and this is the moment the linux desktop dies
>>741643069
>>741643069Why because valve is retarded? Hows that gonna kill the linux desktop for me. Is mine going to explode?
If that happened you'd be fucked by Microsoft again, I don't know why you'd ever wish for less competition.
tech literate people usually prefer linux so idk why indians love windows so much
>>741643069Oh yeah did we got so many less steam hardware survey threads ever since the last one had linux % shrink again.
>>741643245>Hows that gonna kill the linux desktop for meThe cube is going to flop horribly. The rising hardware costs will make Valve abandon all hardware products, and in turn abandon their linux and proton development, meaning we have to go back to wine hell, quickly getting outdated with new unplayable games.
>>741643409Okay but how does that affect me? I dont care about the gabecube and I personally think valve is a detrimental element of linux gayming
>>741643069>>741643245What happened now?
>>741645072gayben sharted
>>741645072People are upset the steam box cost more than 1 paycheck
>>741645072Gabecube a little bit too expensive for thirdies, sue doomposting on /v/. The reality is that this shit will be sold out within minutes, just like the controller.
>>741643069That's not how Linux worksIf 1 flop happens, you still have the 20 other popular distros to choose fromYou won't find people crying about it like you see people doing about w11 (while still using it)And even it would be a hardware flop so there is no reason that it impacts anything Linux related in any way
>>741645190That was to be expected. Was there any news about SteamOS being made functional and available for regular desktops?
>>741643069it was never alive, the fact that sloptubers like linus and nexus goy tried to shill this piece of shit so hard but stopped using it immediately proves that it was all a massive shill campaign to get people to buy the Steam deck and machine because SteamOS is linux. I'm glad these fuckers will go back to their corner. What a bunch of annoying retards.
>>741643069>the linux desktop dies because valve decided to sell an expensive mini PC during record storage and RAM pricesuhuh
>>741645190>1k>more than 1 paycheckmaybe in india lmao
>>741645343Dont know, dont care because I use steam on linux and dont need a cucked retard version of arch to use proton which is also for retards
>>741643245>>741645459>>741645315>Valve gives linux a massive momentum >Normies start looking at linux for the first time>numbers rise>Steam deck and OS top the charts>All shills are praising the SteamOS and Machine as the best console/PC to own>Steam machine is too expensive and too low powered>Flops>Momentum drops>If any developer or industry was thinking about developing for linux they will see popularity is going back and drying>No more linux developments from big game companiesIt sadly won't kill linux for good, but it will definitely make things slower for them
>>741643069Isn't just the Linux desktop You having free access to computing after a one time purchase has become unacceptableTime to transition to monthly access fees for your cloud computer in your local data center so everything you do can be tracked and billed
>>741643069he cute
Linux will keep growing as windows keeps getting shittier.Picrel, jeets will NEVER experience this feeling
It's so funny to me that linux commiefags need a hypercapitalist multi billionaire child gambling mogul to debug their os and install it for them at a massive premium
>>741645886It may make Valve lose interest in Linux but that's it
>>741646432These people aren't linuxfags YET, tho
>>741646432>linux commiefagswhy, because the os doesnt cost money? foss users in general lean far more heavily into free markets than the average consoomer
>>741645886>Valve gives linux a massive momentumYeah by doing nothing but making retards skew the conversation.>oh look at how click and play proton made gaming on linux!>nooooo its not valves fault you need 500 compatability commands to play and mod certain games!>brooooo just add the exe to steam as a non steam game>wdym? Its too much effort to right click inside the folder with a patch exe, click open terminal here, and type wine thing.exe, its easier for me to open a tutorial with a bunch of compatability pointer commands fr fr
I wish nGreedia experience on Lin00ks was better. But with their controlled opposition AMD shit just works™.The progress made in the last 5 years is immense. Thank you Gayben, but I will still pirate everything.Also, remember to make an offsite backup.
>>741645375>it wasn't alive at <1%>or 1%>or 2%>or 3%>or 3.999999%look at him go!
I have AMD and I still refuse to install Linux on my PC, since it does not provide any advantages compared to Windows.
>>741646224normgroid npcs are incapable of using critical thinking to realize the os dominance charts are fake and linux has been dominating since its inception. they just happen to print a million more networked windows that get opened maybe once in a university basement.
>>741643069Why?You don't need the SteamOS, any Linux distro released semi-recently can run games just fine.
>>741646432Linux commies like Stallman are a dying breed, any success that Linux achieved in the last few years is due to bit corporations putting in money to make a functional server and then a functional desktop.Look at the sponsors for any big project needed for the OS and you'll see that Linux got serious corporate backing.
>>741648161you're retarded it has worked since 93 and everything professional is run on it
>>741648242Server side? Yeah, and corporations like Red Hat put serious work to have a functional Unix-like system without jumping the hopes of actual Unix. Desktop? Hit and miss until Ubuntu made it usable to normal people (non-programmers).
>>741648536It's more all of its competitors immolating.Windows is clearly on an unending arc to get worse and consoles have no reason to exist. Phones are also getting worse and even more locked down. Linux is better than it used to be but it still wouldn't be worth looking at except that everything else is fucked
>>741650131There are literally zero big games that are developed on PC for Windows first and Microsoft, Apple, and Google fighting for control of user operating systems in school/workplaces is going due forever. Keep Linux being a niche option only bored enthusiasts use. I know we've been in "two more weeks until the collapse of Windows" mode for the past 15 years, but even now the average person isn't that opinionated about copilot and AI as the typical YouTube tranny.
>>741650131Linux is fine as an OS and the base was solid (behind the scenes it's unix-like and resembles macOS), but ot has three big issues: overreliance on terminal (puts normal people off), app packaging issues and lack of corporate software support. The first one was mostly corrected by having things like KDE discover or Gnome apps for software and DE's allowing most common user interactions through a GUI. The second one is a work in progress but Flatpacks and Flathub are getting there. The third one can't be fixed except if corporations start porting to Linux, and that's why Proton is so important, because it shows people they can have a functional desktop without sucking Microsoft's salty balls.The only thing really holding Linux back is the lack of a drop-in replacement for MS Office.
>>741651064packaging has gotten worse as it tries to get better. meme related will always be true.
>>741651359I really believe that flatpaks will fix it, just take a look: https://flathub.org/en/apps/collection/popular/1
>>741643069Will someone uninstall it from my computer?
>>741643069>the only reason for linux relevancy
>the only reason for linux relevancy
>>741643069because?!?
I've got the games I want to play and I don't see Valve slowing down on the software side of things because of the hardware flopping
>>741643069I plan on building a PC with better specs than the Steam Machine for the same price and just installing bazzite onto it.
but linux got this far due to people installing it on their computers you fucking idiotwhat matters more is steamos just so manufacturers can put it on their own hardwareand that's outhttps://store.steampowered.com/steamos/
>ITS VALVE'S FAULT FOR THE RAM PRICES TO SKYROCKET!!sure bro!
>used win10 LTSB/C for 8 years>had to occasionally mess with registry and do trouble shooting>go to win11 LTSC>same thing>go to CachyOS>same thing except without the massive bloat of windowsI've always had to do problem solving so it's not really all that different. The only thing that's sort of off-putting is if you go to the CachyOS discord, there's faggots and trannies but you can simply ignore them and get any information you need then fuck off without interacting more than you need to.
>>741652358It's not for me anymore because >immutable file systemBut neat nonetheless.
>>741652358when will this actually be finished and ready for desktop use
>>741643069>do you want to have a steam machine? TOO bad, you're too poor, it's not for you>however, you can pirate a steam machine, here's the ISO
>>741652582yes, but the point is to give corpos something they can put on their hardware, not how good it ishonestly a normalfag should get by with just having flatpaks>>741652608it already isif you mean nvidia, that's not something they can do until nvidia properly open sources their drivers and joins mesa
>>741643069I don't care about the gabecube. How's SteamOS for desktop pc? Is it finally usable?
>>741652432nobody claimed this and you're a literal retard for coming to this conclusion
>>741652694>it already isif that were true it wouldn't be version below 1.0
>>741643409>The cube is going to flop horribly. The rising hardware costs will ah yes because it's going so well
>>741652608never you fucking retard, "steamOS" is just Arch, either get some similar distro or go fuck yourself.
>>741652756>Arch>Arch, Valvewhy steamos?
>>741652432This. No one can make cheap hardware at the moment. >>741652358No, steam OS will never be a general purpose Distro. What matters is software. People will move to Linux when all the software they want has either works or has quality alternatives.
>>741645017Valve and Proton are pretty much the only thing keeping Linux gaming afloat at this point. If Proton goes down, it may likely cause a new dark age for Linux gaming.
>>741652871>general purpose Distro. but that's what it already is, it's obviously not going to be an enthusiast distro>People will move to Linux when all the software they want has either works or has quality alternatives.and no one on linux is at fault for this
>>741652694Corpos already use Ubuntu
>>741653082Ubuntu is Windows for contrarianfags.
>>741650424Eh. PCs in general are a platform for bored enthusiasts and increasingly so. Many people never used a windows machine at home, it's just a thing for office work, increasingly drifting away from what people personally use. I don't think MS will ever lose its office stranglehold but the rest isn't clear.There is a cutoff point where enough enthusiasts switch where it's actually easier to run obscure modpacks on linux, that's all it takes for it to be mostly over imo. We aren't there yet, but it's not impossible, the herd doesn't matter much for this point. Case in point, mobile gaming is much larger by numbers but it might as well be dark matter, people with taste can simply ignore it.
>>741653041It's not. It's a gaming first, console like experience. Using SteamOS today as anything else other than a gaming device is shooting yourself in the foot.
1k is not that bad price considering what Valve has to do in order to produce this, I honestly was expecting worse.I might even predict the price going up soon since things aren't improving with the DRAM situation.
>>741643069microsoft and faceberg orchestrated the ram shortage to kill the steam machine & frame and delay the year of the linux desktop/vr goggles inshallah
>>741652981>If Proton goes down, it may likely cause a new dark age for Linux gaming.Wine is still a thing althougheverbeitly.so long as CodeWeavers stay active I see no reason for gaming to stagnate. We may have to move away from proton, but that just means running all games through Wine-GE, which functionally works the same as ProtonGE.
>>741643069Chasing success over freedom lead to its' demise
>>741645375>up to 4%very nice
>>741652981>if proton goes downpeople will fork it and continue to work on it
I tried to run Linux Bottles to play Dark Souls ptd. It was made steamless. It was a disaster. It nor runs after lots of work put into it. I still can't play the intros because it freezes my game. Bottles also doesn't recognize my controller under games but it recognizes it when I just use an application. I think it would have been easier just emulating Windows 7 or just use the Windows 11 to play it that I still have on the PC.
>>741645886Sadly?
>Linux is dead because a product existsYou guys are stupid as fuck.If you don't like Linux then just ignore it, and if you're so autistic that you have to dream up fantasies about the fall of Linux instead of ignoring it, at least come up with fantasies that make sense.
>>741653904Stop with the meme distros and just pick any of the maintained ones (yes I'm talking about mint).
>>741652981>goes downMeaning what exactly?
>>741653904wtf is linux bottles lol
>>741653509One of the benefits of Proton is the effortless Steam integration, you can simply click play and it will run painlessly. Without it, people will likely have to resort primarily to deeper manual configuration and figure out prefixes and things to even get things working and that might turn off a lot of people.
>>741653904Did you try Lutris? There's also Faugus but I haven't tried that. You also have to choose a runner like a version of proton(GE, DW, regular proton). Don't play on Mint. I had framepacing issues on Mint but everything works fine on CachyOS.
>>741654060Removal from the Linux Steam client, likely.
>>741653904Bottles is a meme, its only advantage is the ability to contain apps you don't trust, but even then I wouldn't want to rely on that. The wrapping always causes more problems, especially with video playback. It's probably what's causing your controller issues too.desu I never found anything more reliable than plain umu-run. I can point it to random .exe files on portable installs on my windows drive and it just works. That or add as non-steam game
>>741654186>I had framepacing issues on MintNta but I had the same. The problem was missing dx libraries, and it was solved by just installing the dx9 libraries from within Wine itself.
>>741654251Why would they remove it? It would cost them nothing to just not update it.
>>741654376I've already swapped to Cachy and everything has been fine so far.
>>741654419>WhyJust the butthurt Windows fan club president's wet dreams of Gabe dying and being replaced by a new CEO who actively hates Linux and will invest money into killing it.
>>741654034I have Linux Mint.>>741654186It also didn't work at Lutris. Maybe I should try it again. I don't want to delete it all and install cachy os now. The games that I have on steam work well with proton.I think I downloaded some dx9 libraries on bottles to make it somehow work there. I should try out Lutris again.>>741654295>umu-runI should try it out. Dark Souls ptd wasn't the only programm that didn't run.
Why do you use Linux if it's worse than Windows in every way?
>>741654890* that didn't run on bottles. I don't like flatpak that much. I think at first it caused the controller issue but for some reason application bottles recognize the controller but gaming bottles don't recognize it.
>>741654890Where did you get this dark souls ptd version?
>>741643069Why? Valve's reason to make SteamOS is not to sell hardware.
>>741654991What makes it worse?
>>741653904bottles used to be good but it started sucking hard last 6 months.Use the Heroic games launcher now, they just had a huge update and the sideloading integration is much better now, much simpler and looks much better than lutris.
>>741655190non-popular indies and modding
>>741643245kiss security by obscurity goodbye
>>741655190There is no working android emulator, no wemod or cheat engine alternatives, and hypervisor cracks don't work.
>>741655064It isn't anymore on steam but there is a version of internet archive. I don't give any links.
>>741654991it has soulalso I enjoy the command line and PowerShell is 100% pure anus
>>741655404>linux>obscurebro, are you fucking retarded? 90+% of the important computers on the world run on linux, there is no obscurity here...
>>741655598You mean this version?
>>741643069I recently switched from Windows 10 to Linux Mint because my old PC couldn't run Windows 11. I was really surprised by how easy it is to run games on Linux now. Like ten years ago, I tried using Linux but I went back to Windows a few hours later because I couldn't play games at all.
>>741655772It isn't in the shop anymore.
>>741655804and as someone who only play offline single player games, I haven't encounter any problem at all.
>>741655115yeah the company selling 100 dollar controllers and 1500 dollar toasters are doing it just to be nice
>>741656229Go on anon, develop, produce and distribute you own gamepad worldwide and let's see how much it will cost and how good it will be...
>>741656229that $100 deluxe controller is absolutely worth the money considering that consoles sell primitive shit for $70
>>741656229Of course they are not. They do it so that their fate is not completely in Microsoft's hands. If Valve could make PC users and manufactures use SteamOS without introducing it first with the Steam Deck, they wouldn't even bother making hardware.
>>741654991Because it's better.It's a lot snappier, i can change how it looks besides colors, can do stupid shit like turning the PC in a makeshift router without depending on a literal Windows 98 SE software, it performs better on my AMD machine than windows including video playback without buggy sound, i can update when i want and the update don't block the usage of the machine, and i won't wake up one morning and see windows turd edition installed on the machine because it downloaded it without your consent or knowledge unless you're in some community that constantly watch the shit.
>>741656997>Because it's better.
>>741646224God this feels so fucking good. Had a -21MB the other day
>>741657075It just is
>>741654991>worseit respects you as a user and actually gives you admin accessyou don't actually own your computer if it has jeetdows on it, you're muzzling and wrangling it like it's a rabid pitbull hoping it doesn't break out
>>741646432if linux was communist, it would be state developed and run like shit, and every other OS would be banned
>>741657663On Windows I don't need to use any workarounds to do basic things, everything I need works out of the box, Linux can't do that
>>741657663On Linux I don't need to use any workarounds to do basic things, everything I need works out of the box, Windows can't do that
>>741652981Are you retarded?
>>741658579what workarounds? is this yet another round of disguising nvidia problems as linux problems?
>>741643409>The rising hardware costs will make Valve abandon all hardware productsThe bubble will flop in a year, by 2027's end it'll have already popped.Let's be for fucking real, none of the AIs have any profitable business model, at some point investor money will dry and we'll maybe be against a second great depression.
>>741645017>I dont care about the gabecube and I personally think valve is a detrimental element of linux gaymingThe only reason linux is usable for gaming is thanks to valve, literally most of the performance improvements from amd drivers come from valve, hell, even the fucking hdmi 2.1 is being implemented by valve because there wasn't official support ever coming.
if linux is so bad how come more people are using it?
>>741643245>because valve is retarded?Yes.
>>741652582Yeah, immutable distros are too good, real linux chvds would never use it.
>>741653082>Ubuntu
>>741654150It's a thing you store wine in.
>>741643069Valve could go under tomorrow and I still won't use a closed source OS like Windows or MacOS. I could get barred from ever playing a game on my PC again, and it STILL wouldn't make me ever install a proprietary OS. I like my freedom, thank you very much.
>>741664430you're not very free if you cant do anything
>>741660027>valve did a bunch of unnecessary shit so I must grovel at their feetLook here little nigga. You know why 720p is called the standard definition right.... also everything you said outside meme hdmi didnt need valves help lol
>>741665025>720p is standardthis is 480/576p erasure
>>741653082ubuntu is a dumpster fire that no one wants to get close toit's not really something that a company that wants to make gamer linux hardware would use
>>741664485lil bro, you know something i'll kek at every time?installing drivers
>>741667572>Canonical Why are British so evil?
>>741664430
>>741643273you're almost putting two and two together...
>>741660027>at some point investor money will dryLucky for us Trump wants to use fedgov money to prop up their stocks because something something China.
>>741652981>Proton goes down,what the fuck does that even mean?
>>741668479Don't mind shizo ramblings.
>>741654186>>741654890I tried out Lutris again. I found a way to play it. Used the help of google ai like I did with bottles. It seems to still not play the videos but I didn't have to do a .bak on the wmvs. It also recognizes my controller and I can play it both fullscreen and windowed. I have some games on dvd-rom like steam. Would they somehow work on Lutris or should I use the add non-steam game games to steam option?
>>741667572Ubuntu is fine, they have the best release cycle and everything supports it
>>741655509cheat engine just got linux support ^_^
>>741667572Ah yes, flatpak, my favorite linux distribution.
>>741669696in a way it is considering it's installing its own equivalents to system files
>>741665096Thats for 4:3. 720p is the standard for HD. Anything more than those and you are a dumb retard that fell for da jews & their mind games
OH NO NONONONO WANGBLOWS MICROSHART JEETSAARS WHY DOES IT KEEP GOING DOWN SAARS
>>741653904ds1 was one of the first games I played after switching to linux and had no issues other than changing the launch options to use dsfix. i don't see why running it outside of steam would make any difference as you're using the proper proton version
>>741670143>600 hours in ds1Based.
today was 9/11 for linux gaming
>>741673563not really
>>741673563not at allwhat matters is SteamOS releasing so hardware manufacturers can use it
I'm so confused why anons thinking the Gabe Cube flopping will make Valve stop supporting linux and proton.
>>741675035Crab mentality windows fanboys grasping at straws, looking for excuse to stay on w11 in 2026.
>>741675035>SINK!!!
>>741643409RetardValve has been wanting to gain independence from Microsoft since windows 8 and their current solution is so successful that the only thing stopping it is external malice and hostility They have no reason to stop
>>741653904i ran it through steam with proton-cachyos and had no issues aside from the jank pc port issues that also hapen on windows (needing to use dsfix, bad performance in demon ruins fog gate and seath boss fight). you probably need to run 'winetricks d3dx9' in the game's prefix and it'll work, assuming it doesn't run with proton-cachyos for you.
>>741675035gulp
>>741677451still looks like a massive overal increase in the trend anon.
>>741660027>bubble will pop>at some point investor money will dry and we'll maybe be against a second great depression.More than maybe at this point. they just forced S&P500 into buying spacex shares, an ai company. They're leveraging the retirement pensions into this failed ai shit.
>>741677451>peaked>now crashingit was a good run
>>741653904Why the fuck would you use bottles instead of lutris? Bottles is shit. Just get lutris and protonup-qt.
>>741645314>Gabecube a little bit too expensive for thirdiesAnon, I'm not a thirdie, but more than 1000 Yurodollars without a Controller seems too much even for what I'm getting.
>>741643069Steam os going to get 8n bed with tge best linux devs on the planet and release a steamOS that can run on a potato and has media and web browsing capability. Even suggests games based on hardware your machine has. Screenshot this.
>>741667572literally every single corpo server is running either ubuntu or redhat
>>741667572imagine using chachyos when you can get the same thing as arch and not be dependent on 2 trannies
>>741680381>Steam os going to get 8n bed with tge best linux devs on the planet
>>741643069the only real problem if valve leave the race is anticheats may stop working, because the entire thing is open source and you already having dozens of proton variations fixing various things valve themselves didn't
Good riddance. Troonix is for AI slop services and PHP servers.
>>741677451buy the dip
>>741643069Not really, if anything Valve has an incentive to optimise and squeeze everything they can out of the pitiful hardware in the Steam Deck and Steam Machine, and improve compatibility even more.I'm already using a Radeon GPU so this can only make things better for me.
>>741643069>and this is the moment the linux desktop diesYour reasoning?Valve makes their money by being a platform first and foremost, and Proton/Linux development is just a step to ensure that they can continue to be the platform they want to be away from any of Microsoft/globalist bullshit.The steam machine isn't subsidized, so they won't be eating enough shit for them to fail as a company no matter how hard it flops. Besides, a good chunk of the price of those machines are the memory and storage, so the hardware is still worth at least that. They also aren't a publicly traded company, so they don't have to play by the same rules (immediate shareholder value at the expense of everything else).>>741645886Valve knows the steam machine has a pricing issue, which is due to the price of components. This is completely unrelated to people's perception of Linux nor its future. Microsoft has intended for Windows to be a cloud-based "software as a service" product for a long time. With Linux you know you're not supporting someone who intends to own your hardware that you've already bought, and has repeatedly been telling you so for the past decade.Fucking OneDrive being forced everywhere is just the start of it.
>>741656229the 100$ controller is a pro controller with more features and half the price of other pro controllers, while also being more repairable and durable. so yeah i think valve is being pretty nice selling that controller for only 100 dollars considering the market for a product like that.>but just buy this 25 dollar 8-bit-do controller that will crap out after a couple months of usehow about no
>>741677797>>now crashingAnother way to look at that chart is to take into the effect Steam Deck has had on it. My interpretation is that the Steam Deck contributed to the spike and crash (as people generally get tired of handhold after a while as they do with other consoles, them being limited in utility other than gaming), but that overall, Linux market share apart from the Steam Deck has been steadily increasing.Linux is so easy to run even a retard like me was able to install it and do all the daily tasks just fine and the vast majority of my hobbies just fine (Linux Mint).
>>741653904>I tried to run Linux Bottles to play Dark Souls ptduse faugus launcher, or heroric, bottles is kinda retarded
>>741684606I have a 8bit do controller I use daily for 4 years now, you are just retarded gorging to expensive shit corpos give you
>>741685047and i had an 8bitdo controller whos sticks (not replaceable btw) broke after light gaming with them and mostly sitting on the top of my computer doing nothing. i'm not buying that cheap piece of shit ever again.
>he thinks consoles don't need ram chips tooThe pivot to ARM is coming soon thanks to nVidia N1 and Valve have already confirmed the Steam Frame and future Steam Deck 2 won't be AMD based. Cheaper Chinese flagship phone SoCs are the future of gaming over Intel and AMD. Android x86 game emulation is already here, SteamOS for ARM is in beta testing.It will only strengthen the Linux platform in the long run.
>>741685471I can't wait until Android is forcefully removed from the ARM market.Google being atomized by anti-trust is never going to happen due to corruption, but at least one root of evil must be removed.
>>741685471I am sure x86 emulation on top of proton will work wonders
>>741664430Remember anon.They can't ban you from your own games.
>>741682884>double clickingdo winkeks really?
