>Let me ask you something. Where do you go when you lose consciousness? You have a brain. The brain is a biological computational device running an electrochemical process. Your consciousness is an emergent property of said process. In other words: You are your electrochemical process.>There’s no such thing as a soul. We are machines of biology. Nothing more, nothing less. The soul is simply a pointless concept dreamt up by priests and fairy tale men. You think there is such a thing as free will? You want to be captain of your fate, do you? This fight you will lose. You cannot go to war against physics. All phenomena in the physical world follow the simple rule of cause and effect. Your brain is no exception to the rule. Was she based or schizo?
>schizothis is literally 12-year-old atheism anon...
>>741479849>>There’s no such thing as a soul. We are machines of biology. Nothing more, nothing less. The soul is simply a pointless concept dreamt up by priests and fairy tale men. You think there is such a thing as free will? You want to be captain of your fate, do you? This fight you will lose. You cannot go to war against physics. All phenomena in the physical world follow the simple rule of cause and effect. Your brain is no exception to the rule.If you're right, then my belief in soul is an effect of the electrochemical process inside my brain, just like your belief in the lack of soul is an effect of the electrochemical process inside yours. You might be right, but what's the point of being right in this context? What's the point of being right if it requires an admission of lack of agency? Its not as though, according to your own beliefs, you arrived at those conclusions through your own efforts. It's not as though you can take any pride in knowing the truth when you were always predestined to discover it. It's not as though you can hope to use this truth to help you achieve something additional, because you can only achieve things that you were meant to achieve. And so, what's the point of trying to convince people to follow it? It doesn't have any intrinsic value. You trying to enlighten people to this is just another effect of the electrochemical process inside your brain in this context, so how do you know if you're not mistaken if you can't even see that? Or maybe you can see it and just play along, but in that context let me ask again, what's the point? If this is true, then what's the point of anything we do, as a matter of fact? If nothing has intrinsic value, then I can just do whatever I want, including arbitrarily dismissing your claims.
>>741479849Didn't read. If you read the book of enoch it actually tells you what the dream world and afterlife is.
>>741479849I could've saved her...
>>741479849>The brain is a biological computational devicelol no, brainlet
> All phenomena in the physical world follow the simple rule of cause and effect.Isnt some tachyon particle or something can move faster than light and it can affect the past from the future or something
>>741479849Erm… i didn’t ask??
>>741481515The opposite belief also suggests a lack of will and agency, and can be argued against on the same basisThe point of contention should be left at the physical vs. metaphysical, because the argument of free will is a philosophical dead end that literally does not matter either way
>>741479849Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals. All knowledge is ultimately based on that which we cannot prove. Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?
>>741479849>>741481515Ain't reading this shit, im going to listen to not Jimi Hendrix do a solo.
>>741479849>Ma'am did you want the combo or just the sandwich?
>>741479849One of the more difficult concepts to grasp about temporal mechanics is that sometimes effect can precede cause.
>>741479849>The soul is simply a pointless concept dreamt up by priests and fairy tale men.>You think there is such a thing as free will?If there's no God guiding you or have plan for you then wouldn't you considered your action a free will?
>>741488246do chemical reactions have free will?
>>741488246Does a dice have the free will to decide where it lands when you toss it?
>>741479849Certainty is a tricky thing. Let's just say I would make a wager that she is right. I would make a wager that the universe in totality is strictly deterministic and that "free will" like how many would think of it, doesn't truly exist. I wonder if technologically you could recreate a local part of our universe's history, or if it would demand knowing information that is too far away to gather.
>>741488431No, but that's not an action of a person unless you are referring to chemical reaction in our brain/body, in the later case there are still many many variables here, such as life experience, culture growing up in and the person themselves that will make the decision and judge before the action.
>>741486203came to post this and I'm glad I was beaten to it
>>741479849If consciousness is just a property of matter, then can it not be broken down into smaller constituent experiences like matter can be broken down?
"""Realists""" are the most deluded people on the planet.
>there are people who desperately need to believe in a higher power because they can't accept "it is what it is"Why? Is it cope in response to existential dread? Or is it not liking something and thinking it can't be changed? How about you actually fight it instead of meekly praying for salvation like a pussy bitch?
>>741488848>If speed is just a property of matter, then can it not be broken down into smaller constituent experiences like matter can be broken down?
>>741479849the brain hosts a constantly collapsing quantum superposition that creates consciousness. when this is interrupted you instantly get reincarnated into a new life
>>741488971Yes, a clump of matter that has a certain speed will lead to matter other certain speeds upon being broken down.
>>741488971>>741489050*lead to matter with other certain speeds*
>>741488935>How about you actually fight it instead of meekly praying for salvation like a pussy bitch?this is just a different form of cope. you're not fighting anything. the universe does what it will with you.
>he still hasn't realised that random chance IS free will
>>741488848>>741489050Medicine shows that if you remove certain parts of the brain through certain surgical procedures, such as lobotomy, what remains of the brain is still capable of producing conciousness, albeit at a decreased performance.That's the problem here. You need a certain amount of brain in order to produce conciousness, in the same way you need a certain amount of body to produce life. In the same way an arm alone can't be alive, so too a small fragment of a brain can't alone produce conciousness.A property of matter is not the same thing as matter itself.
>>741489910Performance /= consciousness. To experience the universe you don't need to be able to do long division in your head. You just need to be conscious in some manner.A broken down form of consciousness would be extremely rudimentary, but it would still be consciousness nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC0ZGfQqHBE
>>741490094Does a person with a hemispherectomy have two independent fully featured conscious experiences?
>>741490479We won't know because we can only communicate with the half that's still attached to body.The other half being "broken down" doesn't mean it's still part of the same consciousness.
>>741479849Based. Considering the fact that brain damage is a thing therefore that means your "soul" can completely change. The right kind of brain fuckery can completely change someone or delete someone.
>>741479849impressive unibrow
>>741490646The half that doesn't control the body as much still has an experience, this can be studied
>>741491349I wasn't aware that was even a way to measure an object's ability to experience.Sure there are ways to measure reactions to stimuli, but not the capability to experience as far as I know.That's what makes this a hard problem.
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>>741479849Just retarded.
>>741479849Cringe reddit atheism, you are going to hell btw
>There’s no such thing as a soul.So in your high-science mind, consciousness and morality and introspection are just random byproducts of having a big enough brain?How come no other organism in the entire universe even comes close to humans in any of these fields? How come it has never happened ever throughout the history of the known observable universe?
>>741479849tldr would
>>741491696Asking the dominant half questions about input only given to the other side produces correct answers, it's still actively perceiving and thinking about things to whatever extent it can, and is able to communicate that information
>>741492202how would you know what a dolphin thinks about ?its mostly rape
>>741490839You ever do something or think about doing something you want to do and there's something inside you saying "no, don't do it" that you ignore?That's your body/mind being contacted by your soul in a way that isn't tangible or measurable. It's so faint that most people insist they have no inner voice, but it is there trying desperately to get you to ignore reality and focus on the spiritual/moral.
>>741479849Electricity and chemistry being able to be materially arranged in a way where it gains an experience of itself is just as wild of an assumption as the existence as an immaterial soul.
>>741490839A broken receiver doesn't mean that the signal doesn't exist, or is dependent on it.
What will reddit atheists do when they die and come before GOD THE FATHER and they release they cannot ask Jesus for forgiveness and they are sentenced to eternity in HELL? Do they think they can use their updoots and karma to escape eternal torment?
>>741492202Mistaken premise
>>741492963Pascal's wager is a poisoned incentive and it should bother you that you're presenting your beliefs as something you merely act like you hold just to reap the benefits
>>741485980Yup, free will, the point of existence, dead ends. There will never be a "correct" answer to any of these. Genuine waste of energy to mull over too much.
>>741492293Are you telling me that's what happens or suggesting that how the experiment would proceed? I'm no brain surgeon, but the point of hemispherectomy is to remove or at least disconnect the other half of the brain from the rest of body. There should be no way for it communicate or receive external stimuli, at least that modern science can conjure up.
>>741493430No that's a real thing, it's not a complete cutting of your entire brain in half and they're still technically connected through the old ass lizard brain in the back, it's just the frontal parts that are more "you" that are split
>>741479849>I can't live at Disneyland so I will never experience joy.Hate these cunts.
>>741493921Not much of an 'ectomy, innit?
>>741481515>he thinks because his consciousness is the result of electrochemical signals that he cannot be said to have agency.Both can be true anon. You’re confused because you are trying to compare to different levels of explanation. Materialists won, though.
>>741492436What about the opposite? That little voice in the back of your head telling you to do something stupid or dangerous or evil? Is that your anti-soul talking to you?
