>1400usd for 13fpsthanks gaben
Reminder theyre advertising it as a 4k 60fps machine
>>741651238>>"""desktop""" class>literally laptop specswhat the fuck?
>>741651154https://www.newegg.com/stormcraft-sirius-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5060-intel-core-i5-14400f-16gb-ddr4-1tb-ssd-si1440fbb-560n2/p/N82E16883420040Literally three times as good for cheaper
the eye can only see 7fps anyway
>>741651154Yikes.
>>741651154hmmmmmmmm
SSSSSSSSSTOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>741651238It can run SteamOS desktop at 4k in 60FPS, no lies detected.
>>741651154so let me get this straight, gaben won't be able to afford another yacht and you're laughing?
>>741651238I feel like this shouldnt be allowed. You'd have to set everything to the absolute lowest, FSR to ultra performance and max frame gen at which point it would look like a PS3 game.
>steamie schizo is going to do this for months on end
>>741651238>Enable FSR performance upscaling>Enable FSR frame generationProblem officer?
>>741651154It's with raytracing on, cumguzzler. This thread is flamebait so no discussion is worth having with dishonest faggots.
>>741651607More proof that Sony is monopolizing video card software.
Steam knows nobody plays these astroturfed AAA garbage. The data shows they all play old favorites. Steam machine is probably built with that in mind. I'm unbiased btw because I already have a PC.
>>741651238don't forget the garbage tier hdr, atmos, and vrr 'support' since its linux shit, aka: non functional.
>>741651535Could someone explain in layman terms to someone who isnt a knower some things about GPUs. Like lets say you have this 3060 with 12GB ram. And a 5060 with 8GB. Is the 3060 better simply because of it having more? Or does the DDR they come with scale better the newer the card?
>>741651607>VRRNeck yourself for continuing to post this.
>>741651587Not to mention the massive input delay
>>741651705a new cope has dropped>Valve made it underpowered on purpose because poorfags only play old games ha ha ha
>>741651238never use FSR/DLSS if you are not above 60fps most people dont know this
>>741651730VRR works as it should with wayland with display port. Same with HDR. You should complain about HDMI 2.1 instead, because it's still not working on linux, fuck HDMI-forum. Bunch of greedy bastards.
>>741651816>Valve made it underpowered on purpose because poorfags only play old gamesYes.Is it that hard to believe?
>>741651760The short answer is that the 5060 will ALMOST always be better, it's just 50% faster under the hoodThe 3060 might win in some incredibly odd edge cases, like if you're running a specific game at exactly 1440P high detail (so that it runs like shit on the 3060 and absolutely chokes the 5060), or if you're training an AI model
>>741651870>ou should complain about HDMI 2.1 instead, because it's still not working on linux, fuck HDMI-forumAMD are in the middle of solving this.
>>741651760The 5060 is better. The vram is faster.
>>741651891yes. it's fucking stupid.
>>741651705Steamie cope.
>>741651947Have you seen the hardware surveys? Most players are poorfags playing old games, and this hardware obviously isn't trying to compete with top end PCs.
>>741651154When you really think about it Single channel ram is better than more ram sticks because it takes up less space and all the power can go in a single ram stick AND it's cheaperGaben is a genius
>>741651930It's getting there with kernel 7.2.
>>741651154>gamersnexusOh no, the Nvidia marketing slave's benchmarks heavily favor Nvidia? Shocking.
>>741651760It depends on a few things, like rt on and graphic settings, but newer should be better at 1080p. Once you get to higher resolution, the vram matters more but again, it depends on rt as it could tank the framerate on older cards.
>>741652015>most players are poorfags playing old games>so valve release a box which is even worse than the poorfag machines they're currently using i'm sure you're a nice person in real life but online you're quite a bit of a moron
How's my build from last year compare? Looks like my all-in was $550.I feel really good about that SSD, like I had a bad feeling in the air and just impulse grabbed it and it paid off instantly
>>741652015but this garbage is gonna absolutely shit itself trying to run pragmata or re9games the fucking switch can play
>>741652067yeah nvidia made black myth play at 13fps on the steam machine kek
>>741651870lmao not even hdmi 2.1 or eArc
>>741651935>>741651923So do GPUs do anything with extra VRAM that isnt being used, or is that like just a total cap on what is possible?
>>741652078I can't read that chartGet plapped by hung futas retard
>>741652067its literally mogged by an intel arc 5 series in all benchmarks
>>741652067>t. never watched gn in xers life
>>741651730N-no... not Atmos, the only potentially valid one on this list (i don't know, noone fucking uses Atmos unless it's preloaded onto the OS)
>>741651891that would make sense if it was priced for poorfags
>>741652140Your GPU will do whatever it's doing fine until it exceeds the amount of RAM it has, then it will shit itselfThere's always been a balancing act there, there's no point overloading RAM on GPUs that won't be able to run games or tasks at that level anywayThat said, Nvidia has really started to lean on the wrong side of that equation, the 5060 is a card that does benefit from its 16GB variant
>>741651154>using chinese spyware as a baseline This board is ran by chink discords.
>>741652078
>>741651154>High Raster/Medium RTWhy?
>turn on RT>WHY ARE MY FRAMES SHIT????
>>741651154I would disable RT to make comparisons but yeah the Gabecube is dogshit.That shit is unplayable.
>>741652067>gamersnexus>Nvidia shills
>>741651154so this is what happens when steam "does something"
>>741651154whats 1080p
>>7416525581080p mah balls
>>741652281the 3080 10gb sku was the only time i felt actually scammed by a card
>>741651154Does anyone even play Chinese monkey Sekiro?
>>741651306>>741651509This webm is direct from Steam btw, this box is for troons. I knew Valve was woke, but wtf? I get all my games from gog or fitgirl.https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steammachine
>>741651842Do you mean framegen? Upscaling doesn't care about framerate.
>>741652632it has its own built in benchmark software, people buy it but only to benchmark stuff. if your pc runs like shit on one game it will run like shit on all the other similarly demanding games
>>741652097>PoormaxingWelcome to the PCMR, enjoy your stay.You can play almost all the good games with this setup.It should be very similar to gaybe-box in terms of the performance.
Kek. Insanity.
>>741651870Usecase for hdmi 2.1 over dp?
>>741652734Its one of the worst optimized games in years
>>741651238...lol
>>741652724>Do you mean framegen? Upscaling doesn't care about framerate.both they are basically motion blur
>>7416517605060 will be better 98% of the time.
>>741652827TVs don't have display ports.It's a home center PC.
>>741652720To be fair this is what normal people look like in the Seattle, Washington area
>>741652364Jesus fuck games on my phone look and run better.
>>741651238It can run some 2026 indie anime porno slideshow "game", probably.
>>741652720This is what the average gamer looks like nowadays.
>>741653039the average gamedev for sure
>>741652132It does have HDMI 2.1, but it's the hardware rather than the software. As mentioned, this should hopefully be solved soon.
>>741652832a 9001 year old 5700xt gets more frames in that optimized game though. its about comparing the performance to other cards, all other cards are using the same optimized game its a level playing field
>>741651705That still makes no sense, it's more expensive for the same on paper performance, but it's also WORSE than on-paper because it's heavily power limited (likely due to heating issues, or just cheap components that can't take higher clocks).
>>741652067Bait or just retarded?
>>741652720Oh fuckOh shitI have that exact 8bitdo controllerIs it over for me?I swear I only grabbed it because that color was on sale for like $17
>>741651705Yeah but the point is you can get a prebuilt that is way better for less. You're basically paying an upcharge for the form factor and the Valve name like its some Apple shit.
So the average Steam user is a poorfag playing on highly outdated hardware?
>>741652820I too browse neogaf, the last true gaming forum.
>>741653412>Yeah but the point is you can get a prebuilt that is way better for less.You can build your own for less, too.
>>741651705but it costs 1.4kwho spends 1.4k to play old games
>>741653436the numbers of shit pcs are heavily inflated by favela monkeys and jeets
>>741653436No point upgrading when 90% of modern games are bad. Not even sour grapes. I think I've enjoyed like 2 AAA titles in the last 5 years.
>>741651306>laptop specs from 2017 weaker than switch 1
>>741653436A lot of people have steam installed on their laptops m to play older games or indiesshit. My first exposure to steam was installing it to play recettear on a laptop I had for school.
>>741653391it does have the tranny pastel blue...but really who cares 17 is a bargain
>>741652720ngl
>>741653436>SEAs>BRs>slavsI would believe it
>>741653436the average console is ps4 level
>>741653605>>741653436>>741653543>>741653563Really not nitpicking about it, throwing a wide net, there are so many variations now on the exact same performance bracket>PS5>Xbox Series X>GeForce 2070>GeForce 3060>GeForce 4060>GeForce 5050>RX 6600>RX 7600>Steam CubeThey're all going to run all modern games more or less exactly the sameOnly when you get into ewaste like the 1050 or RX 570 they start actually being worse
>>741653436Thats was before the absolutely HUGE surge of new pc sales over Christmas, like titantic huge so I seriously doubt its still that much
>>741651760Textures, Resolution, and Ray Tracing hurt VRAM.Instead of having linearly scaling performance like with raw GPU power and graphics settings, VRAM is more of a hard cliff. Once you pass your VRAM amount random huge stutters and general frametime issues come out of nowhere and do not get better.Your OS starts swapping data from RAM to VRAM.I have a 3080 and have the "horsepower" to run RE4 Remake with really high settings, probably maxed out with DLSS Quality but if I enable all of the RT features I run out of VRAM and...TL;DR Not enough VRAM artificially dis-ables you from using your GPU's full processing power/capacity.
>>741654106Yeah. The "right" amount of VRAM will vary for every card, it's not something with a straight answer.The 10GB 3080 definitely didn't have enoughI vaguely remember one that had too much, a 4GB 750 or something? Like "Nah why bother by the time a game needs that much you ain't gonna be able to run it anyway"
>>741654106So I wont have an issue with an 8GB card in most cases if I dont use raytracing?
DSP gonna get one.
>>741653710死ね
>>741654287of course, he fits in that audience cuz he is the retard.
>>741652720mmmmhmmmmm
>>741654287why does dsps channel get no viewers but there are like 20 youtube channels that post nothing but dsp content and survive. its like the only guy where the drama channels get more fans than the real channel
>>741654665There's a cottage industry for it, same with LTG.
>>741654456what game is this? unist?
>>741654456Oh I see the playstation controller
>>741651238kwaboty
>>741653710dude noif it was pic related yesbut what the hell is wrong with you
>>741652910I doubt you can 4k 120hz something in there but I get the point. Maybe for indie is useful if you have money to buy a 4k 144hz+ TV. Either way if you have that you might as well buy something more powerful even if it's a tad bigger PC.For indies it should be okay
lmao watching the ESL shills, bots, and /r/pcmasterrace kids shift their talking points over the course of the day has been incredible.Now it's the 'it will still sell X units' mindset, leaving the 'you are poor if you don't buy' troll talking points.
>>741656201HDMI 2.0 doesn't support VRR.It's not even about 120Hz at 4K.
>>741654739wonder if he secretly owns/franchises the channels
>>741656409Now it’s done through hacking, thanks to collaboration with AMD.
>>741651690 The Steam Machine is showing disappointing performance in demanding games: Cyberpunk 2077 (1440p, Medium, RT) – 28 FPS Black Myth: Wukong (1440p, Very High no RT) – 19 FPS Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora (Ultra) – 19 FPS Key takeaway: the Steam Machine’s performance does not match its price, a regular PC costing $1,049 or more would deliver significantly better results.
>>741653256It is also using laptop components, not the shit it is being compared.Steam is using 2230 instead of 2280 SSD for example
>>741651154I don't think it has ray tracing cores
>>741656569True, but HDMI cabal is simply evil.I wish my TV had display port with DSC support.
>>741656409>it doesn't support VRR Holy niggers lol, I don't use it but I've had it since 2018 with my Samsung 144hz display using DP. how is HDMI SO shit?
>>741656628yeah, it is insufficient for me. However, for others, maybe. see >>741652364
>>741656628If these are supposed to be console replacements, why 1440 resolutions? It should be 1080 at worst, but hardly anyone owns a 1080 display anymore, 4k is literally the standard now.
>>741656741>how is HDMI SO shit?Human greed.
>>741656841>hardly anyone owns a 1080 display anymore, 4k is literally the standard now.True, but it’s largely due to aggressive upscaling.
>>741656628>in demanding gamesWhy is everyone pretending this is what people were going to buy it for? Nobody is playing AAA shit on ultra on this. Post CS2/Dota 2/PUBG and shit that are most played.
>>741657049Correct. I will still say it looks fine, especially since TV's make upscaling look better as well since you sitting feet away. My xbox sex looks good playing BF6 on my oled TV, and my computer looks good as well playing BF6 at 4k just about max settings at 80fps.
>>741657086who spends 2000 canadian dollars to play games that run on a toaster?
>>741653436I don't understand what Valve was thinking. People who own a PC weaker than a PS5 or the steam machine are not the type who will invest $1000 - $1500 into such a console. Utterly nonsensical. Their market analysts must have brain damage, there is no overlap between the two populations. These people will be much better off upgrading their computers at equivalent prices for double, if not triple the performance of this trash. Utterly insane. Only consoleturds might fall for this but
>>741651238>*With FSR.It doesn't reach that even with very aggressive FSR.
>>741657316>Only consoleturds might fall for thisyou answer your own question. It is for the retards, who want to enter the PC gaming world easily.
>>741657316>I don't understand what Valve was thinking.When they started building the fucking things they were reasonably thinking that they would be able to sell them for $500 to $700Remember that it was originally supposed to be out in February 2026
>>741657489Literally zero reason for a console people to buy this. Zero. This is for redditors and shills, who happen to be the same thing.
>>741657460you need to turn RT off
>>741657607We will see....
>>741651891Who is going to spend upwards of a grand and half to play indieshit when you can buy a switch 2 for the same games at 450 bucks instead?Worse, most indieshit runs on the switch 1.
>>741657709Will see what? Zero reason is zero, this is going back to the shill 'it will sell anyways' argument.
>>741657786why the fuck would you buy a tendie toy if you're concerned about value?that shit has less value than a 5090 prebuilt
>>741655816Yeah have fun with aids homo
>>741657887tops don't get aids
>>741657837Look at what happened with the Steam Deck. They’ve sold millions of them to this day. I’m sure the Steam Machine would sell only about a third as many because of the higher price, but it would still sell well. There are plenty of disgruntled console players who are tired of being exploited by large companies like Sony and their anti-consumer practices.
>>741657874>like 7 grand on a good day is cheaper than 300 bucks or lessdo NDSfags have extra brain damage today from the seethe or something?
>>741658082There's been ~5 million Steam Decks sold, which is terrible for a console (half the Game Gear or PS Vita!) but oddly enough pretty great for a single model of computer
>>741657316They don't have to make steamos and the machine, they just bank on loyal customers eating their dog water bare minimum.
>>741658175loltendie, if you were after value you'd just build a pcconsoles are all horrible fucking value
>>741658393Your infographic is pure autism but it is pretty embarrassing that the Switch 2 is well under a 3050
>>741651535Lying shitskin award.
apologize to local streamGODS>zero (ZERO) input lag>high graphical fidelty>works on actual portable devices (phones, VITA, 3DS)steamKEKS are obligated to KNEEL against moonlight, sunshine, apollo and artemiskneel kneel kneel kneel KNEELok it's not suitable for rhythm games
>>741658518>what are sales
>>741658584Great, go post a record of it selling for that amount in the last 3 years and I'll eat my hat.
>RTI don't think they ever advertised it as capable of RT, I think the thing is retarded but at least have integrity
>>741658527>zero input lag>not suitable for rhythm games
>>741658267Via only steam store, not retailers (except komodos in Japan, Taiwan, & south korea). That number is pretty good for the limited channel.
>>741658785yeah the audio delay is unfortuantely impossiblebut visually/input/timing wise you can play just fine, I tried with osu and bits&bops
>>741651760In layman's terms, the better architecture makes it run better even with less VRAM. This is backed up by basically any real benchmark. It is only broke "theory crafters" that try to get you to buy out of date hardware at a premium price.
>>741659135And if someone brings up some ultra bs specs with ray-tracing and all the fixings, you're not getting a xx60 GPU for that shit. Even at the theoretical 1% of times the extra VRAM would help, it would be for making your silky smooth 12fps more stable. Don't get tricked by losers online.
>>741658709bone apple tea
>>741658470>but it is pretty embarrassing that the Switch 2 is well under a 3050Not really that impressive when you take into account that the switch's SoC is probably older than the 3050 and uses 1000x less power.The 3050 uses 130W of power while the switch's SoC is most probably under 5W undocked.
>>741651154>Gpu comparison >Steam machine with steam machine cpu>Every other card with r9 9800x3d>Somehow everyone wonders why GabeCube losesHmmm
>>741659925literally what the fuck were they thinking here? didn't they used to have like 3 tiers of setups with less powerful parts to test a few years ago?
>>741657645>not 4kright...
>>741652720>This webm is direct from SteamIt's real
>>741659319i kneel.
>>741651238More VRAM means they'll be able to handle a heavier graphics texture load in the futureA few years ago, that meant you could run games with ultra graphics settings, in a few more years, it will mean you'll be able to run games on high or medium graphics settings without performance issues, even if your GPU is a few years old>3060 12GB = 71fps>4060 8GB = 27fpshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDgXoHQQZek
>>741661630>vram>he doesn't know about dcmemg
god i hope this shitbox kills valve i hate it and that fat faggot newell so much
>>741652015>Most players are poorfags playing old gamesBecause you can install Steam on any computer, no matter how shitty it is, and Steam Surveys counts all PCs that have Steam installed without discriminationTell me, do you really think those same poorfags you're talking about are going to buy a $1000 gaming machine instead of sticking with their low-end notebook?
>>741661808people poorfag game because they have no money. its not a choice. who would spend 1500 or whatever to poorfag game. this thing is a richfag pricepoint to play poorfag games
>>741651690
>>741653441>neogoy
>>741659319Fuark, I rescind my statement as to your apparent abundance of melanin for the time being.
>>741651764?
>>741651154What was Gaben thinking
>>741663760'i just got a new yacht and need to pay it off'
>paying 5k for 120fps 5090wukong isn't optimized
