Ignore the mouse grip. Are you supposed to actually use your whole arm when moving your mouse, instead of just the wrist (bottom)I've been doing the bottom my entire life but every player I watch in FPS games does the top. How the fuck do I unlearn this.
move your whole arm, it's better for you
>>741628489just wrist, but frankly when I used to shoot game on pc I used a trackball mouse because its awesome and more accurate. (the ones with the ball on top, "for disabled" but its not really) that way you don't run out of movement ever because you're not moving an object around just the ball in a stationary spotoh and I will never use a ball on bottom mouse ever again they suck a bag of dicks and get gunked up with shit after a week tops always, laser only.
>>741628489look at what pros dothey all use whole arm movements with glass mousepadsalso they all use either optical or pre-tensioned mouse clicks, that alone is like 20-40ms reduction btw
>wirelesskek enjoy your input latency
>>741628489set the DPI high enough and use your fingers?
>>741628489Turn your sensitivity down you idiot
>>741628489I use my fingers when moving the mouse.
>>741628934not a thing retardgod you boomers are so fucking stupid
>>741628489Just your fingers. Modern mice are sensitive enough.
>>741629535>>741629046>>741629612you are aiming wrong
>>741629046>>741629535>>741629612this is the way. you're supposed to use the mouse like a pen. aiming with your arm is unhealthy and low skill.
>>741628489Yes you dumb fuck.
>>741628489Your wrist is not good at twisting and its bad for it over time. Meanwhile your elbow is purpose built for that movement.
I think people worry about this stuff too much, like what is optimal with how they hold it or what sensitivity. After a certain point you adapt to anything if you do it long enough, my brother held his mouse like a mental defective with high sensitivity and would play counter strike at some weird 5:4 resolution with it centered in his screen so it was surrounded by black it was retarded but he was do much better than me
>>741628489I do it same as youI guess you can unlearn it by buying some glass skates for your mouse and a bigger mousepad and lower the sensitivity of your mouse so that wrist movements don't move the cursor enough and you're forced to move the whole arm
>>741628934That's only if you use Bluetooth specifically.
>>741628489For me, my arm and wrist are static, The only thing that moves the mouse are my thumb and pinky, rest of hand is totally relaxed.
>>741628489I don't even move my hand, I just move my fingers like the mouse is inside a cage or something
>>741628489I'm at such a ridiculous sense I pretty much only have to move my fingers
>>741628489it's all in the wrist, just like when touching a woman
>>741628489If you are actually trying to become a high level FPS player, yes arm movement is bestYou can relearn by just putting in a lot of time and effort, same as the way you learnt the wrong wayThe smart move is to just not care and play how you find easiest and most comfortable
>>741628489it works like this>high dpi>arm lower than desk>small wrist movementor>low dpi>whole arm on desk>big movementpeople argue 2nd is better for fps, and it definitely was in the past, but its debatable now
>>741628489>arm or wrist?Neither.Fingers only.
I don't use my arm. I don't use my wrist. I use my fingers. I use a mouse with very high DPI and manipulate the mouse with my fingers without moving my wrist. The bottom of my palm sits on a pad for comfort. My thumb and pinky control the majority of movement, and it's about one inch of horizontal movement to cross the screen. People always wonder how I'm so precise like this, but I've been doing it for decades.
If you want me to use my whole arm, you'd need to buy me an arm rest thingie. I'm not gonna sit all day with arms suspended in air
>>741628489moving your whole arm is gay - high sensitivity, small, accurate movements is the way.
>>741628730this, the body is not built to sit stilloptimum gaming position for health is doing flippies
>>741628489Wrist for precise aiming, arm for camera movement, obviously.
*blocks your path*
>>741628489Both retard-kun. you cant twist in a 180 degree turn and you cant arm aim micro adjustments. friendly reminder to do wrist stretches and you'll never get wrist pain.
>>741629582>physics isn't a thingzoomer watching too much spiderverse
>>741640758>you cant twist in a 180 degree turnYou can though? If I pivot my wrist from as far left as it will go to as far right that's 360. I can do easily do 180 with a pivot that's broad but still well within comfortable range of motion. Arm aiming is for gay incel snipelords who practice on aim labs for 4 hours per day. If you have so little to offer the world that playing with digital toys becomes your main expression of talent and skill then something has gone seriously wrong for you.
>>741628586I still can't get over the fact the wrist has like 9 bones
>>741641216if you can do a 360 with a single wrist swipe, you physically cannot do micro adjustments.>I suck and if you're better than me you're worthless!cool story bro.
Micro vs macro motion. Anyone who has used a microscope will know the difference between fine and broad motion. Twist/arm is for larger motion, wrist is for fine. Being able to use them both makes you invincible.
>>741641221I still cant get over the fact the forearm has 20 muscles
>>741641216>incelWhy are you here?
If you're an "arm aimer" tranny you have to go back.
>>741641432Depends what you mean by micro adjustments. I can move the mouse very tiny amounts by my fingers, that's what fingers are for, and I don't have any issues moving it precisely, clicking on things, tracking moving objects or hitting small targets. If you are talking about flicking 180 onto a distant enemy locking directly onto their head occupying about 12 pixels type shit, then I don't care about that.
>>741644879You seem to be under the impression I was asking you for your retarded ass thoughts. If you can do a 360 with a wrist swipe, you physically can not do micro adjustments.>I don't care that I'm shit!Cool. I'm happy for you. I don't care that you're shit either.
>>741645084I accept your concession aimlab tranny. The tranny cheater got banned from battlefield btw.
>>741628489both
>>741628489FPS players do that to minimize movement so they can aim faster while fucking their wrist in the process.
>>741628489You use both. First you need a good posture in front of your desk with your elbow almost on it.You use arm movements to pan the camera to get 99% there and then use your wrist for micro correcting your aim.
>>741645932a good posture is a varied posturedon't believe the feminine ergonomics "science"
>>741645084>If you can do a 360 with a wrist swipe, you physically can not do micro adjustments.You literally can though. One wrist sweep is about 12cm, that's about 30 degrees per cm, or about 300 micrometers per degree. That is trivial for a healthy human hand and nervous system to operate at that degree of accuracy when using fine precision grips with the fingers, when pressed against a resistant surface especially.
>>741646918Notice how this thread is about aiming in -> FPS games <-. Where are the people known for good micro adjustment aim who are using 12cm/360 or an even faster sensitivity, on any FPS game? Can you provide an example of one (1) player who does this? The two players with the highest sensitivites known for good aim I can think of are Pine from Overwatch with 18cm/360 and Toxjq from Quake with 21cm. But 12cm and below?
>>741647482I accept your concession retard-kun.
>>741647482Where did OP mention wanting to become a top-ranking tournament player? It was a general question regarding mouse usage, in games in general (FPS games used as an example), and we're having a general discussion about it. I'll take your word for it regarding those people, I don't know or care who any of them are and you know more about it than me. I'm just missing the part where anybody asked. If you want to pivot into e-sports then that's alright but you are not justified in taking that topic on assumption.
>>741649664OP is asking what the correct way to aim is with a mouse. It has been explained multiple times in different ways why it is both healthier and more efficient to incorporate arm movements into your aim for all fps games. Therefore when people who don't know and don't care in the first place come in to say that only using wrist and fingers is fine, or god forbid, superior, what they're spouting is misinformation no matter which level of "fps gaming" it is applied to. And outside of fps, if we take a look at non-fps mousing, it is very well known that moba & rts players, particularly koreans and chinks who use a very high cursor speed (basically same as DPI, your desktop 2d mouse movement) are the ones most commonly retiring from permanent wrist damage, of course since it is the most unhealthy form of mousing.
>>741641020Interesting take you've got there
>>741628489When I got into competitive shooters I retrained how I aimed, because I used to be a pure wrist aimer. I got a huge mouse pad, and what I do now is turn sensitivity way down, then use arm movement for large motions (turning around corners, 180 degrees, aiming roughly where someone is, etc.) and wrist aiming for fine aiming.
>>741629650You're writing wrong
>>741651921Embarrassing. Leave /v/.
>>741653916I'm not going anywhere, gay boy.
>>741628489I use both
