Normalfags and casuals?
>>741494870Honestly if they're done well I would love thatMost ultima fans got into it late as kids so my first game was UO when I was like 7 which made me go back and play the older ones over time.
>>741494725>whore your IP out for millions of dollars>erm it's been 5 years, give it back to me for free
>>741494967>>erm it's been 5 years, give it back to me for freeThis but completely unironically, but I meant public domain, not give it back to whoever owned it before.
>>741494561100% agree
>>741494092lol lamfaoh
>>741494296Pretty sure it's been free on GoG since forever.
>>741479130Didn't this guy get cancelled?
>>741495094Take this and make it 3d, easy money.
>>741481637>overall drop in quality between the OT and the Prequelsit does. he got too big, people didnt question and challenge him, people didnt say no. its worse today all over the place. you have better chances of good work relationships if everyone is a little more equal, not just in power but in age. the editor of the prequels tells george whats wrong, but thats far too late for any changes that wouldnt take a lot more money and time thanks to insane CGI sequences. and also consider cutting a CGI sequence compared to practical one in terms of costs. each shot is about 20k$. put that in perspective.all that bloat was impossible to avoid this late into making it
>>741494725IP rights in their current form should just not exist at all. Patents are way more than enough. Copyright was never a good system, not even when all media had to be physically copied. "intellectual property" is a fucking joke and should almost never exist.This isn't some hippie thing, look up what Thomas Jefferson wrote about it. Intellectual monopolies are unnatural, anti-social, harmful to society, unprofitable to the free market, impractical, exploitative, damage the posterity of human culture, infringe on human rights, and are basically just fucking evil.They are almost entirely indefensible, only in certain beneficial cases should society suffer the "embarrassment of an exclusive patent", as he put it. Keep in mind he's talking about patents, which only lasted 14 years then, and last 20 years now, not copyright protection, which constitutes about a CENTURY long monopoly. Completely ridiculous.
>>741495397Arx Fatalis already exists. Just improve that formula.
>>741495397but it already is a 3d space
>>741487923One of the artists working on that game was a furry, he put that taur in there
>>741495539and i want to add, people forget that george still produced a lot of stuff that he didnt direct, noteably a few late kurosawa movies, mishima by paul shrader, heaps of videogames, he had pixar, ilm etc. he shouldnt have directed nor written the prequels at all. it was the perfect moment to pass the baton, but his ego didnt let him
>>741495583I remember seeing that game for the first time in like 2013 or somethingWould have literally been a mutli billion dollar franchise today if it wasn't taking so long to develop lol
>>741495583I want a sequel to that but I mean as a remaster for Ultma VII>>7414956973d for more dynamism and to fix those fucking ships.
>>741495583Arx is like Underworld, not VII, and it's not as good. Great idea, but a lot of issues in execution.
Good give the old games to a competent developer to remaster like Krome that did bards tale trilogy keep them kind of uniformother devs for laters gamesremake ultima 9 get Larian to make ultima 10
>>741495910I would love a non-shit modern Underworld so bad, but never ever.
>>741495910Wrong, you love the pacing hitting a fucking brick wall whenever the kmart helghast show up, that's your favourite part.
>>741495910>>741496016monomyth it's a bit rough and indie but it's made by 1 guy that started working on it after being profoundly disappointed by underworld ascendant
>>741495980>get Larian to make ultima 10I want an RPG, not a gay sex simulator.
Imagine if Garriott re-implemented his "harsh realistic movement system" in the form of a Death Stranding ripoff
>>741479130Ultimata is pretty much the definition of an out-dated series at this point. It paved the way for more mature games, had some novel (and that is not an insult) ideas, helped to establish morality in video games, helped to launch the CRPG, helped the modern JRPG happen (along with wizardy) and yet I think a new one shouldn't ever be made.If they made a new Ultima game with the same general style of mosh-pit real time combat with 0 abilities, awkward spells, and nightmarish inventory management it would honestly review horribly. Ultima would only work if the game were totally remade in a different style of RPG with new RPG systems and new mechanics that would make it virtually unrecognizable as an Ultima game. The series is a relic of the past and I am glad that Lord British has the rights back but just leave it buried please.
Rank the Ultima games in order from best to worst.
>>741493229OK, I have it for Ultima 1, but it's just me rambling. No guarantees that it's actually readable.Ultima 2 still needs more rewrites.Also, it obviously spoils the game completely, so if you want to play it yourself, maybe don't read it. The weird mechanics are the most interesting thing about the game, so it might be less amusing if you already know everything.
>>741496136I wanted desperately to like Monomyth, but it just didn't feel good to play. It's not the same in terms of adventure style, but Neverlooted is the dungeon crawling indie I'm looking most forward to purely for the mechanics. It's phenomenal on that front.
Could he make a movie out of it ?
>>741496360Ultima 1 is not ball-bustingly hard. It's actually quite a simple game at its core, and it's enjoyable because of that.But the thing I keep going back to is just how weird the RPG mechanics there were. They create some really weird incentives. But it is an interesting game because of that.For example, there is no max HP. At all. You only have current HP which doesn't have a limit. There's no healing but there's raising your HP which can be done by two main methods (there are a few other ones but they're more situational).The first is bribing kings with gold so they raise it at 1 gold to 1.5 HP rate, which is mostly useful in end game to buff yourself to max or if you spent a long time wandering the overworld and need a boost.The second is killing monsters in dungeons, specifically in dungeons. But your HP is not raised while you're in the dungeon, it's raised after you exit depending on how much experience you got. Enemies on the overworld give you gold but don't give you HP, while ones in dungeons give both.So, optimal play once you spawn in the world is to immediately, without any equipment, run to the nearest dungeon while avoiding overworld enemies like the plague. Then you enter, kill a single rat and immediately come back for HP gains. Rinse and repeat until you're in the safe zone.Level 3 enemies are a lot harder though, so they will probably kill your weak ass. First two floors are optimal.Doing anything but immediately running to a dungeon is too dangerous, since the enemies on overworld don't heal you, and getting to a king can be inconvenient after an overworld fight. The overworld is way more risky than the dungeon. Also, I'm not sure, but I think the enemies there are tougher too.The only place a fledgling adventurer can be safe is in embrace of giant rats and skeletons on level 1 of the dungeon. The only reasonable course of action is to immediately flee The Lands Of Lord British for Mondain's Gate of Hell, for your own safety.
>>741496150>Ultima would only work if the game were totally remade in a different style of RPG with new RPG systems and new mechanics that would make it virtually unrecognizable as an Ultima game.Sounds par for the course for the series
UU 1 = 7 > UU 2 > 8 > akalabeth >>>>>>> 9 haven't played the others
>>741496449Another peculiarity is how the stat and class system works.The god stat in the game is Intelligence, and the best class is Wizard.Why? Is it because magic is powerful, you ask?Well, it is, but frankly, I haven't used much magic in my playthrough, and I think that's typical. After all, every single spell is consumable and costs a lot of gold. You can't just sling them around until you're rich.I mean they're useful. You are going to use some. Ladder Down and Ladder Up spells are indispensable in dungeoning. If you have Destroy Wall, you're probably going to use that a lot too. Kill is nifty.But, you're not going to use them that much because of how much of a gold drain they are. Ladder Down and Ladder Up are honestly the most likely to be used.I think Magic Missile is also pretty good, but frankly by the time I got enough to use, I was wrecking everything in a single strike anyway.You may ask, well if you don't use magic much why get a lot of Intelligence and why get a wizard?That's because Intelligence, besides the unimportant detail of raising spell damage or whatever, also affects bartering. It decreases the prices of everything in the shops.Besides spells, those are bartered with Wisdom, but who cares about spells anyway, you're a wizard, you have more important things to do.Prices are very important because almost all your progress comes from getting better equipment and transportation. But that's not the reason why you need high Int at the start.The reason is that each step on the overworld consumes food, and you immediately die if it runs out. The only way to get more food is to pay for it with gold. It's pretty much a second health bar, which checks for your financial status.That's why Intelligence is important. It allows you to buy a fuckton of food at the beginning and get a huge buffer before death.
>>741479130who cares?hasnt he made a game in the last 7 or some years? and that game was dogwater shit?
>>741496526It also speeds up other progression since you get transportation and weapons easier. And transportation makes you consume less food which is also very nice.Oh, and why play as the wizard? Well, first they get a huge buff to Intelligence which is nice, as we said earlier. The second is that they get four unique spells, some of which are pretty handy.The other classes don't get anything near as nice. Fighters get more stat points which is whatever. Priests don't have a spell failure chance which is whatever. Thieves can steal shit a bit better which is mostly useless if you have a save handy.The spells, on the other hand, include Destroy Force Wall, and these walls are widespread on lower levels of the dungeons, and Kill, which immediately kills any monster. Not a deal breaker but these are nice to have.Also, a neat lore detail from the manual: apparently spells were completely banned before Mondain, the big evil wizard, showed up, and only recently did the kings agree to unseal magic so they could deal with him. That's why everything is spell scrolls, nobody remembers how to do magic in other ways.I think it's kind of a neat explanation. Really, Mondain was the greatest thing ever for magic researchers, it never really went away after that. Makes you think maybe he had a point.Oh yeah, Ultima has levels and experience. These are almost completely useless. They don't raise your strength at all, they're literally just numbers you have.They only do two things. First, on higher levels you get more items in shops. This is pretty important, but the list is maxed out at like level 3, and you have 10 in total, so most of those don't affect this.Second, you need to raise your level to 8 to woo a princess, because if you don't, she thinks you're lame and doesn't help you out. But that's probably something you get in the natural course of playing the game.
>>741496617Oh yeah, the princess also wants you to be a Space Ace, which requires you to shoot down 20 TIE Fighters. Well, you do have to deliberately seek that out, but as long as you watch your space fuel, it frankly doesn't take that long anyway. I guess level 8 is just not cool enough for her either? Those picky royals.I still think the real moment when you become strong in Ultima is when you get a frigate. Frigates make you consume a lot less food, they have powerful cannons which shoot three tiles and are pretty powerful, and most importantly, most enemies can't swim and so physically can't reach you on water. Really, the moment you get the ship is when you have made it.When you get the aircar, you have REALLY made it, since those can fly both over land and sea. The only tile they can't visit is, ironically, forests, which most other land-based vehicles can use. It's a bit annoying to try to glide around forests when you travel, since you don't want to leave the aircar, but I do think it's pretty cool how there's a downside to them.Oh, the stats are raised by traveling in circles to sign posts in the overworld and praying at them. There's a weird curve to it where you get 10% of your current value as a bonus, so if your Int is 10, you get 1 point for like 10 trips straight, but if it's 40, then you get 4 straight away, and 5 before too long. So low stats are a lot more annoying to raise that way.You can pray however much you want, though not at the same shrine twice in a row. Nothing really stops you from visiting two nearby shrines repeatedly though, which is what most people do.Except for Strength, which is only raised by doing quest to visit other signposts for kings, and has the opposite curve, where you get 10 points at first, and then it starts to diminish. It's more sensible, but because of that Strength just happens to be the most annoying to max.
>>741496712It's also the one reason to actually do complex signpost routes, and Strength is a pretty important stat, so I guess it does have a purpose in a way.Also, one signpost gets you weapons instead of stats, but only those you don't have. It's the only way to get the blaster, I think, which is pretty good. Not that phaser is bad either. Also, going to dungeons and fighting thieves makes getting the blaster way more annoying than it should be, since those steal your unequipped weapons.Alright, let's talk about space. Space is pretty much a different game. To go there, you obviously buy a shuttle at a town, and make sure to get either a vacuum suit or reflect armor. Then you just sit in shuttle and take off.The weird thing about space is that in a tile-based game, it's completely not tile-based. You fly around these screens with inertia, you jump through hyperspace, you connect with space stations, you shoot down evil TIE fighters of Mondain. Usual space stuff.The first hurdle is connecting to a space station, which requires pixel-perfect connection. Then you choose one of two space ships to actually fly in, one with more shields or one with more fuel.Then you jump through hyperspace and shoot down TIE fighters in a first person mode. The trick here is to know whether you can make a cursor intercept the spaceship before it leaves the screen. The spaceships always move away from your cursor towards the edge of the screen.And of course, your cursor is controlled by keyboard and moves very slowly. So you try to move it in such a way so that TIE fighter doesn't leave before you can shoot it, by positioning it to the edge of the screen it is closest to.Sometimes it's just impossible to do it in time, so you just let it go. Sometimes it's easy, and sometimes it's tricky. You get used to it. Once you shoot down 20 of those on different screens, you're done with space.
>>741496765Just make sure you didn't spend all your gold. Connecting to a space station costs 500 gold, and you can only return to Earth on a shuttle you originally went in. Any other ship will crash.It is entirely possible to do everything you want to do in space, return back to Solar System and find out you don't have enough gold to actually get into the shuttle and return to Earth. Happened to me. Make sure you have some spare money for refueling.Overall, there's just a lot of those peculiarities to the game. They make it interesting, but it's really not how you would think an RPG would play.
>>741496582shroud of the avatar which is still going and f2p dunno how much garriot actually had to do with it
>>741496582Going to space changed him forever. Whatever is up there, it isn't pretty.
>>741496449>>741496526>>741496617>>741496712>>741496765>>741496830Holy hell.That's quite a bit o jank and weirdness.Peculiar indeed.Thanks anon.
>>741479130Cool, but I'm not seeing anything new and good Ultima-related happening without Warren Spector codeveloping the game. I'd rather have the series become officially freeware to be honest.
>>741480502True.It's because they're forever chasing a peak that happened in a totally different technological epoch. It's like a caveman who invented the wheel trying to come out of retirement to innovate a new paradigm of aircraft. They lifted the bar above their heads, and then stayed in place while wave after wave of successors have been tugging on it for decades.These types of people should honestly just be satisfied with their historical contributions and move on instead of desperately trying to cling to their glory days. Sometimes you actually do just need to pass the torch instead of clutching it with a death grip.
>>741497508>These types of people should honestly just be satisfied with their historical contributions and move on instead of desperately trying to cling to their glory days. Sometimes you actually do just need to pass the torch instead of clutching it with a death gripThat's the guy who made Tetris. He is not some maestro of game design who can come back and create a new masterpiece, but he came up with a timeless idea once and seems to be quite content with that.
>>741479130I'm surprised with 400 posts no one saw the video. The channel is click baiting and one of the staff said Richard is attempting to claw back the copyright from EA because of a 35 year rule that allows for it in court. The problem is that this work was a work for hire and Garriot does not have any rights to Ultima, EA does when they bought origin. The lack of literacy and comprehension, let alone due diligence in this thread is appalling. And need I remind people, Richard failed twice with the last nft project he did. This is just an attempt for a channel to get views and a washed up creator to grift for his new project again. Absolutely no legal pretense or research was given here. >>741479250Only the second post mentioned this and no one even bothered to pay attention. I'm 100 percent sure that gamers are fucking retarded.
>>741499685Nobody is clicking the clickbait link or video here, my man, we just get angry at the implication there's something to get mad at, much more fun that way.
>>741479320All anglos are the same.
>>741479456???
>>741492942And this is worse than regular twatter, because...?
>>741480886How do you become this much of a loser? Like, I have some pretty bad days/weeks, but I still get up and go to my job. Even if I "feel inadequate" I still gotta pay rent. Someone must be enabling this guy.
>>741488396>He's probably capable of producing a fantasy world with some elves in it, some sort of empire, and maybe an evil wizardSounds kino. I don't see a problem with this.
Ultima VII is the greatest CRPG of all time
>>741480502retarded zoomers thinking games should appeal to them.He should make another ultima 4, not to appeal to your sorry ass.games that got popular despite zoomer retardation that zoomers love:minecraftundertrashamogusrobloxultima 4
Ultima eXanima
>>741479130And? Has this boomer made a single game in the past 20 years? Why would anyone care about what he makes today?
>>741503527mostly for a chance at a new ultima game. EA will never do anything with the IP ever again
>>741479429If he's ethnically British and was born there then I'd say he's a brit even if he spent very little of his life over there.
>>741503610You really want a new Ultima game that shits on the legacy?
I'm probably one of the only anons on here that actually beat Akalabeth though this isn't saying much, once you learn how amulets work you can beat the game in 15 minutes
>>741503691it shit on its own legacy already
>>741503723I beat it but with a guide. That shit was rather ass, reminded me of Ultima 2 in a way because it was the fucking hunger games for the first hour.
>>741489997Play the master system version of Ultima IV for something more palatable then play the original if you like the concept.
>>741489997zoomoids be like>yoo i posted the meme aren't you upsetand are welcomed with support and kindness because this is an ultima thread.
>>741479508The lasting influence of Ultima is smug liberal cunts whining about politics and Christianity. So say thank you Richard Garriot for making Dragon Age Veilguard a reality.
>>741503723I wanted to start a playthrough of the Ultima series and so far I've only beaten Akalabeth.
>>741479130He stole most of Ultima's ideas like the Virtues from Roe Wade.
