https://files.catbox.moe/8rdfi0.jpg
>>741629956all of those still exist
>>741629956Nigga shut up you don't even play videogames.
>>741629956obsidian made those? daym
>>741630045It would be nice if something like those existed beyond the 2020s in the West though. Something new, you know.
>>741630045The Skull Girls stuff (bottom of the image ) was patched out of the game, so it literally does not exist anymore.
>>741629956This is extremely harmful to irl women. Because it's just is, okay?
>>741629956Mention Dungeon Siege 3, but not even mention Anjali?
>>741629956Out of all of these I only like Cortana.
We're getting it back little by little, from the indie devs who dare venture forth (this was from this year, last month even)
Guh
>>741629956Play the new 007
>>741632527I'm not into zoomer twinks though
>>741631538Depot downloader exists, so yes it still exists
the hitman nuns were retarded and existed solely to be trailer materialyou just shoot all of them in the face afterwards
>>741632704>the hitman nuns were retarded and existed solely to be trailer materialThey fit perfectly into the Hitman universe.
Game companies badly need to figure out that the ratio between Male and Female who play video games is like 8:2 at the highest equivalent in their favor. They ARE NOT the target audience nor are they the predominant demographic who play products, they just watch them on their phones at best.
>>741629956Funny how most of these are ugly women and most of the ones that aren't ugly are boring.
>>741632797funny how you're a faggot and your opinion is complete shit
>>741632630Having to jump through hoops to download and archived copy of a multi-player game is not the same thing and you know it
>>741632778>Game companies badly need to figure out that the ratio between Male and Female who play video games is like 8:2 at the highest equivalent in their favorhttps://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/TheAmericanFreshman2013-Expanded.pdfhttps://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/TheAmericanFreshman2014-Expanded.pdfhttps://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/TheAmericanFreshman2015-Expanded.pdfWhat they really need to figure out is what video games Male and Female players play (playing Solitaire or phone games isn't the same as console games), and more importantly for how long, and how much money they spend on them. Back until like 2015 there were representative studies asking all U.S. college students if they played games and how long a week, then splitting the results between male and female. For some reason the question was dropped after, compare with the numbers the ESA (Video game lobbying body) put out in the same time.
>>741633152The Esa stuff is probably made uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vqGHhnSpOg
>>741629956At least half of these would be in the woke manjaw compilations if they came out today
>>741633465You do know there are plenty of false flaggers as well
>>741629956Sexy video game girls still exist. You just have to shell out money for skins and gachas. They know your balls are stronger than your brain and they use it to nickel and dime you. It's a sad state of affairs, but it's par for the course. if it didn't work they wouldn't do it. Be a good goy won't you and shell out 30 dollars for pulls.
>>741634267Nah, I can just play indie slop
>>741634267>You just have to shell out money for skins and gachasNo.
>>741634346Like it's that or modding. Those are the two places that horny and passionate still intersect. AAA considers it a risk leaving the space to rent seeking opportunists looking for whales to take over. Gaming is no longer a niche and with that comes scrutiny that leaves big companies risk adverse. It isn't just sexy women either. There's a reason most gameplay innovation happens in the indie space.
>>741629956>Diana AllersRight, we need more retarded nepo cunts in games
>>741635397Not an endorsement, a cynical assessment.
>>741629956What do you mean took? I play some of those games all the time.
>>741634267>gachaRope yourself.
>>741634267gacha isn't video games its gambling>>741629956be the change you want to see in the world, install free development software like unity godot or unreal, and blender, right fucking now
>>741635826I don't know if you've noticed but everything is gambling now. You can bet on the weather tomorrow on "prediction markets". They have learned that you do not even need to provide real value to extract capital simply the idea and implication that return is possible and a rush of endorphins.
>>741636126>I don't know if you've noticed but everything is gambling now.If you're a nigger, sure.
>>741636126>theydon't carecall me a consumer one more time today see what happens.
>>741635703Reading comprehension really is in a crisis, isn't it. The post was dripping with cynicism and dejected sarcasm. I don't think gachas are worth your time either. But it's the word we live in due to the fact that it works and they profit off of it.>>741636180If it wasn't economically enticing it wouldn't be the new gold rush. It has been a race to the bottom to see who can provide the least value for your dollar and still get away with it. The chance to provide you no value for your dollar whatsoever while still hitting you with addictive endorphins is the holy grail for capitalism.
>>741636360If you're not a consumer you are irrelevant to the market.
People tend to forget, or aren't old enough to remember that outside of a very few exceptions in the pc space it was entirely unheard of for a game to have any real nudity of any kind for fear of a Jack Thompson-esque moral crusade. Like 0 nip under any circumstances period. It wasn't until culture allowed more raunchy content in the mainstream e.g. Game of thrones, that gaming followed suit and "freed the nip" as it were. The witcher series having full unobscured nudity was like a revelation at the time. Sexy women may have been allowed but never frank nudity.
>>741636641>But it's the word we live in due to the fact that it works and they profit off of it.Nah. I don't live in that world and I don't see why I'd have to.
>>741637746And games were better off for it. Now the porn addicts have invaded and are promoting chinkslop.
>>741638251Ok then like sit there and complain. Facts don't care about your feelings. Market trends are what they are because of very real economic forces. Burying your head in the sand and being obtuse isn't going to make AAA's put sexy women back in and isn't going to make the whale hunters stop hunting whales. Play indie or mod in your own sexy skins. It's what we've got. Eventually the pendulum may swing back but that is more or less outside of individual control. Stellar blade exists and did well financially so it's not inconceivable that there may be market pressures which lead to more content like that but western companies especially are risk adverse to extreme degrees and slow to change.
>>741638318I mean a middle ground would be nice but yes the porn addicts being whales for gacha slop is the main driving force for that being the main space in which such content exists.
>>741629956So many slop games.
They didn't take shit.
>>741638318>Beatiful women existing = Porn
>>741639128There was a huge industrywide political push to make games more "inclusive" by not sexualizing women among other things
>>741639245yeah and I had a huge push to not buy anything from them
>>741638983I did kind of laugh at sleeping dogs being there. I felt it was like a milder gta. There was a optional romance subquest but an overall lack of suggestive content. overall It felt like they went out of their way to de-tooth it.
>>741638318why are they promoting chinkslop? is it because there's no attractive women in non-chinkslop?
>>741639391it seemed to be more about manly brutal triad shit rather than fucking whores and doing drugs. I could be wrong it's been 10 years
>>741633465I noted this in a recent baldurs gate thread. 1&2 are beloved classics but look at the portraits and these would be yelled about being woke today.
>>741639536I mean yeah, but the most erotic thing in the damn game is a jogging scene with said optional romantic subplot so I mean..Pertaining to the topic it's out of place. And don't triads traffic in drugs and whores? You would think that would translate. Anyway the most memorable part of that game was the pork bun guy.
>>741629956Never forget
>>7416400108 think the sex/violence disconnect between america specifically and a lot of the rest of the world is funny. What if I want both?
>>741638983Because the opinion of "garming churnalists" on video games totally matters a lot. I'm sure nobody could appreciate or have fun with a game they gave a 60-something or 40-something. Gone Homo, Mixtape, Veilguard, Alan Wake 2, Hellblade II, Banishers, Star Wars Outlaws, Marathon and what they're all called are obviously superior games, not to mention that Inquisition and Last of Us II were "Game of the Year" material. They would also never lower a game's score in the first place for not being ideologically pure enough, or snub it for not being part of their circlejerk. Never happened before.
>>741632704They made for a great trailer and their mission deserved to be more action packed.
>>741638815>Ok then like sit there and complainYeah I will.I'm a consumer dude, I don't give a fuck about "market forces", I buy games that are good. If no more good games ever come out there are still way more than I could experience in one lifetime. I'm never lowering my standards and buying slop to "save the industry" or whatever, I literally have no incentive to care.
>>741639163That's what the state of games is becoming, yeah. I ignore any games with hot chicks in the marketing because I know it's going to be some gacha chinkslop for degen porn addicts.
>>741642061The market forces are what drive production. What makes them the most money with the lowest risk is what is made. From a consumer point of view it seems irrelevant yes but it is the cause of the described symptom. Never said you or anyone needed to "save" the industry. I am more or less ambivalent to it myself. The things that exist will continue to exist. I was under the assumption that we were talking about production going forward.
>>741642862Market forces drive production in so far as the market is free. The video game market in the US is not free. What drives production (and its lack), increasingly over time, is the force of the state.
>>741643586Really? What governmental regulations have been placed on videogames since the image in OP that have caused the lack of attractive women in videogames and stifled the free market? Companies electing to mitigate risk by appealing to cultural critique and eliminating perceived risky designs is classic reacting to market forces.
Genuinely why did this happen? Literally zero western companies have any balls anymore to just throw a sexy scantily clad woman into ANY game? It's insane.
>>741644063The risk comes from a system of law that contradicts property rights (and logic) and is enforced by the state.
>>741635670For a minor side character that I can off to? Sure, I dont mind.
>>741642213>I ignore any games with hot chicks in the marketingMost normal people thankfully ignore ugly Hagslop, which is why shit like Forspoken, Suicide Squad, Concord, Redfall, Dustborn, Unknown 9, South of Midnight, Hellblade, Aphelion, Directive 8020 increasingly flops, and these studios are either outright getting shut down, dealing with large layoffs or liquidity issues, while your "Chinkslop" makes millions of Sales and finds itself at the top of Steam charts.It's a biological imperative for men to like looking at attractive women and breasts, similar to food or sleep and nothing ideologues can do will change that. I don't know why they think they can convince men to pay for the privilege of looking at wrinkled-up post-menopausal grandmas for dozens of hours. Must be the same logic trap that got them to kill sparrows in China.
>>741644205AAA is extremely risk adverse. American cultural critique of the medium coinciding with the mainstreaming of video games led to the elimination of risky designs. They also want to grow their market infinitely just like every other industry. This leads to the toning down of any risky content so as to appeal to the largest possible base. Risk is the small dev's bread and butter. This is why we see them make bolder decisions and drive innovation. Gacha slop doesn't care about appearances, they are busy hunting whales and mass appeal was never the point so long as your small base of whales spend disproportionately.
>>741644205https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8ckDqlk3U
>>741644205>Literally zero western companies have any balls anymore to just throw a sexy scantily clad woman into ANY game?I like that you assume they're just afraid and not ideologically opposed to it.
>>741644395The risk is that they will launch a product which will not sell and damage brand reputation. Not that the state will sue them out of existence or forcibly shutter them. And as for property rights, on the production side they are extremely favorable, too favorable if I'm being honest. On the consumer side lack of ownership of one's purchase and the property rights that come with that are created by a lack of action by the state not by any overbearing state. Activision is free to make goonerslop mega sex party 9000 tomorrow, they won't because it will harm their brand reputation and will continue to make the same thing they have made 1000 times before because that's what pays. Not because there is some overarching government plot to stifle your sexuality and encroach on the free market. There is not a damn thing you or me can do about it. Normies will buy cod 16 with 67 emotes and brain rot skins either way.
>>741644205The risk anon is talking about is when some cunt on twitter says "were there no women in the room when they designed her", and then some other cunt makes a civil rights lawsuit against the developer for illegal hiring practices, then the developer can't prove that they aren't discriminating (because you can't prove a negative), and then the plaintiff gets to tell the developer to hire their activists, then the activists remove the sexy girls from the video games as a virtue signal which signals to the conspirators on twitter that that business is captured, and then the business won't get any more lawsuits as long as they keep putting out propaganda.The evidence for the risk being artificially raised is that more risky (not AAA, which literally means the safest investment vehicle classification) productions have completely died out in the US where the law is in effect. Safety doesn't mean higher profit margins, it means a more predictable return. Riskier projects may have higher returns, but they are only viable outside of the US and on financially fortified platforms.>>741645712The risk is a malicious lawsuit you fucking nigger. You are entirely too retarded to understand why self-ownership extrapolates into freedom of association.
>>741645489It's banks. That's what Ford meant. They say you ain't worth and your company dies. State can always send tax audits and drag operations indefinitely. Cash flow will dry out and you are dead or worse competition buys you. They are blackmailed and comply happily.
>>741644914>while your "Chinkslop" makes millions of Sales and finds itself at the top of Steam charts.I literally do not care what chinks and normoids consume. I care about good video games, simple as.
>>741646248>The risk anon is talking about is when some cunt on twitter says "were there no women in the room when they designed her"Why would that be a risk? Is she the intended customer? There were plenty of church ladies and other Ne'er-do-well's from the 60s onwards that were always yelling about things, whether that was rock music, roleplaying, violent movies or video games.You know what their producers did? They ignored them and doubled down, and sold more and more product, some of it even out of spite, and there were famous artists that spoke out against it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxcSimilarly this is still how games were marketed a decade ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKkPFDEiC6QWhat exactly do you think has changed since? Even small fines would still be preferable to having to close down entire studios because their sanitized/sterilized "mass appeal" games didn't sell shit.
>>741646248You don't have to prove a negative in a court of law. Plaintiffs in such cases must provide proof of discrimination. And which law? Civil rights and anti discrimination laws? Those existed when the games in op were made. And so did social pressure on distribution. Walmart wouldn't carry games with nudity or were found offensive to their branding. Nobody would touch AO games. The entire ESRB exists because of a moral panic. This isn't new. Acting like any of this is government funded or operated is peak conspiracy brain slop. Every link in the chain is looking to mitigate risk and none of it is caused by overzealous government. It's caused by cultural forces exerting themselves on cultural output and companies responding by taking the road of least resistance, always has been.
>>741646797The financial institutions are likewise hampered by US state law, as the supreme court ruled that they are liable for crimes that they have facilitated transactions in connection of. It is fucking ludicrous to suggest that property transfers can be illegal.>>741647464Gamergate is what happened. The leftoids were having their march through the institutions without anyone noticing, until gamergate kicked off. That is the point where they put this legal loophole into use to fortify their positions.The OP image conveniently includes release years. The shift to risk management began during gamergate.
>>741644896Censorshop is shit but making those sparkling boobas the eyes is funny. Fuck them still, but I laughed.
>>741633152>>741633327Reminder that they always count phonefaggotry as gaming.
>>741648368>censorshopwhat the fuck, sudden onset retardation hits NOW?
>>741648272>suggest that property transfers can be illegalLiterally clowns world. It's true that the banks are bound by law, but goverment and banks or financial institutions are obviously partners in crime.>>741648656Potionshop, photoshop and censorshop.
>>741648272>The shift to risk management began during gamergate.What "legal loopholes" exactly are you talking about?Besides, the argument doesn't make sense.Risk a) Piss off some harridans on BlueSky, get a bunch of negative articles written about your product, but go on to sell well because you provided a product that your target audience actually wants. Your company makes a lot of money, might maybe have some legal troubles or settlements?Risk b) Hire activists, produce Slop that nobody wants, don't make any money, possibly destroy the IP, have to close down your studio:https://www.linkedin.com/posts/volition_an-update-from-volition-activity-7103051392797351936-hkgThttps://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/2023/html/20230228_announcement_EN.htmlhttps://x.com/ArkaneStudios/status/1787837804287860886https://www.eurogamer.net/immortals-of-aveum-developer-furloughs-majority-of-staff-reporthttps://sonyinteractive.com/en/news/blog/an-update-from-playstation-studios/https://www.techspot.com/news/112778-xbox-closing-ninja-theory-double-fine-compulsion-may.htmlOr at least have Major Layoffs.Gee, as a businessperson I really don't know what would be preferable, company closure, or maybe some potential legal troubles or paying a few fines/settlements while making loads-a-money.Besides, hiring activists doesn't really mitigate the lawsuit/complaint risk at all, it's like hiring a broken fire alarm that constantly goes off and annoys everyone. All the studios that get the most "sexual harassment" complaints or lawsuits, are the ones that hired the Activists that are prone to make those in the first place (e.g. UbiSoft, Activision, Blizzard etc.)
>>741647645When you take paragraphs k and j of the section 703 of title 7 of the civil rights act of 1964 together, the result is that both a complaint about a business' workforce reflecting and not reflecting the demographic composition of its available hiring pool are valid complaints, both of which can only be dismissed by proving that the employment practice in question does not discriminate against anyone. A disparity existing is sufficient evidence that it's caused by an employment practice.
>>741649965The settlement involves hiring the activist, so option 2 is literally unavoidable.
>>741629956I fucking hate Risen 3.Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to make the hot chick in slut clothes the MC's sister ffs.I didn't even finish that stupid game.The main character is annoying as fuck.Risen, the first game, is the only good one.
>>741631538Wait what?
>>741649967K in section 703 state that burden of proof is placed upon plaintiff to demonstrate that discriminatory practices take place on hiring
>>741649967Section j states that a company cannot be for 3d to hire someone based on existing demographic percentages but like go off king.
>>741629956Wow, that's a whole lot of ugly manly bitches.
>>741631538>>741651037>The Skull Girls stuff (bottom of the image ) was patched out of the gamehttps://boundingintocomics.com/video-games/current-skullgirls-devs-censor-popular-fighting-game-series-in-the-spirit-of-better-reflecting-our-values-and-our-broad-vision-moving-forwardImagine feeling "ashamed" (or pressured out) of your own past creative product, to the point that you censor your game (and artbook) 10+ years later, then imagine being protected by Valve/Steam against the justified backlash from customers by marking negative reviews as "Offtopic activity".
>>741652573what a time to be alive (Derogatory)Thanks for the insight anon
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>>741652896If anyone wants to play the Uncensored version on PC, they have to manually downgrade it using the Steam console using a guide like this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995415262
>>741651218Like I said, any disparity anywhere is sufficient evidence.>>741651347And this means that you can't say that your demographic ratios are to be expected because of other causes.It's a ridiculous standard. It means that the number of people that can be employed is equal to the smallest minority in the US multiplied by the number of ethnic/sexual/religious groups. And you can always invent new groups anyways. How would you personally defend against this?
>>741652573They also censored other shit like tentacle placement in story artwork and the umbrella symbols on the bad guy uniforms. https://skullheart.com/threads/official-content-updates-and-revisions.11921/>“While the Renoir family and the Black Egrets were always intended to evoke imagery from an oppressive militant regime, we felt that the way that manifested (most notably via red armbands, flags, and symbolism) was too close for comfort – especially given the unfortunate reality that some of these hate groups are still active in various respects to this day,” said Price. “As such, you will notice that Egret soldiers no longer feature armbands and that the heraldry of the Black Egrets organization has also been adjusted. This is a holistic pass that applies to in-game frames, concept art, story mode art, and more.”
>>741631845>Mention Dungeon Siege 3, but not even mention Anjali?Anjali was kinda Meh. There were many random NPCs in the game that mogged her. Not that the game overall was very good.
>>741629956Hags & fags ruined the industry, with ESG/DEI sponsorships -__-
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>>741654895Both sections are favorable to the accused. The first requires proof of the accusation and an out even if said proof is brought. The out is interestingly also able to be interpreted as how companies are able to mostly hire h1b's without discrimination claims as they can claim business necessity. The second means that a company cannot be forced to change their internal demographics simply because they are different from regional demographics. I'd be interested to see any case law citing these two provisions that support your position as they sure don't read like they do. And I fail to see what hiring decisions have to do with product decisions as hostile workplace environment is the most likely complaint there.
>>741630328>obsidian made those? daymIt's hard to believe now, but Obsidian was a competent enough development studio until like ~2017, when they started putting out Modern slop like Pillars 2, The Outer Worlds or Avowed.
>>741658053You fucking spastic, "disparate impact" means any difference of outcome. A difference of outcome is considered proof of disparate impact. Paragraph j LITERALLY says that you cannot use real world facts to justify any difference of outcome. You have to have the same number of every intersectional category or else you're a lawsuit away from implementing some activist's alternative employment practice.The business necessity is literally only just for cases where a movie script says that all the characters are white, which is why the award shows have to put casting diversity specifically in their own qualification criteria.
>>741659634Is this point of this image that things get worse when women are involved?
>>741629956This style of "sexy but tasteful" is completely non-existent now, apart from a few exceptions. It's either purposefully ugly women (west), or tasteless, over-the-top sex dolls (china, korea, partially japan). We're never getting this appreciation for beauty and subtlety again, only vulgar ugliness and vulgar over-sexualization (sex appeal but no beauty).
>>741659809So I'm guessing you're aware of the 80% rule for disparate impact that federal agencies use correct? Do you know the equation used to calculate it? It works on proportion not on pure quantity. Let's say you had 100 white applicants and 10 black applicants. If you hired 80 of those 100 white applicants to meet the 80% rule you would hire 8 black applicants. This meets the standard. Now let's say you did not end up hiring all 8 of them, you can prove that the others did not meet your standards and still get away free. Or that section j literally says none of what your on about and says that you cannot force a company into demographic compliance just because there is discrepancy. Literally the whole thing there.
>>741660143>women
>>741647263>I care about good video games, simple as.I'm sure you do.
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>>741634267>Sexy video game girls still exist. You just have to shell out money for skins and gachas.I don't want to play shitty Mobile games though. I don't even mind the money for skins part as much as that.I do appreciate stuff like Stellar Blade, Tides of Annihilation or re-releases/Remasters like Lollipop Chainsaw or Shadows of the Damned, especially since they don't go out of their way changing stuff.
>>741629956Has Ken Levine even made a game since burning down his legacy with Burial at Sea, or did he retire in shame?
>>741633152>>741632778>People still think it's about moneylust for a female market in the industry. It's literally a humiliation ritual.
>>741639391>I did kind of laugh at sleeping dogs being there. I felt it was like a milder gta. There was a optional romance subquest but an overall lack of suggestive content.There were like 4 Girlfriend quests for the player in the game. Emma Stone also played one of the potential girlfriends in Sleeping Dogs before she got famous. Look it up.
>>741633465That one girl voice by Chobot got shit on in Mass Effect 3 and somehow is in these compilations. All it teaches me is how many tourists there are, the bare minimum cutoff is like 2010
>>741666906>That one girl voice by Chobot got shit on in Mass Effect 3 and somehow is in these compilationsI mean, yeah she's hot and has a fine ass and tits, so she qualifies.>the bare minimum cutoff is like 2010I'm not sure what you mean, but I think the point is these characters all existed and were still mainstream up to 10 years ago in 2014-15, not that Tomb Raider, Julie, Elexis and Rynn or Larry Laffer existed.Although it would be fun seeing these with characters going back all the way to the 80s with Larry, Space Quest and old D&D or Elder Scrolls games.
>>741635517indies have just been making RPG maker or 2d metroidvania slop for the last 15 years.
>>741666906It was weird they made her a lot less attractive than the model she was based on; but then they made Ashley's model more feminine than she was in ME1.
>>741629956RETVRN
>>741665219>Has Ken Levine even made a game sinceKen Levine has been working on Not-Bioshock Judas for like the past 10 years: https://www.judasthegame.com/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-BxpZpTN88I can't say it left me impressed, it seems to follow all the late industry trends.
>>741650398>I fucking hate Risen 3.Patty was fucking ugly in the first Risen tho. I think they actually outsourced the character models to another studio for 2+3, most of them are labeled as BoldHeadStudio.com: https://www.piranha-fanart-portal.de/include.php?path=galerie_pic&pid=421&cid=9Piranha Bytes couldn't into proper 3D modeling and animations till the very end. They were far ahead of the competition when they released Gothic and Gothic 2, but quickly fell behind the rest of the industry when it comes to 3D game development with subsequent titles.
>>741629956This really puts into perspective how ugly they've made women in video games now.
>>741632453Guh?
>>741640223What people don't get is it's not really a disconnect. Anti-violence is rooted in Christianity and oppressive governments. Anti-sex is rooted in religion too, but it's also rooted in women.Women do not give a fuck about gore and violence unless it's about them, it's sex that's offensive; not because they hate it, but because they are obsessed with controlling it.
>>741648656>>741644896This just a result of jeet or AI misinterpreting the sprite.
>>741672950Angry angels owe me marriage
>>741673083>jeet or AI misinterpreting the spriteBut what's the difference?
