>>741628003
Watch it be immaterial changes so that the old complainers are still unhappy but right wingers also pissed about it because they claimed it was being changed at all. So that everyone hates the new one.

It would be funny if the changes to Kanji and Naoto just pisses off the LGBTQ community even more instead

>>741628003
great news i will buy it leave a bad review and refund it

>>741628003
never played P4, is this guy actually gay or something?

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It's 100% about them making fun of the fat chick.

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>>741628360
no he just likes doing shit thats considered girly like sewing
the "boy" hes attracted to canonically has the biggest tits of the whole cast

>>741628003
3 weeks later it will be modded back to normalcy
thats the good thing about PC. no nude mods for chie tho, the playerbase is chockfull of faggots

>>741628003
Proof?

>>741628510
its literally in the trailer if you pay attention.
if you don't,
vice.com/en/article/atlus-confirms-persona-4-revival-will-change-controversial-storylines/

>>741628437
it annoys me the lack of understanding that goes on in the retarded section of the community. They discount thats hes also just a teenager. They think shit constantly. Oops maybe im gay. oh, its a girl. guess im not gay.

>>741628950
>lack of understanding
They're doing it intentionally.

yeah nah I'm not picking this up
I played Golden a few years ago, and P3R this year so I know what to expect and honestly it just doesn't feel necessary to play P4R especially given how easy they're making it

>>741628950
Taking advantage of confused teenagers is just something they can't help.

>>741628360
He is bi, and his character arc is to not care about it. Naoto was about overcoming gender roles and there was nothing wrong with it, they're going to retain it but replace the "i will be a woman instead of a man" quote with something akin to "I won't let a (patriarcal) society define who I am, where I should be, and what I should do" to effectively communicate its themes.

Naoto screams
>I'M TRANS
at the top of her lungs.

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>>741628003

>Game's larger moral message is about accepting the truth and searching for the truth
>LGBTs rage, refuse to accept the truth and just invent their own

Pretty sure the game isn't the problematic element here.

>>741629395
So P4 will now be rewritten since Japan is now a matriarchal society, right? Right?!

>>741629449
nah, it'll just be rewritten to directly criticize misogyny with zero room for ambiguity.

>>741629542
right-wing projection

Based nippon bending over and taking the big american american girlcock (she/her).

>>741629646
Those shitty ass adult males...

>>741629634
Japan isn't remotely matriarchal. Their new PM opposes the succession of a female emporer despite them existing prior to the meiji era.

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>>741629646

And yet, right-wingers were never the ones who had issues with this game's themes or writing.

Curious.

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>>741629646

How the hell is it even projection when this topic is specifically about the game's "problematic" elements? It seems damn well on point the core of the issue if anything.

Welp
Atlus is so safe nowadays that I doubt they'd be able to make Persona 2, SMT SJ or Catherine nowadays. Thank you P5 for ruining this company

>>741628858
What? All this is doing is decomfirming he's gay

>>741630035
He was never a fag.
In fact he actively lusted after Naoto in the og.

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>>741629837
They very much do. They headcanon those themes as being BASED anti-LGBT messages despite it being about refusing to be pressured by gender roles in a rural part of japan. I don't remotely blame right-wingers for doing so however, a lot of conservative media sucks ass and is preachy. They like anime stuff because it's centered out of a sincerity and a lived experience, instead spite for minorities.

>>741630187
He lusted after naoto from thinking that she was a boy.

>They seem to be trying to address the unfortunate reading from the original game that following less ‘traditionally male’ norms meant you’re gay
This is the bigoted view held by the bullies that cause Kanji's confusion about sexuality. It is painted in a negative light, so anyone with even a hint of reading comprehension would understand that the game's message is the exact opposite. A man liking traditionally feminine things doesn't make him gay

>>741628089
The complainers are never happy, thoughbeit.

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>>741628858
So I decided to actually open this up to verify if this article actually existed or not. They changed Shadow Kanji's weapons from two male symbols to a male symbol and female symbol instead. You can see it in the new overview video they showed last week.

Do you think this is a good change or do you think it's bad change? I personally don't mind it as the entire point is that Kanji was interested in traditionally feminine hobbies anyways, which people in the town gave him shit for. The shadow is a heavily exaggerated manifestation of the insecurities caused by those judging him for liking those feminine hobbies.

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>>741628003
>*taps the sign*

>>741630280
Nta but pony tail police are retarded and useless. Even true left-wingers know having female police is retarded. It's only progressive retards that think this is a good thing

>>741630606
>Do you think this is a good change or do you think it's bad change?
I'm indifferent but it doesn't fill me with confidence that there aren't more severe instances of rewriting the game.

>>741628003
If they make it .000001% more woke friendly I will never buy an Atlus game again, a Sega game again, or anybody who buys Atlus from Sega as well.
If they double down I will buy p3r and metaphor and the p5 spin-offs.
Ruin my waifu and die atlus.

Hahahaha I wonder if Yosuke still gets to say "...are we safe?" about sleeping in the tent with Kanji hahahah

>>741631143
They aren't going to change Naoto to being a tranny but Sega will absolutely add in tranny messaging using Naoto.

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>>741629395
>he is bi

>>741629395
>He is bi
proof?

>yet another culture war game
When is the election going to end?

>>741630187
Kanji has always been a bisexual. His shadow is just not directly about him being a bisexual.

>>741631424
Until the death of politics, so never retard.

>>741630606
I think his shadow in the original game was very badly handled. If the shadow really is the "true self", then he really seems to be gay. But in actuality, he is written as a straight (or maybe bi) guy who has feminine interests and is bullied by it and who becomes insecure of his masculinity and unsure of his sexuality.
His shadow wielding a male and female symbol could symbolize that he is himself unsure and confused about his sexuality

>>741631639
there's supposedly a difference between midnight channel shadows (yukiko's, kanji's, rise's) and personal shadows (like yosuke's and chie's) because the former incorporate public thoughts. Which kinda makes sense except for Naoto who should be more about the public. But then you get to Nametame's shadow being a projection of the kid's thoughts in the hospital room and you need the private vs. public interpretation. And you also have whatever shadow teddie is.

So basically the writing around the nature of the shadows you fight is sloppy and not thought through perfectly

>>741630606
>I don't mind that things are changed due to politics, because I can justify it to myself
>wait wtf why are all my games full of black women and trannies now?

>>741631343
He's gay, but also ends up with Naoto, who is a girl
>>741631424
Hitler died in 1945, when did they stop talking about him? Sorry, Trump will be the boogeyman for at least another century. So yeah, the election will last for your entire life, get used to it.

>>741628003
Based

Trans People Won!!!
>Trans People Won!!!
Trans People Won!!!
>Trans People Won!!!

>>741628003
You will be forced to date Hanako in P4R.

>>741628003
Is it because people keep thinking he’s an actual faggot when he isn’t?

>>741628003
>Kanji is now bisexual
>Naoto no longer says she is a woman, dialogue now is only about being true to yourself

>>741632018
>misread as Nanako
oh no, anyway
>read again as Hanako
oh no

>>741629395
He's not bisexual, retarded secondary.

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>>741632018
The best girls don't go steady for nothing, you know? You need to make an effort

>>741631639
Shadows take on a role decided by collective unconscious. So they act out the part that other people spread rumors about and put on a show in TV world. The shadows essentially put on a mask themselves and thus the "Haha, that's right, you're not me so I can be me!" when the protagonists reject them.

The obvious example and the one that forms the lynchpin of the plot, is Nametame's shadow who admits to being the culprit because the investigation team believe he is.

Kanji is a bisexual, but what his shadow is actually hiding the insecurities of being feminine behind the mask of being an overcompensitating gay.

>>741631992
>Bi boy changed to a tranny
>Non-binary girl change to a tranny
>TRANS PEOPLE WON!!!
The T is truly the parasite of the LGBTQ+

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>>741631973
>He's gay, but also ends up with Naoto, who is a girl
I refuse to believe that you played the game and reached this conclusion.

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>>741628003
>Kanji will be a full blown homo in your life

>>741632354
No he won't p4r won't be canon if they change it for the gays.

>>741632246
The arc was coming out as gay, that's why he was attracted to Naoto cause he thought she was a boy. When it was revealed later that she was a girl, he still stayed with her in future content (Arena, ultimax). That's pretty much confirmed bi.

>>741628003
So they're sanitizing the dialog so that there's no question that Kanji isn't gay and Naoto isn't trans. Fine, i'll take it. It beats the alternative.

>>741631973
>Hitler died in 1945
declassified intel docs confirmed what everyone already knew, he escaped to south america. also kanji wasn't gay and you're a big fag

>>741632395
It is never confirmed that hes with her just that hes into her and embarrassed about it.
Naoto is too autistic to notice and kanji will never confess.

>>741632203
Naoto and Mitsuo both have shadows and realms that have basically no incorporation of public beliefs at all without a good explanation for why, and the reason is because it's pretty sloppy writing

>>741629395
>they're going to retain it but replace the "i will be a woman instead of a man" quote with something akin to "I won't let a (patriarcal) society define who I am, where I should be, and what I should do"
I guess you missed the whole Bridget fiasco. That kind of nuance is not allowed anymore.

>>741632395
he just knows a woman when he sees one

>>741632395
>attracted to zero actual males
>attracted to naoto, who is female
>"This means he's gay."
fag gymnastics are so tiring.

I guess going by this thread, and how there's still people refusing not only that Kanji was bi, but that he was even gay in the first place, the change will probably just be him just saying "I'm gay" at the end of his dungeon. I hate how this will give a win to the media literacy people, but I guess it's the only way for companies to confirm or deny anything about a character these days, since anything left unsaid gives room for political grasshoppers to use it as a platform for their bullshit. What a shame.

>>741628003
From what has actually been shown, they're basically modifying some imagery to make it extra super clear he's not gay and is just having a crisis of his masculinity.
Basically the devs are seeing all the "Kanji is gay" and "naoto is trans" fags as a failure to communicate/they didn't thoroughly bash the audience over the head hard enough with the message

>>741628139
Kanji’s shadow is just toxic masculinity and Naoto just wants respect in the work force….. oh wait thats what they always been lol. Nah I fear they are hitting on Rise and Marie… maybe addressing both the incel and making Adachi less “likable”… fuuu worried for the four former don’t give an f about the two later.

>>741628365
Oh shit that could be it too!

>>741632729
Sorry anon, video game companies in 2026 don't have the balls to put that type of nuance in their games. Especially not when there's localizers and English VAs involved.

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>Atlus CONFIRMS they will change conversion storylines!!
>look inside
>"Outside of the Kanji sequence, we don’t know how much will actually be changed. And even in the new Shadow Kanji scene, we only see changes in the gender symbols and bathhouse sign. It’s unclear if dialogue or cutscenes will also see revisions."
You don't hate retarded journos enough

>>741632993
Hey, they got the clicks. Politics sell.

>>741631639
"True self" is a bit of a misnomer for the Shadow.
The "Self" in Jung is supposed to include both your Ego and the unconscious, which includes the shadow.
So the actual answer should be "I am me but you are also me", and the truer self is a mix of both things.

>>741632993
always assume baseless clickbait from modern journalism

Golden already made Kanji blush over Yu and Yosuke at points

>>741628003
>watch
I feel like OPs joke went over a lot of heads

>>741632236
It's a falseflag post, retard.

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>>741632696
He is not bi and certainly not fucking gay. He's a guy who grew up with feminine hobbies, and because of this were relentlessly mocked by girls his age. His traumatic experiences with girls causes him to develop a negative attitude towards them and makes him question his own masculinity and even sexuality. He adopts a supermasculine personality in order to combat the female accusations that he's not a real man.

He admits that the thought of him being a homo has crossed his mind. This thought being a result of his poor interactions with girls, their mean comments and the more easygoing interactions with males. To a confused teenager it would make sense;
>Hmm, I like sewing and I have a much easier time around boys, maybe I really am gay?
But taking this at face value is just wrong. People ignore that Kanji is only 15, in the late stages of puberty, a time where weird fucking thoughts enter your head as you grow from child to teenager and try to understand yourself and the world around you. At the end of his confrontation with his shadow he realizes that it's about him just being scared of being rejected for being himself, a guy with feminine hobbies, NOT a homosexual.

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>>741628003
So I was right to just play Golden and skip this game.
It will ruin the ending btw.
The whole point is despite struggling with their conflicted intrusive thoughts, they know inside that isn't them and pinpoint why they are conflicted.
>Gay dude wasn't gay, just thought women were cunts and started developing conflicted feelings
They left this vague, but the conclusion would be mysoginistic today.
>Trans girl wasn't trans, just resented not being taken seriously as woman and wanted to be taken as seriously as a male.
Just realizing this is a hecking hate crime a rino to modern audience retards
>Yukkiko wasn't bisexual, she just wanted anyone to be her knight in shining armor that took her away from the small town she resented
Now she'll be bisexual with a chie love subplot... So I guess that's a plus
>Pedo nurse won't even be allowed to exist
She specifically has sex with you twice and sexually harasses you threatening your job if you don't fuck her. She targeted you because you were in highschool and she was on her 30s. They will ruin the whole subplot that had the whole point of showing how she became a person who uses sex to fill the void of loneliness in her life and leaves destruction where she goes from all the affairs she has.... But that subplot will disappear.
>Rise arc where she is getting naked and selling sex will be censored to shit.
She's underage. P4 didn't go to far and kept it tasteful, but faggots cry about everything so expect them to cry about that

>>741635117
he also got a deathbed request from his father to be a real man that fucked with his child head

>>741628003
Honestly it might make sense to rewrite Shadow Kanji. He's supposed to be a villainous archetype of homoerotic masculinity taken to parody extremes, but what was absurd and disgusting in 2008 is something that is normal and accepted now. Shadow Kanji as portrayed in 2008 is a character that modern audiences would expect to be an ally or even a party member. In order to make the game make sense in the modern day, Shadow Kanji will need to be rewritten to be even more of a misogynist in order for audiences to actually see him as a villain.

>>741635226
Pedo nurse s.link goes up faster if you reject her because she likes you playing hard to get and she only fucks you if you accept her advances which makes her s.link proceed at a snails pace.

>>741629395
>this guy who likes girls actually wants cock because teehee

>>741632395
Its so easy to tell you redditroons dont play games. In the FIRST SCENE naoto and kanji talk, he mutters to himself "he said hes interested in me and wants to meet up? But we're both guys..."
YWNBAWKWABOTY

>>741630606
mods will fix it the whole female symbols thing. but i also won't play it, so i don't really care.

>>741635660
That's just because if you become one of her toys you are less of a person. In order to build her S.Link and actually change her perception of the world you need to challenge her beliefs.

My greatest fear is still that they will involve Marie even more.

>>741634491
you're replying to the false flagger genius

>>741631973
>video games are forever going to be tormented by 2016
So we might as well just pull out of gaming? I guess this is it?

>>741636042
A new red haired character will be added. She was hanging out in the trunk of the velvet limo the whole time.

>>741628003
Why do you cockheads not show any source each time you say things like this for news, half the time it's literally fake stuff or just lies for stupid debates, when you say something give the source dammit

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>>741631639
Holy fuck these retards really never played the fucking game

>>741631639
Oh my god I hate P5 secondaries so much, shadows do not speak 100% truth

>>741629646
Yea its those damn right wingers that insist that kanji is gay and naoto is a troon.
Ignore the core concept of the game, accepting your true self, no MY REALITY IS WHAT MATTERS.

>>741630606
what's the problem? They made it more clear he is not gay for the retards out there

>>741628003
i'll be pissed if they make him a faggot because OG kanji is literally me

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>>741636275
Let me outta here

>>741636656
>female sho
Jesus christ kill it with fire just give us labrys instead.

>>741636387
>Holy fuck these retards really never played the fucking game
You're only just NOW finding that out?

>>741636431
Shadows in P4 are the Jungian shadows. The repressed unconscious part of your self. They are more truthful than the ego

They won't touch Kanji or Naoto
They might do something about Yosuke though

>>741630606
Nobody was judging him for having feminine tastes thats an insecurity he set on himself
A female and male symbol will just make it more clear that he is bi.

>>741637602
Girls bullied him for liking feminine things, which caused him to avoid girls in favor of guys, which in turn made him think he's gay

>>741631903
Shadows were never affected by public thoughts, public thoughts affect who appears in the midnight channel before they are abducted

>>741636387
NTA but c'mon the writing about what shadows really are is conflicted and just about making whatever dungeon concept they had work. They wanted camp gay comedy, same as they wanted stripper idol and 8 bit JRPG dungeon

>>741637439
All shadows in Persona are parasites from a prehistoric meteorite that gave human beings consciousness at the cost of stripping them of their immortality and escape the human body at thoughts of suicide.

>>741633191
Both selfs are a part of the person in question, it does not mean the person is literally their unconcious self but it makes sense that they are thoughts they are aware they’ve had.
Chie is a pretty obvious example of this because she HAS had thoughts about how yukiko depending on her makes her feel good about herself but obviously she doesn’t really think of yukiko only like that yukiko is actually her friend but nobody has pure thoughts all the time.

>>741637808
*incidentally the quality of the NES JRPG dungeon is what I'm going to judge 4R on entirely, the original game's Void Quest is so fucking lame and cheap compared to how much '80s nostalgia with authentic chiptunes and so one has exploded since the late 2000s

>>741637676
Everyones perception of him from the moment that he is introduced is that he is a tough guy who beat up an entire gang.
His very introduction is also rooted in his interest in naoto when he still thinks hes a guy. The hint your group uses to find his shadow is that he was acting a little odd when talking to naoto.

>>741637990
>Void Quest is so fucking lame and cheap
>The person inside Void Quest was also fucking lame

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I told you her days were numbered. I fucking told you

>>741637947
I know dw. Read the actual books for a decade straight now.

>>741637439
The unconscious also gets mixed with the collective, which is why in P4 that's represented as a TV world and it's said it has to do with how others see you as well.
It's not necessarily more truthful or repressed personally, it's a part of yourself that you don't quite see and says the other half of the truth, but the Ego is also saying its own half.
Something something about needing to join the opposites instead of going all the way into one or the other.

>>741628003
Kanjis shadow is still in a bathhouse and is still completely naked.
They will likely just change yosukes homophobic dialogue.
I doubt they will break the ambiguity of kanjis sexuality

>>741638302
you will never be a man with a thick juicy cock and balls that clack

>>741638302
What is it that you think they'll do to her?

>>741628003
I think the only thing that will change is Yosuke going "Ew, don't rape me in my sleep FAGGOT." during the camping trip

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>>741638413
You really don't know? In Current Year?

>>741632856
>making Adachi less “likable”
uuuuuhhhhh add a scene where he kicks a puppy or something, there done

>>741638489
No. You think she's gonna whip out a cock or something?

why is it ALWAYS fagtlus behind this subversive shit and fucking up perfectly fine products over and over again?
its almost as if theyre completely taken over by a certain "group" since they're so mediocre at absolutely everything except re-releasing games, Konami died for MUCH LESS

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>>741632395
kanji's dick knew naoto was a girl before he did how is he bi?

>>741638350
>which is why in P4 that's represented as a TV world and it's said it has to do with how others see you as well.
This is still wrong and conflicts directly with whats said in game. Yosuke, teddie and chie never appear on tv and nanako never manifests a shadow. The shadows also do not act how people would expect them to act like with the sole exception of Rise which to be fair is still also grossly exaggerated because people see her as an idol not a whore.
What each self encounters as a shadow in the tv world is basically just their own repressed thoughts/feelings, nothing else.
Its really not that big of a deal if kanji is bi considering hes mainly interested in women, why not get mad IF they make him into a romance option instead?

>>741630748
For once, I agree with the Simpsons

>>741628003
Kanji isn't gay, but caring about what other people think that much does make him a faggot though.

>>741638623
Same reason why you’d get hard at that image even if they had a penis and you couldnt see it

>>741638852
she*

Are they actually gonna make a character transgender? That can't be true right?

>>741638852
>
>you couldnt see it
its a bikini are you blind

I don't really like the idea of trans Naoto, but if the cool male detective she wanted to emulate was Colombo specifically and she started doing a Peter Falk impression the rest of the game, then I think I'd support that.

>>741638638
>exception of Rise which to be fair is still also grossly exaggerated because people see her as an idol not a whore.
This one is the key to understand the relationship between the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious. It's not either one or the other, it's both.

You have to understand that in Jung, the unconscious is not purely personal and not purely a result of repression, but rather a part of the self that you don't quite see or identify as yourself, whether intentionally or not. But other people see it.

>>741640047
That doesn’t mean thats how its explained in game.
“Other people” don’t see that self in game, besides the characters who fight it as a boss obviously. It makes no sense for teddies shadow to be “defined” by some unconciousness formed of all humans if nobody has ever truly met him. He is also a shadow himself which further supports the theory that any one or anything with a psyche can have a shadow.

>>741631903
The only thing the public affected was who appeared in the midnight channel and the reality TV show aspect of some of the shadows in the TV world. Everything the shadows talked out was some sort of insecurity the person had, their speeches were entirely unaffected by the public perception

>>741640531
>Everything the shadows talked out was some sort of insecurity the person had, their speeches were entirely unaffected by the public perception
lol

>>741639067
They won't because Atlus won't allow so. Most of the game will have semi accurate translation to JP one. The only worries are tranny voicing Naoto and Rise's dungeon getting censorer.

>>741640379
>“Other people” don’t see that self in game
Well they don't say it out loud.
>nobody has ever truly met him.
IT did
>that any one or anything with a psyche can have a shadow.
There's an issue with that in the case of Nanako, since she has a psyche surely enough, but not a shadow. Reason for that is because she doesn't have much of a differentiation as an individual(or as the Ego differentiated from the Shadow) in the very first place.

>>741640531
Public perception affects the unconscious as much as your own thoughts and feelings on it, simply put.

>>741630606
I think it's good because it makes it more clear that Kanji's issue is with being insecure with his masculinity and the contrast between his masculine brovado and feminine hobies and will hopefully reduce the amount of retards screaming "HE'S GAY". Also for the other replies to this saying it means he's bi now these are the same tourists who previously said he's gay. They are trannies, have never played P4 and can be ignored.

>>741628003
The original translations were pretty bad anyway. They probably could have just stuck closer to the Japanese script and it would have been fine.

>>741639067
They will, they explicitly said they're aiming for that mythical modern audience.

>>741640691
>They won't because Atlus won't allow so.
They will because Fatlus is all In on this faggot train, or did you forget what they did with the P3 Demake?

>>741636387
>P4fanexcitedtoplaythegameforthefirsttime.jpeg

>>741636275
You know how come Arena’s both storylines can’t be dlc?

>>741632395
How the fuck did you play the game and come to this absolutely atrocious delusional intepretation? His arc ends with rejecting homosexuality and embracing true manhood of accepting yourself and your hobbies. Naoto just adds to his (insecurity driven) confusion, but he is ultimately straight once the insecurity is removed. Absolutely kill yourself you media illiterate retard, and gas your family for producing such a weak genetic dead-end.

>>741641002
Besides Theurgies and tranny removal nothing was wrong with P3R. The translation was good, besides graphics and easier gameplay, and irrelevant bs retards here seethe about, not much changed either.

>>741640820
>Public perception affects the unconscious as much as your own thoughts and feelings on it, simply put.

maybe I worded that wrong. What I mean is that the actual shadow entity doesn’t manifest until the person interacts with the TV world, otherwise it just remains a blank silhouette because the public knows nothing about person and merely wishes they did

>>741635226
Reading it like this, I'm surprised they're even releasing a game like this in 2026. Now it's just going to be a generic schoolslop with any coming of age nuance removed.

>>741641290
Well sure, though the shadow is already there as far the psyche is concerned.
>because the public knows nothing about person and merely wishes they did
That is more than enough for the person to become a vessel of unconscious projections.

>>741630380
A straight man finding a woman disguised as a man attractive and then questioning his sexuality is a common trope

I'm too dumb for this shadow shit and figuring out what part is real or not, I played the game for the girls and that's it

>>741641223
He didn't. He's either intentionally shitposting or a retard who has never played the game.

>>741632856
>Kanji’s shadow is just toxic masculinity
???
Kanji's shadow is a flaming homosexual, like it's not even subtle.

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>>741640820
The problem with the whole oublic perception thing is that for every shadow that appears the publics actual perception of the person would have to have some effect on the shadow but it doesn’t instead the shadow is entirely based on the persons clearly repressed thoughts. Nobody saw chie as a dominatrix with a whip being carried by several student slaves or yosuke as a super hero ninja, the same goes for yukiko and kanji and teddie. Rise is pretty much the only one you can stretch to “well virgins thought of her in a striphouse” but really the game never outright states what is such an important detail, moreover the whole public perception thing is never explained neither by the game or edogawas classroom to be a part of the shadows more. The whole collective unconcious thing in jung probably refers more to the tv world itself rather than the shadows themselves since its supposed to be “the world inside humans hearts”. The only thing I can truly assume and this is more of a theory as it is also never stated is that shadows appear as a collective (so collective unconcious) before a selfs shadow is actually made in front of them because they physically appeared in the tv world. Nanako likely doesn’t have a shadow because she didn’t have a complex, namatames “shadow” is also never actually fought as what he directly turns into is an entity similar to ameno-sagiri or whatever his name was, basically one of Izanami’s lackeys.
No idea what you mean by “IT” but for your idea of a “collective inconcious” to even make sense in regards to personal shadows teddie would have to extensively interact with the human world and be seen as a loner

>>741640379
it's kept intentionally vague, but a significant amount of inaba are actively watching the midnight channel like the party. the game makes a very clear distinction between the shadow that appears on screen and the shadow that appears in the tv world.

>>741640920
Nobody has ever said hes gay only that hes bi. You’re insanely delusional

>>741642230
The fact that you're even trying this blatant historical revisionism is just proving my point. Tourist.

>>741638638
>Yosuke, teddie and chie never appear on tv
and their shadows appear in their normal clothes unlike the others who are characters in a cheesy overproduced tv show for the public.

>>741642226
The thing people see in the midnight channel is a “silouette” of someone who was recently the talk of town, usually because of an interview, and it just conveniently aligns with a rainy day.
The actual “shadow” appearing part is when the person was already thrown in.
You are assuming the shadow is the way it is because of the people watching the midnight channel but the only thing those people cause is trigger the silouette to appear in tv which triggers namatame to kidnap them.
The actual shadow is based on the individual person thrown in

>>741642152
You are taking it far too literally, and not understanding that both things(personal and collective) blend into each other in the unconscious.
Also IT = investigation team.

>>741642525
>Nametame's shadow

>>741642340
You are terminally online and only ever read things by other terminally online people, probably mostly trannies who are delusional like you

>>741631437
Correct. But this concept is too difficult for your average /v/tard to comprehend.

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>>741628003
>yosuke joke about being good with hands removed
>removed the gay symbol
Knowing nu atlus that famously just removed the tranny from p3 instead of addressing it at all, they are removing kanji being "bi" and naoto's sex change dungeon. Kanji is just going to be worried about his masculinity instead of sexuality, naoto is just struggling with being a female detective in a male world, and yosuke is no longer homophobic. They are gonna avoid all sex change or sexuality aspect of it.

>>741642402
That doesn’t really mean anything though, as it doesn’t affect the shadows personality and form at all. If anything that only happens because the shadow wasn’t given time to “develop” or whatever. For everyone that was thrown in an entire structure forms at some point.

>>741642586
Thats why I said the collective unconcious is the tv world itself including the shadows but not the “personal shadows” again this is an informed assumption but yours is as well as nothing about this is ever stated in game or by edogawa.

>>741642594
What about it? Iirc it only shows up if you get the bad end right? I may be remembering wrong all I remember is it appears on the hospital tv monitor in namatames room

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>>741642892
It's wild how social media is crucifying Yosuke for being homophobic. An actual teenager is way, way, worse than he is. They call each other faggot or cocksucker as a term of endearment.

>>741641226
>nothing was wrong with P3R
Either a clueless retard or a weasel liar.

>>741630280
>a lot of conservative media
What conservative media? No seriously, who is making what you call "conservative media" in the first place?
I ask because since you're saying it's "preachy" surely you have watched some "conservative media" and thus can name some.

You're not complaining about things that don't exist, are you, anon?

>>741642976
Nametame's shadow shows up when you're confronting him in the hospital room after Nanako dies, before the choices that lead to bad endings. He taunts you in ways that strictly imply that Nametame was the murderer. Then later after the crisis is resolved Naoto figures out that that shadow was a projection of the desires of the IT in that moment wanting someone to push their anger onto, implying strong public interests or desires imprint on the TV magic.

>>741643203
No he's right, Reload was fantastic. You're just upset your tranny representation was removed.

>>741642594
Namatame had already interacted with the TV world by that point so his shadow already manifested in there

>>741642976
>Thats why I said the collective unconcious is the tv world itself
That seems about right.
>including the shadows but not the “personal shadows”
My point is that there's no clear line of separation, that's a feature of consciousness.
In the unconscious, things blend into each other, they are not differentiated. The shadow has a person's own thoughts/feelings that didn't reach consciousness for any given reason + what's being seen, or rather projected into it by the collective(and while you are not consciously aware of it, it affects you unconsciously).

>>741642525
The shadows are effected by the unconscious perception of inaba, it’s basically how izanami justifies everything, it’s also a running theme in persona, the big bad is always powered by the inherent thoughts and desires from the masses

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>>741628003

>gay character
>/v/: "trans this trans that"

I'm proud that we as a society have become progressive enough to accept gay people as just normal people who deserve respect like anyone else.
20 years ago, i would never have thought that his day would come.

i'm proud of /v/ for being so tolerant in this day and age.

>>741628003
I don't get it, i thought his whole issue was coming to terms that one could be gay and manly and that he shouldn't fear what society would think of him.

everyone agrees with that, who would object to this?

>>741643358
Nah, you "and him" are wrong and retarded. The fact that you misinterpreted what was done with the beach scene confirms you're a malicious liar. For anyone who doesn't know, the tranny is still there, what was removed was a joke at his expense for being a tranny, now it's some retarded conspiracy nut scammer nonsense not to offend anyone (including the retarded trannies defending the P3 Demake.) Various social links got censored too btw.

>>741643561
I've yet to be convinced gay people deserve respect

>>741644126
wow, your retarded argument has evolved. You really wanted that tranny to stay in game huh?

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>>741628003
good Personafags deserve this for not getting rid of the tranny tumor that latched onto the series

>>741643373
okay lets say the tv world is the “collectivr unconcious”
>yosuke and yu enter it to investigate saki
>encounter where saki dies
>yosuke becomes emotional
>his shadow manifests within the collective unconcious itself but its not based on literally everyones thoughts but his thoughts within it
This is the way I see it. This is why I see kanjis original shadow as his “homo thoughts and insecurity about girly things” and why naotos is basically a kiddy version of herself that wants to perform body alteration surgery (and not because I think her shadow is trans, I am well aware naotos complex is not that) since naoto is frustrated about being taken seriously in a male dominated workforce on top of still just being underaged not to mention her whole thing about liking puzzles and whatnot

>>741643249
Shadows are exaggerated versions of the self, namatame thought he was saving nanako but nanako dies so he realizes people are actually being put in danger. You’re stretching the truth of the scene but even if you were right this is literally one single case of many and he had already been on the tv world, it makes perfect sense for his shadow to have manifested considering his emotional turmoil. Could also just have been izanami taunting yu but i dunno there, thats definitely me stretching it but seems far more likely.

>>741643249
Namatame’s shadows acts as no more as an exaggeration of his inner thoughts as the other shadows do. It never actually states it’s the killer either, only that the Investigation Team stopped his goal which in Namatame’s was actually saving people and the IT assumed meant killing

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>>741643793
>everyone agrees with that, who would object to this?
Not everyone agrees. In fact, there is a very aggressive push to remove gendered dialogue from games and anime translations. Things like being manly or ladylike are targeted as gendered dialogue and removed.

>>741628360
He's probably bi because he's horny as fuck for basically every single friend he has all the time.
he's honestly kind of a sexpest bi-slut but too awkward to actually be forward about it.

>>741644757
You're the reason why people like Yosuke keep calling you a fag.

>>741644346
Those who actually play these games can see it's the same NPC. You talk like a ginormous faggot btw

>>741643793
Actually progressives nowadays have very weird views on gender roles. On one hand, they consciously remove gendered language wherever possible, but also have to simulataneously be the strongest champions for traditional gender roles from time to time to defend their views on transgenders and gender in general.
Basically, men being not traditionally masculine is both good and bad at once, because it defuses gender roles but also means that feminine men don't automatically have to be "eggs".

>>741644387
I just rewatched it and he acts like a cackling bad guy taunting the IT but you're right that he doesn't specifically say "I'm the killer." Which I think is actually good evidence that when there's a lot of popular will about someone it imprints more on the "normal" repressed thought shadows that people without any public interest like Yosuke and Chie had.

>>741630606
>>741631639
>>741631903
How the fuck is Persona 4 still over the heads of people 18 years after it came out

Take fucking Naoto and Kanji and compare their Shadows to every single other Shadow in the game. Are Yosuke and Chie sociopathic? Are Yukiko and Rise airheaded bimbos? Is Namatame an innocent savior? Are Mitsuo and Teddie actually useless and incapable of anything?

The whole plot is a result of Izanami wanting to basically lull people into the Matrix and have total control over their desires and perceptions by breaking them down similarly to how a cult leader works. The Shadows are supposed to either break your spirit or just kill you so the only people left are servile husks full of shame.


I can't fucking believe the waifu game about fishing and mopeds is still intellectually above some people.

>>741644881
I'm surprised the closeted gay men find the time in their day to call me a fag, given that they're usually wasting away on grindr and all that.

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>>741644916
don't think so.

>>741629709
>>741636480

Actually, the game does overtly criticize misgonistic adult males
>The adult men at the police department refuse to take Naoto seriously because she is a woman and a teenager, which leads to her having to crossdress to be taken seriously
>the MAIN ANTAGONIST of the ENTIRE GAME is a LITERAL INCEL who goes on a KILLING SPREE because he cant get laid

I cant think of a game that is more overtly anti misogyny .

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>>741645139
>You're gay you actually wanna fuck me, you're so in the closet you're a little bi slut
You come across as those trannies calling everyone "eggs" who need to be cracked. Shut the fuck up you creep.
You are exactly the type of person P4 criticizes yet you're clearly a fan. That's called a lack of self-awareness.

Imagine if they restored the cut Yosuke romance and called it a day.

>>741645083
Yosuke and Chie's shadows were both repressed dark thoughts that they both realized that deep down they felt. It wasn't all of them, but it was some of them. Kanji's shadow was a prancing bathhouse orgy queer that didn't have the slightest hint about the real issues that surface about Kanji in his SL. The reason he was a prancing bathhouse orgy queer is because Atlus wanted a camp gay comedy dungeon. You just have to bend over backwards to make the shadow logic cover all the things the story ended up needing it to do.

Guys I'm starting to think Persona might be a badly written series.

>>741646061
You should probably think a little harder then.

>>741646061
Persona unironically is very well written when it comes to it's character arcs. The issue with persona writing is in it's group dynamics and SOL moments where the characters become 1 dimensional and just default to their base tropes.

>>741628360
no he is having a personality crisis like everyone else
he thinks sewing is girly so he hides it but it gets harder and harder to hide
he's not gay for liking Naoto because he constatly says he doesn't understand why he likes "this guy" it turns out his heart knew naoto was a girl the whole time.

>>741628003
conservatives asked for this. they will not stop until everything is babbyfied and nothing makes anyone uncomfortable anymore. fuck those censorous dipshits and capitalist supremacists

>>741646202
This is true. One of the worst things about P5 especially is that once you get enough party members, most of them become pretty fucking stupid.

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>>741646267
Nobody is falling for the left wing/right wing thing. We know both are controlled by the same people.

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>the alphabet army has decided Naoto is trans and Kanji is gay
>the game itself makes it explicitly clear this isn't the case for either
What gives with these people?

i don't think it matters how little atlus does because translators will still make Nanto trans and make Kanji gay or at least Bi

>>741646648
What made you think those people ever cared about actual reality?
The whole idea is denying their biology after all.

>>741645857
>repressed dark thoughts that they both realized that deep down they felt

No they were self-depreciating interpretations of feelings that a teenager couldn't articulate properly. Yosuke resented being moved to the small town and friendzoned, Chie was desperate to hold onto a friendship with Yukiko. When terrible things happened that helped with their anxieties, they started questioning if the fact they had a mixed reaction to something they felt they should have had a negative reaction towards meant they were a bad person.

That's the common thread with every single Shadow in P4 except for Adachi's, but that's because Adachi's Shadow is handcrafted by Izanami to be the one stuffing the Shadow World with souls for her to pull apart, being a twisted reflection of Izanagi that she can keep under her thumb in keeping with the two characters' relationship in the actual myth they're based on.

All other Shadows are the most extreme possible interpretation of the anxieties and malformed self-images of the people they manifest from have.


"Come on, let go of the remote
Don't you know you're letting all the junk flood in?
I try to stop the flow, double-clicking on the go
But it's no use, hey, I'm being consumed
Loading, loading, loading
Quickly reaching maximum capacity
Warning, warning, warning
Gonna short-circuit my identity (ah)"

"Truth is elusive, it's nowhere to be found
Yeah, the truth can never be written down
It's not in any magazine
You can't see it on your TV screen

Truth is evasive, though you might have the facts
Got it straight, you think, but then it all cracks wide open
You can search the world far and wide
The only truth that you can ever find

Is in another
A soul that's got the same burning need
To find out what's 'neath the cover-up
The one can't be without the true other
So let's get together, see what we can uncover"


Both versions of even the fucking intro song explicitly say to not trust the image on the TV

>>741628003
>18 years ago might as well be 19th century

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People won't like this, but it's the truth...
Kanji is the best bro in the entire franchise.

>>741646707
>translators
Update your script, lolcowlizer faggotry affects the original Japanese script now too.

>>741646323
Yeah I think P5's biggest issue is how fucking long it is so the writers clearly phone it in a lot of the time.

I don’t know how anyone can view naoto’s self realization that she can be a succesful, competent, feminine and womanly detective, but at the same time that means she’ll have to fight against an ingrained shogunistic culture and prove her worth as controversial

Isn't Naoto almost anti trans representation?

>>741647562
they'll change her line from "I will never changed from woman to a man" to "I don't yearn to become a man, but to be respected" or something.

>>741628089
Tourists are parasites and deserve no attention and immediate dismissal.
That includes you "I'm a zoomer playing P4 on an emulator trying to pretend I played it back in the PS2 era on a TV." faggots.

Ok but if you fuck your shadow is it gay or just masturbation?

>>741647723
>literally the only way to romance her is to have ChadYu say "I'm glad you're a girl."

No way they keep that

>>741642892
The Yosuke's joke about hands is localization fluff. In original script (JP script) he simply says that protagonist is probably handy. The remake probably is doing 1:1 translation, which would make it accurate to JP version.
>>741643203
You sound like one of retards who shits on games without trying them in first place and has neither personality nor any opinions of your own, therefore, you just regurgitate bullshit. Besides tranny removed and VAs being changed, you probably don't have any other copes.

>>741628003
but why is sewing gay? shit's like one of the most useful survival skills you could possibly learn

>>741645857
Fuck off, retard. All of the shadows are hyperbolic and scathing, it's done on purpose. The shadows are born from their repressed selves, but they very much have a mind of their own and portray themselves the way they do in an effort to shit on their hosts. They're bitter because they're rejected, and they only grow into "demons" that seek to be independent of their host after being formally rejected. Kanji's camp gay is just his shadow shitposting about him, Naoto's frankenstein tranny shadow is doing the same shitposting. Kanji THINKS he MIGHT be gay because he's more comfortable around guys (because the girls around him are cunts about his feminine hobbies, people love to leave that part out), and Naoto THINKS she would be better off as a guy. Both come to the conclusion that those extreme stances the shadows take were just an extreme lash-out that calms down once they accept and love the part of themselves the shadow grew from.

>>741628360
its the classic jap trope where he thinks he might be gay because an attractive tomboy presents herself as a man and gives him confusing thoughts

>>741645784
You have not actually played P4 if you didn't see Kanji being constantly fucking horny for every fucking party member regardless of gender

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>>741628003
Kanji is bisexual at minimum, Japs and localizers are just retarded for not being able to put into words the patently obvious. If he's straight, why does he get all nervous about seeing the boys in swimtrunks and why does he crush on Naoto when he think's she's a boy and try to meet for what he thinks is a secret gay liaison?

Consider: Just because she turns out to be a girl doesn't make it not gay. It's the reverse of trying to hook up with what you think is a cute girl but turns out to be a tranny. You wouldn't be gay in that instance, just an oblivious retard who got tricked. This is obvious to anyone who's brain doesn't run on a variant of "are traps gay" Discord tranny discourse. Being gay has exactly ONE (1) requirement, and that requirement is wanting to fuck your own gender, which Kanji does. He is categorically gay or bisexual.

The reason I'd say bisexual is more likely than fully gay is because Yosuke was supposed to be the gay and that storyline was axed for being too edgy. After making fun of Kanji the whole game, the social link was supposed to end with Yosuke admitting he's gay for Yu in a contrived and predictable "the homophobe is actually BIG gay all along" conclusion.

Anything else is just a smokescreen. Japs think hypermasculinity is actually more gay than being a girly pretty boy, so what sense does it make that someone insecure about being gay would cover up their feminine gayness by doing something even gayer? Imagine the western equivalent: why would someone trying to cover up their gayness be a queer metrosexual in guyliner? Surely they'd hit the gym and grow a beard instead. It makes no sense unless what you're worried about isn't having people thinking you're gay because you're effeminate, it's having people think you're effeminate because you're gay. In other words, Kanji is more worried about being a bottom than being gay.

Also, Naoto isn't really a tranny because nobody is really a tranny; it's just a delusion.

>>741628003
This is 100% about Teddie's localization. They're gonna make him more of a kid that repeats stuff instead of a pervert like Yosuke

>>741648006
Gay unless the Anima is blending together.
Then it becomes AGP instead.
t. knower

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>>741645784
You etards falling for this gay bait every time make never gets old. Why are you guys so inclined to make me laugh so much?

>>741648721
Tranny

>changing controversial story decisions
Finally! I get to go to the Music AND Drama Clubs! I won't have to pick!

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Ok, but how the fuck does these 2 EN trailers alone have 6.8M views?

>I totally know better than the Japanese team that created the game
>the japs are too stupid to understand their own franchises
Where did this extreme euroshitter/Americalard gaijin audience of bunblefuck retards emerge from

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>>741648843
>n-no you
You're not a woman and never will be.

>>741628003
DEI has long arms niggas.

>>741648837
It is your moral responsibility to get angry at stupidity.

>>741649063
>Kanji is bi
Only a tranny would say this. That's not a no u you're just clearly a tranny. Naoto isn't trans, Kanji isn't gay or bi, anyone who thinks otherwise is mentally ill and projecting. Meaning you.

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>>741648918
here.

>>741648721
>Japs and localizers are just retarded for not being able to put into words the patently obvious
I got the point just fine, don't blame other people for your retardation. Kanji thought he might be gay in part because he was interested in someone he thought was a guy, that's obvious. Of course he still gets pissy when people like Yosuke press him about being a homo (mostly because Yosuke is an annoying faggot), but he's generally pretty calm about things and isn't really bent out of shape about being attracted to Naoto while still under the full assumption that she's a guy. He comes tot the conclusion that his sexuality is secondary to the real issue that is what it really means to be a man.

>>741646061
Reminder that you never realized that Dojima and his wife Chisato are ALSO the Izanagi and Izanami myth

>>741649531
Dojima should have been the main character to inherit Izanagi.

>>741628089
>right winger
you mean normal people not maga hats, faggot

>>741648296
I played the original like everyone should, censored deamkes are for retarded trannies like (you), not sorry that makes you upset.

>>741628003
So Rise shadow is gonna be in burka. Good to know this game is doa

>>741648721
You're projecting because you're a homo. Kanji flat out says he isn't gay in the game, and he's attracted to Naoto because she's a biological female with biological female pheromones

>>741649604
I beg your finest pardon? What? How the fuck so?

>>741628365
Tbh, the treatment of her in that beauty contest was jus evil and made me feel bad.

>>741649531
Reminder reminder that the reason Nanako is taking piano lessons in the Golden epilogue and they retcon that Chisato played the piano is that the final final dungeon in the Japanese afterlife has a solemn solo piano theme implying Chisato is there.

>>741649851
>Lost his wife.
>Will venture into hell (TV world) to find her, but turn back seeing she's long gone, a corpse.
Would be thematically excellent. Would also be funny with the MC being an adult surrounded by goofy teenagers.

>>741649937
The thing with Dojima is that he's living out the actual proper myth including that he failed and that he needs to purify himself and focus on the living. Yu is living the fanfic version where he never fails Izanami in the first place.

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>no Troy Baker or Yuri Lowenthal

>>741650040
>Yu is living the fanfic version where he never fails Izanami in the first place.
He straight up destroys Izanami after seeing her true form.

>>741650071
>no troy OR mercer
day 1 buy

>they cut the "Kanji, no question" line
I would riot

>>741650071
They're both too big now and just do AAA shit, pretty sure Troy Baker explicitly declined coming back for Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition, but when news got out he did this weird damage control of "noooo I love the role I wanted to come back hahaha" which rubbed me the wrong way, you can just say you passed on it dude

>>741628003
The cross-dressing pageant has probably been cut. I hope they remove that female tranny party member who wants to be a boy as well, she sickens me a lot.

>>741650405
Troy Baker IS Kanji. It was the role that made him the vidya VA star he is today. He made Kanji who he is. Cope

>>741650071
>no Laura Bailey

>>741650204
In Golden Marie is the part of Izanami telling him not to look at her, and Yu just says shut up bitch and saves her anyway.

>>741650204
>He straight up destroys Izanami after seeing her true form
That's not the point. He saw her clearly for what she is without looking away. He didn't run in fear like the Izanagi of myth did. Her dissolving after getting smacked with The World arcana just a metaphor for truth prevailing over ignorance.

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>>741649141
>>741649446
>>741649779
Trannies and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race. It's like the 50% of humanity below the baseline 100 IQ aren't able to follow basic transitive logic, so they all go completely insane when you introduce trannies to the equation because they can't work out what their own sexuality is any more. The troon logic is out of control. What really boils my piss is when you brain broken retards claim to be anti-troonshit but you deploy the exact same arguments they do, coming to the same faggotronic nonsense conclusions.

Here's a conundrum for you, nigger brains: if you tried to fuck Buck Angel without knowing it's actually a woman beforehand, would the attempt alone make you gay? Anyone who can breathe unassisted should conclude OBVIOUSLY SO. I know people lose their minds when it's a male-to-female tranny and make all kinds of post hoc rationalization for why chasing trannies is actually 'straight' or why being tricked by a convincing one is actually 'gay', but I know for a fact that nobody is confused when it comes to wanting to fuck Buck Angel. It's gay, wanting to fuck men or anything that looks like a boy or man is gay, Kanji is gay, and (You) are gay.

>>741650530
nigger persona 4 was not that big back then big for atlus sure but it didnt catapult his career
he was one of the big anime voice actors for years before then and he did plenty of big games before p4 as well

>>741650923
Didn't read.

>>741651017
let me summarize
>(You) are gay

>>741651083
I know you're gay that's why you project onto Kanji despite the game blatantly telling you what Kanji's actual issue is. Of course you being a retard who has literally never played Persona 4 would have no idea about that.

>>741650923
I literally said that Kanji was working under the assumption that Naoto was a guy and that he's coming to the acceptance that he might be gay. Why are you having a schizophrenic meltdown?

>>741650503
cross dressing is 100% in so they can sell it as a DLC costume pack

>>741647094
That's a funny way of spelling Ryuji

>>741628003
Not!Censorship-bros? Where are we at?

>>741628003
Here's hoping that means they make it even more clear that Kanji is NOT gay and Naoto is NOT trans.

>>741650636
>wanting to hear Invisigal voice

>>741641226
Holy coping retard

>>741643232
bent key is a right wing streaming service that recently got raped

>>741628360
The biggest homo ever
there is a scene where he shoves teddies entire furscot uniform in is ass and screams " I WANT TO BE PANTIED AND SISSYIED GIVE ME PROSTATE GASMS"

You perceive yourself.
Other people perceive you.
You perceive how other people perceive you.
It's that third layer that's most important to Persona, and Persona 4 especially is trying to beat you over the head with how important it is while deliberately playing with it by adding a fourth layer of magical bullshit.
When you understand that basic model, you'll understand Persona.

>>741651782
>some shit you never heard of
>my side totally pwned it, btw you should identify with it

>>741628139
>LGBTQ community
You can just call them "persona fans".

>>741652341
Nobody else was thinking what Yosuke's and Chie's shadows were saying

>>741645857
>that didn't have the slightest hint about the real issues that surface about Kanji in his SL
bruh the shadow gives a whole monologue before the battle about how he hates women for making fun of him aobut his sewing and thats the entire reason he prefers men supposedly because of the emotional abuse
it directly ties into his sl of learning how to be proud of his crafts
if you ignore the sewing, you are essentially saying emotional abuse is what turns people gay but accepting the trauma they receive...

>>741652341
Persona 4 very consistently is about societal expectations and stereotyping and yet retards still manage to miss the point of these character's arcs.

>>741650923
>Trannies and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Trump came out as trans? Based.

>>741631343
When Naoto disguised herself as a man it made Kanji attracted to her. It implies that he's into femboys.
That's not a straight trait btw no matter what way you spin it. 100% a bisexual one.

>>741652505
>yet retards still manage to miss the point of these character's arcs
You see this with the "nothing has changed about these characters" criticisms that fly around. Most Persona fans just don't have the literacy requirements to understand the relatively basic shit that's being said.
>character stifled by societal expectation and/or stereotype
>seeks to buck it completely
>realize that's not necessary or even fully wanted, decide to find a temperate middle ground that works with society while still allowing room to incorporate changes
Western "criticisms" of the game are mostly from those assholes not understanding that P4 is a very Japanese game. But even then, the knowledge required to understand what's being said is pretty cursory.

>>741652372
>moving goal posts
you asked for conservacuck media and i gave it to you bud. not my fault it sucks.

>>741652961
naoto just didnt pass as a man he could tell shes a woman with fluffy hair girl face girl voice girl hips and a huge rack

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>>741641578
>"Ah, so my dick was right all this time and I'm straight as an arrow, and also tomboy lover"
This trope gets me hard as diamonds when it happens.

>>741653110
>whenever it happens
How often does this trope even happen? Only P4 has it

>>741652961
Its easy to tell naoto is a woman even if you're retarded. She's fucking 5 ft tall.

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>>741628003
This is made up, isn't it? I can't find this article anywhere. 300 posts for Impact Font on a black background

>>741652961
>Kanji attracted to her
Kanji just didn't understand why someone was talking to him in the first place because he never had friends
I dont think it suspposed to be read as his sexuality as much as a baby duck imprinting on the first thing coming near it

>>741653220
they changed some of the design of kanji's boss

>>741653168
Plenty of anime have it.
>give me 20 examples
No, won't spoonfed anyone here given the situation in this thread. Bunch of faggot tourists.

>>741653168
Mulan, that one Amanda Bynes movie, LinkxSheik fanfics

>>741653168
It's in like three Shakespeare plays you neanderthal.

>>741650071
>>741650530
Literally who you dumb catposter

>>741653168
that one episode in futurama

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>>741643793
Trannies and other faggots have made an identity that requires everyone else conform to fit their worldview, not just normal people, but also other trannies. If you're an "egg" who hasn't been "cracked" you're as much of an enemy as the trans'phobe' who wants to end child gender surgeries. Because you are not part of the 'resistance'.

Why do you think they care about the 'egg cracking' thing so much? Their ideology only works if they turn men who aren't masculine enough into closeted homosexuals. They have the ideology of the villains in Persona 4, of course the game would offend them. Their entire ideology is just this picture.

>>741651013
Kanji and Yuri Lowell were really his breakout performances, both in 08. Like, yeah, he was abel nightroad in the dub of trinity blood, but no one was watching dubs in 06. I distinctly remember people joking that namco decided to have Yuri Lowell be voiced by him because they felt that casting Yuri Lowenthall was too on the nose.

>>741628003
no source, but classic Kanji flamebait, gotta love it

mandatory: he's straight, and if you think he's gay or bi, you either haven't played the game or are an idiot, possibly both. Or you name is Carolyn.

>>741632018
I'l immediately buy the remake if that's the case :)

>>741653583
isn't it hilarious how trannies all overuse 'y's in their name? even when naming themselves, they can't escape their Y chromosome.

>>741632018
>>741649906
Beauty contest was mean but picture if this was the hook for a new S link with her lmao

>>741653583
kanjis boss got a few design changes that may or may not mean a whole lot

>>741653548
nigger p4 sold like 300k it did not inflate his career whatsoever he was still getting bit parts in vidya until around 2011 when he started becoming the generic protagonist voice for ps3 games and then he did joel and it was all over for him ever being in anime again

>>741653694
lmao yeah kinda. honestly "Carolyn" is still really low on the transname spectrum, usually it's like "Lythalgia" or some shit like they're in a JRPG

>>741653831
I was hoping changing one of the male symbols into a female symbol was just a shoop/sloop

>>741653831
>>741628003
Going back to the OP, I think they're going to have to, as to not offend the 40% of faggot zoomers, change Kanji's dungeon and boss fight to make being gay not seem like a negative connotation, and that is what they really mean by changing things.

More zoomers now identify as faggots to fit in with modern media which praises it. So they will have to change Kanji's fears of being gay with the fear of the negative stigma that comes with being gay. Because even putting to words the fact that being gay could be seen as unpopular or weird can't be allowed in modern media. Visa and Mastercard would cancel their family's credit lines.

>>741653831
>>741653915
Reminder that OP is just ragebait with no source, but
it doesn't have to mean much, imo it may even fit better thematically, because he struggles with masculinity and his true self which gets shit on for being sensitive and his hobbies like sewing and doll-making, both being "girly", so it makes sense to have the female symbol in there too in that context
don't get convinced by the wave of retards trying to spin this into "claiming" Kanji as they love to do