>same specs>nearly $500 cheaperWhat the fuck is valve doing?
I'll still support valve over whatever tranny company this iskeep seething
it only has a shitty iGPU tho
>>741657082>made in china garbageI don't think so zhang
>>741657186as an actual pc gamer, I don't care about brand loyalty. If valve is releasing slop, I aint buying it, simple as.
that doesn't have a gpu?
>>741657312Has he not won you over with all his steam sales, steam controller, and steam deck? Surely anon you would buy his latest prized product in support of such a magnificent company?
>>741657082This is a PC.The Steam Machine is not being marketed towards PC users.The audience is console users who want to play PC games but don't know how to use a PC.
>>741657082>>741657241>>741657408pic related is a better comparison>smaller than Machine>roughly same price>significantly better spec
>>741657408Neither does the gabecube
>>741657529>1440p+RT on 8GB cardsbig brain benchmark
>>741657082not the same specs dumbass
>>741657082>way more ports too
>>741657431Steam doesn't have brand loyalty. What's happening now is just like the first Steam Machines, but you wouldn't remember because you didn't buy that either. Stop larping.
>>741657082>>741657526Now find one of these still alive after 1 year of use
>>741660435>le strawman
>>741660435the minisforum prebuilt has a 2 year warranty
>>741660832You should look up words before using them.>>741660932good luck getting your money back from a shell chink company
>>741657082Yeah bro, tell a normie to buy a Minisforum instead of the official cube made by Valve.
>>741661061they are a legit company, popular with miniPC enthusiasts even
people like valvepeople like steampeople want a heckin square gabe cubesimple as that. (not me but I understand)
>>741661137Do they have at least an office in the US?
Even if the specs are better, Valve will optimize the OS and get devs to optimize their games for it, with a console games are guaranteed to run.
>>741660932>>741661137You only have a warranty, which they will likely deny anyway, if you purchase directly from the company's website.No warranty from amazon
>>741657520So they're going after the nonexistent market that doomed the original Steam Machines a decade ago?
>>741657278Where do you think the SteamCube is made?
You buy a Steam machine because it suits you and you know Valve will support it for years. If you need to be convinced to get one then it's not for you
>>741661492that's if you bought it from a third party on amazon, dumbass. The listing posted is sold by MINISFORUM US and would absolutely get the 2 year warranty
>>741657526>tiny ass heatsink>so compact the airflow is abysmaljesus how handicapped is the performance to keep that thing from melting?
>>741661420>Valve will optimize the OSIt's fucking Linux anon
>>741661883Steam Machine has pretty bad airflow too, honestly. GN points this out in their review and ran additional benchmarks using their own 3D-printed front grill.
>>741661865No.You only get any warranty at all if you bought from their store: https://store.minisforum.com
>>741661901It's Linux intended for gaming. Less bloat.
>>741661954the steam machine is like 50% heatsinkbad airflow or not, that's still more reassuring passively than that fire hazard above
>>741661974email them if you don't believe me, retard.
>>741661865>>741661974 (me)And since I know you're going to say>THAT INCLUDES AMAZON TOO ACTUALLYHere they literally spell it out for you.>>741662173LMAO
>>741662053CashyOS is better and less bloated
>>741662194email them, they provide a 2 year warranty on amazon as well. One of the video reviews on the page even outright confirms this
>Steam Troons finally outed publicly as being more of a cult than AppleGOD GABEN DEMANDS MORE YACHTS, BUY THE SLOP, QUESTION NOTHING, HAIL VALVE
>>741661492>>741661865>>741661883>>741662194>>741662297pointless strawman argument as it's the same price on their own store regardless
>>741657082>same specs>radeon 760mCome on now
>>741662297>One of the video reviews on the pageWell that settles it. Nobody ever lied in amazon product reviews.I just have to ignore what they said 3 times on their actual refund policy on their website and trust Mr 100% legit amazon review guy.
>>741662432At least you admit you were lying about the their warranty/refund policy. But you still don't understand what strawman means.
>>741662545Buy it on their own site then retard what difference does it make
>look up reviews and videos of performance>it doesnt do much better then a steam deckI thought steam machine was going to be 6x as powerful.
>>741662654I wasn't lying, I was going by what reviews state as their experiences. Even if that is not true, it literally doesn't matter as the price is the same on both storefronts. What a pointlessly petty argument.>But you still don't understand what strawman means.That was a different anon
>>741657082Small Form Factor, no subsidizing, and having to try to basically manage their own part acquiring versus being part of contractor deals to automatically get the scraps like actual tech producers. People seriously underestimate SFF especially, fitting all those custom components into a small cube is an engineering and budgetary nightmare.
>>741662779>That was a different anonExcept I only quoted your post where you incorrectly used the word strawman.
>>741661954Did you watch the video? They literally said it was good. Steve also bragged that he can do better.
>>741657082Gabe needs another yacht, wagie
>>741662942Look at the reply chain again, 2 anons replied to you at first.
>>741662432>>741657082>>741657526Laws of thermodynamics say these are loud and hot. SSF is a pyrrhic victory for anything beyond a netflix box.
but isn't the sm using an nvme and a better cpu?
>>741662985Steve has been glazing Valve, it's obvious by the benchmarks themsevles that the thermals/throttled performance is bad. He acted like the single channel memory wasn't an issue either, even though he's lambasted prebuilts over this in the past.
>>741657082why would ANYONE that's not retarded think of buying a tiny memebox instead of a real pc tower
>>741663039>Look at the reply chain again>>741662654is me replying to >>741662432 which is the post where you incorrectly said >pointless strawman argument
>>741663209>*still* don't knowimplies I made the initial >le strawman comment, which I did not.
>>741657082>>741657526The thing with these other prebuilt PCs is that they don't come with Valve support or the convenience of hundreds of thousands of other people having the exact same machine as you.
>>741663361>they don't come with Valve supportis that even meaningful at all?is their hardware support any good?'eckers, gonna need one of you to weigh in here
XBOX gotta be relieved at this clown show taking the heat of their recent failures, we have a new worst console in town, lol
>>741657082>What the fuck is valve doing?gaben needs another superyacht
>>741658747You are delusional if you don’t think hardcore valve fanboys exist. They’re all over the internet right now defending the steam machine
>>741663351fair enough, I'm perfectly happy letting you pretend that you're one out of two retards that don't understand what strawman means and keep using it incorrectly in this thread
>>741663432Steam Deck support's been pretty good actually. AMAs were efficient when you're in the warranty range, and there's no small assortment of individual bits of information, community factors, replacement parts to sift through when you need them. it just requires actually having a technical interest to know how to talk and find on it, instead of being a casual consumer that's pick up and play focused.
>>741663540The entire warranty argument was a strawman and you know it anon. It was completely irrelevant to the argument being made.
>>741663530>saar I make big poopie for years>saaaar everyone who complain of smell is steamie saaaar
>>741663547>requires actually having a technical interest to know how to talk and find on it, instead of being a casual consumer that's pick up and play focused.But isn't their target audience supposed to be casuals? If not, who is the Steam Machine actually for???
>>741657082It still sold out in a day lol, should have charged more
>>741657186Valve literally employs trannies and puts them in their marketing anon
>>741663501can you mod your games on your xbox thoughyou're probably too busy renewing your 60 bucks a year subscription for online functionality though, my bad
If you aren't constraining yourself to the mini-ITX form factor (you shouldn't unless you live in a liberal shithole), you can get better PCs for cheaper.
>>741663634That's not what strawman means. I wasn't misrepresenting your argument in order to make it easier to attack.You posted about a shitty chink minipc > I made a post talking about how those usually have a short lifespan > you cried strawman > I said you don't understand what that means > you said they have a 2y warranty and posted a screencap of amazon > I looked the policy on their website and saw that it literally only applies to purchases made on their own site > you said that's not true > I posted more evidence > you said it wasn't true again > I posted a direct quote where they said in nonambiguous way that it only applies to their own site > then you cried about strawman again.Now if you're back to pretending you're two different people feel free to re-organize the order or differentiate between you and your alter ego.
>>741657186You retard, the first image of people using the Steam Machine on its product page is a fat retarded lesbian and a gross tranny. The next image is of a mixed spic girl streaming. Then some random arab looking guy at a desk. >Valve not a tranny company
>>741664282But don't you understand? My bitch wife gets the ick from having a full PC near the TV. The when bull visits he is gonna laugh at me.
>>741663202I've seen steamies in other threads say they will bring it over to their friends' houses to game and party. Yeah, these retards think we believe they have friends but aren't just playing online over discord.
>>741664301>I made a post talking about how those usually have a short lifespan > you cried strawmanThis didn't happen, that was a different anon.Not going to bother reading the rest of your post as it's a waste of time.
>>741663727Yeah, and a standardized PC with a large community is a plus for casuals.
>>741663125Watch the fucking review instead of making shit up. The only throttling that was present was TDP profile, it didn't throttle thermally. In case you don't understand what the difference is - thermal throttling means "Device gets too hot and throttles to save itself". This isn't what was happening.If you think any small form factor PC without a huge heat sink isn't gonna have to be set up exactly this way, you're completely clueless.I mean I guess you can run at 95C and then actually thermal throttle which some systems do, but that's fucked.
>>741664406casuals aren't going to browse the steamcommunity forums anon
>>741657082>it's about quality and calibration Not the same parts. Do you even microcontroller?
>>741657526>All this bullshit over the GabeCube will finally fool autists into giving me a definitive answer on what Mini/MicroPC I should buy for my living room emu/Jellyfin boxSo glad you slaves exist, holy fuck.
>>741664397That's fine, you should still look up what strawman is, and so should your alter-ego
>>741664552Don't buy a minipc, retard.Buy a regular computer instead since it is cheaper, has better thermals, doesn't die early/thermal-throttle, and the best part you can actually upgrade almost every single part of it provided you don't buy a dead socket motherboard
>>741658063Maybe companies need to stop using/producing 8GB cards.
>>741664458First off, I did not say it was thermally throttling. I said:>the thermals/throttled performance is badand yes, they throttled the performance for the sake of the thermal profile BECAUSE the thermals are objectively poor (as GN's measurements showed)HOWEVER, since you've brought it up, you can clearly see in their own review that their modified from plate improved sustained clock boosts on the CPU because it actually is thermally throttling with the stock front panel. Pic related (also see 17:54 in the video)
>>741665278Gaining 50 MHz in furmark (best case) is nothing. It's not gonna make a difference in actual game workloads. That's too small of an improvement.
why they didn't cancel it?
>>741664493Anon, even console players have issues they have to Google. The difference is, it's way easier to find a fix when you know everyone else is using the exact same hardware as you
>>741657082>Not SteamOSleave your goybox in the trash bin Rajeesh.
>>741657186No one who pc games talks like this kind of faggot, who are you trying to convince??
>>741657082Just buy one and install steamOS on it then
>>741660435pic related is the same brand and going on year 3, but I only use it for TV media stuff. I did try playing some basic stuff on it and it was all fine but it was never my intended purpose for it.
>>741664307You calling anyone a retard while falling for extremely blatant bait is pretty funny
>>741657082you forgot>runs Steam and Epic and Battle.net and EA App and whatever the fuck you want under Windows
>>741662142It's ridiculous how mini-pc makers cripple their own products by neglecting thermals.
>>741664458>>741665548Ryzen CPUs are designed to boost until they throttle. Literally, they will push themselves to maximize performance until they reach their ~90C tjmax and will then throttle via reducing clocks, that is by design. Nearly all ryzen CPUs do this.
I grabbed a lenovo legion laptop with a 4080 and i9 for like 1600$ almost 3 years ago and it seems like it'll continue to massively shit on all new "portable" options for years to come.I love technological progress.
>>741666089now why would you intentionally lock yourself in the walled garden that is Steam
>>741663125>>741661954For a small form factor device, this is overkill.
>>741657082>windows 11
>>741666883show us your OS right now
>>741666780Ryzen CPUs will only boost to the TDP maximum no matter what the temp is. Desktop ones might not realistically ever hit it unless they are 65W but the Steam Box is 30W. If the TDP maximum is reached before 90C (which is the case with the Steam Box) it's not gonna go higher. Lower temperatures will slightly increase performance. 50MHz sounds about what you'd get from a few degrees lower temp since lower temp will lower the power required for same clock speed.
>>741662142zamn, beefy cooling is reassuringI just wish 2tb was the biggest storage you could get, for 1300 no lesshow much can those micro sds or whatever reliable fit
>>741662691>6x as powerfulit kind of is
>>741667082Only true of hard power limit TDP caps, and not of desktop class hardware. A desktop 65W CPU will still routinely exceed its 65W TDP rating, TDP is not a power limit. On a true desktop-class CPU, temperature is very often the limiting factor (especially of Ryzen CPUs)Pity Valve lied about the Steam Machine being desktop class then.
>>741664307*phlegm swallowing sounds*
>>741667226>>741667324Honestly the Steam Machine is about on par with a PS5, maybe slightly below but not to any significant degree that would be noticeable by the average consumer. The settings and resolutions it should be running aren't typically gonna get throttled at 8GB of VRAM, there'll be other bottlenecks first. VRAM is usually for high end textures / raytracing. Its biggest limit is literally being specced for 2020 levels of output, and raytracing being dogshit on most AMD hardware in general below the very best. The problem is "4k60 with FSR" had people wanting it to be markedly better than a PS5/XSX when that was never going to be the case.
>>741666828>walled garden that is Steam>steamOs>linux>walled gardenAnon do you even know how computers work?
if you're not gonna buy this, why do you even care?
>>741667497I'm a CompSci mayor so no
>>741667324I have a 65W desktop CPU, it adheres to TDP limits when it's not uncapped. It will never ever reach temp limit. Not even close. It might reach it when the temp limit is lowered to 85 or below but only in single core workloads, 0% chance it will reach temp limit on 16 thread load.When uncapped it reaches temp limit of 75C at 4.7GHz (NO AVX) at 95W. Pushes more wattage at 95C, but efficiency is dogshit at temps like that.
if you buy a PS5 Pro you get to play GTA6
>>741664552used lenovo mini PC with ryzen gpu. get a recent one with at least 680m graphics.if you're vigilant about not spending a ton, you can occasionally find them on ebay for ~$500 pulled from an office environment but they sell fast at that price point.mine was $525 and its:>ryzen 7 8700ge>radeon 780m>16gb ram>256gb ssdit was a single stick of 16gb ddr4 so I added another 16gb to get 32, then replaced the ssd with a 1tb one I already had.this was before prices went up, but you can still find the PC itself for very cheap since offices buy them up then toss them after a couple of years.
>>741668104>When uncapped it reaches temp limit of 75C at 4.7GHz (NO AVX) at 95W. Pushes more wattage at 95C, but efficiency is dogshit at temps like that.I mean yeah, that's kind of the point with how precision boost works on ryzen. It'll use the entire thermal budget until it hits tjmax; left uncapped, that's around 90C
>>741668464It's exactly 95C. It's also a dogshit feature. I get better performance at an enforced temp limit of 85C. 75C lowers performance compared to 85C, but it's even better in real life use case.Also did you not notice the "when uncapped"? I have to disable the TDP limiting to get it to hit temp limits. That is not how the processor comes by default. It defaults to a TDP limit and can't reach temp limits at all.
>>741668225>he buys consoles to play games Look at this snoy and laugh!GTA 6 will flop and oot remake will sell more copies
>>741668925do you have a non-X CPU or something?
>>741667226Huh? Steam deck can play cyberpunk 40fps easy. I know cause I played the entire game on it so idk where the 18 fps is coming from. Idk where the 106 fps is coming from either. Reviews and videos can only get it to go up to 60
>>741657186We know, valvefags are a cult.
>>741669073It's an 9700X.
>>741657529its still wild that we're on year 8 of hardware accelerated RT yet its still impossible to actually run games with RT unless you have a 5090. even the first gen of rt games from 2018-2019 still run like ass even on 5070/5080 class cards
>>741669353maybe it's a sign this is a dead end
>>741669267oh right I forgot they made the 9000 series a lot more efficient at stock especially the mid range CPUs.(I run a 7900X which is uncapped by default)
>>741669353You also need a minimum of 16GB VRAM to even turn it on in some games.
>>741669353Consider that in order to reach many RT framerate targets, the first solution was to downscale the game and upscale it with a specialized model, then the second solution was to do that in conjunction with filling in the spaces between frames with model generated fake frames. It's gotten so lopsided that your GPU could be set to effectively render 1/8th of every frame between the two of those solutions.At this point I'm willing to believe we've hit the limits of what silicon can do and are just looking for shortcuts.
>>741657186>>741666314Minisforum is actually great. Premium chink miniPCs with overkill cooling so the parts stay cool and last longer, unlike the cheapest miniPCs. They're still just laptop parts made into a desktop, same as the gabecube.
>>741661669valve will support you but game developers wont. 8 GB VRAM is already showing problems in the newer games.
>>741669715I'm interested. What does that do in 7z b and what wattage does it draw while doing it?
>>741669698>>741669726>>741669856its annoying as hell, i used to always get excited by new architecture launches but it feels like actual raster performance has stagnated for the past 8 years, the last time I remember people actually liking a new GPU launch was when the 1080 and 1070 came out in 2016 with pretty close performance between the two. i recently upgraded to a 5080 from a 2080 but its honestly just been underwhelming despite being a 3 generation jump
This was a screenshot from last Black Friday.. This was the last opportunity you had to buy an affordable prebuilt with decent specs. ;)
>>741664282wtf does politics have to do with PC form factor?
>>741670354 mehere's the exact same product, same exact listing, RIGHT NOW!
>>741657520>The audience is console users who want to play PC games but don't know how to use a PC.just say retards, it's quicker
>>741657520>The audience is console users who want to play PC games but don't know how to use a PC.No it isn't. I haven't owned a console since the dreamcast and have no desire to. I know exactly why I am getting this.
>>741670173https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7900x/15.html
>>741670516>>741670354Thermal throttling time bomb. If you're buying prebuilt it better have a 3rd party chassis and aftermarket cooling.
>>741670778yeah any prebuilt that doesnt use third party case/mobo/powersupply belongs in the trash
The Gabecube isn't gonna be worth shit if devs don't start optimizing games specifically for it's exact hardware configuration.Will Valve be able to pull in that kind of support?
>>741670173>>741670750oh and that's at like 200W maybe. It's a greedy bastard
>>741670778I didn't buy it, but the OMEN is certainly noteworthy for that snapshot in time because end of last year was when everybody was starting to get CONCERNED over the price of PC hardware and now you see it's being sold for 3x. Steam Machine is a better deal than the OMEN now.I really feel for you guys who are deciding to buy "your first pc" in 2026. You're all a bit late to the party.
>>741670351>but it feels like actual raster performance has stagnated for the past 8 years,It essentially has. As you've noted, the 1080/ti was the last 'great raster GPU', and everything since then has either been much more expensive for the same result of "play new game on high" without those new games actually looking like they're achieving much with their newfound hardware requirements, or they get the same performance but you have 'newer features' that they can't backport for Sooooooome reason. The 5080 losing to the 4080super on a few games was a laugh.Imagine locking integer upscaling to newer hardware. Like, what the hell.
>>741670858Valve and Gabe ALWAYS play the long gameThe very long gameThey are able to do this as they don't have shareholdersThere is a Youtube video of Gabe talking about his goals with Linux and gaming over 10 years ago and they are following what they laid out exactly.
>>741670995yeah, i wouldnt have paid full price for this 5080 but i got it for about $500 which makes it more worthwhile. i think i just miss the days when both amd and nvidia actually bothered caring about the midrange, the 8800GT was the first card I bought with my own money and for $200 it was pretty fantastic. lasted me until i bought a gtx 670 in 2012 or 2013
>>741670750Those benchmarks are useless to me since most of the values are missing and the value that's presented is the least interesting/useful one.Here's an example of what it actually looks like. This shows heavy thermal throttling.
Whats the best place to buy a prebuilt?
>>741671015>You would have to wait until 2036 for a cultcube to start paying off.Or I could buy a switch 2 right now and already reap the benefits.
>>741672260Paying off? You are confused.And your fall back plan is a fucking console for children lol
>>741657082It doesnt have 8Tflops GPU and 8gb vram, you stupid misleading dumb cunt fuck cunt shit.
>>741657186>t. tendiejeet falseflagging
>>741657278>he typed on his made in china keyboard
>>741657278what part of your pc wasnt made in china?
Valve's reckoning is long overdue, they have gotten away with so much horseshit and /v/ defends it at every opportunity.
>>741657186I know right
>>741666761Same as laptop makers. People buy based on specs, and you can't see thermal design on a spec sheet.
>>741657082MUH MINIMALISM
>>741670516I mean that thing is going for sale again on black friday probably to $1000. The thing with Valve is that they never do sales on their hardware until they are ready to empty out the stock and even then it's only like 15% lol
