Deltarune in 4 days, can you believe it?
Will be much better than nigger slop 6
>>741488645I can't WAIT, personally. This WAIT has been going by extremely freaking fast, it's great.
>>7414886454 DAYS AND 3 HOURS BABY
>here's your final secret boss, bro
>>741489270If Touhou beats Woody I will be even more of a Toby fanboy than I already am.
I still havent played it
>>741489270garbagegive me hibachi
Deltaslop. UnderUNC
>>741490537If being an unc is a good thing, doesn't that make Undertale good?
Me and Noelle will make [[Hyperlink Blocked]]
What if Noelle was black or chinese
>>741491393I can't take it bros. Not only possibility of Krusie on Normal route but also entire Weird route going to be crazy with shipping when Noelle is acting like a mind broken sex addict. Evey hour feels like a month now.
>>741488645Replaying the game, really proud how beating Jevil and the Knight took me far less time than the first go around. Im gonna replay chapter 4 to get gold widow to prep for my run through of chapter 4.
>>741491653I'm more hyped for the schizoboss and the weird meta scenes in the weird route then the shipping. Maybe that's why the WAITing has been so fast for me.
>>741491490>black gross>chinesewould
What’s the appeal?
>>741492408-virgin-white coded and blonde-christian-genocidalPerfect wife pretty much
>>741492408Imagine her head game
>>741488645So what do you think ralsei is suppose to be in the light world?
>>741492448She's a freak
>>741492498
>>741492408doe
>>741492408She's cute, is there any other reason needed?
>>741488645Should you be recruiting monsters in the weird route? I'm genociding on my weird save but it feels excessive...
>>741492539
>>741492616>he doesn't want to see every different sceneweak
>>741492616>I'm genociding on my weird saveNGMI
>>741492539Why can't Noelle just say "oh we used to be friends but we fell apart?"
>>741492408She is a very well written feminine character, something you never see in fiction anymore.She will follow a strong man to hell if necessary, she submits and enjoys the submission, she is a follower, like real women do.Media is not allowed to have girls like these anymore they must all be "strong" and "independent" which just makes them ugly to real men watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnYthread theme
Fuck it I'll do aborted weird route on my third save just for the Twisted Sword
>>741492665But the Fox only gave me 3 save slots, that's already totally full with normal/weird/thorn ring
>>741492781>thorn ringOh boy, another twisted route retard to laugh at when the next chapter comes out.
>>741492616>>741492712i'm recruiting on normal saveand genociding on weird route saveas shrimple as that
>>741492781>normal>normal no mercy>weird>weird pacifist>aborted weird>a save before whatever bosses you want to replayWould it really be too much to give us 10 slots?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>741492864I wonder if they will just disappear like most other theories.
>>741492959It's going to be real vindicating when it turns out the Twisted Sword is actually important.
i kinda wanna smell apple girlington's feet
>>741492951UUUAAAAGH-->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkYRvtGmJOE
So is Ralsei Kris's fake horns, or is he something else?
>>741492627>missclickedNoelle just read How to ____ Dragons and immediately clicked without reading
I can’t believe kris genocided noelle’s hymen
>>741492985The Twisted Sword is important, what you fail ro understand though is the fact that you will be able to get the thorn ring in Chapter 5 outside of the "aborted weird route". Don't believe me? What's the thorn ring? A thorn. What's one of the main themes of the next chapter? Flowers, and some flowers have thorns.
>>741492408creepy sado-masochist hiding behind a dorky rich white girl persona
>>741489270crimson slasherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3kPPeuFbM4
>>741493205Yeaaaaah I doubt that.
I still didn't beat the knight, I just continued on. Will it matter?
>>741493138How big is Kris?
>>741493253Come here to apologize when I'm proven right.
>>741493264She didn't say that.
Why was there a thorn in the computer lab anyway?
>>741493097That's a big Susie
which schizos are you laughing at when the chapter comes out? personally im laughing at the anti-dess knight schizos and the remaining mikefags
>>741492408She’s a slightly less unhinged version of those 2010s tumblr teen girls
>>741493264She said that, I remember it.
>>741493264Cool shitpost, but when will these sprites actually come into play? It seems like Noelle went to the Festival without a hitch from Carol.
>>741492408Classic feminity and attractive appeareance. Susie is a less standard choice since men usually aren't attracted to masculinity, but she regain all the losses by being that "bro gamer girl" who is much more relatable and closer to your nerd interest than Noelle who would be a perfect girlfriend where "opposite attract" standard relationship where man likes manly things and woman likes woman thing and they co exist.
>>741493290She should've.
>>741493393
>>741493330Berdly uses it for those emergency open buttons on cd readers
why is nobody talking about the entity who seems to be watching (you) play the game? the one that's talking to you during the intro, the credits of part 4 and when you lock in against the knight? they even let you insta-restart if you keep dying to random shitBIG Secret of Evermore made up world energy here and I have a invisible carltron eyeing me.
>>741493478I mean it seems pretty obvious.
I can’t believe Dess groomocided Kris’s rectum
>>741493272I'll apologize if you're right but I think you're completely wrong.
>>741493387Anti-Dess knighters, krusieniggers and femkris schizos.
>>741493478Holy shit, big if true Anon, who could this enigmatic figure could be? what a mystery
>>741493264Noelle would never say that lol.
>>741493387susellecucks, asgorecucks
>>741493264Noelle would say that lol.
>>741493503>>741493531It would be pretty funny if it didn't turn out to be Gaster after all. I mean if it's him why doesn't he speak in wingdings?
>>741493531You might even say he's...a mystery man.
>>741493478Play Undertale first man
>>741493097Wokes will try to tell you that THIS is a teen, thus inadvertently aging down what's clearly supposed to be a mature woman. I'm not complaining though
Someone better drop a downloan link the day it releases like they did last timeI still have the original release version of chaptah 3, with the ROSE and the PRE-NERF KNIGHT and SUSIE CALLING CATTY A DEGENERATE
>>741493264TERFelle my beloved
>>741493478Bro EVERYONE talks about Gaster, are you living under a rock?
>>741493387Suselle fags when it turns out there is an option to make it Krusie or Kriselle. Even better if there's not choice for Suselle.
>>741493059Feet are for being cute not sniffing you sick fuck. And if they smelled like anything they'd be dirty and that's fucking disgusting.
can the papyrus reveal actually shock anyone or will it his personality to appearance something already speculated about and people will be like meh
>>741493637Because Undertale is a simulation and Deltarune is the real world
>>741493527>Anti FemKris but pro SuselleStrange combination.
>>741492754shit twitter meme, if anyone ran over dess with their car it would clearly be toriel, the alcoholic whore who would have hated her for corrupting her autistic human pet and her golden boy, and who also drives a fucking canyonero (already referenced in the game too by spamton)
>>741493721It's the opposite, actually.
>>741493810But Undertale is on Asriel's computer in-game.
>>741492408She's like, mental n shithttps://deltarune.com/assets/audio/d.mp3
>>741493670the LOST BUILDS of Deltaroon are... PROBLEMATIC media???
>>741493264I think I've finally pegged part of what bothers me about that set of Kris talk sprites. It's like 20%? 30% smaller than any other character's?I know Kris is smaller than most monsters, but not THAT much so. Not his head specifically, at least.
>>741493670BASED
>>741493527FemKris is so unhinged that any mockery I had for it has turned to respect. the main guy pushing it has put just enough effort in to where it almost sounds reasonable despite having a 0.5% chance of actually happening unlike with most schizo theorists. also it’s just funny, however Toby could explain the they/them shit would be funny, the reaction here would be funny, them reaction everywhere else would be VERY funny and for that I can’t hate it.
>>741493834That's not Undertale, that's Mantle (Dragon Blazers romhack), meanwhile Gaster comes from Undertale and yet it's implied he made the narrative of Deltarune.
>>741493745how do you know he’s not a Kriselle truther or going forbid a Berdsei chad
>>741493895He has a small dick, Noelle is probably hung
>Cat silhouette + Snake silhouette = FRIEND silhouette>neither of Catti nor Jockington, the cat and snake pair, is meant to be relevantI'm going to go insane. What the fuck does it mean?
>>741494024>it's implied he made the narrative of Deltarune.where? all that's implied is that he discovered the Dark World in the UT world. Nothing implies he created it.
>>741493264I have yet to see a single decent kris talk sprite
>>741494024Hyperdeath Asriel isn't in MANTLE. Are you actually retarded?
Proceed
Prosneed
Okay, since there's only 4 days, can we talk all about the crazy theories made in Chapter 2 and that were debunked in Chapter 3 and 4? Maybe that can give us an insight on if we are batshit insane, or if people really predicted up stuff
I'm ready for the juxtaposition dark world
>>741493760>’toriel’ variable in the NotZelda game that visibly identifies which characters are Noelle and DessPeople aren’t ready to have this conversationThey’re not ready to accept Toriel did something that negatively affected everyone she cares about, and that she’s acting out as a coping mechanism. Asriel, Kris, Asgore, and The Holidays all had the trajectory of their lives changed by a reckless mistake of hers.
>>741494139Did you miss the whole "My Deltarune", the Gerson parallels and the prophecy being literally Deltarune?>>741494174Hyperdeath Asriel isn't in Asriel’s game, just a boss with huge wings. Meanwhile we play Mantle in the Dark World version of Asriel’s computer.
>>741494234Most of Ch2 era theories were bunk but the game hadn't showed all its cards yet. I feel now there's more context for theorycrafting.
>>741494234Papyrus knightBut we know he's up to something weird since he's explicitly absent from his house when it rainsYou're telling me this NEET just HAPPENS to leave his mancave when its raining out? Little chance
>>741494240>Woodyfags are STILL coping
>>741494282Just because he's interested in the prophecy/narrative doesn't mean he wrote it.
I wonder what Pink and Gold represent
>>741492721She's mentally ill and in dire need of therapy and maybe medication as well.
>>741494234Toriel as a party member. Her being asleep through the entirety of ch.3 and no Alvin in the dark sanctuaries convinced me that we won't be getting any new party members
>>741492539what does this mean
The weird route is too main stream now. It’s expected. The weird route worked originally because it was unexpected. Toby won’t be able to recapture the genuine “am I breaking the game?”
>>741494378Dess ships SolFef
>>741494034Only Susellefags hate Krusie to that point, although FemKris does take away the "yuri" factor of their ship so that's probably why they hate it.
>>741494326https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmjuQsWTQ7EThis video made me see it as remotely possible again. imo likelihood is Rudy > Dess > Papyrus > Carol
>>741494378The two that can defy fate
>>741494475Goes without saying. He swiveled to shock factor for Ch4 and Ch5 will be the big payoff
>>741494370This isn't him being interested, this is him claiming ownership of it. Deltarune is the creation that he fell onto and thus can't finish it without you.
>>741494378Pussy and Money, the two most driving forces in the world of man.
>>741494510more like the two that can bring about fate's wrath
>>741492627what does the N stands for ?
>>741494234People were either throwing shit on the wall or trying to extend the formula of two chapters to the rest of the game. Most of the big theories now try to play it safe with the ones that don’t intentionally being as contrarian as possible like transei, femkris, the knight not being a holiday, literally anything with friend, and so on
>gets the shadow crystals out of order>gets the eggs out of order>is able to fight the forgotten man >gets 5 shadow crystals >twisted sword? >determination
>>741494378Both colors have been attached to each other since back in Undertale, so it's likely not something Deltarune specific, but it might have a different meaning in the context of each game.I think part of it may be that there's two "main" routes in each game.
>>741494234Getting the Mantle by time traveling to Chapter 1, and yet people STILL push similar theories to this day.
>>741494378Love and Value. Also the spare colors in Undertale.
What was his major malfunction
Pink and Gold is like the frenzied flame from elden ring. Insanity
>>741494378Period blood and piss
I'll kill Toby fox myself if the secret boss is just a fucking 2 u reference and not a Sakura wars referet
>>741488645Thread themehttps://youtu.be/CSJviSATMOw
>>741493478>BIG Secret of Evermore made up world energy anon, play mother 3toby literally said himself how much of a ripoff it isthey literally live in a made up world and they stab needles into the earth to create light fountains
>>741494240>tfw undertale yellow accidentally predicted chapter 5God that would be so fucking funny
>>741494282Mantle isn't in the dark world version of Asriel's computer. We would have to go at least twice as far left as we travel right in the chapter, THEN up some kind of cliffs, THEN through a gate. In case you forgot, Dark Worlds do in fact roughly correspond to objects in the light world.
>>741494776Toby hate femmine people
Jevil was a harder fight than the roaring knight…Roaring knight runs awayJevil doesn’t run awayRoaring fraud
>>741489270>>741489445What if neither wins because they're both retarded "theories" that aren't even meme-worthy?Deltatroons are the type of people to unironically scream and clap upon seeing obscure enemy no. 637588 being referenced in the Mario movie.
Why doesn't Toby fox get a surgery for his fucked up wrists?
Why doesn’t Noelle Snowgrave Hometown?
Playing through the game to prepare my save for the new chapter made me remember how fucking much I hated the holiday manor section of chapter 4I hate suselle so damn much. I don't think I've ever hated any pairing in any piece of fiction more than this. It's so fucking bad.
>>741494851>tfw undertale yellow accidentally predicted chapter 5Please play Undertale first.
>>741494914My latest playthrough the knight took me less tries than Jevil. Pretty sure weird route spamton Neo took the same or maybe an extra try compared to the knight.I'm starting to think the devilsknife is the best weapon as a whole
>>741495091based
>>741495098>it turns out that chapter 5 isn't in flower king, it's actually in sans' house in the cabinet room
>>741495091its so bad that people have to cope that its bad on purpose
>>741494892The green room is Kris and Asriel's room, isn't it? That's why the star pattern is on the walls. I don't think the layout of the dark world was particularly respectful of the real world this time around.Also, Mantle is a romhack. Are you telling me the Dreemurrs have a fucking Everdrive?
>>741495104The hardest boss is honestly Gerson simply because it doesn't let you use items. Bonus points for defend only, I would not wish those extra attacks on my worst enemies.
>>741494892The green room is Kris's and Asriel’s bedroom, Ramb's stand is where Asriel’s computer is as we can even see his mouse and pencils/pens but as darkners. You go directly from Ramb's stand to where Mantle is. It's Asriel’s computer.
The residents of hometown worship Gaster and will sacrifice in a cult ritual Noelle to save the “survey program”
>>741494991Allegedly that’s his reason for going to glorious nippon (it’s cope)
>>741495217No you don't
Gerson lied. This is a survey program
>>741495091Take this to make your cortisol levels smaller.
>>741495258It really annoys me. Imagine going abloo abloo I can't use my hands anymore then fucking around in japan instead of fixing your fucked up hands. It's not like you have cancer fix that shit.
>>741495091I think what really makes it horrible is the farce. Outside of this place, everyone pretends like it's some adorable masterpiece in romance, like they're an cute uwu wholesome relationship that is great and cute and nobody could possibly find something wrong with it unless they were an icky self inserter.I wonder if there's a word for that feeling where it feels like you've gone insane and are the only one able to point out some basic observable truth that everyone just ignores.
>Toby was forced to change the weird route in ch 4 because implications of rape Interesting survey program
>>741495350"The emperor has no clothes"
I forgot which of my saves is the weird route, I assume the one I have freeze ring on in my inventory?
>>741495270Yes you do. Go south next time when you play board 3.
Chapter 4 >>>>>>>> chapter 1 > chapter 3 > chapter 2 (holy shit it's much worse than I remember)
>gets Deltarune ARG emails a day before Ch 5 What’s the point then when Ch 5 will just answer it …
Ready for your daughterwife to return in four days?
>>741495484>it doesn't answer it at all
One the saddest things about moving on to Chapter 5 is that there won't be a lot of remaining material to theorize about the further we go
>>741495483I concur
>>741495556Ch 6 7 and secret 8 Then another story of Deltarune/Undertale
How long before the janny starts bitching about the thread and deletes it (for free, lmao)?
Chapter 5 is going to lead to even more questions and only halfway answers screenshot this because I know I'll be right.
>>741495621when we reach 300 replies
>Noelle wants to be stepped on, eaten, etc>Susie is actually incredibly non-violent and wouldnt do this>The Soul unironically is giving her the excitement that she desire from Susie
>>741495150It's on Flower King, it's just that Reverse Undertale theory is REAL.
>>741495091Susie is clearly not a lesbian and has no romantic feelings for Noelle. It's crazy
>>741495350There's no term for being the sane one in a insane society, but there is a term to describe the society: Folie à deux or shared psychosis.
>hometown becomes a dark world>everyone gets hunted down like a horror movie in weird route PEAKKKJJ
>>741495720>Toriel canonically gets shitfaced around kris enough to such a degree that when he sees it in chapter 4, he's not even surprsied>"here's my fanart about asgore being the evil drunk dad"
>>741495768Anonymous...I...
>>741495350Everyone would agree Suselle sucks if it was straight and Susie was a boyNaruto ass ship
>>741495493Yes.
>>741495493The FVCK squad will only be completed in Chapter 6. So we have to WAIT until then.
>>741495843If Noelle was a boy, people would draw him getting tortured and humiliated like they do with pervert characters. He'd get called a sexual harasser for staring at Susie's ass in chapter 2.
>>741493698Main route is Krusie.Weird route is Kriselle.The whole point is that it's a parody of routes in a dating sim where the player character actively fights your intentions if you try to make him pursue a girl he doesn't want to. In the normal route, Noelle will blame Kris for Susie not being interested in her, probably leading to a boss fight that ends with Noelle first admitting to having repressed anger at Kris over Dess's death and then admitting she's just terrified of being left alone and neglected again. This ends with reconcilliation of the group.In the weird route, Susie is the boss, refusing to accept the extermination of all darkners, and having some idea of "Kris's" manipulation of Noelle, maybe or maybe not knowing it's (you). This is the last chance to abort the weird route, if you don't, she dies.
>>741495836I thought it was Asgore speaking only, I didn't notice the speech bubbles were separated lol.
>>741495620>secret 8That would be kino, but Toby would never add an extra chapter without advertising it all over the internet first.>>741495836Asgore haters just need a reason to dunk on him, can't wait for them to get BTFO'd in 4 days.
>ch 5 weird route ends>Noelle floats in the air smiling>everyone is dead and the guitar theme plays hinted at WTFFFF
Tasque booty
>>741495484This is retarded because the OST wouldve leaked by then
>>741495956It's going to be a secret chapter 0.
>>741495956>Toby>Letting a straight character be happylol, lmao
>>741495969Kill yourself porn addict.
>>741493698>Suselle fags when it turns out there is an option to make it Krusie or Kriselle.
Chapter 0 Weird Route where you use the Vessel to kill Child Kris and you then dump her body in the lake.
I wonder what Asgore will think of Raisel
>>741495843just using the word ship unironically makes you a colossal faggot
I thought it was cringe when Kris kicked the soul in the trash can boohooo I paid $20 for this on my switch 2 I can do whatever I want bitch
>>741496091He'll call him Asriel and act like it's perfectly normal and ignore correction
>>741495309Watching this scene was enough to make me feel better.I mean fucking hell man, it is just night and day, how much more chemistry Kris and Susie have. WIth s*s*elle, it's just blushy blushy uwuu uguuu shallow garbage. Then you see Kris and Susie and every moment they spend together is absolute goldIs this how those fujos that ship the main characters in animus feel like?
>>741496168He'll probably also make some comment about how Asriel looks a lot younger in the dark worlds for some reason and how it's funny
NG+ after the weird route where you replace Kris and Susie with Vessel and Noelle.No one remembers anything and all chapters play like usual, there's no second weird route.
>>741494317They weren’t outright deconfirmed. Moreso just executed differently.
>>741496386kinou
>he doesn’t know about the second super secret weird route
>>741496065Would this mean all other chapters get erased from existence?
Only 4 more days...What do you plan your playthroughs to look like?I have the 3 perfect saves prepared for>normal completionist - all recruits, all eggs, all shadow crystals, shadow mantle>weird route genocide - no recruits, dead jackenstein, dead tenna, dead berdly, all shadow crystals>aborted weird route with the thorn ringBut I think I might back those up and do a fresh save run of either chapter 5 first on its own with nothing attached before loading any of those.Or start with chapter 3 fresh into chapter 5 to do the scrambled eggs theory order for eggs first.You?
>>741495091>>741495350That’s because there’s some depth to it like the other ships. Like yes Noelle is projecting dess onto Susie but it’s clear atleast to me she likes her as a person now after the mansion segment. With the festival date happening we might see the ship get fleshed out more.
>>741496494i'm also doing scrambled eggs first, probably just to be disappointed but i'm intrigued to try it out for myself first just to see
>in order to get the twisted sword you need to complete some of weird route but completely stop half away just keep the thorn ringInteresting
>>741496608>in order to get the twisted sword, you have to pussy outGay. Hopefully fake
>people seriously think you're never going to be able to get the thorn ring again even though the entire thrust of chapter 4's weird route was making sure Noelle had the thorn ring equipped???
>>741496681Ask Toby
>>741496494Save #1 is perfect recruits and purifying shades instead of black sharding them.Save #2 is aborted weird. I did essentially as much the same as Save #1 as possible aside from chapter 2.Save #3 is full weird, no recruits.I'm going to play normal first, then weird. If and only if I see some way to do something with aborted will I play that, otherwise that save will be used to refresh my memory for a replay before chapter 6 comes out like I did this time.
>>741496034Pussy cat
>>741496564The only "depth" to this ship is the fact that everybody involved acts worse. Noelle acts like an absolute fucking creep who gets wet at the sight of her supposed friend being bullied, who constantly puts down others at any chance to get closer to Susie, who practically stops having any fucking personality the moment MUH SOOOOZ is so much as mentioned.And the mansion segment? What a fucking joke. You call that susie? That was not susie. That was some generic bad boy love interest skinwalker whose sole purpose is to act all blushy and goopy near her because "yaas le heckin cute butch and fem yuri"I genuinely despise this pairing with every last ounce of my body.
>>741496734No twisted sword for you
Just realized I forgot to do the Mike fight in any of my saves. shit.
>>741496494Just gonna let it ride and go completionist nice guy as much as possible during my blind playthroughHave the same save layouts as you, though.
>>741496472Nah, but they would barely work now that you play as the Vessel and not Kris.
>>741496770Tell me you didn't act like an awkward weirdo when you had a crush on someone back in high school.Those types of relationships never go anywhere and usually just result in hurt feelings.
>>741492864next chapter will be the moment of truth most likelyif you can't recover the ring from noelle aborted weird route is 100% the true ending
>>741495091Catti..
>>741495868This is actually male Kris crossdressing lol. It's part of the author's maid ship collection and they only see Frisk and Chara as girls.
Will the secret boss in Ch 5 use the blue or pink heart mechanic? Or will it be just red?
>>741496850I can assure you that i certainly didn't start choking out somebody because they said they liked a girl i had a crush on
>>741496752
>>741495969Love yourself porn enthusiast
>>741496334I'm 25 goddamn years old and this is the first time I have ever cared about a relationship let alone fictional. These retards belong together and if Suselle happens Toby is a fucking HACK
>>741496494Only normal and weird because twisted route is a meme.
The Twisted Route is real
>>741496752>reluctantly agreessweet
>>741497026>I'm 25 goddamn years old you said that like you're trying to say you're oldthe average poster here is 40
>>741496845Yeah, there's no Chapter 3 without Kris so I doubt the prophecy would work.
>>741497092fellow between-the-linesGOD
>>741496770To your credit, Susie x Noelle is a relationship that has been portrayed in-game as a frictionless affair up to this point, but that does not mean it is lacking of depth compared to other ships, it is simply left to implication rather than being overt. Specifically, I would say much of the angst in their relationship doesn't come directly from them, but rather around them, their circumstances and the things that happened to them before this point.Susie comes from a background of extreme isolation from her peers and emotional/physical neglect so bad many people in the fandom assumed she was homeless. Noelle had a happy and healthy upbringing, friends that should have been lifelong and eternal, torn from her before she could ever be ready. If there's anything to make this ship more compelling, the recipe for it is there, have either of them struggle to acclimate themselves to a new relationship when one has never had anything like it before and the other is scared it'll all just vanish one day. Have Susie second guessing herself at every turn because she doesn't know how to handle herself around someone who actively, loudly, loves her. Have Noelle be terrified of the fact that she actually has Susie after spending so long wanting her. Chapter 5 is coming in 4 days, it’s not too late to see their relationship develop.
>>741497171>the depth is that it's about a delinquent from a bad upbringing and a rich girl from a good home!Literally everything you said could be applied to Kris, except Kris actually has chemistry with Susie.
>>741497161>does what Gerson said on a whole another level
I find Gerson much much more difficult than the Roaring Knight
>>741488645negro train to blacksville reference
>>741492408Noelle has a certain amount of evil in her that she desperately wants to unleash and I'm intrigued how far we can go together. it's a dark partnership
>>741497112Average autists are into shipping when they're like 12. Chapter 1 came out when I was almost 18.
I just hope it's fun and feeds my own personal wants
>>741497270>Average autists are into shipping when they're like 12anon...most people who ship these characters are probably older than your dad
>>741497381Keyword in my previous post "first time"
>>741497112>>741497270>implying these threads aren’t all underageb&s and a few crusty zillenials
>>741493387>>741493527>anti-dess knight schizos Retards
>every other dark world theme makes sense because of the location it's fountain was opened in>chapter 5 is japanese themed because ???
>>741497485it's gonna be a japanese type festival clearly, with heckin yukatas and catching fish with those paper spoons
>>741497443based on trends online (youtube videos, twitch streams, twitter posts etc.) most deltarune fans are over 30 at the very leasti've only seen a couple ~25 year old zoomers interact with this game
>>741497243was the same for me Using absorbaxe and not bothering ever using rude buster made it way easier for me though
>>741497556japanese festival in small town in fantasy massachussets
>>741497485imprinted weebness from carol or alphys making the fountain
>>741496770Bad boy? Susie is a total DORK during that segment!
>>741497485we will be entering Alphys' comics
>>741497606yes
>>741497228The depth is that Noelle and Susie start off with basic, preconceived ideas of what the other person is like (Noelle seeing Susie as “scary” and Susie seeing Noelle as “top shelf). And not only is Noelle interested in getting to know Susie (iirc she asks Kris at the end of ch1 what she’s like), but they do get to actually know each other in ch2 and ch4, (Susie learning about Noelle’s interest in horror and video games and AVGN and Noelle learning about Susie’s soft side), they still like each other. It’s not a completely one sided affair even if you interpret it as only platonically on Susie’s side of things.
>>741497243put the mantle on susie if you're not already
>>741496912Don't care, Kris is extremely hot regardless
4 days until we know what the fuck he meant by this
>>741495493please. please. ive been wanting to fight Kris for years
>regular pacifist route>and a weird route>and a dead arm berdly route>and a aborted weird route with thorn ringAlready done the first two but jesus that's a lot of going through the whole of chapters 3 and 4 over and over.
>>741497719He already told you, it's about confidence.
>>741497719He's becoming less and less comprehensible as the bearding approaches.
>>741497171>waitingoh hey there is a superior candidate for that lol
>>741497670>the depth is that they....know each other?You call that depth? Susie going from being envious of Kris to thinking Kris is cool is depth. Susie being the one to drag Ralsei out of his self-loathing and driving him to become more of his own person is depth. Kris and Noelle having a shared history that both miss is depth."Character A gets to know Character B" is not fucking depth, it's the bare fucking minimum for a relationship.
>>741497672For fighting Gerson?
>>741497673I respect the spirit lol, just gotta warn people if they don't know.
>>741497625Susie acts like the stand-in generic delinquent love interest who acts nice to the shy sheltered rich girl and tells her evil oveprotective parent to fuck off because they're dating their daughter now.
>>741496494save 1 total good soul, all eggs, recruits, and crystalsSave 2 weird route still a good boy, all recruits minus cyber city ones, all eggs, all crystals. torment Kris to the max and head cannoning that they're confused and seething that I'm being nice to everyone but them
>>741497854yeah, one of his attacks is star-element so the mantle works on it
>>741497252*underground railroad to negrotown
>>741496734The reason why i don't think we could remove the thorn is because of the two animations, this shit not only looks like her hymen, but that the thorn is important for her to haveMaybe it's just simple and we could remove it, but also who knows, maybe we will see the the flower that makes thorns
>>741497474The sheer seethe concentrated in this image remains impressive.No, it is not a weird premise that someone could be back from the dead enough to act as a character in the story, but not to satisfy the people who care for them. Undertale has a directly comparable character core to the plot.
>>741496734We're not getting that thorn out of her finger unless we find tweezers somewhere. We jammed it in there good.
>>741497719Jockington didn’t actually grow a beardIts an event at the festival where something happens and his face ends up with a fake beard or something gets stuck on his face that looks like a beard.It still fulfills the prophecy and its a hint that the prophecy can be fulfilled by something fake or a replacement (like replacing the the second hero Noelle with Susie, or Kris with the Vessel)
>>741497826How does not that prove that Noelle’s affection for Susie is more than a basic crush on the new girl? She finds out that she is more than an “bad girl” and yet still she loves her. She loves her even past that tough scary persona.
>>741497738It WILL happen and it WILL have Megalo Strike Back and it WILL be like a regular RPG and we WILL love it.
>>741498234It's shalow because the moment those two interact they become caricatures of themselves. They have the bare fucking minimum of interaction and suddenly that means it's TRUE WUV.It's ridiculous. I don't know how anybody can look at the scenes between Kris and Susie, or Kris and Noelle, or Ralsei and Susie, and even compare it to the joke that "relationship" is.
Kris is japanese theory>yellow>short malnourished asian genes>ugly ass haircut pretending to be an edgy anime protag>also hides their single line eyes like those racist cartoons>pretends to hate anime but is mega chuuni because Kris is actually the biggest otaku in town and thinks everyone else is a dumb ass poser especially Alphys>speaks mumbling and low so people can't tell Kris has an accent Kris is a japanese (human) person adopted by a Monstermerican family after the great atomic bombing that decimated humankind.
>>741498302who's to say the vessel won't rebel too?
>>741498472Our beautiful creation wouldn't rebel against us.
>>741498115nta but do you believe Carol is in cahoots with this form of Dess?Because Flowey is totally unknown as an element to the Dreemurs in Undertale
>>741498424>kris irl
>>741498658deltaruined
>>741498368>It's ridiculous. I don't know how anybody can look at the scenes between Kris and Susie, or Kris and Noelle, or Ralsei and Susie, and even compare it to the joke that "relationship" is.Noelle is deeply rooted in nostalgia as a character, stuck in a sort of stasis. Susie, by entering Deltarune's story, basically throws all of this on its head. Susie in particular reshapes the status quo around her. she is a "disruption" in Hometown and it's why so many other townspeople are so wary of her but Noelle isn't and is instead enamored by this disruption. Take the guitar scene in particular. If Noelle was concerned with the same stasis that Carol is, she would have told Susie to leave the guitar alone. Leave Dess's room untouched and exactly as Carol has left it. But instead, Noelle wants to hear the guitar played. she doesn't want it to sit around collecting dust. she wants to hear it make music again, just like it used to but it doesn't have to be the same hand, the same sound. it can be Susie, who doesn't know but is willing to let music exist in Noelle's life again.
>>741494810it's that much of a ripoff? the deltarune OST is really ticking me off towards SoE.
>>741498115Why do we need to find her.ogg then?
>>741498234I really do think that Suselle's whole thing is about peeling away past pre-conceptions and expectations to be 100% honest with one another. Every other ship has a layer of baggage or dishonesty that Susie and Noelle don't really have with each other, so there's a unique position where these two are the safest confidants to one another, where peeling the band-aid off wouldn't be so bad in comparison to what Kris and Ralsei have been hiding. It's the least messy relationship in the game, and in a game that's practically built off of those it's kind of a dunk in cold water.
>>741498472I actually don't think the Vessel will be a blank slate just because we pick what's its mind is going to be and it spent a long time without us.
>>741498740>it's that much of a ripoff? yes
>>741498782Like, imagine a scene where Susie tells Noelle all of that Dark World shit was real. I don't think she'd react as badly to that information as Susie would to the Roaring Conspiracy
I really, REALLY wish Noelle had actually heard Kris playing the piano. Like, it was RIGHT THERE
>>741498729See, this is what you keep doing, you keep making the most basic assertions ever and calling it depth, like Susie doesn't "disrupt" every other fucking character. I could make a big fucking paragraph about how Susie disrupts Ralsei's wish to remain as a non-person, or how Kris is deeply rooted with Noelle's past.But with Noelle, OOOOoooOooOoh it's SPESHUL and CUTE and VALID because muh hecking butch and femme
>>741498803>using twisted sword (trance down) on vessel>it takes controltoby wouldn't do this, but it would be glorious.
>>741498115You call it seethe because you can't counter it. The knight is clearly in on a plan with Kris and Carol, is smart enough to communicate with them to such an effective degree that they are able to coordinate numerous precise maneuvers without getting caught (opening fountains in public locations), and the people in this plan are bound by a promise that would NOT exist without some sort of deep personal connection. There is no way under the premise of the plan that Carol and Kris wouldn't know who the knight is and if Dess is the knight, their search for Dess is over. They could very easily reintegrate her into society. Hometown has no reason to be against this considering the type of weird monsters are welcomed there with open arms already.
>>741498781There's still a lot more of her to find, being able to swing a sword around and vaguely remember who you're supposed to listen to is a far cry from being wholly yourself.>>741498648I believe so, yes. I think she's operating on a flawed assumption that the Knight represents a majority of Dess and not the last little bit of her that's still above the "surface" so to speak.
>>741498890>OOOOoooOooOoh it's SPESHUL and CUTE and VALIDit's the only lightner ship not entrenched with baggage and deception, yeah
My perfect vessels...
>>741493387>>741493527Screenshotting these comments to repost them once you get BTFO'd you retarded DessKniggers. Then again, you all are cowards and will deny ever believing into the theory once it's deconfirmed.
>>741499035I'd call "projecting your dead/missing sister" to be baggage but then again I don't have yuri goggles that make me ignore every flaw in a dogshit pairing
The Knight is a Tulpa or a Doppleganger.
>>741499018>I think she's operating on a flawed assumption that the Knight represents a majority of DessThen who else knows in your conception of the story?That image is specifically pointing out how odd it would be to keep that "majority Dess" away from Noelle and Rudy
>>741498957>There is no way under the premise of the plan that Carol and Kris wouldn't know who the knight is and if Dess is the knight, their search for Dess is over.Wrong. The Knight is only a fragment of Dess. The majority of her still needs to be found. The conspiracy's hubris is assuming that working with this one fragment of Dess will put her back together.
>>741499035There is, though. >susie hiding the way Noelle can heal her dad because "uhhh you'd freak out" >Noelle hiding her relationship with KrisNot alot, but some>Susie being a whole ass Dess stand in, probably
>>741499107As opposed to "we're only friends because you don't know I'm lying to you"?
>>741499093I am going to Dess
>>741488645>How it feels to know this will be a filler episode with zero revelations, zero answers, and it will end on a cliffhanger that won't be resolved for years
>>741498890As one anon stated, there is a level of honesty that isn’t present in those other ships. Kris and Ralsei are both hiding something from everyone else including eachother.>>741499107It is not only “Noelle projecting dess onto Susie” It’s her learning that she does not have to live in the past. She enjoys Susie as a person and not just a stand in for her missing sister.
>>741498729>stuck Ahh you mean how Noelle choose to pay more attention to Kris while Susie was in her house tooNot that anon btw, i geniunely fucking hate you fags how you completely dismiss other pairings
>>741499141>Wrong. *headcanon*. *headcanon*. *headcanon*.Lol, lmfao. At least CarolKniggers can link their theory to actual evidence, DessKniggers are just coping and making up stuff to fit their narrative.
>>741499132>That image is specifically pointing out how odd it would be to keep that "majority Dess" away from Noelle and RudyIn what way? Carol doesn't seem to trust Noelle or Rudy any further than she can throw them. (Which she probably could get a bit of distance on, but you know what I mean.)She knows that the Knight being Dess is a hard sell, doesn't want to go to the trouble of proving it when she thinks she's close to having something that's obviously Dess to show them, and is working with the one other person who she trusts to believe her. Likely because Kris is the one who saw what happened to Dess.
>>741499204Impossible, unless they completely skip the hyped Ferris wheel ride. Whoever get inside will be confirmed as the end game, which is a big thing as shipping is a huge part of the theory crafters and fandom
>>741495969Chapter 2 truly had the best faps.
>>741499308Oh yeah because>you can alter your physical body in a dark world by wearing different clothesOr>the ice, antlers, and bat-sword are all red herrings, it isn't a HolidayIs such a grounded, evidence-driven direction for theories to take.
>>741499308How about titan knight?
>>741495969D
>>741499236Which only happens in the Weird Route because Kris was acting wildly out of character due to (You). To the point where Noelle tried to mentally block out the events of Cyber World. Consider how (You) have to force your hand to make Kriselle happen, as opposed to Noelle and Susie getting closer of their own volition.
>>741499225>>741499198Yes anon, the Knight specifically told kris to pour juice on Susie's mouth.>>741499225>As one anon stated, there is a level of honesty that isn’t present in those other shipsIs that supposed to be a bad thing? Kris, for all his scheming, is already split between the plan and susie. Is that supposed to be an argument against it? The fact that Kris is genuinely bonding with Susie despite knowing whatever the hell plan the knight has in store just makes their relationship more genuine.>It is not only “Noelle projecting dess onto Susie” She was LITERALLY PLAYING HER DEAD SISTER'S GUITAR.
>>741498930I never thought of the twisted sword being used on the Vessel, that's cool. I don't see the point unless the Vessel is a killing machine since that sword is weird route exclusive.
>>741499120obviously
>>741499318Rudy supports their conspiracy. He literally says so in the church in chapter 4
>>741499593Oh so Rudy knows about the plan and dark worlds and everything?No?It sounded like all he knows is that Kris is doing something with Carol. That would be weird for him to be unaware of. He doesn't know what it is and almost certainly wouldn't approve even if they explained the whole plan to him. That's a big part of this, both Kris and Carol know how obviously bad the plan looks, that's why they're acting like this about it.
>>741499415>the iceDess knighters can't even agree on her using ice or fire. Even if she did use fire, that also points out to Rudy.>antlersI personally believe that it's a Holiday, but that means nothing. It's already confirmed that it's an helmet.>bat-swordLmao, are we still coping with "le bat sword"? Even in the frame where the sword ever remotely looks like a bat, it has a pointy top, which last time I checked baseball bats didn't have.Every piece of "evidence" for Dess can be easily debunked or be associated to one or more characters.
>>741499492It’s so much more than that>>741498729>If Noelle was concerned with the same stasis that Carol is, she would have told Susie to leave the guitar alone. Leave Dess's room untouched and exactly as Carol has left it. But instead, Noelle wants to hear the guitar played. she doesn't want it to sit around collecting dust. she wants to hear it make music again, just like it used to but it doesn't have to be the same hand, the same sound. it can be Susie, who doesn't know but is willing to let music exist in Noelle's life again.
>>741499492Yeah, and the Knight told Kris to keep the promise. To keep following the plan. When Susie was right there by the window. The same Kris that's so fucking scared of Susie finding out that any attempts to tipping her off are thwarted immediately
>>741499763They were talking about Asgore. And he said that they (him and Kris) should support his conspiracy because Toriel won't. Asgore and Carol are intertwined in the same pursuit.
>>741499120the knight is kris's stand. kris is a stand user. his stand awakened to protect him from dess trying to abuse him years ago, which caused her disappearance. kris is a joestar. the save point stars are representations of his joestar birth mark
>>741499458Then Noelle wouldn't say that she recognized Kris real voice after a long time, what you pretty much did is by proxy force Kris to talk her which made her interested in him again, it's not as different with Susie because Kris is the one waiting to prevent kriselle to happen for some reason
>>741499782>delusional fanfictionIt's her own sister's guitar. In a town with a faith that people should be buried with their most prized possessions, of which Dess's guitar clearly is given it's her one symbol throughout the game.>>741499801Alright, so one one hand, we got Kris and their whole situation with something that's been haunting them for literally most of their entire life. On the other hand, girl that Kris first interacted with like, 3 days ago. The girl has made such a mark that Kris is genuinely considering going with her until reminded of the promiose.
>>741499498>weird route exclusive
>"Lol, Carol is such an obvious red herring, she has a katana, works with Kris and refers to the soul.">Applies the same logic to Dess>"NOOOOO!!!!!! NOT LIKE THAT!!!"
Show me your car ralsei
>>741499774>ice and fire are both just holiday things>antlers are just a holiday thingYeah that was my point, many anti-Dess Knighters are going full contrarian and guessing shit like Asriel.>it has a pointy top, which last time I checked baseball bats didn't have.In that frame, it was straight and had a rounded bulge in the middle of its length, with no crossguard of any kind but instead a flat spot on the end of the pommel, which doesn't resemble any real swords but does strongly resemble a bat. Then it morphs into a more standard looking curved sword, still lacking a crossguard.
>>741498472no chance. if you're pacifist the vessel has no reason to rebel and if you're on the weird route is should know better assuming it's been watching us the whole time with whoever has it
Noelle Holiday owes me sex and marriage
>>741500168>the ThornRing is totally gonna fall from a Chapter 5 darkworld rose on Normal route, dude
>>741500189>had a rounded bulge in the middle of its length, with no crossguard of any kind but instead a flat spot on the end of the pommelDon't make me tap the sign.
>>741500134Is Noelle wrong to do that? How is it wrong to let Susie play the guitar for her? It’s not just “projecting” it’s Carol who is wrong for being stuck in the past like that.
>>741494234Ch2 schizotheories were godly, and nothing since has come close. There's less mystery now, less options. Too much got explained and it's too straightforward for any mindblowing ultra schizo stuff to seem plausible now.
>>741488645cant wait for the nortubel crossover
>>741500416>it's just a front view and the sword is super super super thick>look at how a black and white bat would be sprited! (Actual literal headcanon)Admirably stupid counter-theory. You can overlay the diagram of the example bat with the diagram of the "front view" and see they're nearly 1:1 except the tip, and the tip has weirdness with the outline extending further than the color fill which doesn't happen often.
>>741500189The bat argument is retarded, Kris doesn't fight with a pencil, and Susie doesn't fight with an hairbrush. Not to mention that their weapons never resemble said items.Why would Dess be an exception? Why would her real world weapon be the same in the Dark World?Can you answer this question without pulling out fanfiction and only using officially confirmed stuff as your argument?
Carol is a bad choice for the knight because she's already been portrayed as an antagonist, so the reveal that she's...still an antagonist is a narratively weak development
>>741500656It doesn't work because none of the hints even work for herThe only thing they have in common are Holiday and dubiously opposed to the fun gang. They don't even act similar
I feel like none of you are asking the right questions. Why the fuck was the Knight absorbing nightmares from Toriel?
>>741500457You can argue that Carol is wrong to be stuck in the past, if it doesn't turn out that there is a chance of dess coming back anyway.BUT, that doesn't mean it any less projection. Noelle likes Susie because she reminds her of Dess. She is making susie play her sister's guitar. How the hell is that not projection? I'm sure you'll say "wehhh but she likes her for other reasons", but there is no denial that making the girl you got a crush on because she reminded you of your dead sister play said dead sister's guitar is projection.No amount of cope will change the fact that Suselle is absolute fucking dogshit compared to the other pairings of the main characters.
>>741500719I mean that and her giant Katana is constantly referenced.
>>741500586this shit won't ever be funny nor damning no matter how much you keep up this bit
>>741497171Excited to see how their relationship progresses further into the game when The Roaring happens and Noelle possibly finds out about The Knight. Also, I'm very interested in finding out what happens between them on the Weird Route, considering they spend way less time together.
>>741500134All of that just for Kris to be unable to be honest with Susie, to KEEP manipulating her to keep her off the trail and the plan on track. Sandbagging against the opponent responsible for turning the Dark World into a nightmare and hurting both "fake" and REAL people. It's all going to crash and burn like the Twin Towers and the name of the person responsible rhymes with Miss. And the longer the charade goes the WORSE its going to get. Kris does not have the balls to have a single true relationship with ANYONE.
>>741500656And yet everyone is convinced it was her voice on the phone and she's working with kris so that still means a reveal that she's.... still an antagonist.
>>741500756Mmmhh, I though "it" was straight up trying to abduct her.
>>741500314>he doesn't know>he lacks the critical information
>>741500618I simply showed you a custom sprite because you keep coping to justify the pointy top, which again, no baseball bat looks like that.If you don't want to consider it I'm fine with only looking at the official sprite, which was made thick simply to not look like shit. Imagine if it was a single vertical line of pixels. Sure, it would be realistic, but it would look awful. It's basic pixel art 101.
>>741500804Ok, fair, you got me there. But it doesn’t change how their relationship reflects the themes of the story just as much as the other ships.
>>741500623>Not to mention that their weapons never resemble said items.What the fuck are you talking about? They do! Susie gets the weapons that are handles with large rounded blades on the end because she carries items that are handles with a large rounded surface on the end. Kris gets weapons that are shorter and mostly blade, pens and pencils are smaller and mostly continue the profile of their "handle" in comparison to hairbrushes.
>>741500457Shipping shit aside, couldn't they just have used another instrument, i know it's impossible because only the guitar was there, but it's just weird, i mean in the same chapter we have the Gerson hammer and both Kris and Susie acting shocked, so far the guitar was used for shipping shit in normal route istead of something more serious
>>741500929>le vaguepost funi deflection Xdzzzzzzzzzz
>>741500818Thr sword isn't even a katana though
>>741500939>you keep coping to justify the pointy topIt's the only thing in any of the Knight's sprites with an outline that extends more than one or two pixels from a black area. It deserves additional scrutiny for this, especially since that portion of the outline is carrying the whole argument that the sword doesn't resemble a bat.>If you don't want to consider it I'm fine with only looking at the official sprite, which was made thick simply to not look like shit.Or because it wasn't meant to be a front profile. Much simpler to assume that.
>>741500846>All of that just for Kris to be unable to be honest with Susie, to KEEP manipulating her to keep her off the trail and the plan on track.We do not know what the plan is, all we know is that this is something that's been stuck with Kris for decades and is the source of basically all the bad things in his life. That he's able to develop such chemistry with susie in just three days is nothing short of amazing.
>>741500756In ch3 Tenna was saying something about how it's important for Toriel to not be woken up. If her being awake is actually meaningful beyond just being inconvenient for Tenna, perhaps the Knight was attempting some kind transport that would keep her asleep.
>>741495350yeah i don't get why people think the 'romance' between them is good, is it just because they're gay animals?>Noelle constantly blushes and stutters around Susie>Susie does (anything)>Noelle cums her pants>Susie is oblivious to everything in typical protagonist fashionIt's incredibly generic and superficial, exactly the type of shitty 'romance' writing you'd find in shounen animeI'm still holding out on Toby doing this intentionally for a later subversion because I'd like to believe he isn't a hack.
>>741500961The black knife is probably the same in light world since the black shard still remains as a nearly the same item
>>741499392Agreedhttps://files.catbox.moe/4lwem2.jpeg
>>741501123>Noelle cums her pantsI'd like to see that never mind Suselle is good
>>741500961Are you being dense on purpose or genuinely think that their concept being similar = resembling the actual items?Susie's axe always looks like an axe, it doesn't look like an hairbrush at any point. Same for Kris, it's always a sword and never a pencil.The knight's weapon supposedly is a 1:1 replica of a bat, which makes no sense. Were it a club, I could already see the theory making somewhat sense, but it's immediately revealed to be a sword, shooting down the theory.
>>741501123Considering how he's building up a normal besties relationship with Kris/Susie simultaneously and also a toxic one with Kris/Noelle I would like to believe he knows what he's doing and it's a trap for retards.
>>741500168The twisted route is a meme but MAYBE we can get it in the normal route.
>>741497474this image btfo'd dessknightfags beyond belief btw
>>741501123>>741501191be careful of what you wish for
>>741501123>It's incredibly generic and superficial, exactly the type of shitty 'romance' writing you'd find in shounen animeBest part is that had it been a straight ship it would've been called "hetslop" from CH2. Although I guess that this one gets a pass because it's easy to excite a yuritard's brain as long as there are lesbians.
>>741500756>>741501097Unless the Toriel boss monster soul still applies and the Knight was scared of her, the Knight could just have done what it did with Undyne, unless the Knight was just baiting and Undyne was the objective all alongThat beam is so retarded that only leaves more questions
>>741501281>filenamedo you think it really tastes like that
>>741500189>>741499774>>741499415>>741499308>>741499141>>741498957>>741500623>>741501225notice that dess knighters can never refute on why dess knight would be retarded, they can only try (and fail) to discredit the proof for others without trying to make it support their own theoryno other knightfag does this, dess knight just has THAT little evidence
>>741501345Toriel is too fucking fat to drag to the shelter, clearlyUndyne meanwhile is slim and aerodynamic
>>741501354She's a monster, it has to be peculiar to some extent
>>741501143>the space invader messing with her navel>queen begging all this to stop in chatuoooh may she never recover
>>741501225>The knight's weapon supposedly is a 1:1 replica of a bat, which makes no sense.No. Just like hairbrushes resemble the profile of axes and pencils resemble the profile of swords, the Knight's sword is supposed to resemble the profile of a bat. Why else would the tip be blunted in the first frame of it we ever see? For fun?
Dess Knight arguments all come down to the baseball bat. Dess regularly flying around town is utter nonsense, but it doesn't matter because baseball bat.
>>741501097It's really hard not to imagine the line about it being important that toriel doesn't wake up and the thing about her experiencing a nightmare if you beat the knight are connected.Could the knight be connected to sleep and dreams? A nightmare knight?
>>741501361I did refute the argument that it'd be retarded, you just refuse to admit that I did.
>>741501521>Dess regularly flying around town is utter nonsenseNever heard of that particular Dess Knight theory.
>>741501095only because, like Noelle, Susie is able to start fresh with them. Susie lacks the critical information to have any past (read: December) baggage and yet Kris keeps sabotaging the relationship with deceit. Noelle NEVER hurts Susie the way Kris does to EVERYONE.
>>741501521Dess probably doesn't exist in the light world at allAnd if she does, she's a half dead zombie thing
AAAAAAAAAAAAA CHARA POSSESSED KRIS AND IS GOING TO KILL EVERYONEwhat could be the ch5 equivalent
>>741501457The tip isn't blunt though?
>>741497112Lies.I’ll be only 39 next month.
>>741501598Sounds to me like Kris has an actual deep relationship with Susie instead of some surface-level nothingness.
>>741501651The roaring is clearly about to happen, that's the cliffhanger this time.
>"It's a baseball bat!">"It's a sword!"ahem
>>741501583>>741501646Undyne, retards. DessKnight requires her to be flying around town. She's not a zombie. She's in full control of her actions, and at most is just scary looking. That's a nonissue in a world filled with monsters.
>>741501521For fucking real lmao.Ask a DessKnigger how she transported Undyne to the shelter and you're gonna hear one of the following:>Insane cope>Fanfiction>Seethe about a different knighter theory for some reasonRemember that according to them Dess is corrupted or some shit, which already contradicts many other scenarios they try to make to justify their theories.
I hope that the twisted route doesn't exist solely so that I don't have to do this boss fight again
>>741495836Yeah that was the first thing that jumped out at me.Toby was right comparing toriel worshippers to vriska fans
>>741501670Huh? The outline is pointy, the black shape within isn't. This is the only case in the Knight's whole sprite sheet where the outline disagrees like that with the shape it's outlining, so I took it to be calling attention to the black shape and the way it's different from the outline. What did you take it as?
>>741501748doobie
>>741501651Asriel will be back, but offscreen the whole time. They will allude to flowey in the shop, and some vagueposting about him by Seam will probably result in schizotheories
>>741494378
>>741501143God I wish I were those tonguesOr her, that is fine too
>>741501759No it doesn't. She could easily have an accomplice and Undyne is swooned off camera. The knight one hits every member of the fun gang, a confused Undyne is not going to be much of a challenge in the dark world.This is true of EVERY Knight candidateThey are strong only in the dark worlds
>>741494378The dragon and the angel.
>>741501759>DessKnight requires her to be flying around town.No. She can just be running.>but she left the dark world flying!A low glide at best. Also Kris and company always enter and exit dark worlds with a jump/ascent.>she's in full control of her actionsWeird thing to emphasize, but let me guess, you think that means there's enough of her that "finding her" couldn't possibly mean anything? Wrong, faggot!
>>741500756>absorbing nightmares from Toriel?Literally how the fuck do you retards come up with this shit? The Knight uses a tractor beam to pick up Toriel and bring her towards him before Susie slashes at him. That's literally it. How do you even come to the conclusion that the Knight is ""absorbing nightmares"" from Toriel?
>>741501946>fail to beat knighttoriel sleeping peacefully>beat knighttoriel having nightmaresKnight grabs undyne and carries her off normally instead of using a tractor beam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzHLUaE37Ik
>>741502097Somehow this was exactly what I expected.
>>741494234people ignoring clues and obvious shit like kris being sketchy. the big missed thing is gonna be the mike room cause nobody takes it seriously
>>741501843>Asriel will be back, but offscreen the whole time.10000000000000% this, Toby is a cunt
>>741501710sounds to me that you forget it goes both ways >>741498782The game's setting up Noelle to be Susie's only confidant when shit goes critical.
>>741493670>and SUSIE CALLING CATTY A DEGENERATEwait, they removed that?why?
What fascinates me about Dess Knighters is that their theory is vibes only. Some of them (like 5%) are humble enough to admit this little fact, yet the rest are so hellbent on trying to gaslight themselves and others that their theory is actually the one with the most evidence despite having nothing substantial going for it. All their proofs are desperate attempts to validate their theory, like her having ice skates and the knight supposedly posing like a skater in the fight, the knight being left handed (he changes hand based on the attack, no not even true, and even if it was, Dess isn't the only candidate to be left handed) etc.What makes it so funny is that they always try to shoot down other theories, the idea of someone not believing in DessKnight is simply hysterical to them, they will paint you as a sub-70 IQ retard if you disagree with them.A bunch of theorists simply driven by ego and pride since being right about the identity of a character in a videogame would be the highest high of their lives.
>>741501651Nothing. The only reason that cliffhanger worked is because we barely knew anything about Deltarune. A red herring like that is impossible nowadays.
>>741502253He is not, it’s just they couldn’t reach agreement with Asriel’s voice actor from UT.
Reminder that Susie fell for Noelle first.
>>741502257I mean, she lied about the dark worlds, but like, whatever man, sure, Noelle is definitely the trustworthy pillar of confidence here.
>>741502069Whether you beat the knight or not, the exact same scene happens where downed Susie grabs the knights leg and stops him from abducting Toriel. The Knight's interaction with Toriel does not change one bit whether you beat him or not. Play the game you dumb secondary
"Hey guys, it turns Dess was never lost. Turns out she was hiding in random closets all across town, just slightly offscreen the entire time. Who knew!"(Dess knighters actually believe this)
>>741502286doesn't flow as well as "furry freak"
The dragon and the angel. Doomed to fight each other by fate, but will defy it with the power of love. It's beautiful, Toby...
>>741502243It's a shame so many aren't taking the Mike room seriously. There's actually some potentially important bits of lore in there.
>>741502323Why would that be relevant? Asriel is an adult now with an adult voice, get another voice.
>>741502352She never fell for her in the first place. She is as much in love with her as with Ralsei, maybe even less.
>>741502289>Dess Knighters are vibes onlyAre you a Gaster denier too?
>>741502289Meanwhile I'm just>The knight looking like, amorphous and glitches like a titan/titan spawn>The titian spawn has a line about their voice sputtering like broken glass>The Black shard and shadow crystal related to glass>The fallen star>The Knight is probably a titan/titan spawn given a will
Where are my fellow vessel-knighters at?
>>741502286degenerate is chud lingo
>>741502286I think because it's too big a word for her.
>>741502378DessKnighters and RudyKnighters will always fight and use arguments that would apply to Noelle to justify their Rudy and Dess theories.
>>741502478I'm strictly in the Ruby Knight camp but even vessel Knight makes more sense than Dess Knight.
>>741494234It seems funny now but everyone thought Kris was the Knight
>>741502378>Dess was right here the whole time how could she be "lost"?>In a game where enemies become "lost" when they decide not to trust you anymorelmao
Carol wasn't the voice in the phone and is not working with the Knight. This is the true red herring people took as truth and sustained too many theories on
>>741502460No, but I do openly admit that it's vibes only.Just because he was mentioned in Undertale and never expanded upon. Some lines like "MY DELTA RUNE" also tie to this, but as far as evidence goes, there is absolutely nothing (0).
>>741502289We will be vindicated brother
>>741502429To be honest, I think I'd be happy with any ship involving the main characters, so I have no particular horse in any race I'm supporting. I just think that, canonically, Suselle is happening and their are clear signs of interest in both parties. I'd be just as happy with Krusie, Ralsusie, fucking Berdsie. I never got why people are so invested in one particular ship beyond all others. Multishipping is the way to go. Honestly, I'm more of Krusielle shipper than anything, if I had to pick.
>>741502596>find_her.ogglmao
>>741501361dessknighters continually refute other knight candidates and offer reasons why they can't be the knight. anti-dessknighters move the goal post.
Let's be honest, the Knight isn't the Knight anyways, it's the Prince from the DarkKris IS in fact the KnightHell, he got knighted for winning against the so-called Knight
>>741502360"the fantasy world happened" is a much easier pill to swallow than "I'm trying to destroy the world and you have to take the fall"
DESS IS BA
>>741502617>Gaster is vibes only tooOk, so Dess Knight is as good as confirmed, got it.>but I said it was vibes only!If something as obvious as the presence of GASTER is "vibes only" then you're just using it as code for "something everyone with a fucking brain knows".
>>741502550DessKnighters and RudyKnighters should partially enter a truce so that they can laugh at the retards believing in NoelleKnight unironically.
In another timeline we're arguing that the evil flower totally isn't Asriel
>>741501879>This is true of EVERY Knight candidate>They are strong only in the dark worldsadult Asriel could EASILY kick Undyne's ass
Kris is still the knight
>>741501598>EVERYONEWhy are you so fucking dishonest>Kris failed to protect herStill applies because (you) forced your hand, not to mention the melty he has in the bathroom, Kris is obviously doing this soul shit out of neccesity
>>741502289The modern Kris Knighters...
>>741502617>but as far as evidence goes, there is absolutely nothing (0).???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEdoMoV4D6khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0dgaYe2LZwYou are literally braindead if you don't admit this is the exact same melody
>>741502667Turns out they could have easily found her if they checked some closets. How tragic!
>>741502429same girl that calls Noelle "top-shelf" and goes out of her way to not be mean to her btw
>>741502668dessknighters have zero refutation to Rudy knight.
Kris's original soul is the knight
>>741502617Gaster isn't vibes, the game mentions the royal scientist all over the fucking place, the fun events, the way the game refuses to let you use his name, etc.
>Knight has a bat>Dess and Kris are childhood friends>Knight is working with Kris>Darkeners you attack become Lost (like Dess!)>Dess's existence has been constantly alluded to, but barely acknowledged directly>Open Deltarune thread>"The Knight is Grillby, he's mad sans stole his store"Is this just what happens when a fandom has to subsist on scraps for too long?
>>741502668Not RudyKnighters at least. I've been arguing for it and I feel like a conservative on a college campus I think DessKnight is true if only because the bat is too obvious to be subverted, but Rudy fits everything else and fills in more holes than Dess does
>>741502815Dess and kris aren't childhood friends, if anything kris fucking hates her. If you wanna talk abiut ignored evidence talk about the knight laugh in the mike room.
>>741502815Thankfully in three days we'll forget about all those nonsensical contrarian theories
>>741502693I'm a baI like to cum
>>741502692Somehow, I don't think Kris's plan is just "I want to destroy the world"
>>741502747Kris fucking ghosted Noelle for years after her sister died when she needed a shoulder to cry on the most, the fuck do you mean "dishonest"?
>>741502843>Rudy fits everything else and fills in more holes than Dess doesthat's true, he does fill Asgore's hole regularly
Sometimes the easiest solution is the correct one.
>>741502815>Is this just what happens when a fandom has to subsist on scraps for too long?I don't know if it's just confirmation bias or not but I feel like FNAF completely decimated the way that people approach stories now
>>741502815Bats dont have pointed tips or are made out of black opaque glass
>>741502903>Dess and kris aren't childhood friends, if anything kris fucking hates her.Jaru...
>>741502667Look at this through the lens that "lost" means "beyond your emotional reach" and not literally non-present, and you'll see where Dess Knight leads.
>>741502768She thinks she's too fancy to be her friend, like trying to be friends with the class president in anime
>>741502704Noelle is a meme. Dess and Rudy are the only competing theories.
>>741502815it’s infinitely more interesting to argue over schizotheories and shitposts than watch cumbrains argue over what flavor of furry porn is superior (its HMoFA)
>>741502697>If something as obvious as the presence of GASTER is "vibes only" then you're just using it as code for "something everyone with a fucking brain knows".Ok then mr. boy genius, please tell us how the voice in the game is 100% Gaster.>>741502813Yet he's never a relevant character in the story of Undertale and is only mentioned if your poop and fart meter is exactly at a specific digit.To this day people are 100% sure that Gaster looks like picrel, despite him never being confirmed to look like this. This is what happens when a voice keeps getting repeated in an echo chamber, you forget what's actually real.
>>741502989Good thing the knight's sword is only something made of a bat plus some weird darkness fuckery, and not simply itself a bat.
>>741502815> too longNo.
>>741502965CarolKnight is just bad for the story. Feels lame and undermines the Knight's presence while not changing anything about Carol's character.I'm against it because it's just a bad choice
>>741503087Friend inside me.
The good Dess is in the lodge and she can't leave.
>>741502946Then Kris wouldn't even bother to go to her house and comfort her if he didn't care for her anymoreWhile we don't have enough information yet, this Ralsei dialogue seems to imply that Kris the ghosting was neccesary too
>>741503082>knight's sword is only something made of a batWhat the fuck are you trying to convey?
>>741501651>CHARA POSSESSED KRIS Did people really think that? I mean plenty reckoned Kris was about to go on a murder spree but probably because they thought Kris WAS Chara given the green shirt.Did people at least figure out that the heart/soul was actually us and Kris pulling us out was his way of taking back control from us?
>>741503172>a bad choice to make alone what did he mean by this
>>741502815>Dess is Missing and Lost girl>actually she hang out with Carol and Kris and communicate with them on cellphone>Noelle is obsessed in looking for her but never was able to walk in on Carol or Kris comunicating with them or learn anything about her existenceYeah sure, Dess is totally just larping as the knight...
>>741502843Rudyknighters are bros.
>>741503082It's clearly made of some kind of glass-like substance, however. Have you forgotten? The black shard we take off the sword is still a black shard in the light world.
>>741503069>Ok then mr. boy genius, please tell us how the voice in the game is 100% Gaster.Because it appears when a rendition of "GASTER'S THEME" is playing
>>741503082>BAT BAT BAT BAT BAT BATFucking lmfao. DessKniggers actually have nothing going for them. Everything else can easily be disproven and debunked, so they just screech about MUH BAT 24/7.
>>741503069>Ok then mr. boy genius, please tell us how the voice in the game is 100% Gaster.Exact same writing style. Typer code 666. "Photon readings negative" -> game with "darkness" as a core narrative idea. Aware of the nature of Souls. Exists outside of the game's story but still clearly affects the game, matching the description of Gaster in Undertale.The only other possibility is a new character made to look like Gaster on purpose for no reason but to fuck with the fans.
>>741503208You can't blame anyone for at least considering that when that was obviously meant as a nod to the post-genocide endings
>>741503208Oh, some people absolutely did. I still remember that two soul theory nonsense.
>>741503062Interesting, it seems Noellebros will have the main laugh at majority of the fandom.
>>741502978no you're right, people want some ebin twist and not what would actually be narratively coherent, so they want nonsense twists that would actually throw out everything the story has actually been building up to
>>741503208SOME people thought Chara was possessing Kris, but a lot of people thought it was what you said, that Kris was Chara (which is unironically probably correct nowadays). Player Soul was also a thing too, in fact every truck freak knew it was the player.
>>741503259The Knight isn't the result of any Lightner just walking into a Dark World. It looks like that because something is fundamentally wrong with it. The only sane candidates remaining with this one qualifier are Dess and Rudy.
>>741503082>plus weird darkness fuckery there's nothing in game implying this btw everything else that goes from the lw to the dw and back stays what it originally was in the light world it was glass originally, possibly obsidian
I think it would be interesting if The Roaring happens when we're separated from Kris, and as a result he becomes Statue Kris. I think statue Gerson may have been foreshadowing that
>>741502802other than the knight's girlish screams when damaged and the dang posing they do in chapter 4 nipping out rudyknight is hard. aside from that tho rudyknighters are cool and respectable theorists.
>>741503258And the speech style, despite not being wingdings, matches the style of his small amount of text in Undertale.
>>741503329Its clearly part or mostly a titan/titan spawn from visuals alone
>>741503287I can blame them for thinking Chara "possesses" in the first place, though!
>>741503243They are brown
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread.
>>741503069
>>741503324Dess being the knight *is* the nonsense twist. It makes no physical sense nor fits her role in the story. All the evidence is based on vibes and symbols.
>>741502965I think the knight is likely going to be a sympathetic villain, so if carol is the knight then perhaps that's how it could work for the story. That way the reveal isn't "villainous character is the mystery villain" (which is weak), but "villainous character is actually sympathetic", which is better.
>>741503359the gerson statue was an inanimate object in the first sanctuary and wasn't actually gerson at allthere's no reason to think kris would just randomly turn into a statue when iirc the roaring doesn't do that to lightners
>>741503410This but for the other two humans.
>>741503324>people want some ebin twist and not what would actually be narratively coherentWhy is it your assumption that anything that goes against what you expected is "narratively incoherent"?
>>741494579Ice socks and sandals
>>741503364Rudy is a roughhousing asshole. He absolutely would pose like a smugass if he could.
>>741503062It seems we started to forget about doors a big person can hide behind (and that Kris turned the knob on the church one, but never opened).
>>741503364>girlish screamsWhat. In what world. That's not even vocal, it's fucking distortion.The laugh in chapter 4 before it makes a titan pillar is also completely different than the damage sound in chapter 3, and rather than girlish it's heavily filtered and creepy.
>>741503459This but for the other other human.
Delicious reminder that KnightKrisKringles lost bigly after spending multiple years arguing that Krissy had to be the Knight
>>741503427It makes perfect physical sense and is a natural way to use her current role in the story.
>>741503401Chara does possess Frisk if you sell her soul to her after genocide, though.
>>741503483i refuse to believe a grown ass man would do this to a kid that isn't his own
>>741503427Dess's aborted baby knight theory IS PEAK
>>741502978yeah, the story is pretty straightforward, just look at undertale. Foreshadowing is blatant. Themes are consistent. There are no “cryptic” asspull twists even with Toby Gasterposting.The schizos just come from having 1-2/7th of a story. Chapter 5 will be a consistent continuation of 4 on both ends. That said If deltarune doesn’t pay off the gaster shit that will be a big missfire
>>741503523nta but literally howwe know next to nothing about her besides her hobbiesshe could be ten trillion different things why would her being the Knight be so great?
>>741503364>girlish screamsi can't imagined being so invested in a theory you start hallucinating 'evidence' like this
>>741503172I think you're under the false assumption that caring for people means you can't hurt them
>>741503536For all we know, that could be the forgotten man.
>>741503523The "physical sense" requires you to make up magic nonsense about zombies. Half the "physical" theories rely on it actually being Kris.
>>741503258>twitter screenshotYou should fuck off back there since you like it so much.That being said, maybe I'm not autistic enough like you schizos, but I never heard the Gaster leitmotif in Another Him. The possibility of Toby creating him just to fuck with you are there since you all get so obsessed over something that the average player will never learn about.>>741503415LMFAO. You fucking retard, I'm literally arguing based on the things actually mentioned in the game, any theory regarding Gaster amounts to>T-this track sounds like his theme if you slow it down by 600%, reverse it and increase the bass by 20%...>B-but this thing hidden in the game's code MAY suggest that he's involvedFunny and sad, you're so obsessed over this fucking game that you think that anyone without the same level of insane an unhealthy autism is illiterate. Genuinely go touch grass faggot.
>>741503352>there's nothing in game implying this btwExcept that the Knight clearly doesn't look like that in the light world, and the number of characters who could physically fit inside the knight's armor is near zero. Jockington Knight is not a real consideration. Thus, the odds are the Knight's form is being altered when they enter the Dark World. Why only their form, then? Why isn't their equipment also subject to this?
>>741503590Nightmare soul rotation is funny though
>>741503569anon the knight's sound when getting hit by rude buster is a pitch shifted noelle shriek
>>741503651>>T-this track sounds like his theme if you slow it down by 600%, reverse it and increase the bass by 20%...No, it sounds the same if you actually listen to them at all, retard
>>741503495years later and I don't even think I've seen someone actually rationalize how Kris could've made the Chapter 2 fountain, Knight Kris was absolutely working on genuine schizologic
>>741503651>I never heard the Gaster leitmotif in Another HimYou must be deaf or at very least tonedeaf, then, because it's the exact same notes with lengthened intervals.
>>741503652because the black shard, which was chipped off of the black knife, is described as being glass in the light worldthis means that the black knife must also be glass
>>741503697If it turns out the knight has Kris's soul (high chance) then it would have been correct.
>>741503651>calling others illiterate after missing that anon’s maymay
>>741503685But it also makes the same sound as friend so that doesn't really hold up either
So what the hell are these threads actually going to say when Suselle ends up endgame and plays an important, MANDATORY role in the plot? There's hating it and then there's deliberately fooling yourself into thinking it's a bait & switch or somehow inconsequential to the plot when it has 3 mandatory, unskippable cutscenes and is literally woven into a prophecy.
>>741503745It's going to be real funny when it turns out that nobody is the Knight and there's a Titan spawn hiding in the town during the daytime.
>>741503697usually the excuse is that kris did it the night prior, but that doesn't work because berdly and noelle were clearly set up with their books out on the table when the fountain closes, which would've been impossible for them to if they stumbled into a dark world like kris and susie did in ch1
>>741503685>the knight's sound when getting hit by rude buster is a pitch shifted noelle shrieknta but gonna put on my requiring source hat
>>741503792It's "love" as in level of violence and the prophecy is almost certainly describing the weird route.
>>741503786friend is just schizo bait, and is also somewhat related to noelle through the sweepstakes
>>741503810>nobody is the Knightbravo kojima
>>741503563We know she disappeared in an incident involving the Dark World before the plot of the game started. A fair bit before, given the fallout of her disappearance has had time to play out. If the point of her role in the plot was just the tragedy following her death, then she could've died rather than mysteriously disappearing into the Dark.Instead, her mom and the guy who was chief of police when she disappeared both think something's fishy, and we have a mysterious Darkness-consumed individual with connections to Dess's mom and friends running around.
>>741503897Nah, if Kojima wrote it "we" (the audience) would be the knight.
>>741503576That's literally what i said in my previous post, Kris failed to protect her when he promised, Kris is failing but the actions still counts, that's what part of the weird route is doing, reconecting Kris and Noelle in a fucked up way
>>741503792If that happens, then I will say that I have always been okay with Suselle from the start, and will oppose the anti-Suselle schizos.
>>741503851https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=566dcI9ar9Amy bad, it's the knight's roar that's noelle's shriek
>>741503695>>741503702Ask a random person you know irl to listen to both tracks and ask them if they sound alike. To your surprise, their response will be negative. The only fags that notice certain leitmotifs are the ones with more time on their screen than outside, and even then it's just pure schizophrenia most of the time, like the retards saying that the knight actually has the freedom leitmotif for a certain part of Black Knife.
>>741503832I still have the mental image of Berdly being so self-absorbed he gets through setting up all their study materials while Noelle tries to tell him they're coyote-timing over a giant black pit.
>>741503889Friend is literally gaster, puppet/cat is element 6 and catmike is "the one who listens"
>>741503697We argued Kris opened during the night and Noelle and Berdly just walked into the room like Susie and Kris did. Honestly you can still argue that's when the fountain was opened to this day outside of the closet comment.
>>7415037921. Woven and forced doesn't mean it will be a main ship, if anything Toby's philosophy would suggest forced = isn't real.2. If Suselle suppose to be accepted by the audience, i don't see why would he invest in Minikris or Krusie ship teasing, instead of actually building suselle bond through battles or Hometown interactions3. So much forshadowing over Noelle's obsession with Dess makes Suselle less and less likely each chapter.4. Toby is Japanese so it make more sense if it's a choice between Krusie and Kriselle if he want to appeal to Otaku community.
>>741496494pacifist with crystals+eggssnowgrave with crystalsthird slot for whatever the fuck (will be used for aborted snowgrave if we get to make the twisted sword, but i haven't actually advanced that save past ch2 yet)
>>741504059>their response will be negativeNo. The fact that you didn't hear the resemblance when you first listened to them just means you're a retard.
>>741503753Wrong way around bucko. Kris has the knight's soul.
>>741503792These threads will implode. Enjoy the time you have now.
>>741503792I think the image in OP implies Noelle is the girl who finds LOVE while Susie isn't even a prophecy character. Though the narration tries to give as minimum hints she can be the one who finds love, but its very vague and could be applied toward Ralsei, Kris or Noelle equally.
>>741503697>pie was a decoy and kris was actually going to the librarby (it's actually now been confirmed that kris does shit off-camera during the night so this is now extra-justified)>the idea that kris moves faster than he lets on with his zombie shit is also confirmed, despite "kris moves at a snails pace" being previously one of the arguments against it>noelle and berdly arrive at the computer room already fountain'd, their experience mirrors kris and susie first encountering the closet fountain>after the fountain gets sealed at the end kris and susie are awake before noelle and berdly, this is also justified since we're literally shown berdly and noelle initially asleep while kris and susie are standing up right>kris and susie immediately arrange them to convince them they were asleep
>>741504116>"Sorry chud, you're just a retard. W-What? Why I won't do what you just told me? B-Because... YOU'RE JUST RETARDED, OK???"Even you know that it takes some stupid autism to notice such a subtle connection.
>>741504059The average person is musically illiterate, such as yourself. The person who made the fucking game however is not musically illiterate, and they use musical themes to signify relationships to characters within the story.
>>741503879not according to the japanese translation>the girl finds out the true meaning of love
>>741504045>this blatantly obvious>brown deer in the code>all the other evidence All these underages expecting MattPat need to get out of my thread
>>741504207>subtle connection>thatLmao
Time to decide what /v/ thinks: what is Kris's true gender?https://strawpoll.com/NMnQN2wBBg6
>>741503410>>741503459>>741503493Reminder that these are all minors and should not be sexualized!
>>741503792You eat red herring like candies if you think Suselle is just straight up fan service yuri like Alphys with Undyne or that the prophecy is direct and not deceptive.
>>741503937All if that points to her being supernaturally alive, but my argument is why the Knight? Why couldn't she be friend? Or shacking up with Gaster?Why is Dess doing what the Roaring Knight is up to? I never have a good motivation that isn't just "She wants to stop being a zombie" and that is not a very thematic motivation when the zombieism isn't correlated to something IRL like Flowey's soullessness was correlated to disengagement with a game you've played too many time. What is the Knight thematically?
>>741504291i love ip harvesters
>>741498658
Kris is a skinny girl that wears tighty whities
>>741504291Non binary isn't a real gender. Its just a placeholder for "Gender X" you think Kris is. Which is either male or female. Even if Toby personally see Kris as male.
>>741504174everyone dismisses noelle as the girl because "the image doesn't have antlers!" but no one considers she is wearing her hood or she yanks/sheds her antlers off
>>741504291My answer would be: Ambiguous, not important to the story, and will never be revealed because that's Toby's style.
>>741504225That still works.
>>741504141Its red since titan's have red attack same as the knight
>>741504310This is a Toby Fox game and he even said Suselle is similar to Alphdyne in the anni stream last year
>>741504291Where's the hermaphrodite option?
>>741504296Out of ten!
>>741504449hermaphrodites are not real.
>>741504212>they use musical themes to signify relationships to characters within the story.Explain black knife in dating tense:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qBKXNVV0eM
>>741504291>IP stealing poll.
>>741504454UOH...
>>741504336>What is the Knight thematically?A representation of the past that characters need to move on from, Kris, Noelle, Asgore, Flowey, and many other characters are defined by their past and refuse to move forward. The prophecy is heavily, heavily implied to be a repeating cycle of destruction everyone is trapped in.
>>741504496Neither is deltarune, yet here we are having schizophrenic debates over it
>>741504212You all need to get off your high horses. Media literacy this, musical literacy that.These condescending attitudes won't get you far in life, and the average person will in fact enjoy the finished product without having to obsess over every little detail like you all do.It's like if I showed you a stupidly complex integral that I can easily solve and then call you retarded because you didn't casually solve it.Anyone that says that they heard Gaster's theme when opening the game for the first time is either lying or way too obsessed with this game, because recognising a theme that 90% of UT's never heard, is in fact, unusual. I think I had listened to Gaster's theme maybe once when DT came out, so is it really that weird that I didn't make the autistic connection?
>>741504536
>>741504512...what the actual fuck? Why have I never seen this mentioned before?
>>741504512Need I say it?
>>741503232Noelle's consent I guess
>>741504542Do you think the Knight is supposed to be wrong for existing? That kind of goes against all the stuff about Darkners and monsters having worthwhile lives.
>>741504512THE KNIGHT IS PAPYRUS WIELDING WHAT IS BASICALLY DESS'S CORPSE AS ARMORI REFUSE TO EXPLAIN
>>741504234The black deer in the code is on the opposide side of a pit, is controlled by the player, and dies in one hit to kris. Shit has nothing in common with the knight. Fogures the knight would be the hard as balls final fight in the location the knight is hiding in, that ends with it saying "we both have work to do!".
>>741504336>but my argument is why the Knight? Why couldn't she be friend? Or shacking up with Gaster?Friend's existence is already accounted for, albeit with mostly out of game evidence. Gaster is harder to disprove, but UNUSED doesn't seem to be talking to a particular person, so I lean away from it.>I never have a good motivation that isn't just "She wants to stop being a zombie" and that is not a very thematic motivation when the zombieism isn't correlated to something IRL like Flowey's soullessness was correlated to disengagement with a game you've played too many time.Flowey's soullessness came before he was disengaged, I'd say being soulless was more meant to parallel him to a player being one layer removed from the game world at all times, at minimum, which allowed the further disengagement to take root like it did.Dess let herself get too wrapped up in the dark, in "fantasy", and is now a veritable force of nature tearing apart someone else's fantasy. If I had to guess what this was meant to do thematically with the incomplete information we have, I'd say it's something about how imagination is inherently able to be a selfish thing and working yours in with others takes a certain positive mindset.
>>741503792I just steal the deer in the wr thenDUH
>>741503792I will just continue to say that Suselle is a garbage ship unless Toby actually manages to turn it around and make it satisfying. His track record with dyke ships is terrible though
>>741504604>>741504639what the fuck did Kris possibly promise Papyrus then to jeopardize everything else
>>741504639>>741504604>>741504512papyrus knight would make me drop the game (rudy knight too)
>>741504601Too cute!
>>741504512>Papyrus larps as military>Dess probably larps as militaryPAPYRUS KNIGHT BROSHERE HOW WE COULD STILL WIN
>>741504617>consent
>>741502815>>Knight has a batnuh uh it's totally a swordjust ignore the one sprite when the sword first spawns where it looks completely different from any of its other sprites where it is very obviously shaped like a bat (except for the one spike on the top which i will base my entire argument of it not being a bat on)
>>741504635Is Gaster wrong in wanting to exist? It's just a bad thing that happened, a girl went missing and probably died
>>741503792the threads will die completely then
>>741504771don't forget that it's made of glass and actively referred to as the black knife in game
>>741504771They'll also ignore that the spike is visually different from anything else on any Knight sprite in how much the outline differs from the shape it's around.
>>741504593Bro didn't study for the test and he's getting mad that people are telling him the answers. It's okay to be ignorant, but when you start acting like a pompous ass saying something cannot be possibly true because you personally didn't know it, you become an obnoxious retard. You were the one who started sperging that Gaster didn't exist because there was no evidence, then you got mad when people showed you evidence.
Suselle isn't about fanservice. It's about doing what's right: which is featuring a prominent lesbian romance in a popular and influential piece of media, even when the world tells Toby he shouldn't do it. This is the sort of thing that really matters.
>>741504814don't forget that the first sprite it has ends in a pointed tip
>>741504604>>741504639Anons, did you forget that the dating theme- is also used for alphys- dating theme has gaster's theme in it- gaster in DR is a sappy bastard all about connections and "every day is a day of love?" Nonsense
>>741504593>Anyone that says that they heard Gaster's theme when opening the game for the first time is either lying or way too obsessed with this game, because recognising a theme that 90% of UT's never heard, is in fact, unusualDeltarune was meant for people who were that much into Undertale. That's why it isn't as popular.
>>741504174It woudn't make sense Gerson would see Susie as an outsider who can change fate if she was part of the prophecy as "the girl". Its obvious for game's narration Susie need to be a nobody who got there by accident. Or actually by Alphys autistic shipping of Krusie.
>>741504847glad we've come to an agreement that it's not a bat
ETA until OST name leaks?
>>741504512Jokes aside, the song Nightmare Knight was made long before Undertale so this could just be a cheeky reference to Toby's old music.
>>741504847It doesn't. It visually calls attention to the fact that the tip ISN'T pointed with that sprite, in fact.
>>741504683But we Susiebros also want a piece of the shipping pie, Toby!
>>741504836Criticizing toxic lesbian/homo interests/relationships instead of le heckin wholesome fags trope #186 would be way more interesting >see snoot game and nb won’t happen bc Toby is a yurifag
>>741504852Every day is a day of violence
>>741504675>Dess let herself get too wrapped up in the dark, in "fantasy", and is now a veritable force of nature tearing apart someone else's fantasyBut the Knight and Kris are the ones creating the fantasies instead of reacting to/destroying themI don't think the Knight is going to be so metaphorical and certainly not evilOtherwise I agree with how it will likely shake out. I think thematically it's touching something that makes sense.
>>741504836After trans reveal in Amazing Circus, Toby woudn't dare to make any lesbian cringe canon.
>>741504893That section of black knife isn't in nightmare knight. Toby went out of his way to add dating tense to black knife. Black knife is a mix of nightmare knight and dating tense. Try not to think too hard about it.
>>741504296Woah, I didn't know that... you're telling me right now for the first time...
>>741505005I can't help it, I have to think hard about itThe man uses leitmotifs in way too specific of a manner for it to be unimportant
>>741504731Very!
>>741504892in like 2 days
>>741504835I think you missed the point, I had already mentioned some lines making me think that he's involved, sure I didn't consider the theme, but I still don't personally see that as hard evidence. It's likely foreshadowing, but I simply prefer to not assume something as confirmed until it actually gets confirmed. Like I said originally, I'm not a Gaster denier, I just don't think that anything tying to him can be considered definitive.
>>741504296I cannot deny myself
>>741505062Dess and Kris were romantically involved but Flowey wasn't about to allow HMFF or whatever furfags call it in My World
>>741504836SO TRUE, kriselle is a good honorary lesbian rep, even when people seethe over the weird route, Toby is truly pushing the limits
>>741505000The Knight and Kris are both making the fantasy worlds but Susie is the only one who has any real desire to engage with them on face level as fantasy adventures. The Knight and Kris both have specific objectives, Kris needs to be cajoled a bit into doing the fun fantasy stuff at times for this very reason.>I don't think the Knight is going to be so metaphorical and certainly not evilI don't think it's particularly metaphorical because on a literal level there's reasons for everything it's doing too, even if a few of them boil down to immediate emotional responses. I don't think it's evil either.Glad we can mostly agree on broad strokes, though.
>>741505212>HonoraryKriselle is a lesbian ship and that's a good thing!
>>741505062https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puwOdeKHAKYDo you hear it? Doot doot doot doot.
Its here
PLEASE LET ME SNOWGRAVE EVERYONE IN HOME TOWN
his meltdown will put asgore and noelle's to shame
Toby has the biggest example of audience capture from his fandom of young tranny girls, and probably a fair bit of trolls remorse too from his halloween hack days. I wouldn't be surprised if a few days after Chapter 5 comes out he changes some lines like the "furry degenerate" one being changed to "furry freak". Probably the biggest example being the rape scene. "Toby Fox nearly immediately patched this out of the game, because it was too interesting. It was too complex, too challenging, too unabashed for Deltarune's audience of high-school freshman and younger who avert their eyes to anything morally intense. Anything that features uncomfy content or themes is a no-go in the fictional stories I like, because it must mean the author approves of that. Why else would they write it?"Via: https://greedykeeblerelf.blogspot.com/2026/03/a-critique-of-deltarune.html
>>741504892You missed the 1 second they were available? shame>010. Jitterbug (Reprise)
>>741505326Okay?
>>741503651>I never heard the Gaster leitmotif in Another Himare you for fucking real dudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHOkkDmsTvohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0dgaYe2LZwthis is basically as in-your-face blatant as toby could've made it without making it literally the same song
>>741503792guess I'm erasing the world again. tough for everyone else
>>741505320Lmao no it won't He'll forgive Nice Cream Guy instantly and go prison gay out of desperation. Toby will never, ever, ever shut down a gay ship even if it's horrifically toxic and one-sided.
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>>741503792Continue to bitch about it because the ship suckssimple as
>>741505326He had enough time after the rose, but now we will know if wr feels tame than the sofa
>>741505389No, he has to be oblivious for continuity reasons. He won't go prison gay until after he gets warped to UT and begins working for MTT
I WANT A ICE PALACE
>>741504757it goes a little more like this anon
I still never did the Weird route in Chapter 3/4 because I heard it doesn't change much, is it good?
>>741505148>Like I said originally, I'm not a Gaster denier, I just don't think that anything tying to him can be considered definitive.If you can see all the gaster stuff and call it "just vibes" and "not definitive enough yet" then you calling Dess Knight "just vibes" is all but a glowing recommendation.
>>741505561Skips the cringe fest Noelle house section for KINO, yeah, still not that many changes yet
>kris shambles alone towards the final fountain, towards the true form of the angel>sealing it is the only thing left to do. >>>>there is a man there>it's fucking alvin>he won't let the angel be banished >true final boss fight, in punch out style
>>741494941>Deltatroons are the type of people to unironically scream and clap upon seeing obscure enemy no. 637588 being referenced in the Mario movie.That's the whole basis of Undertale and Deltarune nigga.It's literally marvel tier references but for Homestuckers and tumblrinasSpecially after you realize Deltatroon is literally just Homestuck and Omori mashed together
>>741505561The chapter proper isn't very different but the Noelle house segment is fucked. We also cut Susie off as the choice interface completely fails to work.
>>741504512what the fuck papyrusknight confirmed?
>>741505654and a dash of Earthbound
why does Papyrus have the starman symbols on his armor
