>not a gacha >original devs from Dragon's Nest (the only good thing nexon ever did) >gameplay is basically dragons nest x genshin >first character you get is a sexy dark elf slut with a huge axe and a ponytailAre you tapping in, or is this mid cap?
Combat is clunky and enemies are HP sponges forcing you to grind to progress
ugly UE5 graphics
post the dark elf and maybe i will tap it
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>>741607262spunky. you got my attention
I'll try the demo if it still exists tomorrow.
>>741606835i wouldnt say the combat is clunky and the enemies being hp sponges is because it is over reliant on using your team mechanics to do any meaningful damage, what is clunky is the complete lack of momentum when you jump, it feels like shit and they need to add weight to it
>>741606786>Implying Korea ever made a good game worth playingNo I will not be playing this slop, nor should anybody.
>>741607327>over reliant on using your team mechanics to do any meaningful damageIt was a gacha alright, I'm so sick of these character swap rotation gameplay.
>>741606786>gameplay is basically dragons nest x genshinI don't want that. I want Dragon Nest but 2026
>>741606786>plays like gacha but doesnt have the bonus of having a ton of charactersWhats the point of this?
>>741606786>>first character you get is a sexy dark elf slut with a huge axe and a ponytailLiterally designed for anal sex.
>>741606786genshin impact taking off has to be one of the worst things that happened to video games in the last 10 years
Can it be played offline or is it a live service?
>>741608013The worst thing is people making more genshin impacts when we already have genshin impact. This game completely missing the mark by having shitty gacha mechanics and shitty gacha combat instead of simply being DN2 is so tone-deaf I can't imagine it selling more than maybe a few thousand copies globally. Meanwhile literally everyone. Every single person following Hound13 just wants them to FINALLY make DN2.
>>741608028It was clearly developed as a live-service game and is now salvaged into a single-player game. There will be co-op raids and endgame activities tho.
>>741607981This is my thought as well. It started as a gacha so it would have had a development/story roadmap that probably spanned 10 years of bullshit and a multitude of regions. How are they going to address the story and character/build progression when there's going to be nothing to do? I guess itll just fizzle out and be basically nothing like Crimson Desert
>>741608196By simply never delivering on it and cutting it short when it ultimately sells like 2000 copies.
>>741608028The demo seemed to be offline. There are going to be in-app purchases according to /v/ though but idk. Good enough.
>>741606786>not a gacha >original devs from Dragon's Nest (the only good thing nexon ever did) Aw yea->gameplay is basically dragons nest x genshin You know that one comic of the guy kicking down the door and then turning right back around?
>>741606835>forcing you to grind to progressFINALLY anime games not made for babies
>>741606786It looks like garbage, this is nothing like dragon nest
>>741608312Forget about shooting yourself in your own foot - they literally went ahead and cute off all 4 limbs with a chainsaw.
>>741607981>>741608196The publisher of the online gacha version of Dragonsword fucked over Hound 13 which is why they are making an offline version.This is a Let it Die/MegaMan Dive Offline situation where you have to be grateful that you are getting anything at all if you liked Dragonsword, and continue to ignore it if you never gave a fuck about the original game.
>>741608435No that's the worst part, you can really see and feel the Dragon Nest influence and how much they wanted to make a better Dragon Nest. There's a ton of passion, small details and little hints at Dragon Nest in the Demo.But someone took all that soul and told them to make it more like Genshin Impact.
>>741606786>more genshit derivative combathard pass, lamest combat system in existence, its mobile phone cooldown spam, fucking 1 button classes in POE2 are more engaging and interesting, and i hate 1 button classes.Faggot shill OP.
>not a gacha>looks inside>it's a failed gacha repurposed into a single player game, replete with braindead 'gameplay' and autistic grindingWhat did OP mean by this?
>>741608953gacha is a monetization system, if it doesnt have it then it isnt a gacha
They closed dragon's nest? I had fun when you could proc effects repeatedly with multi hits but quit when they patched it out
>>741609121Dragon Nest died forever ago due to multiple publisher fuckups.
Speaking of gachas, is there any game with action combat that's not super fast paced flashy zoom zoom? Every single action gacha I see looks like same shit always doing something like that.Is there really no slower game closer to soulslike or MH?
>>741608576wait i read this drama before so its the offline version huhshame its unreal 5 my potato will struggle to get 60fps even at low settings
>>741609121>>741609161did it actualy eos? i thought it was still running with the original devs after nexon fucked up, like what happened to DFO
>>741606786>Korean dub onlyyikes
character swap slop unfortunat
>>741609175I have a 2070 with a 4790k i7 and i get like 80 fps in the city at max settings
>game looks cool>I have to play itfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck dude, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
>another incelcore weebslophow riveting
>>741609163Not really. Gacha combat tends to rely on character abilities rather than player skill, in part because they have to account for phone controls and in part because gachafags don't really like it.
>Basically GenshinNo thanks
>>741607262I will now play this game
>>741606786Offline only or I won't give a fuck about your shill attempt
Genshit has done so much irreparable and irreversible damage to multiple genres and mediums it's unreal.
Trying to make skill-based gameplay when the input is a touchscreen is like trying to use your dick as a screwdriver. It doesn't work no matter how hard you try to force it to work. Touchscreen controls are SHIT and every developer making phone games realized you gotta make braindead gameplay because of the extreme limitations you're facing. Like seriously you're pressing your fat fingers on to a little screen which also blocks you from even seeing what you're doing so stupid
Let me guess. You press the attack button once and the character swings 4 times?
>>741611629it's only inspired high budget anime games you sperg
>>741606786Too bad its still swap slop
>>741606786>Not a Gachathe UI is Gacha and the Combat is Gacha, plus you swap characters constantly like a Gacha.
are there any flat girls?
>>741606786>>first character you get is a sexy dark elf slut with a huge axe and a ponytailLIESthe first character is some twink faggot, he is the protag and the entire story is about him, second character is some shirtless dude, THIRD character is some elf without an ass.
>>741611814>Gachais a monetization type that has nothing to do with the gameplay itself unless you're fucking braindead enough to think Dungeon Fighter and Overwatch gameplay can be described as gacha
>>741611814Gacha is a monetization model - UI and gameplay systems can't be "gacha". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacha_game
>>741611629I go back further and say BotW as well. The game itself is fine, but the domino effect it had was not
>>741611853>elf without an ass.Good.Elves are titsDwarves are ass
>>741606786I wasn't aware that the demo was out. I'll download it now. I've always been interested in Genshin Impact and ZZZ and shit, but hate gacha and refuse to support it, even the free to play. I will not add to the numbers at all.
>>741606786>Remove the good things from gachas (constant new characters)>The game is still a gacha in gameplayehm...
>>741609069>gacha is a monetization systemno it is not retard. You don't need money involved. It's the mechanics of character aquisition via rolling for them using limited curreny and the daily stamina system used for obtaining resources to level those characters is what make a gacha.
I liked the demoThe combat is simple but it feels satisfying Characters are fun and only bogged down by the Korean voice overThe world design is a bit derivative but it looks nice enough
>>741611853>two male characters right off the batwas this supposed to be a gacha for fujoshis?
>>741612019usual fake out tactic to troll women
>>741611874>>741611893Gacha is not just a monetization model, I play Gacha myself and I can say the UI is basically the same, and the Gameplay system is that way throughout all Mobile Phone games. If you two actually played Action RPG's other than Mobile Phone games you would know there is a difference, but other Gamers can tell easily because they have money and they spend. Besides it looks more like a Mihoyo game than an actual console game. If it was a legitimate game for Consoles and PC it would be on the level of Kingdom Hearts and Tales, it's UI would not be the Mobile Phone UI.
>>741611983>. It's the mechanics of character aquisition via rolling for them using limited currenyyes>and the daily stamina system used for obtaining resources to level those characters is what make a gacha.No. Cucking you out of grinding to stop you from calcifying into the chair exists in a lot of MMOs regardless of gacha/lootboxesbetter luck next time, champ
>>741612073How often do you have to be told that gacha is simple "gachapon" style gambling mechanics? It has nothing to do with anything else in the game - neither the UI nor the gameplay. It describes the fact that you click the gamble button to receive a random Item. Please for the love of god stop being retarded.
>>741612073> the UI is basically the same, and the Gameplay system is that way throughout all Mobile Phone gamesWhich has nothing to do with gacha itself. Your inane rambling is equivalent to crying that the dogshit UI in the new Twattlefield and Cum of Duty being mobile game esque are because of Gacha.> Besides it looks more like a Mihoyo game than an actual console gameall yohomo games are gachas but not all gachas are yohomo.Nobody is saying Dragonsword (Offline) does not look like Gook Genshin. You got a gross misunderstanding of the terminology. You dense fuck.
>>741611909Actually if you look up ryuun youll see that dwarves are mostly tittyflesh
>>741608013I blame BOTW actually. BOTW caused Genshin, among other cancers
>>741606786Isn't this the game that was supposed to be a gacha but it got axed and they shat it out as a single player game to recoup some of the losses?
>>741612332then why is there so little fan service? I don't buy it
>>741606786It's maybe not a gacha but it still has gacha gameplay so what's the point. Dragonsword requires a full on rehaul to be good, basically the Crimson Desert treatment.
it's not gacha, but I say it's gacha, so THERE
>>741609163Where Winds Meet
>>741612332>supposed to beIt released as a gacha>recoup some of the lossesThe publisher fucked Hound13 over by refusing to pay the minimum guarantee, then gave out hundreds of paid currency for free to make people not spend money on the game to 1) avoid paying Hound 13 any cut of the profits 2) devalue Hound 13 so they can buy them out wholesale sort of like when Bethesda fucked over HumanHead with Prey 2.
I might give it a look, the korean only voices might filter me thoughI remember trying to play wo long with chinese voices for it to sound authentic but they really did not bring their best, maybe im just too used to JP, dunno
>>741611983>no it is not retardYes it is.>It's the mechanics of character aquisition via rolling for them using limited currenyIncorrect. There are some gacha games where this does not exist.>the daily stamina system used for obtaining resources to level those charactersIncorrect. There are some gacha games that don't have stamina or don't gate your ability to farm.Gacha is a business model. It says absolutely nothing about the gameplay. If you compare ten different FPS they're all going to have similar gameplay. If you compare ten different racing games they're all going to have similar gameplay. If you compare ten different fighting games they're all going to have similar gameplay. Note that similar does not mean identical; I need to mention that now because I know some retard is going to respond with some fallacy if I don't.
>>741612490it's all niga da yo ne nida.
>>741606786>Looks like a gacha>Feels like a gacha>Plays like a gachaits not very good, and the story in the demo was pretty uninteresting. simply not being a gacha isnt enough for me
>>741606786>dragon's nestDamn, this thing was good.
>>741606786>huge axeYou have my attention.>PC onlyAnd you lost it.
>>741612697I'd never played it. It does look a lot different from the pastel not-gacha demo.
>>741612789>consolenigger
>>741612849Don't care, buddy.
>>741612840Well, it's an old MMO.
>>741612913I remember DN had surprisingly fun combat for an MMOShame if they turned it into character swap garbage
>>741606786>literally only one button for attack strings. Normal combo, dash combo, air combo, that's it>majority of your damage comes from skills that are gated behind status effects?????>have to constantly switch characters adding busy dpad pressings that doesn't work because this game doesn't have working lockons>upgrades only increase numbersDN? More like DOA
>sudden NOT A GACHA anime games>they still play and look like onegrim
>>741611629Second that, what the hell.
>>741606786>not a gachaAll I hear is "not free"
nexon has fucked up countless other IPs. blue archive gave them hubris but they may fuck up again.
Who is genuinely exciting for this shit? Who looks at another fucking two button open world action game with green fields and on the fly character swapping and goes>This is the one! I dropped the other 50 after a month but this is the good one!This is like getting excited for another ubisoft or sony game. They're all the fucking same and you're shitting on the ones that came before (despite enjoying them when you played them) but this one! I gotta make a thread about this one and play it day one!
>>741613097Y'all would sell yourself into slavery if the slaver said it was free
>>741612993Yeah even if its a standalone game and not gacha, if the gameplay is simple character swap garbage why would I play this
>>741613142Maybe if they had big tits.
>>741613097>Ghacha>free
>>741606786Combat is one button swap slop so I dropped it
>>741607532Arcturus>>741606786Not a gacha isnt enough if its korea, i need proof its not numberslop
>>741613179>I CAN'T CONTROL MYSELF! AAAHHHHH!I can.
>how is it MY fault if the developer cannot account for my poor self control?
>>741612157>>741612267Meng hau no Matter how much you west taiwanese opioid addicts sneed we wont stop correctly identifying how tying a games income model to optional purchasing created several classes of live games designed to be godawful chore games with a bloated and content dry gameplay and story. the most lucrative and worst of which is gacha because its not even friendslop tier and only has the same tired gameplay loop to drip feed content
>>741606786>not a gachaFucking finally>mmoOh. We're never getting anime style games ever again that aren't gacha or mmo slop, are we
>>741613130>on the fly character switchingthis is the worst part, I want to get attached to the character I am playing and her big tits it waters down the whole thing
>>741608196Crimson Desert was great
>>741613113This has nothing to do with Nexon
>>741613461character creator status?
>>741608727why did he not simply fuck the trap in the ass
>>741613435Oh no this anon is retarded
>>741613439It's not an mmo. It's singleplayer. They salvaged their failed gacha game and turned it into a solo arpg.However they never adjusted the mobile-game design so you still have auto-combos and two button gameplay.
>>741612073>UI makes a gachalmaooo get a load of this fag
>>741613607When OP said >gameplay is dragons nestI just assumed they meant the mmo. If it is mmo gacha combat then im sure its barely even a game then. Just a fancy VN.
since this is a dedicater korea-shill threadhow was Stardust?
>>741613743It's not mmo gacha combat either it's literally just your normal mobile-game two button combat.
>>741612876>consolenigger>phone postingKekypow
>>741613831>it's literally just your normal mobile-game two button combat.Thats gacha combat. Ill look up gameplay though
>>741613967"mmo"-Gacha combat like Blue Protocol has a full skill bar and more interaction idk what you're talking about. This game is standard mobile game slop with literally two buttons for your thumb.
>gachaslopkys already
>>741606786Can I choose a FemMC?
>>741606786>gameplay is basically [...] genshinEw. Count me ou->first character you get is a sexy dark elf slut Still not gonna play it, but based
>>741614007MMOs have auto combat. Very rarely do they ever don't.
>HE is interestedABANDON THREAD
that's buzzword. it's a buzzword. it looks like buzzword, the UI makes it look like buzzword, the characters, the gameplay which I haven't looked at all look like buzzword. it's buzzword.it's gameplayslop being shilled by buzzwords trying to shill their shitty slop. the fact that I have to like, press buttons? clearly this is just shitty gameplayslop trying to get me to play the game. but - the fact that it's only two-button slop instead of five-button slop tells me everything I need to know. it's slop. stop shilling slop. shill something else, something i might actually like... like porno, and waifus.
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Dragon Nest is not a fucking MMO.It's an instance-based online action RPG.You only see randos in the hubs.
>>741614049nope, twink sissy boi only
>>741613435>>741612073nigger, where do you think the word gacha come from?
>>741607262Ponytail blonde girl does tap into my fetish…
>>741614254How the fuck is it not an mmo? If you go by that logic mmo's don't exist because every server (or shard) is instanced to a maximum amount of players at all times, surface maps and cities. And literally all of them have instanced combat content.If "seeing players while roaming around outside of dungeons" makes it an mmo, congrats Diablo 4 is an mmo now.
>>741606786You can slap Genshin on top of its trailer and people would believe it, lol.
Oh, there's a demo. But not sure if I wanna commit. Looks like Genshit.
>>741614373It's not massively multiplayer, you just have a lobby and a partyIt's just an online single player game with co-op
>>741606786It's literally just genshin impact I also fell through the world twice during the demo Beetle mount is cool
>failed gacha garbage turned into a paid productWow. I am so excited right now. If it failed to grip the attention of mobile retards who usually eat up anything, then it must be absolute trash.
0 gameplay webm
>>741614542fuck, you're right
>>741614559The gameplay is literally every fucking genshin gacha clone. Youtube it if you care that much faggot.
>>741614373>If "seeing players while roaming around outside of dungeons" makes it an mmo, congrats Diablo 4 is an mmo now.What makes your definition any better? If seeing randos in hubs = MMO then Diablo 4 would still be an MMO. Fucking fighting games with the public chibi avatar lobbies would be an MMO.
>>741614472It's an mmo because you have the defining features of what people connect with the mmo genre like large raids, mmo combat and mmo itemization. Towns have hundreds of players interacting and existing at the same time too.By your definition mmo's don't exist because every mmo limits players per instance (including players per shard / per region / per server) and offer solo-gaming.
>>741613529It's in. (mod)
now let's see japan's genshin impact
>>741614643I define mmos by player expectations at the genre and gameplay / social aspects. In the end you are technically limited to a map with a bunch of matched players - the size of the map doesn't matter. By your definition Battlefield is an mmo. D4 is an mmo. ArmA 3 is an mmo as much as WoW and XIV is an mmo.
>>741614751
>>741614679No, the defining feature of a MMO is MASSIVELY multiplayer. A 5-man co-op RPG isn't MMO, a 50-man FPS server isn't MMO, a 500 player open world zone is MMO. If you can't meet other players randomly in the wild it's not MMO
>>741614679>large raidsFour-eight max players raids are MMO tier how?>mmo combatHonest question. Did you ever play DN and another actual MMO like Lineage/RF/whatever?>solo gamingNever have I played an MMO that allowed me to play strictly solo. When I farm mobs I have to share the field with other players who can take aggro or PK.
>>741614787>I define mmos by whatever arbitrary standards I feel like
>>741614804>>741614865The ground zero of all chink "anime" """games"""
>it's a GACHA>it's a MMO>i don't KNOW what it is!>but I KNOW I won't like it!
It's aimed to gachanigger shitskins, that for sure
>>741614838>of a MMO is MASSIVELY multiplayerSo ArmA 3 is an mmo and large battlefield servers are an mmo and I guess Diablo 4 is an mmo.>A 5-man co-op RPG isn't MMOSo 32-40 player content in dragon nest isn't an mmo? Raids and dungeons with less than what amount of players aren't an mmo?>a 50-man FPS server isn't MMOWhy not it meets the definition of an mmo. I can host 100 man ArmA servers too. That's more players on a single screen than you will ever see in XIV outside of hubs.>a 500 player open world zone is MMOSo WoW isn't an mmo. And Guildwars isn't an mmo. And Tera isn't an mmo. What is an mmo again? All these games instance you on a map with swap/in matching with maybe a hundred players at a time. And most of the time spent is either solo or in 4/8 man parties even if technically a 100 players are connected to your shard.>If you can't meet other players randomly in the wild it's not MMOSo D4 is an mmo, DayZ is an mmo, ArmA is an mmo, battlefield is an mmo etc.
>>741614963>I have no standard for mmos I just dislike instanced content.
>>741614919>Honest question. Did you ever play DN and another actual MMO like Lineage/RF/whatever?Did you? Can you tell me the max amount of players for Saint Haven Defense?
I thought it was gonna be a gacha but i'm glad it isn't
All they had to do is take DN and slap some fancy graphics on it and add more classes.Won't be a hit, but still better than this.
>>741615245That's clearly what they wanted to do but ultimately they have to chase the money and their publisher probably demanded one of those anime genshin popular things the kids like nowadays.The game itself has so many references, both in design and the assets and characters to Dragon Nest. Some of the skills are straight up just re-imagined abilities from DN. The enemies have the same idle animations, movements and even graphically resemble their DN counterparts. I'm really certain they'd like to make DN2 if they had the financial backing.
>>741606786ok i heard sexy dark elf so now im interested
>>741606835The combat isn't clunky enough, put in motion inputs
Isnt this the gacha that lost its fundings so they refurbished the planned first season into a offline game?
>>741614992And Sekiro/Elden Ring is the ground zero for all the chink action games. I fucking hate From Software but I hate chinks even more for being soulless golems only capable of copy paste.
>>741615916bro you hyped for Lords of the Fallen?
>>741616057I'm more hyped for Insomniac's Wolverine than for Lords of Slop
online niggery...
>>741606786It looks like a gacha in everything except pure technicality. All of the same gameplay failings just without the literal dailies and gacha banners.
>>741616895That's what it is. Publisher pulled out and they turned the liveservice into a singleplayer game.
>>741606786>not a gachaIt absolutely looks like a gacha in everything except that you pay money for it upfront instead of being F2P freemium slopAnd before you say "well gacha is just a monetization model" - bullshit.Gacha are designed from the ground up to have this sort of dogshit gameplay based around the monetization model and when you're making a gacha then you know your target audience is gonna be barely-sentient Indonesians who only care about gooning to anime girls on their chinkphone screen so you're gonna be making the gameplay as braindead and as possible in order to not get in the way of gooning to anime girls.
Sell me on it OP
Next time you make the thread OP just say "failed gacha got turned into a single player game" that will save everyone from assuming what you meant from the terrible op you have here. Anyway thanks for letting me know, Imma keep my eye on it and try the demo
>>741615916Wukong was really lucky being the first, no one is excited for 107th chink soulslop nowadays.
>>741616163Good job instantly making your opinion worthless
It just looks way too much like Mondstadt. the Chinese have this absolute obsession with dethroning Genshin. It looks like Mondstadt with Granblue Relink’s combat. It’s even got the Bokoboins and the explosive barrels.
>741617647it's korean, dipshit
>>741617245>Gacha are designed from the ground up to have this sort of dogshit gameplay based around the monetization modelwhich is why Girls Frontline 2 play exactly like GenshitHey everybody look at this dumbfuck thinking OW and CS2 play the exact same as ZZZ.>s-skinsyou're still grinding or paying for random shit>l-lootboxeslootboxes are gacha(america)Yohomo's brainless flash over substance combat + character swapping as a mechanic in general owe itself to musous like Sengoku Basara with a hint of Platinum-isms. Genshit's open world comes from Ubishit and BOTW which is Ubishit(Japan).It's not the fault of the fucking gacha/lootbox that results in the mediocre as fuck Genshit formula for the same reason it is not the fault of Ubisoft being fucking French resulting in its atrocious open world getting copy pasted by everybody else.Both are(were for Ubi(successful) therefore soulless bugmen and pigmen from east and west copy it.You are a fucking idiot.
Won’t this still have all the gathering, levelling and 1.0 narrative issues of a gacha?
>oh no i have to play the game
>>741617897It's a Genshin clone through and through and you're either delusional or a lying shill.
>>741618369>Genshin clone through and through and you're either delusional or a lying shill.Nobody is denying it you stupid fuck.Read again. You are a fucking moron that is conflating causation with another symptom.
>>741618443>Nobody is denying itWell you are indirectly. You're pulling this mental gymnastics shit and pretending you don't know what the problem is when everyone knows that the criticism is that since it was designed to be a gacha and is blatantly copying Genshin the game will be as shallow and vapid as Genshin. Go fuck yourself you dishonest prick.
you girls are so cute, but i wish you'd stop kissing in public
I don’t understand how you do a story for a once gacha game turned single player. Everyone knows that the early story of gacha games are just set dressing, there is no major payoff. It’s commendable, but I think they should have released this as a gacha game. It already outdoes stuff like Tower of Fantasy and Crystal of Atlan, so we’ll see.
>>741606786>Not gacha>Gachaterfags still hate itI knew you gacha hating niggers never play games and just shitpost in /v/. You literally have no excuse anymore
>>741607981Starting roster is 19 characters and they talked about releasing new characters as DLC, not gacha. So it might turn out to be hoyo-type combat where you buy the characters instead of pulling on gacha
>>741618560If the gameplay sucks then what's the point
>>741618493>everyone knows that the criticism is that since it was designed to be a gachaWhich has fucking nothing to do with how it plays. They could have made it play like fucking DFO(sidescrolling beat em up), Vindictus(beat em up), Girls Frontline 2(turnbased strategy), Honkai Star Rail("jrpg") all of which uses gacha as its main source of cash flow right now. They could have made it play like Dragon Nest, howeber the fuck that played with a gacha, because as stated, gacha means fucking nothing other than how shit is sold to you. They are making genshit because that is what fucking sells see also Wuthering Waves You are a fucking moron that continues to conflate gacha and Genshitlikes.>blatantly copying Genshin the game will be as shallow and vapid as Genshin. Fucking nobody is denying that. Go fuck yourself in the head which is so vacuous it may as well be your fucking asshole.
>741618646Still a dishonest prick deflecting and not actually addressing the issue. No more (you)s for you.
>741618685>deflecting and not actually addressing the issueWhat fucking issue? Do you think Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was made from a cancelled mobile game because the main way of acquiring blades is through an in-game gacha system?Dragonsword plays how it plays not because of the fucking gacha(which is stripped out in the offline version so why the fuck are people still bringing it up) but because Genshit was popular and the gooks wanted a piece of the pie. Fucking nobody denies it.Genshit's gameplay formula(open world of nothing, character swap combat) stems from several games and not gacha. And if you think it does, you have not played a fucking video game pre 2010.You are beyond brain dead that implies it was ever alive let alone existed to begin with.
get a room you two
>>741618553It's not like gacha games ever have a proper conclusion, or videogames in general have that much story to being with.Most of the time you just run around and murder things for [Silver Coin]x15 and [Liver]x2 and story mostly servers as a reason to visit the next zone, it rarely stands well on its own. With that in mind, more running and murdering and less story sounds better than the alternative.
>>741612157How many times do you streetshitter gachaslop eaters have to be told that gachaslop is a genre, and that a game being gacha warps the entire game's design around it, to facilitate and encourage whaling, fomo
>>741606786>Gameplay is basically dragon nest:)))))))))))>X genshin:(((((((((((((((((
>>741611853Are we talking an actual flat ass or just a small one? That makes the difference
I’ll never get why every game/studio is so hung up with Genshin. Don’t people see what a marketing travesty that is? It stone walls discussion because people go “it’s Genshin”.
>>741619315The only gacha I've seen properly finish was kingdom hearts union χ
>>741620357Because it makes a lot of money.
>>741620357It should be obvious why they're so obsessed over a game that has earned billions and turned a once insignificant gacha developer into a household name
Wait wtf, this game will not be f2p? Literally DOA.
>>741620625They have to start doing something else. Games have only just started moving away from it with NTE and Silver Palace on the mainstream side of things. Wuthering was chasing Genshin for a whole year+ while trying to cement itself. Just let Genshin go.
I will buy it if its cheap. I am not paying $80 for any game.
>>741620749>wtf, this game with no microtransactions is f2pYeah how dare these devs not just give away the game for free and make literally zero profit. Dumb nigger.
>>741620861$80 is cheap. 1 burger is $20. 1 movie is $25.THANK YOU FOR LETTING EVERYONE KNOW YOUR SPENDING HABITS
>coming to console...eventuallyNeat
>>741621190Devs need to get on this shit. Release on everything straight away. Neverness to Everness? Pulls in 20 million extra and now has a 75% Console/PC playerbase.Get your MMO/RPG/Gacha on PS5, Xbox and PC right away.
I'm downloading the demo now, I'm downloading, downloading.I'm getting packets, packets coming in. ETA is 30 minutes ass internet, asbolute trash bro. Dude your internet is so fucking bad bro
>>741621175>1 burger $20in what hellhole do you live?
>>741620625>once insignificantMihoyo paved the way for proper 3d swap mechanic in mobiles and once became the benchmark for high end mobile gaming. Genshin is their 2nd big hit
>>741621305I totally agree.
>>741621148They'll literally compete with free games you retard. No one, absolutely no one gives a shit about microtransactions if you can play the game without spending anything. That's why Genshin got so popular.I predict it to have at most 10k players on release, mostly Asians.
I take the Genshin remarks back, it's nothing like it. More like a cross between Tales of Arise and Granblue Relink.Sort of a shame this wasn't a gacha after all, because it has actual character movesets that aren't just Light Attack, Special, Ultimate.
>>741622680its funny because relink is already tales of arise + monster hunter
>>741622709Relink is nothing like Arise. Arise doesn't even have aerial combat whereas it's an important aspect for many characters in Relink.
Was that a Goblin Hunter rape reference at the start with the Elf girl
>>741617897Slop Frontline plays exactly like every other turn based gacha slop - you press the auto button and watchAnd all action gacha slop plays the same - swap character, cutscene attack, swap character, cutscene attack, etc.
Combat is decent but a bit floaty. They have to get the pricing right if they want this to survive.
>>741606786>not a gachaGook online games are the same thing.
>>741622871>skills on CDs>character switching>fill break gauge to executeDunno man, feels pretty similar to me
>>741607262>Goblin's Bandit Cave>All female adventuring party Oh, no no no....
>>741606786>not a gacha
Alright the game won me over a little. Johnny, the combat, that 2012 anime feel. I wish the combat had a little bit of Stellar Blade's lock on and sidestep in it, but anyway.
>>741606786>Its a shitty genshin clone>with less characters>and less story>and less area's to explore>that you will have to pay for
>>741607262>check game>literally like dragon nest but with botw graphicsWill it have lolis upon release tho?
>>741623405>Mooooooh! Hmph! Betsu knee.
>>741623512don't be mean shifu
>>741606786Sorry but after wasting almost six years on Genshin, I don't want to play anything even remotely similar to it for the rest of my life.
I'm just going to say this is a gacha game and keep bringing it up in other gacha game threads to annoy everyoneand they'll be like>IT'S NOT A GACHAand i'll say>ye it ee
>>741623326>skill cooldownsTales of games don't have main ability cooldowns. You're referring to character-specific combat gimmicks.>character switchingI have literally never switched characters in Relink and I have over 500 hours in it. I wasn't even aware that was a thing you could do.>break gaugeTons of games have a break gauge.They're really not similar at all aside from being anime aesthetic action combat RPGs but so are Kingdom Hearts and Dark Souls but they're nothing alike.
Lute boy or girlscript says "he" but I keep squiinting my eyeseven if (You) say "boy", still squint at your post
Building up the reaction images for /dsag/
>>741624046Holy hell slutty blonde dark elf
>>741624046Cute!
Nah this game good senpai they got you on the bugNTE and GTAVI are over, you can't ride a bug there
He'll live
>>741623438https://youtu.be/ZT6o-5AuWP4?t=709In their roadmap they did talk about upating the combat.
He can climb too why hasn't any other game thought of this aside from Monster Hunter Stories this is next level
>>741623713You may as well use $70 slop to refer to ubislop by that point.Genshit already exists to denote 90% of trash from china and korea, while gacha is a fucking worthless descriptor to anyone except people that played nothing but genshit and think they are interchangeable.Congrats for being either a complete fucking moron, or smart enough to not be aware of the sea of trash the mobile gaming scene is.
>>741623364>all femaleThere is one guy in there but he looks so gay he would still get raped and impregnated by the gobbos
>>741624145>>741624224>>741624371WHAT CAN'T HE DO
>>741624426I think the gacha games are some of the best ongoing games currently, especially if you enjoy weeb stories.Wuthering Waves has legitimately mad me onions face on 4 separate occasions.Honkai Star Rail has one of the best RPG dialogue choice side quests I've ever seen.Some stuff in Nikke makes me feel like I'm in 2004.It's good stuff.
>>741606786post upskirts
>>741624554>I think the gacha games are some of the best ongoing games currently, especially if you enjoy weeb stories.Yup. Nikke's story is excellent.
>>741624046Maybe I should actually play her game
>>741624145>>741624224>>741624371SoldBoog
Ah man I'm actually enjoying this a lot. Playing the combat a bit more and character weave in and out of combos really well. I thought this was just going to be some throwaway game like Tower of Fantasy or Seven Deadly Sins.
>not a gacha>actually it's a gacha repurposedLet me spoil you: unless you've got competent developers behind it, it's going to be shit.
>>741624360>fixing my two major gripes with the floaty jump and shitty sprintBased maybe this has potential after all
>>741624850speaking of, how's DNA doing?
>>741613218You pay with your time, dumb nigger.
>>741624360That stream reminds me a lot of the very early Mihoyo streams.
I wonder if it's still an online game anyway in that your progress and inventory is all sitting on a server.I should test that by deleting the local files. Maybe it won't apply in the demo though.
>>741623540there is one yes
>>741623326
>>741608727>faggot that spent his life jerking off to drawings portraying idealized depictions of men that don't smell like shit (if you're not a woman all male smell will feel revolting to you naturally because of how your hormones work), don't have body hair and don't have deep voices, gets a reality check
>>741624610>Nikke's story is excellent.It's doing its best lately to dissuade people from holding onto that sentiment.
>>741614049Why are you such a faggot
>>741624850These devs have been around for a while, I would think they know how to make games.
>>741606786>gameplay is basically dragons nest x genshinSo it's EQ shit?
Any girls with large breasts that use greatswords yet?
>>741606786show me the lolis
Will the full game have the usual Korean, Chinese, Jap and English dubs? I guess not, that’s expensive.
>>741626235>>741626701The duality of the medieval anime fantasy man.
>>741606786>the only good thing nexon ever did2nd good thing they did. But Dragon Nest was pretty good for what it was. I didn't really like the chibi-ish models since I prefer action games with bigger models, but the assassin class did satisfy my monk needs. I do hope it'll be more than press button on cooldown, dodge into cutscene attack, switch into another cutscene attack like other gacha games.
I’m actually playing through Genshin and Echoes of Aincrad alongside this demo, Dragonsword ironically puts both of those games into perspective, for better or worse.
So the base is $30. Then they are adding new story and character in the future? Live service single player game?
Ill buy it if they >Allow co-op in the normal campaign/gameplay loop>Put out a roadmap that indicates they plan to add more characters free over time
How this running on my 2019 gaming laptop I don’t know.
>>741624934I dropped it a month in since there wasn't much to do besides endless, pointless grinding, but apparently it has gone through 4 hacking incidents the last time I checked.
>>741627620https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/4570720?emclan=103582791475588203&emgid=678501715215911876They already have a roadmap up with them saying more characters are being added not as DLC, but as part of the game.I think the nature of gacha development requires them to have almost a year of content ready to go when it launches so they probably have a year of updates.
>>741627594>>741627620I think they’re looking to Granblue Relink.
>>741627669Why does the world look like genshin?
>>741626950assassin was the punchy monk? i bet you couldnt juggle enemies and bosses like in dfo. now when are they making a 3d game for that! not in the pat but present time
>>741615916Honkai/Genshin/PGR/ZZZ/Wuwa all play nothing like Sekiro/Elden Ring
the characters look extremely bland, i can only see this game doing okay if they don't pull any shady bullshit because this isn't a game people want to spend much money on
>>741627793>year of updatesSo we’re essentially going to be playing this as a gacha, because I’m going to guess all the endgame stuff is exactly the same.
>>741627881He was more ninja, but he had some punch and kick moves. The actual brawler was an animal girl with a huge fist.
>>741627989Is that a Tales of Phantasia reference
>>741614323>>741613568>what the slot for ?i accept your concession, zhang
>>741627989I can kind of understand why their publisher seemingly backed out. I hope this works out for them, but I can understand why it wouldn't succeed as a gacha game.
>>741628029cute. i wish i started sooner back in the mmo days but there was a reason why i played 2d games
>>741628010the Q&A also didnt make it clear how future story updates are handled, it sounded like they want to put them up as paid dlc
>>741618646>retard seething people lik# this who have never experienced a day of decent gameplay will never in their life understand how gacha and mmos killed gaming
>>741624145>>741624224>>741624371God damn what a cool bug.>>741624850DNA's problem was the devs didn't let the game cook long enough after they decided to pivot away from a gacha model. The game itself was mostly fine but pretty much every problem it did have(like horrendous character imbalances) stemmed from the game's development being 90% focused on gacha and they weren't able to turn things around quickly enough.
>>741624554Release a vn then, im not playing an iRO skinnerbox to see your cutscenes not even if they pay 100 chink slaves to make the prettiest megucas possible, if the story and writing is so shit and dripfeed in service of the gacha model and we know it will be then im also not interested.
>>741611675This. Every mobile-to-anything port is compromised with bad gameplay
>>741611675You would think that. You should see some of the high end boss fights these games make you do. I don’t know how people play Wuthering Waves’ endgame on a phone, it plays like Metal Gear Rising with three characters.
>>741628450The problem is the story in these games are good, and I know you haven’t played them deep enough because of your opinions on them. The reason they’re good is because gacha games are filling the JRPG void that Japan went off the rails with Isekai anime and western studios make Marvel movies for 10 years. Gacha games are the only titles these days actively pulling from the otaku and Japanese gaming culture. What other modern game releases are saying,>We pulled from Devil May Cry and Bayonetta and story from Evangelion and Gundam Seed
>>741606786I miss Vindictus.
>>741628825Its phones that are holding those games back while they want to move to a more pc/console direction.
>>741629073Theyre not good though
>>741629234I wonder what the case was with this Dragonsword game. Was it originally on mobile too? Or was it always a PC release primarily
>>741629461>>741608576>>741612480People saying the publisher backed out don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
>>741606786doesn't play anything like dragon nest are you people fucking stupid
i fell for your shill>the combat is 1 button and 2 cd specials>no lock on>character designs are basic as fuck>not a gacha, but everything else is copy pasted from gacha designs, equipment, skill upgrade,...positive:it looks good i guess but that's every game nowadayswho is this for ? just play a real action rpg instead of whatever this is
>>741629461https://automaton-media.com/en/news/korean-publisher-webzen-sues-open-world-rpg-developer-after-it-one-sidedly-terminates-publishing-deal-and-announces-independent-steam-re-release-over-unpaid-guarantee/https://www.gamemeca.com/view.php?gid=1772125Theres this that explains what happened between the dev and pulisher.
>>741629979>no lock onI love it when shitters get filtered by this.
>>741630286you think anyone has difficulty playing this babby shit ?the game plays itself you don't NEED to see the actionbut it'd be slightly better if you could
>>741627818This is just Genshin's UI
>>741628284Homura did nothing wrong.
the game is straight up dogshit. it's genshin with worse everything, but offline and without gacha. genshin is also a dogshit game btw
Im fine with a game being like Genshin, but instead of paying/grinding for characters you just buy a new region every year.
gacha>f2p>spend zero dollars and play for 100s of hours worth of content >engage with the gacha only so far as being f2p allows, getting several characters>stop playing if you want, pick it back up like a year later to spend another 100 hours catching up through multiple patches and locationswhatever the fuck this is>pay 50 dollars right off the bat>severely reduced pool of characters, locations, story, events, etc due to no recurring paypigs>long term progression will require multiple dlc purchases >all other game systems are exactly the same as genshin/wuwa etcwhat's the point, just play an a gacha game and dont spend money or pay for granblue relink which is way better than this
>>741606786how fucking difficult is it to just remake dragon nest instead of shit like thishow the fuck has nobody made a better dragon nest yet
>>741632573what is dragon's nest. tell me
>>741632308ESLtard
>>741632670the best pvp mmo to exist
>>741633143i doubt that
I'm so sick of generic slop games that only get any popularity purely based on how much people jerk off to the characters.
>>741632308>>long term progression will require multiple dlc purchasesWhy are you lying?
>>741632308Holy shit I could understand some the posts but this really really tells it, gacha fags ACTUALLY feel threatened by this concept of a game.
>>741617245And? There are games designed to look like PS1 games that don't run on a PS1. This is a gacha-like.
>not a gachaokay so they're marketing the game as something different before full launch?Cool.
>>741636287If there's no pay walls, no holding your data hostage on their online servers, then it's inherently less predatory
>>741606786>>gameplay is basically dragons nest x genshin
>>741632308dailies and repetitive grind arenas where monsters have progressively more HP aren't content, lil bro
>>741633143the pvp was pretty good, looking back>GvG >1v1>relay(?) fights>some team objective control maps
>>741606835I played the demo for a bit and accidentally run into higher level enemies a few times and it never felt badly HP spongy as long as you are pulling of those combination attacks.
>>741606786>>741607262There is a fun bit in the demo where a guard mistakes her for a dark elf and she flips out and another girl in party says that she really just likes to tan lol
>>741637286it was funny playing mega man x dive offline and you press a button "redo stage x10" because apparently the gacha just had you redoing the same level over and over
>>741635887Not me, my reaction was>holy shit two cakesI might get the game at some point, there seem to be a few cool characters, like the nun who dual wields morning stars and in the first trailer there was also a girl with a huge siege crossbow. Only fear I have is that it is still "too gacha without gacha", like I hope it feels like a decent singleplayer game even further in, rather than turning into you doing gacha chore content anyway.
>>741637286and why exactly do you think this game with all the same systems because it used to be designed to support a gacha system will be any different than those?
>>741635701Do you GENUINELY believe they will make all the money they need to support this game with cosmetics? This will just be Relink but worse, if it doesn't crash and burn prior. At BEST this game will be a paid 50 dollar experience where you play 1/10th of a gacha game and then it abruptly ends with no meaningful story, combat, end game, or anything.
>>741638080presumably because they reworked and finished the game. that whole road map thing looks like a red flag though. using early access to release in-app purchases is truly a new concept
>>741638204Woah so just like Xenosaga, or even Shadow of the Colossus? Or any number of single player games that clearly werent truly wholly released?
>not a gachaIt doesn't hurt to try i guess.
>>741638513you are genuinely lobotomized if you unironically believe that those games werent overall materially complete before release, whereas this game will quite literally only have 1/10th of the content from their internal dev map that was intended to be developed using recurring revenue over the next like 10 years (IT WAS A GACHA GAME) in terms of percentage of completion this is akin to paying to get rugged on an early access game in alpha
>>741639619>it worked
>>741638418The fact that there is even a roadmap at all directly confirms if not strongly implies that the game is not going to be complete on release. Why would it be? Do you think they'll have been able to effectively re-imagine and finalize their entire development roadmap in half a year since the publisher drama started?
>>741639789probably not. they would have to create an ending to the game which doesn't exist in gacha.
>>741606786>not a gachahow tf will that work with new characters then? you just get them?also is there an energy system with dailies?
>>741640538you get all the ones that were finalized as you meet them in the story, future characters will also come as part of the story in updates, but how that will actually look in the long-term is yet to be seen
>>741639789>directly confirms if not strongly implies that the game is not going to be complete on releaseYou don't really have to guess.>Q. Does the story conclude in the base game, or is a purchase needed later?>In the base game (Part 1), the mercenary crew's coming-of-age story reaches a conclusion. The untold story of Lute and the kingdom will be provided through future updates, though the format is still undecided.
>>741639752game?
>>741606786Okay, nice ad, you got me to install the demo. I was going to skip it. If your game doesn't hold up then I'm going to kill you.
