>>741519826It killed my interest too after seeing THAT Knuckles.
>>741519826It's honestly impressive how Sonic can survive stuff that absolutely would've executed any other franchise twice.
>>741519826Sonic Boom was an S-tier show that should have gotten more seasons. How did it kill the franchise?
>>741519983The Sonic show was a marketing to sell the games, and the Sonic boom games were terrible.
>>741520040what games?
>>741520040Games? Who plays games? The show is what we consumed, and it was amazing. Sticks really needs to be in more media. Was she in the game?
>>741520113Sonic boom : Rise of lyricSonic boom : Shattered crystalSonic boom : Fire & Ice
>>741520113>>741520127if you don't want to talk about the subject of the thread that's fine but you don't have to pretend to be retarded
>>741520234I'm literally talking about Sonic Boom
>>741520317oh, I guess you weren't pretending
>>741520234i just asked what games which >>741520232answered, so that's nice. never heard of those before
>>741520362I'm glad you understand. Now answer the question.
>>741519826Boombros...
>>741519983>>741520040I heard that at some point Sega gave up on the show and let it's producers have a lot of freedom in it and that's why it was funny and good. Too bad they couldn't use Shadow for gags because Sega put limitations about him.I miss Sticks.
>>741519826Sucknic was NEVER good
>>741520234>sonic boom games almost killed the franchise>"Huh? No it didn't, I watched the show!"god sonic fans are so insufferably retarded
The sonic boom show was terrible, and no, just because it had a few good lines per episode that are good to watc in youtube recopilations it doesn't make it a good show.
>>741519964>It's honestly impressive how Sonic can survive stuff that absolutely would've executed any other franchise twice.They keep making games, that's why. Imagine a really bad Mario game. But we get a new Mario game once a decade. It'd hurt things. If there's a shitty Sonic, there's a new one in a few yeras time and everyone moves on.
>>741520385what question? huh? who asked a question?>>741520432there's a reason I never bring up the fact that I like sonic in public
>>741520446what makes sonic good then, sonicfagGive us your wisdom
>>741520446It was a self-aware snarky comedic show, with lots of parody of both Sonic and its fanbase which is exactly the kind of tripe millennials love. Kids are very lukewarm on that kind of shit though. So it got popular among adult Sonic fans, while kids ignored it and played Minecraft and watched youtube.
>>741519826This isn't new news.
>>741520519what makes sonic huh?
>>741519826https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMEAh5rhscSonic Boom was the only good Sonic show
>>741519983>S-tier showB-tier at best>How did it kill the franchise?Cause nobody watched it due to its shitty timeslot. Also cause nobody bought the toys. And much like Crash 4: It killed the franchise, the Video games were straight dogshit.Sonic Boom was a reboot that didn't need to happen. And one of the reasons it did happen was cause Sega of America wanted to get Sonic Team closed down by showing "See, we don't need Sonic Team to make Sonic games". Granted, Sonic Team didn't do themselves any favors by chasing mobile garbage (Sonic Runners) and botching the Sakura Wars reboot.
>>741520418>Too bad they couldn't use Shadow for gags because Sega put limitations about him.What limitations did they put? Every time he showed up and out-cooled Sonic was a highlight of the series.>I miss Sticks.She needs to come back. Finally we had representation.
>>741520810>Every time he showed up and out-cooled Sonic was a highlight of the series.Anon. Gags. Read what you reply to.
>>741519983>How did it kill the franchise?have you played the fucking games?
>>741519826Thanks for reminding me grown ass adults overpraised the hell out of this cartoon show because it had 4th wall break jokes that only the hardcore fanbase will understand
>>741520127Oh whatever, you people are going to be defending these games in five years just like you defend 06.
>>741520893No, I only watched the show, I stated that already. It was the first thing that got me interested in Sonic.
>>741520986Kek, this.
>>741519826i thought sonic 06 was the one to really do him in and was the lowest point
>>741519826Retarded, unnecessary reboot nobody asked for.
>>741519826Sega really wants you to forget that they're the reason the games turned out shit. The Mania devs basically saying that they're the most Jewish Jap company to work with doesn't surprise anyone.
>>741520418>I miss Sticks.Amy mentions her in the final horizon ending.
>>741520418>Too bad they couldn't use Shadow for gags because Sega put limitations about him.They got around that by turning his edge up to 11 and that was the gag. I loved it.
>>741519826>"Sonic boom almost destroyed the franchise!">shits out Sonic PrimeWhat's Sega endgame here?
Where's a good Sonic game though
>>741519826I dont care unless it's adventure 3 and not gay like everything else
>>741523717Iuzuka doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and only has his job due to seniority. The while "two worlda" thing and the fact he thought Mania's announcement was going to bomb at that convention should be enough proof that he's a fucking retard.
>Sonic Mania infuriates Sega because they were outdone in a single attempt>goes back to making junk Where's the revitalization? Is it really just the movies that I will never watch?
I see sonic boom clips every so often and it seems like a good show. Made me wanna watch it.
>>741523717Prime is a success though. It's just not watchable to any of us because it's made for 8 year olds.
>>741519826Pretty sure that was 06.Boom was 06 best friend
>>741519826>sonic was really at a low pointCan something be considered "low" when it has always been at its lowest? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say something like "Sonic was as it always was: irrelevancy"?
>>741520232I heard Fire and Hair Lice was good.
>>741519983>>741520418Sonic Boom definitively had the best Amy, period.
>>741519826Sonic Frontiers saved the franchise btw.
>>741520040The funny thing about that is that extremely little of the video games is actually in the Sonic Boom cartoon.Major game characters like Cliff and Lyric are absent and never mentioned, at most there is a single episode featuring "Defekt" from the 3DS game Fire and Ice, where the episode treats it like the cast and viewers should be familiar with them and their muteness, which Tails fixes pretty early in the episode.
>>741524264Prime is boring and stretched out even to adults with attention spans. There’s no way the tik-tok generation likes it.
Sonic needs to become DMC with Hedgehogs
>Mania was developed after and really did feel like the saving grace needed>Forces shot the goodwill back down months laterReally says something about Sega's management
>>741525820It's all action and no substance.Also no appeal, fan art of the various incarnations of main characters is pretty limited, nobody gives a shit about their inclusion in Sonic Crossworlds Racing.
>>741525820>>741526170Oh but the best thing to come out of Prime ended up being a fucking joke about Shadow liking latinas.It was big enough that even the Sonic 3 movie got in on the joke.
>>741526289Based Shadow with big booty latinas fetish
Sonic X Season 3 is still the best way to watch Sonic on TV.
Why do the janitors hate Amy Rose so much
>>741526414heres why
>>741526509Sonic fans are never beating the allegations...
The only people that like Sonic Prime are Sonadow fujos.
>>741526289That came from Twitter. Prime has no memorable quotes or memes.
>>741527109I'm aware. The fucking meme edit is more popular than anything from Prime itself.
>>741519964TF2, Pokemon and Halo still exist.
>>741519826I remember people were shilling the WiiU game as a return to form here. WiiU shills were a separate breed from the regular drones man.
>>741519964Its because the games are just the spearhead for a vast network of merch and media.So if one part licks but can still fulfill its critical functions in continuing to proliferate the Sonic brand, then there is no reason to get rid of it.
Sonic was very weird for a while. They were behind trends left and right, often doing what Mario/Nintendo did 3-4 years later. The most agregious was when Zelda Phantom Hourglass came out and for some reason the next Sonic game had a boat mechanic. Or when Frontiers tried to do the BotW thing. And the whole Lost World bottle world's taking the core concept of Mario Galaxy and doing it poorly. I think Sonic is often at its best when it tries to just be a Sonic game
>>741526509is obviously not an amy fan and I am sure is the faggot that always posts scat pics in sonic girl related threads, like the rouge one right now
>>741527871Sonic imitating Zelda has happened way too often, but Rush Adventure and Phantom Hourglass released too close to each other (months apart in 2007) for that to be anything but a coincidence.
>>741519826I don't understand why it did. It was always clear that it was a spinoff and not the actual future of the series. The cartoon also did well. Why did Sega shit itself so badly over it?
>>741519964The objective answer is that while the results were absolutely catastrophic reputation wise, the damage was mainly done after 06 rolled out. Sonic was now the laughing stock of the franchise in the west, interest was at an all time low in Japan. Unleashed still had divisiveness because of the werehog and provided ammo for haters and people against the franchise. But there is also two layers of truth to why Sonic stuck around: Simply put, Sega wasn't that popular so the grander gaming industry didn't really care about them being successful or not, and Sonic was the ONLY viable IP they had globally. It's easy to forget, but even games that are well known now like Yakuza and Puyopuyo, and even VF getting more known, every other IP Sega had was either niche or only sold well in Japan. Sonic was still Sega's golden goose because it was the only thing they built their entire company on. That's why games kept getting made, but whether they realized it or not, that's why there was a subconscious effort to make titles more popular so they wouldn't be forced to rely on Sonic.Merch is still king in any medium, so I'm sure they mostly coasted on merch sales, just like with Boom. And even with Generations coming out, after shit like Lost World and Boom, people subconsciously took it as a flash in the pan and there hasn't been a single universally agreed upon "good" game since, and expectations towards the franchise became deflated again after Generations' goodwill got ruined. So it'd be more apt to say Boom led to more "disappointment" than an actual death. People were burned once, and seeing it again, they just stopped caring as much.
>>741527705The whole Pontaff era of Sonic is very strange looking back. The whole fanbase loved the light tone at the time, while it’s completely reviled now.
>>741527871>The most agregious was when Zelda Phantom Hourglass came out and for some reason the next Sonic game had a boat mechanic.Schizophrenic association.
>>741519826Well good thing they let Christian Whitehead take the reigns for a second, because Iizuka certainly wasn't the savior with Sonic Forces.
>>741528306Its telling that a Social Media Manager for Yakuza openly admitted that a fucking LP group covering Yakuza 4 was a big deal for tis western popularity and it didn't explode in the west till Zero with the Friday night meme.
>>741528516What's also great about that is that the artist who worked on Sonic Mania was called in to do the Sonic Movie redesign.Sonic is literally being hard carried by its fans.
>>741528617Sonic Superstars is also the prime example of them not understanding why Mania was successful.Yes, the physics engine is a perfect re-implementation of what was in Mania ported over to Unity engine, but that doesn't save a game from bad ideas.
>>741528516I wonder how things would turn out if Sega dissolved Sonic Team and reassigned them to other games, and just had Whitehead's company handle Sonic from now on.
>>741528794To be fair, physics and momentum is the one thing Sonic fans never shut the fuck up about so you'd think that's all they care about.
I have a newfound respect for Iizuka after his confidence with crossworlds and learning that he once saved Sonic from complete death
>>741528529Ironically, that's also how I found out about Yakuza. And I don't remember which, but it was either that they did remasters for some of the games first, or bringing 0 to the west that made Sega take the chance. Again, Sonic was the ONLY lifeline Sega had. But seeing how it's going these days, it wouldn't surprise me if they put the games on the backburner for a while because they're still a fucking mess, and Sega seems to be trying to do all they can to make VF pop off, even though it looks like it's aping SF6... Not to mention they've been trashing their legacy with Yakuza for the past few years.
>>741528905Yes, momentum. Superstars kills that pretty consistently with dogshit boss fights, an emphasis on multiplayer content, and a gimmicky emerald power system that ranges from useless to game breaking with few in-betweens.
>>741519826porn saved them.
>>741529056That's a totally different kind of momentum than the one we're talking about...
>>741529158Is it though? The levels are loaded with design choices that serve just to disrupt flow, that momentum isn't readily achievable even if physics would allow for it.
>>741528306japan never liked sonic at all.. shame
>>741519826It's truly baffling how they can't find some competent developers to make a Sonic game. I thought Japanese people are supposed to be smart. It's been over 2 decades of Sonic being bad, aside from Unleashed and Generations though even those are flawed, and Sega still hasn't made any serious changes with Sonic Team and whoever the hell developed this garbage.
>>741528838I mean it wouldn't happen. What happened after Mania was proof enough. The japanese are very prideful and would never let foreigners take control of something they deem as important to them. There's even reports of this where there were arguments between the east and west devs during the development. The best counterexample to this though is Castlevania, in which they tried to revitalize by copying GOW with a western company. But you never did see a western company do a traditional Vania, did you? >But the most recent game! There's always exceptions; the japanese are prideful, but they're also pragmatic to a degree. Konami is a retarded company, but they never knew how to handle Castlevania. Since the netflix show is, unfortunately, the most popular thing about it, and the franchise has always been westaboo inspired, it might make sense for this one to be handled by foreigners since they have more of a grip on understanding western culture than they ever would. But you bet your ass if it's successful, they'll go right back to a jap studio. Because keep in mind, remember what happened after Mania? They tried to make a shitty Mania 2 substitute with a japanese studio. Japanese companies are fucking stupid.
Frontiers is good
>>741529372Actually, thinking about it, it would be more accurate to say japs have massive inferiority complexes that they mask as pride than actual pride. Really seems to've started after being nuked twice. So they won't let it happen because they're still angry America bombed them and it got ingrained into the culture and the average japanese person despises their history and the west, even if they try to cosplay their culture or try hard to fit in.
>>741529336they did have a competent dev team. what Sega did was force them to port their game to Wii U EXCLUSIVELY at the very last minute, giving them only a few months to do so.
>>741519826>hand sonic to the americans one time>they almost kill the seriescrazy
>>741529732That's fine, the japs had their turns with 06, Shadow, Unleashed, Forces, Secret Rings...
>>741529732I dunno about that buddy. I don't think Americans were making something as borderline non functional as 06...
>>741528346>The whole fanbase loved the light tone at the time, while it’s completely reviled now.sonic fans are the kings of loudly demanding the worst dogshit, applauding it, then years later turning around and saying "wow that was awful how could sega do this?"
>>741528346They only liked two games, which was Colors and Generations, and seeing how both came after the abysmally tryhard stories of Shadow, 06, Unleashed, it was more praised being a change of pace that seemed similar in tone to the Genesis games than anything. It's only now that we have the benefit of foresight that we realize it was also dogshit in a different way. But honestly, there's only a select number of lines in Colors that are cringey, while Gens just has nothing going on writing wise and was a massive waste of potential.
>>741519826>"We don't want to do more Sonic">Ignoring the fact it's their fault that the franchise turned out the way it did at the timeI hate Sega so much
>>741520506Don't be a corward anon, you probably get ignored if you mention it irl, only on spaces like this and twitter maybe but we're not on 2010 anymore
>>741525937I kinda see the vision
>>741520418>Too bad they couldn't use Shadow for gags because Sega put limitations about him.They had to do a lot of work arounds for Sega's limitations on Shadow. It's actually kinda funny how elaborate it was. For example, in the two part series finale, there's a scene where Eggman goes to Shadow's home to entice him to attack Sonic. Now, Sega said they're not allowed to show what Shadow's home is. So Shadow is just hanging out in a cave that certainly isn't his home, and Eggman just happens to know he'd find Shadow there. How? Don't worry about it.>>741525512I suppose it helps that it was delayed an entire year for quality control.>>741528516Iizuka had more of a hand in Mania than Forces. He's credited as a supervisor in Mania, and with Forces, he's just "Sonic series producer", which is the standard credit for every game in the past 10 years he's only had a passing involvement in.
>Sonic Boom was 11 years ago>Sega was almost done with Sonic 10 years ago>Sonic Mania was 9 years ago>Sega is still almost done with SonicSega's mismanagement of Sonic is almost as bad as Microsoft's mismanagement of everything.
>>741529997It’s usually the reverse though. 06 and Unleashed were considered dogshit on release but now views on those games have softened.
>>741520418Same, i hate that Sega seems to actively try to remove any mention of her existance nowadays and it worries me
>>74153183106 is still hated but most fans mostly appreciate everything about it except the gameplay, unleashed has definitely took a change specially after the release of unleashed recompiled
>>741530218>abysmally tryhard stories>UnleashedIn what world?
>>741520379For boom, it's better if you just watch the show and ignore the games
>>741531506>Sega's mismanagement of Sonic is almost as bad as Microsoft's mismanagement of everything.Not even close.
>>741520423Surge...
Make a game that has you flip through 2D, 3D, and boost sections as you play through the level like crash bandicoot. Main goal is to get from A to B, but with additional side objectives like completing it with X amount of rings, finding and freeing a bunch of imprisoned chao, completing it without dying, beating a time trial, finding a level’s hidden emerald, achieving a certain score by the end determined by rings collected, time at finish, enemies killed, minimal deaths, and chao freed in one sitting. Have multiple paths for certain segments of a level. Kill the fucking homing attack and just make enemies and platforms a little bigger in the 3D sections so you can navigate the space at high speed. Add a shadow vs sonic versus mode that lets you race against a friend through the game’s full list of levels. Add a difficult setting so that game can appeal to kids and adults. Why is this so hard?
>>741520432Probably a bot, these answers doesn't feel real
>>741532858The recent 3D games already feature 2D sections, and I wish they'd go away
>>741522193At least 06 sold, Sega actively wasted money for the reboot treating it as a big deal and got nothing in return cause people got scared this would replace the game universe, they literally lost money from this
>>741520418One of the Producers worked on The Simpsons and Drawn Together so that probably explains why its funny
So is Nintendo to blame or SEGA for Rise of Lyric being shit?
>>741524264Yeah, it sucks that this thing is canon too, somehow
>>741533078They don’t feature 3D sections. And their 2D sections use the boost, which lets you blast through them. They also feature a greater amount of 2D than 3D because all the 3D sections in those games are boost sections which take a lot of effort to make. So the 2D sections would play a lot better if they were like classic sonic, and they’d be less prevalent if the 3D sections were based on classic gameplay too with 3D segments being their own thing. There’s nothing wrong with a level cycling through different play styles. It makes the level more dynamic and add much needed challenge. It just needs to be done well.
>>741530485if they don't want to do more sonic then just don't do more sonic, or at least just give him a break. not like they don't have a bunch of other franchises they could work on instead. hell sonic team also works on puyo puyo and, despite my gripes with it, it still goes pretty strong (and they could do some other stuff with it like translate the novels and audio dramas, the chaotix casefiles is basically one for sonic unless they just don't have the ENG puyo VA's on speed dial for these things).
>>741529324Superstars was so fucking bad it was baffling to me, how fucking butthurt were they about Whitehead that they decided to make this shit
>>741533225Both. Sega signed up for the deal with Wii U, but it wasn't designed to handle Cryengine.
>>741533284They saw how godawful Balan Wonderworld and decided to hire the studio immediately to ruin sonic just as hard. A typical retarded decision that only Sega knows how to make.The only good decision sega made in decades is to cancel Hyena
>>741533225Sega. They could have just made the three games that they agreed to with their exclusivity contract, but no, they had to drag the Boom devs into their mess.
>>741533258In a way, they kinda doing that with the whole SEGA announcements carrying this month carrying while Sonic doesn't have anything major this year. Hopefully it means they are taking their time
I want to see what Forces' story was like before they badly cut Boom out of it.The final boss being Eggman in a mech shaped exactly like Lyric for no reason is ridiculous.
I just realized that Freedom planet is essentially everything Ian and the games have been trying to do lately in terms of storyeven down to the lesbians
>>741533225Even taking into consideration the whole Sega making them port a game designed in an engine not supported for the Wii U, it's still ultimately Big Red Button's fault for making it the way it is. Even discounting the bugs its ass.
>>741533413I'm amazed Arzest still gets work after their previous work on Yoshi and Balan.>>741534183Ian's lesbians are fell less enjoyable.
>>741525624Saved the games part of the franchise specifically. Sega was probably going to turn Sonic into a multimedia series if Frontiers we're to fail.
>>741519826Who cares? Only autistic furries played Sonic after the Genesis games
>>741532132Man...why?
>>741519983The cartoon, comic, and merchandise were not only amazing, but very profitable. Unfortunately the games were so shit they killed any chance the brand had.
Are the Boom games even that bad, or are Sonicfags just malding about them because the characters are off-model?I know Rise of Lyric was a glitchy mess (not necessarily a problem, as long as it's playable and the content is solid) because it was hastily ported to the Wii U, but I think the 3DS games were meant to be completely fine, if bland.
>>741535675Yes, but fire and ice is passable
>and it was up to Takashi Iizuka to save the series He was the one in charge of the franchise since 2008. Those were his decisions they were in the hole to begin with.
>>741519964>give shit to the west>they kill itA tale as old ad time itself.
>>741520762>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT WAS GOOD, I SWEAR!!!!
>>741520432but how is he wrong?
>>741526141>hire a Western studio to relaunch Sonic>ask them to redesign the characters, but shoot down all of their ideas, until all you're left with is the same designs but everyone has accessories, and Knuckles is buff for some reason.>the whole thing has no real identity. No one warms to it (although the cartoon was kind of funny)>let the guy who handled the modern port of Sonic CD make his own game with his friends>he knocks it out of the park and it's a fucking masterpiece>Sega seemingly embarrassed that it made them look incompetent, never ask those guys back to make another gameI don't think they know what they want.
>>741535285Since we now know what kind of petty and vindictive asshole Sonic's creator is, it's only natural that there's more like him running Sonic Team
>>741527871They've pretty much always done that. The Knuckles gameplay in the adventure era was their attempt to get in on collectathons, though they didn't really get it. They have not once tried to just make a regular ass Sonic game, and do it in 3D.
>>741536146In typical Japanese fashion, they want to succeed but only on their own terms
>>741536146>they move on from sonic and make an irredeemable DEI game with the worst protagonist design ever seen in video games>it flopsgood
>>741528346I'm still fine with it, but I know Sonic fans freak out, so I keep my mouth shut.
>>741531831When they actually do remake 06, people will turn around and go "what the fuck? Why did they remake this dogshit? I hate Silver!"
>>741519964It's what's keeping SEGA's video game division afloat. Sonic still sells more than anything else they have.Sonic's best selling game in the last few years was Frontiers and that is barely reaching 5 million. Crash 4 hit 5 million without an issue and the series was canned. Why? Because Crash is nothing to Activision. They can throw him in the corner and not give a fuck because they have more things they can exploit. Sonic is SEGA's only stone they can bleed dry.
>>741532531>we're gonna do the best friends trope despite tails existing and also introduce a new side of sonic that does absolutely nothing as an exploration of his character and put all the focus on our new oc
>>741525937What is with this retarded fanbase's obsession with forcing Sonic to be other IPs? If I wanted a DMC game I'd play DMC. If I wanted Dragon Ball I'd watch/play goddamn Dragon Ball.
>>741536413>>741529372>>741528306Come to think of it, Sonic being Sega's backbone (now with a Yakuza softpad) explains why they've come up with retarded ideas like Hyenas and tried pushing for the IP remake project they've been on about. It also explains why every major attempt also features a more realistic style, because they desperately want to appeal not to the western audience, but the NORMIE western audience. Realism slop like COD and 2K sell because it looks and has the tag of "realism". So once again they're following trends... fucking hell. The only exceptions so far have been Shinobi and Streets of Rage, but they seem to have some awareness and realize even THOSE games are more niche than their average catalogue so they just give it to dotemu to crank out on what they consider a "low" budget.
>>741536946Sonics since adventure at the earliest has cultivated a large contingent of shonen fans that want the series to be chunni as possible.To which some genres and mechanics align more than others.
>>741536946I call it the Disney mindset. One homogenized, monolithic identity with no variations, differentiations.
so what the fuck is up with the current canon and Frontiers having two separate scripts, once for JP and the English one made by Ian ebin reference bro Flynn? I mean, crossworlds already got comic characters in there so the mention of Tangle and Sticks in Frontiers is canon compared to JP that never mentions them?
>>741537238Its a cartoon series about talking rodents get a grip. You didn’t see people in the 1940s arguing about the canon of Steamboat Willie or Foghorn Leghorn cartoons.
>>741519951Big Knuckles kinda grew on me. Normal Knux looks so scrawny in comparison.
>>741537238They tapped Ian to write the script after giving him an outline with objectives and then because JP sonic has less attitude, which then has a cascading effect on the rest of the franchises perception over there, made Izuka feel like he had to step in and adapt the script to JP sensibilities, and apparently it was considered worse anyways but that may be hearsay.
>>741536146>rando’s do a better job with your ip than you>proceed to either sabotage their works or never let them at it again even if everyone loved itI never got why so many studios pull this stunt. Someone figures out what people want and your response is to ruin them just because it wasn’t you? You should be willing to put your ego aside to give customers what they like even if it isn’t directly by you. It just ruins things for everyone
>>741537404You sound like an IDW tranny.
>>741519964Furryshit is hard to kill
>>741537238If I recall, there were reports of fighting over the script during development (because of course) which led to the director writing his own script. I guess they agreed to have the game feature different scripts which is fucking retarded because look at the pile of shit we got served, but there's supposedly been something of a war at Sega over what the direction the franchise is supposed to be with east and west parties. Crossworlds also has a majorly different script in Japanese, none of which mention IDW, just so you know, which lends credence to the theory and rumors.
>>741537504Corporations are not run by sane people, they're run by narcissistic morons that prioritize their own delusions over anything approaching reality.
>>741519826Why can he never die?
>>741537654>GensLiterally aping the last good game in over ten years, it's a fluke until we see something good in the next game. But given Sega's history, even making ONE good game is considered a fluke. >CrossworldsMore focused on crossover shit than improving the game. But yes, it's solid, surprisingly, but it's also a spinoff and should be considered outside of the actual games. >moviesLOL
>>741537939>the image a sonic schizo sees in his head before overdosing on his pills after seeing the latest game have tranny propaganda
>>741537518I just think its retarded to argue about the canon of a series that doesn’t care to acknowledge or adhere to it or actively changes its own setting with each new entry.
>>741535675Rise of Lyric was trash.Shattered Crystal was dull and uninspired.Fire & Ice was decent, but by the time it came out the brand was already six feet under.
>>741519826Until Sega can rescue S3 from the jackson estate, they will always be cursed
>>741538021where did the tranny touch you
>>741537939He outruns the salvation of death. Gotta go fast.
>>741538040Are you being disingenuous on purpose or are you just naturally like that?
>>741537939Why couldn't he save Mario?
>>741537939Sonic is deader than half of those characters right now, lol
>>741520762>Sonic Boom was a reboot that didn't need to happenSonic Boom was a spin-off. It was meant to be entirely its own thing, not the new mainline
>>741538202Learn the definition of “disingenuous” then come back to this thread. You get one try.
>>741538798Refer to here. >>741538202
>>741538856hot
>>741538856Me but replace Sonic with Amy and Eggman with Me.
>>741538569That's a lie. When it first came out, they tried to rename Modern Sonic into "Legacy Sonic". The whole purpose of Boom was to replace Modern Sonic in the same way the Adventure redesign replaced Classic Sonic.I still remember this PR damage control after the toy leaks.
>>741539625>That's a lie.>posts image that literally calls Boom an offshoot branch that will spin off while the original continueshuh?
>>741540112>t. the type of retard to fall for propaganda easilyJust eat your shoe and go play with the other kids.
>>741519826It was Sega's own fault. The game was supposed to be on the "big" consoles but Sega forced the dev to move it to the much weaker WiiU. Rushed porting, cut content, performance issues, all come from that decision.
>>741540260Ah so it's just schizo reading between the lines instead of anything actually ever put to page, said in interviews, or put into practice. Naruhodo.
>>741540410It's almost laughable how much you're exposing your low IQ like this. You probably believe every CEO's comments ever.
>>741540112That was the damage control, bub.https://web.archive.org/web/20220329185428/https://www.usgamer.net/articles/whats-next-for-sonic-the-hedgehog-and-friendsAlso lol at how Modern Sonic isn't modern Sonic but Legacy Sonic.
>>741537637>but there's supposedly been something of a war at Sega over what the direction the franchise is supposed to be with east and west partiesThis has been Sega's entire history since the Megadrive. The Sega CD + 32x and the Saturn were the products of the Japanese and American offices competing between them to see who could sink the company faster, and Sonic's continuous changes of personality are also caused by them trying to carry the IP to opposite directions. It's like seeing an autistic kid develop horrible traumas because his parents argue over everything but don't want to (or rather can't) get a divorce.
>>741540786I mean Sonic is at his best when he's being written in stories by japanese people that aren't trying to capture a large audience, unlike the west where it's just been always garbage past Genesis adverts.
>>741540786you'd think they would just let Western studios make games explicitly for the Western audience, while Sonic Team makes games explicitly for the Japanese audience, and wash their hands of it.I dunno. I could go for a full blown Archie style Western Sonic game which is some kind of action RPG with Freedom Fighters, and scary Robotnik, on fucked up cyberpunk Mobius.
>>741541330The last time they let a western studio make them an RPG, it was one of the worst games in the series and got them a lawsuit. I think they're good.
>>741541676well, that was post-shittening Bioware.
>>741541806Goalpost status?
>>741520762Even though Sonic Boom lasted for only two seasons. They still produced 104 episodes at 52 episodes per season. Which is pretty fucking insane. To me any series that can produce 104 episode is really not a flop. That shit could be syndicated for a long time.
>>741537404why are you in a sonic thread if you're just going to trivialize the fucking subject? you'd sound less retarded if you just said "i'm a feckless golem that has nothing to add to the conversation"
>>741519964Sonic the TANKhog.
>>741519826Can't even fucking do that right, pos game
And then they released Frontiers which was also negatively reviewed jej
>>741542904I mean Forces not Frontier. Frontier was awesome.
>>741519826Here’s a blast from the past meme someone made when they thought Sonic Boom was a reboot to mainline Sonic. Not so good times. This image is 12 years old and could attend Middle School.
>>741543034>sonic if he fortnite
>>741542798>no one should ever criticize how slop my franchise has become!>>741542936Frontier was dogshit, don't worry.
>>741543113It was clear that the devs where insanely incompetent, but it has soul
I predict SEGA is going to push some awful AI garbage into Sonic, piss off the fanbase that was keeping it on life support, and then fuck up Frontiers 2. After the movies run out Jim Carey, then that's about it for the franchise.They'll never have a lightning in a bottle, jesus coming down from heaven and taking the wheel miracle like Christian Whitehead and Stealth teaming up to make another officially licensed fangame to save the franchise when things inevitably get bad.
>>741543283>After the movies run out Jim CareyThey can at least squeeze out a Shadow movie with Black Doom as the villain, which is likely what the untitled spin-off movie they've slated is.
last sonic i played was adventure 2 and overall i preferred the first. is there any since i might like?
>>741543397Yeah
>>741543241What "soul"? They can't even get the fucking story right because the japanese want full control over everything while using Ian as a puppet, while Ian projects his headcanon and bullshit onto the cast and tries to act bigger than he is and canonize the whole franchise which is impossible. Whatever "soul" Frontiers had died past the conceptual stage. It is an embarassing homonuclus of a game praised by retards because controlling Sonic isn't the worst thing in the world and they're amazed by some of the most shallow character action combat to grace the genre. When you make it worse than Werehog, you have seriously fucked up.
>>741543397Like what?
Ready to feel old yet? Because it will be 10 years since Mania and Forces were announced, only for one of them to be good. But desu if Boom did shit all over the franchise and almost kill it AGAIN, I don’t think people would glaze Mania as much as they do and still do. It’s only remembered fondly for how shitty Boom was and nobody liking that direction the series took.
>>741543113>umm chud i'm lichurally allowed to criticize the franchise and if you have any problem with that then i'll turn you into le ebin greentext pwnage :)))>ummmmmm but you also can't say anything about sonic's internal consistency or else i'll have a conniption and talk down to you like a sassy twitter faggot like those epic reddit narration videos i watchdid you reply to the wrong post, by any chance?
>>741543373I suspect their long term plan is to turn Sonic into a merch/cartoon movie franchise for really young children. But the game and comic side of the fandom will be dead within a decade or two. The Sonic fandom doesn't really have the hardcore devotion and autists it used to. I can't imagine another Mania happening again, and nobody's really fostering the next generation of fangame makers, rom hackers, artists, musicians, etc.but that's more of an issue with the broader internet becoming very autist-unfriendly/creator-unfriendly in the post-covid world.
>>741543486>this good game would be not as memorable if the previous games were good! Some days I really wish there was a barrier to low IQ faggots like you that banned you from posting.
>>741523414Frontiers is going to to be 4 years old and there’s still no other mention of Sticks, I think that line was just Ian Flynn jingling keys.
>>741543486>only for one of them to be goodAnd thank god for that one. The other ended up being a shitty redundant romhack.
>>741520986Sonic 06 was a special game for 12 year old me, and the entire reason I started looking into the Sonic brand.
>>741524264Yeah, and after I saw the school bags with Sonic in H&M, I realized Sonic's future is kids now.In reality the whole reason I like Sonic is because it's a low popularity degenracy brand for people like me. But if it's going to stop being made because it's not finding a true audience I don't mind letting it go.
Sonic will never die as long as autism exists
>>741523825Heroes, 06, Shadow and Unleashed could all technically qualify for an "Adventure 3". They just didn't call them that or give them that pre-subtitle like for example (Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island)For me the criteria for an actual Adventure 3 would be at least:>Chao garden that expands on the last one.>Variations of It Doesn't Matter, Believe in Myself, Unknown from M.E, etc for the character's themes. Same lyrics, different tune. Plus an overarching buttrock song, all preferably sung by Crush40.>Multiple playable characters who's stories intertwine with the plot, and a final story with Super Form(s)>Stupid grandiose story that takes itself too seriously and not seriously at the same time.Do that and that would be a valid entry to the Adventure series for me.
>>741529336The main issue seems to be that Japanese gamers just really don't care about Sonic, and the same goes for japanese developers including most of Sonic Team itself.
>>741543438There's also the decline of competent level design in gaming in general. Most shit now relies on looping habit-forming bullshit to disguise the lack of internal progression. Frontiers isn't just damned by the faint praise of 'good for a modern Sonic game' but 'good for a modern non-technical platforming game'.
>>741519826>Sonic BoomConspiracy Badger was great. The cartoon was solid. Its a pity the games they were making sucked.
>>741543751The best part of frontiers is tweaking the game to allow you to go really fast, lose no momentum on jumps, and then just fuck around in the open world. You can almost see a spark of genius there, but the game is just too hastily put together to be amazing.If it was some big single fuck-off huge world like GTA5 with various biomes, city-escapeish cities and towns, with NPCs and some overarching atmosphere besides "open world asset flip", maybe it could have worked
>>741524187Sega is also bad at video game preservation, yeah so what if not everyone likes re-releases or remakes but we need to talk about this…Where the fuck is the GBA and GameCube games? Why are they not so easily accessible. At least Mario’s games are more accessible thanks to the NSO Apps.
>>741535970Yeah 2014 is particularly where I started to doubt Sonic, and Iizuka was the reason why Sonic Boom ended up looking like Mutated versions of Modern Sonic and not something wholly original. Big Red Button was trying to go clean slate and any time it looked too far away from Modern designs Iizuka stepped in to block them.Also SA2 is shit, and Forces came out immediately after Boom, not to mention Lost World. Even Sonic fans hate the "Two Worlds" explanation about the universe that Iizuka came up with.I like him, because he's an OG but I often get the feeling Sonic will finally become something good the day he retires.
>>741543787
>>741543862Why were all of the Game Gear games left out?
>>741524264Prime just came and went, it didn’t leave a lasting impact like Sonic X or even the OVA for example.
>>741543849>The best part of frontiers is tweaking the gameThis is easily one of the WORST parts of Frontiers and a core issue of why it sucks. This screams how much insecurity the devs had on their game. With how much developmental hell it went through, they probably couldn't agree on how the flow of the game should feel; but since the design of the game's levels are also ass, worrying about that is entirely redundant. The game letting you finetune it to "how you want" is a complete and utter insult to game design and the series as a whole. Games are supposed to be a vision of creatives uniting to bring you a unique experience they crafted together as a TEAM. Letting you change all the shit "to your liking" just makes it look like a bad rom hack. Frontiers has zero identity in any aspect.
>>741543963yea it's weird sonic origins plus was left out, that alone has almost if not more than the mario games on the left
>>741543034
Sonic will never chart these types of lists
>>741544037Also, on top of this, they're even inconsistent in their choice to let you be flexible, by making EVERY Cyberspace level HAVE THEIR OWN SPEED AND PHYSIQUES, SO LITERALLY WHAT IS THE POINT
>>741538378Anon, the 4th movie is next year.
>>741544161>Sega has 2 characters in a ranking in a Nintendo magazineLove to see it
>>741542798Cartoons are not serious. Therefore I am free to trivialize it, because It is a fucking cartoon series. No one cares about canon you autistic brownoid.
>>741544090The children of today probably know more about the Banjo of smash or that one video than the Banjo of the GTA clone.
>>741542798>don't you dare trivialize my heckin rubberhose cartoon animalsNTA, but you need to wear a helmet. For your own safety.
>>741529732More like Sega meddling nearly killed it, again.
>>741520418I can’t believe Shadow is 25 years old…
Along with Rouge.
>>741544363>filter slips and shows her face twiceWhy even bother lol
>>741544491I need Rouge with her Death of Sonic outfit but with a musclegut like Kunaboto's drawings.
>>741536946Because>Run to the end of the game lmaois an unsustainable game model/.
If you could sacrifice Sonic to bring back another Platformer Mascot who would it be? Could be anyone, even someone who isn’t on here. Obscure as you want to be.
>>741544317>NTA>followed by the exact same condescending twitter tonei'm genuinely not nearly as retarded as you think i am and trying to act like you don't care about sonic in a sonic thread just makes you look like you're desperate for attention
>>741526414They hate that she’s no Minnie Mouse
>>741544647Lol yeah, they could never make an actual successful, multibillion dollar franchise with THAT idea.
>>741528157Lost World is arguably the worst imitation ever, it goes against Sonic’s whole core identity of being a cooler faster alternative to Mario.This time capsule of a video is an interesting watch, everyone is so civil about Sonic and it being a brand franchise at the time going head to head with Mario, the internet was internet was still young, social media didn’t exist yet.https://youtu.be/inxKa65uUAY
>>741542285when did I say every Western developer makes good games all of the time?
>>741519964Tbf every time Sonic Team scewed the pooch the last 20 years, they've very quickly been bailed out by a 3rd party thats revitalised Sonic's reputation without Sonic Team doing shit.>2006: Sonic 06 happens>2007: Nintendo lets SEGA do Mario & Sonic at the Olympics >2009: Sakurai put Sonic in Brawl>2014: Sonic Boom so bad that SEGA started selling Sonic games for $40>Summer 2017: Headcannon make Sonic Mania the highest rated Sonic game>Autum 2017: Sonic Forces sicks dick>2020: Paramamount makes The Sonic Movie>2020: Sonic Colors Ultimate is broken garbage>2022: Paramount makes Sonic 2 Movie>2023: start selling Sonic games for $60+They literally coast of the fact there's competent external companies willing to use Sonic in a way that raises the IPs profile without Sonic Team.
>>741536413Close but not quite anon.You need to remember it isn't Sega that owns Sonic, but Sega Sammy. The latter is important as they run pachinko/gambling machines that generate 100x the profit that Crash and Sonic combined ever did. It's because of this money printer that Sega Sammy can release Sonic games, and they do so because they realize:A) They still want to make video gamesB) They realize how big Sonic is and if they ever kill him then the company is going to take a massive hit and leave many people pissed off.This is also why Sega Sammy doesn't give a fuck when people make romhacks or fan games. Their money isn't in Sonic. Sonic is a face to the west, but in Japan he's still like Crash is in the west. When I went to Japan more people knew Sammy's mascot rather than Sonic himself.
>>741536413>Crash 4 hit 5 million without an issue and the series was canned.Because TFB spend WAAAAAY too much money on the project. If you don't believe me, just look at the credits. Spyro Reignited Trilogy, same thing.
>>741528794>Sonic Superstars is also the prime example of them not understanding why Mania was successful.They got what they fucking deserved for choosing pic related over Christian Whitehead.
>>741544930I can't watch that video because I had the same idea for a video like that ages ago, but doing any research blackpilled me so fucking hard that I'm no longer able to enjoy the internet or fandom.It's unfathomable to see just how bad the internet has become and how low the conversation quality has dropped. Genuinely, the knowledge drives me mad.
>>741545060If picsreel was any indication, Sega did the right thing not calling Whitehead back. He really is nothing without an IP to back him.
>>741529439Chaotix is good
>>741524187It utterly baffles me how Sega is unable to make a good 2D Sonic on par with S3&K. There are legions of 2D sonic fan games with super high quality, but I swear Sega is so prideful they taking another fan group to make another game would be a humiliation ritual for them.
>>741529732>>741529869Cursed Franchise
>>741544932And there it is. Thanks for playing.
>>741544860Yeah.Mario literally evolved away from that shit, dumbass.
>>741545157You can have poor aesthetic taste but still be a great game designer. Realistically, nobody is competing against Sonic unless they make legally distinct mobians like Freedom Planet did.The Sonic characters have perfect designs.
>>741545231So true bestie! Real quick though, what was the last mainline Mario game that came out? Blunder? Plunder? The name escapes me... mind looking it up?
>>741545218literally where did I say that though?I said Sega may as well hire Western studios to make Western-ass Sonic games, and then allow Sonic Team to be Japanese as fuck with no impediments.
>>741532858>Tfw 06 was the last FULLY 3D Sonic Game
>>741537887Sega themselves are also a special basket case of insanity. Remember during the Saturn days when the Western team was making Sonic Unleashed and begged Sega Japan for the source code of NiGHTS Japan told them to fuck off. When the West got the source code they had to stop immediately as one of the higher up dev at Sega threatened to immediately retire.Also how they never fucking communicated, we got the 32x being born.
>>741545297Blunder is right.Failure of a game.
>>741545242>Freedom PlanetDicks out for how badly that series went.
>>741545242i like the way the game looks, with the exception of Penny herself, who is super bland and muddled.
>>741533225Losing the console war 25 years ago still seems to affect Sega to this day…
>>741537404>>741544261>>741544317you're the exact type of person to think that anyone wanting the mario movie to be closer to mario galaxy was expecting schindler's list out of it
>>741545330that was Naka. The industry's most unhinged man.
>>741543486All Mania did was receive badges and awards, but when it came to actual numbers and pushing the series forward, that's all thanks to Forces.
>Sega relies on Sonic!proof here right there that they never did
>>741519826Imagine a world where sega cans sonic boom the instant they reveal it and the fans reaction is negative and many years later fans still look longingly at the unreleased game and thing "what could it have been..."
>>741545458lmao
>>741545310The last time they got a western studio to make a game it was one of the worst games in the franchise. Seems to be a common theme!
>>741545389FP1 was great, FP2 had potential but the creator had autism and felt too pressured to one up the previous game, and doubled down on adding a story in the 2D furry scrimblo game, and it had to be a fucking romance story.Even a story heavy platformer like megaman zero has relatively little dialogue. I can't think of any dialogue heavy platformers that did it right.If your 2D game is story heavy, it almost has to be an RPG, or you have to abandon 2D and go full 3D with cutscenes.
>>741536946We’re gonna get GTA 6 and Kingdom Hearts 4 before we get another Sonic RPG. Screencap this.
the games are a mess, the fandom is a trashfire. they can't even host a charity event without things spiraling out of control.
>>741545547Last time they got a western studio to make a game it was Sonic Mania, technically.
>>741537404Cute Maria- I mean Alice!
>>741537939KEKW
>>741527271>HaloExistence is debatable
>>741545616>they can't even host a charity event without things spiraling out of control.I didn't watch it but surely thats what happens when a company puts a bunch of random youtubers in charge of an event for their biggest IP.
>>741545551>the creator had autismEither you don't know or you're ignoring the transexual elephant in the room. I'll leave that for you to find out about.>Dialogue Heavy PlatformerMost of the n64 Rare Platformers fall under this. But none of those stories tried to be a juvinile attempt at tackling colonialism....Classic mode should be unlocked by default.
>>741544665>Mario>Alive
>>741544185>Anon, the 4th movie is next yearCrossworlds bombed. The movies are about as consequential as the comic.
>>741545816I don't care if adolf hitler himself made a game, I'll buy and play it if it's fun and competently made
>>741545816>you're ignoring the transexual elephant in the roomtrannies being a hotbed of drama should probably go without saying
>>741543727But enough about Pokèmon
How the fuck do you fuck up a game where all you need is >Gotta go fast>Sonic>Cool stagesThat's literally fucking it. Fuck furries btw.
>>741545878So you really care if Adolf Hitler made a game and are very made that it gets pointed out. Noted.
>>741527271>>741545783Certified Halo fag here. It's fucking dead. It's so joever that AI slop remake of the first game is STILL gonna be shit and undersell compared to what they want. It's NEVER gonna reach anywhere near the level it was in the 00s ever again. Not even a fraction. They murdered a literal generational cultural icon through sheer spite and incompetence.Pokemon has degraded, only oldfags care about hat fortress, but Halo? The ruin of that franchise is far worse than both.
>>741545864>Crossworlds bombed.Yeah, it wasn't as successful as MKW. How many DLCs has World now? Such a hit series wouldn't be abandoned like that, right?
>>741545816She's a lovely person. Don't be mean.
>>741544185We’ll get a trailer any day now
>>741546087Forget it, anon. This is 4chan in the modern internet of 2026. Everyone's made up their own minds and people only want to shitpost, ragebait, and hate everyone else.
>>741546087>>741546182Don't try to tackle complex adult subjects you have very little understanding of. Also, the Water Dragons deserved to be genocided for creating a bioweapon.
>>741546087>she
>>74154618315th was amazing. Even if they shit the bed with Sonic 06, Rivals and Riders was released during 2006. And you had stuff like Summer of Sonic35th has been a huge nothing burger
>>741545491Popful Mail Sister Sonic…
>>741546049>Nonsense point of comparison to a game that sold 15million and rising to distract Crossworlds didn't even sell the 2million SEGA were hoping for by April.Enjoy Sellout Racing Crosspromotions, I'm sure more random nickleodeon and anime characters will close the gap between it and MKW lmao. I'm sure $130 for the game and two season passes is great value.
>>741534183I liked the first gameI'm never buying the second game
>>741546290and what of it?
>>741546363More like 1 million (+ 14 million bundle tip)>Enjoy [getting new content]I will, have fun roaming around in the same open road for a year straight.
>>741529324>dogshit boss fights>emphasis on multiplayer>gimmicky emerald powersjust do time trials, none of that shit is there
>‘You know what? We don’t need you to make any more Sonic games. We’re good. We’re done with Sonic.’I bet ya, Toshihiro Nagoshi said that shit
>>741546302>ok so the gimmick is we're gonna put the puyo and sonic 35th anniversaries together>merch>arle gets in crossworlds>that's itway to piss off both fanbases at once.
>>741546087Troons are ALWAYS degenerate fuckups that deserve spite at minimum. The fact that anybody even knows, is already proof of this. Because a sane one wouldn't try to force the world to play along with their schizophrenic delusions.
>>741546657that's a lot of aggression you're carrying
I'm just saying, turning "Water Dragons" into "retards who fucked up their genes with science" was a bad idea. At least the Earth Dragons being aliens was believable.
>>741546183As a celebration, the 25th has the most going for it.
>>741546556Trannies are abnormal and not accepted. Simple.
>>741546807then i guess the judge of all the earth has spoken
>>741546837And everyone with common sense. Thanks.
>>741546897me, I believe in the extended hand of friendship. I believe in the love of my fellow man, no matter how warped or bizarre. To walk this Earth like Christ before me, that is my mission.
>>741519964One single armenian man is keeping it afloat all by himself.
Even if Sonic dies, devs are still gonna keep imitating him.
>>741543017This looks like garbage, dude.
>>741546727YWNBARW, pedophile. 41% yourself. Even though this place may have degraded and been filled with zoomer retards, it is still 4chan and we still fucking hate pedophiles.
>>741548063performative levels of mad
>>741547030No one cares tranny. Embrace your insecurities and better yourself instead of living a lie. Thanks.
>>741548116simply one who has learned to love and not hate, friend.
>>741548186I don't befriend people who lie to themselves. Last (you) you'll get from me. When you wake up and learn to love yourself, then I'll take (you) seriously.
>>741546183It's actually a bit funny and mostly pathetic how it's only now of all times people obsess over the Sonic anniversary traditions.
>>741537568And that's a good thing.
>>741537568in the same quarter century that sega has failed to kill sonic despite ranging from severe abuse to criminal negligence, disney accidentally let mickey mouse die.
>>741548716>disney accidentally let mickey mouse die.That wasn't an accident. Four star woke general Bob Iger was too busy sucking dem cock cause he wanted president. Dude ruined Disney and thus, Mickey is now in the public domain.Eat shit, bobby!
>>741528306Frontiers and Shadow Generations are good games my dude. Frontiers was my game during my mom's Chemo treatment. I remember taking her to the clinic and while waiting I was playing Sonic Frontiers on my Steam Deck.
>>741523414Why does Amy want to take an underage child to a trip?
>>741549130you can take road trips with the your wife and the kids. this is a thing that normal people do. there are even movies and shit about it.
>>741549064Okay. And?
>>741549296He's saying that the essay you wrote meant shit because the emotional connection to a video game trumps whatever pseudointellectual shit you were trying to spew.
>>741549512He is correct.
>>741549512Then I move on because I can't weep or care for every young retard who doesn't know any better on asserting memories from last year to shitty games. Do you have anything else to say?
>>741531831Unleashed was fine, 06 needs to be THE stain in the franchise again.
>>741519826>Game is 1/10>Show adaptation is 10/10Any other examples like this?
>>741519826God if only this happened to Mario.
>>741519826It always was and still is at a low point. Except some literal autistic americucks no one fucking cares about sanic.
>>741519826Damn, a shame it didn't work.
>>741550259Cyberpunk 2077
>>741547036I kek'd hard at this, thanks anon
>>741549512>recounting history is suddenly pseudointellectual nowStop using terms you don't know the meaning of.
>>741519826Its still not in an upward trend, soooo.Frontiers fucking sucks btw
>>741519826I liked the tv show (for the most part) much like aosth it was heavily carried by robotnik and knuckles weirdly enough.Fuck those games though actual slop.
>>741550361It's happening to Mario as we speak, except they're failing upwards per usual.
>>741548312Why you so mad tho
>>741552048Seething that Mario is successful because he has consistent games?
>>741519826Some of the fans can create far better stuff than SEGA, then again that isn't a high bar. SonicTeam are as talentless as GameFreak.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0https://www.deviantart.com/tale-dude/gallery/56875445/fanmade-sonic-skyline-comic
>>741545458Forces underperformed so badly Sega never even bothered to post sales numbers for it, something they did for Mania.
>>741519826I don't care about the game but the tv show was great
>>741519826>saved the series by continuing to release dogshit low-quality games just as they had beenBravo
Why are NIHONJIN like this?
>>741519826Weird because it was the only 3d sonic game ever that seemed to have some actual basic leveldesign that the other turds lack so hard, failing at the concept stage for a 3d "platformer".Wasn't hat wiiu exclusive? That is more of an issue than anything else.
>>741537939>comic becomes 100x funnier over time by accident
>>741543017this looks awesome dude holy fuck
>>741546183I hope whoever made this was alive in the 90's
>>741543017This looks great without the pixelated mess from earlier
>>741543017This looks like a colonoscopy.
Pizza Tower did 2D Sonic better than any Sonic game did.
>>741556917Bait used to be believable.
>>741545157This was a better Sonic game than Frontiers.
>>741557450>>741557304
>>741546581It's a shame because the level design is generally fantastic. But there's just so much bloat that's only really there to justify its own price tag.
>>741519983The show was handed by a french studio with little to no input of Sega outside the mandate.
>>741519983It didn't translate into merch or game sales. The show having sardonic millennial appeal is nice for Youtube clips after the fact but it doesn't matter if it doesn't make money.
>>741536247This isnt in Sonic Team hands, they even like Sticks, she was featured in some Sonic Channel mini comics, used to have a bio in the site until it got redesigned and even showed up for Runners as a playable characterCurrent theory is that Sega wants to pretend Boom didn't happen even if it means removing Sticks from recent appearances
Sonic was never good.
>>741556917Bubsy 4D did 3D Sonic way better than any Sonic game did.
I’m still salty about Sonic Blitz being more Mobile Slop.
>>741546092Game awards like movie 2.
>>741560635Scourge...
>>741561345CrossWorlds - KinoRumble - EhChao Tales - NiceDC crossover - Nice art but eh storySonic Blitz (original release) - EhSonic & The Blade Of Courge - Kino
>>741527271TF2 just never got a follow up and stopped updating, no crash-and-burn decisions with multiple bad games. the Switch pokemon games are ugly as shit on a technical level but the series was pretty sound up until thenHalo you're probably correct, that's a decade+ long fumble
I think people forgot how dire things were back then. Mania really saved they're ass. Now the only thing supporting the franchise is the movies, so it hasn't gotten too much better.
>>741519964They haven't spent real money on a Sonic game in nearly 20 years.
>>741549887>Then I move onClearly not if you made that reply. Next.>>741551320He shifts his rant to include Puyo Puyo and Yakuza, which did nothing to the original point; the gist of his post could've been three sentences max. It's pseudointellectualism trying to convince itself it's saying something more important than it actually is. Did I break it down for you, sister?
>>741557450I've heard people say this multiple times, I tried it finally a few weeks ago and it's insanely boring. All the "high skill" moves are very easy to execute and you can obviously skip huge parts of the level design on your first playthrough just by buttrushing the gates while spamming your billion movement slop options.And it just never gets fun. It doesn't really reward you with speed, it doesn't get the adrenaline pumping. It wants you to stop and fetch quests mid level.This is without even going into the aesthetics and story. I was honestly a bit surprised how lackluster to bad it was.
>>741545991>>741545783You are right. Halo got rightfully executed. Absolutely no one puts up with 343 gaylo except for a few thousand toxic positive soiredditors. When the demake drops we will see Halo and Xbox getting shuttered by Microsoft suits.>>741561706>crash and burnTF2 got raped into irrelevancy by MYM. Casual is simply incompatible for a nonserious pub shooter designed for being used with a server browser. The bot crisis happened because of MYM. The shit nigger tranny emporium hats and maps happen because of MYM causing Valve to give up on TF2. MYM raped the server browser so hard that it's a wasteland - thanks to MYM, it's near impossible to find a 45 minute TF2 server consistently. The final comic was just a "fuck off we're done" from Valve.The only reason why TF2 hasn't been shut down is money laundering and toxic positive soiredditors giving Valve money for damaged goods.
>>741520483They can only make the games if they can pay the devs, which only happens if the games sell, which is the impressive part.
>>741554194We're almost 10 years since the last 3D Mario, consistent my ass.
>>741526414You know why
>>741569518There is one Mario for console generation bot 2D and 3D. So it's consistent right now. Seethe harder sonicbab.
>>741569727>There is one Mario for console generation bot 2D and 3DMario Galaxy 1 and 2 on the Wii? 3D Land and World on the 3DS/Wii U? And 2D Mario was never one per generation as far back as SMB 1/2/3 on the NES.
>>741552048>>741554194>>741569518the problem is not Sonic, or Mariothe problem is that Nintendo has a nice repertoir of games, Sonic Team doesn't. Even the SEGA "classics" are mid at bestMario can survive some years without games, Sonic can't
>>741545157Outside of the main character's design, what's wrong with this game?
>>741543946>so strong she breaks the treeWhy is this arousing?
>>741570204>3D Land and World on the 3DS/Wii U?Yes? One for 3DS and one for Wii U. One per console.
>>741526414Iunno.
>>741571380Console generation is a very different term from just console. The Wii U and 3DS exist as part of the same console generation despite being different systems.
>>741544936Dont forget the Sonic Boom tv show fooled thousands into thinking that shit ass game had something worth rescueing, im 99% sure not just Mania but this show fooled people into thinking Sega was capable of making a good Sonic game but "they just needed time, confidence" and other bullshit excuses.
>>741543946Not bad for slop.
>>741545458Forces was only ever reported being played for free on subscription services, not having a single concrete sales number.
>fast forward years later>sonic's last game fails and sega goes bankrupt>they hand chris chan the IP as their last hopeWould chris fix the sonic franchise?
>>741536247Oshima's not a vindictive asshole wtf
>>741573901Assuming he miraculously stays out of jail?...maybe.
>>741545492>>741555001>>741573326Here's what we do know>Forces sold more than Superstars>Superstars sold more than Mania>Therefore, Forces sold more than ManiaComprende?
>>741537939There's 6 other mascots besides Sonic in the top, but only 5 graves on the bottom.This implies that Mario is off fucking Amy Rose.
>>741520541>credits sonic mania with saving the franchise>totally abandons head cannon
>>741574802>Forces sold more than SuperstarsCitation needed on any Forces number, let alone being higher than Superstars.>not Frontiers (people always mix these up because they start with F)>not Speed Battle (the mobile game)just Forces
>>741574495He was already deemed unfit to stand trialSo unless he rapes his mom again he is out of jail
>Sonic was really at a low pointSonic has been at a low point for 25 years minimum
>>741572621That never happened
>>741519826SEX with Sticks.
I'm surprised how there's still many genuine contrarians about the Sonic series but i guess i shouldn't since we're on 4chan
>>741575404If you didn't pay attention to the best sellers on the digital stores idk what to tell you - especially on Switch and PS4>According to the report Sonic Forces, Yakuza Kiwami 2, and Football Manager 2018 all had powerful performances in the market, to such an extent in fact that the company sold more than 14.3 million copies in retail, translating to a 76% increase in the quarter year-on-year, even though they released fewer games. And we both know Yakuza and Football Manger doesn't sell as well Sonic does.
>>741519826Rise of Lyric alone did more damage than 06, it caused Sega to lay off more than 300+ staff and outright shift focus to mobile. They were going to rely on mobile shovelware for the foreseeable future until Runners ended up bombing spectacularly. Sonic almost became the next Pac-Man, essentially.
>>741528306To be fair Unleashed did well enough to keep Sonic viable until Colors which did well enough to allow Gens to thrive. Forces all but killed the IP until Frontiers.
>>741543787Please post more Sticks
>>741576152>Doesn't post a source
>>741564405You'rs one of them newfangled early 20s tranny sonic obsessed freaks ain'tcha?
>>741546087>lovely person>Trooning out along with apparently being a sperg to work with slowed down the development of FP2 for YEARSI'm sure he was the life of the party.
>>741576813Retard copy and paste the fucking greentext do you want me to wipe your ass too?
>>741576152 >>741576813https://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/settlement/2018/20180207_3q_siryo_e_final.pdf
>>741576872I just wonder what happened to his wife and kid.
>>741576921404'd
>>741576835>esl>tranny obsession out of NOWHERE
>>741577005>ESL trying so hard to not be seen as an ESL that he doeen't know how certain vernaculars worklol
>>741519964Is it? Sonic has mountains of merchandise, most video games IPs do not. Sonic is nowhere close to Pokemon in success but it's a similar concept where the video games are more like advertising to push the brand.
>>741577134"You'rs" is not a vernacular. Nice try, Pablo.
>>741545157Explain how this game would be bad if it played exactly the same but with Sonic characters instead of Penny.
>>741564405Factuality is a bizarre thing to seethe over.>>741576623Again, the damage was done... and objectively speaking, Forces was nowhere near as bad as Boom and certainly not 06. It's just the worst made "put together" Sonic game and everything about it is horribly atrocious. The game kept Sonic alive in the cultural sense which is arguably more important; it's just that he became a laughing stock again when the next major game literally focused on OCs after the series developed a reputation of being cringe and filled with crazy people thanks to faggots like Chrischan becoming more notorious and the slew of stereotypes made about the fanbase. Also the story was REALLY bad.
>>741577320>crying this hard over a typo I accept your concession.
>>741577448Because it's not a Sonic game.
>>741576945Assuming the wife had no hand in him trooning out, hopefully she and the daughter got away and found a nice normal life elsewhere. If the wife did have a hand in it, then I hope she is in the ground and the daughter with smarter grandparents.
>>741519964Sonic is a multimedia franchise thriving off the goodwill of people who don't want to outgrow it or people who latch onto it growing up now. It would take some Kathleen Kennedy, Paramount with Star Trek, 343 Halo or Amazon LOTR level blunders to put it out to pasture. Not that Sonic doesn't have some glaringly big blunders already, but Sega isn't going to maliciously kill it. They're like hopeless idiots with it.
>>741577753>pulled a 'NO U' when provided the FACT that he does not originate from an english speaking country >then proceeds to say "ESL trying so hard to not be seen as an ESL"lol lmao
SEGA HIRE THIS MAN (OR WOMAN). HE MADE AMY NOT A USELESS FAGGOT THAT CAN'T JOKE.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmcEuocbSMAPH0Cdu0neR7qOYrOad6dB_PXEnPRM24Y/edit?tab=t.0After this we need to make Sonic Skyline a reality. https://sonicskyline.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_Skyline
It's here. Thread's over.
>>741519826Nah, if Sonic 06 didn’t shut down Sonic, fucking nothing can. That game was abysmal from top to bottom and it’s impossible to play without running into numerous bugs. I’m shocked Sega allowed it to be put on store shelves.
>>741577663>Being called out equals seetheSure, ok.
>>741574802There are things that are more important than "muh sales". We want the games to be good too.How the hell did Forces push anything forward, when it only took things from Generations, and did them worse somehow? Do people like you even like games, or do you just support "the brand", and live vicariously through a corporation?
>>741578869>How the hell did Forces push anything forwardBeing disingenuous only gets you so far. Forces was essentially a reboot and everything since 2017 was built off said reboot. This isn't debatable. This means there's actual progression in the games now, instead of each game being an individual adventure barring sequels. IDW was entirely built upon the foundation of Forces regardless of how you feel about it, you can agree that bought more attention to the franchise. And that's not to mention Forces debuted the HE2 which in all definitions is pushing a series forward.You can dislike Forces, I don't care. but to deny it's place in the growth of the series is utterly retarded.
>>741578015You should honestly kill yourself, schizo. No one will miss you.
>>741579338Forces never happened. Sega ignores it like they did 06.
>>741579338It genuinely did nothing. If it inexplicably sold well, it was almost certainly because of sales, pack-ins (you can get it in a multipack with Sonic Racing), and parents just straight buying slop to keep their kids quiet. No one has ever been enthusiastic about Forces, or felt that it reinvigorated the brand.
>>741579685uh oh melty!
>>741519826>game not made by sonic team> hat was thrown on the wiiu after being developed on an engine not supported by the wiiu> just to get rid of an obligation to nintendo who deemed sonic worth getting exclusivity for> by a studio that was being mismanaged to hell even before the wuiu thing>nearly killed sonicWhoever was calling the shots really was a retard.
>>741580054You just know it was the most out of touch sales/marketing-minded executives from the american branch that made this mess.
>>741580193Someone thought the WiiU would be popular enough to justify three exclusive Sonics, thats how it started.
>>741580193Does the American branch do literally anything at Sega since the 90's?
>>741580267Not really. They lost most of their autonomy when the Saturn died.
>>741580261it was a valid business move. The wii sonic games no matter how much you shit on them carried sega because nobody was buying their HD games.They just couldn't anticipate that nintendo was going to perform a group suicide with anyone who joined to develop for wii u
>>741579789>>741579867The topic isn't if people like Forces, it's whether or not it pushed the series forward, and it did - especially compared to Mania.
>>741580707The only thing Forces did was prove that anyone who prefers a serious take on Sonic is a fucking moron.
>the "forces sold better than mania" schizo shows upYeah time to wrap this shit up, thread's over.
>>741543017God I hate fans and their "just fly over everything" ideas for level design.Spark 3 was the only time I saw it done passably well, because it actually punished flying over certain parts and actually did a lot of vertical shit, and even there, the author tried to give players a reason to stop and do combat, and it was the most dogshit gameplay ever devised by humans.
>>741544665Klonoa, and let Sonic Team handle the new game.
>>741519964>survived being cut out on the Saturn generation>survived the death of SEGA’s consoles>survived the Sammy merge>survived 06>survived Boom>survived ForcesIt’s impressive really
>>741578638They allowed it because they didn't give a fuck about control quality
>>741580780Why is Sonic Frontiers the best selling 3d sonic game? Genuine answer, please.
>>741581251More like it had to be out by the end of Sonic's 15th anniversary, quality be damned.
>>741581242>putting Forces on the same level as 06Chill out a bit, anon>>741581310It's not, Adventure did way better
>>741545389I remember them giving us a dev update on this game SIX FUCKING YEARS after the trailer and FIVE FUCKING YEARS after the last playable demo of a stage with 2 characters, and the update was just them saying "we're 15% done"I had not called any studio lazy since Notch, but I felt it fitting.
>>741580780It's not their fault the story ended up like shit, se had the worst writters for a possibly more serious story at that time.Not that i want more serious stories too, there should be a balance
>>741519951The animated series redeemed that Knuckles for me
>>741581664Japs wrote Forces.
>>741557450Yet it has 5 players on Steam
>>741581404Adventure sold less than Heroes before Heroes was toppled by Frontiers. Look it up.
>>741581310The movies. That's it.
>>741580267They run the twitter account. That's about their most successful output. And it only really was notable when sonic did brand shitposts before brand shitposts were common and normies started recognizing Wendy's for it instead of Sonic.
>>741536078I solved world hunger, I just ate a burger.
>>741581820Adventure and Adventure 2 are the only 3D Sonic games with almost 10 million in sales
>>741582038And where did you get those numbers from
>>741528529Hey, that LP group was pretty big back in the day, and campaigned for niche franchises. It's also thanks to them that we got Metal Wolf Chaos in the west.
>>741582245https://breezewiki.com/vgsales/wiki/Sonic#3D_platformers
>>741543729I love Heroes, but what Sonic needs is a hub world that's not dog shit.
>>741582381Valve doesn't release sales data on Steam. How did 3 million people buy Sonic Adventure DX on Steam?
>>741582381I’m going to trust SEGA over a bunch of 3rd party data collectors, thanks
>>741519983Boom wasn't that good until the second season and you could tell the showrunners were just doing whatever they wanted because they knew the show wouldn't get renewed which is where all the memable clips come from.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox_8HtAGbnY
>>741582704Click the cited source
>>741519826Sonic Boom is the only part about the Sonic franchise I like, was a comfy cartoon.
>>741582831I did, now show me where it says 3 million sales. Please hold my hand and show me the numbers, or your entire claim was a lie that meant nothing.
>>741583003No
>>741583051That's what I thought, bitch. Take your fake numbers and insert that many cocks into your ass.
>>741583206No
>>741536146>Sega seemingly embarrassed that it made them look incompetent, never ask those guys back to make another gameThey literally did though, but they were busy with Penny's Big Breakaway, and probably didn't want to deal with the shit work conditions as last time. Sonic Mania 2 became Superstars with Arzest. https://gameinformer.com/2023/07/26/why-didnt-sonic-mania-2-happen
>>741577005It's better than be Mexican than being a tranny. He will live longer than you
>>741579338>Forces was essentially a rebootThis is nonsense, as the core conceit of Forces is the Phantom Ruby bringing back past villains. Why would anyone care about characters no one's met before in this rebooted continuity?>and everything since 2017 was built off said rebootIs Blade of Courage based off of Forces? Are the live-action films based off of Forces?>This means there's actual progression in the games now, instead of each game being an individual adventure barring sequelsSo is it a reboot or not? Does the past matter or not?>IDW was entirely built upon the foundation of ForcesAs a consequence of being built off of the entirety of Sonic games released up to that point, with Forces being the most recent one. If there was another game afterwards, it likely would not have had as much influence.>And that's not to mention Forces debuted the HE2It actually debuted in M&S Olympics 2016 a year prior, so it doesn't even get that honor.>but to deny it's place in the growth of the series is utterly retarded.The series was just as much in disarray as it was before it's release as it was after. Maybe even more so, as it shattered the belief that returning to the Unleashed/Colors/Generations template was all that was needed to get back on track.
>>741584592Reboot is used loosely. Around the time of Forces, there has been a push for continuity and more serious stories. And everything that came after followed what Forces and Sonic Team internally decided to be consistent in the Sonic universe, which is why IDW starts the way it did.>Is Blade of Courage based of Forces? Are the live-action films based of Forces?Who knows? Is it in the US yet? Has the story wrapped up? We knew from the beginning that the movies were separate from the MAIN games and consumption material. I fail to see the point in bringing up; you might as well bring up Sonic Boom.>So is it a reboot or not? Does the past matter or not?Yes, I don't understand what's difficult to grasp. The games after Forces followed the rules/mandates that the game and ST decided on. You can have a reboot and let past characters be a part of a character's past without having to make a whole new game about it.>If there was another game afterwards, it likely would not have had as much influence.But there was, so there is an influence, a pointless statement.>The series was just as much in disarrayWrong, this series has never been on this much of an upward trend since the 90s.
>>741519826it should have died then, the little bitch hasn't gotten a good game since sa2b
>>741543017This is essentially the game Distance but with sonic instead of a car. That is a good idea. The replies saying this looks bad would have to hate distance as well they are shitting on it becuase its sonic and no other reason.
>>741586557Generations is literally the best modern sonic game lol
>>741536146Sega refuses to acknowledge that the biggest problem with Sonic is themselves. Literally - L I T E R A L L Y - anyone else that takes a crack at the IP knocks it out of the park, but Sega itself constantly trips over its own dick. The entire management side of Sonic Team needs to be fired for incompetence but it will never happen thanks to Japan's obsession with seniority trumping everything else in the workplace.
>>741582943Not ''was'', it is a comfy series.
>>741519826How do you kill that which is already dead?
>>741548980Only more 24 years until the year 2050!
>>741587950I would pounce on Amy and eat her out
>>741590503Oh.
>>741579789>gets referenced in Frontiers a lot>IDW is Forces: the comic>gets a level in Shadow generations>Infinite was the main villain of the audio dramaThey don’t ignore it at all. They reference 06 all the time too.
>>741588692>Literally - L I T E R A L L Y - anyone else that takes a crack at the IP knocks it out of the parkSonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood.
>>741590758Don’t be a disingenuous twat, we all agreed to ignore that one
>>741581749Japs wrote the scenario. Pontac and Gaff wrote the dialogue.
>>741544936I still don't understand how Sonic Team goes from making Adventure 1 and 2 to '06. Was there a massive firing or some shit? Did they start overworking and underpaying the fuck out of employees?
>>741591040Sonic Team in general has fairly high turnover.
>>741590843Sonic Boom: The Rise Of Lyric
>>741591040If only there were two games inbetween that would explain this...
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