Why is Kefka considered a great villain? He's kinda boring. Evil for the sake of being evil with no redeeming qualities. You can't even feel bad for him for being experimented on, unlike Sephiroth who wasn't even born.
>>741626348>Evil for the sake of being evil with no redeeming qualitiesIts great when we used to be able to just have villains and they didn't need to be sympathetic and covered in 50 layers of irony
he looks very gay so he must be evil
>>741626348I saw dozens of villains growing up with vidya whose goal was "destroy the world"kefka is the only one I remember that actually did it, that stuck with me
>>741626348He has charisma and a memorable laugh
>>741626515Touche
It's not about who you are, it's about what you do. Sephy got mogged by a lv. 5 Cloud and spent post-existence seething about it. Kefka destroyed the world.
>>741626348From the thumbnail I thought its the villain from DevilMayCry 3 Fuck this gay "clown is actually super evil" trope
How did the hottest girl in FF6 end the game single?
>>741626348because he's the dark horse that actually does what every villain wants to do, take over/destroy the world. and he gets it after being a borderline gag character for most of the story, subverting what most players in the 90s thought would happen which is like FFII, the Emperor would gain power and be the big bad. but instead the court jester betrays him and instead of taking over the world, he destroys it. a lot of what made Kefka memorable/interesting has been done ad nauseum since then so you have to take it with the context at the time where villains in these games generally weren't that interesting or complex and in the case of FF games usually showed up out of nowhere at the very end of the game with no real preamble. up to that point it was kind of uncommon to have the big bad of the game be a recurring character who develops so much which no doubt heavily impacted how they decided to approach Sephiroth and Jenova in VII.
The two things that made Kefka stand out was that when you first meet him you don't expect him to be the final antagonist as he's initially presented as a subordinate of Gestahl, and he actually suceeds in his goal of destroying the world and attaining godhood. The entire endgame is the party dealing with the aftermath of his success. That was an incredibly novel approach for a JRPG villain in the early 90's.An antagonist does not need to have a complex motive or backstory to compelling. Kefka is consequence of Gestahl's reckless human experimentation, and it works in the context of FFVI's plot.
He has a cool theme song.
>>741626743because relm is a child so it would be weird
He's intelligent, nihilistic, and with a WICKED sense of humor.Literraly me.
>>741626348I think how effective a villain is has a lot more to do with presentation than the depth of their motives or backstory. Kefka has a major presence throughout the story and is a frequent obstacle/opponent, and his appearances tend to be pretty memorable scenes. He's also unusual for an RPG villain in that he doesn't start off as some god-like entity that inexplicably fails to defeat the protagonists: instead he's growing in strength just as they do, and he scores both victories and losses when he clashes with them across the game.Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 is kind of similar. He's an irredeemable mad dog, and the reasons why he came to be what he is receive little focus, but the way he is used in the game makes him an extremely memorable character.
>>741627457She eventually got what Edgar. "Hey Realm, 18 yet?"
>>741626348>Evil for the sake of being evil with no redeeming qualities.Even that isn't correct, since he very clearly was an earlier version of Celes before they managed to make the magitek infusion not kill most of the people who received it. He is kinda similar to Sephiropth in that regard, just without the mommy issues.
>>741628721I always thought it was funny how people like to pit Kefka and Sephiroth against each other in fanboy wars, they have a lot in common
Is it worth subbing to 1 month of PS Plus to play Final Fantasy 16? Its one of the few FF games I haven't bothered playing yet.
>>741626348>Why is Kefka considered a great villain?He wins.
>>741626348Because he's just like me
>>741626348Kefka is the weakest part of the story. He's supposed to represent the threat of America to Japan, a Dr Strangelove type figure. Lacks gravitas, when all the characters and arcs have it.
>all these people saying that Kefka wonYou really missed the point of the game if you think Kefka won. The entire point is that Kefka fails to wipe out humanity and people still have hope and are able to persist and rebuild after his death. He gets close to winning, but doesn’t actually win. I swear the only reason he’s hyped so much is because he’s surprisingly edgy for an early 90’s JRPG villain and because he has a great final boss theme.
Don't worry when they inevitably try to remake IV we are going to get extensive flashback scenes of him being put through Magic Knight experiments or some shit
Mad jew who wants to destroy the world for no other reason than to just destroy things. Ultimately beaten by a group of Aryan Chads.It’s based
>>741629242Yes, Japan recovers after the destruction wrought by the Americans. That's the story: the hubris of the Japanese emperor undoes Japan (defeat in WW2), Japan is destroyed by superweapons of mad American scientists, the Japanese people amongst the ruins must overcome defeat and redeem the nation.
>>741626348>Evil for the sake of being evil with no redeeming qualities.thats every FF villain
>>741629484Correct. The game is such an on-the-nose WW2 allegory it’s not even funny. But that makes it even more bizarre that people think Kefka won, especially since the game explicitly spells out that he DIDN’T win.
>>741629242>Kefka fails to wipe out humanityHe was never trying to wipe out humanity, and says so himself.
>uh Kefka was ebil FOR THE SAKE OF IT!Confirmed for not giving a shit about the source material. I know his backstory isn't expanded upon in great detail, but he was experimented on to be a super soldier and it gave him permanent brain damage. He had one bad day. He is basically a more simple proto-Sephiroth. By this measure the "intelligent, nihilistic, wicked sense of humor" posters are showing more love to the character by at least being aware of something involving the character. The "evil for the sake of evil" posters are just reposting dumb insights from someone that probably didn't even play the game.
>mr happy still hasnt cleared
>>741626348O MY MARK HAMILL
When are they going to remake FF6? Not in a 3 part retard tier thing like FF7 Remake but a normal 1 part remake with like a lower scope or something. Not hyper real graphics.
>>741629818FF6 is a Japanese national epic about WW2 and its aftermath.
>>741629275What else in the story is more deserving of more exposition than the reason your antagonist is your antagonist?
Is there an agreed upon tier list for FF main villains? Would Kefka be at the top in terms of actual success?
>>741629992they will notff7 is the most popular one by FAR and it failed both as a game and most importantly for them sales wise ff6 would sell even less
>>741630007ALL Japanese media is either1. A retelling of a feudal story or myth2. A copycat of a western story or myth3. An allegory for WW2But to be fair, we probably can't say much different about modern western storytelling either.
>>741630125I mean something more low budget. Like the dragon quest remakes.
>>741626348evil clowns became popular after The Dark Knight
>>741629818>He is basically a more simple proto-SephirothI noticed that ever since FF6, Sakaguchi kept recycling the same plot elements over and over like that. Almost every single one of his games is about fighting an evil empire that gets usurped by an evil magical dude who wants to destroy the world as part of some kind of nuke allegory. FF8 was one of the few FFs during the FF golden age that didn’t follow this pattern and Lo and behold, it had the least amount of Sakaguchi involvement.
he has a cool laughhe demands his lackeys wipe his shoes in a deserthe poisons a town for funhe has a cool theme and an even cooler final battle themehe's just an all together dickhead who you've seen being a dickhead all through the game. The repetition is important in making him memorable.
>>741626597Its literally the opposite thoughAnyone can write a character to "do" something - usually these are dismissed as shitty Mary SuesOTOH many of the greatest characters are failures in some wayNot that I think Sephiroth is that great
Kefka is literally a Joker rip offIf Heath Ledger was still alive he should of sued Square Enix
>>741630117Sephiroth and Kefka are easily the two most iconic FF villains, though I think Sephiroth is a tiny bit overrated due to him simply appearing in the most popular FF game, and there are some really underrated villains like Ultimecia and Vayne who have a real presence and intimidation factor.
>>741626348Only women and cucks need a villain(ess) to have a deep dark backstory that makes us feel bad for them. He was experimented on and went insane/evil. That's all you need to know. What else do you need? To be all sad and shit with a 4 hour backstory before they die? That's bitch shit. All I want to know is that they are dead or suffering some terrible fate for their crimes.
>>741630152All culture is footnotes to Hiroshima.
>>741626348>best theme>winsits that simple
>>741630401what the fuck did you just say?
>>741630358Sephiroth wasn't the villain of FF7 any way. He was one of the tragic victims of the true villain. Hojo.
>>741630442Ultimecia probably did just as much damage as Kefka in her actual time period and she kinda doesn't really get stopped. Like yeah you defeat her at the end but that doesn't stop her doing what she actually does in the future. You only stop her fucking up the present.
>>741630493He doesn't need Marvel lore. No good narrative needs Marvel lore or backstory, that's repugnant to food story telling. What matters is his character archetype and how well he expresses and lives a concept and allegory, that is the United States war against, and occupation of, Japan.
>>741630635You recycling this talking point in to every post doesn't make it sound better, it is actually getting more fake and gay with each iteration.
I just finished playing FF7 and honestly Sephiroth isn't even that much better.>finds out he is an IVF baby>goes insane, but has a cool demeanor about itKuja was probably the first FF villain that had actual depth.
>>741626348I put him in the same camp as Luca Blight from Suikoden 2. He may not be terribly deep, but he's entertaining and always steals the scene when he shows up. Also Dancing Mad and his final fight were pretty crazy for the time.
>>741630597I’d argue that Ultimecia did more damage than Kefka, because she straight up completely achieved her goal. The Time Compression is undone and things go back to normal thanks to a closed time loop of her possessing Edea and Squall giving her the idea for SeeD, but the party has to actually let her win in order to be able to kill her in the first place.
>>741627617A shame it took so long to see this.
>>741630728All of my points are correct. There is no good genre fiction. FF6 attempts to write an epic and mostly succeeds. It is repugnant to Marvel lore or backstories or "universes" noncery. The characters are archetypes and allegories set in play, specifically to tell a national epic.
>>741630863I mean they barely really even stop her. She still will be around in the future of their world eventually and do everything again. They don't actually stop her from fucking up the world in the future.
>>741630909Saying something wrong over and over again in different ways doesn't make it right.
Kefka>firebombed Tokyo>nuked Hiroshima and NagasakiYet Japan heroically persevered, rebuilt, and won the aftermath by restoring sovereignty and ending the American occupation.
>>741630996FUCK I HATE FF8s STORYThe only rpg that did time traveling well was crono trigger. Then that faggot who was pissy about his garbage radical dreamers rpg being forced to make it a sequel to CT fucked everything up. And Square doubles down on that nonsense.
>>741630998It's right now matter how many times it is said. FF6 is aiming at a level above you.
>>741631087A better analogy is that Bibi used the Samson Option to nuke the world from Temple Mount, and an international retribution team traveled there to kill him.
>>741626348Kefka does have a bit of nuance to him despite the experimentation twisting him. His surprise when Gestahl tries taking him out seems genuine, and he does seem to be affected by the party's unity in the last scene before doubling down on rejecting everything. There is an actual human deep inside there, but by the time the game starts he's already unreachable. The first two major things he does after being formally introduced into the story is set an ostensibly-allied kingdom on fire and poison the drinking supply of one that's resisting just to save himself the trouble of a long siege. Not every antagonist has to be sympathetic.>Sephiroth who wasn't even bornHe was, though. You even find out who his parents are in the course of playing it. He's The stuff in the basement that Sephiroth binge-read and went nuts from were based on Gast's research to a point, but was altered by Hojo and is unreliable.
>>741626348reminder that Kefka went insane because of the magitek procedure that cid developedKefka existing enabled your favorite girl Celes's perfect magic girl existence and he also raised your favorite green haired mutt after her parents abandoned her.apologise.
>>741631391>her parents abandoned her>not brutally murdered by Gestahl
>>741630909I do personally feel like archetype/thematic writing is a dying art in most modern writing spheres. No one seems to write antagonists like Sauron anymore, who while lacking in depth and personality, embody a specific idea that the story is trying to critique. I feel Sephiroth is a good example of a misstep the series took in terms of villain writing. Like Kefka, they made an attempt to have him reflect a theme (basically having him be a victim of unchecked corporatism and a vessel for the destructive force that is Jenova), but the reason he became such a popular villain was due to his connection with Cloud, which people wound up fixating on to the point that the thematic aspect of him flew over their heads. Then FF8 gave us Ultimecia, who was a return to a more obviously thematic villain and these same people wound up hating it because she didn’t have a personal connection to Squall, so going forward they kept writing villains who had connections to the MC. It’s why in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts, Sephiroth v Cloud is written primarily as a rivalry with the whole thing of Sephiroth being a corpse reanimated by Jenova being dropped.
>>741631391He was already my favorite, no need to sell me on him
>>741626348I wonder, what the long term ecological damage would be like if one day Earth's major contents just instantly ripped apart and drifted away from each other like this? We've seem what regular ass earthquakes can do and those are fucking nothing by comparison. Not to mention whatever the fuck happens to the climate from major currents being shuffled around.
>>741626515People like winners.
>>741626348Both FFVI and FFVII are ruined by Kefka and Sephiroth. Garbage one dimensional characters.General Leo or Rufus were much better
>>741631996Leo was never really a foe the group encountered, tho.
>>741631843It would basically just be an accelerated version of climate change. Some bits of land would go underwater, which could displace populations and lead to higher rates of migration to certain areas, as well as deaths from natural disasters and famines, but ultimately, it would just be a major crisis rather than the end of the world. Humans are stubborn and would find a way to survive regardless of the circumstances.
>>741632025yes, I meant in terms of characters, without Kefka or Sephiroth, the others (Shinra/Gestahl) would have had more screen time and depth
>>741631843the dinosaurs would resurface and start nuking everyone with high level spells out of spite
>>741631843You ever seen that movie 2012? Imagine that.
>>741630592Sephiroth is a villain. He's the culmination of every evil that Shinra caused and their corruption manifested into a force beyond their control. Finding out that he's a genetically modified human didn't give him license to burn down bystander villages and murder the entire planet and that's not even counting the stuff that his Jenova clones do. A lot of supplementary materials have fleshed out his early years and SOLDIER era but they only reinforce that he had plenty of opportunity to course correct and figure himself out instead of diving fully into the deep end of misanthropic insanity.
>>741630996I’m not sure how she can return in future when she’s essentially stuck in a closed time loop of possessing Edea and then being killed by SeeD while everyone else gets a happily ever after.
>>741632138Shinra and Gesthal would both be mixed bags as main villains because they were both written to be incompetent and upstaged by Sephiroth/Kefka.
>>741632207She is born in the future and does all her evil shit and whatnot and all the game stuff happens again if you know what im saying. Like they dont actually stop her from doing what she does in the future.
It's the rise.He's introduced as a relatively weak and clumsy dork, who uses an extremely deplorable method to annihilate an entire populace. Then he eats shit as a ploy to trick the Returners and finally gathers tremendous power by wiping out numerous Espers. He goes from nothing to the God of Magic. You have to respect the hustle. Seeing the boss become more powerful over the course of the game is way better than being told the boss is untouchable like Golbez, Exdeath, or Sephiroth.
>>741632463Tbf, they do show how strong Sephiroth is through gameplay when he’s in your party during the flashback sequences.6, 7 and 8 all do it to some extent. 6 with Kefka getting stronger with each encounter, 7 with Sephiroth being a god-tier ally turned villain, and 8 doing the exact same thing with Seifer.
>>741632463>way better than being told the boss is untouchable like Golbez, Exdeath, or SephirothSephiroth is a little different than the others because despite the hype he genuinely got fucked up by a kid he underestimated to the point of ignoring him. I like the irony in that.
>>741631534This
>>741632205Not that he wasn't a villain, or a antagonist. Just that he wasn't the main driving force. Although he basically did become that. Still, he is just an unfortunate remnant of Hojo's legacy. One could argue also that the secondary "man behind the curtain" is Jenova the slace parasite. Since she has now reconstructed Sephiroth out of the aether multiple times now, it's hard to know how much, if any of the original Sephiroth is still in there, or if he is just a skinsuit manifestation and avatar of the space goddess.
>>741630210I was about to hit you with>FF6 came way before The Dark Knight, retardbut then I reread OP's post and remembered a lot of FF6 praising was happening from 2008 to like 2013.So you're probably on to something.
>>741632725Yeah but you don't learn that until the end of the game and because of Cloud's Pre-Emptive materia.
>>741633113Kefka was obviously inspired by The Joker, just like how Golbez and Sephiroth were obviously inspired by Darth Vader. It’s no secret that FF has a lot of western influences. You’re right about 2008-2013 being the peak FF6 hype years though. I was a kid then, and I remember people hyping 6 up by saying it was the darkest and most mature FF, which I found out to be complete bullshit when I actually played it, since it’s no more or less dark than any other mainline FF. I think 12 is the only FF that feels super serious with next to no goofy parts at all.
>>741626348I've got tragic-villain-backstory fatigue. Just make them evil.
>>741633485>I was a kid then Fuck, I'm old
>>741633574>evil niggas just want to be evilIt's honestly better. Kefka was just driven mad by experimentation and developed immense misanthropy. That's all the motivation he needs.
You know, after everything, his death was pretty anticlimactic
surprised mods didn't have a tantrum and delete the thread since it's a grainy XIV picture
>>741633756IMO, he’s my least favourite part of 6. I didn’t find him funny and all his fights were annoying.
>>741629068So did Chaos
She never got to experience romantic love. Probably doesn't even know how kids are made.
>>741633897I think that was the point
>>741634002She lived in a town with a pregnant woman during the WoR. She knows.
>>741634002and she never will, because she's stinky and everyone knows it
>>741634270That was very mean and untrue
If you wouldn't Terra in her trance form you're not a real Terrafag
what makes clowns such good villains
>>741626348Why is he a clown?
>>741626348Crazy evil clown mage is entertaining. He stole the show in the Dissidia games too
>>741626348>when the overworld map song changes from Dark World to Searching for Friendshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KziLSwUf_X8&tI'm playing FF6 for the first time and it had been a long time since a game touched me emotionally the way FF6 does.
>>741634836They're distinct"epic subversion" of how clowns are meant to make people happy or smilePeople finding clowns creepy generallyAn excuse for the villain to act wacky or over the top (or to not be those things because "epic subversion")
>>741626714he's not a clown that's actually super evil but a super evil guy that enjoys dressing like a clown
>>741635080The first half is 11/10The second is 6/10
>>741626348I really wonder, if they ever remake 6 how would they handle his laugh? Would they keep using the same sound that shows up even in XIV? Or would they just voice act it normally?
>>741635347They've said several times that 6 won't be remade because it's too much work and they'd rather do other things.
>>741635241Im currently playing World of Ruin and so far I like it.
>>741635347I assume they'd have him laugh normally and sneak in the original somewhere.
>>741635347Even if they did remake the game, Kefka’s laugh is simply too iconic to replace.
>>741635624It's just side quests: the game
>>741636012Yes but I think this is neat. In the second half you can explore on your own and see how the world has changed and how characters try to deal with it.
>>741626348I still dont know how Uematsu came up with 6 and 7s soundtrack. It is just one fucking banger after the otherhttps://youtu.be/oPDbe9YI7-M
>>741626348>Evil for the sake of being evilthis mind was fried by the slave crown, Mr. Secondary watching the game only on Youtube
He strait up murdered a brown guy in cold blood
>>741633053>secondary "man behind the curtain" is Jenova the slace parasiteJenova is braindead. Sephiroth took over Jenova and all its cells when he fell into the lifestream with her head. Jenova is not an acting sentient force in FFVII, there's only Sephiroth at the wheel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197341-final-fantasy-vii/faqs/42137(ctrl+f page 53)
I don't think Final Fantasy as a franchise had a single well written antagonist beyond VayneKefka and Sephiroth have a strong visual identity but they are very shoddily written. I can say the same about Exdeath too.
>>7416362828’s soundtrack is better than both 6 and 7’s:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjHWw_w91QUematsu never missed in general though. He’s genuinely a composer of Beethoven level talent.
>>741636762I always though 8 was not that great. Maybe because I didnt really like the game itself and the music is elevated because of the scenes they play in and vice versa9 was great though
>>741636728Vibes and presentation carry most FF villains. Vayne is definitely a really underrated villain though. It’s refreshing to have a villain who’s motive isn’t “I’m evil and going to destroy the world”.
>>741626348With the right setup Terra can kill him in one turn
>>741636907Or you can turn Mog into a killing machine
>>7416368868 is one of my favourite FFs, if not my absolute favourite, and a big part of that is the music for me. Not a single track misses. Meanwhile, I think the other series OSTs have at least one or two forgettable tracks.
>>741636960Based but it's Terra's story so it felt poetic for her to do it
>>741636728Vayne is your example? He's terribly absent from the actual conflict. The party suffers the consequences of his machinations but that doesn't make him a well-written villain, just a regular old power-hungry prince in charge of the evil empire. I wouldn't even put him above Seymour or Ultimecia.The only true villain that comes close to Kefka writing-wise is fucking Ardyn and he's a bitter pill to swallow because of how contentious XV is.
>>741636907You can turn almost any character in 6 into a killing machine
>>741637116If only I could actually learn about Ardyn just by playing the base game.
>>741637116>He's terribly absent from the actual conflict.What do you want him to do, to parade around you like an ass clown Kefka? Show up from behind every toilet seat like Sephiroth in the remake?Vayne is a ruler, of course he exists behind the scenes. His goal is far more sophisticated than a pure drive for power, he wants to free humanity and formed a genuine friendship with two other revolutionaries to overthrow the celestial jew.
Ruthless killing machines
>>741636194>tracking down everyone who's now dealing with all kinds of longstanding mental issues that came crashing down on them after the party split-up>Sabin is just out there acting like a solo disaster relief squad because he's already resolved his problemsWoR is great. I heard that they had originally planned to end the game on the Floating Continent, but after magically unlocking more cartridge space they made WoR. Makes sense considering it's mostly revisiting areas you've already been to, but they utilized that in a really good way.
>erm, actually, don't you know that kefka is evil because he was experimented on??? it's KINDA obvious...God you people are fucking insufferable.
>>7416370866 is one of the few FFs that doesn’t have a fixed protagonist and is an ensemble cast. I think 12 is the only other one that’s ensemble in the same way.
I liked Kuja he's a vain asshole who throws a tantrum when he learns he's gonna die someday.
>>741633574I find that I generally prefer more simplistic villains these days just because fleshing out a villain tends to harm the pacing. Having scenes that are focused purely on Team Villain is usually pretty boring.
>>741637227The base game provides you with enough context. It at least spells out that he's the betrayed chosen that once healed the world but got left to rot by the gods. But Episode Ardyn really sells him and the novel has you fucking cheering for him.
>>741637398Kuja is basically a male Ultimecia in that sense.
Leotards need to make a comeback
>>741637398Kuja is simple but at least his tantrum is understandable unlike Kefka just wanting to fuck the world
>>741637367Let's be real. Mog is the protagonist.
>>741637494Not even die, but die really soon due to being a failed weapon.He sought the only real means to save his own life.
>>741637296It’s a shame that “behind the scenes” villains are so unpopular nowadays. It’s like every villain has to be a Darth Vader clone with tons of screen time and a deep personal connection to the protagonist. Sometimes a shadowy figure who we know very little about until later in the story works just as well.
>>741637296>to parade around you like an ass clown Kefka?>Show up from behind every toilet seat like Sephiroth in the remake?Yes, actually. Good villains have presence and scenes. Their oppressive force is what drives you to win. Vayne has very little. His oppression is a background element that's causing the Judges to hound your ass. He won't ever be the same threat is that Sephiroth is in Cloud's head or Kefka does by causing bad things to happen whenever he shows up. By the time you gotta actually deal with him you've already dealt with the actual villains of the story and he just feels like mopping up an idiot on a power trip.
>>741637367You're kidding yourself if you don't think Terra is obviously portrayed as more important than the others.
>>741637662You can beat the game without Terra even being in your party. If anything, you could make a stronger case that Celes is the MC if you had to single out anyone.
>>741637645>Good villains have presence and scenes.You want every villain to be a Joker or Darth Vader, that's a very childish taste in antagonists, grow up. Vayne drives the entire plot forward and together with Cid and Venat manages to change the entire course of human history, even though he gets assassinated he did more for the world than any of the protagonists (and most of the antagonists in previous games). Vayne's speeches are among the best written parts of the entire series.
>>741637846Imperial hands typed this slop.
>>741626348everyone already said it but he's one of the few villains that actually succeeded and he only loses at the very end when the world is already in ruins and he's just fucking around destroying the last vestiges of hope. his design is also pretty fun, everyone loves their jokersalso dancing mad is fucking great
Enough waifufagging
>>741637752Square doesn't seem to see it that way with Terra being used as the FF6 rep for everything
>>741626348He is evil for the sake of himself.He is just a selfish person.Sometimes evil people simply are terrible people in power.
>>741637645That’s a shitty creative writing class level philosophy to writing antagonists when applied as a general rule. There’s no “one size fits all” method to writing a good villain. It depends on what kind of story you’re writing. FF12 is a political drama, so it makes sense that the villain is a behind the scenes puppet master.
None of it was even real. The ending showed it was all just a play. The cast are actors.
>>741638089>FF12 is a political dramaFor like 20 minutes until it falls back into the bog standard Final Fantasy fare of dethroning wannabe gods.>By the time you gotta actually deal with him you've already dealt with the actual villains of the story and he just feels like mopping up an idiot on a power trip.Disprove that.
>>741637662as someone mentioned you don't even have to get her back in the WoR and it opens with CelesMarketing=/=the actual game
>>741637349have you tried not being a fucking idiot then? Maybe then people wouldn't have to point out the extremely obvious to you, RETARD
>>741638579He was a grown ass man who allowed himself to get experimented on for power. He has no sob story.
>>741629242Kefka can never win in his own head anyway. No matter how much destruction and despair he causes, it's never enough, and to make things even more difficult for him he craves external validation. Can't have that when everyone's dead. The party appearing before him and telling him that they've found hope and new reasons to live despite all his best efforts gives him a catastrophic meltdown. At that point, he really will destroy all of existence if he can never have his enemies tell him that he was right.
>>741638670nobody said he had a 'sob story' though? Nobody said you should feel sorry for him.What WAS said was:>hurr durr ebil no reason XD and then a reason was provided as to why he acts the way he does.This is not fucking rocket science.
>>741638749and so we're clear, he could've been written as a simple died in the wool mass murderer with no real reason to do what he does and that would've been fine too.Not every villain needs 'DEEP COMPLEX MOTIVES"
>>741637662Terra until the end of the Floating Continent and Celes after that. Even ensemble casts have main characters that stand out more than others. FFXII doesn't have a central hero either but you definitely hear Ashe talk more than Fran.
>>741638579It's only mentioned by a single, generic, MISSABLE NPC in Vector. Pretending that it's obvious makes you retarded.
>>741638749So he's just a piece of shit
>>741638903it IS obvious, Terra having one is a big early plot point, and you ARE retardedI am sorry you found out this way
>>741626348because localization was a shit show back then.
>>741638901The game feels incomplete without Terra in the party. She's the "link" between humans and espers, she stands front and center in the final battle and is the one who converses with Kefka. If she's not in the party no one stands in the front. She's the obvious leader. Even if you don't recruit her she's still on the ship at the end unlike everyone else. Everyone worries about Terra and what will happen to her if magic is erased. Celes doesn't have much of a story other than revenge, recruiting her old friends, and fucking Locke.
>>741637752She still forces her way into the ending, even if you don't get her back.
>>741634836Japan likes Gacy. He showed up in a couple of anime this season.
>>741626485that's the rule
Waifufags are more evil than Kefka ever was
>>741626348it's cool that he's set up as a saturday morning cartoon starter villain like team rocket or something that gets exponentially more menacing every time you meet
>>741626515he did it, the absolute dancing madman
>>741639482Oddly based of Japan
But what if clussy?
>>741626348Unrepentantly evil can be fun.
>>741626348Kefka >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sephiroth
how would you feel about ff7 revelation where you could fix sephiroth and he teams up and becomes a good guy
