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>>741547545
meant to post this

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>>741547545
bit late for that, anon

>>741547545
how?

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>>741548382
>give people the ability to customize their equipment
>everyone immediately goes for wings or effects out the ass in the worst neon variety
most people truly have zero taste

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Guildenberg lost
TOR won

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>>741547545
>card game that's been rumored about for years finally releases
how can someone be so late to trends? did they literally develop this shit years ago and just sat on it?

>>741548620
The big problem is that there's never truly enough customization to allow players to incorporate unique, subtle aesthetic details onto their characters. The only one that actually lets you do that is PSO2.
So to stick out your only option is sparkle faggotry.

>>741547545
does that say chud wars

It will only be ruined if theres no playable furries
>t. tourist

I hope it's going to improve gw2 formula. Awesome game, but it is showing it's age

>>741547545
why is the logo zesty? it doesn't really fit the aesthetic based on the trailer

>>741547545
>make crpg-adjacent game with deep skill build system and computer controlled allies that allows you to experiment with an endless variety of options
>in the sequel equipping a sword means you have these 5 spells
>the third installment will ruin it because the guy in the trailer is black
guild wars died in 2012 and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. everyone who genuinely likes gw2 is a massive MASSIVE faggot and never understood what made gw1 great

>>741547545
Lol guild wars 2 was ducking dog shit too. Gw3 can't be any worse. Hopefully it's better. I remember I day 1 played it with people from chon and it was one of the funnest experiences I could have but guess what? Gw2 was still dog shit compared to gw1

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>>741548869
You'll get Kodan as replacement. Actually degenerates are losing it over no salads, though.

>>741547545

i`m surprised by how much new world influenced combat in games like this, archeage chronicles and chrono odyssey

>>741548785
Nah this game is a Sorcery clone instead of an MtG retread like the old wave of digital card games. This is probably using a lot of old assets but they definitely redesigned it completely in the last couple of years. Pity they don't know that Sorcery's appeal comes from everything about it that isn't the gameplay.

I will play it because what the hell other digital card games are there these days?

>>741548994
maybe I have no taste but gw2 was shit for character customization, the only real choice I could make was human
>I don't want to be a plant
>short races are fun in rpgs but in gw2 they look like harry potter house elves
>charr are cool but too bara for my taste and the hunch looks dumb
>norse guys are also too bara

>>741548994
sylvari were the annoying oc race of gw2 so that makes sensse

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>>741547545
Don't believe the lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1JUwPqzQY

>>741549015
Is there actually any info on the combat? I heard something about more actiony action combat which is sad because GW2 really hits the sweet spot between tab target and full action and if it goes full dark souls then the game can fuck off desu.

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>>741549109
I like GW2, but people really should keep this in mind. Remember when it was going to have an actual mana resource to manage? Where there were no heart quests? When every class was going to have its own unique means to get hero points? Shit changes, is what I'm saying.

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>>741547545
We are at a point in history where people have forgotten the betrayal that was Guild Wars 2 to the Guild Wars players, and consider Guild Wars 3 a betrayal to the Guild Wars franchise.

>>741549214
they're already laying the ground work by saying they won't repeat the mistake of how they treated gw1, and that people shouldn't expect this to be gw2.5. they want all three games to exist as viable options. which makes me worried.

>>741549142
nothing concrete yet, they just keep stressing that it's going to be a different enough experience that you'll still want to play 2
also
>if it goes full dark souls
you uh
you know there are other action games out there right

>>741548942
>computer controlled allies that allows you to experiment with an endless variety of options
This is how i know you never played gw1 in its prime and just secondary shitposting. AI party was added when it was already in maintenance mode and is not intended experience.

I want an rpg, not an action game

>>741549142

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2sRT2d_oc

there s this footage. even if it s false they said they are going more into action combat

if that s soulslike who knows

>>741549214
GW2 would have been an alright game if it didn't parasitize the GW name. If they just named it salad's sodomy adventure it would have been good but it was just not guild wars and I will forever hate them for it

>>741549214
Explain the betrayal. I've never played GW1 so I wasn't there and I've read a lot of seething but it always came across as schizo retards who probably also didn't play GW1. Is there actually any substance here?

>>741549348
they're just very different games, which GW1 fans took as a slap in the face

>>741549282
nigha just because you pull your builds off pvx wiki doesn't mean you can't experiment with a million combinations
>AI party was added when it was already in maintenance mode and is not intended experience.
nigger henchmen were in the game since prophecies. I can tell you never played the game

>>741549348
GW1 was instance based. Not really mmorpg. GW2 you have other players. So maybe some peopledidn't like the change dunno. I preferred 2

>>741549348
They're completely different games beyond design ethos of horizontal progression. Basically people wanted the game to be Guild Wars 1.5 which it wasn't.

>>741549414
or maybe it's that they went from free form character builds to
>gun warrior

>>741547545

please let tab target die and hopefully one of chrono, archeage, riot s or this can take the action mmorpg crown

there s always wow , ffxiv and gw 2 for you granpas let the genre evolve

>>741549462
There's a lot more flexibility in GW2's systems than you give it credit for.

>>741549282
>AI party was added when it was already in maintenance mode
huh? Mhenlo Cynn and Eve are literally on the prophecies box art and available as AI companions??

>>741549583
Some people just can't stand the fact your weapon determines half the skills.

>>741549397
>since prophecies
aka maintenance mode the expansion

>>741549583
yeah wow I can choose to stack different stats and choose if my healing ability removes a condition or gives some stacks of might. callong this depth is an insult to RPGs

>>741549637
>maintenance mode the expansion
are you retarded or something? prophecies is the base game

>>741549637
prophecies is the base game you fucking retard

>>741549637
>aka maintenance mode the expansion
these are the people who tell you that you've never played the game btw

>>741549650
So just like gw1 then?

>>741549808
Try choosing what your combat abilities do in gw2 without buying a new weapon. Go ahead

>>741549348
The super quick rundown as in abandoning everything which made Guild Wars unique
>Fully instanced co-op maps vs Persistent open world, dynamic events
>1,000+ skills, dual-classing, "class-builder" vs Skills tied to weapons, fixed bars, streamlined
>Strict roles (Heal/Prot, Damage, Batteries, Tanks) vs everyone does damage and self-heals
>Slower, static casting, focus on tactical interrupts combat vs Fast, highly mobile, focus on active dodging
>Highly coordinated GvG vs Casual capture points, server vs. server zergs

>>741549904
you said healing abilities though
also why does the weapon thing tickle so many people's tism, basically everything but shields is viable on some build or another

>>741549650
I can tell from your attitude that you don't make your own builds anyway so I don't know why this bothers you so much.

>>741549960
because GW1 establishes that your ability to cast fireball does bot depend on the stick you are holding and even a warrior can do so if they want.

GW2 tramples continuity while also playing in the same world which is a big no no

>>741548823
>unique
Fuck that I was a charr guardian in full blood legion grunt armor the only unique part was whatever weapon looked cool at the time
Disgusted with what gw2 became

>>741550065
see that just sounds like you're pissy at gw2 for not being gw1

>>741547545
I hate prequels so much, it's almost impossible to immerse yourself or become invested when you know the future of the series and how everything goes to shit.
>get to see Orr at it's best, but then know it's all gonna sink
>get to see Ascalon at it's best, but then know it's all gonna get wasted
>get to see the gods in their glory days, but then know they're all gonna become coward fucks
>get to see humanity at it's finest, then realize it's gonna get turned in to a diarrhea multicultural shithole everywhere except Cantha, which gets turned in to a hideous green mess
>get to see the old races, then realize almost all of them get rekt

It's both annoying and sad, especially when there's no grand prequel story to tell like some Star Wars ep 1-3

>>741549960
Weapon thing is stupid but hate for it is way overblown. GW1 1000 skills build anything was very fast solved into rigid role builds that shat on everything homebrew you could possibly come up with. It had MtG problem, except you didn't have kitchen table and chill lgs to do your cute decks in controlled environment.

>>741548620
I only do that with my Sylvari mesmer, who I turned in to a "fairy", all other characters I have are at least attempted to be lorefriendly or world-aproppriate in terms of looks

>>741549348
Best way to put it has to do with the skills.
The limited bar meant that you had to specialize into a role. An elementalist isn't just a dps spewing out every element at will according to their APM rotation. You'll have fire eles for mobbing, water for support, earth for tanking, and air for pvp. This specialization also makes healers more important, as an ally and a target priority, as well as the composition you build as a whole.
The other important thing about skills, is that all the pve enemies use them as well. When you have an enemy selected, there's a skill icon and cast bar that appear right underneath their health bar. You can also hover over the skill to read what it does. The game is actively teaching you as you're playing it, which is important as ultimately it's trying to get you to do pvp in the endgame, including GUILD WARS.
The pvp is where it all comes together, with playing a specific role (because of the skill limit) in a general or specialized team comp (because of the player limit) which can consist of dps, healers, support, and CC/counters. CC/counters being stuff like hammer warriors, touch rangers, or mesmer in general that need to keep track of skill cooldowns/cast/etc.
Meanwhile in GW2, the usual best strategy is to just stack all the buffs, debuffs, and players right on top of each other and hit your rotation.

>>741550232
logic is always "this is fine because we can explore a different time period"

>>741550215
>you are pissed because
>Title
and
>Title 2
>are not following the established world rules
yeah and? If Shrek 2 was about some random dude and not Shrek you would also be pissed

>>741550329
right but this is more like being mad that shrek 2 has different characters from shrek 1

is anyone even still playing reforged

>>741550435
>the magic system is something replaceable like any character

>>741550631
It is though.

The only thing GW3 will improve on is how much gay shit is everywhere

>Show your trailer
>The entire internet calls it Highguard 2
You think the devs are shitting themselves yet or all they all in on denial?
>ackshually its a good thing, political activism is important there was nothing wrong with how Highguard looked

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>>741548981
>Gw3 can't be any worse.
lol
lmao
rofl, even

>>741547545
2 did that

>>741549297
99% of the shit that you call "rpg"s arent rpgs and are in fact just action games, such as troon wars 1 and troon wars 2

>>741547545
I hate MMOs with prequel settings. Who the fuck wants to immerse themselves in a world with an already known, predetermined fate? Anything you do is going to have that narrative boner-killer hovering over it. Also lore limitations. People are going to be miffed you can't play Charr.

>>741550883
>runs out of points to make
>starts sperging out about trannies
many such cases, SAD!

>>741550883
its a spectrum

>>741550818
>ai generated picture that'll show em

>>741547545
it's already ruined.
I'll just treat is as something completely new and get disappointed accordingly, completely unbiased.

>survival crafting is hot thing
>nobody goes to Wurm Online formula
>instead let's do gw2-2
Strange.

It's just guing to be New World 2 right? "Modern Runescape" wannabe half cooked shit without single unique idea feeding on 20 year old lore

>>741550892
Alt timeline caused by the villain in the the latest GW2 expansion

>>741550818
HIGHGUARDIANS, WE ARE SO BACK

>>741551125
All the ideas were done in 90s and early 00s. But non of devs played those games. They played runescape. And mobile games now.

>>741547545
I've never played Guild Wars, but I find charrs hot, is it worth trying them out for that alone?

>>741551187
I guess? Both GW titles are designed to be mostly evergreen so if you want to play them go for it

>>741550892
Nobody immerses themselves into mmo world since forever. GW3 is obviously build on premise what would a good playground for players to fuck around with will be and Orr is pretty decent pick in that regard.

>>741551063
Your literal thousands of online survival craft ARC and Rust likes anon?

>>741551134
if only

>>741551354
it just carries the bitter aftertaste of "this place is going to get raped by the charr and then thrown into the ocean"

>>741550793
100% the latter, they could have drawn or shown anything they wanted and they consciously chose highguardman, it's not an accident, it indicates their designers are being driven by the same principles that made highguard

Did gw1keks forget about eotn or something? Because if something ruined gw1 it's that, not gw2.

>>741552024
PVE skills were what destroyed builds and that ahit is older than eotn

>>741547545
there was a franchise left to ruin?

>>741549684
no he's right, troon wars 1 was shit right out of the gate

>>741551392
Nothing like Wurm Online

>>741552078
this
I remember seeing early pics in game magazines and murmuring under my breath "this is absolute troonery"

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>>741552078
>calls prophecies an expansion
>no he's right because I fantasize about transsexuals
incredible amounts of brain damage anon

>>741550232
imagine playing games for LITERALLY EVERYTHING EXCEPT GAMEPLAY
go read books and watch movies onstead, you fucking retarded tertiary faggot, GAMEPLAY IS /ALL/ THAT MATTERS IN A VIDEOGAME

>>741552196
>visuals is all that matters in movies
this and other retarded takes were brought to you by schizoposting(tm)

>>741550793
they've been all-in denial ever since troon wars 2 launched and shitpvp (their original intended monetization model, based off the assumption that shitpvp would become a league of legends-sized e-sport) flopped hilariously badly

>>741550972
no, it's really not, it's completely binary, if your game is turn-based, then it's an rpg, if it's realtime then it's an action game, it's as simple as that

>>741552196
this has been debunked since Marvel Infinite and the whole "function vs function" thing
that being said, I'm interested in seeing how they'll iterate on the movement options they touched with mounts in GW2

>>741552196
Post your Batlle Garegga 1cc.

>>741551063
it's not going to be anything like troon wars 2, it's going to be like highguard/destiny 2/warframe

Do you guys all have more information that I don’t have?
All I saw was the mounts and there was a bear guy, nothing about gameplay or story it was all visuals?
Or is there a new trailer/dev piece that I haven’t managed to see yet?

>>741551125
basically, remember that the last thing faggotfaced pencilnecked nigger colin johanssen was working on before crawling back to gaynet after the failure that was jew world, was in fact, jew world

>>741552334
There's the announce trailer and video about the setting and if you're desperate you can make wild assumptions from the card game trailer but that's it.

>>741552334
it's the smell

>>741552328
It felt eerily similar to NGS from teaser.

>>741552376
it would be a lot more conducive to your point if you didn't write like a drunk confederate grandmother

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>>741552250
retard

>>741552294
cool headcanon, there's no "debunking" the fact that gameplay is all that matters for a videogame, it is inherent to the medium, it is the sole reason why it even exists, if you want anything other than gameplay then you need to go invest your time elsewhere entirely

>>741552334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6VjPvQobvg

>>741552423
>>741552401
I do not have a good reaction image that displays my disappointment in the people in this thread for making up things to be angry about.
At least wait for them to show us the gameplay before calling it shit.

>>741552334
apparently you don't have the information that it's in unstraight troongine, or the information that gaynet constantly harps about "the joy of movement" and "momentum-based", and the information that ncsoft has given that aion 2 is catered towards the large scale mmorpg paradigm and troonnwars 3 is catered towards the small scale destiny/warframe paradigm, among other things

>>741552446
die in a fire, faggotface colin

>>741552568
This is basically how guild wars threads go. Undead culture warriors from 15 years ago still desperately fighting against no-one in particular.

>>741552521
I am still waiting for you Battle Garegga 1cc, will take any other prominent enough shmup too. Come on anon you can prove you actually play high gameplay density games right?

>>741552460
>visuals are what distinguishes movies from movies and that's why it's the only thing that matters
>gameplay is what distinguishes games from books and that's why it's the only thing that matters
>retard :'((

>>741547545
What the fuck is Chud Wars 3?

>>741552196
You're on the wrong board if you think "only gameplay matters" because that means you're willing to take any woke dei lgbtq groid golem product so long as it has somewhat passable gameplay

>>741552693
retard x2

>>741552749
strawman harder, nigger
i do not accept csomewhat passable gameplay" under ANY circumstances, you stupid piece of shit, i only accept THE BEST gameplay, all else is trash, no matter what, everything putside of gameplay is purely tertiary and immaterial

>>741552710
the thing that is happening in two weeks
trust in the plan

>>741552836
Ok so any woke dei lgbtq groid golem product so long as it has "the best gameplay"

>>741552671
schizoposting (tm)

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As long as it will have playable Charr, it won't.

>>741548841
kek

>>741553442
bro...

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>>741547545
niggas be like "this is the aesthetic that will pull in millions"

>>741553442
charr are a minority. furries are just loud.

>>741553442
Why are there human hands painted on his chest?

>>741549604
For me it's that you can't rearrange your hotbar
Fucking retarded

>>741547545
HIGHGUARDIANS ASSEMBLE

>>741547545
Guild Wars 2 already did that.

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>>741554443
Peak UI.

>>741555350
if you like it, but in terms of customization it's a zero by design

>>741555487
>prequel
>unreal engine 5
>troonslop artstyle
the trifecta of shit

>>741554443
Every time I think about going back to GW2, I remember you can't remap the scroll wheel. I always, in every mmo, map my two most used abilities to scroll up and scroll down, and it's so ingrained into my muscle memory that I can't play that game.

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>>741547545
i miss him bros ;_;

>>741555593
Charr are for genocide and being made into rugs.
#ascalonremembers

>>741549029
>Sorcery clone
Really?????

>>741549174
sexo
I'm sure there won't be similar designs in gw3

>>741553442
>>741554253
FHD hand placement instructions

I remember there being a comically large number of lgbtqiabbq+ people in GW2 and apparently that only got much, much worse as it went on. I can't imagine how pozzed gw3 will be. I'm expecting at one tranny in the core group of characters.

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>>741549174
h-hot

>>741547545
Its being a prequel is a horrendous idea for an MMO, it means it has predestination and things are expected to be in certain places, they cant fucking do anything.

Aesthetically they have gone from Warhammer Fantasy, to Age of Sigmar. I like how they put a helmet on the guy, because the backlash to a broccoli haired negro on a Highguard mount was too loud to ignore. I like GW1 and 2, this shit is giving me that feeling when you know something is going to be a spectacular failure, which sucks

>>741555842
Its the opposite, they got rid of them, but the damage was done. They tried to cover everything over but it was never quite gone.
>steampunk lesbian whos actually harley quinn, who is just misunderstood and rebelling against the system!
Who the fuck let this writer in the room, this was embarassing. They are fucking telling you they are going to make shit by letting you know they are a lesbian and a woman, stop putting them at the helm of shit.

>>741547545
uuuh bro? your GW2?

>LE HECKIN' SMALL SCALE PARTERINOS
so it's not a mmo
and it ain't a new concept either
so much for THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF MMOs™

>>741555707
It has cards moving on a grid, at least.

>>741550818
I saw this and still think it couldn't get worse then gw2 lol

>>741556231
The evolution of MMOs is to recognize that a new MMO in (current year) is destined for failure, that old MMOs are only successful due to sunk cost fallacy, and that in order to make a successful MMO these days you gotta... not make an MMO.

Simple as.

>>741547545
GW2 already did that.

>>741549214
I never played GW1 but I really enjoyed and still play GW2 I might try GW1 if GW3 is shit or if GW2 falls off too hard. I'm a little worried that GW3 looks a lot more stylized towards the WoW crowd the very cartoonish aesthetic seems a little awkward.

>>741547545
The 2nd one already did that honestly. GW1 was excellent but 2 dropped the ball hard.

>>741555593
first Charr I made was called Tybalt and then I found out that nigga existed

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>>741555593
Fuck that apple nigga. Blish's sacrifice was way more impactful.
>So... don't be mad. I lied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ5DvUGk6bs

is Taimi dead yet

>>741547545
im so sick of tumblr fantasy aesthetics

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>>741556692
I wish personal stories mattered after lvl 40. We'll never know what happened to your warband buddies as a charr.

>>741556858
>We'll never know what happened to your warband buddies as a charr.
Uhh, when was the last time you played? All their fates are revealed in IBS, including the ones you didn't choose.

>>741556937
Well shit.

>>741556967
Yeah. Charr Civil War breaks out, and since you left to become a hero, your warband splits up and takes various sides. It wasn't much, but your starting companion shows up at the start of the PVE WvW-esque map. And you end up killing several of your potential companions at the end of the first map's meta. Unfortunately, even if you chose them in LWS your Charr doesn't say anything.

Probably the last interesting plot GW2 ever had. Charr wanting to return to tradition and the Commander turning into a soldier who actually commits a war crime was kino. But of course they fucked it up in the second half.

Wasn't GW1 about necromancers and shit?

>>741549348
>Explain the betrayal.

>name your game Guild Wars
>has a game mode called Guild vs. Guild

>name your game Guild Wars 2
>there is no game mode called Guild vs. Guild

>>741556487
no actually people just shifted to gacha games.

>>741556921
The most recent thing on this is from 11 years ago. I know at least half the people there haven't been at the studio in years.

>people said GW2 had good combat
>try it, it's one of the worst combat i've ever played
>literally no feedback, everything is floaty as fuck, I got so bored playing it

>>741559189
it has good combat by MMO standards,
anything older than it is shit, and anything newer than it has failed or is just generic tab targeting

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>>741556858
As much as I liked Personal Story it really was something that became a burden on the game, hence why they all coalesce into the "main story". When you think about it adding a new race would've also required a complete new PS for them. It was one of those things people clamored for but ANet would never deliver. I bet they even regretted adding the Revenant.

>>741559189
You need to try ESO. That's some floaty shit.

>>741547545
What could it possibly do that 2 hasn't already?

>>741559689
regress. they already said it will be "something between 1 and 2".

>>741559689
In the same way that 2 was different to 1, they've stated they want to have 3 different to the previous again.
So it'll be a different game doing different things.

>>741549348
I don't know why a pack of retards went out of their way to deeply explain the mechanical nuance like it matters at all when literally the first thing in your post was mentioning that you never played GW1 but to explain the actual emotional core of the "betrayal";

GW1 is a wholly unique game with no other game like it really on the market and cultivated a fanbase unique to itself as a result. When GW2 was getting made, because of the size of the studio at the time it came at the cost of support for GW1, leading to active development to end before GW2's release. GW2 itself however was basically an entirely different game to GW1 outside of it's setting.

So if you were a fan of GW1, but not a fan of GW2, you basically got a brand new game that is not like the game you enjoyed, and it came at the cost of any continued support for GW1. That's the substance of the matter. It's not too dissimilar to the current implosion of Bungie where Marathon's existence came at the expense of Destiny, leaving Destiny fans in rancor over it. It was a mistake, Anet even admits it was a mistake, and have been actually ramping up new support for GW1 after the remaster did well and trying to make up for lost time.

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>>741561080
No more betrayal bro. ANET has promised continued support of GW2 and now even GW1.... there's gonna be new content and expansions for both!!! ITS HAPPENING!!!!

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>>741561080
>It was a mistake, Anet even admits it was a mistake, and have been actually ramping up new support for GW1 after the remaster did well and trying to make up for lost time.
Difference is GW1 support costs them chump change and something like Reforged and mobile release opens future income. We'll see if GW2 will get ANY support after GW3 releases. Hell, it's already set out no new expansion because it'll get "re-visited" for the next 18 months, whatever the fuck that means.

>>741561190
DEVONA MUH FUARKING WIFE

>>741561080
GW1 always kept running and the major mistake wasn't dropping the price right down. I never felt betrayed by them doing another game.
GW2 wasn't a sequel in anything other than name, but at least it didn't completely invalidate the game before it and remove all reason to play GW1. They're both enjoyed for different reasons and now are both being supported.

Will it be better than TERA?

>>741547545
>*ruins your franchise*
It's already been ruined since 2012. Guild Wars 2 is shit. Some people say that it's been saved by the various expansions, but imo if you're even able to tolerate the base game long enough to see the expansion content you've basically survived a Darwinian process that weeds out anyone with good taste anyway. The only people who still play Guild Wars 2 are inexplicable exceptions.
I'd say Guild Wars 3 could only be an improvement, but I don't really see a reality where they won't just double down. The Guild Wars universe is already basically a parody of what it once was, and I only see that growing worse.

>>741561080
This shit happens all the time to every game but it's only GW1tards that piss and moan constantly. Fucking move on holy shit you're not special.

>>741547545
I really thought they would go back to the gritty 2000s style and then they come in with this homo auro shit. women getting in the gaming industry has done irreparable damage.

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>>741561372
I don't know anything about TERA beyond Elins. All games with customisable characters should have a race like that.

>>741561190
>Difference is GW1 support costs them chump change and something like Reforged and mobile release opens future income.
Yeah, I'll wait until GW1 gets actual content instead of just new opportunities for them to make money. Most of what we got so far has just been random number tweaking and little meme modes like Melandru's Accord, which require you to have free character slots to begin with so if you're an older player like me who has all slots used up and refuses to let go of any of those characters, you're bound to pay up regardless. The least they could have done is give existing players a free character slot to go with these changes. So far they really haven't convinced me at all with their new "long term" support and content if that's the extend of it.

>>741547545
Guild Wars 2 already did that

>>741561184
This is actually a rare instance where I would believe them at face value. The team working on GW1 is really small with a low operational cost, and the hiring spree they've been on since 2021 when GW3 started pre-production would line up with the ambition of scaling the studio to support 3 games and the support GW2 has continued to get since GW3 started development tracks with that (as they claim that outside of artists, there's no overlap between the GW2 and GW3 staff due to the difference in development tools and engine leave little benefit in poaching)
That, and also part of what fueled that studio goal was the fact that the hall of monuments system between GW1 to GW2 objectively lead to an organic ecosystem of GW2 players purchasing and playing GW1 to obtain rewards for their GW2 account. It was not the original intended goal of the Hall of Monuments system to do this, but it's the result they. I believe their word when they state this goal not because it's a good PR spin, but because they have years of sales data they've spoken about in the past that make it clear that over the long-term it's financially beneficial to them because it gets their newer fans to buy and play their old games and give them even more money as a result for work they already produced.

>>741556921
This. I will not give arenanet any money because they are faggot ass gay ass tranny faggots, nigga

>>741561190
I understand where your skepticism is coming from and I would consider it valid, but to steelman the discussion, GW3 didn't start development this year. The earliest point we knew of GW3's existence in name was that 2024 NCsoft earnings call, but job data and the fact that Collins returned to Anet to direct GW3 would suggest that it started pre-production in 2021 at the earliest.

If GW3 were to have a truly negative effect on GW2's active development, you would have noticed it by now, but in the contrary since the time GW3 started development GW2 entered a period of sustainable regular content updates and expansions where it actually had it's best performing financial quarter since 2017 last year. Taking the opportunity to pause yearly expacs to make the Hall of Monuments 2 to patch and polish the older parts is actually genius because it's not only necessary if you really wish to support GW2 for another 15 years (seriously, that game can still only use 2 cores of your CPU, that's why it runs like shit on modern rigs) it's future investment because unless GW3 is a total flop that fails to make a return on it's own investment, the hall of monuments should create another organic ecosystem of new GW3 fans going to GW2 to earn rewards in GW3, like it did between GW1 and GW2 long term. It's funny that all this news came out so close to the news of Destiny 2 dying, because if Destiny 2 was also given the opportunity to spend 18 months patching the game and cleaning up tech debt and fixing past mistakes it could have avoided end of service.

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>>741562274
>If GW3 were to have a truly negative effect on GW2's active development, you would have noticed it by now, but in the contrary since the time GW3 started development GW2 entered a period of sustainable regular content updates and expansions where it actually had it's best performing financial quarter since 2017 last year.
We did notice it, though. Last three expansions release with 1/4 of the content and then you have to wait for a year until the remaining content is slowly rolled out. This means they had more manpower to allocate to GW3. It just so happens new model coincides with yearly expansions people have been clamoring for since day 1.

>>741561037
That's fine then, a completely separate game.

>>741561470
Every sequel ever created was worked on by developers who never played the original game in the series AND would openly gloat about this on social media? Huh, the things I learn on /v/.

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I'm going to come out and say it. Release Gw2 was fine. It wasnt Gw1 good but I enjoyed it. When the developers all left after Southsun, that was when the game took a nose dive. I'd love to say Especs are what ruined the game, but we'd probably be dealing with the insane power creep regardless.

>>741563321
one of gw2's problems was it got nerfed hard. I'm talking "retards kept dying in starter zones" hard.

>>741563321
>Release Gw2 was fine.
it really wasn't

>>741562494
Correlation is not causation, anon. I'll agree with you that the yearly expac model they do now is not as grand and exciting as their first three expacs, but this is more a case of a team that routinely struggled on content update cadence settling on a business model that's sustainable. The first three expacs all held greater scope, but the work and time necessary with a team of their size made those expacs financially unviable to produce in perpetuity.

Is the consumer effectively spending more for less per expac? Yes, absolutely. I think long-term thanks to all the GW games being designed around horizontal progression it's not the most pressing issue. The yearly expacs coming out in chunks over time is not an issue for a player who bought expacs like Secrets or Janthir over the summer when the expacs are feature complete and remain content relevant and the overall quality and cadence of new content has been far more consistent for the consumer and financially beneficial to Anet compared to a 4+ year wait between $40 Path of Fire and $40 End of Dragons with some dogshit living world updates to fill that massive gap. At the end of the day the art of video games IS a business, and there's always going to be concessions that would need to be made as a result. To me at least, when discussing THE "games as a service" genre, I would always prefer studios going for a sustainable business model over another Bungie story.

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>>741563813
Don't misunderstand. I like the yearly expansion model, but compromises were clearly made and they're not worth the $5 lower price. People also sleep that LW packs were basically expansions-lite as they still charge money for them.

>>741563321
Beta Gw2 was exceptional. By actual release it was already fucked beyond repair.

>>741559452
That may be a "realistic" take on it, but it's not a "proper product" take.
They SHOULD have added new races, backwards compatible to new PS's, and if not hotwire them into questline shit like even WoW manages. Their approach to their development is simply half-assed, not "sensible".

>>741563981
Yeah, I think we can both agree that the current business model for GW2 is a compromise of what their team can accomplish and what players wanted in terms of new content. I just firmly believe that this compromise would have happened regardless of GW3 coming into existence. It has only lead to more money in Anet's pockets in a package that is more clear to the consumer in terms of what they're actually buying. I can at least commend the foresight of Anet's horizontal progression giving the choice to the player on when they want to buy that new content. For people who think that the discounted asking price is still too much for what is offered from the yearly expacs they retain the freedom to simply wait for a sale to find a price point that works for them, in contrast to games like WoW or FF14 where if you refuse to buy the newest expac you are effectively left behind.

>>741561190
They have been doing the annual expansions while gw3 has been in development and no gw2 devs have been sacrificed to gw3, this was mentioned by the lead devs. They have 3 full separate teams with each team handling one of the games. The reason for the revisiting is because the gw2 team is handling HoM for gw3 so they were already down some devs and may as well take the opportunity to fix up parts of the game which sorely need improvements because they really neglected old expansions and the core game.

>>741564627
adding a new race is expensive and for not much gain, they can't even properly fit armour skins for the current races they have, adding another one makes each new armour piece require adjustments so it looks remotely presentable. I reckon thats why gw3 doesn't have any weird bodied race like charr because time of adjusting the armour was time consuming.

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>>741564705
>ff14
>free trial is separate from the full game account
>if you liked it enough to actually buy the game you're now subject to a subscription and can't ever go back to free trial
their entire system is grade a asinine. at least ff11 is about to get a proper trial and not this 14-day shit.

>>741549271
As someone who remembers the feeling of going from GW1 to 2, I’m never doing that again
I wanted to finish making every gen 2 legendary weapon, but I have no desire to touch this series ever again now
>t. Started playing gw1 in 2007

>>741549348
They got players excited to buy GW2 by making them think their progress in this first one would matter
All you got was a bunch of ugly armor and weapon skills you’ll stop using almost immediately

>>741559689
Probably play more like Fortnite or other BR’s. Anet wants something that can compete in today’s attention economy

>>741565237
>no gw2 devs have been sacrificed to gw3,
this is patently false and very obviously happened from ibs onward

>>741563390
it really was, what wasn't fine was them retardifying the game with p2w bullshit with hot

>>741556418
oh just you wait then, the monkey's paw curls

>>741556487
mmos are more successful than ever, the only things that are destined for failure are faggot niche subgenere of everquest-cloned muhmorpigger niggershit that you erroneously pretend are the only mmos, despite the fact that real mmos predate your gay niche nigger muhmorepigger subgenre

>>741553040
yeah, but your hyperbolic hypothetical doesn't ever fucking happen, because wokegroids are incapable of game design, so fuck off with your retarded nigger strawman niggardry, ypu niggerfaggot cocksucker piece of shit

>>741561780
Makes me wonder if we get a monument from gw2 to 3 then. Lore wise it's hard to explain when you go back a thousand years, in a different region that is now destructed.

>>741567137
>Makes me wonder if we get a monument from gw2 to 3 then.
Yes, they already said so.

>>741567254
god damn it

>>741547545
>*ruins your franchise*
Well... blizzard ruined wow themselves so..

>>741567137
>Lore wise it's hard to explain when you go back a thousand years
its some weird echo in the mists manifesting thanks to the gods chilling out on orr

>>741552196
Haha look at the goyim, laugh at the goyim.

>>741566447
IBS was 2019-2021 the gw3 leak didn't even happen until 2024, they would not have been in gw3 development around IBS. IBS was also impacted by covid and the 2019 layoffs, then they had to scramble to shift priorities into supporting gw2 again due to the axing of the other unannounced projects. Anet has always had issues with leadership and direction, the company changed its structure at the start of the annual expansions to allow for what i said which is 3 teams where no product team can just swipe devs from another team, they said themselves each team has to work with what they have.

I’m playing gw2 now, what’s the most fun spec. I’m Indian btw.

>>741548620
say whatever you want about early gw2 but I miss that aesthetic. too bad there used to be this bug where it takes minutes to load the model of other players in.

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>>741567254
Damn, that might make me come back to it. Haven't played since ring of fire or what ever it was named.

>>741547545
it will fall to obscurity because of classic+

just like no one knows about guild wars reforged or guild wars 2.

>>741561470
this, I get it people didn't like GW2, but GW1 wasn't WoW to get updates forever
and also look at what good that did to WoW

>>741569429
What's classic plus? Don't say yet another fucking wow release that will be dropped like a hot potato before release. Boomers won't give a shit unless they can access their items.

>>741569429
gw2 is the most popular mmo right now lol

>>741570006
It was really low population when I was playing it last month

>>741556692
>Blish's sacrifice was way more impactfu
This faggot was in two living world episodes then killed off, you barely know him, your fuck ass only "misses" him because 3rd party software got named after him. His only redeeming characteristic is that he was in the story for so little time anet didnt have a chance to turn him into a faggot like everyone else

>seething about a game that isn't out that we know nothing about
??? new low for this board

>>741559452
>As much as I liked Personal Story it really was something that became a burden on the game, hence why they all coalesce into the "main story".
All the stories coming together is the best part about the personal story, and you only truly get to appreciate it fully by playing through it on multiple characters through multiple races. WoodenPotatoes did a massive multi-character narrative LP demonstrating it.

>>741568102
>>741566447
what fucked ibs was eod. they clearly wanted to put more time between ibs and eod but got forced half way in to shift part of the team to eod production instead. even then they still had to delay it for four months despite having that summer-long return to chain of achievements that clearly was supposed to lead into eod directly

>>741549348
I liked gw1 and i liked gw2(for a few years, but dropped after heart of thorns).
Gw1 was slower paced, its tough to go back to. Lots of great memories, encyclopedia worth of skills to choose from so lots of build diversity.
Great for its pvp, from random arenas to gvg and hall of heroes, and the kurzik vs luxon stuff.
Hunting down elite skills by finding the elite who had it and capping it from his corpse was like catching pokemon.

Gw2 had much fewer skills, and everything about a build was weapon choice, armor stat type, passives, and only 3 slotted utility skills and ultimate. Far less build variety. But it had realm vs realm in 3 way war, which was the main reason I played. AOE cap, no bodyblocking.

Dueling in spvp was not interesting or fun. You could just chose skills to hard counter a person with enough game knowledge. Dodge the big hard hitting things, eat the small hits, save your stunbreak if they are about to rape you. Even with great teammates, its just not fun compared to roaming in wvw either orbiting a zerg killing outliers, defending a tower, hitting camps, or ganking other small squads.

Dungeons were easy braindead repeat content to farm gold or cool skins until fractals and then it was a gear check of some infinitely vertical infusion and trying not to be dragged down by retards who cant dodgeroll or shouldnt be there.

Path of fire or the lame singleplayer pve stuff they added later bored me to death.

>>741547545
>do boring shit for 20 hours for a slightly better peice of gear
Mmos are cattle games

>>741570732
You have no idea how guild wars works. You pea brained homosexual think of regular MMOs.

>>741570576
>they clearly wanted to put more time between ibs and eod but got forced half way in to shift part of the team to eod production instead.
Heres what happened financially behind the scenes:
>PoF expansion releases, ncsoft gets money
>Living World Season 4 releases, ncsoft doesnt get money
>Icebrood Saga releases, ncsoft doesnt get money
>'make a fucking expansion RIGHT NOW and make us money'
>EoD expansion releases, ncsoft gets money
>'fix your fucking content schedule so this doesnt happen again'
>yearly miniexpac model gets introduced
>SotO miniexpansion releases, ncsoft gets money
>JW miniexpansion releases, ncsoft gets money
>VoE miniexpansion releases, ncsoft gets money
>cool now that we're actually making money we can expand the brand
>announce Reforged to entice people to buy gw1
>announce gw3 to entice people to try new game
>announce card game to entice people who like to play card games (apparently its a thing)
The miniexpac model introduced a pseduo subscription model to the game and finally made it profitable.

>>741548620
>>give trannies*
Only female characters have actually customization options. If you play a male character you don't get shit.

>>741551187
Very late reply but fuck it.
They're only enemies in GW1, except for 1 hero party member you can get.
They are playable in GW2 and can look pretty good in some equipment but do get a bit of a second class citizen effect with some stretched textures, clipping and stuff on some armors. They also run on all fours out of combat but generally have some nice animations.
It's hard but not completely impossible to justify playable charr in GW3 but I think it's not super likely. Maybe we'll get an expansion to charr homelands and maybe they'll be added then but don't hold your breath.

>>741570061
Tybalt wasn't in the Personal story for very long either bro. He also didn't do anything besides make you pity him for being retarded.

>>741548660
>"being a mesmer made it easier"
So the whole thing is an illusion spell? That actually makes sense, using the established rules of the world to trans the character, instead of making it 1 to 1 match with modern Western culture/technology.

>>741572042
>Tybalt wasn't in the Personal story for very long either bro. He also didn't do anything besides make you pity him for being retarded.
Correct, thank you for strengthening my agrument

Movementslop is killing open world games and they don't even realize it. The easier it is to travel, the less important it is. Who cares about elevation when you can use your mount to sprint over anything, and drop down from anywhere because you can slowfall with a kite or whatever.

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Is there a single mmo worth getting invested in?

>>741574674
Planetside 2

>Not even out yet
>Tourists posting screenshots from shit that hasn't been relevant in nearly a decade
>Most of those characters are even dead
Some of you really need to let go.

>>741574489
Flying mounts specifically are what pisses me off. It completely invalidates any map design by allowing players to just avoid all of it. In GW2 the roller beetle was awesome, if theyre going to do movement do it like that, not just "not-a-horse" and flying, have hover tech where you have to Tribes your way around the map, or vehicles with actual driving mechanics so you can drift and shit. Make it actually fun to engage with rather than just making you move faster.

>>741552078
Literal mental illness lmao

>>741550631
you can't argue with retards, man. Don't worry, I agree with you and you can tell the talent is no longer there when they allow trannies in the game.

>>741570387
Not really, because only the Sylvari PS actually mattered in the end.

>>741552289
that's just wrong.

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>>741574934
GW2 has had the saddest bunch of haters from the very days of beta. It's so bizarre.

>>741574934
ikr, the writing totally improved by the time EoD came out
and wasn't at all hated in shitpansions like SotE, even by the fanbase

>>741575191
>haters
lmao actual seething community managers in the thread.

>>741557515
>retard doesn't understand why it is called guild wars

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>>741575272
Looks like the anon shattered your ego. He's on point.

Guild wars is so much better than retail WoW…not as good as classic but definitely shits on retail…fun games…my main complaint is that there is too much content in gw2 and I can’t even come close to finishing it all

>>741552289
so chess is an rpg?

>>741570732
You are thinking about WoW and traditional mmos
There is no gear treadmill in GW2.

>>741575272
>No U from a guy posting screenshots that are 11 years old
Sure kiddo.

>>741575782
>>741575467
Shills are so easily identifiable

>>741551187
rope yourself. last thing this franchise needs is more of you vermin infesting it

>>741575879
>I'm addicted to outrage and only come here to vent my teenage rage, so I don't get banned on my social media!
Don't click on threads of games you don't like.

>>741547545
GW2 already ruined it.

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>>741575879
>Mad beyond belief because of a video game he doesn't know
Your booty is up in flames. Best of luck.

>>741549029
>everything about it that isn't the gameplay.
Sorcery gameplay kicks ass.

>>741575879
Are you that final trantasy gaymer who's coming to every guild wars thread? Seek help.

>>741575652
it has a gold farming treadmill that is even worse

>>741547545
Bring back GW1 skills and elite capping and I might fuck around with it
If it is the same skills tied to weapon shit then I wont be interested

>>741574934
>posting screenshots from shit that hasn't been relevant in nearly a decade
do you expect people to keep up with something that they didn't like? that sounds more mentally ill
like warframe negative review after 5k hours mental illness

>>741575191
>how dare you not like a game full of Western politics written by devs who never played GW1
LMAOing @ your life.

>>741575942
>>741576013
I love guild wars! Too bad GW2 isn't good enough to be considered a sequel.

>>741575272
You're sad because it's been 15 fucking years.

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>>741576180
I have good news, Vaelwarden!

>>741576542
I'm not sad, why do trannies love imposing petty feelings on other people?

>>741576557
>Vaelwarden
>Veilguard
you think they would have switched directions after the complete failure that was Dragon Age 4.

>>741547545
the franchise died when they decided to make the second game a skinner box for middle aged women

>>741576834
did the nigger MC, the bisexual lightining and tumblr world design not clue you in

>>741577094
no, this is just another straw on the pile

>>741548841
Lmaooooo

>>741555559
>>unreal engine 5
holy fuck
they are really sending the studio to die lmao

>>741548620
I still remember seeing people with wings running around in Archlord thinking it was the coolest shit. Main problem I have with wings is that these days they're something everyone can easily get, reducing them to a tacky, meaningless presence. They're only cool when a (relative) handful of players have them.

>>741552196
Autistic and wrong.

>>741575272
lmao looks like you were right
they are probably scared shitless for their jobs(rightfully) after the trailer reception

>>741548620
9 times out of ten that’s because you can’t make cool looking normal outfits, especially for male characters. Everything is like, well I like this cloak but the hood has horns or I like this helm but the faceplate is a fucking skull. So at that point might as well go full glowy edgelord or whatever because you can’t look like you want to look. The premier example of this is Diablo 4.

>>741578072
They should be.

>>741575272
>>741578072
Unbelievably obvious samefag, Jesus Christ are you even trying?

>>741547545
GW2 already ruined the franchise. You can't ruin it further no matter how shit 3 turns out.

>>741548823
It's a shame what happened to pso2, kinda depressing that true character customization is now becoming a dead concept in vidya.

>>741548942
Don't bother its genuinely over for guild wars. White men with 120+ iq made gw1 that's how we got 1000 skills a class with dual class and a pvp focus. Basically a tactical crpg in a multi-player environment. Gw2 said uhh nah lol we're way too fucking stupid for that.. let's make a shitty wow clone with bdo wannabe gameplay and extremely gay lore and art.

>>741549348
Gw1 was basically real time tactical rpg but 4-8 man groups with 1000 skills to choose for each class but limited to 8 at a time. It scratched deck building itch, tactical rpg itch, deep build crafting and ran well. Literally nothing is even comparable before or since in an mmo. It is truly unique but took a massive amount of intelligence to create and balance so gw2 abandoned it when the gw1 guys fucked off as is the case for every long running series but for guild wars it was the most insane amount of brain drain ive ever witnessed

The only way GW3 could ever be good is if it completely and totally retcons/ignores GW2's story, removes all the deviant art fairytale disney "woke" shit, and moves on to be a darker, more tactical game.

But anyone who has played GW2 knows this cannot happen. Anet is fucked. GW2 was never good and has only gotten more egregiously bad over time. Thankfully GW1 will continue to exist for many years to come.

>>741581502
>The only way GW3 could ever be good is if it completely and totally retcons/ignores GW2's story
well given how its set a thousand years before it, I imagine this to be the case

>>741581678
>GW2 regularly includes characters old enough to been present during GW3 and fragments of ancient history handwaved by "The Mists"
>GW2 actively retconned the creation myth and metaphysics of the entire setting
Think again

>>741565450
But that is why GW3 would had made Tengu a playable race, by no having the issues GW21 had to implement new races. But GW3 is going to be a prequel, so all hope is lost.

I think they're trying to avoid a XIV 1.0 situation by just making the same exact game again. By having two different styles of game they can have two successful live services instead of just one. So making GW3 a sequel would interfere with their plans of continuing support for GW2