Why did it flop?
>>741615617the bike sections and the redditor
>>741615617
NOOOOOO SAMUS RUN AWAY FROM THE ANGRY INCEL WE WILL PROTECT YOU
The game was so long awaited that it should have been a return to form (a better Prime 1). It has nothing people necessarily asked for.
>>741615617It looked really underwhelming from the trailers then the reviews and feedback from players came out and it was just mid. When there's that long a time between games it should be a series best entry otherwise you're only going to be met with even more disappointment than a regular underwhelming entry.
>>741615617Whoa! Samus, did you just roll into a ball?!
>>741615925kek embarrassing
Biggest problem above all is that it didn't need to be made. The story revolving around the Metroid Prime creature, now Dark Samus, concluded in Corruption. There is no basis to make Beyond other than milking another sequel for redditlords who can't breathe without being told to do so.
>>741615617its an amalgamation of bad decisions. the desert, the bike, the team members, the quips, the bounty hunter villain, psychic powers, the green crystals. the best parts are the ones that strayed the least from the mp formula, and even those are worse than earlier games. the story is also aggresively dumb
>>741615617Metroid fans are a lot of things, but at least they don't buy a game if it's not up to snuff. Kind of the anti-pokefags of nintendo.
>>741615617The big two reasons are the bike and the annoying NPCs. They tried to appeal to ironic millennials, and even failed at that.
>over 1 million copies sold>flopsaar you should not buy bloody bastard Metroid you must goodly buy Saaros instead!
>>741615617It didn't.
>>741616236Is this a spoiler?
>>741616385no, it's in the first few minutes of the game
>>741616617I couldn't tell if it was going to be the very start or the very end.Either way, looks like aids. Want to use it as an example to convince my brother not to get it.
>>741615617It's from Nutendo.
>>741615925>escape the big black tendril
>>741616741Nintendeux
>>741615925Pretty standard dogshit prime boss with boring gunplay focusing on lock on/scansretro knows doom 2016 came out a decade ago right?
>>741616236>>741615925Post more slop
>>741615617Did the GoW Laufey writers and Metroid Prime 4 writers give each other pointers or something?
>>741616236I didn't play this shit, but did they try to recreate BOTW and the 4 heroes helping you with the final boss? lol
>>741615617>2 years of failed development followed by 6 years of development by what may as well have been a newbie studio, even if it was called Retro. 3-4 years is the maximum that a game developed on an optimal trajectory should take, 8 years is development hell.>Did not throw out what did not work and kept it instead, adding technical and gameplay debt>Vehicles should almost always be avoided in any game, they are rarely good>Foreskin helmets are always bad>Should not have included the focus-test marines, these may unironically have been ripped right out of a CoD game>Kept the Prime name, even though Metroid Prime was wrapped up with Prim3>No one cares about Sylux other than people who like mystery box, get excited for next thing shit>Didn't re-examine how a first-person adventure platformer Metroid game should work, given the advances since Prime 1, instead it's just Halo with a Prime skin. I'm not saying it should copy from modern FPS games, since we have spent the last 20 years making FPS games wrong, but it should have at least figured out a new idea instead of trying to trace what a 2000s game did.It feels like it was designed by a clueless committee of consultants, but that committee could conceivably have consisted entirely of Tanabe.Metroid since the early 2000s has consistently failed to outshine or even stand on even ground with fan games.
>>741616224The morphball doesn't even blow up when health reaches zero. There's also barely any grabbing or vore content with it. Not enough fapping material, no buy.
>Announce game>Restart development two years later>Rehire the "original" studio and make a selling point of it even though everybody knows they don't actually exist anymore and it's a marketing ploy>Underwhelming marketing with some concerning elements highlighted>Poor word of mouth due to the game having nothing worth noting>Preceeded by an otherwise solid remaster of the original title in the subseries, ironically making it even more noticeable how god awful the sequel in question is>SIX (8) YEAR DEVELOPMENT TIME FOR THE LAZIEST, EMPTIEST, MOST GENERIC GAME IN THE FRANCHISELegitimately one of the worst games I've ever played and the development should go down in history as one of the worst by a AAA studio.Friendly reminder that Metroid Prime was developed from scratch in under two years, and the trilogy released in a five year timeframe. This dogshit alone took SIX, not counting the two sponsored by Bandai-Namco.Nintendo needs to be gutted. All of the executives should commit seppuku they're so fucking embarrassing. Maybe bring in some real leadership who can fix every major IP, including Zelda and Pokémon, cause FUCK are the aftereffects of Iwata's faggotry seemingly unending.
>>741615617Wokeness once again destroying another franchise.
>>741617171>>Vehicles should almost always be avoided in any game, they are rarely goodGonna have to disagree with this. Does it fit Prime's design? Not really, but not like it couldn't have worked. Prime example (heh) would be, somewhat ironically, Halo: Combat Evolved and the series in general, which not only has arguably the best vehicle handling in vidya history, but also a variety to go around, and every single one is unique and virtually flawless to control and utilize both for movement and combat capabilities, in singleplayer and multiplayer capacities.Meanwhile these amateur cocksuckers 25 years later couldn't even get one dumbass motorcycle to handle decently in a destitute wasteland against a grand total of what? Three different enemies? And that's being generous, since the sandwhale is barely an enemy.I hope the leads of Prime 4 never work again. Wouldn't trust these niggas to stock a grocery shelf let alone develop a fucking video game.
>>741615617No water level. Metroid needs a water level.
>>741616709He's joking/lying, that's quite literally the final boss fight. It's not really a spoiler though, it's not some secret.Make of that what you will.
Prime was always dogshitThe difference is that this one took nearly a decade to come out and it can't be carried by the atmosphere thanks to the Halo tier squadmates put in by literal Halo devs
>>741615617>Why did it flop?Was in development hell for over a decade and the people who made the great prior games no longer work at the studio or have lost their talent.A tale as old as time, it's really mindboggling that an small spanish studio is releasing much better metroid games than the studio that quite literally made the franchise become famous and acclaimed by the general public.
>>741618275The Halo devs thing is a meme. There were like two concept artists who previously worked at 343. That's it.Ironically, the concept artwork gallery is the best part of the game.
>>741615617Because you're a fag and didn't buy 20 copies and tell your friends to also buy 20 copies.
>>741618210Metroid gameplay needs to be faster and more frantic. They should move away from first person and make a third person game with Samus. The Prime series feels played out by this point. Imagine if they made a Vanquish type game but with Samus with powerups. Would be the dream Metroid game.
We could've had Samus traversing the desert using her Speedbooster and Shinespark abilities combined with the Screw AttackBut noooooooooooThey had to put in that stupid fucking motorcycle
people are tired of metroidvania slop
>>741615617Very unengaging world/map layout and the upgrades were really uncreative. Plot was also dumb.
The game might have been salvaged if the whole Federation Base was teleported to the desert, and navigating that biome full of federation soldiers and space pirates was the hub between. Would've been cool to see the deterioration of both major groups as they're both cutoff with limited supplies in a foreign world trying to survive against mutant, alien fauna.Instead, we got... nothing, and instead of that happening, pretty much nothing happens instead, and you spend the whole game effectively doing nothing, and once in awhile you talk to a squidward who for some reason designated samus as space jesus after their species succumbed to space crack, and it all ends with nothing happening, just a cliffhanger for a sequel that hopefully never fucking happens.
>>741615617the syntheticman and his bro go indepth about that
They need to drop the Prime series and move Samus into a new gameplay action style.
>>741618090Is the whole game about wrangling that big group of tards?
>>741618718I'd be cool with a Mass Effect-style RPG set in the Metroid universe. Could even be playable from first or third-person perspectives, akin to Fallout.
>best Metroid Prime game in like 2 decades>FlopNah. It won, chuds lost.
>>741618967>*only metroid Prime game in 2 decades
>>741616224That's why they're one of the few (still-relevant) sub-fanbases I still respect in the modern Nintendo fanbase. Almost everyone else caught the salesfag bug.
>>741618947Is it about them? Not really. It's more like they're just there. As (You) go to do thing, for one reason or another, they are also there, so they tag along just because.The plot and main motivation (beyond just surviving) is Samus acting as a savior for a race of inept squidbobs. Hence, why a lot of early comparisons were to The Legend of Zelda, because the story feels more in line with playing as a hero of destiny than as an elite bounty hunter.The only semi-interesting thing I would say the plot has to offer is that you don't actually save anybody. The Squidwards are long dead and there is not even a single/lone survivor, only their memory which they resigned themselves to implanting in Samus so that their culture will presume to persist, and so their failures won't be recreated. Also all of the federation soldiers die, presumably.
Samus belongs to the South Americans now, Dread 2 when
>>741615617Bad game
>>741619212Didn't read the spoiler.Thise guys sound annoying as fuck already, knew I was right to avoid this one.
>>741615617You can only go so far without trying and just expecting your fanatics to consoom the product.
It wasn't fun
>>741616217You played it?
>>741619072*ahem*
>>741619636Was it any good?
>>741615617I feel like if the dropped the 4 from the title, they’d have had a better receptionI know 4 was anticipated, but Prime is a trilogy to me, and aside from the Sylux stinger ending, it was pretty conclusive It doesn’t really seem like 4 is the start of a new saga either, so it comes across as a tacked on endeavor As for the actual gameplay, I mean it’s fun but it leans too heavily into the bland open world while somehow also managing to be empty and handholdy
>>741615617Ultimately, Nintendo didn't believe in it as it was going through development hell. If they did, they would have rolled out the red carpet for it like they are for Xenoblade Genesis, with staggered Switch 2 updates of each Xenoblades with bonus content for each one. They started doing something similar with Metroid Prime 1, and they were going to continue with Switch releases of MP2 and MP3, but they saw what an underwhelming game Metroid Prime 4 was turning into, so they made a business decision. They could further sink money into remasters and primetime marketing, or they could just release it, and then move on. As seen with the lack of MP2 and MP3 remasters, as well as the lack of any Directs (Kirby got 2), they clearly chose to unceremoniously dump it and hope for the best. The fact that it sold 1 million copies after how bad it was and how little they pushed it is kind of incredible. Nintendo hit a point of no return and was ultimately unable to unmake the bed they made with a clearly passed-his-prime Tabata and tranny writers like >>741615672. But they were atleast able to mitigate the impact of its failure by using as few resources to push it as possible, as well as release it between two Pokemon titles. This should have been a failure that should have closed Retro down like Concord did to Firewalk, or like how Marathon will eventually sink Bungie. Instead, it was just a normal failure and Retro will be back to the drawing board. This time without Tabata.
>>741616236How they implemented the bike showed just how out of touch Retro and Tabata were. The appealing thing about a woman on a bike is the woman on the bike. It's really sexy seeing a woman and all her curves accentuated on a bike like that. With Samus, there was nothing to accentuate because she's in her big stupid suit all the time. They should have made the bike Zero Suit Samus only. They should have also made sure the gameplay built around it didn't suck ass.
>>741619791>>741620080"Tanabe", anon. For the love of god: "Tanabe".
>>741617757Hence almost always. But in a game where the movement of your character is just as if not more important than the shootan, you can't really afford to split up the gameplay, there will always be a mode of movement that handles worse and needs to justify existing or there will be something cool that is off-limits 90% of the time because it ruins everything else.>>741618486Third person shooters are always kind of floaty no matter what, since you control the general vicinity of your character, not the character itself. Vanquish is certainly neat, but it's neat for a cover shooter, which means that it constantly halts the gameplay with slow-mo so that you can actually aim at things with a console controller.Third person games are overrated an are mostly an excuse for the animators to make guro and ryona scenes, even Mario 64 has drawn out suffocation.
>>741619706It was mediocre
>>741615617It gargled ballsacks.
>>741620334Hiroshima NagasakiGot it
>>741620370>Hence almost alwaysYou are using the word "hence" incorrectly.
>be excited for this game even though I only played Prime 1>"they scrapped the entire game, so surely this second go will be right">get excited as they finally show it off>"oh, that desert and the motorcycle feel like padding, but if it's only part of the game I'm not worried">Myles and federation fags start appearing>"Oh no!"
Was it REALLY a flop? Well, financially yes and it was critically just good but I don't think it's outright bad news. Nintendo would be retarded if they weren't expecting a financial flop.>start a game over from scratch>change developers>hire a ton of new staff>all for a franchise where the average game can't even crack 2 mil (this was before Dread)We know it sold between 1 and 2 milly which puts it in the ballpark of an average Metroid game. Chances are it probably outsold Prime 3 already and Prime 2 at worst. If they cared about not losing money they'd put out the shitty first draft or just cancel the game outright.None of this is to defend the quality of the game by the way, I just wanted to say that Nintendo probably doesn't care and that the series will still go on.
>>741618947The way it works is>You enter a new area.>You get saved or receive a distress signal from one of the Fed troopers.>You fight your way to the person and then you either escort them to some room or defend them for a bit.>You then explore the area freely with the rare question or update from them, it's like once or twice an area typically.>You return to where you met them and then go fight the first boss of the area.>You then leave and bring them back to the temporary HQ you find with the first guy. >They then sit there except for Japanese guy who is in four spots on the map that gives you the teleporter for the mech parts and then one expansion pack for the other three as he talks about his life with Samus for like a single minute.With the robot you return to Ice Belt and save him, he breaks a window you couldn't, and then he leaves for the base.The only ones that stick with you for an annoying amount of time are the initial guy (Who is only really bad during that initial meeting and when he contacts you about where to go if you're driving in Sol Valley for a while, he's fine in the base) and then Armstrong and the fangirl in Flare Pool where you escort them through the entire map. Fangirl is at her worst there but also fine at base.Robot, Armstrong, and fangirl follow you throughout all of the Great Mines and you can only explore it with them opening the way.
>>741621052Perchance
>>741621420Last report says it sold one million...by combining both switch 1 and switch 2 versions sales, that is BAD it didn't manage to sell one million in one single console.
>>741615617because it's the weakest Metroid Prime game and it's been in development hell so long that it couldn't be profitable even if it had been better.I think the MP1 remaster sold more lol
>>7416156172D Metroid is simply better
>>741621420>Was it REALLY a flop? Well, financially yesthat is generally how "flop" is defined, yes>We know it sold between 1 and 2 millyThe only data we have is Nintendo saying it sold 1 million. Zero reason to assume those sales have somehow potentially doubled.>Chances are it probably outsold Prime 3 alreadyunlikely>and Prime 2 at worstpossible.Irrelevant though because those games cost way, way less to make, so the already niche sales for a Metroid game could sustain that. That's not the case for MP4.>None of this is to defend the quality of the game by the way, I just wanted to say that Nintendo probably doesn't care and that the series will still go on.Hopefully! Genuinely that Nintendo doesn't do the retarded western thing of shuttering everything when something's not a hit is why they're so good and keep building an interesting library. I honestly suspect that Retro will be put on MP2&3 remasters for now though lolI suspect they'll reevaluate the formula. I hope they get away from the "Halo-ification" of Metroid Prime.
Sold 3 times as much as Saros.
>>741626503holy shit is that real? That's rough
>>741615617unrelated but did any of yall play / heard of zexion? it's like a spiritual successor to the original metroid on NES. i liked it but the end game bosses can smd
>>741626556Saros did 300k lol
>>741626484The worst possible case for Retro is they get banished to support studio work forever like NST after Project H.A.M.M.E.R. imploded. Some staff might be made redundant like what happened to NST but by and large they will likely avoid any sort of mass layoff. More likely to have people quit after they realize they're just going to be doing work for other divisions projects.
>>741626680If you're looking for more Metroid-esque games there's also Ufouria aka Herebeke. There's a translation patch for the one on the NES and it's gotten a Switch version called Hebereke: Enjoy Edition in addition to a sequel on the Switch called Ufouria 2.
>>741627278Yeah I wonder what will happen to them. The selfish part of me really wants those MP2&3 remasters though desu lol
/v/ is a faggot board
>>741615617Look sarge, she's doing flop ball!
>>741630680we may be faggots, but we're not homo
>>741615617because prime was never good. whens super metroid?
>>741631393>because prime was never goodthem's fightin words>whens super metroid?wdym? pls don't touch super metroid, it needs no remake, it's perfect as is
>>741631713they need to just start releasing yearly romhacks of super metroid instead of the 3d shit that mercurysteam makes
>>741631713The same set of leaks that said OoT Remake was happening also included a Super Metroid remake.
>>741632146the sun can't consume the earth soon enough
>>741615617It's just a bad game.>>741615648Having finally played it myself. Chud wasn't the worst character. The diversity squad were far worse. Especially the "quirky" chick.
>>741615617Can the REAL Metroid Prime 4 stand up please ?
>>741632628No, unfortunately the real Metroid Prime 4 flopped so hard it can't stand up and is shitting all over the floor.
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