>designated an Empyrean by the two fingers, meaning she could become the god of a new age>rebels against this destiny by murdering her own brother and fucking up the whole world only to try to become the god of a new ageIs she retarded? Y'all niggas really can't convince me that Goldmask is right, because Ranni really embodies the fickleness of the gods, no better than men.
She is a retarded little mongoloid that failed and would've been killed if it wasn't for the miracle of the player character.
That's my elden wife
>>741598469broke up with her on tomadachi life so I can marry Pricilla instead
You’re only a true Elden Ring lorehead once you recognize Godwyn as being the true villain.
>>741598645What did he even do?
>>741598305*Glodmask isn't rightI really need to prof read my posts better.
>>741598589Priciller?
>>741598305she cute tho
I know her VA because she's in the first series of Detectorists and was in Peaky Blinders and I would have sex with her as well as Ranni.
>>741598661didn't listen to mommy
>>741598305She doesn't want to be a puppet (pun not intended) of the Two Fingers so she stuck two fingers up at the Two Fingers and ended up a puppet puppeted by her own will.
She is the only shard bearer who remotely takes an interest in the tarnished
>>741598305>ranni - trying to free herself and everybody from the Outer Gods>goldmask - wants to ensure that literally everybody is a complete slave to the Greater Willranni did nothing wrong
>>741598305>become god of a new age (marioneta femenina de los tres dedos)or >become god of a new age (Free from control)Wow they're totally the same thing.
>>741598305Becoming a vassal to the Two Fingers sucks.They're senile and long forgotten.The Moon is always watching.
>>741602367Who says she would a vassal to the two fingers afterwards? Or the greater will for that matter. All the two fingers are dead at the end of the game anyway, and you kill the Elden Beast.
>>741603465If she became a Goddess in the 'normal way' (however that works) she'd be in the same spot as Marika.
>>741598305perfect wife material
>>741603670The reason why Marika went bonkers is because as a goddess, she wasn't truly omnipotent enough to prevent every personal tragedy from happening to her but she still is an eternal vessel for the Elden Beast goobaby inside Ranni can quit and die normally anytime she wants.
>>741598305Let's describe the endings>age of fracture - everything stays crappy because the greater will is still in charge>age of despair - dude let's eat poop and curse everybody to start the cycle that made Marika become a god in the first place >age of perfect order - everyone's a slane to an uncaring outer God>age of dusk burn - let's live like zombies hooray>Frenzied flame - life is suffering and should not exist. until the great one is fractured again >Age of stars - we won't let the gods interfere with mortals' fates anymore and even the two of us God and elden Lord will refuse to interfere as well gee I wonder why people pick each one
I have a huge fucking problem anons, games arent fun anymore after beating ER +SotE to almost 100% completion ...my body recoils a bit every time my cursor is near other "great" games in my PC like MGSV or Baldurs GateSomething is wrong with me, I might have killed my gaming mojo ...and now they've got a fucking Nintendo exclusive coming up and my mind is playing tricks on me
>>741598661lived in death
>>741598305Being a puppet of the Two Fingers clearly sucks.
>>741602015>>741604125People keep saying “Slave to the Greater Will” as if the Greater Will didn’t fuck off with zero intention of returning. All Goldmask’s ending really does is tamper proof the Elden ring so childish retards can’t keep fucking with it.
>>741604043We really don't know if the Moon would let go of her.
>>741604163Just try something in a totally different genre.Go play some Minecraft or Forza.
>>741604125>most detailed quest in a FROM game>ends with getting the MLGS>only romance in FROM history>the only good endingranni haters are hilarious, Miyazaki made it absolutely clear what the good ending was. Him dabbing on all the miquella trannies in the DLC was just icing on the cake
>>741604461The issue is that Goldmask thinks he's finding the words of God in the wiggles of the Erdtree's branches. Not realizing that the Greater Will never gave a fuck. At least not since Metyr got stabbed like a million years ago.He's locking the world down according to a logic that isn't there.
>>741604461so the Goldmask ending is everybody being a slave to the Elden Beast until some other Outer God comes around and takes over eventually. Ranni is the only one providing a final solution to the Outer God question
>>741599891It's one of tthose meta meta things
>>741604606I'm still slightly mad there wasn't a "get the booty" Miquella ending. You should have been able to point a blade at his throat and tell him to submit to you, then proceed to use him as a mega mindfuck weapon against your adversaries.
>>741604874Moon is an elder God but shhhhh this one's good guy. The correct answer burn it all. Melt it all away with the yellow chaos flame. My lord of chaos.
>>741604695By and large though the baseline logic is fine. The issue is that Marika started fiddling with the presets on the ring and the golden order followed in her footsteps. Depending on whether or not the tarnished slaps Metyr enough for her to fuck off I’d argue that Age of Order is pretty nice all things considered.
>>741598305Woman
>>741605005>fell for a jewish demon's tricksmany such cases, glory to israel!
>>741605005>dude just trust these other fingers they have no ill intentions
>>741598305There is a difference between being a God only because Metyr thinks you're allowed to be and truly TRULY being a free god.
>>741604874Elden beast is dead by the time you initiate order. With the rune of death back in play it should theoretically stay dead. Failing that it should at least be rendered unable to make any changes. Not like it’d be willing to try anyway given the person that broke its nonexistent kneecaps is sitting on the throne.
>>741599967You forgot Morgott stalking you?
>>741598305>pre-dlc>>dude the moon is an outer god lol>post-dlc>dude the moon is just a rock some women fixate onlamest clarification ever
>>741605189He tries to kill you three times, not very friendly
>>741604461They haven't caught up to the idea that it was Metyr larping.
>>741604563I'll try my best, ty
>>741604874>Until some other outer god takes overThat's not how Outer gods work, you mean Stars, if some other STAR comes down and takes over. Elden Beast isn't an outer god it's a star.
>>741605005That's what gets me. The moon's imagery is clearly that of a great devourer. Like the Putrid Mother of Lords of the Fallen. The reason things are going to be cold and dark is because the moon god seeks negation. Ranni is an idiot and got played.
>>741602015explain what is bad about the Greater Will without using buzzwords
>>741605260Taking an interest isn’t always positive, anon. Rykard was also interested in the tarnished, at least interested in eating them.
>>741605164Elden Beast has no will of its own aside from the runes that compose it. I have no idea why people keep thinking the Elden Beast is the manipulator.The whole concept of "the rune has been edited multiple times" makes no sense if Elden Beast had its own rules and morals. You're fighting a wounded cosmic being right after fighting an asshole so hellbent on world his other half created he'd rather it burn than let you change it. Of course it is attacking you. I doubt you even really killed it because it's the ring. You basically beat it down to ring mode and then healed it with your great runes.
>>741605005>moon is an elder Goddoesn't matter because Ranni fucks off to the stars instead of using any of the power she has to influence the world
It is a shame that the lore is more interesting than the gameplay.Dark Souls fucking sucks.Also a shame that the lore makes no fucking sense.Two giant fingers control the world? Okay...
>>741605421the fact Marika decided to shatter the Elden Ring to try and free herself from it? The Shattering was an inside job, Marika wanted Ranni to succeed
>>741605421not inherently evil, but its a parasite on the souls of all living things in the lands between which causes much needless sufferingas someone subject to that suffering (the tarnished), it is undesirable to allow it to persist
>>741605606Why is that a good thing? Now we'll have human tyrants, natural disasters, and other horrible shit going on while uncaring gods ignore it all.
>>741605421The game is derivative of Berserk. So explain why the Godhand is bad without using Buzzwards?The Fingers are basically the Idea of Evil.
>>741605894Humans can overthrow a human tyrant, they can't overthrow a physical god.The human race should be able to determine their own destiny.
>>741606186..... imagine....
>>741605189We should have been able to romance him.
>>741605421https://youtu.be/jARp24AJWLk
>>741606410>Chad genes so strong he beats the Omen curse while Mohg is basically the most bloodfiend esque.
>>741605606That is at least what she thinks will happen.
the Greater Will® isn't even real
>>741598305>by the two fingersThere's your answer. The fingers are psychotic space parasites and if she hadn't done what she did, their plans would have succeeded, she'd have become a slave to their whims, and the rest of us would have been fucked.
>>741605005It's a meme god since its main gimmick is concealment, which is exclusively what Ranni wants to it do for the Lands Between. If you want some real schzio babble headcanon though, I saw some people trying to theorize since all conjure moon spells either fall to the earth or track to a target, that when Ranni uses the moon to conceal the Lands Between from other outer god influence; it'll inadvertently cause the moon to crash into and destroy it.
>>741606621He is, he's the big bang like Ymir described and gave some of his kids some rules. I do miss when it was speculated he was the Sun though.
>>741605894not everyone is built like the tarnished player and can kill multiple gods. enough dudes can kill other dudes.and if take normal diseases over scarlet rot and deathblight
What I hate the most about Souls-slop "story" is that everything happens in a dream-like lalaland, even Bloodborne, so trying to have HEAVY "lore" in that kind of setting is silly.>"WHAT WAS THEIR TAX POLICY?!."But unironically. If the story is set like The Neverending Story or Labyrinth, it's hard for me to take anything but skin deep storytelling seriously.
>>741606886go back to Morrowind, bitch
Basically the cycle just works if the "God" of an age doesn't go insane.
>>741607010Not an argument.
>>741606886I get what you mean, especially with DaS in how the story fits very well to video game limitations>Oh the infinite re-spawning is canon, undead are bound to the fires and can't die. Hollowing is when you quit the game forever.>Oh invasions/summons are undead using crystal eyes to time travel since time is convoluted, this makes multiplayer a canon event.>Oh, the world is filled with hollows which are basically acting like dementia patients, larping as their old jobs while attacking anything that has a whiff of souls on it. This is why everything is a ruin and zombie enemies just sit around all day wondering aimlessly like videogame enemies.It's basically as close as you can get to making your game mechanics as canon as possible, removing "Realism" like having characters eat and take shits.But I can see how writing a new setting each time with moderately different ways to explain the mechanics gets old after a while.
why did Elden Ring have so many god damned swamps?
>>741607436Bodies of water are normal?
>>741607391Where are the normal people? Why is everyone either crazy or mutated?I don't see any working towns or cities. I don't see anyone farming or fishing. I don't see any kids.All I see are crazies and monsters roaming around everywhere, even the cities.How do castles get built and [practical] things get done in a hyper-chaotic world like this?
>>741604964>I'm still slightly mad there wasn't a "get the booty" Miquella ending.That ending doesn't exist because Miyazaki thinks that you're a stupid faggot. He's right.
>>741607715it's a post-apocalypse
>>741598305Getting this bitch pregnant 17 times birthing a new god pantheon immediately after the ending cutscene
>>741607715In DS1 the game was set around 1000 years after Gwyn linked the flame and shit started slowly falling apart when it lost its mojo again.In Elden Ring, we don't have an explicit timeline, but the world has been in either active war or a long cold war depending on the location for at least a few hundred years.Normal people don't make it in a world like that.Marika's magic means that you don't really need to eat and you won't die unless your body is wrecked beyond repair. So everyone is just dry rotting into husks and the strongest aren't going to let you throw your spear away and run home and set up a little farm.
>>741607715In every souls game you are entering in the world years after the world effectively ended. Bloodborne is the one exception, it's more like you've showed up when things are on the verge of collapse.Survivors are always few and far between. The only game where you can really question it is Elden Ring because it doesn't make it clear enough that refugees had left the lands between ages ago and it doesn't help that people like Kenneth Haight act like there is still a civilization worth honoring. This isn't even a mistake though because even Patches points out that his bandits can't even speak and are clearly fucked up from the Destined Death issue.
>>741607989Haight is basically another madman like all the rest. Just not a violent one.He's as crazy as any random soldier that tries to kill you on sight.
>>741608097Yeah I suppose his incompetence with Demihumans makes him seem pretty crazy. But then you have Irina and Edgar. It only really makes sense if you assume that the Lordsworn, despite being basically hollows, are actually a fair bit more competent and orderly. Edgar does say he is sworn to Godrick, so you can pretty much argue that Godrick was the last bit of "sanity" and civilization in the lands between.
>>741606621No it’s real in the setting it just fucked off and metyr started schizoposting
>>741607985thing is if you're still guided by grace your body just fixes itself up. only when you lose your way are you permanently screwed
>>741604163Same, I can't touch action games. Elden ring is the culmination of 10+ years of perfection. From the onset of ds1 it was already leagues above other action games and now ER just eclipses everything.
>>741608367>>741608097He was just too trusting of the Demi-Humans. One of their thugs must have lied and said they would definitely be peaceful.
>>741608816How and why do Tarnished get/have grace?
>>741607985>>741607989Thank you, anons.I've asked this over the years but never got a satisfactory answer until now.
>>741609921Grace is basically like what grace is in a real world religious context. "Divine favor"Marika gives and takes it away at whim.If you have grace, you are subject to all the benefits of the Golden order, this primarily included>Immortality>Healing and freedom from disease>Possibly the lack of need for food and water.>Resurrection from death should you die.>The ability to use divine encantsSome of these perks like healing and eternal youth were tied to the erdtree which has stopped providing them. A process called Erdtree Burial also seemed to be deeply involved with keeping people fresh and young.The Tarnished were stripped of their grace by Marika and sent off to go die in wars for foreign lands and the common theory is she did this because shattering the Elden Ring would fuck up anybody still with grace at the time. It did, because all the Lordsworn soldiers are stuck fighting a never ending war while they can't actually die. It doesn't seem like they can kill themselves either as is evident by the "Agheel pls kill us" guys and the rotting corpse enemies, which aren't marked as those who live in death and have variants tied to different outer gods or conditions.
>>741607989DS2 states there are other places doing, relatively, fine. The place where the merchant in Majula is from? It’s still thriving and working, the blue sentinels are even able to make a racket out of it. The bad priest lady even states her disappointment with Heide’s Tower of Flame being mostly lifeless(so there’s citizens there we just don’t see), and that big cities are still possible because that’s what she wants. And the guy who always calls you a cursed feebled one openly states Dranglegic is nothing special, kingdoms come and go, this is just another one that’s been built. You could even say the place where the sorcery teacher and his (not) apprentice(the girl you can dress up) is still alive and fine, because they never imply they left a long time ago and it’s a big magic city.DS3 is like 5 minutes away from the world ending, even still, you can assume Londor(the place where Sister Freide and the lady who helps you get the Hollow King ending) is doing fine, maybe even good, because it’s all hollows who have rejected linking the flame, so they’re probably LOVING this. I always just imagine that places like Majula and DS1 firelink shrine are bigger and have more people than the game shows, especially Majula because they say crap like “do you know where the mansion in Majula is?” Like I could somehow miss it.
>>741598305woman moment: the videogame
>>741610964Souls games usually have an implication that the center of divinity is the most decrepit place in the setting.It is indeed very apparent in Dark Souls II that the outside world is far less fucked up.In Dark Souls you can't really tell because of the time convolution thing and how most undead you meet can't even tell you how long they've been in Lordran.Petrus and his Party, Siegmeyer and a few other undead make you feel as though their homelands may still have living humans in them. There was even a schizo theory that Petrus isn't undead. But the time shit makes it hard to know just how dead the world is.
>>741598305She traded being a god as a puppet for the Two Fingers with being a god under her own ideals.
>>741598305A plant by the greater will in order to ensure that coomer/gooner/waifufag tarnished fuck off to the stars and leave the lands between to heal in peace. Moral of the story is that gooners cannot heal a shattered world
>>741611539Yea, DS2 is the most “alive” one. 3 is even further along than 1 & 2 in world ending, so it should be really dead, but Lordran and Sable Church screw with stuff. 2 even goes far enough to imply rats were cool, they didn’t care humanity was falling apart. Which is funny to think maybe rats could have ruled the planet?
>>741612046Londor, not Lordran, my mistake.
>>741612046>Lordran and the Sable ChurchLondor was filled with sapient hollows, my guess being they are likely the oldest hollows in existence at the time even during restored fire eras when normal humans were around.So even when the fire fades they aren't that affected, because they're already hollow. It seems it's the "angel" transformation that ails them instead.Anor Londo/ Irythyl is implied to be functioning because it seems Sulyvahn's men, although "wraiths" are still sapient. Grierat implies there are nobles still living there and the city does not look like it is in a ruined state, so I've always assumed it's a blood borne situation where vulnerable people are stowed away. St. Alderich also ran through the city not long ago and other characters like Yorshka make it like Sulyvahn is a tyrant.
>>741612319Yea, lots of stuff implies people are alive and still trading, we just don’t see it because Miyazaki doesn’t feel animating it. Which I get. Then the DLC in 3 just blows it all away by showing the ringed city is JUST falling apart when the rest of the world is piling up on itself. There’s more time screwy stuff going on, but technically ringed city was all good during 1/2.
>>741598305fuck golden orderfuck blue doll bitchI don't care about world without my wife Melina
she doesn't want an over-mind for the world, she wants both direct and indirect influence over the affairs of men to fuck off foreverthis means getting rid of the glownigger fingers and getting rid of the elden ring, the former of which necessitates getting in contact with the carian royal family's original roots among the nox and the latter of which necessitates becoming the reigning goddessit bears mentioning that ranni's form as a doll is very highly reflective of miquella's newly ascended form as a god that reached the divine gate, while also not abdicating any of her personality and not shredding parts of herself away to remove her free will regarding her choices
>>741612539The frenzied Flame is the GW. I think that's the ultimate truth of the game. It's power is so captivating and infectious, it's identity is so closely tied with the cosmology of the game, it has to be him.
>>741612610I don't get why Miquella had to hollow himself out to do all that, he didn't even have the Elden Ring yet.But maybe that's ultimately what's needed to host it.
>>741604268I wonder what Ranni thinks about Rykard by the time of canon. Radahn is in hospice, so killing him is just a kindness. By Rykard is rocking out with his cock out in his murder castle.
>>741599891> puppet of the two fingersIt's made very clear they have basically zero input and the GW doesn't make any demands.
>>741612696st. trina's account of him doing that is that he hollowed himself out both as a form of spiritual cleansing (it's not known if he actually needed to do this) and to, very literally, remove his ability to doubt whether he was doing the right thing or realize the consequences of what he was planning on doingmore or less he was forced to lobotomize himself, or convinced himself he needed to lobotomize himself. he does see marika's gold and the golden order as being imperfect, something that reflects all the way down to miquella's own metal being "unalloyed gold" or pure gold, so i guess miquella's thought process is supposed to be that nobody attained godhood correctly and he was going to do it correctlylike everything else he tried it failed from a combination of conceit and poor planning though
>>741612612I think it’s what remains of the one great
>>741612758Rykard was consumed both literally and figuratively by the serpent. He was no better off than Radahn
>>741612758rykard was trusted enough to get the anti-maliketh claw as a keepsake and contingency plan from ranni but it's also unknown just how long ago the shattering actually was, long enough for the lands between to depopulate but not long enough for thops to have gone insane waiting outside of the raya lucarian academy waiting for a ticket to fall into his lap
>>741598305she cutewhat were you saying?
>>741612957Thops literally got so bored he saw the matrix and learned that sorcery and incants are the same thing, totally independently.
>>741598305https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ-UZ0HO-2k
>>741613042the funniest part is he makes one of the most groundbreaking discoveries of the entire setting and then summarily dies the same way golden order warriors do when their purpose has been fulfilled
>>741612901This, but it does demand a form of order. One host of all things with the ability to decide who and who doesn't benefit from its new world. It's understandable that even if Ranni modified the ring to be as free as possible, eventually Metyr and her spawn would decide to replace her.I think Miquella spelled it out by saying he'd only reign for a 1000 years, the ring eventually gets a new host, and all of Ranni's work would be undone.>>741612957Thops is an oddity, he acts like the civil war was just yesterday, but the Academy has been shut in mommy-raping Renella for what seems like most of the shattering.
>>741605791she shattered the ring because retarded ranni killed her brother and marika got depressed. it's literally all just ranni's fault.
>>741613279Maybe, but the game leaned way more on Marika realizing the system was bullshit.The DLC shows where she grew up and what culture she was surrounded by. The Hornsent are people obsessed with using the crucible to make gods.It's easy to see why she thought it would be a cool idea to become one and create a world without suffering like her people were forced to endure as Jar-food.But then you start reading about how she started reading ancient stone tablets, started seeing her Erdtree collapse and things go to shit. Come to realize her rule wouldn't last forever. It makes sense why she shattered the Ring, it was bullshit.
>>741599891She becomes your puppet though she cant do shit without you.
>>741605791Marika tried to free herself due to a combination of her victim complex imposed by the hornsent and the realization that she was replaceable once she realized other Empyreans were being selected. It all boiled down to her not being the untouchable goddess she saw herself as and freaking the fuck out.
>>741598305Why didn't they add an ending where we buttfuck Blaidd?
>>741612943Rykard is still in there though and appears to have at least a hand in running the show where the serpent is concerned. At the very least it doesn’t seem to mind letting him take the reins when things are going pear shaped during dinner time. It’s implied by his army up and defecting that Rykard went cherry flavored apeshit on his own and the serpent was simply an escalation of his madness. The guy was brilliant but an absolute nutter.
>>741614664sexo
>>741598305I prefer the Goldmask ending because its a pretty Fromsoft kind of ending: everything gets fixed and nothing will ever go wrong ever because now everything is perfect and everyone is happy.
>>741604606there's a romance in dark souls 3 you tourist
Woman moment.
>>741604125Where do you even get the idea that any elder god is in charge in the Age of Fracture? The entire order is still broken, no real final death for anyone, and everyone just keeps fighting until they hollow out or get absorbed/eaten by something.aka the status quo
