Because the trilogy has such an outrageous file size, I've decided in order to experience FF7 I am going to play the original PS1 version. I would like a comfy thread to convince me to go through with it, I'm not big on turn-based games but I can relent and do it if the over all experience is high quality. Does it hold up? does it have good music, interesting dialogue, the combat I believe has some real time elements that I could get into. Tell me stories about your first time you got to experience it, is it your favorite game in the series? Trilogy enjoyers are welcome too, but please don't make this a battlefield. Revelation is coming out soon and I can understand how hype that can be.
>>741656478remakes are sequels to the original, so you are expected to play it
You have to play it anyway. Remake trilogy isn’t actually a remake, they’re sequels that assume you already know the plot.
>>741656620>>741656669That's not what my thread is about, you're not supposed to come here coping like this. It's pathetic.
>>741656478>Trilogy enjoyers are welcome too, but please don't make this a battlefieldTell that to the "OG enjoyers", as if one that likes remake cant like the OG.
>>741656478I've played it for the first time this year. Just watch an Youtube playthrough or something, it has nothing to offer as a videogame.
>>741659920>it has nothing to offer as a videogame.it has one of the best battle systems in the genre.
>>741660017It's just ATB but now your characters are nearly indistinguishable from each other and the game is braindead easy.
>>741657002That isn't cope, they're telling you the truth. You're supposed to play OG first because it's a meta-sequel. Anyways, yes FFVII OG does hold up. I quite like the story - it builds up the mystery of Sephiroth very well, and has a thick atmosphere that dips it's toes into horror as well. Excellent music as well.I'm not sure if I'd recommend the original version of the game though. There are better translations available through mods. If you're going PS1, use beetle psx or DuckStation and use a CRT filter. If you enjoy FFVII in the end, I also recommend Xenogears as it's like FFVII on steroids.
>>741660147It's not "just" ATB. The stagger system puts it above ATB. You are not just using fire on ice enemy.>but now your characters are nearly indistinguishable from each othelol
>>741656478The remake is a sequel and you should play the original no matter what.
>>741660451Read OP's post again. I'll wait.
>>741660486This. Adding to your point for OP, the Remake trilogy has the characters getting visions of the future events from FFVII spinoffs like Advent Children. It's presented as a future they want to avoid. Then there's these ghosts that try to prevent the characters from changing the fated timeline.
>>741660147While it's true that the vast ends up so similar minus their limit breaks, the game gives you so much material customization that you're encouraged to shape them into whatever you want. A new player isn't going to know how to powergame it either.For difficulty, that's why stuff like New Threat exists anyway. I think for a first playthrough it's exact the difficulty it needs to be.
the remake is not a sequel. it was made for newcomers. people who keep parroting this shit are fucking retarded. you can easily understand what's happening or what has changed, and the only thing you're missing out on is the whole "meta" lore that connects it to the original game which doesn't even matter. you would genuinely get more out of it by playing crisis core and dirge of cerberus over the original. >>741656478the original is fine but it's a product of it's time. i vastly prefer the remakes. the turn based action style hybrid combat feels amazing and rebirth is genuinely challenging and a lot more complex than the original turn based game.
>>741656478Fuck the house in Neibelheim or whatever the hell it is. Who thought that would be a good puzzle to have to follow exact footsteps in a game where your feet never actually touch the ground. I never figured out how to beat sephiroth at the end either. Shit didn't seem worth it by that point. Dumbass comet bullshit.
>>741661660Disingenuous nigger, they literally have visions from the original timeline's future and declare an effort to ensure it doesn't happen. The time ghosts existing to prevent those changes from being made. Tons of plot twists are also ruined in remake as they're given away with zero buildup... because you're expected to know them already. You have all that other shit as well of characters being plucked from their timeline to prevent their deaths in the OG universe as well.Remake does have excellent combat, but it should be saved for after OP beats actual FFVII.
>>741662040>Tons of plot twists are also ruined in remake as they're given away with zero buildupWhich ones? please dont say "cloud is not a soldier!" because that would make you a retard
>>741662329I'm not looking to spoil OP, so I won't say them. If you need me to list them out, you clearly haven't played the OG either. Unlike you, I've played the original and remake trilogy thus far. How fucking stupid are you?Why are you also actively trying to spoil the story for OP as well? Kys
>>741661392>A new player isn't going to know how to powergame it either.They don't have to, FF7 made generations of people think combat in JRPGs is spamming attack over and over again and healing every once in a while.
>>741662430I have played the original thousand of times. Again dont tell me it is that, because that's such a loose end that wont give you context of anything and it wont reveal anything at all. There's too many contradicting stuff around to make a proper judgement by then. For a newcomer, thats not a twist at all, specially considering theres a fake twist sorrounding Cloud being a sephiroth clone
>>741662576Maybe if you're bad and had to grind up your characters, as that doesn't fly if you're low level.
>>741660359It's just cope, the cover says remake.
>>741661660100% spot on
>>741662586Fuck off with vague statements like that. You know exactly what kinda of twists I'm talking about- shit that Remake/Rebirth state outright, vs mysteries that are actually built up in the OG. Uncovering the truth of the incident 7 years ago is a triumphant moment in the OG, and given to you in the lamest, gay fucking way ever in Remake/Rebirth (because you're expected to know it already!). Even just showing certain characters you aren't supposed to see until later on.Much the shit they show you in Remake/Rebirth makes zero sense to a newcomer go FFVII, as yet again - you're supposed to know who all those characters are already. >>741662778Because they're "remaking" fate you imbecile. Nomura was just copying what the Evangelion Rebuilds were perceived to be.
>>741662919Stop replying to yourself. Anyone with a brain knows it isn't for newcomers as so much of the plot is dumped on players expecting you to know what it means already.
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>>741662040Just because it was visions here and there doesnt mean you have to olahy the original. You dont have to understand every single references on the get go.
>>741663048>Because they're "remaking" fate you imbecile. Nomura was just copying what the Evangelion Rebuilds were perceived to be.The levels of cope here are astounding. Settle down autismo.
>>741663761>Just because it was visions here and there doesnt mean you have to olahy the original. You dont have to understand every single references on the get go.
>>741663946That's literally referenced in the game, retardo. Have you played ANY of the games in this thread?
>>741663761Aka - if you just pretend parts of the story you don't understand don't exist, they're suddenly not important!
>>741664061I said pipe down you crazy fag.
>>741664190Nah
>>741656478just download it thru an emulator.it is too much hassle to buy it on steam and fix it with dozens of files.
>>741664291I have an ISO of disc 1, I figure I can either dump disc 2 and 3 or download those afterwards.
>>741664291Not really. All it takes is 7th Heaven Mod manager and watching a YouTube video of recommended mods in 2026
>>741664652Which emulator did you decide on using?
>>741656478If you're a real nigga you'll go to Config at the very beginning, change Battle Type to Active and crank the battle speed all the way to the fastest (which is the leftmost part of the bar for some reason). Gameplay-wise I love FFVII if for nothing but being the fastest ATB style game in the series, if you do that. Every turn is nearly how fast a Limit fills up at normal speed.
>>741664740My PC is ancient, so Duckstation wont start, so I'm working with epsxe
>>741664851Best of luck friend, sorry your thread got shit up. The best way to experience FFVII is with minimal interactions with anyone online, or with zero interaction with expanded material until you're done - so I don't even recommend threads like this.Keep Xenogears on your radar too.
>>741663978>>741664135You're being dishonest. It is perfectly playable for newcomers. It would be great if you play the OG beforehand but it is still playable even if you don't.
>>741665456>It's perfectly acceptable for newcomers to have legendary plot twists ruined because they don't matter anymore, and to have dozens of characters and events thrown at you with no context because you're expected to know them already
>>741656478Play OG FFVII -> Crisis Core -> FFVII Remake -> FFVII RebirthBy the time you're done. Revelation will be out. Experience kino.
>>741665456So please tell us the value of the story for newcomers by showing Zack and Sephiroth, with zero explanation of who they are and what they represent? Whether it's Sephiroth randomly showing up and stalking Cloud in Midgar, or the sections where Zack is crawling away with Cloud or name dropping him? A newcomer will have zero idea who these people are, and they are not sufficiently introduced in Remake...oh yeah, like >>741663761 said, I guess they can just uh.. ignore the parts they don't understand.
>>741665615Why not? Teasing is perfectly fine.You're stuck with unc mindset.
>>741665797That isn't teasing at all, retard. When your story is worse than a 1997 game at setup and payoff, your new game has a writing problem.
>>741665791>ZackZack is shit>SephirothAre FF villains only allowed to appear at the very end only? It is obvious from Remake that Sephiroth is a ghost-like thing tormenting Cloud and that he had business with them.Do games must handhold you every information from the get go?Again, it would be good if you know the OG beforehand but the twist is still perfectly fine if you do Remake first.>>741665861You clearly don't like remake at it's renting free in your head.
>>741665750Missing some more. ItsPlay OG FFVII -> Advent Children Complete(movie) -> Dirge of Cerberus -> Crisis Core -> Before Crisis -> FFVII Remake -> FFVII Rebirth
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>>741666152Got to your nerve, huh?
>>741666523
Not to further derail thread from OP's intention but for how much this board puts the original FFVII on a pedestal, you'd think they'd be able to have a thread actually talking about it when presented the opportunity, instead of endlessly malding about the remakes when it isn't even topical to do so. Something I've been wondering just recently was whether the idea of pursuing Sephiroth for such a persistent and long period was a holdover from when FFVII's cast included Detective Joe, since it's basically a plot contrivance to encourage the player to explore anyplace that becomes available as soon as it does so, in order to find leads on the pursued character's whereabouts.
>>741656478I recently played the original for the first time and I can say it still holds up Just finished rebirth and as others have stated you'll want to play the original before hoping onto the remake
>>741665791>So please tell us the value of the story for newcomers by showing Zack and Sephiroth, with zero explanation of who they are and what they represent?It builds anticipation, you are left with questions like who are they, how do they tie into this.
>>741667371Who is detective Joe?
>>741667693one of the originally planned characters in FFVII back when the game included Sorceress Edea, who got repurposed into FFVIII, and took place in New York City, a premise that got repurposed into Parasite Eve
>>741667371That's been done to death in prior threads, and if you have any capacity to read- you'd know that people who enjoy FFVII are trying to NOT spoil the game for OP. Sorry, but your vague knowledge of development trivia (which is from the earliest parts of FFVII's development + IE, nothing having been made yet) doesn't handwave how you simplify a key part of the story in order to trivialize it (in a game that's widely renown for its story).
>>741667647Oh, something the OG did better without having to shove those things in your face? I guess your tiktok brain makes it hard to do without things being shoved right in your face without actual buildup.
>>741667830who the fuck put the stick up YOUR ass>I came into this thread to tell someone who everyone's bored of having threads about this gameOK, real productive, fag
>>741667906Keep deflecting faggot. Maybe actually play some of these game syou like to larp about
>>741667973typical angry little retard talking like everybody else lives on this board too
>>741668002It's not our fault you were too stupid to read what the OP's thread was about.
>>741656478its not a long game, you can beat it in a couple days and it's so easy you don't even have to try just play it you retard
>>741667886Totally, it's my tiktok brain, I'm all fucked.
>>741668145Well yeah, if you think that shoehorning I. Sephiroth, Zack, and every plot twist from FFVII before they're built up, you do have an issue with delayed gratification.>LOOK, I RECOGNIZE THING!! DON'T WORRY BRO YOU DON'T NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ANY OF THESE THINGS MEAN
>>741668081>ourI assure you there is on collective of people who are coming into this thread to yell at someone for posting on-topic, you are uniquely retarded in this sense
>>741668269>shoehorning in Sephiroth and Zack Oops, fixed.
>>741656478I am not a fan of the remakes (rebirth specifically), but you should play OG first. The remakes are technically a sequel and much of the "fanservice" is rewarding for fans of the original game. Knowledge of the events of the original is somewhat essential to understanding things in the remakes, as insane as that sounds.The original is also an iconic classic, you may even appreciate the aesthetics and storytelling in the original more. It's a generally good video game that revolutionized JRPGs (for better or worse). I highly recommend giving it a try.
>>741668349>On topicNope! So - you didn't read OP either lol. Gotta love how you still ignore the entire point of OP's post to continue having your precious little tantrum.
>>741656478If you need convincing don’t play it. Playing a 30 year old game without wanting to play it won’t be a good time
>>741668349>>741668145>>741668002>>741667906>>741667647>Mystery, buildup and payoff don't matter! LOOK, SEPHIROTH HAS HIS ONE WING! OMG ZACK
>>741668593You aren't even quoting the right people. None of my posts concerned the remake.Damn this thread sucks
>>741668637Keep larping kiddo
I'm not defending it as the best writing convention but prioritizing spectacle and explaining it later is something FF has done for a very long time. It's basically how the entirety of the original FFVII STARTS. You don't know shit about shit going into it.
>>741668719Well yeah, because they build up the world, stakes and characters first. You hear people talking about Sephiroth long before you see him.
>>741668771And it's great. But when criticizing the remakes, levying stuff like "how are you supposed to know about [x] when they first show it/them," that shit is basically a series trademark writing device. They love establishing something by spectacle or rule of cool to start, and only elucidating on it much further down the line. It's actually something I couldn't stand about FFX because it's constant and Tidus just starts narrating about like "yeah bro idk lmao this shit's weird" until the game feels like explaining it.
>>741668269>just build it up without building it up bro, NO YOU'RE DERANGEDok
>>741668593>quoting someone saying they're building anticipating and then claiming the oppositeweird move
>>741668436>The remakes are technically a sequelthere's that cope again
>>741668916Showing Sephiroth and Zack constantly from the very beginning of the remake directly contradicts the specific storytelling the original story established though. The only value of showing them would be for people who already know who they are.FFVII already has enough spectacle with the Mako Reactor explosions ,terrorism and Shinra. A good story will use that to draw the audience in right at the start, but then slowly build the rest of the story. Having Sephiroth and Zack show up all over that is absolutely meaningless without context for who they are. They're just random by the number anime characters otherwise. It would be like FFVI randomly showing Terra's parents at the very start of the game without anything to establish them.Remember, this whole argument started with the idea that the Remakes are good introductions to FFVII's story vs the original... which actually builds up and pays off those concepts.
>>741669043>>741668957Still tantruming? >>741669130Because they are, which has been firmly established above. I know reading must be difficult for you though.
I feel like it takes a fair deal of gaslighting oneself to be convinced the remakes do an adequate job of retelling the same events. The pacing in the original is absolutely masterful. Not just the story, but the way gameplay and discovery expand hand-in-hand with the progression of the plot. I don't think any other FF comes close to just how satisfying it is to gradually explore more of the world while also getting more of the actual story in line with when you're able to do so. I also thinks it takes some gaslighting to be convinced the remakes are altogether bad video games. At what they do, especially gameplay-wise, they're excellent. >>741669180I guess you could describe it as "hitting differently." I can understand where you're coming from but there's enough people who start with the remakes that I hear about who wind up enjoying them a lot for me to think that they're altogether poorly handling their plot devices. Yeah, seeing Zack is supposed to make you wonder certain things, but the real questions begged during the scenes with his presence are things that playing the original WON'T help you with, like some weird, evident timeline divergence where Zack discovers the party dead. All that really takes is playing Remake.
>>741669296not beating the cope allegations
>>741656669I played FF7 Crisis Core on the PSP a long time ago and remember Zacks death or whatever and bits and pieces about Angeal and the red coat guy I think it was Genesis. Did I fuck up? I never played the original and was hoping that FF7 Remake/Rebirth would be an ok place to start. I never played the original FF7 or at least I don't remember playing it
>>741656478Based, Less is More
>>741669180>The only value of showing them would be for people who already know who they are.It's to build anticipation actually. I know this is impossible for you, but give it a try, try to imagine how FF7 remake hits when you're a new player to the series. Go on, try.What might you think in that situation, what might your perspective be.
>>741662040Are the Time Ghosts ever explained or is that going to be something from revelations?
>>741669590Not beating the no argument allegations
DID YOU KNOW? Zack was derived from Cloud's original design where he had slicked-back, black hair to contrast Sephiroth's flowing, silver/white hair, but they didn't think it was distinctive enough so they changed it to spiky blond :)
wait where did that other guy's anal retentive post go, I made the previous one specifically to spite him
>>741669673 #Remake showing Sephiroth and Zack right from the beginning means nothing to ew players, as they're by the numbers anime twinks with nothing to them.You're trying to play some gay reversal here, pretending showing all this shit at once "builds anticipation" somehow. Protip - for someone who isn't a fujo whose gonna cream themselves at the sight of some by-the-numbers anime dudes, there is nothing to care about, or anticipate for those by just showing them in random scenes without contextThis is why you've been called retarded through the thread. FFVII (you know, the actual game that's famous) built anticipation for Sephiroth by 1) letting us know he's a legendary soldier, 2) his massacre of Shinra HQ 3) killing who was thought to be the main antagonist right at the start of the game. (All without showing him!) Then 4) showcasing him in a dramatic flashback sequence that's missing key points of the story, 5) showing the aftermath of him murdering the snake. That's far more effective for a new player than having a random faggot pop up every few hours to monologue to the protagonist. And guess what? The proof is in the pudding - FFVII is regarded as a legendary game, and only the most autistic anime faggots defend the story changes in Remake, people with anime sensibilities who are constantly mocked across the Internet.Zack? Built up by showing how Cloud's memory was fucked up and there were missing holes. Finding out this character existed, alongside Cloud having memory issues (slowly drip fed across the game), is a triumphant moment and is known as one of the best plot reveals in all videogames.You replaced it with... gay anime shit that removes all the payoff. The fact you're so adamant to die on this pedestal indicates you must have problems with the most basic of stories.>>741669681Nope! All we know is that they show up to prevent changes to the planet's destiny (IE, the original FFVII), which is why they ruined dozens of iconic cutscenes.
>>741671223Aw, "anal retentive"? Name calling really proves go everyone you're not a retarded anime fag :)
there it is
>>741671337You sure love to post like it's your tranny discord
>>741671267That's a whole lot of words to not engage with whatsoever, grats tard.
how did switch 2 users handle this chad?
The tepidness of this thread partially enabled by this tard who wants to yell at people because he's bored and has nothing better to do is genuinely frustrating to me personally, someone who loves FFVII as one of my favorite games but also enjoys the remakes for what they are. In fact, Remake was probably my favorite game to come out of the PS4 gen. Beat it twice back-to-back (pirated on Epic at release), bought it on Steam because I liked it so much, beat it again. If I have one major criticism though, especially about Rebirth, it's how diametrically opposed making side content progress and main quest progress are to one another. They're very disconnected and it can lead to the entire game having pacing issues, which sucks, because pacing is one of the things the original gets so perfectly that it's a major contribution to the reputation the game has, just like Chrono Trigger.
>>741672014>>741671810Keep telling yourself that, faggot.
>trying to 100% remake before i play rebirth>weiss raping mebros...
>>741672932You can spotdodge most of what he throws at you with the right timing and angle, except for his thrusting attack which requires to you dodge TOWARDS him to handspring off his shoulders, like Reno He is also susceptible to non-elemental summon damage like Fat Chocobo Build up to staggering him with attacks like Focused Thrust and Overpower whenever given the opportunity and then dump damage on him once staggered, he's human so he's vulnerable to fire damage and Aerith is a walking nuke for that shit
>>741673216meant to put "iirc" after that part about fire damage and I was wrong, it's not an innate weakness, but it is inherently strong as an option for when you can't deal physical damage against him
>>741673216i try to nuke him after staggering him in phase 1 but he gets to only about half health so i think my dps phase is definitely under-prepped; maybe i need to grind materia up
>>741674147It's been a while, but iirc phase 2 is when he switches to only non-physical damage and starts using ranged attacks, so it's easier to switch to Barret or Aerith (I used Aerith) and deal damage from afar in between dodging attacks and spending ATB bars. It's phase 3 shredder mode afterwards where he starts getting unpredictable.
>>741674147In the second phase, the best way to stagger him is to spam blizzagas. Blizzard in general is an element that doesnt do much damage but it does far more stagger damage, so use aerith ward and spam blizzagas and he will quickly go down. Also, stay near him and it is easy to dodge
>>741656478I personally dropped the original right at the end, trying to get the best weapons, Ultimate Weapon kept flying too far away and despawning, making me unable to crash the Highwind enough times to make it land one last time.
>>741674275Just keep a cycled save before the last dungeon and go beat it then go do all that fancy stuff afterward
btwhttps://youtu.be/pP_EQvcuWRc?si=-Dot78LUeuJwMFkaI look forward to hearing the full thing but I'll be pissed if this is filling in for Uematsu writing a third theme for Revelation
>>741674486That was ages ago on a PSP that doesn't work anymore. I'm not as motivated to play through it again.
>>741656478It blew my 11 year old mind and got me into the rpg genre. The story is top notch, but the translation is a bit wonky at times - over the years I've come to see that as part of its charm though.
>>741675190Damn shame. The ancient forest you access from beating Ultima Weapon is pretty cool (I think you can use specially bred chocobos like black or gold to get there as well)
>>741656478Should I play FF VII with my wife co op?Has anyone here tried playing FF VII "co op"? (Using multiple controllers and having each player control a specific character)I know VII doesn't have the function natively unlike some other FF games but I'll just get 2 controllers to be p1 and that'll be close enough with each player just taking the turn when it comes up for "their character"Has anyone played any FF like this? Was it any fun for you personally? if it's not fun at all I'll probably just let's play it for her Does VII engage with it's ATB combat often in a way that would make it feel active with multiple players? I played the start and saw the scorpion boss actually made you wait in real time to attack again, does that happen a lot? Image of Taiga provided to make anons happy
>>741662778>the cover says remake.It’s REMAKE, not Remake
