>wastes minimal space>still provides nice 3D look
>>741634076>tibia clone>looks worse
>>741634579What's tibia?
>>741634076>nice 3D lookUltima's perspective is nauseating dogshit, absolutely fucking not.
>>741634643Other perspectives would either lack a 3D look, or they would waste too much space with wall and scenery occlusion. It's the ideal perspective.
>>741634076this gives me nausea
>>741634707>or they would waste too much space with wall and scenery occlusion.As they fucking should. Ultima's attempt to reveal more space is not worth how disoreintating and fuckawful it looks.
>>741634707Just make the walls transparent when they block your character, easy.
>>741634761>>741634859>tendies getting saltyThe funny thing is while it has the best 3D view, it also is among the best living world RPGs especially for the time and even today.>>741634890They already did that when they made the game, but they decided not to waste a bunch of space with a silly projection.
>>741635007>tendiesDon't try to deflect this with console war faggotry, retard. It has absolutely nothing to do with that and you know it. Ultima looks BAD and the perspective it uses is a fucking eyestrain; even the old DOS Ultimas look better purely because they use standard grid view instead of that dogshit oblique perspective the later Ultimas use.
>>741634076Explain to me why Baldur's Gate and Fallout look great in isometric but U7 looked like everyone was leaning like Michael Jackson
>>741634076Ok, here me out, Ultima 7 but with Ragnarok Online graphics. 10/10 right? The camera angle isn't even the problem with Ultima 7, the graphics are just ugly. 2 frames of animation, and a lot of the wilderness is just splotchy pixelated messes. Its a really good game and nothing else is quite like it. Crimson desert is probably the closest a game has come to Ultima 7 in ages,
>>741635132>Ultima looks BADNobody thinks this, it's just a Sega System type troll post.>>741635262Tendie tier comment.
Semi-related.
>>741635415>it's just a Sega System type troll post.You cannot seriously be deflecting to Segafaggotry to try and justify how awful Ultima looks.
>>741635373>the graphics are just uglyThey're charming and they were doing the best they could given the constraints of the time. >>741635470It looks great, even today people praise the graphics. I don't understand why you'd say it's ugly, it's all hand drawn and looks amazing. 'Pixel' games today don't even come close.
>>741635262Baldur's gate and Fallout have a sharper isometric angle. and the graphics are pretty consistently drawn at that angle. The ground in U7 is drawn flat, like your looking straight down instead of at an angle. so if there is no other isometric sprites on screen to keep the illusion, it makes it look like the party is leaning.
>>741635534>I don't understand why you'd say it's ugly, Because I have EYES, man. The portraits and UI are really nice but the world of Ultima 7 is fucking UGLY.
>>741635620How is that ugly? It still looks great.
>>741635432alcohol exacerbated anxiety disorder, happens to a lot of alcies. If he got clean and stayed clean for a month he'd feel like he did 15 years ago
>>741635620I don't think it's ugly really graphically or aesthetically barring some areas, just the perspective is strange
>>741635534I won't argue that, considering the age of ultima, the graphics are good, from a purely technical standpoint. Maybe its just my bias, but I don't like the look of sprites in ultima, specifically the top down overworld sprites. the character portraits are fine, the inventory widgets are all nice to look at. but the world is ugly.
The perspective and dense pixel art works great in Tibia, I wish more games would take from Ultima's style rather than all the overly toony shit out there.
i honestly prefer Ultima VI. I was wandering around and talked to some random droopy eyed cutie peasant girl and it became a talk about the nature of dreams and shit that I found strangely profound
>>741635262U7 isn't isometric
>>741634076The problem with this shit is that the people who made it is fucking retarded. The perspective actually isn't wrong, but the screen is basically twisted 45 degree, which makes everything look like it leans to the left.If they had simply shifted the perspective 45 degrees clockwise, it would have looked fine.I actually made a picture that shows what I'm talking about. The perspective looks perfectly normal like this.
>>741635875Part of the charm of the world is that the background tiles are often animated. Dewdrops sparkle, the waves lap at the shores, streams look like they're flowing, bogs bubble and seethe. It's extremely detailed and animated for the time, even today most games don't pay that much attention to detail.>>741636236This isn't an improvement and just makes it so every building (at the original resolution) would have all the corners cut off.Buildings were oriented to the cardinal directions for a reason - the SCREEN is a RECTANGLE.You see how dumb you are? This is about the view you'd get with the original viewport and not using Exult or another modern engine (I know about the 3D one and it's cool).These days you can just use that 3D engine to see any perspective you wish.
>>741635948>le tibia posterTibia's an Ultima clone and nobody really played it. Ultima Online is still going strong today. Graphics look too busy somehow.
>>741636430>This isn't an improvement and just makes it so every building (at the original resolution) would have all the corners cut off.That's an acceptable in exchange for not having dogshit perspective that looks awful to anyone who isn't coping.
>>741636532I was also a big fan of Euotopia which takes inspiration from Ultima V, I find these styles a lot cooler than the ugly-ass isometric perspective in UO.
>>741636430Are you fucking retarded or something? Why the fuck would it matter if the "corners" were cut off? You can simply walk over there.Practically every other game like this used that perspective, including Ultima 8 and Diablo, while old JRPGs and games with more primitive graphics used a perspective that was dead on.With Ultima 7, they fucked up by using the grid style from JRPGs (and the older older Ultimas that inspired them), but with an isometric perspective. That doesn't actually work, because you end up with the broken, rotated perspective you see in Ultima 7, where all the characters leaning 45 degrees to the left.
>>741636430I'd say most games today manage that level of detail, what they can't manage is that level of interactivity. since every prop or decoration was a world object that could be manipulated or examined. very few games come close on that, unless they are voxel survival games.
>>741634076Any non-fantasy games like this?
>>741636808Ultima 6 had the same perspective and it worked just fine, the square floors are essential for tile-based games since it gives you a good sense of space, and the cabinet perspective gives the characters depth so it's the best of both worlds.Come to think of it I always disliked any tile-based games that don't have square tiles, it just feels wrong.
>>741634076>can't see characters assTRASH, literally worst perspective
>>741637091actually yeah, there were two spin offs, Savage Empire which was set in the relatively modern jungle, and martian Dreams that was a sci-fi.
>>741637224game?
>>741634076>why yes, i want my games to look like complete dogshit just because the design checks some artificial design boxes that nobody cares about
>>741636632>dogshit perspectiveThe perspective is ideal, you just don't understand game design or visual presentation. You have Reddit Mouth too, it means while you wish to display that you're emphatic, you can't form an argument to support your case so you resort to swearing about it instead.Lesbians often do this, to try to fit in and appear manly.> Why the fuck would it matter if the "corners" were cut off?Because it would be stupid to have to enter every screen-sized building and go up down left right to see it all, when your screen would make that happen naturally with cardinal alignment as the game already has. Imagine doing such a stupid wasteful ritual, 'geeeee gotta search the corners again,' 'oops missed something obvious because it was in the corner' lol.>>741637002>I'd say most games today manage that level of detailNah everything is automated and soulless, hand animation isn't done any more, it's all automatically done by moving models along paths after you define how the bits move.>>741637329>dogshitIt's you again, Reddit Mouth. You keep trying to forge a consensus but you have to change up your dogshit dogshit or people are going to know it's you lol.
>>741637154Sure it worked 'fine' but it was still only functional. I think 6 aged better then 7 because the sprites are even smaller and look more abstract so the lack of detail keeps them from actually looking ugly, but I don't have any love for the overworld sprites in that game either.
>>741637416>>dogshit>It's you again, Reddit Mouth. You keep trying to forge a consensus but you have to change up your dogshit dogshit or people are going to know it's you lol.holy fuckmedsnow
>>741637416>You have Reddit Mouth too, it means while you wish to display that you're emphatic, you can't form an argument to support your case so you resort to swearing about it instead.>Lesbians often do this, to try to fit in and appear manly.>
>>741634076This looks pretty terrible anon, do you have any better screenshots?
>>741637531I'm just saying, lose the Reddit Mouth, form a cogent thesis and stop pretending to be more new thread entrants to forge a consensus and failing because your Reddit Mouth tic is 'dogshit' and you can't seem to change that up even a tiny bit.Then you might have a chance with your dogshit Reddit Mouth. I can at least form a rational post where I explain why the Ultima VII perspective is great. You can't do shit but repeat the word 'dogshit' with your Reddit Mouth. It makes you out to be disabled.>>741637639Why not play the game? It's considered one of the top video games of all time even today.
>>741634076Literally makes me feel like I am falling down an edge and am about to hit my head on the concrete.Impressive accomplishment to create something this flawed.
>>741637689>Form a cogent thesis NTA but goddamn. The dude actually provided an example of why he thought the existing perspective was flawed. with a pretty detailed explanation. you are the one spazzing out because you take the idea that ultima 7 isn't perfect personally. Get over yourself
>>741637931There ya go you posted without using dogshit, but we can tell it's still you lol.>>741638079>The dude actually provided an example of why he thought the existing perspective was flawed. with a pretty detailed explanation.He didn't, he showed another possibility, but didn't explain why it was better, and in fact it was worse from a game design perspective because it would have created a need to do a stupid ritual upon entering any building where you have to go NSEW every time just to look in the corners.It wasn't even an argument. It was a screenshot with a lot of Reddit Mouth.
>>741638180Stop trying to make "Reddit Mouth" a thing, it will never be a thing.
>>741634642It's the game that cloned ultima
>>741638180Yes it is meeee~The boogeyman living in your heeeaaaad~
>>741638280I didn't invent it, it's an actual thing. And it shows up especially well given the background contrast of 4chan, sweatie.
>>741634076That looks awful though and plays extremely clunky though.
>>741638180That isn't really a relevant point, the game was designed around the graphics it had. it could have been built around the isometric angle to account for screen real estate. Honestly the character sprites being vertical instead of at a 45 degree angle is a solid improvement.
>>741638539It was the first truly open-world game with the ability to manipulate objects. Still does a great job at what it's meant to do.You probably don't have many specific actual problems with the game because you just watched a video or something once lol.
>>741638539Never really noticed any 'clunkiness' especially with the exault port. moving things around with the mouse is pretty intuitive. Unless your talking about the animations. yeah, only 2 frames for everything really sucks.
>>741634076It's silly how advanced this game was for the time period but it's sad we ended up in a universe where the single player games died out to let garbage like elder scrolls come along, literally just flat out steal its formula but with less depth and become the defacto normie open world sandbox rpg.It should have been Ultima
PSA from a true gamer:Exult is trash and if you used it, you didn't even play the game.That is all.
>>741634579Tibia ripped this off you brazilian monkey.
>>741640216What else does it change?I thought it just made it run more stable and higher res
