Why did it flop so hard? wasnt supposed to be the best game ever and one of the smartest games ever? did the ANXIETY theme not make it through?
Chads didn’t buy it :(
It is the prime example of Atlus going woke to cash in on the western market. Fans of old Atlus fucking hate this game.
What if we made a JRPG but for gayming journalists?™
>>741639150Fake News, Metaphor is at least the same quality as the Nu Persona games and has true Press Turn so the battle system is better.
if you're going to be woke then at least be a marxistbut no this game loves rich people too because of course it does
>>741638916>sold a million copies in one day>somehow seen as a flop
>>741639150>90s SMT>Let’s make an occult themed game at the height of the Satanic Panic>Joe Biden Metaphor>Let’s make the safest moralfag Reddit game about civics ever without stepping on anyone’s toesThey used to be cool man..
>>741639489game had no legs unlike their other stuff
>>741639510anyone who worked on smt were long gone before metaphor
>>741638916>why did it flopthey didnt release it on the top JRPG platform, Switch 2, on time, with a good portself inflicted seppuku
>>741639510They clearly stepped on stupid libertarian toes with how much you seethe about the game.
>>741638916When you remove waifufaggotrism, school setting, engrish catchy music and gay colors from a Persoyna game, all it is left is a dogshit RPG, no wonder why it flopped
>>741638916No fuck the fairy no buy
I’m guessing it didn’t stick hard with all persona fans who play the game for the dating social elements. It’s also a new IP so I imagine after the initial sales it died down a bit.I think it’s the best version of calendar/social management that Atlus has done. The combat system is also a great. I think people on both sides of the aisle focus on the “woke” thing too much. The main talking point of “tribes being equal” has been done many times in JRPGs over and over again, people are just overly sensitive now. I enjoyed Louis as an antagonist and thinks he carries the story on his back.
>>741639150Except Metaphor is a carbon copy of the same formula Fatlus has been recycling since P3, complete with cowardly milquetoast “themes” which just boil down to upholding the status quo and never changing anything.
>>741641039I also liked Louis but I wish they'd pronounced it the proper French way. That rubbed me the wrong way the entire game every time they said it.
ITT:
>>741638916Simple, predictable, completely avoidable reason. All they had to do was not be fucking retarded. They listened to the "heckin problematic" resetera tranny crowd that didn't want icky harem romance.>"Uhhh but AKSHUALLY westerners love romance so your argument doesn't make sense!"Wrong, westerners love faggot romance with 40 year olds. They absolutely hate Persona style romance. So shut the fuck up, wokeshills.
>>741639510>morals le bad
No waifu, no play, simple as.
>>741638916>one of the smartest games everLiterally nobody said this.
>>741638916It's persona...BUT UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The story was shit and the themes were bad.
>>741638916> Flop> 2.5 millionI bet your ass this game didn't cost even 40 million USD, anything past the 1 million unit has been pure profit.
>>741638916i didnt boughted because im waiting for the royal vengeance super edition that ads a new annoying girl
Having one of these threads again OP?
>>741638916>8 years of development time>only 2.5 million salesHoly woke slop mega flop.
>>741643687You know that girl eventually changes her mind and realizes what she was saying earlier was a bit too much?
>>741643687https://personacentral.com/metaphor-refantazio-developer-interview-protagonist-archetypes/>The first few years was a period of preparation while developing Catherine: Full Body (released in 2019), so development began in earnest after that
>>741643687You're not only ignorant, you're also stupid.
>>741645152OP do be like that
>>741638916Not enough of a wish fulfilment fantasy for Personafags, not enough of a dungeon crawler for Megaten fags. It alienated everyone.
>>741645342How many dozens of times have you said some slight variant on this at this point
>>741641062You didn't play P3. P4 started the trend of return to status quo.
>>741638916I don't think it flopped, they had a big streaming event on the anniversary of its release. People were expecting a definitive edition with more content, but I think Atlus is beginning to abandon that practice, after realizing it was hurting sales, people waiting until the new version and ignoring the original game.
>>741641259I can imagine why
>>741645152>>741643687Woke slop.
>>741645707Unironically they should've this time, by adding romances.
>the number has only gone up since the last thread was made 2 days ago >you can tell the 2-3 dedicated third world shitposters for this game have way less energy than normal
>>741645828There was romances, all the girls in your party like you romantically, and the triclopse actually confesses.
>>741643687>>741645807why do you niggers act like this is the first time Atlus has made a game that has “woke” elements in it? You do realize one of Atlus’ most game has a character who deals with work place sexism and learns that women can in fact be as good as men
>>741645807Half of these comments admit that they were wrong, specially Catherina. She becomes a wagie.
>>741645906No they don't, you could maybe argue Eupha not much with Gallica and definitely not for Hulkenburg. For me, it's Brigitta. They should've added romance. It's pretty clear by now and honestly should've been clear in development.
>>741638916It's Persona 5 but worse.Dungeons were mostly pretty bad.Bosses having multiple parts to attack felt like half-assed mechanic.While the job system was interesting, it could result in you just not being able to cover weakness/mechanic of a boss.Too many systems were tied into the land runner, and for some you had to be in specific locations.
>>741647052>Dungeons were mostly pretty bad.Lost City is perfect thanks to the Etrian guys
The game's fine but my god I want to fuck Gallica so much.
The reality is these are those "flops" automaton tried to pretend metaphor was included with
>>741647421That's what I'm saying. They should've let you. But apparently this is some kind of controversial statement that causes fans to get overly defensive and argue against romances despite also demanding it themselves. It's hypocritical.
>>741638916>No hot teenagers>No hot MILF teachers>WokenessThis results in NO SALES. Simple as that.
>>741643687>Have nice concept>Drop it for Persona 5 but in european fantasy setting, but also removing what people likes of Persona, aka the friend and romance simulatorBRAVO NOLAn
>>741649956Ann's tight little but...
>IT TOTALLY FLOPPED GUIZ JUST TRUST ME!!!why you still doing this?
>>741638916Do we really need this thread every day? Schizos are so weird dude, how do you become this hyperfocused on a game you disliked. Its like the devs kicked your dog or something
>>741650124We got updated sales from Sega todayIt only sold 400k copies last year
>>741638916Metaphor is good, great even, and totally worth playing.However it will forever be dragged down by le current year ""racism is bad mkay" (but not actually maybe"" storyline, and by the fact that Atlus promised some grand deconstruction/reconstruction of the fantasy RPG genre and then just delivered a modified Persona-like.It never stood a single chance against E33 which was the ACTUAL homage to old school RPGs, at least FFVI and VII.Eupha wife.
>>741650832What it didn't 50 million last year!!! Its a flop now!!!
indian thread
It looks uninteresting. And when you play the game, you think it's going to be interesting, but then the story goes nowhere and the characters are all flat.
>>741638916Playing Persona 5 Royal after Metaphor it really goes to show how fucking bland Metaphor is in comparison. It has none of the soul.
I enjoyed metaphor. Might give it a NG+ run.
lots of cringe politics shit and not in a funny way
>>741651746Politics is cringe to begin with. It's a bunch of out-of-touch psychopaths trying to make more money by forcing certain ideologies on people. At least in Metaphor, a game focused on fantasy, the antagonists each have their own ideology they sincerely believe instead of just being paid to pretend to believe it.
>>741651239>how fucking bland Metaphor is in comparisonThat's what people don't get about the Metaphor criticisms. We have a bunch of retards going around saying that Metaphor is more daring than Persona, but that's just not true. It tries to tackle spicier things, but it cucks out because it's not committed to treating those things with gravity. Persona 5 works because it's not focused on solutions to specific problems outside of "stop keeping your head down and being a sheep". The "magical solutions" in P5 aren't really that, the supernatural things that happen are for allegorical and entertainment purposes. Metaphor tries to do this as well, but that doesn't work very well in a game that focuses on solutions to specific problems that would often require a measure of violence and otherwise unpalatable actions.
>>741639676>Game now sitting at 2m sales>Brand new IPName 5 other JRPGs like this, please.
>>741638916bad demo.
>>741652062E33 raped it
>>741651976>Metaphor tries to do this as well, but that doesn't work very well in a game that focuses on solutions to specific problems that would often require a measure of violence and otherwise unpalatable actions.Finally a good post. And it had to resort to a final villain that is literally just trying to destroy the entire world just because.I appreciate its intent behind Fantasy and compromising it for reality, idealism and so on. And I do think it made steps to try and show violence as an inevitable course of action when faced with unprecedented corruption by the main characters literally assassinating Louis in the opera house, but it still fell shy in the end.
>>741643687The main cast talk shit about what the bunnygirl says right after that.
>>741643687don't you beat the shit out of this girl multiple times and make her crawl back to the slums and admit she's wrong?
>>741651976I unironically think Metaphor's messaging would have worked better narrative if Louis was some kind of outside threat and the way the Prince rallied everyone was to put aside their differences for a greater outside enemy. Would have made a lot more sense.
>>741652438>>741652662I told you this the other day but literally no one outside of /v/ has this opinion because people outside of /v/ can actually read
>>741652698What retarded ad hominum.
>>741652754Do you know what ad hominem means Of course you don't
>>741652698Despite Metaphor's sales I guess very few people on /v/ actually played it and just got the sparknotes from youtube video summaries so they can shitpost in the threads, so we're not going to have very good threads discussing what it did well or badly.We're just going to have endless shitposters calling it woke and using "proof" via screenshots of characters that are literally antagonists you fight against.
>>741652803>you're just a retard who can't read>no I won't actually address your argumentI know well thank you. Though evidently you don't.
>>741652698Maybe you should go back to plebbit? The only site that was championing this game as GOTY, only for it to turn out to be a fairly mediocre game with zero legacy.
>>741652890/v/ did this same thing with P5R because they wanted to prop up a villain character that would make life better without filtering them out of society. Louis is literally the opposite of that and knows exactly who needs to be cut off for More's idealisms to be possible in reality, and /v/ also knows how popular he is so it's like a personal offense
>>741638916>Persona clone>no romance>shit combat>annoying characters>pozzedNo thank you
>>741652890>We're just going to have endless shitposters calling it woke and using "proof" via screenshots of characters that are literally antagonists you fight against. Neither of the 2 posts that anon replied to accused Metaphor of being woke. Could you possibly strawman any harder?
Bro its becuase the main characters looks like this piece of shit. Also partly bc its missing all the social aspects of p5.
>/vpol/ likes the idea of political leaders genociding specific groups until it turns out they're part of that group funny it's probably even worse with metaphor's premise because the criteria for getting the gas chamber automatically opt in anyone with a mental illness
>>741653396>literally just Makoto againNo that's not the problem.
trooncord will never let this game die because they seethe about it daily
Jews REALLY seem to hate this game so it must be good. Gunna play it.
>>741653448yeah there is no problem, other than upset spergs from non-Atlus fanbases still upset they couldn't tank the game
>>741639257>Nu Persona gamesSo steaming dogshit?
This game has one of the worst fucking art directions I've ever seen. Everything, including the ui looks butt-ugly. The protagonist feels like the result of a scientific experiment to create the blandest character design imaginable. The story felt flat and completely fumbled towards the ending. And the worst part, the soundtrack was underwhelming as fuck. Some of the earlier tracks were good, but the later ones all felt samey and pretty forgettable.Even then, I wouldn't say it was a bad game. But holy fuck, this game was astroturfed to the absolute stratosphere.
>>741653696nah
>>741653696>quick lemme look up all the awards it won over final fantasy
>>741653696This is every atlus game after persona 5.
>>741653696this is true>>741653989this is true
>>741653864And yet redditbirth sold more than metaphor while being a timed exclusive.
Makes you wonder who would have a problem with Atlus enough to spend their entire day shitposting in every Persona/Metaphor/SMT thread non-stop recycling the exact same talking points repeatedly proven stupid or wrong.I'm betting it's some final fantasy cultist.
>Not on Switch yetThat's probably gonna help, yeah.
>>741654021and actually underperformed according to the developer without all of asian gaming media having to come out and gaslight low IQ persona fans for it lol
>>741653864>quick lemme look up what journos think since i don't have an opinion of my own
>>741654280You don't have an opinion of your own, your opinion is just the opposite of what journos think
>>741654129And so did Metaphor. What the fuck are you even talking about retard? Did you even read Sega's reports? No one even brought up redditbirth in the first place, and that game sucked as well. How fucking insecure are the average Atlus fags?
>>741654091A lot of it is also backlash from Persona fans because the whole dialogue around Metaphor is that it's Persona for adults. Which isn't true, but still an issue within the community due to assholes not liking the high school setting. The faggots shitting on Atlus games in general are definitely people from other fandoms.
>>741654387>Did you even read Sega's reports?We all did, you didn't though
>>741654326My opinion is whatever suits my tastes. Your opinion is whatever sells more, is more popular, or has more praise.
>>741654404>Metaphor is that it's Persona for adults.Nobody has ever said this.
>>741652438>>741651976Holy fucking trvclear apocalypse
>>741654326Metaphor is not the perfect masterpiece you think it is.
>tolerance>muh racism>muh serious rpg without fanserviceI'm glad it underperformed
>>741653696I unironically believe the protagonist's design alone probably made a decent number of people skip this game.
>>741654549Why do leftards enjoy rewriting history so much?
>Spamming the thread now because of how clearly it got taken over >>741654404>Which isn't trueIt pretty much is true, but not in the way you're suggesting The issue is you have zoomers in their early 20s thinking being an adult in an adult situation is a libertarian getting votes for the intellectual substance of his policies instead of for what the chances of him fucking up when he's actually in office compared to the guy next to him are
>>741654781Jew spotted trying to deflect into another left vs right narrative. Kill him.
>>741638916>>741639150>>741641365>>741645807When is the election going to end? Why can’t we just return to normal? No, Atlus probably wasn’t thinking of (You) when making this game. The themes in Metaphor are over 200 years old. Did the French Revolution theme go completely over your heads?
>>741638916>sold 2.4 million units>P3R sold 2.9 million>the new IP from atlus that sold better than the latest mainline yakuza game, and only slightly worse than atlus's main money making series It didn't flop, retard.
The idea of an rpg with Persona mechanics set in a medieval fantasy sounded nifty but you still have to deal with the worst parts of an rpg and a Persona game.Also, no tits and fucking.
>>741654989That year was god tier. P3R, Metaphor and SMT5V were all 10/10.
failed because:too SMT for persona fans andtoo Persona for SMT fans
everyone sucked this off for good art design im 15 hours in still fighting skeletons and slimes and giant wolves in dingy shitty ps3 brick castle with lameass basic fireball and giant sword swing do 25% more damage than basic attacks boringg
>>741652234grifted AI slop doesn't count
>>741655092>Like both SMT and Persona.>Like Metaphor.Feels good, man.
>>741654985Don't bother. This game is impossible to discuss with these people
>>741655350Based and same
>>741654463>>741654989It didn't flop but it fell below their expectations. Shills would've know that if they weren't trying so hard to deflect.https://www.segasammy.co.jp/cms/wp-content/uploads/pdf/en/ir/20260213_q3_presentation_e.pdf
>>741655350I liked Metaphor but it's definitely unpolished. I hope they make a sequel and give it a bit more of a unique identity as apposed to the halfassed middle ground between SMT and Persona that it exists as. Also it better have romance.
>>741655687Don't bother. I highly doubt the average consumer even understands that a game taking eight fucking years to develop only to sell 2.4 million copies is the hit they think it is. Like no shit it's not a Forspoken tier flop, but it's not hard to understand why it might have fallen below their initial sales goals.
>>741638916This game was made for people who demand woman's butts to be non-existent. Why didn't they buy it.
>>741655409What’s there to discuss? Metaphor sucks ass, end of subject lol you’re just upset that the corny themes of the game get shitposted to no end, there’s no fucking depth to discuss
>>741655687All of Sega's games underperformed that year, their sales predictions were brain dead. Sega is a company with serious lack of self-awareness. They're a bunch of suits in an echo-chamber who don't realize they don't have the reputation they think they do.>>741655947It started proper development after Full Body released in 2019, which is 5 years with a pandemic in between, and also incredibly standard for game development these days.
>>741656073The election is over.
>>741655687Metaphor isn't even mentioned there retard, this is 2026 you fucking idiot
>>741655947>eight fucking yearsKEK hilarious if true. So that butt ugly game, that runs like crap, it's turn based, with copy pasted enemies/dungeons took 8 years to make??
>>741656339No. They announced the project 8 years before the release but to recruit staff. They literally had a team of less than ten people when they announced it, and nothing other than some drawings from Soejima. Then they ended up making Full Body instead and didn't start actually making Project ReFantasy until after that released.
>>741656073You didn't play the game
>>741638916Can't romance the fairyA billion sales lost from this decision
>>741656339>So that butt ugly game, that runs like crap, it's turn based, with copy pasted enemies/dungeons took 8 years to make??But enough about E33.
>>741655687>posts link that doesn't say it was below expectations>>741655947>lies about how long the game took to develop Any more amazing third world tricks no one's ever seen before you want to try out while you still have electricity for the evening
>>741657007E33 is hotdog water.even super mario rpg clears it
>>741654985>why did this video game failbecause it appeals to a faction of the potential audience at the cost of isolating itself from the rest of its potential audience by taking modern day political stances>Hah, well actually your side is wrongyoure not helping
>>741657087lmao seethe Ranjesh
>>741657098>by taking modern day political stancesdidn't happen
>>741654985>WHY WON'T YOU JUST FUCKING GIVE UP AND LET US TURN YOUR HOBBY INTO OUR PROPAGANDA PLATFORM ALREADYKill yourself.
>>741655687https://www.segasammy.co.jp/cms/wp-content/uploads/pdf/en/ir/20250512_q4_presentation_e.pdfHere's the one you meant to post dumbass, you know, where it says sales were strong.
Atlus shilling globohomo from the safety of their ethnostate is scummy behavior. I'm done playing Atlus games.
>>741638916It was the best game of the year, also is still the best of this decade, granted the competition isn't that strong to begin with.
>>741657372I would also say it was the best game of the previous decade too but Bloodborne comes out just in time in 2015
>>741657054A simple google search is enough to find out about the overall development time. I know atlusfags are illiterate but I thought they would at least know how to google.
>>741657215It also didint sellKek
>>741641039>The main talking point of “tribes being equal” has been done many times in JRPGs over and over againYou say that like it's not a problem when the game consists of 100 hours of cutscenes. The story better blow me away if I have to watch hours of cutscenes between gameplay segments. If it's just the same bog standard JRPG I already played dozens of times on the PS2 then why the fuck would I bother?
>>741657441>A simple google searchyeah like this one lmao>>741644935
>>741657441And reading comprehension is required to understand that the announcement of the project wasn't when they started development because they were a new studio with no staff using it as bait for employees, and that they made a different game before even starting Metaphor.
>>741657215believe it or not, the sides of the french revolution were not competing opinions about the most effective method of ending fantasy racism
>>741655092>too SMT for persona fansThere's virtually no SMT in Metaphor, besides the lack of a romance option in routes.
>>741657482What do I care? The game was good. The sequel will be even better
Catherine was like the last good game they made imo
>>741655092>failed becausethe only failure associated with Metaphor is the failure of its detractors
>>741657482>>741657358
>>741657540You clearly didn't play the game
I knew /v/ was going to mald at there not even being a new sales milestone for this game, because it knew all along it didn't flop
>>741657545it literally uses press turn you fucking moron
I've literally never seen a person that didn't like metaphor who wasn't also a massive idiot
>>741638916I’m sorry man, but those character designs are fucking hideous. They look like the came out of a Persona character generator, and they just kept hitting “randomize”.
>>741657845one hoyocoin has been added to your account
>>741638916Because it's a commie, tranny, nigger game
Even OP realized he replied to himself too many times last thread lol
>>741657814Are you a nigger or a tranny?
>>741657985great perfect for the average american
>>741657845Stop badmouthing hashino. It only took him 8 years to generate those masterful character designs.
>>741658060No, but I suspect your mom's been fucked unprotected by both
>>741657985>Literal monarchy>"Commie"huh?
>>741658107i have two dads retard
>>741658202same difference really
>>741658162man this game really went to shit in the last few hours huh, centrist ass fucking ending
>>741658282japs have feared strong consequential messages ever since ww2
>>741657328>>741657540So the plot completely flew over your head then?
Metaphor isn’t even a finished game, they clearly cut forden boss, third competition game and the mage academy dungeons
>>741638916Surprise surprise, ATLUS can't write for shit.
>”absolute monarchy bad but dictator also bad”>game ends with a constitutional monarchy like modern day Japan >4chan: LIBERAL COMMIE WOKE REEEEEEE
>>741658428>forden bossthis is the problem with gamers, you can't understand when a story structure doesn't fit cleanly into rpg structure.>what, this villain got killed unceremoniously and we never got to even fight him!? UNFINISHED PIECE OF SHIT!!!!no anon, this sort of thing incredibly conventional narratively, you've just had your brain fried by rpgs.
>>741639203>she/her, they/themWhich is it? How can you have multiple preferred pronouns? Some schizo multiple personality disorder?
>>741655210>Grifted AI slop doesn't countBut Persona-like TotallyNotPersona game from the makers of Persona counts?That's like saying if Valve makes a new shitty games that everyone buys because it's Valve.
>>741658557It's genuinely amazing how much impact a little bit of posturing has. Dumb journos and 4channers both misread the game as being commie, and the former praised it and the latter hates it for exactly that. Even though in reality the game isn't commie at all. It's impressive how many gamers genuinely lack reading comprehension on all sides.
>>741658557it's only liberal and commie because both the heroes and the villains don't really give a shit about what happens to /v/ posters /v/ hates vanilla P5 and loves P5 royal precisely because it added a character that loves /v/ posters after a base game that shit on them relentlessly
world's worst playable characters besides Hulkenberg and StrohlNot having Catherina be playable was retarded
>>741658712I love how the message of the game is "yeah ok maybe racial segregation DOES work" but it's so far into the game that no journos has ever reached it before shitting out their 4 hour playtime article.
>>741658569You're right about that but the mage academy was 100% a removed dungeon and the jump in levels you go through in the final dungeon is silly.
>>741658569That’s clearly not the only example I gave but if Louis was to murder him out of the blue than that’s fine but Louis pretends to be dead for like 2 days before he strikes, it feels rushed. The calendar only goes to to October as well, this is never the case with persona games which go December. On top of that, the final stretch of the game is recycled content with Grand trad replacing a new location and the towers being revisits with dragons for major side dungeons.You can’t look at the dragoon skill and tell me metaphor was a concisely planned game
>>741658704false equivalency
>>741658858Very early on (in the 2nd town I think) there's a story teller you go to in order to increase a social stat. They tell you about the bread story where all races got an equal share of bread, but it didn't work out and even if all tribes got the share of bread they needed depending on their size and necessities, it would inevitably result in inequality.Basically "racial segregation is inevitable", but most people didn't even bother listening to that.
>>741658894>>741658912i'm not even disagreeing with you about the other stuff, I'm specifically talking about forden. i don't care about the rest, but i'm sick of retards acting like if you don't fight every antagoinst the game is missing content. stories just work like that, why the fuck do gamers so desperately want all their narratives to fit neatly into the same formula?
>>741638916No romance is an unironic dealbreaker for large swathes of the persona fanbase. Wish fulfillment + self inserting is why people buy these games so natually if people can't hook up with a woman who worships the ground they walk on, then persona fans aren't going to want to buy it.
Gallica sex somehow>>741648856>>741648856I mean, she's only 10 inches tall
I'm so glad this game didn't have some forced, tacked-on romance crap.
>>741654926>It pretty much is trueIt is if your measure of "adult" is based on how complex academically something is.Take Persona 3 for example: something as simple as the inevitability of death, or Persona 4 with the conflict between personal freedom and societal expectations/stereotypes. Why is that less "mature" than whatever Metaphor is trying to tackle? I was more talking about the Resetera shitters concerned that they can't ethically goon to the characters, but people like you are just as bad with your insistence on the "muh simple platitudes" argument. Anyone who throws that sentiment around doesn't have the mental and emotional capacity to understand what Persona is about.
>>741659115>large swathes Then why is the game only 450k copies behind P3 reload with no switch 2 port or $20 price point
>>741659238Yeah that would have been too risky.
>>741659114Notice how no one is complaining about no boss fight with the Council even though the trans looking Igniter salesman guy is the main antagonist of Brigitta's whole storyline. It's just specifically no Forden boss fight feels lame and unsatisfying.
>>741659263>Why is that less "mature" than whatever Metaphor is trying to tackle?high schoolers.simple as.
>>741638916The MC's skin looked too brown so I didn't buy it.
>>741659263It's funny that you wrote all this shit out literally without reading any part of my post
>>741659321I'm so glad they played it safe in that regard. Romances have always been sort of tacky and problematic.
>>741657902I don’t know what that means, but I’m sure it’s a real zinger.
>>741659447problematic how
>>741659329>>It's just specifically no Forden boss fight feels lame and unsatisfying.but it doesn't, it makes perfect narrative sense. louis is a general, renowned for his battle prowess, him being both narrative and mechanically an antagonist makes sense. forden is just a hack with consolidated power through circumstance and patience, zero suggestion he could hold his own in a fight. him being dispatched in the narrative easily makes perfect sense and isn't meant to be "satisfying". you don't need to have a rush of dopamine every time a bad character dies in fiction anon, sometimes limp dicks can just have limp deaths.
Never played an Atlus game and was told to avoid this one at all cost because it was tranny slop.
>>741659379So you've told us 50 times to date
>>741659604Well done.
>>741659408You're the one saying it is indeed "Persona for adults". I'm not disagreeing with you on the intended interpretation of Metaphor and how people get it mixed up, I'm telling you why calling it "Persona for adults" is retarded.
>>741659574You know about the amount of shit Atlus got for the Kawakami confidant in P5.
>>741659114It’s how unceremonious it is, you would expect the story to have another dungeon trying to access Forden with another arc showing Forden as the top dog of the monolith now that Louis is supposed dead. Instead the characters just walk into the same building two days later with no security like Forden somehow didn’t control everything and just steal the most powerful weapon from them. It’s a matter of presentation not the fact there’s no fight.Also complaining about formulas when Atlas are the ones making it is rich irony
>>741653148Is this what this was? Fuck buying it then.
>>741658931Trust me, i don't think you hate E33 even a fraction of how much i despise that game, but still, considering how much Atlus invested behind it it's still a not too great return, i hope at least it'll get an updated version someday the way P5 got Royal and SMTV got Vengance to really push it in the broader spotlight.
>>741659779>you would expect the story to have another dungeon trying to access Forden with another arc showing Forden as the top dog of the monolith now that Louis is supposed dead.oh my fucking god this is exactly what i'm fucking talking about, why do you twats need the fucking persona 5 palace structure for every god damn villain. i didn't genuinely think you were going to pull the 'but he needed a dungeon' shit, jesus christ. stop just fucking playing rpgs, read a book. you don't need every fucking part of the narrative neatly organized into "dungeon > villain > dungeon > villain" story arc slop. it's paint by numbers storytelling. in a real fucking narrative, this is exactly how this kind of person dies.
>>741638916>why did it flop so hard?go woke go broket. non buynary
>>741659238I disagree, I think romance would have been the cherry on top. The Prince dream of being on an adventure fullfilled completely
This game would have been so shit if some dating crap was ham-fistedly shoved into it. I'm glad they resisted the temptation to appeal to losers.
>>741659779I think you literally have to not be paying attention to anything to take any issue with how Saint's Day is "presented", especially since the night before the party literally convinced him that they weren't going to be any kind of threat to him going forward and the dude is still invulnerable to assassination while being able to kill literally anyone else in the setting by himself Even the mage academy shit is just looking at the persona template and going "there should be a dungeon here because there would be one in persona" nevermind that the game is absolutely littered with characters that tell you about the place if you wanted to know more about it. Wanting a whole dungeon where you learn precisely nothing about Forden besides exactly what you knew already before Louis kills him is an even worse expression of this I think
>>741660078don't you have a gothic thread to spam
>>741659238eupha holds your hand which is the mushtari equivalent to fucking though
>>741660361then what is intercourse to the mushtari
>>741660231>if some dating crap was ham-fistedly shoved into itEupha's Follower line has her fall in love with you. Very, very, very minor tweaks would be needed to make Junah, Catherine and Brigitta work, I think it would ruin Hulkenberg a bit, but I can't deny players would want her too. Gallicafags, I'm sorry but the logistics would be too much.
>>741660415that's their handshake
>>741660450lol
>>741643687This game deserves shit sales because she's not a party member.
>>741645807When will blackrock learn that diversity in video games with elves and cat girls isnt going to make me want coexist with niggers in real life?
>>741660276>nevermind that the game is absolutely littered with characters that tell you about the place if you wanted to know more about itTell don't show fucking sucks. The Magic Academy was a key place for Rella and Junah, you can also find ties with the Igniter researchers that fucked up Fidelio and Basilio, heck they even were involved with studying the Dragons.Magic Academy had a lot of potential.
>>741638916For both good and bad, it's "Atlus UI all stars" who also for some reason doesn't trust the player to know that discrimination is le bad. Plot isn't anything special, characters are flavorless besides the doggo dude and Louise's character takes a dip on the midgame and goes full retard.
>>741639510>>741639714Japan didn't have a "satanic panic" retard.But otherwise, I agree. I didn't get Metaphor, because getting preached at about diversity by a country that's still 90% homogeneous wasn't very appealing.
>>741660696oh shit, sorry homiet. larry fink
>>741641039>I enjoyed Louis as an antagonistHe's a dime-store Armstrong though. I admit "Attack in any number. Wield any weapons." was cool as hell, but he's still not as cool as Armstrong while having basically the same scheme and worse theme music.
>>741639489It's clearly a success and especially for a new IP. People are just surprised that it doesn't seem to have had any legs.
>>741652062The Hundred Line literally saved Kodaka's company from bankruptcy.
>>741660754It really feels like they had no idea to make Louis a compelling villain so they just made him compelling for the first half of the game before revealing that actually all of his previously stated intentions are lies, hiding his secret plan to go around punting housepets and stealing candy from small children.
>>741660056>stop just fucking playing rpgs, read a bookAre you retarded? This is a thread about an RPG, not a book. Of course people are going to express grievances when things don't follow RPG formats.
>>741660867>2.5M for one of the most shilled multiplat RPG of the last 5 years >good
>>741660793>because getting preached at about diversityDiversity was 90% of the cause of all the conflicts lmao. If anything it's anti-diversity and pro racial segregation.
>>741660728It’s also the fact that after taking down Louis, you get two hours of non stop cutscenes only to get thrown into a battle with Rella the second after she’s introduced as the opponent with one of the harder mandatory battles. It doesn’t feel right at all, the pacing is fucked. I think anyone claiming that the game was paced properly after altabury is just being disingenuous
>>741660823>ArmstrongThis meme stopped being funny by the time P5 came out, real people don't actually think MGR has good writing
>>741660989>one of the most shilled multiplat RPGThe E33 thread is two blocks down.
>>741661013diversity was an old wooden ship
>>741641365Westerners obviously love Persona style romances too. It's only a loud minority of journalists and "tastemakers" that control the narrative online, Persona games sell and are super popular. Although, this may change with the Zoomer generation, they're pretty cooked since this stuff is fed to them as propoganda since birth. I heard about a 15yr old kid getting attacked as a pedo for dating a 14yr old girl.
>>741660448>I think it would ruin Hulkenberg a bit, but I can't deny players would want her too.You can tell Hulkenberg was absolutely character assassinated before the game came out.
>>741660989I know it's shocking for you as a final fantasy fan that people actually like video games when they come out, but that doesn't make them shilled
>>741660876>Dynasty Warriors Origins saved an IP that was ded and buried>THL saved Kodaka from having his organs harvested by the yakuzaSo if Hashino had put fujobait into it, would Metaphor had sold better?
>>741661102>you can tell [random hyperbole that means nothing]What is it like waking up in the morning with 50 IQ
>>741661030E33 took a couple of weeks to catch on, Metaphor is backwards it was very hyped pre-release but two weeks afterwards nobody was talking about it.
>>741661102I love the mandatory Atlas eats quirky terrible food characters.
All JRPGS suck fucking ass
>>741660937Didn't play the game
>>741638916I hate that you shit up /v/ with this narrative when the actual pathetic thing about Metaphor is that they panicked and made Persona 5.5 in the last couple of years of development, despite the entire point of Metaphor being to make something else besides Persona, because otherwise they just needed to cancel Metaphor which would make Hashino look bad. Metaphor was a good enough hit because they vampirically sucked away Persona juice from their golden goose.
>>741661129It would've stayed more relevant at least.
>>741660793>Japan didn't have a "satanic panic" retard.You're a fucking idiot. There was a deadly sarin attack in the trains in Japan that is still talked about today carried out by a doomsday cult. Even those who weren't alive at the time know about it.
>>741638916I remember a time when dudebros used to rule the gaming world and we had games like CoD and Fifa and such.And angry chuds with their weird tastes were marginalized and ignored.the 2000s were such a good time, but now chuds rule the gaming world and dudebros have all but disappeared.
>>741661107The game did have an overstated presence on /v/, but rather than marketing shills it was just that people were really excited for pic related.Its also the reason why the game is so hated on /v/, because people here were really excited for pic related instead of the final product.
>>741661204Lies, E33 spam started right when 4chan came back online
>>741661181It's obvious if you look at how her character was portrayed in past versions of the game. She looks completely different in personality from the character we got.
>>741661251>maybe we should not hate humans so much>What I meant by my previous statement is that every other race needs to be eradicated and only humans are allowed to exist
Atlus considers it a flop because it hasn't been milked with stuff like figures and media-mix stuff besides the mango the commissioned before the gam launched
>>741661471Didn't even bother to properly Google search a summary of what happened
>>741657985>Because it's a commie, tranny, nigger gamethere are literally no commies, trannies, or even niggers in the game.you can't just spout out buzzwords like it's an automatic "I win" button.
>>741661502>Atlus considers it a flopWrong Also coping
>game stuck in dev hell for more than 5 years, shilled as fuck that sold +1M on launch only managed to sell another 1M 2 years later isn't a floopy flopYeah I'm sure Itsys also thinks Engage was a success.
>>741661565Why can't he? He became a protected group in the UK for doing exactly that
>>741661608Metaphor has nearly 1 million sales on engage actually lmao All you can do is just lie over and over like a cucked loser
>>741661657UK bruvs got it rough rn
>>741652438mid budged ps2 ass looking game
>>741661751I meant that both are a case of strong initial sales, but falls short very quickly retard.
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>>741661845>I meant that both are a case of strong initial sales, but falls short very quickly90% of all games do this lmao. Evergreens are outliers.
we like neuras here
>>741661893Most ps2 games didn't look like SH3 or Dark Clouds you know
>>741661896considering we are discussing a personaclone not really, jrpgs are all leg
>>741661845No, you meant that the unit sales were comparably bad and it took me 2 seconds of my life to dispute that and call you a retard I may long for those 2 seconds one day years from now but somehow I doubt it
>>741651976I think P4 handled real issues and solutions better than either of them thoughbeit.I really liked that Yukiko's route wasn't "You were right and oppressed" and instead told her "You're surrounded by people who love you, in a place that's important to you. You don't have to run the inn, but you should decide that yourself rather than rejecting it automatically."
>>741661608Honestly the biggest reason for this is Atlus conditioning players like Pavlov's dog to expect a rerelease so people who don't want to replay an 80+ hour JRPG would just wait for it.
>>741661979>jrpgs are all legLMAO No, you don't know what you are talking about. The only JRPG that always sells is fucking Pokémon.
>>741661972Yeah they looked better.
>>741653448Door is more cute
>>741662081This is such a vapid message desu It's like p4 was written for people that didn't know how to be human in extremely first world scenarios
>>741652662That's a pretty twee solution. It's also a classic fashism setup.
>>741638916I almost bought Metaphor, because I heard a rumor that there was a scene where the MC gets brutally raped by a pack of greasy niggers.But it turned out to be false, so i didn't buy a copy.
>>741662161>This is such a vapid message desuYeah, Yukiko is a dumb teenager, all the IT are. The only one that ACKSHUALLY receives a very serious life/death message are Dojima/Nanako.
>FF fanboy makes an anti metaphor thread >proceeds to get completely raped in that thread for hours with increasingly desperate explanations for why the game was not successful despite the publisher developer and actual sales numbers all saying so
Asmongold loved Metaphor, so Metaphor can't be woke.
>>741662395>does it again a few days later The green checkmark is real
>>741662161Almost like it's about issues in a first world country? Of course it isn't going to concern itself with third world shit hole problems, doesn't make the game vapid, just about different things.
>>741662395>FF fanboyIt's a E33tard >>741657812
>>741662484First world problems has been a saying since long before every shitstain had internet access for a reason
>>741662425i wont give a shit about asmongold until he says faggot on air.
>>741657215Perception is reality. If your consumer base thinks Metaphor is there to preach about diversity politics, then they're going to be affected by that whether it's true or false. That's why you need to control the narrative.
>>741662571>retreated into another thread because this one got taken over Absolutely pathetic
>>741662571I knew it!
>>741657845>>741657902Them making the red-headed Elf less attractive from the pre-release shots was one of the reasons I didn't buy it.Downplaying sexuality and uglifying your game isn't always a bad thing, but it definitely suggests a pozzed attitude. So I was less interested. There were other reasons too, but you're talking about character designs.
>>741662579Yeah, and those retards fail to understand that it's human nature to be concerned about something regardless of your surroundings. It's a game for people in those environments, you're not smart for saying the people in the game are worrying about nothing. That's not how human nature works.
>>741662425I enjoy seeing Asmon becoming increasingly angry, unhinged, and radical.I bet by 2028 Asmon will be at Sam Hyde levels of power level,and then by 2032 Asmon will be at Nick Fuentes power level.
>>741643687What's wrong with bottom?
>>741659263Well said.
>>741662865hyde is waaay smarter than asmon.asmon is mr warm take on almost everything.
>>741659379Based.
>>741662860human nature in this case being "having a barely developing brain at 12 years old that goes nowhere by 14 and thinking this was worth writing about"
>>741661282>A one off Buddhist terrorist attack>Somehow the same as a full cultural zeitgeist about Satanic Cults and indoctrination
>>741662834What I took away is that it's not so much pozzed as is meant to appeal more to women. It's not just Hulkenburg; nearly all of the female characters are mid at best, either having awful outfits, ugly hairstyles or just bad models. Only two more conventionally attractive women are the tavern fox/cat woman and Catherina in spite of her mop hair. Also none of the female party members have half the effort put into their writing as the males. It's why no one remembers any of the girls.
>it has brown people>I can't fuck anyone!>It doesn't have my Persona pop songsJesus Christs, you niggas are pathetic.
>>741663315Almost forgot I was in a "Persona for adults" thread, thanks for reminding me.
>>741638916the fairy has the physically largest butt in the game
>>741663439>Also none of the female party members have half the effort put into their writing as the males. It's why no one remembers any of the girls.Junah/Rella are on the same tier as Basilio/Fidelio. Eupha has a good arc but I don't like his Follower story. Strohl does mog Hulkenberg. Neuras/Heismay are the best written party members anyway.
>>741662161So they're real people dealing with real people issues that real people in the real world deal with?
>>741663565Yakuza: LaD doesn't have threads anymore, sadly.
>>741663696I'm still mad about Infinite Wealth
>>741662865Has he finally stopped being a faggy centrist?
>>741663643You know what's a real issue real people in the real world deal with? A baby not being able to wipe its own ass at birth. I'm sure a story entirely about a baby that can't wipe its own ass will be about as compelling as P4 is
>>741663746I am still playing Gaiden (It's good), but I have heard the horror stories of IW.
>>741663748hes a populist my nigga
>>741663643You're never going to convince him of anything, he's one of those "Persona is about muh basic platitudes" retards who thinks Metaphor is more mature because it features a book that's heckin 2complex4u.
>>741638916I enjoyed the game but the wokeness was so hamfisted it was funny."Tolerance" stat to represent how not racist you are LMAO.
>>741663884concession accepted
>>741663909It's backwards, everyone is racist against (You).
>>741663753Not an argument.
>>741664106It absolutely is, because that's what happens when we take your crummy point to its logical conclusion. Writing broadly accessible topics always ends up like this in the end because they always lead to inherently less valuable messages, and in some cases you end up being able to seriously pissing people off by taking something that isn't so accessible and breaking it down to make it palatable to retards, like P4's Death social link.
>>741663359>one offIt wasn't one off at all. There were two large scale sarin attacks that injured thousands and the group had done more than a dozen other smaller attacks as well and plotted many more that were stopped by authorities. It wasn't Buddhist in any cleaan orthodox sense. They mixed Buddhism, Hinduism, esotericism, Nostradamus and Christian apocalypse and satanic imagery with conspiracy theory thinking, and it was absolutely a millenarian doomsday movement. And Aum Shinrikyo didn't appear out of nowhere, it came out of the broad late 20th century new religion scene where these ideas were very much present. Japan absolutely had its own cult/indoctrination anxieites, and just because Aum was the most infamous example doesn't mean it doesn't count or that it's irrelevant for having a Buddhit elements, in a country where 70% of the population identify as Buddhist. You can see Atlus games pulling on this. Not just Nocturne, but Persona 2 EP is also drawing clearly on the doomsday cult ideas and the fear of a modern mappō. You have no idea what you're talking about, stop armchairing. It was a huge concern at the time.
>>741638916This game was just not fun.....>Hanging out with your friends isn't fun like persona >Managing your days isn't fun like persona>The art direction isn't good like personaAt best the combat was somehow cool but at this point just play a normal SMT game, if this is what people mean by how persona should be more "mature" I'm glad Atlus isn't listening because the plot was boring as fuck
>>741664434t. someone that hasn't played persona
>>741658406No, not at all. You never complain about the companies pushing their shit. You only complain about muh election muh culture war when people point out what those companies are doing. You are not neutral, you're a scheming worm faggot and you should kill yourself.
>>741664434>>Hanging out with your friends isn't fun like personaI agree.>Managing your days isn't fun like personaI disagree, I think time management was way better.. until you unlock the stupid teleport>The art direction isn't good like personaThe art direction is fantastic but it isn't clean like Persona.
>>741663571When you play the game you can really see that she was supposed to have a big ass, the camera focus on her behind in multiple cutscenes, she bends forwards when the characters are talking, she lifts her behind when she is resting BUT in the middle of development some no fun allowed Dev told the team to Nerf her ass
>>741664434I generally like how Metaphor gives you more than enough time to easily max your social links and stats but the game has literally nothing else worth doing with your time so you just end up skipping days.
>>741664642if you play perfectly you get like 1-2 weeks max at the end, basically exactly the same as p5
>>741664642I'm pretty sure that you have a week or so of leeway.
>>741638916>Why did it flop so hard?It did rather well actually.
>>741664731>>741664754no way lmao, you get nearly a month
>>741638916I don't know what this game is about, but it always looked like shit to me, so I never gave it that much attention.
>>741664731>>741664754Nah I didn't manage to doa ll my social links in P5 and I had like a full fucking month in Metaphor, you unquestionably get more time in Metaphor to do everything. Plus Metaphor gives you the next social links immediately instead of making you grind points, a feature I also hope Atlus keeps since going to the Velvet room every day to get a Persona necessary to boost the point gain every time I wanted to do a social link was an absolute chore.
>>741664293>and in some cases you end up being able to seriously pissing people off by taking something that isn't so accessible and breaking it down to make it palatable to retards, like P4's Death social linkI don't think I've ever seen anyone pissed off by Hisano's link. Then again, you're utterly deranged, so the sky's the limit probably.
>>741664790>no way lmao, you get nearly a monthYou didn't do the Dragon sidequest? Or the Colisseum? Those 2 already eat a week on the final month.
>>741664860You literally can't have an entire month of free time at the end of metaphor dude
The game had really good initial sales since it had the Atlus and Persona reputation. It also had a really good premise. It had weak legs because:- the social aspects were weak compared to Persona. You'd think that for a game where the whole purpose is to become the next king, picking a queen would be part of it- the story doesn't really deliver and Louis kinda becomes a retard- catherina was not a party member- the big plot twist is kind of lame- the reclassing system sounds fun in theory but if you want the ultimate class for your character you will not have a lot of freedomA lot of people like to blame these games underperforming on being woke or whatever but Metaphor's problems go beyond that. Take out the game beating you over the head with how bad racism is, or restore Hulkenberg's ass, it wouldn't make much of a difference.
>>741641259I played with the JP audio and I recall them using the French pronunciation.
>>741664995this is just another meaningless "no romance" postits legs aren't weak either, 200k copies behind P3R's entire second year with no season pass, update roadmap or updates of any kind, or switch port until now is very good
>>741664890I finished every single side quest in the game, every follower, and had 19 days left.
>>741664946You literally can. I had every social link done and every stat maxed with most of the last month to spare. It's basically impossible to fail at doing everything in Metaphor.
>>741664946nta but I never maxxed out the SL's in Persona but very easily maxxed out every one in Metaphor on my first playthrough.But it's only 8 events to max them out, so it makes sense and honestly most Persona links could and should very easily be shortened to 8 without losing anything
>>741638916No romance thats it
>>741664304It was not in any way similar to the Satanic Panic and didn't influence media in anyway the same. And more importantly, there's nothing in SMT that's anything like it, SMT was only potentially controversial in the West.
>>741665209The absolute most you can have left over if you actually did do everything is around 17 days because of what content you can't even do until after the last arc of the game opens up (which is the main dungeon, bounties, quests and follower links) and that's with religious mage or magla potion farming to ensure you can do every dungeon in a single day
>>741638916>Why did it flop so hard?It didn't
>>741638916atlas fans want to play japanese high school friend simulators, not RPGs. Same reason persona outsells SMT.
>>741665494don't worry he knows, he got so humiliated in here he went and made an e33 thread
>>741665351>spoilerThat's why I firmly stand by the opinion that Metaphor had no business incorporating Persona's social structure. Same thing for any game that tries to be Persona lite. Persona is a roughly year-long formula that emulates spending time with people over a long period of time, that's why links take many sessions to max. And honestly, most links are almost pure bullshit sessions that have moments of significant character development, it's not until P5 that the links actually became more dramatic. Metaphor with a more basic JRPG structure would have been best, you can still allow for branching narrative and affection mechanics without the Persona structure.
>>741665706I think the Calendar system would have been perfect for Metaphor... if they didn't implement teleportation, they fucked up everything with it.
>>741665786They really didn't, they came up with a way to get teleporting to make sense without actually diminishing what the game was all about
>>741665161>this is just another meaningless "no romance" postyeah if you completely ignore the rest of it
>>741665932the rest of it is just 0 substance claims there to make it not look like a no romance post
>>741665840They did, the part about planning your travel days doesn't matter as much if you can be like Goku teleporting from place to place. I laugh when the crew gets a bigger reaction over the machine flying while they have been bending space like nothing.
>>741638916>called Metaphor>is blatantly literal in its theme and story
>>741665786Fair. Part of my argument is admittedly that I just don't like long-term time constraints in games outside of Persona, I barely tolerated it in the Atelier games and actively dislike it in almost everything else.
>>741666048You're sounding like you didn't play the game because you have to keep planning travel time for the whole run of the game. It doesn't get any easier until the very end
>>741662928At this point I'm legitimately willing to hear her out.
>>741665435>It was not in any way similar to the Satanic Panic and didn't influence media in anyway the same.But it absolutely did, exactly the same fears existed around Aum and similar cults that people had in the west, and the same satanic and occultist imagery was used in widespread by them. Aum was not just Buddhist in any clean orthodox sense. It was a syncretic doomsday cult; mixing Buddhism, since these were Japanese people with anything they could get their hands on, including Christian apocalypse, occult symbolism, and satanism.>there's nothing in SMT that's anything like itNocturne literally opens with a cult-linked apocalyptic event in Tokyo, the destruction and rebirth of the world, ideological factions trying to impose their doctrine, and an extremist trying tor remake reality according to his purified vision. The game is obviously operating in a post-Aum society, where doomsday cults and indoctrination are anxieties.
>>741666240It isn't the same planning 3-4 days to take a lap around the nearby hub that having to plan and 8-10 days trip back to the previous area. We have 5 main hubs (Grand Trad, Martira, Brileheaven, Eht Ria and Altabury) with increased potential with each new hub, insted we are reduced to a teleporting around instead of a properly planned travel.
>>741666050Japanese writers don't know what subtext is.
>>741666412Atlas especially
They announced beforehand it would have no romance and tanked interest from Persona fans as a result
>>741667005you are autistically dedicated to that point. Do you have asperger's?
>>741666402should've moved the goalposts a little more, you have a different travel scenario to solve in each area >Grand Trad: introduces the easy medium hard travel destination structure >Martira: Grand Trad but with way more discoverable areas and you have two deadlines for story events in the same arc>Brilehaven: game gives you a whole circuit that takes 2 weeks to go around >Virga Islands: all the destinations are in a circle and the best thing to do is knowing when to stop and make camp INSTEAD of warping back to town which you also have to think about doing because the game gives you more follower events that you can only do on the runner>Altabury: skyrunner lets you go anywhere in one day, but almost all the areas are hidden behind optional quests you have 10 days to get open You always have to do planning and not the same way each time. You would need a calendar with an absolute shitton of filler days to get direct travel with a bunch of previous hubs to work and games that've tried that, like Atelier Totori, were absolute slogs
Isn't this game just Persona 5 but with dogshit art and character design? Persona 5 is already enough of a slog on its own, but at least it is pretty. I never even thought of getting this game after seeing a couple videos of it.
the idea that P5 is still selling as much as it is because of the romance when none of the other romance games are doing nearly as well and the only real reason why P3R pulled ahead of metaphor's unit sales is being discounted almost twice as hard with way more aggressive marketing will always be funny to me
>>741667078>You would need a calendar with an absolute shitton of filler days to get direct travel with a bunch of previous hubs to work and games that've tried that, like Atelier Totori, were absolute slogsYeah, we end the game on not!October, just push it to not!December (coff add the Magic Academy as a Dungeon coff). You fix this, by tweaking the Follower system some stationary/some can follow (heh) you around during the adventure. They already seem to understand some of it by making the party members stories be focused on certain towns (Junah/Eupha on Brileheaven, Basilio on Altabury, etc.) What I am asking is a considerable overhaul, but I think you get a better game that feels like a Journey, which allegedly was the main purpose. I think current Metaphor is too on the rails, there's barely any adventure aside from some sections like Eht Ria.
>>741638916This thread is a lost cause, but I may as well ask anyway: what's the appeal? I love SMT and Persona, but Metaphor never interested me. Is it just an in-between in medieval times? I recently learned it has some variation of Press Turn, so that has me curious, but I don't like job systems, so I'm back to being neutral.I also don't hear much of anything about the writing. I can take an alright plot if the characters are good enough, but if both are middling then a long RPG will be hard-pressed to hold my attention.
>>741667858>but I don't like job systemsThis isn't for you. The Archetype system is the gameplay.
>>741667834You would need way more than an extra month to account for how much you go back between the hubs dude
>>741638916>Personalike without romance>Despite all the gaslighting about it on this board woke
>>741638916I couldn't get over everyone in this medieval fantasy world wearing what looked like modern Italian designer clothes. Fucking retarded character design.
>>741668320You can save some Grand Trad quests because you will complet a loop to Euchronia to fight versus Louis. You can also distribute the Dragon Quests (heh) earlier but still keep the difficulty around the same level. You can do a lot of tweaks and rebalancing in this game, sadly they didn't have the time or the interest to properly do it.
>>741668508What does it feel like being the only person on earth probably that thinks this because your posts always stand out every time you post in one of these, because literally no one else says it
>>741668553The fun part is tha he says "modern" when they had said time and time again that Junah's clothes are inspired by London fashion on the 80s and the game being a postapocalyptic one anyway lmao.
>>741668553I've only given this opinion one other time that I can remember.
>>741668508>medieval Wrong. They literally have steam tech.>fantasy worldCorrect, rendering your bitching pointless.This isn't how a medieval street would look.
>>741667858>I love SMT and Persona, but Metaphor never interested medoubt
>>741668553Nah it was a pretty common sentiment with the full reveal. The teaser vs how drastic the tone is in the real game is offputting
>>741668508>medieval fantasy worldI didn't know medieval times had guns.
Atlas will get pretty experimental with character designs and the success of the game is largely dependant on that.
>>741668784retard
>>741668784Again, the devs admitted that they didn't like the direction they took with this, because they just made lame DQ.
>>741668716>Correct, rendering your bitching pointless.Thinking that fantasy is a license to do whatever with no need to create a coherent world or themes is a bugman opinion.
>>741668734Not him, but why? SMT is for mythology and occult fags, and Person is a bit of that mixed with psychology plus the fully-fledged relationship sim. Metaphor is a fantasy setting that focuses on politics, it's pretty much the reason I'm not interested in it.
>>741638916Slapping a different skin on the Persona formula doesn't really work. It would have worked better as a regular JRPG without time management stuff. It works for Persona because those games take place in Japanese schools where everything is rigid and structured, but in Metaphor it just kinda feels weird.
>>741668890This is really like saying that the only thing you "love" about persona or smt is how they look
>>741668879It's a good thing the game has both of those thenThis is a view coming from a human turd that doesn't know what a frock is so Idk what I expected
>>741668949No, that's just you desperately trying to create a strawman you can attack. I'm not interested in Metaphor because it's about politics at the forefront. I don't mind a bit of political intrigue in the background of my RPGs, but Metaphor is pretty much all political theory and philosophy from what I've seen. It's a valid reason for not being interested in something.
>>741668879Mad western developer he hyperfocuses on middling trend chasing instead of coming up with something interesting? lol
>>741667858It's a game that was cynically converted into a Persona spinoff after it had been in preproduction for like 7 years to make sure it didn't lose money or get bad reviews. It's not at all a unified vision but it's pretty competent. If you like FUBAR development Atlus games like, I dunno, Digital Devil Saga, why wouldn't you like it
>>741664463Stop seething like an autistic retard
>>741670194fake persona fans should get the gas chamber
>>741668508>insane levels of shilling in a single threadReal organic,guys
>>741670327getting dogpiled for saying something retarded is as organic as it gets you and your phone verbally assaulting someone for rightfully calling you out on the other hand
>>741670251And you need to take anger management classes,kiddo
>>741638916GET WOKE GO BROKEMETAPHOR SHILLS LOST HAHAHAHAH
