>beg Ubisoft for Japanese Assassin's Creed for years>they finally make one and give us thisWTF were they thinking. Do they just hate gamers or something?
>>741526393I think they seriously thought we would be excited to buy. I still can't believe they did it. I'll also never buy this game despite always having wanted assassin's creed Japan.
>>741526393besides how fucking huge he is, it's funny they made Yasuke look as unthreatening as possible
>>741527330He hasn’t been modded out yet?
>>741527330One streamer I watch was temp banned for streaming the game before the "embargo" lifted, even though it was a stream sponsored by Ubisoft and they agreed in writing to allow a stream at that time. They're absolute clowns.
>>741526393They literally could not help themselves. They had to do it.
The sad thing, yasuke could have worked, just have him work for the templars, have him act like a retard around nobunaga, but when he confronts you he's clearly more than he seems.
>>741526393Yasuke is popular in Japan so they thought he'd be popular in the West.
>>741527706AC games do not like modding outside of minor parkour tweaks or skins changes. Even if you could he's a major part of the story. He's the intro of the game, he meets up with Naoe and is a major reason why she knows where to start searching for Shinbakufu members, he has the entire Templar story, two separate groups of assassinations are tied to him, a good third of the Shinbakufu makes no sense if you play Naoe over him, and he regularly helps out during specific scenarios including in the new epilogue where he saves Naoe and they team up to kill Eamon.He's also by far the best character to play in the end and postgame because he clears content Naoe takes 30+ minutes to do in like 5 minutes and in general overworld exploration he's faster due to being a man since Naoe has debuffs to swimming, walking through snow, rowing, and climbing hills specifically. Naoe moves faster, can climb faster, and is significantly better in towns and castles to take stuff out from the shadows, but in general Yasuke does stealth moderately well and he two-shots basically everything even on Nightmare.
>>741528087Global Rule #3, hold your tongue.
>>741528083No, you don't even need that. Use the Taka story that was already canon with Nobunaga going insane because he found a Sword of Eden and have Yasuke being someone who was planted there by the Assassins as a spy and pass messages to Taka and Naoe about targets they can take out. It's such a simple and braindead way to deal with having their cake and eating it too but no, they had to make him playable. You could have legitimately made Taka take Yasuke's place and outside of some racism for being black and being a giant nothing in the story would change.
>>741528083No the game is supposed to be about an Assassin so a playable 6 and a half foot tall wide shouldered linebacker black man with dreadlocks is inherently stupid.He could've been there as a supporting character sure but to be playable is just silly. Its called Assassin's Creed.
the idea of a black samurai fighting for nobunaga sounds cool in theorybut i think assassin's creed was the wrong franchise to explore that
>>741526393They made the choice that would get you talking. Congrats on helping make it profitable.
>>741528547pardon?
>>741528439Does it though? I don't think there's anything special about being a black anything. In the same way I wouldn't think there's anything special about being a white anything in a black or asian country.The real world themes of racism really aren't that interesting or deep. Fantasy racism is so much better and usually incredibly fascinating.How often do you need "heh you are buracku gorilla monkey in fancy armor hoho dance monkey" followed by Yasuke btfo'ing them in some way? That's what it'd be.
>>741526393People worked hard to fuck up what should have been the easiest slam dunk in the history of the IP.
>>741526393They should have just made him a major side character AC has always been interacting with prominent historical figures, and they either help you or they are part of the Templars, it wouldn't be hard to say he is a member of the Brotherhood who got sent to assassinate Templars in Asia but due to bullshit and bad timing he got stuck being some glorified bodyguard to a Daimyo who more as a flex to the others in court of "Look everyone! I got a man with dirt skin, pretty cool eh?"He can't escape as he would be a sore thumb, and he knows he is constantly being watched by Oda, but he still wishes to complete his task and find a way to fuck off the island, and he needs you to help him to finish the task he has been sent to do, as he helps the protagonist with their problems somewhere down the road as the story progesses Or that's how I think on what they should have done with him
I can't wait for the day that time travel is finally invented so we can go back in time and record Nobunaga screaming the hard R at Yasuke while chucking banana peels at him and laughing.
>>741527872*White people were okay with Tom Cruise and Nioh because they're racist and don't actually care about anything they profess to except not having their fantasies of white supremacy called out (let alone upturned).It's not hard to understand.
>>741528659it is a ridiculously good template for a "fish out of water rises in rank and status" type of storyi think it would have been better as something not tied to the assassin's creed franchise
If the protagonist has been like Jin from Ghost of Tsushima the game would have sold bare minimum 4x what it sold.
>>741528928Three for free incoming lol(R)ape's always in these threads
>>741528547>Congrats on helping make it profitable.It's so profitable that after just a yearish they're already dropping support to rush into Black Flag Resynced and Hexe while Odyssey got updates for 3 or so years and so did Valhalla. Even Mirage got an entire new map and story content 2 years after its release.Outside of Claws of Awaji (Which was paid DLC), the content added in Shadows has all been extremely short. The AoT content was longer than the Isu cave for example, and the current content they just added a few days back is shorter than even one run of the roguelike mode they added in Valhalla on a whim. I cleared the Ego story in like 30 minutes (Which was with the stealth section being a bit weirdly structured and the firewall section being ass because Yasuke is given two awful weapons and told to kill tanks that two-shot you) and the Black Flag bridge epilogue in about an hourish. The only thing I have left is the MOD content and from my understanding since I am past 100 this is going to be a joke.
>tfw Kassandra shows up in the Black Flag Remake
>>741528139Didn't they get sued by the Japanese government?
>>741529030honestly, this screenshot is a major part of what i don't like about the assassin's creed franchise. the whole game-within-a-game thing is just a vestigial leftover that went nowhere.i'd say the tsushima games did a lot to pick up where shadows failed, but they made a woman the protagonist so the people critical of the black samurai weren't going to play it anyway
>>741529030>tripfagShut the fuck up.
>>741529228there was a blip about the destruction tech being applied to all in-game tables, including ones with religious significance, that was patched and forgotten aboutubisoft did lawyer up to combat online harassment, but it didn't have anything to do with the japanese government
>>741529213>Templars are now confirmed to know she exist, implied they know she's existed for a significant period of time, and yet no one talked about her at any point that even the Assassins didn't know about her.
>>741526393Hire a lot of retarded femoids and degenerate cucks at Ubi, get AssCreed George Floyd edition.
>>741526393How entertainment industry is so jew'd, you can't unsee it
>>741526393They released this shit after several other games done in their style came out with a historical Japanese setting and none of the Asscreed story baggage, completely mogging them. It was over before it even began.
>>741530376Joji of the Furoyido clan...
The funniest thing is that we don't even play as a fictional son of Yasuke OC that you would expect of an Assass Creed game, but the ACTUAL CHARACTER. Is there any other AC game where you play an an actual historical character?
>>741526393>Do they just hate gamers or somethingYes, pozzed people have a vendetta against normal people.
Many potential negros with disposable income that would like the idea of a black man as a main character. It's a "growing" market in the eyes of Shekelstein so go figure. This is the only logical explanation i have for this. I get it, i think growth is very hard to come by, the market sort of hit a cap. I wouldn't want to be a shotcaller at one of these companies.
>>741526393DEI, Blackrock money, simple as
>>741532549You can play as Jack the Ripper in Syndicate's DLC but that's about it.
moose give me the mini-review for shadows, is it worth playinmg. I like odyssey and avoided valhalla cuz it just seemed too far away from asscreed and I thought the setting would be bad but I was blown away at how good end it ended up being. Beautiful game and it addressed a lot of issues people had with Odyssey, I genuinely enjoyed exploring it.
for me, it was the squid game level
>>741526393Haha assassin's creed black fag
>>741527330Game came out way too late. It started development when Blackrock and Vanguard were paying every media corporation to produce propaganda and the public got fatigue from it and movies/games/books/commercials/etc releasing now are all destined to fail
Taxpayer funded humiliation ritual
>>741528439maybe like 25+ years ago, its way too racism coded to do now
>>741526393This was unironically the best Assassin's Creed in over a decade with by far the best stealth in franchise history. Shame Ubisoft shot themselves in the foot
>>741526393>WTF were they thinkinghubristhey thought people would eat up whatever DEI slop they put out, and that they could silence any dissent calling people racist
>>741528324>No the game is supposed to be about an Assassin When was the last time you played an Ass Creed game? They're action RPGs now. Also the Jap chick was the assassin so Ubisoft let you choose your own Playstyle
they wanted to break a buck
>>741526393Yasuke was never a controversial figure until this game. Before this people thought he was a cool character. What happened?
>>741533219>Before this people thought he was a cool characterno they didn't
>>741526393Ubisoft are OBSESSED with diversifying the protagonists ever since 5 gaming journalists shit on them for Unity having no playable female characters in the multiplayer (even though every character in multplayer is just supposed to be Arno) This is why they started doing female protagonists and even making them canon over the male versions to the point where the next game is literally about playing as a witch
>>741532929>Jack the Ripper in Syndicate's DLCOh is that the first time an AC had a jewish protagonist?
>>741526393I am just thankful they did a pretty good Egypt game
>>741532960>StoryRevenge plot for 90% of it. 10% of it is personal stories with the Kakushiba Ikki (Assassin Brotherhood before Naoe was born) and Templars (Tied to Yasuke's backstory). Epilogue is Templars. Second epilogue they just added is more Templars and establishing the Brotherhood.Targets are mostly fine. They're fleshed out enough but not super interesting outside of a couple.Play on Canon Mode or you don't like AC games.>CharactersNaoe is mostly just bloodthirsty and heavily revenge driven until the very end of the game. In Canon Mode she is convinced to do it a bit earlier.Yasuke is mostly just there for a while but then ends up being the only actually character that is properly developed throughout the game. Problem is everyone important sucks his dick and says how amazing he is constantly. I actually liked him way more than Naoe outside of the dicksucking, he just shouldn't have been a playable character.>GameplaySignificantly improved. Probably the best RPG combat and it's a good sign if Hexe improves on this.>There's random loot but it's all pointless because Legendaries are always better than Epics with the sole exception of Yasuke's weapon and only one of them.>Naoe is fast and nimble but dies quickly and deals low damage.>Yasuke is slow but extremely tanky, traverses difficult terrain faster, and completely OP.>Enemies have an HP bar system now which makes the stabbing issue far more tolerable because of how it's implemented.>>If you play on the baby difficulties (Below Nightmare) you can instakill with assassinations.>>If you play on Nightmare (Which you should) then from the start you can do 2 bars of damage, there's a head piece in the tutorial area that gives you another, and that covers about 85% of enemies in the entire game. Once you level up a bit you get 4 bars and that covers everything but Elites (Super rare) and assassination targets. The kusarigama Rush Assassinate lets you add 2 more bars, and endgame gets you up to 5
>>741533298Even Japan thought he was cool
>>74153321910 years of forcing an unpopular cultural agenda in corporate media and marketing do be like that
>>741533298The "black samurai" was always a popular trope
>>741528193HAHAHAHAHAHAHA where the FUCK do you think you are?!
>>741533219>Before this people thought he was a cool character.Who? He was a curiosity at best, just like he was to the Japs that owned his black ass. No matter how eccentric Nobunaga was reported to have been, did you ACTUALLY believe one of the most isolationist nations on the planet was just giving random niggers the land rights, equipment, and training afforded to feudal samurai? The dude was carrying Nobunaga's cape and maybe his wakizashi.
Guys, just saw the news. Guillemot is dead.
>>741532851its funny to even think that when a majority of thugnigga urban market would just be GTA SA territory urban war game all fucking day AND NO ONE IS FUCKING MAKING IT
>>741528845I agree. every assassin you play of in the series is supposed to be a historically unknown person who acts in the shadows. This game is the first one to make an actual historical person playable and it's obviously politically driven
>>741533459Is this Hellblade 2
>>741533471>>741533420>proof is some random manga no one has read and guilty gearkek
>>741533487Obviously I'm referring to depictions in media
>>741533513Nobody wants to get compared to GTA and Saints Row. One of those is dead though so maybe when GTA loses its monopoly on "thug life" video games you'll see more shit like 50 Cent Blood in the Sand.
>>741533603My point is nobody ever got mad when Yasuke or black samurais appeared in media until this game
>>741533471it certainly was not popular. though ubisoft made sure it would never be popular by using it to push their own brand of incendiary political bullshit
>>741532929Even then, it's clearly a very ambiguous and officially anonymous figure
>>741533713because it wasn't ubisoft. huge difference
>>741526393No, they just hate Asian men.
>>741533728Explain what was politically incendiary about this game
>>741527330>white guythen the timmies wonder why everyone hates them
>>741532960>>741533385>Stealth has been both heavily improved upon due to the foliage, prone system, seasons, and how they set up enemies in the world but also made worse because enemies can't climb rooftops which is unbelievably broken because they can't climb it so it's easily exploitable even though they try to reorient to see you up there.>Fort/castle design is by far the series' best, bar none. Everything is designed around you playing as Naoe and discourages Yasuke due to how there's almost no arrow resupplies to play stealthily with him while there's so many ways to escape, reposition, and assassinate people as Naoe. I love it.Until you actually understand how the game's stealth and detection works and how Brutal Assassinations work it's kinda hard to use Yasuke stealthily, but once you do and understand Silent Arrows it works out pretty well. I pretty much only clear out the Corrupted Castles with Yasuke because he does it so quickly.>Season system is fantastic and it's a good thing Resynced is bringing it back. Really hope it stays from now on.>Master Assassin stealth difficulty should be what you play on even if the guards can sometimes have ridiculous line of sight like this because they actually see you stabbing someone in the open and constantly investigate sounds.>World DesignMixed bag. Anything that they personally had a hand in designing is solid. The kobuns, the cities, the castles, roads, and even the smaller bandit camps. The temples and shrines are constantly reused which gets really boring but they're significantly more varied than Odyssey's sanctuary setups for example, and they make some of them actual big areas to clear out instead of just small locations.The bad aspect is that anything off of a road or that they didn't personally design is procgenned. The trees, the bushes, the hills; it's all automated and you can tell. Going off the road and not playing as Yasuke or on a horse means you've now ended up on a slip n' slide.
>>741533778But they like asian women?
>>741528930Nobody would want to play as a nog in Japan, sorry plebbit buddy.
>>741533831anti-japanese
>>741526393Remember when all the chuds were pretending this game was offensive and controversial and kept trying to manufacture outrage? And then the game actually came out and nobody cared anymore? That was funny.
I was hype for this I don't care that the dude was back but this game sucked ghost is way better. Going prone was cool though and the chain weapon.
>>741533494Guys, a guy just died and we’re not going to talk about it?
>>741533924>And then the game actually came out and nobody played ityeah i member
>>741533985I think they should just fully embrace the whole RPG thing and not do a half-ass job of trying to balance it with stealth action like the old game.
>>741533635ah right I forget, that market is strongly strongly attached to very specific brands
>>741533924>And then the game actually came out and nobody cared anymore? That was funny.we had daily threads laughing at the report of "players" troon
I'd rather play a Gigga Nigga in a more modern japan
I think whitey and takashi kun wanted a story similar to ghost of tsushima.
>>741533713Because the niggers have been trying to steal everyone's shit on social media. They are trying to steal Egyptian culture posting shit they were the real Pharaohs and also trying to steal all kinds of shit like Viking dreads. Everyone is just tired of it.
>>741533831Yasuke is treated like a person of high esteem when by all accounts he was at best a guy who held Nobunaga's swords which as a concept caused his entire history to get picked over with a fine-toothed comb and now the man who even perpetuated him being a samurai has been depersoned due to his lies yet they still insist in the story he is.Yasuke is constantly told he's amazing by basically everyone.Yasuke is not punished for murdering a bunch of people en masse as a foreigner let alone a gigantic black foreigner despite canonically being a ronin during 90% of the story. He and Naoe only get random ronin hunting them down due to the Shinbakufu putting a hit out on them and that's it. None of the city guards care. He's carving up half their population and they sell stuff to him just fine.If you don't play Canon Mode you can let Yasuke have sex with a Japanese woman (Oichi) who was historically extremely devoted to her dead husband and never remarried which caused a lot of controversy within Japan.If you don't play Canon Mode you can let Yasuke have sex with Ibuki, a they/them.Ibuki is a they/them.Ubisoft itself got in trouble for how they used the torii gates in their marketing material.Ubisoft literally stole reenactor's crests and materials which got them in a bunch of hot water with I think the law system at the time.Ubisoft stole random katana designs from One Piece of all things.>>741534094No one likes the RPG aspects. They have been doing their best to get away from it precisely because the #1 complaint ever since Origin has been its existence and how it gates you from areas, gates you from stabbing people, and how it ruined combat with magic. They even listened to the complains and Shadows has a Canon Mode that removes the choices because it makes no sense at all that you can make choices.
>>741533219>>741533713Its because everyone lied about him then doubled down when proven wrong. It went something like this>some harvard teacher wrote about Yasuke being some of Nobunaga trusted lieutenant or some shit>made it out to be a true story>ubisoft took the bait>once the game was announced people who knew otherwise did some digging and showed proof it was a lie>ubisoft doubled down that it was true>you cannot defeat the internet hate machine>the internet continued to blast the proof with more proof>eventually the harvard teacher got outted as a hack and whatever he wrote about Yasuke was stopped because it was all a lie
>>741526393Ubisoft has been pushing strong female protagonist in this shit series for a long ass time and they were always disgusted that when given the choice gamers pick the male option always (Jacob in Syndicate, Alexios in Odyssey, Malevor in Valhalla).They knew gamers are more racist than they are sexist so they made the male option black on purpose.
>>741526393Crashing this plane with no survivors
>>741528845>prominent historical figuresHe was a le funny footnote in history not prominent
>>74153371317 people play guilty gearno one cared because no one noticed
>>741534598Jacob was a garbage character, has the worst outfits, and played significantly worse than Evie due to not having invisibility. His only gimmick was one single instant kill in combat via his pistol and was otherwise terrible to use. If you actually used him normally you were just an idiot, plain and simple.
>>741533325It still pisses me off that they ruined Odyssey's legacy by making Kassandra cannon when it was obvious that Alexios was supposed to be the main character based off all the concept art.
>>741533219He wasn't controversial when people gave him an inch in media, then he started taking miles and miles around the globe.
>>741534427the author was a full blown jewish political grifter and it's unsurprising ubisoft carried water for him because that's exactly what they areit's yet another example of them just pissing on people and telling them it's raining. nobody buys it anymore
>>741526393I can't believe the Japanese government placed sanctions on Ubisoft over this game
>>741526393soon
>>741533219>Yasuke was never a controversial figure until this game. Before this people thought he was a cool characterHe's fine as a minor NPC you can ignore.
>>741526393Naoe is very cute.
>Start up the MOD content.>MOD mentions she has a store.>Look at how many items just Yasuke can buy let alone Naoe.>Then look at the cost for them.>There's also like 50 Engravings per character.Oh no. Oh no no no. This is giving me River Raid flashbacks. This is going to take months.
>>741536326Or you could just be smart and not waste your time on trash, not that being smart is possible for a tripfag but still.
>>741527706Nexus Mods deleted and banned mods and authors who made mods that replaced Yasuke, claiming it was "racist"
>>741536452I 100% these games. Not doing it is not an option.
They got cucked by GoT and decided to make a hate letter to chuds.
>>741536487That's incredibly sad. Consooome some more, fellow goy.
>>741536487Odyssey was a nightmare due to the amount of pointless bullshit it had.
>>741536554Odyssey's 100% was mind numbing but Valhalla was so much worse in the long run. The base game of Valhalla was fine, but River Raids alone being a minimum of 100 hours of extra grind was beyond insanity and then they added the Roguelike mode and like five playstyles you had to max out. I still think I have one left to finish because I forgot about it.
>>741526393>French makes a game>French only knows about niggers>Lets put it in a fan request, Japan>lets hire a jewish pedofile weeaboo to who made up shit about an pavement ape and use it as historical reference>Organization gets taken over>one of the founders just dies in a helicopter crashnot enough blood.
>>741536535I mean, I already have.
>>741536487>507 hoursHonestly, I respect that. You clearly enjoy the game and are having fun. Keep on keeping on, Anon.
>>741526393>Ubisoft says they're now committed to portraying all people's realistically and without stereotypes>Yasukes combat music is a trap beatCouldn't make this shit up if you tried.
>>741534890And for some reason the female Evior is canon even though it's supposed to be a reincarnation of Odin or something like that. Ubisoft knows that 90% of the game's playbase are males, and the boxart of Odyssey and Valhalla have men on them so they have to tacitly admit that, but despite that, they make all of the women options canon>>741534847Dumb trip missing the point entirely as usual. Most people want to play as men and not women. It isn't hard
>>741537642That's the Black Panther effect. Blend stereotypical African tribal shit with terrible rap music to the point where it's almost offensive
>>741526393>want to play assassin's creed: ninjas in feudal japan>forced to play as Mbele Okembe the juggernautOf course they hate you
>>741533368Maybe, but the entire Witcher 3-lite approach was a mistake. They should have picked apart Unity/Syndicate and continued with that approach. AC did not need to become a generic action RPG, by Ubisoft's self-proclamation.
>>741526393Even in the face of financial ruin, Ubisoft STILL had to push the modern liberal progressive propaganda. Unfortunately for them, players reached and sales made are not synonymous.
>>741526393It's staggering. Japan was basically their "break in case of emergency" because ninjas would pair so well with AC. Turned out to be their biggest fumble. And GoT stole their thunder.
>>741526393No, they hate whites and honorary whites
>>741528324Assasin is not necessarily sneaky ninja kinda guy. A 6-foot tall linebacker black man walking straight through your flimsy japanese paper wall and caving your skull in would be called an assasination all the same.
>>741528928Tom Cruise was the audience surrogate, but the plot revolved around Katsumoto and the burgeoning of Japan into the "modern" era.Nioh only had William as a playable character in 1, and it's a fantastical take on Japanese history from the start when it introduces spirits and Yokai as major parts of the world and narrative.You're a faggot who just hates Whites and wants to push whatever gay shit possible why trying to play it off as just being "historically accurate". Then when that fails you claim it's just fictional anyway, so why should anyone care that they portray historical figures in such a disrespectful manner. Go be a faggot in traffic.
I simply refuse to believe you niggas care about fucking AC enough to be upset about this. It's Assassins Creed: Even if both main characters had been fully japanese people, the game woul'dve still sucked ass because its the same ubislop theyve been reheating for decades
>>741538702But ubislop is fun. After a couple beers, but still.
>>741538702>care enoughI like to point and laugh at big popular crap messing up. Same with Star Wars fucking up
>>741538764Really? You truly mean to tell me there's anything left to it after the 15 or so recycled titles theyve been shitting out? I'm sorry but I hold people to better standards than that, I'd rather believe this is just election tourists or grifters than accept the idea someones taste could be so abysmal
>>741526393Of course they do, it's feminists and dei hires that hate you and your culture which is why they have no shame about ruining everything. The only solace I have found is piracy and knowing these clowns are getting fired and they'll be going back to fucking bagging those fries.
>>741526393they hate asian males
>>741526393I believe part of it is that GoT ate their lunchand in a panic to appear different, they decided to have a main character who wasn't Japanesebecause of that decision, that's when they picked a negro because they certainly couldn't have put a white man as the protagonist
>>741538008>even though it's supposed to be a reincarnation of Odin or something like that.This is literally explained in the game. There are two steams of DNA, a male and a female. The male DNA stream is Odin. The female DNA stream is Eivor. If Odin is a female that means none of the mythological story makes any sense as it means she futa impregnated multiple women.The entire story is about how the Isu pulled an Aita and put their DNA into humans that would activate after a set amount of time had passed and then try and overtake or merge with their host. Half the point of the story is that Loki thought Odin would resurrect in a man and the twist is he didn't which is why he was so confused why Sigurd wasn't Odin but Eivor. That plot point makes no sense if Eivor is a man since he was having the same visions Sigurd was having.>Most people want to play as men and not women.Yeah no really, it doesn't change the reality that Jacob is a worthless character to the point you don't want to play him because of how bad of a character he is both in story and in gameplay.>>741538861>I'd rather believe this is just election tourists or grifters than accept the idea someones taste could be so abysmalAC has been enjoyed by people here since AC1's launch. I literally only bought AC1 because of the threads here saying how much they enjoyed it and wouldn't stop talking about Clay's schizo blood drawings on the wall or joking about surviving hay pile Leaps of Faith.The same applies to Call of Duty which was talked about here nonstop when CoD4 came out, then again with MW2, and interest only dropped after Blops 1.
>>741528250using a username is gayer than having a nigger in feudal japan
I'm pretty sure Japan sued them because they were THAT retarded.
>>741539273>AC has been enjoyed by people here since AC1's launchThat is a fucking lie, the last time before Shadows AC got threads in any significant amount on /v/ was during the Syndicate release because of the controversies of the game not working and them not having any female NPCs on the multiplayer or something, I cannot recall Odyssey, Vallhalla or Mirage getting barely any threads at all...and why would they? They're all the same slop over and over, nobody with even a modicum of taste is gonna care about AC by this point and I see no reason Shadows would've been any different even if the main character had been a jap
>>741539429>That is a fucking lieNo, it absolutely is not. It's not as significant nowadays specifically due to Shadows but people here still talk about the series constantly and it's fairly easy to find at least one or two threads a day about it.>I cannot recall Odyssey, Vallhalla or Mirage getting barely any threads at all...and why would they?Because you don't pay attention.Origins had threads out the ass, half "WE WUZ" posting and half actual discussion about the games for months. Lots of bitching you couldn't assassinate people too.Odyssey filled the board with threads to the point that there was always one up either bitching about the RPG mechanics not allowing them to assassinate anyone, posting the penis statue, or arguing Kassandra vs. Alexios.Valhalla had threads for literal years, particularly focusing on the content that came out at the time or complaining about how boring it was. This was one of the few games I managed to get a discount on fairly early so I got it earlier than usual and had no problem talking to people here about it.Mirage was the first time in years where discussion primarily only centered around the launch period. Past that almost no one played it.Shadows was the only game where outside of the controversy discussion no one talks about it. Outside of me there's like maybe four guys here who ever played it enough to actually talk about it and I"m pretty sure only one other guy besides me has even reached the ending let alone Claws of Awaji.I don't disagree that we're not having threads at the frequency we had with 1, 2, Brotherhood, Rev, 3, Black Flag, or Unity, but they're still regular enough.
>>741539926I dunno, I don't think any of those can be compared to the sheer amount of constant threads Shadows has been getting. It just feels completely disproportionate to how much people show be caring about this franchise by now
>>741533368>egyptian game>expect to play as an egyptian>hear him talk>MUMBAPTU OOGA BOOGA DO U KNOW DE WEY>hired a fucking nigerian to play an egyptianmore dead ubisoft suits, thanks.
>>741534772that's fantastic news actually
>>741526393Ubisoft saw 90% drop in valuation under the faggot brothers leadership, I guarantee the whole Yusuke bs was enabled by themAnd now one of them is dead
>>741540147Shadows threads are primarily bitching about Yasuke while showing the AoT cutscene, the non-canon Ibuki gay kiss cutscene, or the non-canon Oichi romance. I've been in the majority of them to occasionally talk with people who actually played it or other games. It's not really discussion about the games at all because next to no one bought this game. You only see them a lot specifically because of the controversy which nothing but Origins really had since Unity and 3.There's also not a lot of Shadows threads outside of new update releases which is why there's some now (Final update), the AoT update (Due to the stupid cutscenes, it being a crossover, and the out of context Kane/Kinu comedy quest where they think Naoe and Yasuke are gonna kiss due to being idiots), and then there were a few when Claws of Awaji came out because people thought the game was dead since they were mum about it for ages. There were also several threads when that article came out around Claws of Awaji saying "We ignore the haters and only listen to the fans since there's no reason to listen to people who aren't playing our game" before they added the AoT and Isu cave content. We didn't even get any threads when the DBD crossover happened nor when the Critical Role content came out, or at least none that I ever saw.
>>741527706People have to like the game to consider modding it anon. Nobody is going to do the work of the devs for free.
>>741540581AC games in general don't really get mods. It's usually just tweaks to the parkour mechanics, some sort of skin change (Yasuke did get some goofy looking white guy skin mod if I remember right that instantly got banned off the Nexus), or a cheat table to give you the paid items for free in the RPG games. They're not mod friendly at all.
>>741526393>[Wu Tang Clan fades in]
>>741533420>>741533471Japan has always thought Yasuke was a cool historical legend that got folk lore exaggerations, but it wasn't because he was a black guy; it was because he was an exotic concept. It's not about racial social brownie points, it's because they want to put something unique in among the cast of Japanese and occasionally other asian characters that can stand out. But people brainrotted by Twitter will just assume any black character in a Japanese story is now the social justice police.
>>741526393Fake Jew historian UbisoftKicked out of Japan
>>741538702This is like seeing my most hated restaurant come out with a new grand opening to stave off closure, spending millions on ads for the big splash, and they come up with a fusion of swedish fish balls and goat testicles and expect to sell it in san fransisco. Watching them crash and burn is extra delicious>food analogymama mia
>>741541087You have a 'most hated restaurant'?
>>741534772do you think that when they crashed, his scream went like this: "AAA"
>ghost recon wildlands, far cry 5, ac odyssey, splinter cell blacklist all based>ghost recon breakpoint, far cry 6, ac valhalla and shadows, lmao no more splinter cellnigga what is you doing
>>741541386Exactly the same thing, but worse.
>>741526393One of the funniest monkeys paws in all of gaming. >everyone wants ass creed to go to feudal japan since like ass creed 2 in 2008>make every setting they can think of besides Japan >pirates, vikings, Egypt, revolutionary war>finally make ass creed game in Japan in 2025>make the samurai you play as a black guy
>>741541386A push for live service, severe overlap degradation, and eschewing what quality they had in favor of just more sequels. Which is funny to say in light of FC5 and ACOd, but with hindsight it makes all the sense. Don't forget that they were making a Ghost Recon battle royale, had XDefiant that they killed in a year, the Skull & Bones catastrophe that forced a government to hold them to a release date, and so forth. I'm shocked we don't have a Division 3 but I'm pretty sure those devs got strangled to some other bullshit elsewhere at this point.
>>741526393>Do they just hate gamers or something?Just now getting that, are ya?Also, who would have guessed that a black samurai was an idea so terrible it would bankrupt a mega corp like ubisoft.
>>741541580fully backed by canada and blackrock, suits laughing all the way to the bank
>>741541605ohoh right now i rememberthey had the Division devs make that Avatar game and Star Wars Outlaws, yeah now shit tracks
>>741541605I thought The Division 3 was in development? There were leaks a couple years back from what I recall.Honestly, Skull & Bones still being alive, getting new content, and in general being supported is beyond surprising to me since almost nothing has changed they just keep adding new legendary ship fights and forcing the playerbase to remake their ship builds from my brief views every time I see it pop up on Twitch's rewards.
>>741527330They metooed their chief creative officer, and the new guy had new ideas. >>741527965The sheer level of incompetence from Ubisoft was astounding. Their rep in japan may never recover.
>>741526393You sound like a picky baby
>>741528928"Always give the audience what they want and do not give them what they do not want."-Sun Tzu.
>>741528930Yasuke's actual history would have been more than sufficent. What they gave us was a complete fucking joke.
>>741529213>Game reads your save and imports Alexios instead.
>>741527330I can sort of understand how this happened now. Ubisoft is french and have you walked through Paris within the last year? Yeah they thought Black People were everywhere even in modern to ancient history.
>>741529228No. It got brought up on their equivalent of Parliment, because of blatant IP violation, and the concern that the game would have people Johnny Somalling it up around the shrines. Ubisoft did do some emergency rewrites. And japan has had 5 shrines burn in the last 7 months, although that might not be directly related.
Did this game end up losing money or not? I really want it to have lost money.
>>741532960At best it's a play once and forget it. Since it's ubisoft, you can get it for practically free anyways at some point.
>>741526393They thought kamala would win and continue the Biden degeneracy.
>>741526393>Do they just hate gamers or something?Yes. They fully subscribed to the "gamers don't have to be your audience" spiel and it wound up costing them their company.
>>741532549They really wanted to justify their decision to have a black lead.It seems like we're finally almost at the end of the terrible decisions brought about by george floyd's overdose. The final stage will be anut jemima returing to our syrup.
>>741533124Still mogged by chaos theory.Also, fucking seasons changing in the middle of raiding an outpost.
>>741527508I think a 6'8 man mountain decked out in Samurai hardware is pretty fucking intimidating.
>>741533459They really did an AoT years after the wet fart of an ending put in the same category as GoT for "long running series we no longer want to think about"
>>741540259Well it's better than having a fucking Arab.
>>741533219Do you understand exactly how badly they fucked up with him here? Having him be a hatamoto? Having his female romance partner be the Emperess mother and one of the most famous women in the entire era?>>741534339And this is just the abridged list. >>741533420>>741533713>>741541031A difference between obvious fantasy depictions, and this, where they claimed it was historical. See also Netflix yasuke.Pic related. It's a type moon yasuke.
>>741538702My family cares. So I care.>>741533325...and of course asian doesn't count as diversity.>>741533494But not the right one.
>>741539417Did not go to lawsuit. But it came close.>>741534772Dude. He was one of the few grey execs who was still playing games at launch. Of course he only cared about the crew and tracmania., because of thrustmaster.
>>741526393Ubisoft has subscribed to the ideology of the captive audience.The basic premise is that at some point you will have trained the audience to buy whatever you make, so you no longer need to appeal to them. So you instead focus on appealing to a new audience, relying on your old audience to buy it anyway whilst appealing to a new audience, growing the number of sales this time around.It's complete horseshit and doesn't really work.
>>741541748Ubisoft is in complete chaos now. Nobody knows what's really in dev anymore except Hexe.
>>741542195Even if they had insisted on a black lead, they did it in the most retarded way humanly possible.
>>741528547In the past year I talked about Concord a lot. That doesn't mean that Concord was profitable.
>>741542602Seriously, that slave idea they had that they randomly cancelled was infinitely smarter. People already love Ade, I have no idea why they thought that wouldn't be an appropriate way of doing it. Literally all that game had to do was address the actual issue of slavery without suddenly guilt tripping every person at the time and blathering on about injustice in modern times and people would have likely accepted it. It's also really telling that when that cancellation was announced people were actually all for it because it's an underutilized setting that made sense.
Do you think Ubisoft man died afraid?
>>741532929isn't jack the ripper indian in this game? or like he lived in india and went insane?
>>741533219>people that don't care vs people that do
>>741543436No, he was an orphan taken in by the Assassins in England, went to India to train with Greenie, and then went insane because Jacob was really bad at raising him after the training. You're mixing up Evie marrying Greenie and going to live with him in India or picture related with him being from India.
>>741542934It's the Captain Falcon dilemma. >Marvel wants to make a movie starring a black superhero>Falcon is black and has been around for a long time>marketing realizes nobody really wants to pay for a Falcon solo movie, people demand it but no one actually wants to watch it>so they decide to strap the Captain America costume on him and hope it'll be enough to make the character recognizable that non blacks would want to watch it >people celebrate the inclusivity forgetting that this is the same company that didn't want to make a Falcon movie in the first placeIt's the exact same situation. Japan is Captain America. They wanted to hitch a black character to something super popular to insure it wouldn't fail, in this case Japan, the setting everyone wanted to play in.
>>741527965>simp enters the threadSeek help bro. Why are you so worried about your little streamer mans income? Jesus.
Is odyssey any good? I think Alexios looks kinda cool in the MtG art at the bare minimum
>>741545143Do you like Assassin's Creed or not?>YesNo, it's bad.The Eagle Bearer is one of the mostly poorly written MCs outside of Eivor, Shay, and Jacob unable to take a firm stance on anything and flipflopping between their beliefs constantly.The introduction of dialogue choices contradicts how the Animus works and makes no sense. Kassandra's canon ones are also awful.Layla's side of the story is even worse as she undermines so much stuff established from previous games.The RPG mechanics ruined gameplay as now you have to choose between which of your three playstyles are even going to be usable unless you play on the lowest difficulties.Stealth was ruined because now you are required to dump tons of effort and time into the Assassin tree just to kill anything with a gold name, and if you want to assassinate Mercenaries or your Cult of Kosmos/Order of the Ancient targets you need a very specific crit build that leaves you at 25% health permanently to do so or it's not possible. You also can't hide bodies or do a lot of stuff you could in Origins.Ship combat is the worst of the series because it's Origins' but without Aya's ships to actually kill stuff.Level scaling is pure cancer.Main cities are devoid of life compared to even Origins.LotFB is the only time it feels like an AC game.>NoIt's a time waster.As an RPG it's whatever. The builds are very basic with there only really being like four-ish you can realistically go into, the choices you make are 95% irrelevant to anything other than the exact story you are in and even then it basically just changes a few lines in most cases, and the relationships you can get into are instantly forgotten once you have the fade to black sex.Exploration is very boring as you're constantly visiting the same copy-pasted camps, doing the same copy paste snake maze tombs, seeing the same randomly generated camps appear, there's a system that causes you to have something happen every 30 or 60 seconds, etc.
>>741545704I appreciate the breakdown
>>741545704If Black Flag was for people who don't really care about AC and just wanted to be pirates with ship gameplay, then Odyssey is a fantasy action RPG set in ancient Greece where the draw is chasing the next loot drop.
>>741545756If you're a Greekboo and you want to see stuff from that time period it's fine if you want a virtual tourism thing at least regardless if you like AC or not. I'm not so it was just whatever to me, but there have been tons of people here who loved that aspect of it.
>>741545704>The RPG mechanics ruined gameplay as now you have to choose between which of your three playstyles are even going to be usable unless you play on the lowest difficulties.>mfw this shit meant you had to maintain loadouts with different equipment sets
Ubisoft seethed that most people didnt play the female character in odyssey despite using her in the ads and calling her the canon character so they hate their audience for sure
>>741545903ubisoft got buck broken over female protagonist from journo comments about unity. since then they've kept trying to push one into the games. I especially love retroactively deciding who the canonical character is.
The premise of forcing diversity into games is based around an idea of putting the ideology before everything. Video games arent fun time wasters, their vessels for a message and that message is that black people exist, deal with it chud. This wasnt the time or place to try getting brownie points from black people and was a failure in terms of trying to make sure no one thinks your comapny isnt racist while making profits.
>>741545143Odyssey has one of the best AC mechanics which is ironic because it would be an insult to call it an AC game. The Cult hunt is probably the best "templar hunt" seen in any of the games due to it being paired with the huge open world and making it feel like they actually exist in the world itself. Something that Valhalla refused to bring back on such a scale. You can actually run into targets by accident because they exist outside of missions in the world. I think the game is fun, the merc system is really interesting and gives you an endless supply of "boss" enemies and the never ending war gives you free roam stuff to do but it's not an AC game in the slightest.
>>741545990what do you mean? order is in and some wander.
>>741533713no one went so far to say that black samurai were based on reality like ubisoft didyazukes claim to fame is that he was the first black person in japan right? so why did you make him assassin, he would stand out from the crowdand ingame he isnt even an assassin, he cant sneak around or do the famous ubislop parkour like naoe can
>>741545969>make sure no one thinks your comapny isnt racist while making profits.All they did was piss off the Japanese with their marketing by being ignorantly racist towards them the whole time kek.
>>741545848Or just settle for the 100% crit build so everything worked 100% of the time. The 25% health thing was irrelevant in most cases.
>>741526393This was the only good thing to come from Shadows.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89bztUO2JuE
>>741526393The entire idea is ridiculous as he stands out too much and would be a point of scrutiny in Japan even now, let alone in the overwhelmingly homogenous historical periods.Outside of that, it's clear that he was just shoehorned in because some dev/manager REALLY wanted a black character.NONE of the previous AC games had you play a historical character as the MC. Not to mention that in most games you played as a native to the region. They were always side characters and Yasuke would have been an interesting NPC you complete a few quests for and then he joins at some big battle if you did his questline.They broke away from how the franchise treated their characters since the very beginning (again, main characters, DLC stories not included).
>>741545814If the other anon isn’t pulling my chain and it’s like a Greek equivalent of Black Flag I might check it out if it’s on sale, since I did really enjoy Black Flag
>>741546046As I said, it's smaller in scale and the wandering is rare, most need to be "found" in order to see them in the world and unlike Odyssey, they make no sense. Cult members in Odyssey are people of power, they're in a lot of places that make sense for a group that literally runs the Greek world. In Valhalla, they can be literal hobo like NPCs like some blacksmith in a worthless village, it's very lack luster.
>>741545848it had some bizarre choices for sure. like, why would I NOT want to use critical assassination by default if I've unlocked it? yet they still made it something you had to press and hold a button to pull off. adrenaline flows so easily it's not even worth association costs to it.
>>741526393who cares when ghost of tsushima exists, and is better at being assassins creed than nu ass creed
>>741546176not equivalent. it's a game that will appeal to people who don't really care for AC itself that much. if you strictly want more of black flag there's always rogue.
>>741546176NTA that spoke about it being like Black Flag but it has elements that feel like an open world Black Flag but just know the ship combat is a little bit more bare bones.
>>741546298I appreciate it anon
>>741546162>Outside of that, it's clear that he was just shoehorned in because some dev/manager REALLY wanted a black character.which is funny because they already did that AND it was associated with slavery
I saw a webm of Yasuke knocking someone's head off with a club like a baseball bat and honestly for that alone I'm kind of considering waiting 5 years for it to go on sale $15 so I can play it for 7 hours and then drop itIs it even good for a nu-AC game? People said that about Odyssey but I dropped that shit fairly early on too, and if that's still the high water mark for this series then I might not even bother with that.
>>741546134Excuse you, there's also the pretty solid Ezio's Family version that works really well on Eamon's fight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au235t3uBGANaoe is also a qt even if her character is pretty underwhelming, most of the actual enemy movesets are great and fun to fight (Barring enemies that constantly dodge roll like shinobi), the map itself is gorgeous even with the procgen, the seasons system is great, the prone mechanic should have been in the series from day one, Naoe feels great to parkour with since she flows even better than Arno all over the place, and you also have the best castle designs in the series with how everything is set up.>>741546176It has the ship content but it's only somewhat like BF and Rogue. You have to build up Adrenaline (A meter near your health) in order to use attacks that actually deal damage via applying a fire DoT and the attacks doing about 1.5x more damage. Ramming ships is almost never worth it outside of initiating battles (Webm related) since the damage is so low, and it's such a pain in the ass to fight 2 or more ships.The level scaling is pure cancer on top of this because you never once get stronger since everything scales to you at all times which makes ship battles at higher levels even worse.You will also never hear ship shanties unless you are staying still because any ship being within like 500 feet of you stops your people from singing.The individual islands are also fairly large, there's nothing like BF or Rogue where there's small islands outside of the one where you upgrade the Spear of Eden and I guess Lesbos.If you want more Black Flag then Rogue is what you want, not Odyssey.
>>741546176the boat sucks in Odyssey, it lacks the punch and boarding is tedious
>>741546326Totally fair, I doubt even the remake will get the ship combat as good honestly. Odyssey does sound more up my alley than I initially expected.
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>>741533368Ever since I played this I've been spoiled on the auto run toggle. Putting your character on cruise control and making micro adjustments as needed is much comfier than holding up for 90 hours.
>>741542308Except he has the face of a zesty prison pony
>>741546402Just know that the game landlocks you way more than Black Flag ever would. I love the sailing in Odyssey though, I feel the open world aspect brings the feeling of adventure together really well and the combat is good enough to still feel fun.
>>741529030>It's so profitable that after just a yearish they're already dropping support to rush into Black Flag Resynced and Hexe while Odyssey got updates for 3 or so years and so did Valhalla. Even Mirage got an entire new map and story content 2 years after its release.Damn, son. I guess it really did bomb.
>>741533831It was a shitshow politically that even the prime minister of japan at the time, Shigeru Ishiba, commented on it quite negatively. It can't get any more political than the top politician of the country you're setting your game in.Then Ubisoft posted a 4-post-long apology.https://x.com/assassinscreed/status/1815674592444187116Although it surely wasn't big enough for the average japanese to know about it, it was definitely bigger than what Ubisoft wanted it to be.
>>741546394>You will also never hear ship shanties unless you are staying still because any ship being within like 500 feet of you stops your people from singing.This just isn't true. The shanties only stop when you get into combat and the only ships that are aggressive to you without you doing something to them are pirates, legendary ships or bounty hunters.
>>741546393>I saw a webm of Yasuke knocking someone's head off with a club like a baseball batThe kanabo weapon type is probably his worst weapon outside of the teppo unless you're playing on the lower difficulties since it's so slow, but every single weapon has a bunch of decapitation attacks. It's also really goofy how you can just run around decapitating people with punches to the face including civvies when you use the Naginata. Not to mention it's the fasted Brutal Assassinate in the game.>Is it even good for a nu-AC game?Origins > Shadows > Valhalla > OdysseyIf you count Mirage then I would say that's better than Shadows but not as good as OriginsYou can see what I typed up >>741533385 and >>741533864 and make your choice. I got it for $30 I think it was and I think that's roughly fine. It definitely feels less padded than Valhalla but at the same time is almost as long as it with all the content it has, it's really weird.>>741546615I don't know what game you played but if any ship got remotely close to you, and it could be very far off, they just stopped singing. Civvy ships or not. Sort of like how Rogue had them stop singing when any iceberg got within 50 miles from you. The smallest of the small ships wouldn't do that, but anything bigger did. It drove me up a wall.
>>741536606Valhalla did two things right: removed the RNG loot and somehow had a huge number of enemy types. I don't think any other game came even close.
>>741546743>I don't know what game you played but if any ship got remotely close to you, and it could be very far off, they just stopped singing. Civvy ships or not. Sort of like how Rogue had them stop singing when any iceberg got within 50 miles from you. The smallest of the small ships wouldn't do that, but anything bigger did. It drove me up a wall.I just played the game again like a week ago, that never happens unless you get into combat. You're either thinking of something else or lying, which would be a really weird thing to do.
>>741546464I’m fine with that, I wasn’t looking for the ship combat anyhow
>>741546743>>741533385>>741533864>The kanabo weapon type is probably his worst weapon outside of the teppo unless you're playing on the lower difficulties since it's so slowVery annoying.Thanks for the tips though, I'll still go for $15 max
>>741546936I'd constantly have it cut out unless I sat around even when I wasn't in a battle. Maybe the epilogue patch fixed that issue but when I played it initially (Maybe 6 months or so after FoA fully released) that was an issue and when the epilogue patch dropped I never had to sail again because I just warped to the actual content so I never checked if it was the same since I already had all the legendary ship battles completed by that point anyway.
>>741526393>After being meanies to our bipoc characters...>Gamers beg for a setting that will be most likely homogenic monocultural light skinned>Except...kinda base though, not sure what to tell you. You would do the same if your audience was entitled, whiny faggots in a dying company where you got nothing to loose.Same thing every 'historical setting' game does these days, just because there might have been one nigger in medieval europe at any time is enough justification for them to make it look like downtown new york. And if this is not enough just say its fantasy.
>>741538702but asscreed is fun
>>741546393Just play nioh. Pretty sure you can get yasuke as one of the npc transmogs even in the first game, and you can definitely be knocking people's heads off with clubs and hammers.2 is even better because you can be a literal oni with a kanabo. Nioh actually has real, good action gameplay, not retarded ac gameplay. Easily 200 enjoyable hours out of both the first and second games.
>>741546890Shadows has quite a lot. Off the top of my head>Bandits (1 bar)>Bandits with guns (1 bar)>Bandits that dodge a lot (2 bars)>Large bandit guys with clubs (3 bars)>Large bandit guys with club and armor (4 bars)>Elite large bandit guys with clubs, armor, and a helmet (5 bars)>Ashigaru - Sword (1 bar)>Ashigaru - Spear (1 bar)>Ashigaru - Bow (1 bar)>Ashigaru - Teppo (1 bar)>Samurai that dodge a lot - Sword (2 bar)>Samurai that dodge a lot - Sword with fan that summons recruits or spams arrow explosions at you (2 bar)>Samurai with armor - Sword (3 bars)>Samurai with armor - Sword with fan that summons recruits or spams arrow explosions at you (3 bars)>Samurai with armor - Spear (3 bars)>Samurai with armor of every weapon type but also using a bow or a teppo (3 bars)>Samurai with armor - Bleed Naginata (4 bars)>Samurai with armor - Poison Naginata (4 bars)>Samurai with armor - Bleed Odachi (4 bars)>Samurai with armor - Poison Odachi (4 bars)>Elite samurai with armor - Bleed sword that iais a lot (5 bars)>Samurai giant - Club (6 bars)>Samurai giant - Unarmed (8 bars)>Guardian - Sword (6 bars)>Guardian - Blunderbuss (6 bars)>Guardian - Club (6 bars)>Guardian - Unarmed (6 bars)>Portuguese soldiers (2 bar)>Shinobi (2 bars)>Monks - Swords (2 bars)>Monks - Naginata (3 bars)>Those really annoying guys using Bos in Claws of Awaji that always parry you (3 bars)>Animus Ego Samurai with armor - Spear (2 bars)>Animus Ego Samurai with armor - Teppo (2 bars)>Animus Ego Samurai with armor - Sword that summons and arrows (3 bars)>Animus Ego Samurai giant - Club (4 bars I think it was)>Like at least 20 unique boss movesets formed from the various assassination targets, particularly Yasuke's buddies like Marume.Now there's also these mooks in the MOD that have higher bars of health or some additional gimmick, and the bosses in the MOD challenges are ones from the main game but with new attacks, clones, or merged movesets.
>>741533368I find it interesting there was no direct healing in Origins and Odyssey until Valhalla resurrected the potions with rations/eating shit. They kept it for future games.
>>741548054because it severely limits what you can do combat-wise
>>741547937>Just play nioh.yeah
>>741548753It also broke Valhalla and Shadows though.In Valhalla's case you are functionally invulnerable due to one of the perks giving you rations on kills (Or healing you if you're topped up) and you can carry like 8 of them.In Shadows' case you can carry 10 of them as Naoe, 12 as Yasuke, and they also drop on kills though not as much.
>>741548803There's always next poison to play.
>>741548830Doesn't really quite have the same comedic value of knocking people's heads off as a big dumb nigger though I imagine
>>741548827Yes, but Origins and Odyssey had the opposite problem in that designers' hands were tired because you couldn't account on everyone managing their health with abilities or health-on-X traits.
>>741533219Turns out he's pretty much entirely fictional and this game helped expose that. Years of bullshit peddled by someone with a nog fetish.
>>741529352>the whole game-within-a-game thing is just a vestigial leftover that went nowhere.Good.Most people are glad they got rid of that.I mean>play a game to be a badass assassin in a specific era with all the effort put on it>get interrupted to look at conspiracy stuff in a contemporary setting were you do nothingEven if the real-world part had its own assassin's gameplay (which would be ridiculously difficult to make) player would complain it'd take away effort from what should matter.IMO I'm glad they play it the way they do now.>they made a woman the protagonist so the people critical of the black samurai weren't going to play it anywayAs retarded as racists can be, not all are also incel or misogynist and those would pretend Sasuke is the problem to hide being misogynists.
>>741526393its been 2 years you need to move on.
The thing that strikes me the most is that they didn't just add a nigger but also went for the macrognatic phenotype of a nigger like the known cosmonaut and fentanyl enthusiast George Floyd(deceased), instead of zesty street fag phenotype that gets more publicity in media.
>>741526393>Do they just hate gamers or something?Do you like like the communtiy that calls themselves "gamers"?
>>741549347>Most people are glad they got rid of that.They aren't. This is something a vocal minority keeps repeating for some reason because they specifically hate it. Ubisoft continually keep bringing Isu content back or more Modern Day because it is constantly requested over and over every time they relax on it even a little bit. The entire reason why the Animus Ego stuff exists, this new MOD content exists, or why we even got the Isu cave content in the first place is specifically because people were pissed off at how little there was in Shadows so they regularly mentioned it to Ubisoft which Ubisoft themselves acknowledged is why it exists.Layla as a character only existed because of people constantly clamoring for some new Modern Day story equivalent to Desmond. The Modern Day and Animus content is the glue that binds the whole series together and makes it work because otherwise stopping the Templars means nothing and finding PoEs means nothing.Even BFR is going to have the same Rift system Shadows does with "What if" situations according to the current leaks in place of the the Abstergo Entertainment stuff since BFR takes place after Shadows according to the ending of the current epilogue.
>>741526393why would you beg ubisoft for any game, maybe you should have begged them to sell the franchise instead.
>>741526393Ubisoft hated the idea of Japan AssCrees because they think ninjas are generic, now that they're in the red they were forced to give fans something they really wanted, but they had to be spiteful about it
>>741549768Oh wait, wrong screenshot. Here, this one. It confirms Resynced canonically is taking place after Shadows.
>>741526393>Murderers Noae's village>Somehow still ends up friends with her because Bad writing
>>741533420>>741533471>>741541031I like to imagine Yasuke as "he existed, then some Templar racists spent a lot of time trying to erase his name from history"
>>741546743>Origins > Shadows > Valhalla > Odysseythe story execution is much better in both valhalla and odyssey. mind you, it's still utter garbage in valhalla because that's the game where they decided the narrative should be told in randomly arranged segments. odyssey has the best map and open world activities and discovery mode and setting is in line with origins, so it's more or less equal. valhalla is severely misguided and has a shitty discovery mode but it's still trying to be a normal videogame in some shape. shadows is an atrocity where the story isn't even functional and gets dropped off in a sequelbait or DLCbait and im fairly sure i heard the whole japanese assassins chapter doesn't even get proper closure in the DLC which they baited the ending over. the gameplay is slightly better but nobody plays these games for the gameplay so its w/e.
>>741547126What system did you play on? I played it before the DLC dropped on PC and never had that issue and going back to it years later (like a week ago) I still never experienced that. I swear that was an issue in Valhalla though, every time you'd go past a place to raid or something it would do something annoying, I don't fully remember what, though.
>>741530262>No mention of CHAD AlexiosUbisoft are so fucking gay
>>741549852>still ends up friends with her becauseBecause of the entire Junjiro reveal that flipped her entire world view upside down and had her rethink what she was even fighting for? Junjiro as a character exists to make her stop seeing red which he does at least two separate times, and then Yasuke himself exists to do the same on two separate occasions.>>741549934Xbone X a bit after the Fate of Atlantis DLC was finalized. Like I said it might be that they fixed it in the epilogue patch which is what you'd have since that was done like a year ago and I did sailing content before that patch, not after.
>>741549852To be fair in the west there are plenty of stories of people forgiving their relative's killers then letting them live in their house and then they get killed
>>741529213>>741530262They're never going to get over that most players picked Alexios instead, are they?
>>741526393It seriously could have saved ubisoft if they didn't fuck it up. It's such a clean example of go woke go broke it may have accelerated the death of woke games by multiple years.
>>741550045it's like an ongoing tantrum of c-suits not knowing what the do except knowing they NEED female protagonists, like they JUST NEED... ONE... MORE... FEMALE.. PROTAG>sexist rapist former CEO says female models take too much work to animate, and that female protags don't sell>proceed to make a playable female you are forced to play in syndicate, then insist on female protags being canon in odyssey+valhalla, nobody cares or even know about this and just play male protags>they tried and failed at making layla the new desmond>now they're making their next mainline game a female only protagonistjust one more female protag please cmon just one more
>>741549814The ubisoft who felt japan would be lame teenage weebshit was long gone. Ubisoft was full of gay weebs by the time they made shadows, the problem is they were capeshit tier nerds whose relationship to japan was incredibly shallow. Combine that with woke incompetence and you have a stupid story about a fictional black superhero.
>>741549914>the story execution is much better in both valhalla and odyssey.I preferred how Origins and Shadows did it.Origins only really fails with the Son of Ra specifically since he's just sort of there as a target and they very quickly shove in the Siwa massacre person out of nowhere into the story. Otherwise it's pretty smooth sailing.Shadows is very consistent and only opens up specific targets at specific times, everyone else is either their own self-contained story or just exists to flesh out certain aspects of Naoe or Yasuke specifically. The ending being bait for Claws of Awaji was pretty bad though, I agree.Odyssey's issue is that the story is executed very poorly as The Eagle Bearer is forced into situations that contradict their beliefs constantly yet either go along with it or don't speak up, they go after the Cult when in reality it's not that important until they realize who Deimos is and they're not really doing anything that goes against TEB's moral code, characters are introduced like Herodotos that literally do not do anything to the story at all until the epilogue and when you go to Atlantis, etc. Your targets don't feel necessary and it feels super disjointed.Valhalla's issue is that it repeats the same story beats for every location so there's never anything interesting happening and Eivor's entire personality and beliefs are beyond confusing, especially when she actually goes to experience Valhalla and hates it yet still practices Norse Paganism.>and im fairly sure i heard the whole japanese assassins chapter doesn't even get proper closure in the DLC which they baited the ending over.Claws of Awaji finished what the ending set up, and then the Black Flag epilogue established she and Yasuke are going to formalize the Kakushiba Ikki as the Japanese Brotherhood so they need to make ties outside of Japan because they now have a price on their heads by the Templars. They're why Ah Tabai knows of the Observatory.
>>741550258>it's like an ongoing tantrum of c-suitsIt was never c-suits, you have to remember corporate leadership are all 50+ year old rich white boomers, they never gave a shit about any of this stuff. This was a bottom up revolution kicked off by journalists and gay forums that infected the writers room and spread in a way the corporate leadership felt compelled to follow. They all felt they were out of touch and that the kids were woke and gay. They were also tricked by shitty nepo hire consultants who doctored stats about how gamers were 50% female and that zoomers responded to self expression, globalism and chopping off their own penis.
>>741550014Well I'm saying that it wasn't a thing before the FoA DLC was released either. I could easily see them adding it as a bug, though. Especially on xbone. Cursed ass console.
>>741545704>OdysseyIt's written like ancient Greek literature was, over the top.>muh dialogue choicesThe Animus is already a reconstruction of how it could have happened. You made choices just by choosing to kill 100000 guards who will never have children instead of sneaking through. Complaining about that is just a winding way to complain about being able to play Kassandra.>The RPG mechanics>unless you play on the lowest difficulties.Get good. It let you personalize your playstyle, good for replay value, which the choice system encourage.Just ignore the procedural crap and focus only on what is important>Stealth was ruined because now you are required to dump tons of effort and time into the Assassin tree just to kill anything with a gold nameOh no! Well trained soldier and legendary warriors are harder to kill than a peasant with a spear.>Ship combat is the worst of the seriesIt's ok.>Level scaling is pure cancer.No disagrement>Main cities are devoid of life compared to even Origins.It's not that bad.
>>741550742Dunno what to tell you, I'm just saying what my experience was specifically.I do know the PC versions sometimes tend to be buggier than the console ones though.>AC3 legacy still has weird locations where on console it works fine but on PC you launch into the sky when you grab them.>Origins to this day still has water that is nothing close to like it is on console (Opaque, muddy, and blurry) with weird issues when you're at the surface letting you see straight through the water clearly.>Valhalla up until like two years after release had all audio sounding like a tin can.
You retards really fell for it even after they made that horrid, evil anti-English propaganda game?
>>741550869Well, it's not like that's uncommon for a ubishit title in the first place, wouldn't be surprised if they "outsource" their port jobs to less experienced studios within Ubisoft itself.
>>741550128genuinely what is woke about the game? I am like 90% of the way through it and theres no troons, no gays, everyone is japanese other than yasuke, no forced diversity, no girlbosses, no out of place modern 'values'. what could possibly make it woke?
>>741550969you think english propaganda is good?
>>741551097Yes.
>>741547939>Shadows has quite a lot. Off the top of my headhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRr9016fmjs>168 enemies archetypes>203 unique attacks
>>741550840>It's written like ancient Greek literature was, over the top.Except it wasn't over the top. It was straightforward. The problem is that The Eagle Bearer is an atheist, then a believer, then an atheist, and then despite knowing their faith is 100% verifiably false in every single way they die still believing in the Greek pantheon. They hate Sparta but willingly live there. They treat Barnabas like absolute trash as if he's a schizophrenic despite knowing for 100% fact everything he says is true, can prove it, and just don't while making fun of him. They murder infinite amounts of people without remorse but then get weirdly moral about subjects. They befriend people and are willing to conspire against Kleon with them after meeting them one single time for a few minutes.>The Animus is already a reconstruction of how it could have happened. Dialogue choices cannot be canon because you are viewing set-in-stone events in history. Being able to change them at all means you aren't able to sync the ancestor as you are not doing exactly what they did, you as a person are picking what they said instead of saying what they said. The fact that they understood this and have a Canon Mode in Shadows even shows you that even they know it doesn't make any sense.>You made choices just by choosing to kill 100000 guards who will never have children instead of sneaking through. This means you don't even understand how the Animus works. The Animus fudges events that it can't reliably attest to to keep you synced. They didn't kill all those people, but they did kill people so you stay synced. It's why there are walls during certain sequences as the ancestor verifiably wandered around to that distance in that period of time but no farther.>Get good. It let you personalize your playstyleEvery single game prior to Odyssey let you be a jack of all trades and use every single thing to aid you in combat. Odyssey is the only one where 2/3rds of your kit is unusable.
>>741551131do you have a license to make posts like this?
>>741542397>they claimed it was historicalbelieve it or not, yasuke really did serve under nobunaga
>>741551027>guys, if you ignore all the woke stuff this game isn't woke at all>no forced diversity>no forced diversity>no forced diversityI don't have patience to continue talking to someone as disingenuous as you.
>>741526393>beg Ubisoft for Japanese Assassin's Creed for yearsWhere is the proof of you begging? How can we even know this?
>>741551402what is there to ignore, please note any woke things in this game. Valhalla and odyssey had gays, trans, random black NPCs. What does shadows have?
>>741551402I had a discussion with some anon arguing that a game is not woke because optional gay scenes or hyper competent women unless they make up 90% of the game or whatever. I told him woke was an amorphous monster that can take many forms depending on what you require at the moment.
>>741550482in shadows you are jumping between the historical unification period and then a nonsensical assassins/templar story and neither story resolves. the unification story just goes on for a bit until hattori tells you he's leaving because naoe's mom ditched him, then the templar "story" resolves in yasuke meeting and killing some templar all within 1 mission and then the game ends on some grandiose ending title card the same as in origins except the difference is that one had a competently written story. it's laughably bad. also odyssey you have a reason to care about the cult, since you learn your dad is associating with or being targeted by them, cant remember. the atlantis is just part of a really shitty DLC, the one about persians invading thats just a mini DLC is at least halfway decent.
>>741551131chudjakbros........
>>741533219nigger fatigue
>>741549768>>741549825I'm not sure anymore why you are complaining since as you say Ubisoft still expand on the simulation storyline.It's obviously still the lore and plot line.Thing is, the simulation didn't need to have much content in the first place.The main difference was getting rid of old school "Modern Day" that took you completely out of the cool assassin gameplay and wasted resources on resource & gameplay the players aren't really in for.Frankly, I would rather have Ubisoft (somehow) manage an AC in the modern era, where the Animus is something that NPC characters use after you bring the right person or the right artifacts.Pipe dream and ridiculously difficult of course.
>>741551430There was some infamous line from Ubisoft that Egypt, Japan and WWII will never be settings for an Assassin's Creed game
>>741551613And that created a Barbara Streissand-like effect?
>>741551510you are not 'jumping' between the main story and the assassin story. It is as you say, like 1 or 2 quests out of hundreds. The focus on the game is the unification period, the assassin story is not even a B-plot
>>741551702when you play as naoe that is the assassins plot. you are looking for the chapter safehouse of your mom and retrieve the imperial regalia
>>741541031doesnt help that the actual jap take on yasuke like in nioh is infinitely better a portrayal than western kiked slop like ubijew
>>741551490Woke is very concrete, it's not amorphous at all. It's resentment politics and the people who made this game are resentful against east asian sucess and national pride while remaining homogenous, they resent people who have histories they are proud of. Globalist woke propaganda was incessantly trying to place black and brown people into western and east asian history to make people feel that all succesful nations shared Americas history as a nation of immigrants and to give black people a history they could be proud of (even if it was fiction larping as history). They did this so homogenous nations could not deny mass immigration/DIVERSITY without feeling like hypocrites.This is why civ 6 is woke even on a mechanical level, they force you to start the game as any nation (often third world) who then evolves into a homogenous first world nation. These idiots who are arguing nothing is woke until a gay bar full of trannies appear are not worth engaging.
>>741526393The Female Asian Ninja should've been the main character and focus of the game.Yasuke could've just been some important NPC in the game you did some quests for.I have no idea why they did it the way they did either anon.
>>741551510>the unification story just goes on for a bit until hattori tells you he's leaving because naoe's mom ditched himHe literally ends the story on giving Naoe a note that her mother is alive and that he'll give her news soon. That's the hook into Claws of Awaji. The stuff at the Hideout is the "end" of that story in the base game. The meeting outside of the cave isn't. You are also required to kill Mitsuhide to even get access to the second half of Naoe and Yasuke's personal stories so you couldn't possibly do them prior to that.The first half of Naoe's story is meeting up with Hanzo, going to a cave to find out what happened to the original Kakushiba Ikki, then finding a book and it doesn't let you progress until Mitsuhide is dead.>then the templar "story" resolves in yasuke meeting and killing some templar all within 1 missionYou are clearly forgetting how it went. Nuno Caro was mentioned multiple times when you are hunting Duarte in the first half of the story and you find constant notes about him. The Critical Role story added fairly soon after launch added even more to this but let's not count that. The Animus Ego content has an entire segment where you see a discussion between Nuno Caro and Duarte about coming to Japan for Pieces of Eden to bring back with them to Portugal. You also get some small flashback cutscenes of Yasuke's PTSD when you kill Duarte.The second half heavily features Nuno Caro as he's established to be the Templar leader of the trip to Japan at that point, going to Mitsuhide's daughter, meeting Nuno Caro, helping her, then finding out where he is to kill him.>>741551805>you are looking for the chapter safehouse of your mom and retrieve the imperial regaliaYou are combining her personal story with the main story. The main story is her and Yasuke hunting down the Shinbakufu to retrieve the Regalia. Her personal story is learning about the Kakushiba Ikki and her mother. They are separate things.
>>741550258The suits didn't want female mcs, it was the devs the ones puching women as mcs and making everything stupid and retarded >Origins, you have to play the ending as the nigress>Odyssey, akshually Kasandra is the mc>Valhalla, Eivor is Odin spirit into female body>Mirage, Bayek has a female spirit inside him>Shadows, the girl is the main mc
>>74154656133.4m views on that tweet is insane
>>741526393>response to AC Shadows cancelled an AC game in development>AC game in development was set in the U.S. Confederacy with a black Django-esque slave-master-hunter working alongside John Brown.>plot was heavily about Templars involvement in the slave trade and about slavery's horrors.I think slavery is morally repugnant and American slavery was particularly abhorrent. But christ-on-a-fucking-stick, this was going to be Ubisoft's next game in late 2027. Like completely blind,deaf,and dumb and incapable of reading the room.
>>741551693I think that it was a response to already existing fan demand, but yeah it didn't deter fans from asking for it. I think this was at the start of the series when it was still about Ezio
>>741551598>Thing is, the simulation didn't need to have much content in the first place.But the thing is that people want that, it's why Layla exists at all. They want extended portions, not small tidbits like Animus Ego sections. They want to see someone affected by the Bleeding Effect and a payoff that they are able to use that skillset in Modern Day content. The reason people complained about it in Black Flag and Rogue was that it was a significant amount of time compared to Desmond or later Layla's segments. Layla's problem is she's a Mary Sue you don't like so no one rooted for her unlike Desmond. Hell, people really enjoyed Desmond's sections in 3 and some of those were 20-30 minutes long, especially when going to kill Cross and Vidic even ignoring the flintlock Glocks they use.>>741551983>Mirage, Bayek has a female spirit inside himNo, that's just Loki. They make it explicitly clear that's just how Loki is presented to him to get Basim to accept the merge. She's not even a character or person, she's literally how he hallucinates Loki like Eivor hallucinates Odin.
>>741552052That and Shadows were likely all planned during 2020 which was the height of all the BLM stuff
>>741552052I'm actually sad that the backlash to shadows gave them enough time to delay it and remove the most embarrassingly woke shit, I would have also liked this game to release. For future generations they would have been cultural monuments to the stupidity of the era we had to endure. It would have been laughed at for hundreds of years.
>>741526393Yasuke existed in real life, you fucking retard.So did William Adams.So it's ok to have whitey in Japan with his qt Japanese girl harem, but a black man WITHOUT one is suddenly too much? And what's more, you can only play the white man in Nioh, but in Shadows you can play as Naoe. You don't have to play Yasuke. AND YOU NIGGERS STILL WHINE. DROPKICK ALL WHITE RETARDS. SUPLEX ALL WHITE RETARDS. ARMBAR ALL WHITE RETARDS.
>>741552056It was more that Ubisoft's leads at the time wanted to go with unconventional settings for an 'assassin' character. That's how we ended up with the long run until Syndicate when the old AC games stopped selling and they revamped the IP and team to shoot life back into the license.
Do you guys think they will ever abandon the modern day framing device entirely at some point? I know it's essentially a series staple but they have been failing at making it compelling ever since Desmond died
>>741551920>Woke is very concrete, it's not amorphous at allThat dude told me these scenes in the Witcher 3 were not important and did not made the game woke. I told him how odd it was that a 2 second kiss scene in Lightyear made the entire film woke yet these scenes did not affect the Witcher.>It's resentment politics and the people who made this game are resentful against east asian sucess and national pride while remaining homogenous, they resent people who have histories they are proud of.That's a big accusation>They did this so homogenous nations could not deny mass immigration/DIVERSITY without feeling like hypocrites.Could you please cite a reform, appeal or proposal on migration policy based on the video game Assasin's Creed Shadows?
>>741551969>You are clearly forgetting how it went. Nuno Caro was mentioned multiple times when you are hunting Duarte in the first half of the story and you find constant notes about him. The Critical Role story added fairly soon after launch added even more to this but let's not count that.i wouldnt even count those. they are obvious late development additions because otherwise they would be represented by actual cutscenes or gameplay segments. its easy to pretend the game's story makes sense when you get your writer guy to just spin up some shit and tuck it all in *somewhere* in the game for the players so you can technically say the story makes sense when its clear the production was a mess and they had to resort to "we'll fix it in post" measuresthe fact that i even had some theories before the game came out about how yasuke's a templar and throughout the story he finds his calling similarly to edward and then to end up with a story where everything is clearly the 5th+ rewrite and the writers are just coming up with shit on the spot (the voice actor of naoe spoke up about this) and nobody knows wtf is going on makes this easily the worst assassins creed storywise. i'll only remember it because how much of a disaster it was.
>>741526393Come on, don't pretend any Ass Creed games were any good in the first place. They're all soulless copypasted ubislop.For the kinds of people with such shitty taste that they were still playing asscreed games, shoving a black man into it affected absolutely fucking nothing. Ubisoft were already at the rock bottom of lowest common denominator trash.
>>741552208It was compelling in like the first game but after that even the Desmond stuff was distracting and ass. The series is at its best when it's a historical piece with limited involvement with templars and assassins and their cringe ass "forever war" they have going on.
>>741552171>William was a consequential figure who did many noteworthy, documented things that changed the course of japanese history>yasuke was a man with black skin who was noteworthy for being blackOne is a historical figure, the other is a man with black skin standing in japan for less than 2 years.
LOL
>>741552208Nope, they said in their 10th anniversary GDC talk it's part of their internal bible and part of how they develop the games.https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1024890/10-Years-of-Evolution-ofSpecifically 21:30ish onward.It's what brings the world together and justifies things in the past to matter in the present and makes you care about the Assassins and Templars at all outside of in their own bubbles.
>>741552256>That's a big accusationWakanda forever, we wuz kangs n shieet, if you don't understand that the impulse behind that and this are the same you are an idiot. >diversity is our strengthIf you cannot understand that this is identical to support for mass immigration you are an even bigger idiot.
>>741552317>The dead cat bounce in 2020 is about the time Ubisoft CEO told people to get comfortable not owning games.
>>741552312What happened to "it's just a video game"?KYS
>>741526393Everyone hates weebsBased Ubisoft taking a bullet to put them in their place
>>741552208Supposedly they are trying to get rid of the modern day storytelling. In Shadows MD doesn't exist outside of worthless text entries, and now in the BF remake they are also doing the same, replacing MD with text entries that you have to read in their modern day version of uplay.
>>741552171Neither is fine desu. They're a product of white westerners being too child minded to relate to non-white characters and their weird white guilt
>>741552208thats the best part of assassins creed, maybe if they focused on that more the games wouldn't been seen as utter trash
>>741552442If it's just a videogame why are you here years after release, arguing about what is and isn't history in an ambiguously historical game. If it's all a bunch of toys and inconsequential mcdonalds shit then fuck off and enjoy your slop in peace. The people with an iq above room temperature will deal with culture and it's effects of society without the screeching incomprehensible monkey noises.
I think George Floyd was a bad pick for the MC
>>741552435>Wakanda forever, we wuz kangs n shieet, if you don't understand that the impulse behind that and this are the same you are an idiot.How would you tell the story of Yasuke if not in Japan? >If you cannot understand that this is identical to support for mass immigration you are an even bigger idiot.Its an slogan and you have yet to provide evidence of the impact of Asscreed Shadows on migration policy. I know what is going on, you don't want to be just a loser crying about a video game so it can't be just something that annoys you no, it is a big deal. In fact, civilization itself is at stake and you are at the vanguard protecting it.These are the guys who laughed at Anita Sarkeesian for saying violence and objectification of women in media create an enviroment of rape culture.
>>741552520Interesting. It makes sense to remove the modern day story from Black Flag because it really only serves as a link between the Desmond story of 3 and the next game (which goes nowhere in Rogue, Unity and Syndicate). Someone playing the game on it's own in 2026 and having not played 3 will have no idea what is going on during those segments and they serve nothing other than taking you out of the game
>>741552120Yeah, I didn't remember it really well. I only remember that it was another convoluted plot to put a woman in there.If you wan a female MC make it so, don't try to push it behind players' backs like a retard.Origins, you play as Bayek the entire game. The entire game? No, in the end his wife steals the ending.Odyssey lets us pick the mc but they made Kassandra the canon one in some novel and now she appears in others games.Valhalla promoted male Eivor and again lets us pick, but again female Eivor is the canon because yada yada.Good luck with the censored remaster and AC Hags.
>>741526393I wasn't actually begging Ubisoft for anything, I don't think "gamers" really give a shit about what Ubisoft has been doing for the last 15 years, they've almost exclusively made shitty games
>>741552520>In Shadows MD doesn't exist outside of worthless text entriesYou didn't play Shadows. The text entries are only in the not-battle passes and now given out via the first 20 MOD clears (Or just saving and reloading to pick the same one up). That explains the context and side stuff to set up Ego and what Abstergo was doing specifically.There is both an entire story between The Guide and Animus Ego that you literally play through to learn about both and also now the playable MOD content that has MOD herself telling you about what she's doing with the Assassins, how she was an Abstergo employee, how she created Ego, how she joined the Assassins, etc. The finale of the Ego story in Shadows even directly connects to Resynced as shown in >>741529030 and >>741549825.This related to you too (>>741552721) but we also know from current reputable leaks that the same Animus Ego content will be present in Resynced as it's the current "main" story they're going with since Layla and The Reader are stuck in an Animus while William is sifting through Loki's DNA for Pieces of Eden. They stated they're not doing a 1:1 of the Abstergo Entertainment story because it's not relevant right now.We already know that the same Rifts to access Modern Day content will be found around the world in Resynced, we know that they will feature "What if?" content like "What if Edward joined Torres when he met him and became a Templar?", we know it will focus on some of Edward's past, and we know it'll focus on Ego specifically due to Shadows' new content.
>>741552721there's a cool aspect about abstergo trying to psyop you into becoming a templar and the office was cool to explore. but yeah i just ran thru the segments pretty quick.still, overall i think its a detriment to remove it. especially when the replacement is the animus hub garbage.
>>741551272>The problem is that The Eagle Bearer is an atheist, then a believer, then an atheistThe eagle of "Eagle Bearer" is literally divine in nature, and even before meeting an actual god, everything you are able to do pretty much scream DEMI-GOD.I would also alternate between Atheism & Theism if I was becoming equal to said god ruling the world, and usually portrayed as unreliable and moody, just like me!The Cult of KOSMOS took control of the Oracle and faked the mythology using items that for all intent and purposes are divine to the Eagle Bearer.>They hate Sparta but willingly live there.They don't, it's still their culture and getting KOSMOS to blame take the hate away>They treat Barnabas like absolute trash as if he's a schizophrenic despite knowing for 100% fact everything he says is true, can prove it, and just don't while making fun of himThey don't? I don't see what you are referring to. They do make fun of him, but only jokingly. Also he can't prove everything he heard himself second-hand until you actually meet the mythological stuff.>This meansThat I understand the Animus better than you.>The Animus fudges events that it can't reliably attest to to keep you syncedWhich now include said choices in a more deliberate way.This is no different from the system giving you a choice for every single breathing you take trying to synch with what you believe yours ancestor did.You synched with the IDEA of a mythological hero, your Animus sim just can't reliably attest if it was Kassandra or Alexios, it can only attest the odyssey was epic in nature and fudged the sex. Even if Kassandra is revealed as the shape it actually took.Shadows just offered have a mode with "less fudge", choices are still 100% how it works.>Odyssey is the only one where...you can play in EXTRA ways.That's it.Just like the choice system your logic would still be satisfied by the ancestors always having access to extra weapons, but choosing to not use them.
>>741552665You wouldn't tell the story of yasuke in any vaguely historical context for any reason than him being black because that is the only noteworthy thing about him. Therefore you don't make him an MC in an assassin's creed game for any reason that isn't woke. He's fine as a protagonist in a purely fictional setting because a black samurai is aesthetically jarring and therefore interesting, the rest is made up bullshit anyway, he's just a character design who could have any name.>you have yet to provide evidence of the impact of Asscreed Shadows on migration policyThis is such a stupid fucking argument, what are you even asking for? A 10 page political proposal for how many immigrants should be allowed into all first world nations? Do there need to be scientific documents on how to chop off peoples dicks before a game can be said to support trans activism?Of fucking course I see culture as more important than a toy for children or else I wouldn't be discussing this piece of shit media more than 5 minutes after it launched. Why are you talking about it if you dont share this point of view? If you can't see the link between media and people's stupid beliefs and actions in real life then fuck off and talk to someone as dumb as you.
>>741552886>The eagle of "Eagle Bearer" is literally divine in natureThe eagle isn't how it's represented in the game. It's just a companion of The Eagle Bearer. Just like how Senu, Synin and Enkidu aren't anything special. They're just birds that assist, they're nothing more.>I would also alternate between Atheism & Theism if I was becoming equal to said god ruling the worldTEB literally and I do mean literally not only meets every single "god" of their religion personally, but is outright told by them that they are not gods, their religion isn't real, they are just beings that came before the humans, and literally used an Isu equivalent of an Animus to get training to use the Staff before again being explicitly told that these were lessons using their upbringing as a way to convey it. We also know for 100% fact that Kassandra then spends the next 2000 years wandering around the Earth locking up Pieces of Eden, learning about other religions, and more.>They don'tIt is outright established they do. They hate everything it stands for after their childhood and Myrinne has to bring them back unwillingly.>They don't? I don't see what you are referring to.They insult him multiple times, particularly at the Olympics about his faith in the gods and in random myths. They literally kill multiple Cyclops, the Minotaur and found its maze, and killed Medusa yet respond to Barnabas as if he's making it up and seriously. Even his Tales of Greece is presented with TEB not believing him, and then refusing to explain anything to him in the epilogue until he literally gets access to an Apple.>That I understand the Animus better than you.You straight up do not.
>>741552606Sad, your post applies to you more than anyone else, and you can't even realize that. Well, hypocrites by definition need to have zero self awareness, so I suppose it makes sense. Seek help.
>>741541693>fully backed by canadaCanadian funding used to go to actual art intended to promote Canadian culture before the americans and jews started taking advantage of the subsidies to make slop
>>741553129>you're such a hypocrite because you're interested in more than slop for it's own sake and aren't hiding this fact>I however am not a hypocrite even though I'm engaging you on this topic of discussion while pretending I'm not interested in it at all and have no opinions on it beyond wanting to eat slopBoring.
>>741552886>Which now include said choices in a more deliberate way.Which isn't canon as established in both Mirage and Shadows. You cannot make dialogue choices as that fundamentally would desync the user of the Animus. The only time Canon Mode ever lets you make a choice is during the AoT event and that's clearly an oversight because nothing else does it.Even Valhalla overtakes your decision to play as Havi in the epilogue and forces you to play Eivor so it can sync the epilogue memories properly even if you spent 99% of the game as Havi meaning you were playing it wrong and what you played was not canon.>This is no different from the system giving you a choice for every single breathing you take trying to synch with what you believe yours ancestor did.Yes, it is. Because it's irrelevant. Being able to fundamentally change if people live or die (Kyra and Thaletas) is just one basic example of how it cannot happen like this as it means the memories are completely different to what the Animus should be able to present since it's providing you a 1:1 retelling of history while fudging irrelevant stuff to sell the lie like killing people, what was climbed, etc. It is lying to you with what happened in history to be able to offer that possibility over them living. Same deal with the Monger dying in the cave or outside, or Deimos living or dying.>You synched with the IDEA of a mythological hero, your Animus sim just can't reliably attest if it was Kassandra or AlexiosWhich contradicts how the Animus works as you wouldn't be able to sync them, and then they immediately go back against this idea because you then sync Deimos' memories and Layla nearly dies because she didn't properly sync his memories. They are inconsistent within their own story. Then Valhalla explicitly shows you that the canon option is letting the Animus decide which data stream is stronger where you only ever play as Eivor, not Havi. Havi is only in the drug binges.
>>741553087>Therefore you don't make him an MC in an assassin's creed game for any reason that isn't wokeYou are a "black MC = woke" hardliner. That's just your opinion.>He's fine as a protagonist in a purely fictional settingAsscreed is fictional, Yasuke never met a kunoichi named Naoe.>This is such a stupid fucking argument, what are you even asking for?You brought up the burden of proof on you by claiming Asscreed Shadows was done to impulse migration in Japan. Migration is just the easiest and most common solution by capitalist countries to quickly refill the void left by low birthrates and aging population, Asscreed Shadows play no role in it.>Of fucking course I see culture as more important than a toy for childreYou conflate the children's toy with culture and expect such premise to be accepted without question. That's why I am asking you to justify it, which you don't.
>>741552120>They want extended portions,Yes.>use that skillset in Modern Day content.No.That's not what we want.That's a completely different game and you are disingenuous to pretend that's what the majority want. The only "vocal minority" I see is your kind.Pretending loudly that everyone want a minigame where you'd somehow act like an ancient assassin in a contemporary setting, limited or not. Your kind would inevitably ask for more.Ignoring the cost of what you ask, taken away from the specific ancient setting we are actually buying the game for.The best I can wish for you, is to somehow get a full "Modern Day" game, where you literally gain some Assassin's skills by diving in VERY SHORT Animus minigames, so that more money can be put on the dedicated "Modern Day" content.
>>741546561There's a reason all the "controversy" immediately evaporated the moment the game actually released
>>741552886>Shadows just offered have a mode with "less fudge", choices are still 100% how it works.No, they aren't. It's explicitly a mode where choice is taken away from you entirely. The only choices allowed by the player are sparing tertiary non-story assassination targets which itself is likely done for gameplay purposes to allow players to get their missable equips (Specifically the merchant's targets, the butterfly lady, and the one pirate guy). You follow one set story which is how the Animus was established to work, and if you deviate from that story you desync as it was in every single game in the series until Odyssey arrived and then Mirage came into being which undid it while Shadows followed through with not doing it.>...you can play in EXTRA ways.No, you are limited in the ways you can play that no other AC game before or after did to the player despite offering you all three opens at all times. You are restricted in having your full moveset actually work for little to no reason and forced into either constantly swapping equipment out just to assassinate, or running a specific crit build so all three are viable. There is a reason why Valhalla onwards immediately stopped caring about it and the Diablo Loot system in Shadows is completely pointless.>>741553487>That's a completely different game and you are disingenuous to pretend that's what the majority want. The only "vocal minority" I see is your kind.That is straight up what Desmond was being built up to until they killed him. We even know this because of Nolan North. It also is what the majority want as it is brought back every single time they even begin to slightly remove it due to pushback. Just look at how quickly Layla came into being after Unity and Syndicate pared back compared to BF and Rogue's long Abstergo Entertainment sections simply because so many people were complaining there was basically nothing. Unity in particular had Ego-esque MD segments.
>>741526393monkey pawAlso karma caught up
>>741526393By Ass Creed standards this game wasn't bad. Definitely better than Valhalla
>>741553409This argument is boring, stale shit from a dead woke era. I can barely be bothered to respond.Assassin's creed had 100% fictional MCs until yasuke, the only reason you would change this is both woke justification for a retarded creative descision and to insert black "history" inside east asian history. This isn't only to spread this diversity is our strength bullshit, it was to link the sin of slavery to japan and expand the power that guilt tripping gave the woke movement. These are subconscious moves by political pawns who have been trained to expand their influence and leverage by all means.There is no burden of proof to say a game full of trannies kissing is in support of trans activism, asking how exactly a bio ware game impacted laws around doctors chopping off dicks is a fucking moronic argument. Wow, isn't it a crazy coincidence that globalist corporations who were pushing for cheap third world labour were also some of the same entities making propaganda about diversity is our strength, it turns out that exists alongside and is in a symbiotic relationship with npcs who believed their bullshit and turned into retarded propagandists.
Is it worth reinstalling the game just for the final patch, I already beat the game and did the DLC a few months ago
>>741553527Which is?
>>741553892nobody played the game, holy fuck is it boring
>Takes so long that Ghost of Tsushima does exactly what people wanted anyway with the added bonus of no stupid alien bullshit >Ghost 2 is dogshit Hmmmm probably better off as a one and done even if Ghost 1 was clearly supposed to be part of an Infamous style duology
>>741553889It's like maybe two hours long unless you want to do the MOD grind.The epilogue is around an hour where Naoe and Yasuke meet Eamon and his protege, the Templars namedrop they're Black Cross which goes against how the BC operates, then basically just act like evil assholes for no real reason, some events happen, and then N&Y chase them until they kill them with it setting up the Japanese Brotherhood.Animus Ego is like a 30 minute closer to the story they had already been doing to establish that Ego was weakened and The Guide via The Eagle figured out a way to help the people trapped in their Animi to find a way out via Edward's memories or something.MOD is sort of like Valhalla's roguelike mode but instead of picking a weapon and attack style you go as-is and get debuffed in one of four specific maps, kill four Corrupted Castle minibosses, then fight one of three specific bosses (Eamon with the other Templar movesets mixed in, all of Nobutsuna's students at one with magical abilities gangbanging you, or Naoe's teacher but he can clone himself). In order to do it fully you need to be level 100 bare minimum, and even at 100 with +9 gear and the best builds it's still pretty rough if you get nonsense like this which I am currently suffering through and I've played the entire game in Nightmare so I'm used to the damage I take but these debuffs are cancer. The starting two stages are 70, two are 80, three are 90, and the last three are 100. This is mainly to obtain some unique elemental equips (All garbage), engravings (All garbage from a glance), and equips from various AC protags like Kass' helmet for Yasuke, Connor's axe for Naoe, Excalibur for Yasuke, Evie's hood for Naoe, etc. You also get lore about MOD herself and what's going on with the Assassins, Ego, Abstergo, etc. The important stuff is an hour in, everything else is grind.
>>741533219Reactionary like /vpol/ have too loud of a voice
>>741553879>to insert black "history" inside east asian history.Yasuke is part of japan's history, he is part of "black history" just in through the lens of pan-africanism. Not US black history because he had nothing to do with that. >This isn't only to spread this diversity is our strength bullshit, it was to link the sin of slavery to japan and expand the power that guilt tripping gave the woke movement. These are subconscious moves by political pawns who have been trained to expand their influence and leverage by all means.This is something you people do a lot. Make assertions and exclude the evidence. >There is no burden of proof to say a game full of trannies kissing is in support of trans activism, asking how exactly a bio ware game impacted laws around doctors chopping off dicks is a fucking moronic argument.Its your burden of proof if you are making the claim. We have media that created palpable documented impact like The Birth of a Nation, but you exclude yourself from that and expect me to just take your word for it. >Wow, isn't it a crazy coincidence that globalist corporations who were pushing for cheap third world labour were also some of the same entities making propaganda about diversity is our strength, it turns out that exists alongside and is in a symbiotic relationship with npcs who believed their bullshit and turned into retarded propagandists.People like you see a weathervane and think that the arrow controls the wind because its pointing in the direction of where the wind is blowing. Media is a weathervane of how society is currently moving. Civil rights activist were the ones doing the legwork not Coca Cola. You just don't understand how migration is the most common way to quickly replace labor.
This franchise is so dead that they were trying to put IN-GAME ADVERTS for their other games.
>>741553119>It's just a companion of The Eagle Bearer.Which literally come from a god to watch over you, eagle vision is paranormal by nature.>outright told by them that they are not gods, their religion isn't real, they are just beings...with the powers of gods, the impact of gods, and you barely know what they define as "not real" since it's all shrouded in mystery.No different from learning the CEO's rules you were following might be mistranslated but without being given a list of what is right/false.Seriously, Religion continue TODAY with people acting as if X god(s) are 100% real, despite SCIENCE being present in every single aspect of their life to tell them they shouldn't take seriously an old fantasy book. Some people only believes when they need to calm themselves.Oh my god! Religion is bullshit!>It is outright established they doIn nitpicked moody moment before they learn KOSMOS are the one ruining their life.>They insult him multiple times, particularly at the Olympics about his faith in the gods and in random mythsThat's not how I remember it, at most it's jest or because Barnabas cannot in fact, provide proof. You met "cyclops" that were just big guys with a single eye, you met creature Barnabas didn't know about.Most of the time it's also linked to the fact that for your character, you are pretty much a demi-god. YOU are what myth are made of. So minotaurs? Can't be that incredible.>You straight up do not.And yet you aren't offering any counter-arguments. Odyssey play 100% how the Animus has always worked before.You are just a hypocrite fanboy who dislike alternative path with greater difference than having to replay a mission because you killed or sneaked past guards in the wrong order.
And this is all we’ll ever get. They will never revisit the setting and give us a proper Japanese assassin’s creed. If you still support this franchise you're an idiot.
>>741554452Yasuke as a historical figure is a western obsession and almost entirely a western invention. He's an inconsequential figure who the west was obsessed with as a non fiction character because they were woke. You will notice that now the woke era has passed nobody gives a shit about him and I wouldn't be surprised if they cancelled his netflix show.>This is something you people do a lot. Make assertions and exclude the evidence.This is something you people do alot, pretend not to understand the simple point that is being made. It goes without saying that woke people support woke political interests, it also goes without saying that woke people support mass immigration because diversity was a core pillar of their belief system. It also goes without saying that yasukes inclusion in AC was a woke one. To push for more diversity they began to subvert western and now east asian culture and history. What you are arguing then is that assassin's creed wasn't woke in any way and was in no way intended to further woke interests that are inseparably tied to questions about historical revisionism and diversity on all levels including national.You still don't get it. Corporations liking diversity for economic reasons is not mutually exclusive with retarded propagandists parroting corporate propaganda alongside their own retarded resentment fuelled beliefs. The woke movement wasn't corporate by origin, it had massive support from corporations because their interests alligned. The core of wokeism and mass immigration is a backlash against ww2 era nationalism, these forces were kept in check before white guilt opened the floodgates.
>>741533368Except they make you play as some southern barely Egyptian trash with nigger hair.
>>741546743>I don't know what game you played but if any ship got remotely close to you, and it could be very far off, they just stopped singing. Civvy ships or not. Sort of like how Rogue had them stop singing when any iceberg got within 50 miles from you. The smallest of the small ships wouldn't do that, but anything bigger did. It drove me up a wall.That's is really weird, back when I was playing I memorized the greek lyrics and would often sing along with them. I still have a bunch on my spotify playlist.
>>741553378Any ACTION you make in the animus are only approximation of what the ancestor did.You know what "fundamentally would desync the user of the Animus" ?Anything with a ripple effect. Killing a guard can mean ending his whole family line.Not the ancestor didn't spend 1 year collecting all sort of goodies before continuing the plotline.>Even Valhalla overtakes your decision to play as Havi in the epilogue and forces you to play Eivor so it can sync the epilogue memories properly even if you spent 99% of the game as Havi meaning you were playing it wrong and what you played was not canon.Again,You synchronized with what you thought was the life of your ancestor, you know some events happened, but not the details of how they happened.Did the guy the ancestor assassinated wore a red outfit? Was it blue?Did your ancestor assassinate with his blade? With an arrow?The Animus always fudged,Choosing what your ancestor said then, and seeing what could have happened, is just part of the fudge.>Being able to fundamentally change if people live or die (Kyra and Thaletas) is just one basic example of how it cannot happen like this as it means the memories are completely differentNo different from killing dozen of guards instead of zero, or walking differently from your ancestor.> to what the Animus should be able to present since it's providing you a 1:1>should>1:1If the Animus actually worked 1:1, it wouldn't be a game, it would be a movie.The canon option is just gameplay option, no different from difficulty setting, which is also a fudge.You are just being contrarian because you don't like a game mechanic that still match how the Animus is said to work at 100%.
>>741555131>Yasuke as a historical figure is a western obsession and almost entirely a western inventionStatement with no evidence.>It goes without saying that woke people support woke political interestsYou were babbling about imposing the "sin" of slavery towards Japan. There was slavery in Japan, that's just history. How you can use it for today and the evidence for it is what you lack, but for you taking down confederate statues made to show blacks who was boss and literary create an alternate view of history (daughters of the confederacy, Lost Cause and Northern Aggression narrative) is an attack on history whereas teaching slavery is just a way to "shame" the country as if truth is dangerous. >it also goes without saying that woke people support mass immigration because diversity was a core pillar of their belief system.Migrants come from poor or dangerous conditions, their acceptance by "woke" people steems from their material conditions something you never evaluate as everything is psychological or metaphysical for you. Never engage in the material.>It also goes without saying that yasukes inclusion in AC was a woke one.That's their business.>To push for more diversity they began to subvert western and now east asian culture and history.Historical data is not borrowed from video games, academic historical research does not use video games as sources.>about historical revisionismAsscreed Shadows is a product created for entertaintment purposes, not an academic work presented to any institution for peer review.>The core of wokeism and mass immigration is a backlash against ww2 era nationalism, these forces were kept in check before white guilt opened the floodgates.More assertions without evidence and more psychological nonsense never in the material, just vibes.
>>741554692>Which literally come from a god to watch over you, eagle vision is paranormal by nature.Eagle vision is not paranormal by nature, it's literally just you having more Isu blood than the average person. It's even called the "Sixth sense" by Poseidon.>and you barely know what they define as "not real" since it's all shrouded in mystery.Dude, none of it is shrouded in mystery. Aletheia, a living Isu being, outright explains and shows Kassandra it's not real. Eivor has the same thing happen with the Norse religion multiple times and even directly experiences Valhalla through an Isu Animus. They both find countless Isu Vaults that personally show them their religions are 100% fake and they MEET said "gods" who tell them they're not gods, just Isu. Even in Aletheia's bungled memories Hermes or Adonis tells Kassandra this.>before they learn KOSMOS are the one ruining their life.This was after the Cult knowledge was well established and Myrinne is pulling TEB to go with her to Sparta which they're pissed off at and actively challenging Myrinne about. You even have an argument depending on if you save the kid from the wolf or not.>That's not how I remember ithttps://youtu.be/_C1-NN3S2c8?t=226I think I chose the first option so that's on me then since you got very defensive, but then you immediately whiplash between talking about the gods positively and then getting pissed off that Barnabas would even insinuate they do anything.>You met "cyclops" that were just big guys with a single eyeYou literally see them fall apart into an Apple and multiple people corroborate Cyclops or the Minotaur exist. There's even people who know Medusa exists on Lesbos.>And yet you aren't offering any counter-arguments.You're the one going "Nuh uh" and then when I give you countless examples of how the Animus has been established in the lore you just say it's wrong.
Are they still making that witch assassin's creed?Because that little part of me that enjoyed playing ACII thinks to itself "man assassin witches could be fun" but then the other part me goes "Ubisoft rushes their games and fucked up Japan, there's no way they pull this off."
>>741555930They’re incapable of making a witch game without her being a man hating lesbian that outsmarts the chud male Templars. She won’t be a witch she’ll be a secret female genius biologist/chemist overlooked by religious male patriarchy who believe in blood letting.
>>741526393it was 100% done out of spite for gamers, that's beyond any AC:Shadows of a doubt
>>741555454>You know what "fundamentally would desync the user of the Animus"? Anything with a ripple effect. Killing a guard can mean ending his whole family line.Yes. Welcome to the crux of the issue that making dialogue choices would cause this because the ancestor did not say these things. You can fudge killing a nameless guard in some random street. They can just respawn him because he's a nameless, faceless guard. You can't fudge Borgia being stabbed in the first five seconds they met because you decided Ezio could because it didn't happen.>You synchronized with what you thought was the life of your ancestor, you know some events happened, but not the details of how they happened.No, you know exactly how the ancestor did things but the Animus fills in the gaps leading up to those events which is the gameplay portion of the game. It knows the ancestor killed some person in some location during this time period so it allows the end user to do so even if said person keeps reappearing via the Animus because it's fudging it. It knows the ancestor visited specific locations and gates you from leaving areas the ancestor did not visit which is why the gates exist. It know the birds helped out the various RPG characters in some way but it uses Animus hacks to allow the Animus user to fly around as them, they didn't literally mind control their birds.I mean hell, they literally use the fact that Altair's health bar was his sync bar to establish Altair during all of AC1 never got hit or killed civilians.>Choosing what your ancestor said then, and seeing what could have happened, is just part of the fudge.Do you not understand the concept of fudging? It's something minor that can be overlooked.>If the Animus actually worked 1:1, it wouldn't be a game, it would be a movie.Yes, that is exactly what it is. This is established even in 1 as how you sync the ancestor. Even the movie, which is canon, established that you cannot deviate from your ancestor or you desync.
>>741555715>Statement with no evidence.The entire controvery around the game was the retard who sourced himself on Wikipedia and who was noted as a primary source for the game while appearing on a ubisoft podcast about the game. I'm so fucking bored of arguing with purposely obtuse morons, I can't even be bothered to read the rest of your post.
>>741555454>No different from killing dozen of guards instead of zero, or walking differently from your ancestor.There is an enormous difference between allowing Kephallonia to become riddled with disease so everyone on it dies and not. There is an enormous difference between your brother and family choosing to live vs. killing them immediately once you meet them. These are not minor decisions, they fundamentally shape the entire world.Killing a nameless, faceless guard that Ezio likely did to get through some area is plausible and can be handwaved. They even prevent you from killing specific NPCs in Odyssey and Valhalla even if you know the leader of the Cult for example, or if you know who the OotA leader is in Valhalla when they are passive in the world.The Animus uses DNA to show the end user memories up until a point where they become desynced and then have to copy what the ancestor was doing in order to continue progressing their memories. It fills in the gaps leading up to the important aspects of the person's memories (i.e. history) because they are so minor it doesn't affect anything. If what you are saying is true, that the end user can just make choices, then using it to learn any history at all fundamentally cannot work. Using it as a device to go back into the past and learn history makes no sense because the end user can always deviate from what the DNA is saying to constantly fudge reality and not desync which makes no sense. It would become instantly unreliable to learn anything.We also know for a fact that in between major events (I.e. anything that involves any sort of story moments like side quests or the main story) the Animus user can ignore history to essentially pause their progress and treat the Animus like a snapshot of history and not sync the ancestor at all. It's how AC3's intro works until Desmond become Haytham, it's how the skins and cheats in the early AC games work, it's how the Trial of the Gods work, and it's how MOD works.
>>741542195playing as an escaped slave bringing about the haitian revolution would have been perfect>multiple factions fighting for control>asymetric warfare built in>the super-natural is already included through shamanism>interesting characters all around>'fuck (big) whitey' makes complete sense in context>could have had a black woman as player character alsobut no.
>>741553676>The only choices allowed by the player are sparing tertiary non-story assassination targetsWhich are not different from the Animus perspective.The Animus never cared about what you call "story" and if killing people in the wrong order or killing different guards doesn't desynch you, then "Gameplay defined choices" doesn't desynch you either.Anything you experience in the Animus has always been an approximation of what actually happened.>You are restricted in having your full moveset actually work for little to no reason and forced into either constantly swapping equipment out just to assassinateThat's just you being petty about pushing extra button to have access to EXTRA gameplay compared to before.The Animus simply fudge what you believe your ancestor used to assassinate. Just like they wouldn't realistically carry a hyperspace inventory.The only to satisfy you would be to actually reduce the moveset just so you can say you always have access to all of it.The loot system being grindy powerlevel shit is another story. I'd absolutely agree that part is the shittiest aspect ever since Odyssey.>t also is what the majority want as it is brought back every single time they even begin to slightly remove it due to pushbackNo that's just the vocal minority and you complain because they, in-fact, ignore you.That and entitled players always wanting MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE not realizing that if they DID pay for such contents, it would come at the cost of something else.Here are your choices:a) a good gameb) 80% of a good game, sacrificing 25% of the ancient era content, for 5% of super modern day (a 20% loss because you need to basically make 2 games)
>>741555930>Are they still making that witch assassin's creed?Yes. The only things we know for a fact right now are>Female MC only.>Initially was supposed to have literal magic like turning into a cat, after the Shadows controversy this was supposedly walked back and may potentially be a Piece of Eden or toned down abilities like chemical reactions that appear as witchcraft instead. We just know it's not magic anymore.>Ezio will be in it in some manner as a character. Potentially like Altair was in Rev via the memory discs since Mirage also had them in its ending.>Supposed to be more like the Jack the Ripper DLC in terms of tone and setting.>Combat is supposed to be more acrobatic whatever that means.>>741556954>if killing people in the wrong order or killing different guards doesn't desynch you, then "Gameplay defined choices" doesn't desynch you either.Except they are massively different things to the Animus. You are not copying what your ancestor said. You as a person are making stuff up to pick a different choice using the skin of the ancestor, ergo you are not syncing with the ancestor's lived history. If you are able to do this then the entire use of it as a historical tool goes out the window because you have no idea what it is fudging and what it isn't.Picking left or right paths when they both lead to the same place with you stabbing Rodrigo is different from you choosing to stab Rodrigo a few minutes earlier despite the memories saying Rodrigo was in that room. The end result is the same and it's not crazy different, but one would sync you because you are adhering to the proper memories and the other is straight up not how it happened. Again, the games are very clear about how the Animus works and fudging it to this degree is not it. Even the movie itself focuses on the aspect of its Animus needing to literally have the physical objects the ancestor had just so you don't immediately get rejected because the sync method is so strict.
>>741557318>Not magic anymoreMy disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
>>741556954>That's just you being petty about pushing extra button to have access to EXTRA gameplay compared to before.Except I have to>Walk up to a guy.>Pause the game.>Click the button that switches me to my Assassin loadout.>Unpause the game.>Stab the guy because my previous loadout did not have the Assassin damage to do this.>Pause the game.>Switch back to my initial Hunter loadout so I can shoot someone with a bow.>Continue on.vs.>Walk up to a guy.>Stab him.>Shoot the other guy with my bow.>Continue on.This ruins the gameplay. In no other AC game am I required to do this to use a basic aspect of the kit I have on me at any given time. Imagine if in AC2 you had to pause the game to equip your gun loadout just so you could shoot someone with the pistol and then pause it again to swap to your melee setup to fight the enemies you just alerted by shooting your gun. Do you know how stupid that is? This is why they immediately threw this system into the trash and Valhalla got rid of the random loot, Shadows made the random loot pointless, and Mirage is identical to Valhalla. All the equipment amounts to is their passive effects and most skill points are used for passive buffs to do minor tweaks to your character at best like slightly more CD or slightly more posture damage.In Origins if I headshot an enemy at level 1 with a Predator Bow all I need to kill the same enemy at level 55 is to upgrade my gloves and obviously equip a higher level bow. I can then go and assassinate someone and fight them in melee combat with zero issues or need to change anything.In Odyssey if I headshot an enemy at level 1 with a Predator Arrow I need to have a full set of Hunter armor, headshot passives, and my entire skill tree filled on the Hunter side to do the same thing at level 100. I am unable to assassinate any enemies outside of the most basic ones and cannot do anything more than chip damage in melee combat as I do not have Assassin or Warrior investment.
>>741533219Idk, but Nobugnaga messed up IRL by not forcing Yasuke to be a Sumo Wrestler. Could've made some japanese dosh, entertained the people and became a famous black sumo.
>>741526393You just play the game cause you don't fucking care about the passion these people put into the story and all you care about is just the action in game. Not all games need to be all action. The rest of us gamers play these games for the story, and gameplay. Assassins creed is a good franchise because they put passion in the games( most of them) Hey how about you make a video on the new AC: Originis. I'm sure your review isn't as fucking terrible as this one. This wasn'T even a good rant it was just shit arguments that you can't back up because your a pussy. And I will say it... Nigger.... What you gonna do about it
>>741555835>Eagle vision is not paranormal by nature, it's literally just you having more Isu blood than the average personAnd anything Isu is from their point of view paranormal divine magic.IRL religion have ALSO always been about making up divinity to explain things they didn't have the science yet to explain.We are also becoming "like gods" using technology, and yet some people still believe their Holy books also work with science.The only difference is that we don't have ANCIENT SLAVER ALIENS to misrepresent as gods, which IMHO would likely still be reinterpreted as being part of god(s) plans.>Dude, none of it is shrouded in mystery...oh yeah. That's why Kassandra had to search for artifacts for thousands years without knowing much of what they are, why, and didn't hand out a book of all known Isu history to Layla along the Staff of Hermes.And to get back on the core of what bother you, 80% of your "she believes it" are social interaction for people of the time, no different from saying "god bless you".>This was after the Cult knowledge was well establishedYes, meaning she can blame THEM and not Sparta for what went wrong.>You even have an argument depending on if you save the kid from the wolf or not.Which Spartan are raised to consider as normal, but can always consider outdated. Civilization change.>I think I chose the first option so that's on me then since you got very defensive, but then you immediately whiplashYou are putting words in my mouth here.>videoThat's the hill you want to die on?First Kassandra simply rejecting being treated like a kid, boasting that (not-omniscient) gods would fear her? But still making an offering out of respect?Aside I'm sure that if you, the player, is a neurotic bipolar, you'll play out of characters at every choices.>countless examplesIrrelevant since everything I said demonstrated that "dialog choices" is ALSO the Animus fudging.
>>741558728>And anything Isu is from their point of view paranormal divine magic.Yes, initially it would seem that way until these people directly tell them these things.>That's why Kassandra had to search for artifacts for thousands years without knowing much of what they areWhy are you even making this point? I'm saying the Isu themselves are not shrouded in mystery as a race to Kassandra or Eivor. They explain who they are directly to them. In Eivor's case she's high almost every time they're involved and the few times she isn't are when she's directly tapped into the Isu Animus experiencing Valhalla with Sigurd, when she visits the Isu vault and speaks with the AI, when she directly speaks to Loki who she knows isn't Basim anymore, and directly speaks to Odin in the ending.>80% of your "she believes it" are social interaction for people of the timeShe straight up mentions mother Earth welcoming her and makes statements in the death scene implying that despite 2000 years later she still believes in the Greek Pantheon. In the intro she can deny the gods behind the statue.>meaning she can blame THEM and not Sparta for what went wrong.She still blames Sparta for what's wrong. You can even do side content after this fact and she's shit talking them. A simple example is siding with Sparta vs. Athens in the final war. She insults and argues with the very side she's siding with about their morality.>Aside I'm sure that if you, the player, is a neurotic bipolar, you'll play out of characters at every choices.Canon Kassandra IS bipolar. She literally just randomly gives up on Alexios for no reason right at the end after spending the entire game trying to save him.>You are putting words in my mouth here.No no, I mean that Kassandra gets defensive then whiplashes, not you. My mistake for wording it like that.
We could have gotten Tenchu, instead we got nigger creed.
I never wanted a Japanese Ass Creed because I knew it'd be boring. And I was so fucking right.
>>741552665Brother here is really arguing with the voices in his head.
>>741558728>Irrelevant since everything I said demonstrated that "dialog choices" is ALSO the Animus fudging.and you're completely ignoring how that fundamentally means that you can't sync history because you are making major decisions in place of the person you are syncing. That means it can't be viewed as a historical tool in-universe anymore and makes the entire process of syncing make no sense as it's unreliable as to what is being fudged or not when it's established in multiple games and the movie what can and cannot be changed.Cal syncing Aguilar required him to copy his movement 1:1, his actions, and more just to sync him at all during all of the "story" portions of his life.Desmond was required to copy Altair as he acted in order to even progress in the sequences.Layla gets kicked out the very Animus from Odyssey during Odyssey because she decided to sync Deimos without having done so previously and then try to avoid beating up a guy and so she had to agree to do it just so the history would play out at all.There is a datalog in Black Flag even questioning if you really had to have sex as the opposite gender ancestor to sync their memories because it was weird for him.Black Flag has an entire story about how non-ancestral DNA works and they're insistent that you have to sync memories or you get kicked out of the Animus and the reason you used ancestor DNA was to sync better.Dialogue choices cannot be something you fudge because it introduces severe changes that stabbing a random faceless guard wouldn't. It fundamentally changes how the event plays out in numerous ways. Killing a faceless guard in a random location you are passing through is easy to handwave away by the Animus because it's filler that happened to get to whatever task is at hand. That cannot happen when you are literally choosing if an entire island gets the plague or not, or an entire revolution happens on the island. That's not a memory anymore, that's a CYOA book.
>>741526393how come when creative design choices are bad, everything else is bad too? the animations and voice acting looked terrible
>>741556278Ever heard of the butterfly effect, starting hurricane with a flap?>killing a nameless guard in some random street.No different from letting your brother live.The Animus only shows you an approximation of what happened. Him living, at least until the end of the game, may change nothing in the Grand game.If you are fudging a butterfly or killing a guard, then you can fudge far more. Again, the Animus only shows you an approximation of what actually happened.>you know exactly how the ancestor did thingsNo you don't.The ENTIRE POINT of the animus is to LEARN how & what your ancestor did and where artefacts are.You can't even trust history book perfectly.>the Animus fills in the gaps leading up to those eventsGaps such as "did she kill her brother or did he die later for unrelated reason?"The Animus reading mixed genetic memories can't even tell which one was the brother or the sister.Some event didn't change, everything else could be fudged. Including dialog choices.>I mean hell, they literally use the fact that Altair's health bar was his sync bar to establish Altair during all of AC1 never got hit or killed civilians.Put aside game-design decision, none of that change any about the Animus not fudging that time you did stupid gameplay things.The mere concept of a "synch bar" or "fudging" pretty much validate that you can get away with choice like killing a guard.AC1 Animus was just unable to accept much fudging.>1:1>Yes, that is exactly what it is.It's not since you can fudge and only approximate what happened and how.>MovieStill not contradicting anything I said or Odyssey's choice. You only watched a more serious-roleplay run.
>>741556789Just read >>741560596 at this point I'm just answering contrarians who just dislike being given a choice-prompt for what the Animus fudge.Yeah, don't go playing the "majority is right" card, this entire discussion is solely because you guy HATE not having a ""canonical"" story (that was never that canonical).That's pure gameplay.>There is an enormous difference between allowing Kephallonia to become riddled with disease so everyone on it dies and notNo more difference than between playing the game in a silly way and a serious way.That's also part of what get fudged.>up until a point where they become desyncedYou just increased the range before it desync.>Using it as a device to go back into the past and learn historyThat's the entire point of the device: Learning where artifact X was brought.You just hate the idea that it was always an approximation and now you can deviate more.It's just gameplay.
>>741560596>Ever heard of the butterfly effect, starting hurricane with a flap?Something that doesn't matter in the context of the Animus? In this instance it is treating a soldier that ancestor killed during that event as having been killed during that period. That is how it fudges it. It doesn't care how the ancestor did it, where they were located when they did it, or what led up to doing it, just that it happened in that general area on the way to something important as part of their memories because it's not the important to the genetic memory. The act of it having happened is the important part. It's why the "Full sync" requirements aren't mandatory to sync an ancestor initially, but you can't unlock specific things unless you do them all because what you are syncing isn't correct so you can't progress.>then you can fudge far moreNo you can't, because if you do this then entire events change surrounding that and you're not even following history at that point. If you beat up Rodrigo with the cardinals he never reaches the Isu vault and Ezio never finds it. If you beat up Rodrigo right before he reaches the Isu vault then none of the Ezio speech to him happens and he has no reason to think the Staff of Eden activates it. Even Shadows forces you to lose to Eamon even if you kill him in both encounters until the Isu vault because that's how it historically happened.>The ENTIRE POINT of the animus is to LEARN how & what your ancestor did and where artefacts are.Yes, and how do you think that happens? By showing you the historical recreation of how that happens. If everything it shows you is an approximation or fudged then you have zero clue what is the important part of it and if you can even trust what it's showing you when what gets fudged has been pretty thoroughly established at this point and dialogue is not one of them because the ancestor did not say those things, you are saying those things through the ancestor leading to a desync.
>>741561138>eah, don't go playing the "majority is right" card, this entire discussion is solely because you guy HATE not having a ""canonical"" story (that was never that canonical).The entire Animus as a concept has set rules, including what it fudges, and makes it very clear. Dialogue is not one of those things.
>>741526393French cucks on a sucide mission. All there is to this.
>>741557318>If you are able to do this then the entire use of it as a historical tool goes out the window because you have no idea what it is fudging and what it isn't.Still useful for many reasons:1) Fudging is only possible "up to a point", increasing the range just avoid bad effect on your subject2) Since the Animus still railroad you toward paths, regardless of how you are clothed in those paths, you can still trust the main aspect of those events.3) If you only care to find an artifact, you want uninterrupted dive until you learn where it happened instead of desynching over the subject deciding to do silly gamer things4) If you cared about history, maybe you have a tracker for the level of fudging happening and you'd ask your subject to replay the events differently>fudging it to this degree is not itThe fact there are degree and it includes murdering guards or NOT show the degree of fudging can evolve. It's just technology.>movieThe movie cannot show 500hours of a completionnist run for practical reasons.
>>741557767As much as I would sneak into Ubisoft to change MANY of their design decision like level-scaling shit, you are just complaining about having extra roleplay choices.>A vs BThat's just you deciding to minmax every single actions, and complaining because some NPC are more armored and trained than others, requiring you to sacrifice combat for assassination.I never looked if there was a difficulty setting that would keep you from changing loadout if you aren't at home.That's just the usual problem of catering to the players every whim, versus forcing the players into a playstyle decided by the dev.
>>741562114>That's just you deciding to minmax every single actions, and complaining because some NPC are more armored and trained than others, requiring you to sacrifice combat for assassination.That is me wanting what over a dozen AC games prior to it had, and what every single game after it has because this idea was retarded: The ability for everything I have on my person to be usable without having to become some random specialist in the weapon type just to make it work at all.Every single AC protagonist is able to assassinate any enemy without issue, is able to fight enemies in melee combat without issue, and is able to use a ranged weapon without issue. They are not specialists in one vocation, they are jacks of all trades. Odyssey makes the literal demigod that is the Eagle Bearer using a Spear of Eden have to focus on one attack type barring a very specific build (Which I used because of this problem) or they can't kill them. It's idiotic.
>>741561685>1) "up to a point"But we already know that if you fudge it in any serious way you straight up cannot progress because the ancestor did not do those things and your mind rejects it. It fudges minute things that do not matter but still happened. Ezio canonically ran around collecting the feathers as a simple example. The implication is he did it as soon as it was available to obtain all of them, not later on even though you can leave it for later on since the point is you did it. The instant it is available he did it, but how he did it isn't important. That is how they tell the story through the gameplay.>2) you can still trust the main aspect of those events.Again, if you are able to put words in the ancestor's mouth you are not syncing with the person because you are not following their lead. What they said has to be accurate, otherwise anything you say can work meaning you are not accurately representing the historical aspect of those events at that point and the entire process of syncing with an ancestor should be rejecting you.>3) If you only care to find an artifact, you want uninterrupted dive until you learn where it happenedThey cannot get uninterrupted dives. This has been established so many times I can't believe I have to mention this. The entire Abstergo Entertainment project had multiple people trying to sync Edward and constantly failing because they couldn't sync with the memories. Noob was only able to do it over prolonged periods constantly leaving the Animus and constantly desyncing. Same with Numbskull.>4) maybe you have a tracker for the level of fudging happeningThat is never once implied or shown in the series even once. Meanwhile Vidic and many others have explained how the Animus works and you have directly been shown how it syncs the player in every single game. Full sync is the only condition we've seen in practice and you have to do it to actually get specific story bits meaning you can't fudge things seriously.
>>741559267Let's be clear: I don't expect hard-SF writing from AC. It is a pretext to keep making games, but these are nothing outside expectation of artistic licence from it.>Why are you even making this point?Because you only look at it from a meta player perspective and no much from an ingame perspectiveThe Isu you meet don't instantly transfer their wisdoms, they way of seeing things, they don't tell you what they believe lies beyond the afterlife, they all keep X or Y from you "for your own goods" which is very god-like.From Kassandra perspective, how she was raised to believe in, her Odyssey, how she seem to have a role, how many of her belief is directly based on Isu technology, how our "science" is nowhere able to explain the crazy she's seen (for us Atlantis was myths)After all this...Why would she stop believing or bringing up a Pantheon that's closer to what she considers real, than our science?Kassandra talking in riddle and not revealing everything she learned? Giving the staff to Layla without telling more? At this point she is pretty much like her father.>Canon Kassandra IS bipolar.Plenty of those are just emotional indecision you can see in everyone, especially under a lot of stress.Alexios looked too far gone a lot of time, sometime posturing against Kassandra to hide that he was questioning himself.>She still blames Sparta for what's wrongWho haven't blamed their country for some gross shit but still want to change it from inside?I would side with Athens tho>No no, I mean that Kassandra gets defensive then whiplashes, not you. My mistake for wording it like that.Thank you for clarifying.I won't deny the choice-system, even used with "canon roleplay" in mind can feel off.But I'll point out that even in a single-route game structure, just choosing a dialogue choice with the wrong timing can feel fake.So I still consider you are blaming the extra choice for what is essentially just personal taste
>>741563645>Why would she stop believing or bringing up a Pantheon that's closer to what she considers real, than our science?Because she's spent 2000 years hunting Isu vaults, was already deeply involved with Aletheia and could ask her anything since she wasn't going anywhere until Layla appeared, spent most of the game being an on and off again believer, used an Isu Animus to literally speak to these people she considers gods that are just Alethia's friends, and more. In Shadows she is also established to know how Pieces of Eden and Isu technology work way more than anyone else.The only really religious Assassin or Templar I know offhand is Shay who is a confirmed Protestant, and that was when he was an Assassin, I don't know if he ever became an atheist after the fact. Both the Assassins and Templars knew even as far back as the OotA and Hidden Ones that all religions in the AC universe aren't real. Every single religious figure just used a Piece of Eden, was a charlatan, was being actively used by one of the groups, or attributed things from the Isu to their beliefs (As seen in the Norse, Greek, Roman, and Egyptian pantheons in addition to the OotA in England essentially blaspheming the Trinity) and they had verifiable proof of all of this and that's without any of the things Kassandra has been confirmed to have been hiding away for those 2000 years.From her perspective and knowledge she has every single bit of proof to prove it's not real and a direct source to explain why it isn't which she can verify using the Isu Animus or just other PoEs.>Alexios looked too far gone a lot of timeCanonically she just drops him for no reason though. Legitimately all game she believes in him and then when he's about to turn it around she just decides he's not.>but still want to change it from inside?From the dialogue in game she hates Sparta as a whole though she does have moments like picture related rarely to troll people (I think this was an Athenian leader?)
>>741559935>major>what is being fudged or not>what can and cannot be changed.>sync better>random faceless>easy to handwave away>fundamentallyOh look, plenty of words that are up to interpretation if not 100% subjective and arbitrary!You are still trying to enforce your personal headcanon (YES) of what is major and what isn't.>when it's established in multiple games and the movie what can and cannot be changedChanging with each version of the Animas.Everything in Odyssey is canon, proving that bigger choices can be fudged.No gods said that you couldn't fudge more than guard, or that he had to be especially faceless.You can kill or ignore more faceless guards than there are people living in Kephallonia!!! Plagues happened all the time in that time.And who know if one of these guard you killed was the ancestor of someone important later?>That's not a memory anymore, that's a CYOA book.The first game wasn't a movie, therefore it was always a CYOA book, you just extended how far you could go and still follow "main" events.
>>741560009I remember Ubisoft used to be at the forefront of high quality acting and motion capture, their animations in Assassins Creed 1 were genuinely impressive for its timeand now we have this cartoon shit
>>741565331>You are still trying to enforce your personal headcanonYou are still trying to blatantly ignore how every game treats these things even when they have shown us how it all works and are consistent throughout each game in exchange for just being able to do whatever you insist works.>Changing with each version of the AnimasOkay, then explain this since you know this in detail.What aspects changed when Vidic upgraded the Animus from the one we saw in 1 to the one we saw in BF outside of being able to access non-ancestral DNA? Full syncing was likely because of Rebecca's modified Animus which was likely left at the vault with Desmond.What aspects changed when they upgraded to the Animus headsets outside of them being portable? Keep in mind we're syncing due to the Assassins hacking our Animus as an Initiate and even then we still have a full sync requirement it's just not optional anymore. You also can't skip around memories.What aspects changed when they went to the movie Animus (Which is canon) outside of a severe Bleeding Effect from using it? The only advantage it had was it let you skip mandatory memories in exchange for going insane because of how easy it was to desync and mandated physical objects to retain that sync.What aspects changed with Layla's Sarcophagus outside of being able to sync DNA in general, not just blood? Because Origins didn't have any dialogue choices and Mirage is implied to still be using one of hers as it's an Assassin close to William which has no choices.What changed with Shadows' version that trapped everyone in Ego's domain that also canonically has no choices?>Everything in Odyssey is canonThe only canon things in Odyssey are what happened in the novelization, Aya being Kassandra's descendant, Natakas being her husband, her helping out Darius, her taking out the Order of the Ancients in Greece, the Fate of Atlantis, becoming The Keeper, and then the Spear of Eden losing its power. Everything else is unconfirmed
>>741526393>>741527330Ghost of tsushima does it better anyway
>>741561225>Something that doesn't matter in the context of the Animus?If a butterfly flap creating a hurricane is irrelevant, >In this instance it is treating a soldier that ancestor killed during that event >as having been killed during that period.With that level of imprecision it doesn't matter if the ancestor did actually kill him or killed 1000 other so long as historically it isn't noticeable, do I need to remind you AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN that history books are not perfect data sources and you don't know what memory is important?>it's not the important to the genetic memory.Sigh.You don't know what's important, you read the genetic memory to learn what happened and then determine what was important or not.If someone killed a VIP historical person and took their identity, with no one able to write down the truth, with no way to find DNA to test later, it would STILL match history books and the Animus could let you live the identity thief happening without any fudging happening.In the grand history, confusing which of a brother or sister had a mythical odyssey become secondary to said mythical figure receiving the Staff of Hermes.>Yes, and how do you think that happens? By showing you the historical recreation of how that happens...with fudging.Up until you reach events that are LESS fudged than others.Guys, I get it you don't like DIALOG CHOICES, but the deviations they create are NO DIFFERENT from the original premise of the game.Just accept it.
>>741561273Fudging dialog is no different from fudging many other things.The way the Animus work in Odyssey is canonhttps://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Synchronization
>>741526393ARE YOU SORRY??
>>741567070>do I need to remind you AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN that history books are not perfect data sources and you don't know what memory is important?Do I need to remind you that the purpose of the Animus is that it's literally an accurate recreation of what happened which is why it's even used and the fudging is strictly to make it so that the unimportant aspects don't need to be adhered to perfectly? You know, like Ezio gobbling down thirty medicines at the same time to represent that he at some point at some time used them? That is what it fudges. Infinitely respawning soldiers is just it fudging it and killing infinite amounts of them is fudging it, however the ancestor killing those people happened somewhere around there so you don't desync even if you kill infinite amounts of them.>You don't know what's important, you read the genetic memory to learn what happened and then determine what was important or not.Do you not even understand the concept of this series? The Animus as a concept accurately presents the information to you and then once that is done you can take that output and modify it to lie to people which is what Abstergo does. The entire Helix Menu in Unity and Devils of the Caribbean is literally that. That is why it is used specifically and why it's used at all. It personally does not randomly show you what is important, the DNA itself does. The memories are objective retellings of the person and the Animus simply facilitates the syncing process to the best of its ability with side effects.>but the deviations they create are NO DIFFERENT from the original premise of the game.They are, because it requires the person who is trying to sync the person to make choices of their own volition that the ancestor did not make. This means that they are purposely overriding what that ancestor did in specific moments necessary to sync specific data or lead to certain events happening.>>741567198You realize your link doesn't prove anything, right?
>>741562610>The ability for everything I have on my person to be usable without having to become some random specialist in the weapon type just to make it work at all.With or without being a walking hyperspace armory?Cause as much as I can sympathize with the powerlevelling shit, as much we can call you out on complaining about weapon-specialization gameplay when it's more credible.If your goal is immersion, you shouldn't be able to carry all weapons TYPE in the first place.Also, get good because Odyssey don't really prevent you from playing with multiple weapon, it just make it extra easy to min-max one type. Nothing wrong either with stronger enemies being harder to assassinate as well as fight.
>>741567808>With or without being a walking hyperspace armory?It's a video game. They all carry dozens of items on their person. Ezio alone has a gun, a crossbow, a Hidden Blade, a dagger, a sword, a large weapon, throwing knives, smoke bombs, actual traps, coins, and his fists to use on demand. No one cares about Hammerspace and they visually show you the weapons on their person anyway while pulling tools out of their asses in every game.>If your goal is immersion, you shouldn't be able to carry all weapons TYPE in the first place.It's a video game.>Nothing wrong either with stronger enemies being harder to assassinate as well as fight.Yes, there is. A knife to your neck is a knife to your neck. Me pressing harder is not going to change that and if I am a trained Assassin I am not missing your vitals because you have something on you. Hidden Blades are also made of Adamant so plate mail means nothing anyway, it would pierce through without issue. Same deal with shooting an arrow into your skull, it's not going to get any more deadly.Your logic is how we got Origins' retarded assassination system in the first place and ruined AC for years until they got their heads out of their asses with Valhalla, and Shadows. Mirage and Valhalla both used the fact they had instakills as a selling point because people hated it in Origins and Odyssey so much. Even Black Flag Resynced had to come out and say they're not an RPG because people hate the system so much and are using it as an advertising point.
>>741526393This game was pre-mogged by Tsushima.
>>741568310Tsushima pre mogged itself
>>741563034>It fudges minute things that do not matter but still happenedAnd more than you think doesn't matter and an island dying to a plague is a minute thing.>Ezio canonically ran around collecting the feathersReally? Yet it doesn't actually matter if you collect them all. They don't block the story.So you are telling me that something "canonical", done in any order or not done at all, don't desync you.>if you are able to put words in the ancestor's mouthYou don't know what your ancestors said, just like you don't know if he turned right or left at a roadpoint.If you fudge how your ancestor arrived to a place, you can also fudge what he said.>historical aspect of those eventsWhich you do not know until you experience them and since you can fudge a murder or 100 it can still be a bit off from what actually happened.>They cannot get uninterrupted dives. This has been established ...as a tech issue as well as the subject ancestry and a bit of a skill issue, did YOU play the game? Joking.The technology evolved and increased the duration of dives. Eventually you leave solely because you are tired.>That is never once implied or shown in the series even once.By definition AC1's health-bar was capable of tracking how close you are to the borders of what can be fudged during an event.Not that it change anything to what I said.>you can't fudge things seriously.>seriouslyAgainSubject to interpretation or unreliable history books.If killing a guard or not is not visible historically speaking, dialog choice may not matter. Maybe you killed a prince as a baby but the midwive stole a baby to replace him and save her life.We are starting to repeat a lot. Frankly, I'm having trouble believing you aren't just trying to get rid of a mechanic you know make sense with the Animus
>>741528928People were okay with Tom Cruise because he's handsome and doesn't represent chimpout in the post BLM era. No one wants to self insert as Sambo dick sucking lips brown as shit gorilla with dreads in a traditional Japanese setting. You wave weapons around enough IRL, fantasy games about blacks should be about obeying the law
>>741526393Blackrock, DEI, SBI. The usual suspects.
>>741569945>and an island dying to a plague is a minute thing.How is deciding an island dies is a minute thing when it would be historically relevant since it's tied to Kassandra's life? These are facts from their lives.>They don't block the story.It happened because in Brotherhood his mother is fine.>done in any order or not done at all, don't desync you.It doesn't desync you because it's not a "main" memory so it's not as important to sync on time but it still happened to them so it still had to be done. This has been established with things like the Lost Tombs for example as Ezio wears Altair's robes in several parts of Brotherhood's flashbacks, and the Feathers as Ezio's mother is fine. Same deal with the chest collection as it's mandatory for 100% syncing, and Ubisoft themselves established the UI you see is canonical to the games and happening in-universe.>Which you do not know until you experience themThe Animus doesn't magically know what is historical, it is written into people's DNA what is and isn't "important". It is an objective, factual representation of history which is why it's used at all. The Animus simply parses the important memories from the less important ones. They don't run multiple runs to determine what is real or not, it's taken immediately at face value. Do you think Abstergo paid dozens more employees to sync Edward's memories after Noob? No, he was the only one.>...as a tech issueIn general. It happens because of how the system works and how you even sync data since the person needs to be compatible to do it on top of accurate.>By definition AC1's health-bar was capable of tracking how close you are to the borders of what can be fudged during an event.Yes, and fudging it meant minor things like being hit or killing civvies.>Maybe you killed a prince as a baby but the midwive stole a baby to replace him and save her life.Do you realize how much you have to change the story for this to even make sense? That's not minor.
'tismoff
The funniest part of this game is the nigger destroying all the Japanese property like an enraged gorilla.
>>741564347>used an Isu Animus to literally speak to these people she considers gods that are just Alethia's friends...which are still "gods" in her book even if it is just a label, a label she can apply to herself.You are talking of a person who -in pure assassin style- decided to accomplish the task she accepted without sharing much if any of all those secrets she learned.Maybe you don't take into account the Assassin's secrecy, way of life, the belief that whatever they do is their business and will only share with people they trust, or consider they should prove themselves first.A demi-god like Kassandra certianly wouldn't feel much of a need to explain her actions to others.Also who know what 2000 years of memories does to someone, someone who is not a "full" god.>Canonically she just drops him for no reason thoughThat's not the defended "cannon". The tragic one where he considered himself beyond redemption, forcing her to kill him.> Myrrine: "Think of what could lie ahead for us. A family as we were meant to be."> Deimos: "I cannot be what you want me to be. The weeds burrow too deep."Which is very fitting thematically.
>>741566605>blatantly ignore how every game treats these thingsSay the guy rejecting how Odyssey and every later game treat these things. "Cannon mode" included.You are just arguing against a mechanic because you don't like choices bigger than "who do I kill or do not kill first?>What aspects changed when Vidic upgraded the Animus from the one we saw in 1 to the one we saw in BF outside of being able to access non-ancestral DNA?>What aspects changed when they upgraded to the Animus headsets outside of them being portable?>What aspects changed when they went to the movie Animus (Which is canon) outside of a severe Bleeding Effect from using it?>What aspects changed with Layla's Sarcophagus outside of being able to sync DNA in general, not just blood?>What changed with Shadows' version that trapped everyone in Ego's domain that also canonically has no choices?As far as our topic is concerned, what changed is how far you can fudge from reality without being desynced. If it doesn't satisfy you, you can also imagine it changed with the diver and the ancestor.If Layla's sarcophagus act the same with or without dialog choices, then logically it means dialog choices are considered as the same kind of "fudge" as everything else.https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Synchronization>The only canon things in Odyssey are what happened in the novelization,>Everything else is unconfirmedMeaning the Animus not delivering absolute 1:1 representation of what happened is canon.
>>741552171Kek like it existing or not will make me buy it, its obvious what they wanted to do. That being said, I will only buy "japanese" samurai games with japanese samurai.
>>741572756>Say the guy rejecting how Odyssey and every later game treat these things. "Cannon mode" included.Except I'm not. Mirage is using the same Animus as far as we know and has no dialogue choices at all. Black Flag Resynced is the Animus that Ego trapped everyone in based on Shadows' current epilogue and there's no dialogue choices in that game.>As far as our topic is concerned, what changed is how far you can fudge from reality without being desynced.and what is your proof for that? Because nothing has fundamentally changed whatsoever with the sole exception being Odyssey and Valhalla providing dialogue choices. Shadows does not have dialogue choices in the Canon Mode, Mirage doesn't have them at all, and BFR doesn't have them at all.>you can also imagine it changed with the diver and the ancestor.That is straight up just headcanon as there is nothing to indicate this since Layla was the diver in Origins for two separate people and has no dialogue choices but had them in Odyssey and Valhalla. MC for Shadows has no dialogue choices in Shadows or BFR.>then logically it means dialog choices are considered as the same kind of "fudge" as everything else.No, it means you are just headcanoning that it works when Word of God shows that Canon Mode doesn't allow dialogue choices in any way in Shadows ergo dialogue choices cannot be canon. The Isu also explicitly say the Animus doesn't let you alter anything in that happened in history from it.>Meaning the Animus not delivering absolute 1:1 representation of what happened is canon.They're unconfirmed because Ubisoft hasn't said anything or shown any follow up to any events from Odyssey that have happened. Same deal with Valhalla. The DLCs had to have happened because Kassandra requires them to have happened for the hand over to Layla to have happened and the epilogue happened because the Valhalla crossover happened to confirm she's depowered and gathering PoEs which is then confirmed via Shadows.
>>741567634>the fudging is strictly to make it so that the unimportant aspectsAnd the realm for "unimportant aspects" is malleable enough to include quote "killing infinite soldiers", and dialog choices.If you are ok with infinite soldiers dying, without even say, the animus requiring you to kill a precise amount, then the fudging can go as far as history books can ignore.>Do you not even understand the concept of this series?Do you? Because you've yet to find any flaws in my explanation of how the Animus work.You go "noooooo this choice is tooo important! but killing infinite soldier isn't">the Animus simply facilitates the syncing process to the best of its ability>to the best of its ability...which means fudging things in way different that what may have happened, so long as it doesn't changes the recorded history.>make choices of their own volitions that the ancestor did not make....as far you know, because if going right instead of left don't "override what that ancestor did" a different dialogue choice or causing a plague don't do it either. You do not even know what the ancestor DID until you've somehow verified what you experienced wasn't fudging".History book report of a man in a white cloak turning on himself on a roof, as if he was a video game character and the controller had a faulty joystick
>>741526393fuck this shallow performative desperate DEI slopwouldn't play it if it was free
>>741555930Yes, but it's gone in for expensive emergency rewrites. Not clear what the fuck we're getting, but given ubi's output, I'm expecting garbage.
>>741552372This GDC would have been before the cheief creative officer got mettoed, no? They could go anywhere going forward.>>741553527Not really. Bic Camera is run by decendants of the Oda clan. They were NOT happy with this game and pulled it from sale early.
>>741552171What weird bigotry. Addams and Joosts were Hatamoto equivalents, with designated territories in the Feudal system they were attached to, and we have records of the women they had sex with thanks to autistic japanese historians. The highest concievable rank Yasuke could have been was Kosho, and if there was a harem involved, he was in it, for lord Nobunaga's enjoyment. See Ranmaru, one of the other koshos for an example. Why are you so intent on being a racist about my people's history?
>>741552138Even the game as it was would have gotten physical protestors outside ubisoft, if they hadn't shut their osaka branch.
>>741551372You skipped the Hatamoto part. It's important here. Keep up nigga.
>>741568204>No one cares about Hammerspace and they visually show you the weapons on their person anyway while pulling tools out of their asses in every game.Then no one cares about gamey weapon specialization either if you don't mind pulling tools out of your asses. In fact, many people appreciate weapon specialization and skill training.>if I am a trained Assassin I am not missing your vitals because you have something on you.If he is a trained Soldier, he will react as he feels you attack, making you miss his vitals, and his armor will make it harder for you to kill anyway.I would change a lot with the skills/inventory system, but the only kind of people I've heard complain about some NPC being harder to instakill (and only at low level), were noobs unwilling to learn to infiltrate without the easy solution.The system is actually a great idea to make the player feel like he is progressing and gaining in power.
>>741551983The funny thing is that a female MC that was historical, to either history or literature WOULD have fucking worked here. But Ubisoft either ignored or was unable to execute it, because AC can't do social stealth anymore. The number one thing that we have in historical records on what a Kuniochi needed to be was fucking hot.
>>741546561I also remember the japanese version of this immediately getting ratioed at the time.
>>741527508Why did they make him look like a molested puppy in every scene he is in?
>>741528163That sounds like the shittiest game design I've ever heard of. They made it so you HAVE to play him lmao
>>741574368Killing infinite soldiers is not how you're supposed to be viewing this because it's the same singular soldier dying over and over. You are not killing infinite soldiers, you are killing that one soldier infinitely because that one soldier is what that ancestor killed so the Animus just brings them back as filler for the user to sell the experience for them and have a smooth operation for them. From the historical point of view that person is dead so when you use the Animus that would just be that person dying and them coming back to die again is the fudged part to make syncing smoother to the Animus side. The same applies to them being avoided. It's a minor event that is irrelevant to the ancestor's personal history and won't break your sync unless it was important (Full sync).>You go "noooooo this choice is tooo important! but killing infinite soldier isn't"Because you fundamentally do not grasp how the Animus works and can't understand what fudging things means within its context nor how syncing an ancestor works.When you sync an ancestor you are essentially pupetteering their skin and the Animus makes you feel all six senses as you do so. When you are doing so the Animus makes you abide to watching what happened within history without being able to change it through your own volition (As stated by The Sphinx). Irrelevant things or things that aren't important to history don't cause you to desync such as throwing a kunai instead of a star for example, or running left if you run right. The butterfly effect does not exist in the Animus, that concept is used for the Isu contacting Desmond.Being able to make dialogue choices and have them lead to different outcomes is fundamentally against how the Animus works because it implies you can sync the memories without issues arising because you, the user, made choices instead of the ancestor. That makes you, the user, the one who affects history instead of viewing it.
>>741556776>The entire controvery around the game was the retard who sourced himself on Wikipedia and who was noted as a primary source for the gameLockey is not the reason Yasuke exists as a historical figure, he wasn't even born yet. Also whatever was going to hapoen to him? Exiled from the country? Execution? Ah yes, nothing happened because the guy making noise was as important as Andrew Yang.
>>741574368>>741576331I'd also like to add that Layla specifically mentions in Valhalla>My Animus is endowed with the ability to suggest alterations to days long past. But from any moment in time, I can extrapolate what MIGHT have been. Calculations of time. I am not confined to what was, but what could have been.So dialogue choices as established by Valhalla are not canon to how a normal Animus functions nor is it how the Animus' presentation of history works in general. They are Layla's Animus using a bespoke Animus hack allowing her to spawn "What if" scenarios that don't desync you from the ancestor, but the experience you are getting is not historical or correct in any way unless you choose the specific options in her Animus that were historical which you don't know. Meaning Odyssey and Valhalla's stories are functionally just her Animus making things up.
>>741575778Have you ever heard of "buck breaking" anon?
>>741526393Making games with a message is different from a message with some gameplay sprinkled in. These companies are focusing too hard on doing the latter and deserve to crash and burn. It's just like how "show don't tell" is better than gargantuan walls of texts for storytelling.
>>741533420>>741533471The difference being these black samurai are cool and Yasugay is Asscreed: Black fag is a literally zesty broken buck. I have zero problems with the concept of black samurai but Ubisoft somehow made that gay instead of cool.There's nothing wrong with Yasuke the historical figure or whatever, embellished or not, and everything wrong with Ubisoft being shit for the past 20 years.
>>741571024>How is deciding an island dies is a minute thing when it would be historically relevant since it's tied to Kassandra's life? These are facts from their lives.Same reasons killing thousand of guards is considered a minute thing, historically the plague could still happen later, causing the same amount of death in a history book. If Kassandra memories are fudged over whether she turned left or right, maybe it's fudged over whether she saved that peculiar family in that particular location. If it's not considered a repressed memory and harder to access, overlooked.>it's not as important to syncThen dialog choices aren't deemed important to sync.>Ubisoft themselves established the UI you see is canonical to the games and happening in-universe.If you consider everything Ubisoft does to be an inviolable canon, then you have nothing to complain about Odyssey or dialog choices.>The Animus doesn't magically know what is historical, it is written into people's DNA what is and isn't "important".My point. The Animus don't portray reality, just what was experienced where what's "important" is drown in a lot of fudging, inaccuracy or events that looked important but weren't or important events dismissed as important.>They don't run multiple runs to determine what is real or not, it's taken immediately at face value.They do since you can desync for doing actions that aren't "close enough", also the information Abstergo is after is typically stuff that isn't fudged beyond recognition.>Do you realize how much you have to change the story for this to even make sense? That's not minor.No change at all since it could have happened and was just fudged as minor since it didn't actually change history. History still recorded what is considered important but real history involved a switch with something that was categorized unimportant.
>>741573747>and what is your proof for that?Playing the games. Ubisoft have dialogues choices extending how far you can deviate therefore it's canon.>nothing has fundamentally changed whatsoever with the sole exception being Odyssey and Valhalla providing dialogue choices.Meaning dialogue choices in some memories are canonical, including in Shadows even if you get an option to reduce the fudge. Other games not having them is irrelevant since they are just a representation that vary according to unknown criteria.No reasons for you to force your personal headcanon.>The Isu also explicitly say the Animus doesn't let you alter anything in that happened in history from it.Changing nothing to what I said. What you experience from those memories still get fudged in ways where thousands of people dying doesn't change history.
>>741526393No one can tell me it isn't malicious propaganda. The entire (((thomas lockley))) revelation is wild.
Ubisoft founder just died in a plan crash and you're laughing about black people in assassins creed?They got him. They are going to do even more damage to the industry and you're LAUGHING.
>>741579197>historically the plague could still happen later, causing the same amount of death in a history bookThat's not how the Animus works. It tells you the history as it is, not how it could potentially be. It doesn't make up random stuff, it is an objective retelling of how things happened.>Then dialog choices aren't deemed important to sync.The entire concept of the user being able to speak and it being something the ancestor didn't say literally desyncs you because it is the user not being in sync with the ancestor it is them acting on their own.>then you have nothing to complain about Odyssey or dialog choices.Except they not only justified it by saying it's not anything normal in Valhalla as I've stated >>741576750, but Ubisoft themselves have outright called it non-canon as of Shadows and has had both Mirage and BFR where it doesn't exist.>The Animus don't portray reality, just what was experienced where what's "important" is drown in a lot of fudgingThe Animus does portray reality, the lesser events aren't as important so it's not as strict in requirements to sync. It still requires you to adhere to history to sync.>They do since you can desync for doing actions that aren't "close enough"When someone desyncs they are unable to follow through with the historical story and act in line with the ancestor. It doesn't mean they're rechecking what they already did, it means they're failing to reach their goal of a fully established memory. When they got Edward synced they didn't double-check it by having people other than Noob sync his data, they immediately went to rewriting history. When Desmond figured out where the Apple was he didn't replay Ezio's memories to make sure it was valid, he went straight to the church.>History still recorded what is considered important but real history involved a switch with something that was categorized unimportant.History still had to have happened as it was. The fudged part is the minor events leading to it.
>>741580579>Ubisoft have dialogues choices extending how far you can deviate therefore it's canon.It's canon to Layla's specific Animus and only her Animus, not the Animus in general.>Meaning dialogue choices in some memories are canonicalThey are not. As established in what Layla said >>741576750 her Animus makes up false potential futures to examine "What if" situations like how the Isu used their calculators to guesstimate where Desmond or Layla would likely be. There is one categorical canon historical option and the rest is fanfiction made up by her Animus. It only syncs because she hacked her Animus to do so. It is not how a normal Animus works and muddies the waters as to what is canon.>including in ShadowsShadows has no dialogue options. They are not present in the canon story that they themselves offer you.>Other games not having them is irrelevant since they are just a representation that vary according to unknown criteria.They are relevant, because if this is a normal feature of the Animus it should be present in non-Layla games which they aren't, Shadows included.>Changing nothing to what I said.It does continue to reinforce my point and go against yours. Your way of fudging leads to major historical changes that would cause desyncs in how a normal Animus works and wouldn't permit the end user to mess around like that. It only works in Layla's Animus because she's personally hacked it to fanfic her potential branches and options. Your dialogue choices would lead to it being the user speaking their words, not the ancestor's.
>>741576331>Killing infinite soldiers is not how you're supposed to be viewing this because it's the same singular soldier dying over and over.At least you recognize that time is part of what can be fudged, so if you can experience killing thousand of soldiers at different locations when it was only one, then a whole island dying of a plague can also be a fudged memory of seeing thousands peoples die of a plague elsewhere.With no conflict with recorded history since plagues happened a lot.>how the Animus works>what fudging things means within its contextYou have yet to find any flaws in my reasoning and you are the one trying to impose arbitrary interpretation of what count as "major, minor, irrelevant...etc". basically setting an arbitrary goalpost that only mean what suit you.And just as I expected you invented a "context" >>741576750 to pretend the Animus worked differently only for two games.>When you sync an ancestor you are essentially pupetteering their skin and the Animus makes you feel all six senses as you do so.You aren't puppeteering, you are just reliving memories of what they did in an imperfect way, with imperfect synchronization, with events fudged so much that 1 guard killed can feel like 1000 killed, while trying to approach the experience closest to reality.The same way the memories fudge over the ancestor taking a right or a left turn, they fudge over what they said, their choices and what happened as a result. Remaining synced as long as the rippling effects remain within what could have happened.>The butterfly effect does not exist in the AnimusIf it doesn't, there's no problem whatsoever with experiencing fudged events that imply far-reaching consequences that are expected to be visible historically.If it does, then everything you can experience without desyncing is defacto still not visible historically.>the user, made choices instead of the ancestorNo it's just a fudge no different from choosing to kill a guard or not.
>>741526393>not growing out of this infantile nonsense of a series by your mid 20-sLiterally a franchise for npcs. Everything, from combat to lore to character traits, is closely watered down and built to appeal to the most basic low common denominator. You can scientifically measure how much of a goy slave you are by directly corellating your age with your enjoyment of these games. If you’re late 20’s early 30’s and bought this abomination, congratulations , you qualify for nwo cattle goy status
>>741530262I legit do not get their obsession with her. If she was le uber badass stronk indipendent womyn why didn't she stop the Mongols raping Asia and Eastern Europe? Why didn't she stop the Roman Empire? What the FUCK was she doing during the two world wars?
>>741580579>Ubisoft have dialogues choices extending how far you can deviate therefore it's canon.Where did you deduce that? At least 50% of RPG dialogue choices are by definition not canon. AShadows also has a setting which enables canon choices in dialogue.
>>741526393>WTF were they thinkingIt was the BurnLootMurder period so they had to virtue signal. I'm not even joking, that was the stated reason why they booted the asian dude out of his own game and replaced him with Floyd.
>>741581403>It tells you the history as it isOh really? So me dashing in circle for no reason was what the Ancestor did?Seriously, no. We've been over this a thousand times by now, at this point you are even contradicting the other anon and if he's here and honest he should jump on you over it.The Animus is always you experiencing an approximation of what the ancestor did and fudge the "unimportant" parts, which can cover anything that don't contradict the history that led to creating the Animus.>Except they not only justified it by saying it's not anything normal in Valhalla as I've stated >>741576750, but Ubisoft themselves have outright called it non-canon as of ShadowsDialog choices are no different from choosing to kill or not someone.Odyssey dialog choices are canon, so are Valhalla, what happen as a result of those choices are just fudge in the experience that led you to experience Alexios as a character when Kassandra was actually the one creating those experiences.>History still had to have happened as it was. The fudged part is the minor events leading to it.Such as different dialogue choices and resulting consequences. As long as it doesn't contradict the percieved history.>>741582020Dialog option are just deviation than the previous Animus models, blame Layla as you wish, it pretty much justify everything I said.>Shadows has no dialogue options. They are not present in the canon story that they themselves offer you.You get to experience entire missions with either Sasuke or Naoe in Canon-mode, which is a vastly bigger fudge than dialogues choices are.>Your way of fudging leads to major historical changes that would cause desyncs in how a normal Animus worksNot "my way" this is how ANY of the Animus works.Again, you are just able to fudge further before any desync happen.You are just fudging what the ancestor said instead of how many guards they killed/ignored.You dislike the game design but it's canon.
>>741526393DEI money compelled them to add Yasuke so they could cash in on Saint Floyd’s death.
>>741585534Start with Odyssey, dialogue choices are no different from choosing to kill 0 of 100 guards.And Shadows literally let your experience missions with either Sasuka or Naoe instead of the other, But I'm not surprised it didn't trigger them, what they actually have is making choice and possibly missing out, but with Shadows, you can't. It's just a save/replay away.
>>741586887Killing 100 guards is also obviously non-canon. If it wasn't, it would be a very different franchise.Just because you can make a choice doesn't make it canon.
>>741586887dang, plenty of typo in my post.
>>741587085By that logic few of the AC game are canon because that's what you can do. Empty entire castles with Yasuke.And if it's "just the Animus fudging thing to make you believe you killed 100 instead of 1", well it sure fudged every kind of guards from everywhere in the cities.
Meanwhile in reality Japan now loves blacks because of soccer
>>741587393>game allowing non canon gameplay means non canon gameplay is canonAre you retarded? That's the opposite of what I'm saying.
>>741587567Killing 100 guards and emptying castles is how you can play the game canonically in Canon mode.You are the one who said something retarded.Own what you said >>741587085>Just because you can make a choice doesn't make it canon.If the Animus let you make a choice, by definition it's something the ancestor can have experienced.Up to you to pretend it's just fudged, a bit.
>>741587826Video game isn't a bible you dumb nigger. If every RPG with "let you make a choice, by definition it's [canon]" then by definition every IP exists as a multiverse.
>>741526393>gamers piss and cry themselves about Ubisoft not putting a Japanese main character in the game, despite the game containing a Japanese personI love performative outrage.
>>741588076Fyi RPG stand for Role-Playing Game, so yes, what you do in it is supposed to be your adventure, your canon, even if it's only minor choices in the journey. Game with multiple endings are a thing. So yes, there are a lot of multiverses.
>>741583691>he doesn't play historical vidya to learn about historybrainlet detected
>>741551402>including a real person from Japanese history is forced diversity
>>741526393>Initial release date March 20, 2025Why are we still talking about this? Nobody bought it.
>>741546394>Ezio's Family version that works really well on Eamon's fightI haven't played Shadows yet so I may come off as ignorant about the theme you posted, but for me it's these two unofficial Japanese Ezio's Family version that do the job:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbui2Ss4knkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax1-a00eq-c
>>741588698>your canonThat's called headcanon you dumb nigger. And headcanon is explicitly non-canon.>Game with multiple endings are a thingAnd games with multiple endings have canon endings, you absolute fucking trogglodyte lol.>there are a lot of multiversesNo, there's simply canon and non-canon endings. This is why we still have fallout games where the enclave/master didn't succeed in their plan.
>>741526393I guess they wanted to crash their stock prices
Why are you idiots arguing over this game? It is a giant piece of forgettable shit. It is a total embarrassment of creativity and gameplay and will only be remembered for the controversy it generated.
>>741526393I gave up around Black Flag. Isn't the series some kinda fantasy RPG now? Is there even an Animus framing divice, are the PCs even proper Assassians?
>>741526393I think they jumped a shark with a real historical figure as a protagonist. I believe they went the Yasuke route to standout in the over saturated market of samurai action/shinobi stealth games. I personally consider it the best AC game since Origins.
>>741533219He's could be a cool side character, but can never be the protagonist, cuz nobody can relate to a nigger, not even actually niggers
>>741551446>black MC>>741588751AC MCs aren't usually actual historical people. He's also a footnote in history and .000000001% of it yet somehow is the MC. Additionally the woke trend is to put blacks as the MC of all historical mediaYou lost
>>741526393let's be real, nobody has given a fuck about assassins creed in over a decade and if the player character was an asian man most people bitching about this game still wouldn't have bought it.
There was no Mansa Musa pilgrimage.There was no Congo genocide.And there was no black samurai.
i think /v/ is like 4 people replying to themselves at this point. these 'controversies' are just the same guys saying the same things over and over and then some retards on twitter take it seriously like it's a major event.
>>741593764I think you're right frog poster.
>>741587472He's no different than sakuragi. He doesn't outweigh Johnny Somalli.
>>741593764>trying to bury how fucking retarded this decision wasNice try
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>>741528324Assassin's Creed has never been a 100% stealth-focused game. You jump and land on a guy from a 10 storey building and start sword fighting with the rest.
>>741526393lol
