>put defense spells on defense stat to raise defense>put healing spells on HP to raise HP>put attack spells on attack to raise attackHoly shit I could have never figured this out without a guide
>>741665460There is nothing fun about drawing for hours and then never using the spells. I still don';t really understand how summons work they seem to just be infinite.
Junctioning isn't complex, it's everything around that sucks. Drawing to get a 100 stack is boring, and the game inherently punishes you for using magic since it's essentially a currency for your stats. The more magic you use, the lower your stats become, and then you have to draw grind again. Item refining makes this part better, but you still need to have the item/card that refines into that magic too, so it's not a perfect supplement. Whenever I play FF8, I try to experiment, but I just end up always renzo spamming the entire game since everything else is so fucking bad, and the game rewards you so much for doing it.
>don't think or plan anything out>never run into any trouble>finish the gamehuh...
>>741665747>>741665754Your mages can draw 9 spells per turn and your spells aren't gonna meaningfully decrease your stats just from using them in one battle.Obviously it's an issue if you want to spam Firaga for every random encounter, but that'd be horribly broken if the game let you do that.Also you're gonna have a dedicated healer anyway who can cover Drawbitch duties, so what's the issue?
>>741665747>and then never using the spellsThat's the main issue, there's no point to using the spells when everyone can junction to Str and fuck shit up. The game is not difficult enough to need good healing, and attack spells are worthless when you can just nuke with GFs if you don't want to use your basic attacks or limit breaks. Only good use for magic is Meteor Wing, which of course doesn't use up magic stock.
>>741665460The game's REAL issue that no one ever mentions is that once you reach a point where every character has all their main stat slots unlocked they all become functionally the same, and most of the unique commands for each GF aren't interesting enough to make them meaningfully distinguishable.
>>741666195see >>741666475
>>741665747>There is nothing fun about drawing for hours and thenyou played the game wrong. congratulations, you played yourself
The real problem with the junction system is that you have to swap characters every 10 minutes so it gets annoying
>>741665747>>741665754>>741666195Refine 5 T rex for 100 Quake, junction STRRefine 10 tents for 100 Curaga, junction HPBoom, you're done junctioning for discs 1-3.before even leaving tutorial island No need to further interact with the system
>>741667201that's slow as shit, just refine quistis card into triples for STR-J and use that instead
>>741667427>>741667201No one playing this game for the first time is going to know about that stuff
>>741665747Nobody ever made you NOT use them. Magic is so damn plentiful if you aren't fucking retarded. Between all the loot meant for refining and the draw system, you can easily replace upwards of 20 spells in a single shot. You just need an IQ higher than room temperature.
>>741665460this was the first time i realized just how dumb the average person was and as a consequence, how dumb that people who are actually stupid are.
>>741667516Well yeah it totally breaks the game, but it's not like interacting with it normally is some super tedious thing.Put Fire on your attack and draw some fire for one or two turns each time you come across an enemy that has it, you'll reach 100 before you even realize it and you don't need to spend hours drawing like people say you do.
>>741667691This. I legit kill one batch of fish for fish fins, grab some blizzards and cure, then do the fire cavern. I never have to go out of my way for magic again after that.People that claim that they HAD to sit there and draw 600 casts of every spell are just retarded and refuse to actually play the game unless they can invalidate EVERYTHING.
>>741667427>slow as shit>need to play cards to get a rare card vs killing 5 simple enemies in the training area at the start of the gamei mean triples are slightly better but getting that card takes way longer
>>741665747The game has enemy scaling. You can get through the game easily (and it's more fun) by just drawing a handful of spells in the over world and what you want from the enemies. People insist on min maxing the game then wonder why it's not fun.
>>741666195>lemme just farm stats instead of relying on leveling up like every other coherent FF gameThe junctioning system was an experiment and a bad one. Poorly executed.
>>741665460>>741665747>>741665754The bad part of the game is the level scaling enemies. You get punished for trying to get AP. The best way is to turn most enemies into cards. You get cards which can be used for spells or items, no exp, and full AP. I honestly just had more fun playing the game as a card game first and rpg second.
>>741665747>There is nothing fun about drawing for hoursAnother one who watched that faggot, Spoony.You DON'T NEED TO. Refine the items you receive from enemies AND refine cards too. Sometimes they give you 100 of a spell. You don't need to use the Draw command all the time!
>>741668251wrong. You didn't get punished. If anything, you got REWARDED with easier access to stronger magic and better loot. Almost every enemy tried and eventually FAILED to keep up with you and the junction system. The only exceptions were enemies like Ruby Dragons and Behemoths.
>>741665747You don't need to cast Fire when your basic attack is a harder hitting 100% Fire-Attrib that also puts enemies to sleep.
>>741665460I wonder how they'd adapt the Draw system if they ever did a remake in the same style as VII.
>>741669587They would turn the entire game into brainless hack n slash dogshit. Don't even entertain the idea.
Why did they decide to make FF8 a random schizo high IQ game in a mainstream franchise like Final Fantasy?
>>741669717Every FF game had in depth strategy elements(Null Spells, Blink, Reflect, etc). FF8 just took it a little bit farther and had you apply it to your stats as well.
>>741665747See how the FFtard reels in pain at the mere suggestion of a trade-off or a meaningful choice to make, as if he were playing... an RPG or something
>>741669891I actually have a screenshot for this!
>>741669587>I wonder how they'd adapt the Draw system if they ever did a remake in the same style as VII.You would Draw a small amount every time you normal-attacked someone. Crits would be possible to get rarer stuff.
The whole game is beatable with no junctions at all.People who draw and grind for hours are just fucking stupid lmao
>>741669891What's the trade-off for using your spells up? There's no incentive for using your stock outside of occasional heals. If they would have made certain enemies immune or severely resistant to physical attacks, then there would be a value trade. As the games stands, junctioning to Str and spamming physical attacks works for almost everything. Have a stock of Aura to pop limit breaks and that takes care of everything except the ultimate superboss.
>>741669717I respect it they tried out different things back then even though fans didnt like it
Juctioning ACTUALLY sucks because there was zero effort put into balancing it and the game suffers tremendously for it.
>>741670186Magic scaled harder and faster than physical damage did. You just needed a higher than room temperature IQ to get any value out of it. That's the trade off. GF's had HP. They acted as meatshields. They also had the whole "longer animations=higher potential damage" thing going on.Limit Breaks required you to be in critical condition to get them consistently, and Zell/Irvine/Rinoa/Selphie had hidden mechanics which meant you couldn't just use Aura for maximum effect. This could be manipulated with various spells.I could go on, but I've made my point. Only retards complain about the magic/junction system. The game has flaws, but that is NOT one of them.
>>741670508"zero effort put into balancing it " Ok. You clearly never played the game. You don't get to speak on it.
>>741669717FF8 is actually deceptively simple, the game's completely linear with very little side activities cause it's essentially designed around just funneling you from setpiece to setpiece.This is why leveling doesn't matter, to ensure you're always on par with the story whether you're over or underleveled, and it's why the Junction system exists in the way it does, so that all you ever need to upgrade your stats can be obtained in the actual battles rather than having to go back to a town for shops or explore a dungeon to get gear.
>>741670651"game's completely linear with very little side activities "Uh....no? You have a TON of side content and it ALL gives VERY nice loot, now fuck off.
>>741670624It is trivial to snap the game's difficulty in half. Unless you do something stupid like limit yourself to 20 Waters or something it basically doesn't have a difficulty curve or any sense of progression.
>>741670186That doesn't apply until late game. Not every GF has a Str-J at the start, and the appropriate spells for your level are dealing as much if not more damage than Squall's junctioned Atk stat. The GF stat junctions are spaced to naturally make some characters magic users instead of physical attackers.You also don't get Aura until at least halfway through the game, and it starts out quite rare.So the trade off for using magic is that you get every character able to match Squall in damage, this is not even counting the defensive, curative, or utility spells to use which makes battles go quicker and bosses die easier, in exchange for a (temporary) stat decrease (though effectively you would have to purposely avoid refilling your common magic stocks for them to get low enough to make a difference in combat)But then you probably don't actually play the game and just heard all this third-hand
>>741670624He's 100% right, it's the most breakable FF of it's era.
>>741670748"your definition of "trivial" is to sit there for 8 hours playing cards. By that point, I could be on disc two ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME. Fuck off.
>>741670559I don't think you understood my post. Why would I go through all that extra trouble of using spells when I can easily get the magic I need to press the attack button and shred almost everything? I don't need a meat shield, shit is dead before it even gets the chance to do any meaningful damage by, again, using the basic attack command. Limit breaks and GFs are about all the extra shit I ever use for anything that's not Omega Weapon, and even for that I don't use traditional magic, I use Rinoa's Angel Wing to spam Meteor while I recline and watch the carnage.
>>741670791He's 100% WRONG. If you're too retarded to NOT sit there and max all your stats JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, that's on YOU, not the game.>>741670829I understood. You're just retarded. You minmaxed the fun out of the game.You and every other brainrotted retard.
>>741666986The original release didn't even have the junction exchange menu where you can copy junctions from character to character, that was added in localization.
>>741670771>Not every GF has a Str-J at the startShiva and Ifrit get it, and two characters spamming attack with something good attached to Str is all you need for everything, the third character can do whatever until you get Brothers. My point is that there's no reason not to just junction to Str and HP and use Attack, GF, and Limits for pretty much everything, attack magic is doing things the hard way.
>>741670737There's like 3 side quests in the game and 2 of them are just Triple Triad.
>>741665747you aren't supposed to draw magic. you're supposed to spend an hour grinding fish on the beach and then another 3 hours playing the card game in balamb garden and then you never touch the junction system again for the rest of the game.
>>741670927Fucking tranny localizers strike again!
>>741670771>this is not even counting the defensive, curative, or utility spells to use which makes battles go quicker and bosses die easier, in exchange for a (temporary) stat decrease (though effectively you would have to purposely avoid refilling your common magic stocks for them to get low enough to make a difference in combat)This. NOT having Sleep ready to go against a T Rexaur, for instance, is a fast way to get wiped.Not having Silence or Siren for Lefty is also a quick way to die.
>>741671003I can think of 4 non-card sidequests in plain sight, never mind the ones that are way out of the way. Shumi Village, Chocobo Forests, Deep Sea Research Lab, Doomtrain, Odin, etc.
>>741670895>minmaxedI spend an insignificant amount of time drawing from a few enemies early game and playing a reasonable number of card games to get the magic I need, that's not minmaxing. You're just assmad that someone is saying the game is too easy. I love the game, but there's still no reason to go out of your way to use magic when it takes no time or effort at all to get the magic needed to spam the basic physical attack and win the game.
10 year old me beat this game where the only help I had was bits of watching an older cousin play it because the internet was still dogshit to access. Said cousin also made me think the disc 1 ending was me messing up and got Squall killed.You idiots in your early 20s with fucking computers at your fingertips can figure it out too.
>>741670990Yes that is true, the entire game is technically beatable with just the Attack command. As for why you would NOT do that? Not everyone cares to meta-fuck a game, because that's not everyone's idea of fun.
>>741671110Nah, stfu retard. You aren't getting those cards quickly or consistently. Quit lying.
>>741669717The game wasn't done by the 'main' team because they were working in fucking spirits within.
>>741671164This. I had a recent run where I gave Zell Vit and Strength bonus as well as Counter and Cover. It was hilarious.
>>741671164Unless you completely ignore multiple system you are going to break the game. It's just a question of when.
It's weird to me that these people are pretending to play this game still and that other people who have never touched it are pretending to have knowledge about it. Still others are pretending (pretending) to get upset about what some 15 year olds did to minmax the game back in the day.
>>741671164>meta-fuckIt takes barely any effort to break the game, your argument doesn't work. I'm not powergaming, I'm playing normally. I could use magic, but that would be akin to an optional challenge.
>>741671248I can hit level 100, ignore NOTHING, do EVERY sidequests, split my GF's evenly and STILL not break the game wipe open for the Ultimecia fight.You have to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to break it in half like that.
>>741665747Yet another one filtered.Best FF.
>>741671343Agreed. On that note: more games need something like X-ATM092.
>>741665747agreed, this game sucked then and it still sucks now
>>741671221You believe Combat Programmers, PS1 3D Modelers, Game Scenario Planners, Event Planners, etc were all put on a hollywood movie? Is this your statement? Surely you have the crew names of the "Main Team" of the games in the credits of the movie to back this up
>>741671226>Zell Vit and Strength bonus as well as Counter and CoverMan I love the GF abilities in this game, so underappreciated. I feel like most people never even touched them, they are never mentioned in any discussion.
>using magic means drawing it again and tanking your junctioned stats>leveling up is actually a downgrade as monsters level faster>irvine was literally only pretending to be a retardoWhat a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
>JRPG where leveling up makes you weaker>JRPG where casting spells makes you weaker
>>741671525Losing a fraction of a point is NOT "tanking your stats". Fucking retard.Leveling was NOT a downgrade, as the junction system will keep you MILES ahead of them, even if you use it POORLY.
>>741671558>>741671525>Game where retards get buttfucked by just the thought of it without ever even playing itFFVIII is amazing, almost as powerful as Unlimited SaGa
>cast tornado 10 times in a boss fight>lose a grand total of 4 points to my magicGamers are mostly faggots more concerned with optimizing what they are doing instead of just having fun
the game is way more fun with a hack that makes it so you draw 99 spells every time
>>741671669FF8 is kusoge for contrarians and womenFF2 owns you
>>741671792*the people that won't do this will instead do triple triad bullshit and item distilling to avoid drawing instead of having fun checking what draws are on new enemies
>>741671669>Googles Unlimited SaGa...adding it to my backlog lol>>741671731Yup. The game gives you all this freedom to play in so many different way,s and these fucking tards would rather spend several hours attempting to invalidate everything before Dollet.
>>741671814Which ff2? I liked both, but one is CLEARLY superior to the other.
>>741671731Why would you cast Tornado to begin with?
>>741671968It's a powerful spell and very few things resist it. That's why.
>>741671814Joke's on you.FF2 is my second favorite.
>>741672003You're going to be doing more DPS with just basic attacks.
>>741671959The only FF2.
>>741671338zell at minimum level can kill any boss in the game in one duel with no junctions or stat boostsi mean... you have to have really good inputs, but you can
sounds like an interesting system, but I can see it severely harming the mental health of OCD schizos who cannot cope with the idea of spending a stat to progress the linear story that ends eventually
>>741672159well it's not like you're actually spending anything meaningful except time because you can go top yourself off again by spamming draw forever
>>741672073yeah and your boyfriend will cum faster if squeeze your kegal muscles while his cock is in your ass
>>741672073>more DPSThis ain't fuckin LoL, who am I competing with in a single player JRPG?
>>741672248Time is always valuable.
What I unironically hate is having to level up 15 characters. Fuck this. Just give me 3 main characters and set the rest as side npcs. Also the fact that only Squall, Zell and Quistis (was it?) get their stats/junctions used by Laguna et all., si you would get absolutely fucked if you were using side characters.
>>741671669Add BoFV to make the Holy Trinity of anti-Jarpigtard Jarpigs
>>741672290You can treat your leisure time as another job if you want, but the definition of leisure time is wasting time. If your time is so valuable, why are you playing meaningless games with it instead of hustling up some more real money or whatever
>>741672505>the definition of leisure time is wasting time.No it's not.
>>741672117not unless you understand exactly how his unique crisis mechanics work. I'd bet MONEY that you don't know how.>>741672248Also, he's just fucking lying unless he grinding 100 Firas/Firagas or something.>>741672097Ye. I liked that one. I prefer FF4, but Firion had a pretty great game too. You just had to tweak your approach a little bit. >>741672159I have OCD. I was literally diagnosed a LONG time ago. I LOVE the systems. This is strictly an IQ issue.>>741672405Was this the one that used a Data Drain Style Risk Meter for your dragon form?
>>741672347You literally wouldn't, because enemies set themselves to match your average party level.
>>741672698>Free time when one is not working or attending to other duties. Relaxation or activities engaged in during such time.>Freedom from occupation or business; vacant time; time free from employment. Doing nothing productive. Wasting time.
>>741672702>Also, he's just fucking lying unless he grinding 100 Firas/Firagas or something.Refine one GF card and you get all the Quake magic you'll ever need which is better than those spells you're talking about anyway. Starting to think you're the one who's never played the game.
>>741665460people were really stupid back then but once you get all the magic you have a bit more options and choices to make like the status effects you want to inflict and be inmune to. And when it comes to Ultima and Meteor because these everywhere you put it boost stats to the max.There's also Rinoa to consider, you don't want her to have every magic in her, you want her focused on only Meteor and specific spells she can't cast on her own other than Meteor, so no Ultima, Tornado, Quake or any of that shit. That's how you make Rinoa the most powerful character in all of FF.
>>741672919You JUST asked why you would ever use Tornado before saying "jUsT bEaT tHe BoSs WiTh ThE wEaKnEsS tO wInD"Shut the fuck up.
>>741673074That wasn't me, schizo-kun.
>>741672798Man they really got a stranglehold on you with that slave mentality, huh?
>>741672919Also, I PLAY the game. You INVALIDATE it. Giant difference, you fucking retard.>>741672993Nah, give her ALL the Tier 4 spells. Tornado, Quake, Meteor, Flare, Holy, Ultima.Ultima on Elemental Defense makes her nearly impossible to kill while Tornado, Quake, Flare and Holy all Junction STUPIDLY well to most stats. This way you get all the strongest spells for free, on rapidfire, with a 50% damage boost.>>741673184Oh, so you're just illiterate. Got it, retard. Fuck outta here.
>>741673243>Oh, so you're just illiterateNo, you were claiming that physical damage is weaker than Tornado casting unless someone was spending a bunch of time accumulating spells you don't need to accumulate. Refine one GF card to get a buttfuck ton of Dino Bones and refine those to Quake, attach to Str and go to town. He's right, you're wrong.
>>741673376Physical attacks have a base power of 16. Tornado has a base power of 38. Tornado is STRONGER once you gain natural access to it unless you grinded like a retard. It's math. You're wrong. Get bent.
>>741672702i think you get more time if you wait longer in between duels i don't remember the exact mechanics tho might be also you need dead party members or statuses like doom, it was something like that
>>741673441>unless you grinded like a retardGetting one GF card to refine is considered grinding? Take your meds, retard.
>>741672702>his unique crisis mechanicsHoly shit you're retarded.
>>741673594Also, I ran the math. You're wrong, retard. Tornado is still stronger. You'd need 9 more points in strength before your physical attacks would match the damage of a neutral tornado.
>>741673547Nope. Zell effectively has a SECOND Crisis Score. Aura has no effect on it. Only dead party members, Blind, and being at critical hp will effect it. Haste also has a positive impact on it. Aura only affects the damage. His secondary crisis meter affects the timer. That's why HASTE works on it.
>>741673668Oh no, a bit less damage that doesn't matter whatsoever because Quake to Str is more than enough for just about everything. And I'm the one minmaxing?
>>741673815You're wrong. Cry harder retard. In the time it takes you to attack once, I've done 20 K in a single round with a triplecasted spell.
>he's just spewing bullshit nowlol
>>741673910Test it yourself. All of those characters have unique crisis mechanics. Zell and Irvine actually happen to SHARE the same mechanics. Selphie's Slots Specials are less common while using Aura and more common when under ailments or on low hp.Rinoa's Crisis mechanics are overly complex, so I'm not going to try and break them down, but to nutshell it, both the Angelo Skill chosen and the potency of it are affected based on a number of variables beyond simply being able to use Aura.
>>741673809yes and its still piss easy if you play it even remotely normallythe fact that you can kill the final boss in one limit break if you know what you're doing without engaging in any of the games multiple dimensions of power scaling is ridiculous>>741673894nta but you play the entire game skipping all random encounters anyway so a hypothetical fight is only a boss fight. just use a limit break
playing ff8 normally is a waste. there's like 12 other games in the series you can play normally, but only one you can totally break in half before even leaving the starting town.
>>741665460I can understand Materia, you put it in a weapon slot and it is visible. But how do Guardian Forces work? Squall downloaded Shiva and Lucoa from a computer, but what did he do then? I can see him drawing magic but, where does he store it? How does he put a magic spell into his Vit physically?
>>741665460I love this FFVIII’s clean grey menus. They’re really responsive and satisfying to click through too, at least on ps1.
What is this retard yelling about?https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Crisis_Level
>>741674521GFs are like demons you contract with by beating the shit out of them or some other less direct way of obtaining them. Though some you just draw like magic from enemies. They attach to your being (or mind, which affects your body or whatever) and all magic junctioned goes through them. Without GF, there is no junction.
>>741674260No, YOU skip all the gameplay. I actually play the game.>>741674775They didn't even show the full formula for Zell/Irvine. Speed is LITERALLY a factor. It also didn't show the potency values. Get the fuck out of here.
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>>741675203God I hate how they fucked up Squalls dialogue like that. So much of his dialogue was lazily replaced with "...whatever". He wasn't like that in the japanese version.
>>741675260>He wasn't like that in the japanese version.explain
>>741675391I'll do you one better.https://legendsoflocalization.com/articles/ff8-squall-whatever-japanese/
As someone who did own the Brady Games official strategy guide let me just say, the bestiary at the end of it was really fucking cool
>>741675843Agreed.
>>741668251Cactuars are the best for AP.
>>741665747ummm sweetie didn't you realize you're supposed to play triple triad and then convert a bunch of items to spells to give yourself a fucktillion damage and one-shot every enemy and boss you encounter? you played the game wrong because you engaged with it on the terms presented to you instead of spending several hours giving yourself gameshark cheats dummy
>>741668391This is so wrong it’s absurd. You get rewarded for carding enemies, which gives no exp, that lets you access higher level spells earlier. Enemies scale exponentially with levels while you scale through spell junctions. Enemies being a higher level doesn’t make them give you higher level spells to make up for it.
>>741678894Nope. Fuck off retard.
>>741679072Enemy loot and spell draws don’t scale with level. Are you Indian by any chance? A simple google search would disprove you. How are you liking Canada saar
>>741679217They literally do. Enemies scale to your average party level. They have three different loot pools and draw pools. Cry, retard.
>>741679294I post for she ma’ams
>>741665460>actually levelling upYou are bad at this gameThe meta is to keep level low as possible and max draw for stat junctioning
>>741679553You got caught lying and now you're trying to save face. Shove it up your ass and twist, retard.
>>741679598This is legit my first postBut enemies scale with your level
>>741679598Hello saar
>>741679639Sorry, I thought you were the retard who said that enemies don't have scaling loot/draw pools. My bad, We're all anons here so it's kind of hard to tell.
>>741679743Last time I played it I did a low level run and it was easy as shit
>>741679743Either way though, fuck the meta. I PLAY games to PLAY them. Not to AVOID playing them.
>>741666148Bro I beat this game as a fucking teenager.
>>741679783try NOT breaking the game in half, you fucking retard.
>>741665460>as soon as you gain access to the world map run around on the world map until you've learned Card Mod from Quezacotl>refine magic from triple triad cards>avoid random battles as much as possible to avoid leveling up>this completely breaks the game and lets you mow through every single boss effortlessly like you turned on God ModeIt's hilarious how FFVIII's entire system is set up to be exploited without using any sort of cheats or bugs. It's like the devs didn't realize they fucked up until it was too late and then just crossed their fingers and hoped you didn't figure it out on your first playthrough kek.
>>741679783>>741679796I think the best way to play the game is to just do a mix of carding and killing. People get too caught up on the extreme ends of both.
>>741679989Yup.Exactly.
>>741679843All the old FF games were pathetically easy. I beat FFVI when I was in fourth grade. I beat FFVII when I was in 6th grade.
Played this game in 1999. Got to disc three without really understanding how junctioning worked, had a real hard time with Cerberus fight and the tank fight in the military base. And then at one point it just clicked. So I restarted the game and played it like God intended - drawing, juncioning. Then I discovered Card ablity, and how turning monsters into cards rewarded no experience, but only AP, and it clicked again, so I restarted yet again. I went online and tried looking for more information about the game. Discovered this forum ffgurus.net. To this day I remember my login and password. That's where I learnt that you can get unique character cards from Triple Triad mini-game. So I restarted yet again. It was the most fun I've ever had with a game - discovering everything on my own, without using soulless fucking guides and videos. I miss it, I miss that I can never go back
>>741680196Ff games are casual by nature. You always become absurdly overpowered about 2/3 into the games.
>>741679960I'm pretty sure it Square intentionally did this because they didn't want people to ever get stuck. They basically wanted to make it to where you had the option to grind and overpower yourself to progress you were too retarded to play the game correctly. This is also why they legitimately difficult bosses were always optional content.
>>741680319Sounds about right.
>>741680218that's funny because I was the exact opposite. I played the game when it was new but I didn't like it much and only got a little past the first laguna section. years later I heard about the strategy to completely disable encounters and turn the game into a card game and it interested me enough that I went back and played through the whole game that way.
>>741665747https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKhHwpkL17o
>>741675260
>>741682516OH GOD NO GET THOSE FUCKING GHOSTS OUTTA HERE
>>741682516Imagine how much less shit this game would be if it at least let you get all up in that Quistis or Selphie. Instead you have to watch a shitty teenage love story featuring the most boring heroine in all of Final Fantasy not named Lightning. Let me fuck the ones who are actually hot, you fucking pussies.
>>741665747Hey dude, sit down, imma let you into a secretIn GF menu you can choose which abilities the GF learns in which order. If left default, the GF will first learn all the useless stuff likeg GF HP up and GF Mag up. Well. In the bottom the list there's the refining abilites. THEY LET YOU REFINE SPELLS FROM ITEMS! Craaaaaazy!!!! And Quezacotl has refining ability to turn cards into items. And even Card command to turn enemies into cards that lets you get AP but not take the EXP!!!!Sooooo, you just refine those items to spells and you will be getting good spells early. And you have 3 active party members, meaning the 3 non-active party members will act as spell mules so your main guys can use spells and after the fight, you just fill your spells back from the mules
>>741679960because they never have time to play test the game and ship this out as fast as possible to capitalize on the hype FF7 generatedthe US version was already "patched" to be more "balanced" (lol) the original JP version was a total messI will never forgive them because I actually played JP when it came out and it was torture
>>741679217STOP FUCKING LYING.Go check the wiki and you see enemies steal and drop change depending on their level. You fucking scumbag think you can just waltz in to lie?!
>>741679217You can't draw Meltdown from low level Gayla but you can draw Meltdown from high level Gayla
>>741683054Perfect example.
>>741683016why do you need to steal from enemies? this isn't ff9. you get everything you need from refining.
>>741682923Or I could just play a better game instead
>>741683213STOOOOOP!!!!You remember the forest where you had the second Laguna dream, hm? Yeah. Go hug the cliff wall there and initiate a random battle! What do you know! The enemy that appears is GRENDEL! Or it can be even 2 GRENDELS! Early game and you encounter FUCKING GRENDELS?! HOW?!!!! Because hugging the cliff causes the battle to have enemies from top of the cliff you are not meant to access until with the airship. Well, you haven't even visited Galbadia Garden yet but now you have early access to Grendels steal pool. And you know, they carry Dragon Skins?! The absolute unit of rare item needed for high level weapons and spell refinement.
>>741683227FF7 is the best, followed by 5, 8 and 10. Get a better taste, faggot.
>>741683339doesn't matter since you can literally get the materials you need for squall's ultimate weapon from balamb garden
>>741665460It filtered gorillions.See: >>741665747
>card everything>dont level so neither do enemies>still op with inefficient junctions
>>741683213Some of us don't want to wait until disc 2 to upgrade a weapon, numbnuts. If stealing a steel pipe from a wendigo is an option, and I have Mug, I'M STEALING THE PIPE.
>>741683431Wrong. You need Minotaur/Sacred card and refine it for the final ingredient, Adamantine. Don't come to FF8 thread and lie. There was another poster, maybe it was you, who claimed they got Lionheart in Balamb Garden but the truth is for early Lionheart you need the fucking card from the minotaur brothers for the early Adamantine.Never ever come to lie again.
>>741683431You have very liberal way to use the term "literally"
>>741683534You could ALSO farm Adamantoises for that obnoxiously rare drop, but that's a giant pain in the ass at low levels.
>>741668251Go fuck yourself. You can turn enemies into cards so you get AP but not EXP
>>741683534you can get it in disc 1 while never levelling past 16. I don't remember the specifics but I know it's possible because I did it following a guide someone posted in a /v/ thread.
>>741683754Where you going to meet Adamantoises in Disc 1? Their cards don't turn into Adamantines.
>>741683780Yes! You fight the minotaur brothers in Tomb of Unknown King at the end of Disc 1 before Edea assassination. But until then you can't get Lionheart
>>741683825They're on the beach outside dollet, but their encounter table is all fucking wonky. They, for SOME fuckin reason, REALLY don't like to show up unless Squall is facing the top of the screen when the battle triggers.Mugging does not work. You get a whisper for that. Carding them does not work. You have to KILL them, which is, like I said, a GIANT pain in the ass.
>>741666195You don't understand the JRPG mindset.JRPGs are interactive anime, not real games and that's what the fans demand.The idea of using strategy or making trade-offs or taking risks is alien to JRPG fans.They want to be overpowered AND have infinite spells. They don't care about the grinding but they hate to have to make a choice, even though its virtually meaningless choice as basic attacks are basically all you need.
>>741684038That's not the jrpg mindset. That's the lazy retarded bitch mindset.
>>741683942Yup. The first instance of them dropping Adamantine is from lvl 20 onwards. By the time you can access Dollet Beach is the same time you access the Forest to Galbadia Garden. You would need to lvl up your party levels average to 20 and the drop rate and encounter rate are low. Or you csn clear the forest, visit Galbadia Garden then Galbadia city to access Tomb of Unknown King for guaranteed minotaur card to turn into Adamantines
>>741684184It becomes child's play to get one once you get Rare Item. It jumps to 50%, and they like to appear in pairs. At that point, you probably have Degenerator without using up the Gesper card, so you can wipe them out in record time.
>>741684343Rare Item needs you to have Bahamut and you get Bahamut disc 3
Where my "I got Lionheart before leaving Balamb Garden" bros at?
>>741684831Probably still at Balamb Garden
>>741684493I'm aware. I was just pointing out how much time it saves if you DON'T try to break the game in half. You waste more time than you save by trying to get the Lionheart on Disc 1.
>>741685402I probably spent 4 or 5 hours killing fish and playing cards at the start of the game. I'm pretty sure that the time you would spend fighting random battles in a "normal" playthrough would take at least that long.
>>741686489Bullshit. You did not get that lucky with card rng, Even if you did, that's all it was. Luck,
>>741665747Fucking retarded stat maxedYou can play fine dealing less damage, there's no need to optimize a game that's easy as fuck
>>741688829Spamming draw is not optimizing. The optimized way is to refine spells from items and to refine items from cards and carding enemies so you get AP but not EXP
>>741665747you need a high magic stat for Draw to not suck but in order for you to have high magic you need to draw magic with low magic stat first.Not like you need a reason to use magic anyways. Nothing in the game resists physical attacks and using selphie or Squall who have 255% hit weapons means enemy evasion is moot.Draw 99 Demis from diabolos early on, junction them to attack and you auto win the first two disc with Attack command spam.
>>741689216You have faster access to Tornado than Demi and Tornado is way stronger.
>>741665747"Draw to 100" is a "Sort Lego"-tier Autism trap.I think people would have been more positive about the game if Draw was only for GFs in battles, but then i doubt people would actually have that Command on their characters and end up missing all the GFs.But yeah Tent>Curaga is OP as fuck and basic enough most people should discover it on their own while TT is more complicated. I do think you underrate the items though since basically everything drops at least M-Stones, and more and better tiers of them as shit levels up (Why the Level system isn't a bad thing, Higher levels=More/Better items to refine.).
>older FFs>pay with your time (grinding) for power>FF8>pay with your intelligence and attention to details for early power and will last you the whole game>goycattle got so confused they hated the game for itreally makes you think
