The other thread is ass nobody talks about the actual game. Discuss all things Quake
Air acceleration thread when?
>>741606248I played through the first game and some of its expansions for the first time recently, I didn't like Quake's Episode 4 or large chunks of Dissolution of Eternity (mostly its second episode but the first had some moments). Otherwise it was good to great.Weirdly weak-feeling shotgun, but eventually I realized it's basically the pistol equivalent
I fucking hate shamblers so much its Unreal™
>>741606248Anon, the only reason that thread was alive is because the poster who said>Because it requires skillkept samefagging himself.
Quake is not fun. Because they switched to full 3D, it meant they could have less enemies on screen. To compensate, they made individual enemies tankier. Tanky enemies in FPS games suck.
Does anyone remember beer_2 in Quake?The Mexican on the border mode and stuff like that?
>>741606672lol just bait their claw swipes over and over ez money
>>741607018It's decent in Q2 and QC
Two Rails. Imprressive.Accuracy.Headshot.
One time on Quake Live an unc laughed at me and roasted me on coms because I lost control of my bunny hop and crashed into a wall. Why'd he have to put me on blast like that?
>played Q1 for a first time 3 years ago>enjoyed every part of it and its expansions >logical move was to play Q2>got borred on mission 2>got back to Q1 to play fan made modsWhy was Q2 such a letdown?
>>741607237>BunnyhopAverage "arena FPS fans" obsessed with zoomers who's never played Quake
>>741606248I'm enjoying the boomershooter revival a lot, but I don't think quake pvp is ever coming back. The slippery slope balancing of item control amplifies skill differences too much, which means there's only a tiny range of players you can have fun game against. A skill differential that would result in a 20:14 score in something like cawadoody would end up as 20:0 in quake, which means less matches will be fun.
>>741607363I forgot the actual term and was too lazy to grok it. Also another time this Nipponese man started spamming death threats at me with his broken English in Clan Arena because I wasn't doing good enough. Never have I seen such animosity in a playerbase....
>>741607563Lol I got votekicked every time I join Clan Arena, QC players are usually chill but QL players seem kinda schizo
>Family guy level on Brutalist DoomQek
>>741607874I meant Brutalist Quake, fug.Brutalist Quake is so good, the only upside to this faggot year.
It's a game millenials pretend to have played for gamer cred but its actual dogshit and that's why people still play doom and others pretend that they play quake.
>>741607089I personally prefer it, but the enemies need to do more than be bullet sponges. In quake it usually works because the enemies have different attack styles and you can make little unique challenges with them. But when you have nothing to focus on other than shooting the sponge, you're right, it fucking sucks
>>741608038I'm a zoomer and I play QC tho
>>741608038Oh no I am so upset by this comment, I think I will bump the thread.This is me angry: >:~|
>>741607237because it's fun. If you kept playing, you wouldn't have remembered it and gotten better
>>741608093Ok, which map has the less light armors?
>>741607663QL player base is clique mentality. QC doesn't have it because your only choice is to queue up. If QC had a player population large enough, a server browser would remove clique shit, but it doesn't and never will
how come theres like 8 people that play this game? woods frenzy goat mrfancypants and some others, thats it. when is the quake revival
>>741608159I have 3k hours in qc and even I don't know that. probably burial? or blood run. How we feeling about BR new tele btw?
>>741608159I'm fairly new and not gamerpro™ enough to know, the only map I memorised somewhat is Awoken which has 3 green shields iircCorrupted Keep doesn't have rail also
>>741608264everywhere outside of USA and East EU is on life support. Without worldwide players migrating, local servers die too. The latest update made it so long distance players can play again but it's too little too late, especially with the resentment factor being increased with Microsoft bs
>>741606248Why can you accelerate forever by jumping?Does movement slow down over time at a set slow non-percentage rate when you touch the ground? Or is it a bug?
animation interpolation is wrong
>>741606248Clan Arena, 4v4 DM3 is peak fps. No contest.
>>741608467it's evolving math equation.quake 1 physics is a direct translation of what carmack learned when porting mario, but for 3D.X = Acceleration versus frictionY = input*XZ = Y*X = your speed
>>741608516I hate CA. I like resource management, without it, quake just becomes goldeneye with jumps
>>741608616this is pseudo analogy btw, not the actual math in the code
>>741606563my unit measuring and calculator is ready, lets break um maps
>>741608616Carmack wanted to remove it because it was "unrealistic"
>>741608616damn, i didn't understand the answer
I think the levels the community puts out are insanely impressive but whenever I download one and play it I remember that I'm just not a big fan of how Quake combat feels. I'm too much of a Doomfag I guess. There are lot of great custom enemies and weapons and all sorts of stuff so I don't really know why I consistently have that reaction. I haven't tried Brutalist Quake yet so maybe I'll feel differently about that one. Maybe I just need to find "my map pack".
>>741608467This is unironically a good question for an AI chatbot like Gemini or Grok. They are excellent technical-thing-explainers. Short answer:>no friction unless your touching the ground, so minimize that by hop hop hopping>weird vector math shit happens when you turn your view while strafing in midair and you get more speed addition than you "should" because of how the calculation is done>keep hopping to avoid friction and you can add more on each hop, increasing the total over time
>>741608467The equation used to calculate how fast you're going is a little inaccurate but quicker to calculate on a 1996 computer, and if you turn while landing that inaccuracy briefly calculates a higher speed. That very brief speed boost normally doesn't matter, but if you jump before friction slows you back down, you can keep the boost and then repeat the process for an ever increasing speed.
>>741608914Basically bhop's a physics glitch where you can accelerate by strafing and turning your screen in the same directionOf course there's a speed limit, but only if you're on the ground; if you jump you can accelerate to a blazing speedCarmack initially tried to get rid of it, had to cope and just designed Q3 around a simplified version called strafe jumping, you have to hold forward while doing so and can't accel in the air hereExplaining's hard, easiest way to understand the concept would be to mess around in CS bhop servers or QL race maps
>>741609220@grok is the speed increase and acceleration exponential
>>741606248why did they set Quake in Australia?
I'm getting bored of casual in QC should I start playign ranked? How long does it take to find a matchAll the people I know on 'cord who play duel are people like top 50 players in Korea and Japan or some shit
How is it that Q1 has the objectively best gunplay in the franchise
>>741606248HEUH HEUH HEUH HEUH HEUH
I had no idea QC's OST was done by a NIN member lol
Bump
>>741611479The other half done by the guy from DUSK OST
>>741612324Really? Still I prefere Q1's sounds over QC's
>>741606248
>>741606672I hate Unreal so much it's Shamblers
>>741612469>projectile shotgunuhh.. nope!
>>741612349Now that I remember you can pick Vrenna or Hulshult OST in the game options. Of course I like the work from Trent and Hulshult more, but Sonic Mayhem has a special place in the Quack OSTs
>>741606663>Episode 4The spawns were the hardest enemies in the game. I completed the game on nightmare twice, and they always kick my ass.
I was in high school when this came out
>>741613442I wasn't even born when metroid prime came out and i'm in my 20'sYou're old brother
>>741607104i do and i've been trying to find a video of the border jump map for ages to use in arguments on /v/ but can't find one
Furry or fleshy?
>>741613603flashy but I FUCKING HATE SHAMBLERS
>>741613489If you only knew.
>>741606248ITS DA RAINJA!!!!
>>741607284Quake 2 was good, but it was easy to get lost because each of the levels had so many interconnected maps and maze like environments.
>>741606248Anyone else play Quake 1 for the single player campaign? It's fun, atmospheric, and very well balanced. I wish ID had taken the story more seriously not just for Quake but really for everything they made in general. All the programming chops in the world doesn't make the story irrelevant Mr. Carmack!
>>741607363Your revisionism will not take no matter how you push it
>>741613656>SHAMBLED
>>741613991Never heard a Quake player call it Bhop-CPMA maybe
>>741606672I hate demons though.Shamblers are cute.
>>741613603Furry
>>741614139Normies always call strafe jump bunny hop
>>741613683YOU'RE A LONG WAY FROM THE GRAVE, GRAVEWALKER. I'LL JUST SEND YOU BACK!
Painkeep was cool.Shame there were no bots for it.
>>741614187And why is it that supposed "arena shooter fans" on /v/ call it bhop too instead of CPMA?
>>741614239I really doubt that they are even aware of CPMA's existence to begin with
>>741614000GET SUPERNAILGUNNED GET SUPERNAILGUNNED GET SUPERNAILGUNNED
>>741614139it's always been bhoppingpowerbunny is also a thingt. knowr
>>741614139>>741614187>>741614349Your attempts to kill Quake threads with this is as laughable as it is sad
>>741614187>>741614139John Carmack himself referred to "it" (Quake 2/3 era movement judging by the date stamp, so not Q1 air control) as strafe jumping, but also directly compares it to 'hopping like a bunny.' He also refers to people moving that way as 'strafe-jupers' [sic]. What I've gained from this is: it doesn't fucking matter.
>>741606248Where is Trent Reznor when you need him?
>>741606672shamblers are the nortubel of quake
>>741606248Anyone got any underrated campaigns? I need more for my folder.
>>741614956>Where is Trent Reznor
>>741614935Idk, if I see anyone who calls it "bunnyhop" online I immediately get suspicious Lol
>>741615136suspicious of fucking what, someone misrepresenting their nerd credentials? or worse, maybe they played half life first and got used to calling it bunny hopping before playing quake?
>>741615189No, Larpers who never played the game but pretend to do so for gamer credIf you ask them if they played QC, they say no, because the game "is a hero shooter" if you ask them if they play QL they also say noThey always make excuses for why they don't play Arena Shooters no matter what, I've seen like 10 guys on /v/ who've actually played Quake multiplayerBecause the game is the FPS equivalent of 3rd Strike
>>741606248>one anon showed up to play quake on game night on /vm/No one plays quake OP
>>741606248>metadoom >no metaquake
>>741615342The Game Night thread was also just on its last legs in general. In my experience, they manage to stick around for about 3 months until they die off, and it was around that time. At least the BTA server got some use while I was on vacation, so the thread at least closed out well. But otherwise I'd say /vr/ was definitely better for Quake. It was actually playing with them a while back that got me to get a bit more into Quake co-op, because until that point I was futzing around with different sourceports and didn't know that vkQuake/QS-S did well (at least when under 100ms). >>741615307Maybe QC and QL are just ass. Have you ever considered that?
Anyone wanna play Quake? Any game
>>741616067mmm, I dunnoI'm feeling more Xonotic right now than Quake
>>741616131>TroonoticNGMI
>>741606672I love the shamblers
>>741606672If they had an exception for Nightmare's speed increase, I'd like them. Otherwise the whole thing with what this fag is saying >>741607117 just isn't really feasible.
Hop
HUH!
>>741618965>Trent Reznor recorded all the Ranger voices himselfDamn.
Thoughts on Ranger's voicelines in QC? I know only saying Huh for 10 minutes straight would be weird but yk, Quakeguy talking is very strange to me
Quake Dimensions mod is a miracle of the world. It's Quake 1.5And the real Quake 2 is Quake Brutalist 3.
>>741606672>lock on magnetic thunderFuck it.
>>741619245>Quake Brutalist 3I watched the trailer and it reminded me of Doom 2016.
>>741608914so if you take Z number, you get your speed. But jumping takes the value of friction out of the equation, every time you touch the ground, friction comes back in. So the more you jump, the more you get to exploit acceleration mechanics.Mario is the same but vertical, which is why jumping is deemed so memorable and fun from the classics. It feels like an evolving interpolation of jump force versus gravity based on your speed. (Tangent; which is why mario bros 3 has the speedometer on screen).Carmack applied this principle to Z-axis movement instead of Y-axis.In 1994 Nintendo perfected this concept by having a max fall speed in Super Metroid, but if you fall without an identified ground leaving move (moonwalk off a platform), the fall speed evolves based on air friction.They also applied this learning to the All-Stars versions of Super Mario Bros but without the evolving fall speed, which is why those games feel different to the originals.In 1996 Id came across the same issue when players exploited it for movement speed. In Quake 2 they addressed it similarly to Nintendo but because it's horizontal, the implementation results in players continuing to exploit traversal speeds.Quake 3 instead made it an evolving 'feature' where there is also in-air acceleration movements separate from ground movements, this became a fan favourite.
>>741619372It's nice. Architecture, music, guns, lights, maps layouts.
>>741606672just break line of sight while peeking out of cover to shoot him inbetween his "charging" animation of each lighting attack
>>741613603QC says both
>>741613950Carmack admitted he was wrong about story and correlated his prejudice against it to the sudden success of goldeneye and half life. Doom 3 was their first attempt at making story meaningful and they were having a hard time
>>741619084I like him. In Q3 his voice lines are all maniacal sadist coded, QC is prequel to Q3 and sequel to Q1 (possibly sequel to q4 time wise?). It's cool that we can see his descent from a humanitarian perspective.He's slowly forgetting his humanity and although he makes statements of questioning the nature of the arenas, the statements are just him repeating old lines by this point, doesn't have the humanity to know what he's talking about, but he is still saying it.
>>741619903I don't think he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just desperate to get outBJ on the other hand...
quake arena sucks, i only attract anons when its campaign co-op
>>741615342>one anon showed up to play quake on game night on /vm/Kek, that's sad. I managed to get ~140 anons on Mario64 multiplayer when it was fotm.
Would Q5 be possible?
>>741620024it's entirely possible I've just interpreted it that way and you're correct.Full agree with bj though, I feel like The Old Blood hinted at his mind breaking, New Colossus has the relic in the cutscenes that transported him to the arenas, and in it, he calls a lizard a nazi, and a blue blooded samurai a fascist. He's lost by that point.Fun footnote; in the wolfen game with the 2 daughters, at the end, they find BJ and he tells them bluntly that he went through gateways into other dimensions, each more terrifying than the last. But one dimension was him having a barbecue with his daughters, he thought that when he went through a portal ("respawned"), he finally went to heaven. But the nightmare nazis (monsters of arena eternal) followed him and killed everything. Eventually he got back to Wolfenstien earth and was just hiding in a cave.
>>741620218Machine games is working on it and it's apparently officially quake 6. Last we saw though, it was in early preproduction, ideas on a whiteboard.
>>741620291>he calls a lizard a nazi>He doesn't know
>>741620346Hopefully it has both multiplayer and singleplayer
>>741620218Lynch is no longer alive. It wouldn't be the same without him.
>Q1:marine stranded in a mystery dimension >Q2: marine stranded in an alien planet after the entire army got wiped out and has to carry a mission to destroy the Strogg command>QC: warriors from all across the universe stuck in forever duels in the mystery dimensionDid I understand the story correctly
>>741612987I've already played it, what else do I playDon't say alkaline because I've played that too
Quake failed
>>741620218I mean, the studio already heading to bankruptcy. Even if they wanted to make Quake, they should balance the whole game and bundle it with a new game mode. Like you could have a classic mode and new a more balanced mode to avoid stomping
>>741620480I can't guess into anything but QC did have a very short PTS only test period where every player had a very shortened version of the quake styled crouch slide that was entirely unique. It got a lot of positive feedback, was removed after the test and never spoken of again.My best hunch is that it's a design choice for a game where features are more universally focused. Think Quake 4 but next iteration. So I'm hoping for a thematic sequel to Quake 1 with multiplayer included.
>>741620762pretty much. There is a youtube channel that summarises the plot of QC and how it ties with the other games, I always forget the name. Although it misses some important notes so if it interests you after watching the videos, look into it deeper I guess
Is there a need to practise strafe jumping and aiming elsewhere or would i improve just pllaying the game
>>741606248Very satisfying game to play. I love the GL glowing boinging nades
>>741609220>They are excellent technical-thing-explainers.They are terrible technical-thing-explainers. They have a very high strike rate of confidently telling you the incorrect answer.AIs should never be trusted for anything remotely important.
>>741613603Furry. I imagine it as an abominable snowman type
Always wondered if Quake would have been a better game if it came out as originally intended or it ending up as a more or less a 3D Doom clone was a blessing in disguise.
What's the best performant sourceport to play AD with? I tried it on release (or close to it) and it dipped below 70fps at time which I assume was old-ass engine symptoms.
>>741623461Thoughts on Q4?
>>741623461I'm sure they wanted more magical elements to be in the game but ran out of time with the dev cycle.Maybe something more akin to AMID EVIL
>>741606663The shotgun is pretty weak, but it's also accurate and your only real hitscan option for most of the game.
>>741624576I don't remember much. I've played it back when it was fairly new and thought at the time that it was an fps designed for consoles and didn't like it. Also didn't like that it focused on Strogg again.
>>741624576mediocre
>>741620291I wish the writing in the nu-Wolf games was good outside TNO and TNB. The setting is such a good exploration of that Man in the High Castle kind of universe. But TNC was too annoying and I never bothered with Young Blood.
Was it ever revealed who was the writer behind Quake?
>>741624963>The setting is such a good exploration of that Man in the High Castle kind of universeOne of my favourite small world building details in New Order are the alt reality versions of 60's pop rock/garage rock bands, unfortunately New Colossus and Fagblood completely omitted this.
>>741617006if you can't kill multiple shamblers with an axe, on nightmare, frankly - skill issue. it's not that hard.
>>741612469overrated>>741612987flak cannon is glorious
>>741625095Whoever was the dungeon master of their DND campaign
>>741615136retarded zoomer scum
>>741614935>Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't get down a hallway hopping like a bunny rabbitSource on that?
>>741624567Ironwail or VKQuake if you want the AD-specific particles.
>>741625095>Throbs evillyWhat does evil throbbing feel like? My dick only throbs for justice and thigh gap
>>741606248I finished Honey some months ago on PlayStation 5 pro, I had fun.Any other expansions or add ons that you can rec me?
>>741626684Who is this
