I revisited this game and it's weird. The way people talk about it make it seem like you're going to be experiencing a masterpiece. It just seems like a decent little game. So that must mean people project additional meaning into this game, than what it actually *is*. Rather than make another of "those threads" I would rather just ask /v/ what does this game *mean* to (you)?
>>741640519It was the first game that showed me what games would and could be, and ironically nothing has lived up to that initial sense of wonderment since
*I* don't "know", anon. *Maybe* you *shouldn't* put "modern" expectations onto *old* games?
>>741640519who told you that Ocarina of Time is a masterpiece in 2026? are you aware the game came out in 1854?
>>741640832Stop talking like a fag.
>>741640519this game is dogshitwho told you it's a masterpiece?sounds like you were browsing reddit, maybe stay there next time
Curious how there are "anons" revisiting this game every day making threads about it. I'm pretty sure it's not the same person making these.
>>741640519kill yourself
>>741640519The music made people have strong feelings which warped their perception of its quality, and it was one of the wests first exposures to the idea of self-inserting and having a Harem of girls to pick from. We still get people screaming about the women in this game multiple decades later despite all being shallow or boring, just because it was their first.Anyone who played Alttp found OoT to be mediocre, and anyone who played any other 3D Zelda first would find the story and game of OoT to be boring. Unless OoT was your first real experience with gaming, it will not leave an impact on you.
>>741640519There’s literally nothing like it before, and honestly nothing like it afterward either
>>741640519It was one of the best games on a popular console that didn't have very many games. If you were a PC gamer or had a PS1 then you were less impressed by it.
>>741642867LTTP is mid as fuck. The Oracle games captured the 2d vibe better, more interesting stories, dungeons and time traveling and switching between seasons are neat concepts. OoT also delivers the dark world concept better by showing in detail all the dark affects Ganon's reign has on Hyrule's people.
>>741642867Sounds accurate
It was only impressive to people who grew up with the N64 (and not other consoles beforehand). It was their first 3D action adventure game (and the fanboys will ignore all the other action rpgs/adventure games that came out before/around the same time frame) so they were amazed by it. It's just okay, not a terrible game, but its shitty formula ruined 3D Zelda for the next 15 years until BotW threw it away. Unless Nintendo drastically alters the game design in the remake, the only people who will care about OoT will still be N64 cultists.
Who on earth hasn’t played OOT? Why would you be on 4chan, a site for millennials, without having played it? What’s going on?
>>741645710>Who on earth hasn’t played OOT?Video games don't revolve around the N64.
>>741640519it was revolutionary at the time. it was my fav game of all time at the time. I think if someone said it was the greatest game ever made back in y2k then they would have an argument but there have been too many great games since and games as a whole have progressed so far that calling OoT the greatest game ever now is just embarrassing.its worth calling OoT the greatest game ever just to make the gameboy spastics seethe though.
>>741644675>ALttP has a literal Dark World where the entire map changes >OoT has the markets in ruins, which is le darker xD >le Oracle games captured le '2d vibe' better because le gimmicks and le story xD I love OoT and the Oracle games are alright but ALttP is the very much the quintessential Zelda game that all other Zelda games draw from. To claim it's "mid" is delusional.
>>741640519It was still pretty good when I played it on the Gamecube version in the early 00s as a kid. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are more impressive.
>>741640814>nothing has lived up to that initial sense of wonderment sinceThis presumes you had any sense of wonderment when you experienced it for the first time.I was 19 when this game came out, and found it boring. I'd loved the previous Zelda games and had been really excited for it. But by the time Nintendo finally got around to releasing it late in 1998, there were so many other exciting games, Ocarina just held no real appeal. When I imagined Zelda 64 back before it came out, I imagined something much closer to Dark Souls with more 3D environmental stuff. Not all these minigames and "puzzles" where combat is basically relegated to a little side thing you do every once in a great while in between all the walking and pushing blocks and herding chickens and catching fish in bottles.The game that actually was amazing and gave me a genuine sense of wonderment was released just a few months after Ocarina of Time: Everquest.
>>741646829>imagined something much closer to Dark Souls with more 3D environmental stuffHow. Souls doesn't play anything like Zelda outside of combat consisting of you hitting things with a sword if you use melee weapons.
>>741645917Were you not alive in 1998?
Ask me how I know you've had a smartphone since you were a child.
>>741646829>i-i love walking around for hours and clicking attack on the same enemy over and overwhatever floats your boat
>>741640814Man I just want you to know you're a fucking loser.
>>741648317Yes, and I found OoT to be extremely boring and a downgrade to the previous titles.
>>741648805jeez
>>741646829as opposed to Everquest's combat which is 90% autoattacking?
>>741645917No, but they do revolve around the game that pretty much invented the modern video game.
>>741648805Man I just want you to know you're a fucking loser.
>>741648805>zoomie seethes at millennial expressing his opinion/feeling without a layer of irony to hide behind>immediately falls back on feminine social shaming tacticspar for the course for your entire generation; the one who is cringe incarnate, but calls everything else cringe.
>>741645917>Video games don't revolve around the N64.mein negger OoT has been emulated since early 00s HELL you can play OoT natively on PC right now big shoutout to that anon who uploaded Ship of Harkinian on catbox and linked it a few weeks ago
>>741647986>How. Souls doesn't play anything like Zelda outside of combat consisting of you hitting things with a sword if you use melee weapons.Yeah that's exactly the point. My only frame of reference for a 3D game with melee weapon combat was Bushido Blade (1997). So when I had to imagine what Zelda 64 would be like, with no twitch or even youtube for watching gameplay videos, I imagined 3D ALTTP with combat mechanics like Bushido Blade (which I think would look somewhat like Souls but I suppose everyone has a different take on that). I did NOT imagine cucco roundup or skulltula hunting or reading long NPC dialogs and spending entire hour-long play sessions running around villages without engaging a single enemy.
>>741648735>>741649060Everquest was a huge world (much larger than Hyrule). You never knew what you might encounter when you roamed and explored. And of course the world was also populated with real people. It was an honest-to-god virtual world. Just a few minutes into playing EQ and I saw a wizard teleport off somewhere. I was walking around checking out vendors in the city, and saw a guy just cast a spell on himself and vanish. A druid hanging out by the city gates cast a buff on me that let me outrun the enemies.Combat is simple at first, but at least there IS combat at first unlike Ocarina where there's basically no combat for an hour, and then just a few stationary plants. And Everquest combat gets more complex. You were only in Kindergarten when EQ came out, so don't realize that MMOs then hadn't been 'solved' yet. Average players had no idea what they were doing and so learning how to coordinate and cooperate in an online game was a rewarding challenge. When you fucked up, punishments were severe. Yeah, sure, after 5,000 hours the gameplay was really monotonous and people only kept playing because they were addicted to the reward cycle. But be real, nobody plays Ocarina for that long either unless they're similarly fucked in the head.
>>741645917Amerifat tendies on the internet would have you believe the entire world revolves around it because they shaped the discourse
>>741640519It's a good game, but it was never a transformative experience for me, even when it was relatively new (played it first in early '99).Although my very first exposure to it was when my sister and I saw a kiosk with the game set up and she compared the Kokiri Forest theme to the theme song to this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GWhlTk3afMand I've never been able to hear one without thinking of the other ever since.
Ok I recently started playing Ship of Harkinian (with a generic $5 joypad emulating a ps2 controller), my only experience on OoT before this was going to some friends' houses and watch them play and also watching my older brother playing from start to finish on Project64 back in the day, I don't get the negativity from other anons here, so far it has been a pleasant experience for me, first thing I did once hitting Adult Link time was unlocking Epona, Biggoron Sword then the Hookshot, everything else has been a relatively easy and enjoyable
>>741640519It was the first proper "open world" 3d game I played. Mario was cool but it was also just Mario in 3d, but OoT? Shit felt like the closest I'd ever get to a LotR epic adventure. Everything prior felt like a retarded baby toy or something by comparison.
>people are actually seriously discussing this It's the number 1 best game ever made in the history of mankind according to Metacritic which is the most objective way to analyze its quality.
>>741645526>its formula ruined 3D Zelda for the next 15 years until BotWabsolutely, I am shocked how people try to revise that these days, thinking Botw bad or something. like they have to be new to the franchise ironically.
>>741645917black pill
>>741646829>When I imagined Zelda 64 back before it came out, I imagined something much closer to Dark Souls with more 3D environmental stuff.This is one of the most surprising things to me about any video game. When I was growing up I always imagined certain games were going to be more advanced than they actually were when they finally came out. I never see people share the same experience I'm describing.
>>741655227Banjo Kazooie came out in 1996 though, did you not play that? That game famously lit a fire under Nintendo's ass and they delayed Oot for a year to polish it, that's how good B-K is.
>>741640519It was like Elden Ring for people back then. Elden Ring will also be "just a decent game" in 30 years from now on.>>741642867>mindbroken weeb sees coomer shit everywhere including children's gameslegit mental illness
>>741656725>in 30 yearskek, anon..
>features a 3D world that gives you a illusion of featuring a great open world>nails down 3D action controls so well that its lock-on system etc. have been endlessly copiedAnyone who still endlessly repeats the early 00’s internet mantra of OOT being the best game ever is embarrassing to listen to, but you’d also have to be blind as fuck to not see why it was so influential back in the day.And it’s still an enjoyable adventure with nifty dungeon design, although it should also be obvious that it won’t have the same impact as it did back in the day simply because others have copied, built upon and improved on what OOT established.
Its not anime weeb cringe like botw
>>741646187>ALttP has a literal Dark World where the entire map changesadding a yellow filter to the map and swapping enemies isn't a meaningful change. LttP becomes a slog when you reach the dark world
>>741640519I tried this game for the first time a month ago.It was a masterpiece, loved every second, would marry the fish, fuck that one part in the shadow temple where you have to shoot an arrow at some bombs.
>>741657580name a single game that provides the whole package better than OoT
>>741657760>LttP becomes a slog when you reach the dark worldZeldas really need to have a delicate balance between overworld and dungeons. I always found LttP’s dark world kind of tedious because it feels like an endless series of long dungeons, but then in BotW I really missed having proper dungeons.
>>741640519you had to be there I guess. Not that you would know, you were but a glimmer in your gay dads eyes in 98
>>741657883
>>741640519OoT was very influential, so you've likely played a ton of games that were able to build on it, so it may seem plain or boring in comparison.
>>741640519If it’s just a “decent game” by modern standards 28 years later, then that shows just how groundbreaking it was.
What if OoT looked like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbgcVkPkLqc
>>741655945Nope I didn't play that until years later
>>741640519>what does this game *mean* to (you)?It means the thing you just described, it means the game itself is meaningless as it's become entirely been overtaken by the narrative from the specific demographic of American N64 owners in the late 90's who played it when they were a kid and then got jobs in shitty journo outlets and became unfunny youtubers so they could prop it up as the best ever without ever engaging with it critically. It's impossible to simply play and appreciate the game without this context of constant nostalgia fueled revisionism and gaslighting. At this point they don't even realize they're doing it a disservice.
>>741654832>first thing I did once hitting Adult Link time was unlocking Epona, Biggoron Sword then the Hookshot, everything else has been a relatively easyyou're playing with a guide, no wonder it's easy
>>741653182eq at release was one of the best gaming experiences ever, though it got somewhat boring by like level 30 or sosadly the devs only cared about churning out cashgrab expansion releases and killed the game shortly by catering to the treadmill addict retards that would have paid whether you ignored them or notonline games need to ignore the mazed retards
When I replayed majora's mask my prevailing thought was"Wow this game kinda lacks all appeal when the mystery of actually finding out what to do to help the people is already dispelled ahead of time"
>>741640814people used to get bullied for talking like this
>>741640519>The way people talk about it make it seem like you're going to be experiencing a masterpieceReally? Seems to me like the more common thing at this point is people saying it's overrated and thinking they're saying something new.
>>741657661>muh animeBetter stay away from Oracles and Seasons then, which are both two years younger than OoT.
>>741662418*agesfucking hell I'm exhausted
I played it as a kid in 1999 and it didn't really blow me away or anything. Mario 64 already showed what 3D meant at the time. Running across Hyrule Field was kinda neat, but that's it. Years later I actually sat down and played through it properly, and it was okay. I liked LttP much more.
>>741640814Thank you for at least being honest. The discourse around this game would be much less of a headache if people were willing to admit this to themselves. This is the most childhood buss heavy game ever made.
>>741640519did ya?
>>741661604sadly, many games are shit on replaya lot of the fun in mm is the novelty of the time mechanic and figuring out the proper sequence of things
>>741642867>Anyone who played Alttp found OoT to be mediocrare you also the teenager who pretends to have stuck with 2d gta games because you were so unimpressed with san andreas?
>i played newer games that ripped it off so when I played this thirty year old game for the first time I wasn't impressed
>>741662751idk man, there are a lot of people that like lttp better, my bro is like thati didn't really like lttp though because the music is awful and half the dungeons are shit
You had to be there
>>741658130I guess, but it's still just decent now, I would just play something else IMHO.
>>741660561>you're playing with a guide, no wonder it's easynot really I may use a guide for the Golden Skulltulas but getting Epone seemed like a no-brainer and I wanted to see if I remember how to do get the biggoron sword after watching how my bro did it all those years ago, took me a few moving around like my dumbass buying the Giant Knife thinking I need to break it to have it as a base for the Biggoron only to find out later that I would get the base after giving the saw to the carpenter so I wasted money on that shit, the chicken was also a no-brainer but I accidently found out the blue chicken actually works on the punk guy in lost wood, I just wanted to see Fado appear but didn't remember how, the rest is no-brainer if you actually check each and every single kakariko house which I didn once I got Epona but then again I may use a guide to find the Golden Skulltulas and maybe a few Heart Container I know my dumbass can't find, also another no-brainer is using the magic beans, already planted 8 but can't figure out where to plant the last 2, perhaps I should look a guide for that too but for now I just want to enjoy my time once the frustration hits in I'll look for a guide
>>741642021meant for >>741640519
>>741660149for sure, I agree, I keep hearing it's a groundbreaking masterpiece, but then I experience a 28 year old piece of media
>>741653513Sorry video games in your country didn't become mainstream until the PS2, but that doesn't mean everything outside your bubble is fake and forced.
>>741662660Yeah, I loaded up the PC port and gave it a spin, and it feels very average.
>>741663206both me btw
The revisionism isn't working.
>>741646829Classic era everquest really was something else.No game has had quite the world it had. Loved that dark elves were unapologetically evil, to the point that even the much larger ogres and trolls were terrified of them in lore.Also love the lore in the world, crazy how we'll never get an answer to what those glowing runes in some places meant
>>741660149You're still not yet ready for a discussion on the cultural impact of N64. It's too soon and painful for you unfortunately.
>>741663825Also heres some autism of great value https://youtu.be/3KUkfYfvZ6M?is=I489-4L5vOhXsDel
>>741640519You're pantied and sissified
>>741664049bitch, you don't even enjoy DK 64
>>741664543You'll get over it.
>>741664810It has vertex lighting!
>>741640519>decent little gameit's massive, especially by modern standards. It should be ~25-30 hours on a first playthrough which used to be the standard. The zones individually seem quite small if you zoom out but in terms of linear storytelling and environment diversity, OoT is an epic scale game so the only sliver of criticism you have is wrong.
>>741640814>It was the first game that showed me what games would and could be,What you just described is a tech demo.And that's pretty much what Ocarina of Time is. A tech demo. Epona is the reason Hyrule Field is a shit mess.This is a daily reminder that Ocarina of Time went through many revisions and the game we actually play was duct taped in over a year.
>>741640519Zoom Zoom
>>741640519What's the point of this thread? Do you really expect to have your mind blown in 2026 by a game from 1998 running on hardware that has 1/1000000th the computing power of modern consoles? Of course OoT requires context. But on a sidenote the game still holds up really well, if you play through the other Zelda games and replay OoT, regularly come back to it, give it a bit of time to grow on you it's still a game that deserves to be in the hall of fame and shits on 99% of the modern slop that gets released. If only by virtue of not being plagued by modern cancer like open world, copy pasted bandit camps or worthless loot and collectibles to pad playtime.
>>741642867>The music made people have strong feelings which warped their perception of its quality, and it was one of the wests first exposures to the idea of self-inserting and having a Harem of girls to pick from.You don't pick any girl in Ocarina of Time though, the game isn't about that nor there is any romance in the first place. Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons had already done that on the SNES.I agree with the music though
>Zelda accidentally split the timeline when she sent Link back to the past, creating a future where the hero no longer exists and nobody can stop Ganondorf when he breaks free>but Link freely traveled back to the past multiple times by jamming the Master Sword back in it's pedestal before that>also the royal family in the past is extremely mentally retarded and decided to try and execute Ganondorf in the most convoluted Bond villain trap imaginable, leading him to escape>their Plan B was to just throw him into the Twilight realm and hope for the best
>>741666013Ganondorf is essentially a force of nature. Even if you somehow managed to kill him he would just be born again and claim the triforce of power. Same goes for Link and Zelda. That's basically the premise of the whole series
>>741666170sure but Twilight Princess and Wind Waker both explicitly happen due to time travel shenanigans that aren't really fleshed out, and in WW the entire world got flooded as a contingency plan to stop him after he broke free and rampaged freely since there was no Link to kick his ass
Must we really have this same thread everyday?
>>741666013>>but Link freely traveled back to the past multiple times by jamming the Master Sword back in it's pedestal before thatmy headcanon is that Link also needs the Ocarina to travel through time, once he got sent back it was no longer possible, even if he used that timeline's Ocarina it wouldn't work because that's another incarnation of the Ocarina of Time, no the same Ocarina that helped him travel through timeNow my question is how the fuck did Ganondorf obtain the Triforce of Power? Link supposedly got sent back before the events of the Spirit Stones, also he already got his Triforce of Courge, did the Triforce of the Adult Era separated from him once he got sent back?? did he brought it back?? are there 2 triforce of courge?? bringing back the triforce made the other 2 to split immediately??
Will the remake be worth spending about 600 bucks to play? I havent got a Switch 2 yet as it has no games I care about.
>>741666983I would be tempted to buy it because I haven't played it BotW and TotK too so there's the opportunity but then again I'm already playing Ship of Harkinian, unless they also do Majora's Mask then I would immediately buy a Switch 2, better wait and see bro, if the remake is ass then it isn't worth it
>>741666983I've never played a video game worth 600 bucks
>>741666983Just wait for the european version with replaceable battery packs anon
>>741665253>25-30 hours on a first playthroughthere's no god damn way, not even possible
>>741665491This is especially evident when you examine Shadow temple. That place was clearly the first dungeon they made.
>>741667724I know. Thats what I mean when I said 600. The Switch 2 will be increasing its price later this year and I'm assuming it will end up costing like 600 Euro to get a Switch 2 and Zelda OOT Remake later this year.
>>741650885You can actually play it on hacked V1 switchs now as well
>>741665592>Do you really expect to have your mind blown in 2026 by a game from 1998After the things I hear about it, yes, yes I really do. Why wouldn't I when I hear about this mythical game with the highest critic rating of all time. I hear about how this game made the medium what it is. I hear about how everyone bursts into tears with a 60 second teaser of its second coming. Yes, I do.
If you like Vidya it's worth playing, but it's not the masterpiece peopl say it is
>>741666983Oh absolutely, this game is legendary, it brought everyone to tears over a week ago just teasing it.
>>741667935Alright anon list the first 5 games that you'd rank 10/10My personal favorite are>Wizardry Bane of the Cosmic Forge >Crash Bandicoot 2>Dragon Warrior VII>PS2 Version of Unreal Tournament
N64 is by far the most overrated console of all time and was dogshit even for its time period. PS1, PS2, Saturn and Dreamcast mog HARD.
it has horribly unintuitive solutions to it's "puzzles"Needing a chicken to wake someone up instead of talking to them or hitting them.Needing a chicken to jump across a river.Needing to pull a gravestone after being told to go explore a town.Feeding a fish to a whale.Not being able to get the fish from the fishing mini game.Playing Saria's song for the gorgon leader.Needing to blow up a false wall next to the volcanoe summit when it seems the owl is telling you to go inside the area where you die in 20 seconds from heat.An NPC telling you about a drainage hole in the moat so I'm swimming around the mote outside for an hour before I walk past the guards and find a separate moat.
>>741668098Terraria, Stardew Valley, Binding of Isaac, Streets of Rogue, and Zelda Tears of the Kingdom.
>>741666983no. the og game is ass so why would the remake be any better.
>>741667773No guides, no prior knowledge.Most people played OoT before they had access to the internet. The intended way of playing is to actually get lost, waste time, interact with people and explore the world.It may sound like the biggest cope ever but the modern ADHD player will actively ruin their experience by focusing only on story progression. Any deviation frustrates and confuses them. We've seen this recently with FF7 Rebirth, a game very much developed in the vein of a late 90s adventure game and the modern audience freaks out when expected to do anything other than what they are told to.
>>741666983We have no idea yet. If it's a 1:1 reskin then you will probably better off playing the pc port, assuming you haven't played the original. Either way you'll be better off playing the original first.
>>741640519Great question. In simple terms it *means*: "OP is a faggot"
>>741655945Banjo-Kazooie came out only a few months before Ocarina of Time anon.
>>741642631It just goes to show how popular and beloved OOT really is
>>741668098What if I only play games I like and don't have some arbitrary ranking system?
>>741667910You set yourself up for failure by pitting a classic title againt the impossible expectation of somehow being so future proof no game could ever even improve on it. OOT is lauded for it's groundbreaking game design in the early 3D era. It's normal for people accustomed to modern game design to not be impressed by it. It's called the seinfeld effect, for example people watching sitcoms in the 2000s and 2010s didn't see seinfeld as significant because seinfeld humor is in everything now, when at one point it was seen as revolutinary and groundbreaking.
>>741668282Oot has nothing to stump anyone, like where are you going to get stuck at? LITERALLY WHERE. Off the top of my head>darunia wants to hear something green>a goron will tell you darunia likes the music coming from the shortcut to lost woods>navi will say I wonder what saria would say>a zora will tell you jabu jabu accepts fish offerings>sheik will tell you there's a treasure to retrieve in kakariko>the boys playing will talk about dampe coming out of his grave with treasure>his journal will say to come into the grave marked by flowers to get his springy treasureon and on and on
>>741648805>>741662176Not sure else how I could describe 10 year old me trying the first 3d adventure game. Next time I'll add more buzzwords and sarcasm for you
>>741640519you had to be there to get it, OP
>>741668740mandella effect
>>741669405It took me a while to get the song for Darunia when I was a kid. I missed the shortcut and trailed of and did other things for a while. Most of the obtuse stuff is during the kid part of the game and that really filters a lot of players. You'll find that people who say they hate the game never made it through what was essentially the tutorial of the game. After Jabu-jabu, it's smooth sailing where you're following a pretty direct gameplay formula.Again, I think this is intentional. It's clear that they want you to explore and mess around a lot through the kid portion of the game. It's not difficult, but you are definitely sent running around in the hopes that you get sidetracked and make your own story.
>>741642867>Anyone who played Alttp found OoT to be mediocre,Both blew my mind and I played them as they came out. Shut up.
>>741640519it's basically what I would call the Psycho of videogameswhat it did for that time was absolutely revolutionary, it invented the wheelnowadays you are oversaturated with similar concept, so from today's prospective it's just a solid product in comparison
What a frustrating game. Everyone will say the appeal of Zelda is really the puzzles and the puzzles are barely interesting. There's so much potential that doesn't get used and explored. Every time I encounter a situation and start thinking "wouldn't it be cool if they did this", the actual situation is completely basic.Wouldn't it be cool if you could play the ocarina tunes through pure knowledge gating instead of them being arbitrary story unlocks?Wouldn't it be cool if the ocarina tunes had more interesting powers besides making a thing appear and fast travel?Wouldn't it be cool if ocarina could make you time travel directly instead of making you backtrack to the temple?Wouldn't it be cool if time traveling was used for more than planting seeds to obtain one optional heart?Wouldn't it be cool if direct time traveling back and forth was implemented into the dungeon exploring and puzzle solving?Wouldn't it be cool if the few shortcuts you find actually mattered and were used in the puzzle solving? eg, marathon man or timed fetch questsWouldn't it be cool if lens of truth and secret bombable walls actually mattered and were recontextualized across the entire world map?Wouldn't it be cool if setting manual warp point applied to the entire world map instead of only dungeons?Wouldn't it be cool if setting manual warp point was actually used in puzzle solving?Wouldn't it be cool if cuckoo gliding was actually a permanent unlock and was used throughout the game, making better use of verticality?Wouldn't it be cool if dungeons committed to the puzzlebox design of water temple instead of mostly being disconnected room to room sequences?Wouldn't it be cool if the game actually committed to non linearity, not just dungeon order, but individual dungeon progression too?Wouldn't it be cool if optional discoveries like the scarecrow, fire/ice arrows or truth statues actually mattered?Wouldn't it be cool if half the skulltulas weren't completely pointless?
>>741640519I got an N64 for Christmas in 1997, I was 12 years old (yes I'm a dirty old ojisan).I saw what came before 3D games - some great 2D shit like Chrono Trgger and Comix Zone. And then I saw what came after, some horrible 3D shit like Glover and Crox.And I really, really hate to do this, but I gotta quote that faggot Egoraptor - "Nintendo just got it right, straight out of the gate." Both Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were LEAGUES better than their other nascent-3D peers. Not even the graphics, but the controls. Z-targeting in Ocarina felt like an amazing advantage when games like Crox still had fucking tank controls.Of course, I wasn't thinking any of that at the age of 12. I was thinking "THIS IS THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME AND IF YOU DISAGREE THEN YOU SUCK SONIC'S DICK IN HELL". And honestly I still think that too.
>>741668967>groundbreaking
>>741640519When I started playing it on my Wii back in 2024, it was weird for me too.The good kind of weird.Not that weird, but novel for me.I was intrigued by the motion capture in the opening cutscene.
>>741666983Depends if they are gonna flesh out the systems that were in place in the original or not.If it's only a visuals remake, absolutely not, not for me at the very least.
>>741670686Did I spell it wrong or something?
>>741640519>>741640814Zelda sucks it was just literally the Dark Souls/medival RPG of its time. Dragons Dogma blows this POS away.
>>741670440Your asking impossible things for the hardware anon!
>>741670640whoa whoa whoaCroc rocks m8 just listen to this https://youtu.be/0IjeE45p91Y?is=BS7ti8d7o_EODY6Z
>>741649073>OoT is a shitty movie game designed for retardsLMAO true.
>>741640814The first game I played like that was Morrowind. OoT was just a test demo for utter disappointment.
>>741671825PC------->ConsolesThey were trying completely different things anon
>>741662591Do people deny that though? It's my favorite game of all time but I recognise that this is because it was my first, proper, grand adventure game as a kid. It's like doing anything for the first time, that memory just stays with youIt also invented a shit ton of game mechanics that are used to this day, it deserves it's reputation
>>741640519It's basically that highly rated because it was the first 3D adventure game to get it right. Sure you could argue Z Targeting was a cope that resulted only from having a single analog stick but hey it worked. A lot of devs were fumbling 3D games even at the tail end of that generation. 2D to 3D was a gigantic leap that led to uncharted territories that required people to pretty much throw away all they learned from their books and write new ones.
BotW and the Switch initiated a whole new breed of tendie who constantly shit on Nintendo's legacy of good games to prop up nutendo garbage
>>741672123and Z targeting is still an industry standard long into the free cam age
>>741666983how the fuck would we know
>>741672215No but it spawned couple low effort, high output pubes who pretend that happened.
>>741671190Yea I'm sure the shitty looking trailer that clearly wasn't even attempting to capture the spirit of the original is going to defy all odds and go against the trend we've seen with the other billion remakes in the recent past by actually iterating and improving upon the original instead of just dumbing it down to appeal to retards who only care about it because, as massive fans of the game, they can't wait to play OoT for the first time.
>>741672215Not really. What is happening is that you will constantly go into Nintendo threads of modern games and say everything sucks compared to the past, people tell you to fuck off, and you take this as them hating older games. This is because you're emotionally stunted and probably have a bipolar disorder.
>>741672218virtual on
>>741640519You sound like a fag
>>741657580>>nails down 3D action controls so well that its lock-on system etc. have been endlessly copiedThis shit is overrated. Every 3D fighting game had already done lock-on. Bushido Blade was already mentioned ITT and predates Ocarina significantly. In Bushido Blade you're locked on by default and can "disengage" to run around the battlefield. All Ocarina did was make "unlocked" the default state unlocked, and to include controls for target selection (initial lock-on and target switching). And that seems really important until you consider the REAL reason none of the other big players were even trying to make the kind of 3D action-adventure would be so prevalent during 6th gen. And that is, that the Playstation was poorly equipped to handle that type of game (Dual Shock was an optional controller not every player had). PC games were still heavily KB&M and analog controllers weren't common there either.So, if you wanted to develop a 3D action-adventure that controlled like Zelda, the N64 was your only real option. Most big devs opted not to. And wouldn't you know, when you look at the a big dev who DID develop a 3D action-adventure for N64, you find Castlevania 64, a game with lock-on targeting that came out a mere 2 months after Ocarina.Truth is, most of the big devs were just waiting for next-gen hardware. For Playstation you had Crash Bandicoot, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Final Fantasy-- all games that worked well with the Playstation's janky 3D and/or exploited CD-ROM storage space. It wasn't that they couldn't figure out how to do lock-on targeting, it just wasn't worth doing without analog controls that weren't available on the PS1 (until late)
>>741671646>t. filtered by picrel
2026 and OOT still gets a thread every day and a remake. Why?
I'm Koizoooooooming
>>741672790it's the GOAT
>>741671825I didn't know Morrowind and OoT came out at the same time
>>741646187Newsflash: most Zelda games are mid, LttP included. Even in its own franchise, it's on the weaker side of the scale.
>>741640519i have the exact opposite experience. no other game nails the grand epic storybook vibe that oot has, which is surprising considering it has such a generic backdrop you'd think it would've been surpassed in that aspect a bunch by now.
>>741672782It's honestly funny how N64 cultists literally admit they are retards who are shit at video games, especially ones made for actual children.
>>741642867>Anyone who played Alttp found OoT to be mediocreand anyone who played OoT finds ALLTP to be mediocre. seriously, you wouldn't think that the story in zelda games could get anymore shallow than they are until you go back and play the pre 3d titles.
>>741672417Let me start by saying that I liked the visuals changes from the tidbits we got. As you said yourself, it's not an attempt in the spirit of the original.If they are willing to make changes in the cloth design and Link's appearance, that gives me some hope over what they can change for the gameplay part of things.Maybe they'll dumb down, maybe they won't we'll just have to wait and see until they throw us a gameplay video.
>>741655945It also indirectly inspired Jabu Jabu's Belly's aesthetic (Clankers Cavern) and Twinrova (Sexy Grunty)
>>741656725ER is already just a decent release by fromsofts standards anon
>>741672741syphon filter came out like 3 months after oot so I doubt they copied it, and no one ever mentions it
>>741672741>This shit is overrated>Bushido Blade was already mentioned ITT and predates Ocarina significantlyBeing "first" is what's actually overrated. Do you think Souls lock on system was inspired by bushido blade or ocarina of time? the influential one is the one that's remembered not the first, you braindead faggot that can't perceive shit beyond his own gay bias.
>>741673105Atrocious bait
>>741673382Where's the bait in my post?
>>741640519Unironically you had to be there. If you were born after 2000 you just won't understand.
>>741673073>call someone a retard>accuse them of being secretly retarded themselvesIrony poisoned zillenial
>>741673434>cherry picked screenshots>none of them look goodIt's hard being the ugliest 3D Zelda
>>741642867>Anyone who played Alttp found OoT to be mediocreClearly you didn't play LttP or OoT when they came out, because no one who played LttP on release thought OoT was mediocre on release. Quit posing as a boomer thinking it will get you credibility.
>>741673434fuck the art direction for this game was impeccable
>>741645526First, OOT is using LTTP's formula, so if you are going to whine about "ruining the formula" it would be LTTP. Second, even if you are limiting it to 3D Zeldas only copying OOT's formula, it isn't the fault of OOT that the other entries did not do the formula well or were afraid of doing something different. Retard. That's like blaming Michelangelo's David for The Embrace, and therefore David is a shit statue.
>>741673775>f you are going to whine about "ruining the formula"Zelda didn't have use a shitty formula until OoT, which the future 3D games copied.
>>741673434>Every dungeon is different lookingI miss this
>>741640519Along with what everyone's said i'll add that damn near everything was still "stages" back then. Stage 1, hanger stage, tv set stage; not alot of games had that openy connectedness. Even in the following years stages were still common. Start here end there, move past some point of no return and on to the next stage/section. Wasnt a huge land by todays standards, but the game wasnt stuck to just one building or complex either. Plenty of secrets and alternate routes to find too
>>741673543>>741673953
>>741673953>Every dungeon plays exactly the sameI don't miss this.
>>741674093Cherry pick harder fag
>>741640519This game doesn't mean anything to me. I played it by myself as an adult so I don't have nostalgia or great emotional memories tied to it. It's just a really good videogame.
>>741646829if you are not a millennial then you are not welcome on this website
>>741640519You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
>>741673434Peak. I miss when Zelda was good man.
>>741640519I don't think it goes "beyond what it actually is". But yes, people do extract (not project) a larger meaning unto this game.If you haven't seen it through stop trying to rate it. It's one of those games where it's the lasting impression that does everything. It's like Last of Us. You can say lots of good things about it before it's over, but you don't really have a grasp on how good it was until it is over.
>>741645917This kills the OoTranny.
>>741646829>But by the time Nintendo finally got around to releasing it late in 1998, there were so many other exciting gamesSuch as?
>>741644359It's got nothing to do with that. It's the best N64 game for sure, but I was a PC main and I thought this was the greatest game and I only started to reconsider with games like Half Life 2 and later Mass Effect 2.
>>741673913>Zelda didn't have use a shitty formula until OoTUntil ALttP*Zelda became a metroidvania in Zelda 3. OoT reused pretty much everything from ALttP, the 3 stones before getting the master sword, the story, the 7 sages one for each temple OoT is a reimagination of ALttP in 3D.At least they didn't put the Master Sword in Lost Woods or it would be a total ripoff
>>741640519Ocarina of Time would be one of the first fully 3D games of its kind I ever owned. Notice how I said 'owned' and not 'played'. I was already exposed to Crash, Tomb Raider, Spyro, thanks to family and retail store booths, but I never had a PlayStation growing up and ironically enough I knew more people with N64 than I did individuals that had a PS1. Coming from a background of arcades and Genesis games that had steady level progression, OoT was the first to expose me to a game that had none of that. Even Spyro and Mario had 'stages' and 'courses', Tomb Raider was linear for the most part, Ocarina of Time said, "you CAN go here, but you don't have to just yet. Instead you can look around, explore and figure things out." It's what makes repeated play throughs fun because you realize there's items and side upgrades you can gain a lot sooner than you did the first time around so never doing everything in the exact same order.In a way it's the basis for the type of games I enjoy. One where you have the instructions, but how you get there is entirely up to you. And Ocarina of Time is just big enough that it keeps my attention amidst straying off the beaten path to do something else and I don't get lost in overlapping side shit like most open world and sandbox games tend to do. That said, even I know the game isn't flawless and I remember being disappointed that Hyrule wasn't a vast hellscape of beasts and monsters despite Ganondorf being in power for SEVEN YEARS.
>>741644675In terms of atmosphere and gameplay design both ALttP and Super Metroid are seminal, but I find that SNES Tendon games really didn't have a grasp on good narrative , and then they suddenly knocked that out of the park with OoT. There's still things about OoT that feel cookie cutter. But in the end there's a great sense of gravity to everything and it has such a clear message about the coming of age, and how life changes as you move through the years. It's not an Annapurna Depression Game where you play as a guy who lives in an apartment and becomes old and then you see his funeral, but the "time" metaphor is told as a medieval fantasy, but it isn't even quite an epic. Twilight Princess floundered for me but that really felt like an "epic" in genre to me. As did ALttP although I don't think the story is any good in ALttP. But Ocarina of Time is like this Sword In the Stone type of game. It is kinda like a fairy tale, so I get what they're aiming for with the remake.But I just think OoT is a really well paced, and well designed world and linear adventure within that "world". It hits the absolute sweet spot between technically being open worldy but totally structured, and I struggle to think of other games that manage to feel so linear but be in a world you familiarize yourself with but other Zelda titles. I just think it's the narrative in tandem with the clear and focused game design that makes OoT so good. And it is also Koji Kondo's Magnum Opus. The music is so memorable, and feels like a character or its own. In the first half you familiarize yourself with all its motifs. In the second half you feel nostalgia for them as time has passed and changed the land. Then Sheik brings new harp melodies that come with lyrics about what the next Dungeon's theme represents, starting from "Awakening" with the forest temple. "Courage" with the fire temple. "Reflection" with the Water Temple. "Death" with the shadow temple. And "life/rebirth" with spirit temple.
>>741657580It's still influential to anyone that plays it now.
Call me an idiot but Z targeting is aesthetically unpleasing and hard for the eyes, Nintendo should have thought about that while making this game.
>>741658130Nope. It is still one of the best games you could ever play, but if your mileage is The Sims or Stardew Valley or Five Nights at Freddy's, then your taste is a lost cause, sorry.
>>741674863>Until ALttP*What formula? How is OoT's overworld progression and dungeon design anything like LttP?
>>741673434>actual art design Unironically, what happened to Nintendo?
>>741661604Same. Majora's Mask's first 40 minutes are majestic but once you have the Bomber's Notebook and know about Anju and Kafei and realize how much you can complete of that quest before you've started the game proper, it loses a lot of it's luster when you complete it 20 hours later when you have the final requirements.People overestimate the artistry of the game, thinking the main plot is any deeper than "kids, friendships & bullying" or that the game is any more profound than gameifying Bill Murray in Groundhog Day but it's Zelda, because that's literally what it succeeds at. You complete things or do them half, or then try changing the timeline a little bit every cycle, only to wound back up at the beginning and feel empty that it doesn't stay novel if things never change or move forward.And 90% of the other mask quests are footnotes. The main dungeons have Anime stories tied to them unlike OoT which was more of an everyman experience that is technically anime, but appeals beyond it, exactly like every great 80s or 90s anime series also did. Nintendo much better found its footing in "Anime Kawaii AlbumaZelda" starting with Wind Waker, the DS games and Breath of the Wild. Majora's Mask is the slightly more awkward one.
>>741674997>>741675047>this is what ootfags actually believe>>741675215Dungeon items functions as keys to blocked areas. You can't progress in dungeons until you get the item, that's pretty much the bread and butter of Metroidvanias of visit later
>>741675309What happened to...>BioWare>Rocksteady>Platinum Games>Capcom>BungieWhy single them out?
>>741640519Name a single game with better dungeon design
>>741675507Majora's Mask.
>>741675401Dungeon items don't function as just keys in LttP. And you didn't explain how the overworld progression and dungeon design is anything like LttP.
>>741675401This is true. But unlike Metroidvania Zelda is a hub oriented game, a bit like BioWare RPGs which is what lends it a much less monotonous pacing.I don't like Metroid or Castlevania as much as my Zelda because I find it has a "constant" feeling that wears off in long sittings. Zelda really found the perfect "Adventure" flow by having the wonder of being in an overworld and wondering what happens in each corner, and what lies beyond each city, or what else you haven't found in the game yet, and then it has these fully concentrated slices of Metroidvania design in each progressive dungeon.It is really linear at the end of the day, but that is also precisely what makes it good. Its paced with intent, and a textbook of what it means to create good gating in a video game.
>>741675665The items have decent uses in most of the games. It's just Twilight Princess that became overly gimmicky where things like the Spinner only had a handful of things in the larger and more barren Hyrule afterwards. Even Wind Waker has the same usefulness for items outside of their intended dungeons.
>>741672969No, the early Zelda games are excellent, except maybe AoL (though it gets jerked off by difficulty fetishists). They combine excellent, well-designed top-down combat mechanics with similarly high-quality content designed for it.When you compare with other top-down ARPGs of the era, you inevitably find that the competition leans more on RPG mechanics and progression, with more bland, generic enemies that vary mostly by stats and maybe a damage type weakness if you're lucky. Abilities will be padded out by spells and items that just change stats and other RPG stuff. The early 2D Zelda games (LoZ, ALTTP, Link's Awakening) all real action games that feature an array of balanced abilities against a variety of mechanically distinct enemies and hazards. That ALTTP has some cheeses is a mark against it, but a minor one that doesn't negate the variety that is there.Some Zelda clones, like Neutopia, just have complete garbage balance on its array of abilities (not very interesting enemies either, though the bosses aren't bad).
>>741675507dark soulstomb raiderouter wildsla mulana
>>741674189That would be true of Divine Beasts. At least each new item in Old Zelda was a mini paradigm shift that made every dungeon feel new and interesting. Like "okay what is gonna happen this time?" As opposed to entering the dungeon in BotW and getting substitute dialogue about "find the 5 terminals!"
>>741640814play alyx with real hardware
>>741675904>At least each new itemEvery dungeon in OoT plays exactly the same precisely because every dungeon is the same repetitive formula: block pushing, shooting eyeballs, using the dungeon item to clear the last half of the puzzles, stunning the boss with the dungeon item to wail on it. The game never builds on any concepts and increases on complexity, and just repeats the same exact structure from beginning to end. They even use the shitty hub and spoke level design no one with half a brain cares for.
>>741675668Symphony of the Night was inspired by ALttP not Super Metroid. Symphony of the Night being called Metroidvania is a result of ignorance by the people who coined the term.>>741675665You get items in dungeons(Magic Hammer) or by exploration(Ice Rod in ALttP) that later on become the key to "solve the puzzle" of how do I move forward. You even get a hookshot in Water Temple just like in ALttP Water Temple.Megaton Hammer being pretty much only used in one dungeon just like Cane of Somaria
>>741640519Ocarina of Time is one of the most boring, dogshit games I've ever played; its only saving grace is its soundtrack. I could write an essay on everything it does wrong, and how Its influence birthed some of the worst gaming trends to become a mainstay in modern gaming. It's directly responsible for causing the regression of the medium.
>>741675215>How is OoT's overworld progression and dungeon design anything like LttP?In ALTTP, you ring the three bells of awakening in the Eastern Palace, Desert Palace and Tower of Hera to gain access to Hyrule Castle, where you go defeat Ornstein and Smough to unlock access to the rest of the Dark World, where your goal is rescue maidens each trapped at the end of a level. Once you have rescued the maidens you unlock access to Kiln of the First Flame, which is the final level of the game.In OoT after ringing the bells of awakening in the Deku Tree, Dodongo Cavern, and Jabu Jabu's Gut, you get the Master Sword, take a nap, and then enter the second phase of the game where you collect Medallions hidden at the end of each level, which you use to fill the Lordvessel and gain access to Ganon's Castle.Yeah the game's content structure is almost the same. But that's about it and ALTTP definitely didn't establish "The Formula" used by OoT. Each dungeon had an item in the original LoZ also.
>>741676303You get items in every Zelda game, or any game ever. None of those three items you mentioned function as keys, they have multiple uses and the Hookshot isn't used to stun a boss to wail on it like in OoT.
>>741676749If the puzzle the game wants the player to solve is "how are you going to progress?" and using an item is how you progress, then yes retard they function like keys.The same way a small key is necessary to open a door in Zelda dungeons.
>>741673351>Being "first" is what's actually overrated.Being "first" is all the Ocarina can take credit for. It was the "first" 3rd person 3D action-adventure with sword+board combat that actually worked and felt fluid. But as mentioned, it was "first" largely due to Nintendo's greedy platform policies that drove so many of the good 3rd party developers to other platforms that weren't suited for 3D action-adventure until very late in the console gen.>Do you think Souls lock on system was inspired by bushido blade or ocarina of time?Souls was influenced by Mike Tyson's Punch-Out as much than either one. You'll be angry at my saying that, and in so doing demonstrate how little you understand game design.
>>741677017No, most of the items in LttP have multiple functions, are optional, and the game was built in mind that many of the obstacles and scenarios have different solutions. That's the opposite of functioning like a key.
>>741673214Exactly.Lock-on targeting wasn't some genius mind-blowing thing that people had to copy and imitate from Ocarina. 6th gen would have had the same basic 3rd person action-adventure mechanics whether Ocarina had shipped or not.
it was the first open world game and then it solved the genre with it's first try and every other game since then has tried to match it and has failed.
>>741663172>I just wanted to see Fado appearThe very fact that you're referring to the blond girl as Fado tells me you know way too much about the game from outside sources already.
I don't get what people like about this movie. It's just a bunch of cliche lines and it's not even in color.
>>741668967Nothing has replicated OoT.There are barely any games that offer the world interactivity it does, or integrate music into the world as well as it does etc.It really is future proofed and great for reasons that aren't trivial to simply beat through tech progress. There's hardly another title you can point to that's also considered an all time great that you can say obviously deserves its status more.
Ocorina just took the best ideas from Link to the Past and interpretted them into 3d. It was incredible at the time. But in a post Twilight Princess (the best one) world you're just never going to get the same effect as when it came out. And that's fine, as an intellectual you can still appreciate it for what it is. Just cause Mario Odyssey (the best one) exists doesn't mean you can't still enjoy Mario 64 or Galaxy 2 for educational purposes.
>>741678536It would be so funny if Nintendo released the remake as a simple port of the N64 OoT only to get bombarded with 5/10 and 6/10 for horrible framerate, horrible controls, empty as shit Hyrule Fields, shit as graphics Man it would be fucking glorious. Worth just for the meltdown it would case on ootfags all over the world
>>741678878This is what people who grew up with PS1 think about all day in 2026 btw
>>741669405>dude just go around and talk to every single NPC in the game and hope they give you some obscure hint about where the fuck you're supposed to go next lmaoboring fucking game
>>741668282>The intended way of playing is to actually waste timewow. great game.
>>741678720Subtler bait than I'm used to on this board
>>741679321Sorry you are too impatient. Adventure games aren't for you zoomzoom, just watch a TV show or something
OoT is the GOAT, but if you can't get into it, then that is okay.
>>741679420I know those are not considered the best in those series, but it's not entirely meant to be inflammatory, they are legitimately my favorites. But I think the point still stands. An innovative game that is also incredibly influential is going to lose it's raw appeal over time and you have to approach it with that mindset.
Gaming is very important to me and my wife and we had talked about the best way to introduce our children to gaming. Start them off with the NES so they can apreciate the progression of the medium and build them up to 3d games.But they just ended up playing roblox and we're tired all the time.
>>741680481You and your wife are retarded
>>741680532She's not retarded, she's autistic.
>>741645917let me guess, south american?
>>741680481You fucked up allowing them access to Roblox.
>>741640519OoT was the prototype, Majora's Mask was the perfection.
>>741680986This, but the opposite. OoT was close to perfection out the gate, MM feels like a prototype for a much better and more polished game that wasn't properly finished.
>>741681065>wasn't properly finishedHow so? I mean, there COULD have been more tying up of loose ends if you beat the game correctly (like getting ALL of the masks), but it was Y2K, and almost all of the attention was focused on the "Dolphin" instead. Then of course, the timeline(s) probably wasn't as well fleshed out as it is now.
>>741680481I don't know how that can happen without you just handing them a tablet or phone. I'm a single parent and my kid is only interested in whatever game I decide to play for them.
>>741640814I still think it does many things better than most modern games. It has great lighting, colors, camera work, controls, and animations. All in a way that still feels like a game instead of a movie.Nowadays games have a piss/grey filter overlay, no contrast/black tones. They prioritize realism so much with root-motion and motion-capture that it feels so sluggish. They will literally magnetize your character's fist to your enemy's face so you don't miss. And every UI/HUD mimics the same bland flat mobile phone aesthetic
I've been playing Dusk (Twilight Princess PC Port) the past couple of days, and honestly all I could think of was "Wow this makes OoT look like a masterpiece"Combat was MUCH better in OoTControls were MUCH better in OoTOoT has actual puzzlesOoT has dungeons you can get lost inTwilight Princess is such a mid game. Definition of a weak sequel, yet normies will lap it up. Wind Waker shits on it any day
>>741681305NTA but I often hear people say it's unfinished because it only has 4 dungeons. Even though those dungeons are harder than anything in OoT, have a longer lead-up, and the game has many more side-quests that are way cooler and more rewarding. MM feels really polished, I have no idea what could be missing. Any more content would feel bloated.People who say it needs more dungeons give off the same retard vibe as asking for the cycle to be 7 days instead of 3.
>>741679279There's ways to make it more exciting for real, but even in the framing you talk to a character at the top of a waterfall and he's like lets play a game, and you realize you can dive as a standard ability, looks cool, you come out of the game with more rupees than you started and you get the diving upgrade too.
>>741680481>we had talked about the best way to introduce our children to gaming. Start them off with the NESstopped reading, what the fuck are wrong with you two
>>741681905>Combat was MUCH better in OoTyeah no reason to read the rest, the fuck is the matter with you fuck tards, never reproduce
>>741681305>How so?it had less than half the dev time, you needn't even consider anything else, just kys
>>741682253>it only has 4 dungeonsI mean...yeah, that's kind of integral to the story. 4 dungeons, 4 giants to come 'save the world,' and you gotta do it in three days. THREE DAYS...which of course, you can reset at any time. Maybe it's the time-constricting aspect people don't like, idk; you can't take your sweet time with it, and you have to move with a purpose. Personally, that's exactly the aspect I love the most, and how the game feels so 'alive' at any time. You could be fighting for your life against some giant fish in a dungeon leagues under the sea for a mask, while at the same time, the clerk at a certain hotel is calmly making lunch for her mother.The younger generation is WEAK, mentally and physically. Majora's Mask proves that! ha ha...ha...
>>741640519The reason people say it's a masterpiece is two reasons:1) they played it when they were a child in the 90s when the game came out so nostalgia is hitting hardor2) they were told by others it's a masterpiece and desperately want to fit inVidya has come a long way since 1997. Playing OOT now doesn't hit the same. I played it for the first time abotu 10 years ago when I was in my early 20s. It was just "ok".
>>741683309Combat definitely feels like shit in Twilight Princess (GCN), no idea if it feels good on Wii tho
>>741683354no, I will NOT kms. I'm too angry, but more importantly, there are still many video games I still need to play and possibly beat. Right along with that, more anime to watch as well. In fact, I'm going to go watch some right now. It's Sonic's 35th Birthday today. Rejoice.
>>741681612I think part of what made OoT good is the risks it took and the room in early gaming it had to take those risks. The devs were trying to figure out a 3D adventure game, sword fighting, all the shoelaces and foil that keep the game running, and yet they still took the time to add little flourishes, like the camera peeking through the flowers in Zelda's garden. Love that shit.Now with modern games, Zelda is too big a franchise for Nintendo to play too risky with, and it shows. ReDeads don't look like corpses, everything is cel-shaded and anime-esque, and every quest amounts to:>go to sacred meadow of ancient power, where a hero once made a great stand, and throw this apple through a hoop that spawns.>Ya-ha-ha! You found me!"You won't ever see something like the Poe Shop owner commenting on Link's looks and that he could run a 'different' kind of business if he looked like you. Or the conversation between Anju and her mom late at night in the Stock Pot Inn. Those days are over, and I know that line from Poe-boy will NOT be in the remake for sure.
>>741640519it was a breakthrough product in the mid 90’s, ofc its dated as hell.
I wish lil zoomies were banned from this site. This place would be a fucking utopia if the "skibidi Ohio rizz 6 7 crashing out bussin frfr unc ong" generation and pajeets were unable to post here. Zoomers can have an option on Roblox and Fortnight, nothing else.
>>741640519>The way people talk about it make it seem like you're going to be experiencing a masterpieceThat's because it IS.The game was revolutionary day 1, and it still holds up extremely well today. The atmosphere, OST, art design and level design are top notch. Pacing is stellar, and nothing overstays its welcome. Hell, even every single NPC is unique, and serves a purpose, unlike the modern Ubishit x Bethesdrone "LOL arrow to da knee, amirite! ;)" meme spouters.And coming from the modern, patronizing AAA slop, OoT is now refreshingly "off-rails", open-ended grand adventure.And no, this ain't some "lol nostalgia" either. Kids literally half my age have picked the game up just recently, and loved it.OoT also just recently got re-nominated as THE greatest video game of all time.
>>741681905Wind Waker's movements were better too. The combat there felt good while TP felt stiff and not as snappy. A few fancy moves fooled people into thinking it was better.
i finished it two days ago for the first time, it was really great, loved the atmosphere, soundtrack, temples, i also didn't get bored which is weird, it definitely aged well
>>741683410>that's kind of integral to the story. 4 dungeons, 4 giants to come 'save the world,'grade A copium, pass it hererough day I need that
>>741683504>there are still many video games I still need to play and possibly beatbased, but kys anyway, I can be nuanced
>>741683457you are retarded, you are more worthless than anon who should khs
>>741685425>The game was revolutionary day 1ok>it still holds up extremely well todayok>atmosphere, OST, art designFINE>level designNOfuck NO>Pacing is stellar*non-existent>nothing overstays its welcomebullshit>every single NPC is uniquetop kek>serves a purposestopped reading, I tried
just finished it, two witches and ganon were horrible bosses, it really takes a nosedive in the final stretch
>>741640519one hour and thirty minutes? pathetic, this is the highest rated game of all time, have some dignity
