>>741610540
Yes and it's not even close, almost everything in FO1 rotates around him and over 100 years later his work/results of it is still shaping the land.

>>741610540
>Killing Master conventionally
Is it even possible without bullshit amount of grinding? I had completed all the quests in FO1 and I had only reached level 9.

>>741610996
Yes, but it's really hard and you need a psi dampener otherwise it's impossible.

Yes, in part because of how genuinely fucking stupid he is.

>entire master plan is to create new race of super men who will repopulate the world
>doesnt consider whether or not his creation can breed

todds fallout writing is unironically better than this

>>741610996
I didn't grind or min max and I fucking destroyed him the first time I played the game.
Once I reached mid game it looked clear plasma weapons were the top dog after I got deleted by them, I pivoted to maxed plasma weapons and that + drugs + improved power armor and he can't do shit
Once you kill his side turret robots all he does is fire his pea shooter minigun which often does jack vs power armor and spawn mutants which are the real threat.


I basically
>killed side turrets
>focused on the growing mutants at the door
>once I controlled that and got them down to one (I'm still not sure if they actually respawn or it's the mutants at the left area I didn't kill) I did 3ish shots at the master then went back to mutant clean up duty
The corridor is too small for mutants to properly swarm you so if you just kill them as they come in it's just a rotating door of npcs you can 2/3 shot, sometimes 1 shot with a good hit, plus due to their location they will often hit themselves or the master.

>>741611205
Nigga it's not like the master can't walk out to go and check himself, that was Lous and everyone else at mariposas job.
Problem is that there was too many retarded mutants and the smart ones like Lou never actually disclosed that crucial information to him because he was their god, either out of fear or because they couldn't fathom anything the master does being fallible in any shape or form.
Lou DOES know there's a "problem with the reproductive system" or some shit like that and he outright says that in the dialogue and while he does seem worried he's also very clearly trying to downplay the problem, most likely because of what I said above.

>>741610540
He is genuinely one of the best villains in all of gaming. You have no idea what is running all of this crazy shit in the world or where those super mutants come from. Then you get to the end to be greeted by this crazy schizo alien monster thing. Its genuinely one of the most memorable villains in all of gaming to me and a highlight of this game.

>>741610996
yeah you have those 2 pillars you can hide behind

>>741611070
tbf what fallout villain isn't stupid as shit?

>>741610540
Yes, its between him and the Enclave but the Enclave are written more as anti villains who have a more logical justification for their villainy whereas the Master is purely a deluded monster hell bent on mutating the entire world in order to somehow create peace since he's assumed he is a new god of some kind.

>>741611205
He could have just created human farms as a temporary measure before
>>741611441
Lou finds a way for super mutants to be able to reproduce sexually.

I saw a video of Jim Cumming the other day where he remembered the lines of the Master it was kino

>>741611847
>anti villains
you mean the guys who's entire plan is to kill everyone who isn't from that oil tanker?

>>741611847
The enclave are such a boring dogshit faction, how the fuck do they make more sense than the master?
The super mutants are smarter (if done properly) and the master itself is way beyond anyone else in the history of the world, completely fucked up but insanely smart.
Humans fucked up and created the situation in the first place and after their fuck up things are not any better, humans are still fucking everything up so making smarter, stronger humans that are more deeply connected to each other makes more sense than the enclave which is literally just old jews that somehow pop up over a hundred years after the war just to have an enemy.
They had all the info and all the vault experiment data but no their retarded plan just has to wait until AFTER there's proper factions being made and when the vaults are almost empty.
And don't even get me started on the retardation that is Horrigan and the completely inconsequential "president"

>>741611205
Todd didn't create anything new or interesting like supermutents the brotherhood of steel, nukacola, vaults, or a human mutated inside of a supercomputer called the master

>>741610540
'raid 'o. Caesar is alright for similar reasons but the Master really is high point of Fallout villains

>>741611847
the master at least wants to make a predecessor to humanity that is fit to thrive in the harsh wasteland without tearing itself apart through war, greed and bigotry. that is a much more noble goal than the fucking enclave.

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>>741610540
Overall? Probably. He's kinda dumb, but he's not as cartoonishly evil or malicious as the Enclave, and unlike Caesar's Legion him and the Supermutant's are actually a legit long-term physical threat to the people attempting to rebuild human civilization.

Follow up question, what do ya'll think of the Brotherhood of Steel as villains?

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>>741610996
If you aggro him and then hide behind a pillar he'll be a sitting duck for your companions because of how aggression works in Fo1, so all you have to do is peek out of cover, shoot him, and then hide in the same turn. At that point your only issue is the super mutants that gradually spawn as backup, but you can usually kill them before they hit you since they have to waste a turn running down the hall.
Or you can go balls out with a gatling laser at point blank range but then you're as likely to get shredded as the master is.

>>741613154
The entire point of the BOS is guarding technology and preventing it from falling it in the wrong hands.
This means
>They don't really work as a villain unless it's NOT the BOS, the only moral compass they have is how much they actually care about the people surrounding said technology
>The introduction of the Enclave is literally just the BOS as a villain but more advanced
The only angle where I could see this working would be something like the more fanatic side of the BOS going rogue and creating a new faction of actual technological monks, taking all the BOS most advanced tech and research and going scorched earth using their best and remaining tech to go full jihad against technology and the old world in general instead of just hoarding it, all so there's no chance humanity repeats the same mistakes.

>>741613658
I could see the brotherhood being villains if you are a faction of people who want to advance society for the greater good and then they come in to destroy your shit because they feel like they should have the final say in who has what (as in nobody but them). Or if you are a gang of raiders who from your perspective are trying to survive and these armored dicks just fly in do squash you like a roach.

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>>741610996
Can't you just crit him out with turbo plasma rifle?
Take all the drugs to become invincible since it's the end of the game

THE GHOULS

>>741610540
>ur wrong n dumb
>oh, fuck. i am
>dies
the master is a stupid villain

>>741614041
Makes sense to me
plenty of anons on this very board living on hopium that it's gonna work out in the end if they just keep doing what they're doing

>>741611847
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>>741612776
the enclave are the good guys. however, a coup happened, turning it into colonel augustus autumn's little gay army

>>741614108
all the retard had to do was stop what he was doing and do something else. or actually spend the time to fix the goo

>>741613812
That is literally the plot of fallout 3 except it's the enclave instead of BOS.
The brotherhood entire point is helping humanity, one or two leaders being dicks about it is more of a regional problem rather than a whole evil faction thing.

NORMALS

>>741614121
>the enclave are the good guys because they were in the past
yeah and by that logic Richard Grey is the good guy of fallout 1.

>>741614238
he is, though

>>741610996
Is this a joke? Are modern gamers really this terrible?

>>741614041
That's the fallout 3 enclave president/computer which literally kills itself after one singular mid level speech check that amounts to 2 sentences, he goes from "all non enclave must die and I will not allow you to leave until you submit" to "hey you're right, just gonna shut down the computer, kill myself and blow up the entire base" in literally 3 seconds
For the master to actually admit he's wrong you have to
>convince the master to actually consider it through the highest speech check in the game (100%)
>get the info from the glow which was where the fucking virus was developed
>get more info and proof from the brotherhood of steel autopsies on the master own super humans
>have at least 7 intelligence in order to actually be able to debate with the master
>have the psi damper so he doesn't lower all your stats making this even harder
And then you have to pick the right dialogue to get there too, plus the master has to consider it and even tries contacting Lou which suggest he had a hunch but was probably downplayed by Lou and others which doesn't hit the master until all the evidence makes perfect sense.
You retards make it sound like it's the easiest shit in the world and not a specific thing that's known and popular because of how it happens.

>>741614121
The enclave was already retarded and evil in fallout 2.

>>741610996
I punched him to death with the powerfist

>>741614149
Breh look at him. you can't just tell a broken flesh abomination to pick itself up and get back to the daily grind

>>741614149
No. That's retarded. Suicide is the only way out.

>>741610540
Yes, You'd think that in a series that allows all sort of crazy mutants and robots and stuff, they would think beyond "Here's a bunch of normal guys who want to take over things. This time they're making robots that look like normal people!"

>>741610540
Him overlooking the fertility problem is a bit silly, but then, her was a crazed mutant. His ideology is literal globohomo.
Better villain than Enclave, however, which feels really out of place, with silly premise.

>>741614642
the problem is that introducing new shit is hard when the series is 30 years old and canonically spanned like 200 years so any threats caused by the old world would've shown themselves or preparing their plan
mutants don't work and already feel silly in fo3, ghouls never do shit and their pluses don't really make them much better or different so you either pull something out of your ass that people probably won't like or go back to humans.

fallout 2 might've been able to create something with the talking deathclaws but that was somehow too far and silly for the writers while the tribes talking to you through astral dreams or having literal scientology was perfectly fine.

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>>741614913
so maybe don't make it take place 200 years in the fucking future?
like they could have done what London eventually became and made a prequel that went with whatever they wanted since it wouldn't need to be connected to the other games. But this is slopthesda after all and it would literally kill them not to have the brotherhood rubbing their shiny metal asses over everything.

>>741610540
no, father is

>>741615167
A lot of the fallout icons are based on the western coast areas and their evolution over time so suddenly removing many of those would make the normies cry.
Also the f1>f2>new Vegas trilogy covers a lot of ground and actually shows a developing story.
We saw Bethesda fucking that up with fo3, imagine how bad it would be somewhere else with shit like the enclave in London or random super mutants in france

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>>741615292
>the enclave in London
"oi mate, you've got a loisence for dat genocide?"

>>741614913
Well I mean Van Buren was going to have a mad scientist go to a space station and nuke everything from orbit which might've been boring, but it's a logical progression of stakes to go to a revived pre-war nuclear space station. Caesar's Legion vs the NCR was interesting too. Not everything has to be tied to the old world. Just make good villains who pose a real logical threats. Fallout is ultimately about the clash of ideologies in the post-war world and it takes a little thought as to why the ideologies are opposing each other. It would actually be interesting if they could have a ghoul villain who's not just a one dimensional joke.

>>741610540
You made this thread on Father's Day so I'm gonna say the best/worst villain is the Lone Wanderer's dad who abandons us twice and then tells us to kill ourself to start up the water purifier.

>>741610540
Yes, easily. But honestly Fallout isn't really known for it's strong villains so the competition isn't that fierce. Other than him I'd say the other best Fallout villain is Caesar, if you consider him a villain.

>>741610540
no but had the best design and lore

>>741611205
>make toasters replacement with conscience
>the moment one of them become karl marx or some rogue che guevara they re fucked

>>741617925
>no
Who is the best Fallout villain then?

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>>741611205
it's a good portrayal of an irrational death cult

>>741619554
The player

>>741620768
This is powerful

I always liked how even if you have the evidence to talk him down, you have to pick the exact right options.
Don't give him hope and say "maybe you can try more experiments" or he'll regain his composure. You also can't gloat or he'll snap out of his depression and just want you dead