NERF THIS BRAINDEAD SHIT ALREADYNERFITNERFITNERFITNERFIT
>>741659756Sheeeesh imagine complaining about a 20 year old game. Move on, unc.Deadass.
>>741659756dead ringer really did take all the skill away from spy
imagine getting filtered by the weakest class in the game
Your whining falls to deaf ears as Valve stopped balancing the game several years ago
>>741659756a real man plays enforcer spy
>>741660053spy is literally the easiest class in the game to do well at
>>741660216that's bullshit and you and I both know iteasiest is medic/engineer
>>741660264>medicgood one
>right click>get free access to their backline with absolutely no effort or patience immediatelyHalf of the battle with Spy was just getting to the backline, that's one of the main things that made spy so difficult. Now you just run into the line of fire, right click, take 2 points of damage, get a speed boost, become immune to afterburn, take no damage, can't be revealed, and get free access to their backline with absolutely no effort at all. Paired with the Kunai which is essentially "become invincible if you backstab 1 person" and it just lets you ping pong back and forth from the front to the back with absolutely no effort.>leave a fake corpse on deathWOW I'M SO TRICKED, THAT SPY SURELY DIED AFTER ONE STOCK PISTOL BULLET, WHOA HE'S BEHIND ME NO WAY I'M SO DECEIVED!!!
>>741660053>weakest class>can literally one shot anybody in the game apart from ubered and doesn't even need a backstab to do it due to janky ass hitbox manipulationYeah okay XxDarkKiritoxX
>>741662476there's a reason Spy was the first class to get dumpstered in pro play, anon, it has literally zero value when the opposing team has microphones
>>741661037nigga you just stand around clicking on teammateslike pyro, you can learn the class and get really good at it, but the barrier to entry is low
If a spy is not interp abusing they are simply not a threat to intelligent players
>diamondback for free crits>kunai>deadringer
>>741662596>implying anyone gives a fuck about pro playA good chunk of the classes aren't even played in pro play. Who gives a fuck?
>>741662597No retard you gotta manage your team and overheal the right mates and uber at the right time.Medic is the hardest class in the game
>>741662596>there's a reason Spy was the first class to get dumpstered in pro playYeah because the competitive format isn't centered around TF2's casual chaotic environment, it's centered around quick team skirmishes and communicating information. That's not the gotcha you're looking for kid.
>>741662807>Who gives a fuck?You. You're acting like Spy is some giga OP super class that has no reasonable counterplay (that's Demoman). Spy is complete dogshit because every single one of its specialties relies on the opposing team doing nothing and being retarded. One single competent player on the other team will catch a Dead Ringer/Kunai Spy every single time. Every other class can easily counter the cheesiest Spy build without effort, by simply knowing how to play the game correctly.
>>741662945>the best TF2 players in the world all agreeing Spy is deadweight is not a gotchalmao, dumbfuck
i love the fucked up hitboxes, it's the only way to make spy any good
For me, it's the Nerfed Ambassador. Yes, that headshot kill was pure luck - but I want you to get the impression I'm not to be FUCKED with.
>>741659756How the fuck do you have problems with kunai dead ringer? They're the most telegraphed thing in the universe and u think you're actually retarded if you're not just doing this for a (you)
>>741663146>You're acting like Spy is some giga OP super class that has no reasonable counterplayI never said that. I just said an item that gives you free and easy access to the backline, and allows you to be effectively unkillable for a time is a retarded item and should not be in the game. I never said this makes the entire class uncounterable and they can auto-win and backstab all 12 members of a team with absolutely nothing anyone can ever do about it.
>People still complaining about balance in a game that died more than 15 years ago which is currently managed by retards
>>741663220The best TF2 players in the world think that Soldier, Scout, Medic, and Demo are the only classes that exist. You're retarded for using that as any sort of metric.
>>741662807>A good chunk of the classes aren't even played in pro playEngineer and heavy are used for last point defense, sniper at times comes in clutch for certain points like last on grainery, hell even pyro is sometimes used on last point on things like sunshine. Spy is a "we are super behind in evet metric and need a fucking miracle to stop from getting raped" he is the least used of the least used aside from a rare desperation play. The only time he was used even slightly regularly was in European division by one team that had him instead of a second scout. But that was pre Ambassador nerf so that put an end to that niche
>>741660053I'd see an argument for both pyro and spy being the weakest, it's close
>>741663357>I never said this makes the entire class uncounterable>free and easy access to the backline... effectively unkillableyou can't even write words good, read your own post lmao, frankly this is pure skill issue>>741663623Those are agreed to be the most powerful classes, yes. Guess who they agree is the weakest class, even with kunai and dead ringer?
Just use ambi
>>741664194it's not even close, Pyro has a hard counter to rockets and sticky traps built-in, even a bad Pyro can still W+M1 and make a difference with zone control that Spy can't
>>741664224This is about Spy in general, not the weapons retard. Regardless, he's still used as a pick class along with sniper. Do you see why I said you were retarded for using competitive for any sort of metric?
>>741664626>This is about Spy in general, not the weapons retard. You really aren't good at reading your own posts are you? This is getting sad desu>Regardless, he's still used as a pick class along with sniper. lol, you don't even watch pro TF2 if you think Spy is used anywhere near as often as Sniper is. If they want to pick someone they use Scout for general purposes and Sniper is only brought out if the sightlines are good. Spy is an absolute desperation choice because Sniper and Scout do his job better, faster, and at long range
>>741664991>You really aren't good at reading your own posts are you? This is getting sad desuNo, you're just not good at reading mine because you're clearly retarded like we established.>lol, you don't even watch pro TF2 if you think Spy is used anywhere near as often as Sniper is. If they want to pick someone they use Scout for general purposes and Sniper is only brought out if the sightlines are good. Spy is an absolute desperation choice because Sniper and Scout do his job better, faster, and at long rangeThe point is that he's still used which none of this even matters anyway. You're moving the goalpost.
>>741659756you can simply spy check the slow scout beelining for people.
they should buff the Enforcer by reverting it when it was just a flat damage bonus
Buff dragon’s fury fuck scoutfags
haven't played or talked about this game in 10 years, glad to see it's still full of room temp iq fags with horrible opinions on game balance
>>741666682Those were the days, getting a medic to kritz you made it hilarious
Dying to trickstabs is 100% a skill issue.Learn how to recognize and counter them instead of crying about it.
>>741664224>effectively unkillableYes, effectively. You can still airblast him and while it's active you can't kill anyone. And while the damage is heavily negated it's not 0. Do you not know what "effectively" means, ESL-kun?One of the main things about Spy is being undetected. The Dead Ringer completely eliminates this because it doesn't matter if you're detected. Just press right-click for your get out of jail free card. Obviously you can still counter it with communication and a half-competent pyro but an item that allows you to just escape damn near any situation as long as its active is stupid for a class that relies on patience and stealth.
free my nigga ambassador
The people complaining about DR in 2026 would have legit shit their pants and killed themselves if they had to deal with at release DR
>>741666846name 10 good opinions on tf2's balance
>spy gets a kill and runs away>NOOOOO KUNAI OP VALVE BREAK SPY'S KNEECAPS AGAIN>sniper gets a kill and 8/9 classes can do nothing about it>this is fine ackshually
>>741666910it was based and now the enforcers a mess of stats
>>741662685Every single time without fail when i play medieval mode theres 2-3 kunai spies and usually at least 1 is interp abusing Brand new accounts too how convenient
"backstab hitboxes bad" but /v/ would seethe just as hard if valve buffed the revolvers
Just turn around and don't go near him?Won't deny it's a weapon that can be annoying, situations like>see spy>shoot him as he saps a teleporter>dead ringers>chase him down as he loudly decloaks behind a barely sapient vantablack favela ape playing sniper and stabs him>recovers all the health you took from him>turns around and blaps you to death with diamondback crits from the teleporter + sniperYeah, of course that's annoying, like any get stuff on kill weapon your team can directly fuck you over. But that's just how it is in a game where your team can have anything from a fresh install drooling downie to a tranny on addy with 2 actual years in hours and several inventory pages of league/lan medals
>>741667532it's not interp, it's backtrack and auto stabfucked interp actually makes it harder to play not just spy but every class, that's total misinformation spread on purpose to cover their asses, like the "bro sprays can hack your computer!" stuff
Every person now that isnt a F2P is just cheating at this point and even then i saw a clearly stupid F2P heavy cheating with aimbot, like he wasnt even able to navigate the map properly but was a cheater.
>>741659756>getting stabbed in 2000+26LOL
>>741667754A lot of people also dont realize the opposite exists with anti-backstab where the moment you try to go for one it wont register cause the enemy will instantly turn during the animation.
>>741667832the bot crisis completely broke tf2's playerbase to where they are literally blind to anything other than an automated sniper spinning in circles headshotting everyone, and refuse to believe subtle (not actually subtle at all) cheats even existboy i just love joining a game with the 7-domination soldier who flings rockets around every single corner when you try to approach but can't remember where his own spawn exit is
>>741668115>Its a cheating direct hit soldier episode
>>741667469While you're right, I admit the damage piercing is pretty cool, if niche. Getting in a nice spot and shooting a wrangler fag's gun can lead to some comedy
>>741668342>it's a widowmaker engie with a pocket medic>of the 21 other players on the server, not one of them thinks there's anything weird about a rambo engie with no buildings at all having 4x the score of the next guy
>>741669021
>>741662476>implying spies are are stronger then the retard thats halfway across the map instakilling you with minimal effort and safety with no way to engage.Spys design is garbage and garbage that doesnt even work considering hes not even allowed a high damaging pistol to defend himself with or else people start crying. (nobody remembers the Enforcer)
>>741664194Pyro has reflects and some (limited) long range options. Spy doesn't.
>>741667532your fault for playing a garbage game mode
>>741667271Gunslinger engie is well balanced, you shouldn't be able to ubercharge phlog, bison should be buffed, pomson should be buffed, black box+ conch shouldn't have 15% higher random crit chance, sun on a stick should get rid of the crit on burning enemies effect and just add burn(funny, might combo with clever for DoT but doesn't seem that strong may need testing), ambassador should be buffed a little bit, uhhhhhhhh sniper bad, heavy should be able to put a sandwich in his primary slot, either for double friendly potential or just a different food item for fat scout more ways to play is nice even if they arent useful and other classes should have banner or banner like abilities, heavy getting a banner secondary could be nice.
>>741664194spy is weakest, it's not even closepyro still has some mobility tools, spy has nothing
>>741667832I encountered a heavy that did this and nobody would fucking kick him.
>>741662597>this is your pub medgrim. as a full time pub med this is shameful
>>741673263As someone who was always a wrench grease monkey i kind of understand you still need to think about placing minis in smart locations. Now wrangling a mini is demonic and shouldnt be allowed though.
>>741662879>you can learn the class and get really good at it, but the barrier to entry is low
>>741662428>click on guy>he "dies">BAJEWWWWWWWWWXT>turn around and click on guy again>return to clicking on guys
>>741664621>Hard counter rocketsOuted as someone who doesn't play pyro. You can't airblast on reaction if it's close.
>>741679836you have to get inside their head and predict when they'll firethe more you play soldier, the better you play pyro, and vice versa. it's like yin and yang. positive and minus. RED and BLU.
The game is at the point where using things like disguises and the Dead Ringer as they are intended to be used destroys most players.Le ebin Spy mains with 5k hours on the class and 2 grand with of items abusing the DR speed boost and Scout disguises completely shifted player perception of how Spy is supposed to be played. You're catching 9/10 players by disguising as a Demo and faking a reload while looking down a choke.
The big earner shouldnt have a penalty and it's buff should just be part of the stock knife
>>741659756They need toBuff sandmanNerf Darwin's danger shieldNerf rocket jumping
just play Soldier and equip battalion's backup and enjoy your free wins
>>741680372*gunboats
As a spy main, I just want to say Kunai is overrated and is actually a shit knife. The best Spy loadout is L'etranger, stock everything else. +40% cloak time allows you to traverse entire maps with cloak as long as you know where the ammo boxes are. Then, you find your target uncloak, stab, cloak, rinse and repeat. Kunai max health reduction is a liability and once you get a stab with it, it makes you impatient to try and get another stab in before your overheal runs out. Which, will usually lead to your death.
>>741680154Hell yeah dude. You get fuckers just disguising as heavy and slowly walking up to the enemy team, medics are used to presenting their ass to heavy dont you know?
>Fire rocket into a random corner>spy explodes>fire rocket at my feet to rocket jump>spy explodes>Fire a DH random crit into a chokepoint that the enemy team is pushing into>halfway there a spy eats the rocket and explodesSpies are fucking worthless. One job (picking medics and snipers off) and they cant even do that right
>>741680821Unwittingly crocketing an invisible spy while rocket jumping always gets a sensible chuckle out of me.
>>741659756The game was so fun before everyone used scripts, triggerbots and aimbots. Can't go back to it, as it's a cesspit. Rest in peace.
>>741681496for me it's cloaked spy running around a corner into a random huntsman arrow
>>741680668Modern spy players just don't understand the class is supposed to be slower paced. The spy is a pick class regardless of how many 25 killstreak trickstab highlight videos are on youtube. There's a reason the spy gets bonus points for backstabs, just like how sniper gets bonuses for headshots, to keep the player active on the leaderboard so they don't feel completely worthless taking 30 seconds fishing for a kill when other classes can chew through multiple opponents in that time.I guess the average sniper player getting better and better at the game skewed how class balance was supposed to play out while spy kept chugging along in his original direction.
How do you replace the regular TF2 flamethrower effect with the Classified version? I just can't get it to work.
>>741682158Spies dont want to do their jobs, simple as. They dont want to help the team by removing the sniper locking the spawn down. They dont want to pick the kritz medic tunneling towards a soldier. They dont want to play practically, becaue that's not fun and flashy.
